Can you admit that Miyazaki's creativity is bankrupt?

No, everyone is not wanting more of the same after six games in a row.

pretty sure that even soulfags are getting bored of that shit

fine, I'll bite
>Open-world Dark Souls
>good idea
I'm not even a soulsfag and this has to be the most retarded shit I've read in a while. What else do people want, MMO Dark Souls? Dark Souls racing? Dark Souls Wii Party?

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>"I only play games with gimmicks."
>"Games should always try to fix what isn't broke instead of constantly refining what already works."

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Everyone sticks with what they do best. Platinum makes the same game over and over again, nobody whines. Rockstar makes the same game over and over again, nobody whines. Ubisoft makes the same game over and over again... alright, people whine about that one. The point is almost everyone churns out the same shit over and over again but the whining about it is very selectively applied.

Nothing is creative unless they let you romance and fuck the main antagonist which is a male dragon. Not an anthropomorphized human, a quadrupedal story-tall minimum dragon.

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I think maybe the post below yours was more appropriate for you than for the post it was actually responding to.

All they do is making Demon Souls with different paint coats, literally play one and you have play them all.

It was like a shitty Souls game where the combat felt more like dancing and it had cinematic stealth kills and shit.

>Make a game but ignore making an actual narrative for it
>Sprinkle in boss fights to give player something to do
>Make item related to boss with small amount of bosses backstory in description
>Have fans come up with the rest
That's the extent of his "creativity" giving fans a tiny bit of kindling to stoke the fires of their own bullshit head canon without ever providing the community with actual answers.

I hope the slow and heavy movement is back, 3 felt too much like bloodborne
also make heavy armor worth a damn

>combat felt more like dancing
but that's what's good about it, sekiro is amazing

We want all of the above. Especially Dark Souls Racing.

OH NONONONONON
AND SOULFAGS WILL STIll PAY UP FOR YET ANOTHER REHASH OH NONONONONO

I think From just prefers the faster gameplay now. We're never getting a real successor to DaS1.

>Platinum makes the same game over and over again, nobody whines.
madworld, anarchy reigns, vanquish, tw101 and star fox zero are the same game?

soulsfags really are braindead

Souls works best as with a HUB-world rather than open world.
What a trite concept to put into the franchise.

Nobody cares about those games. The only platinum games that people love are the mindless button masher beat 'em ups and those are always the same fucking game when platinum makes them.

why do you even bother posting this shit, do you just enjoy being dishonest and bitter for no reason?

so rollspamming is back?

>i-it doesn't count
yep, braindead

You may whine all you like, but I have seen enough games get scorned because they weren't copies of their predecessors.
Why should a developer gamble their success of the whim of retards?

isnt dark souls open world already?

Witcher 3 was basically open world dark souls and despite it having boring combat and characters people are still sucking its dick

>Dark Souls
>not Bloodborne or Sekiro
It is a pity, into the trash it goes

Reminder CoD and Ass Creed have been seeing more variety between games every year than From games
"It's ok when Japan does it" is a saying for a reason

>Nioh 2
>Code Vein
>Elden Ring
>also gonna check out Surge 2 just for the fuck of it
Lads?
Boys.
Not gonna lie it feels good being a Soulsbab right now.

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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH

I just want a souls game like first half of Dark Souls 1

COD = shit franchise

Souls = amazing franchise

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Daily reminder that the souls fanbase is cancerous retards that have gotten just as bad as nintendofags

>black flag is the best pirate game out there period
>in sekiro you can use a hook shot and can make your own character, but also japan

ELDEN

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>everyone is wanting more of the same

Nobody liked any FromShit from the beginning.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
This but not exactly the same. I wouldn't want dark souls 4 but a new setting with a similar formula is fine by me.

>Mario
>every game the same as the last
Epic, truly based. I love Nintendo. Wahoo!
>Souls
>every game the same as the last
Miyazaki is a hack, fuck fromsoft.

Nobody gives a fuck about crap like MadWorld and Star Fox because they're shit. Barely anyone even played them for that reason. Platinum's bread and butter is to lazily churn out the same beat 'em up over and over and over again. That's the only game of theirs that people love and nobody even whines that they all play more or less exactly the same. They love that they are all the same shit, Just look at the Astral Chain shilling. Same tired Platinum beat 'em up formula but everyone is acting like this game is going to be absolutely amazing and not something we've already seen from this studio dozens of times now.

There is nothing wrong with Soulsborne combat lmao

I understand that gameplay should evolve, but why would you ever want it to be radically different? I don’t play stuff like, I don’t know, Titanfall and ask for the mechs to be removed next game

>Elden Ring gameplay is 'heavily based'
of course it is, this game is going to be a masterpiece

literally literally literally literally literally literally literally literally literally literally literally

Open world would fit perfectly in Dark Souls since both are overdone memes that stopped being engaging a decade ago

>FromSoft
>refinement
Pick one and only one.

The thing is, there are differences. It's just most people are as thick as pigshit and insist on forcing everything into categories.
Then they complain that everything is the same, instead of focusing on the differences

I care about those games.

And their action games are not only not mindless, but distinct from each other.

Hey, I love the games, it's nice not having my hand held all the time like most seem inclined to do these days, but it would be a lie if I said I wouldn't have killed for an actual narrative to drive me to progress through the games instead of just blindly going through the motions.

Let me find an entire book to read about Gwyn and his families godly escapades, gimme an NPC that can't shut up about the old blood, give me a fucking reason to climb that god damn castle and ring the fucking bell, don't just tell me to ring the bell like a good little dog and not ask questions.

I don’t know about masterpiece, but I haven’t had an outright horrible time with a Soulsborne yet, so it’s bound to be at least good

>nobody even whines that they all play more or less exactly the same
because they don't you mongoloid

that's the advantage of complex combat systems, there's enough difference between them to justify new games but what should I expect from soulsfags
>yaaassssss the sword goes cling cling when I press the button best action game everrrr :O

We're never get that kind of Ludo ever again, it's time to let go.

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if you're talking narrative delivery, sure, but the OP post is about gameplay so one would assume that you were talking about the game as a whole.

>it's the "what, you think FS games are the same? Well, that would mean that you like Nintendo" story again
why are all soulsfags such lame brainlets

There is like one good Souls(-like) game ever two years.
I'm fine if it stays like 3/4 the same.

You control two characters at once in Astral Chain, that's a far more meaningful difference in gameplay mechanics than anything FromSoft have done recently.

This is what the peasants consider refinement.

>Open world Dark Souls is exactly what people want
This is the most retarded thing I've read all year. Maybe people who don't like Dark Souls want Dark Souls to be open world?

Level design in the Dark Souls franchise is it's bread and butter. By opening it up, you're throwing that out the window. It would just become a slog like Elder Scrolls, TPP and Witcher were.

Differences that are derided by a fanbase, that calls each game worse than the previous?

Both are hacks

I play video games and you're lying

Sure, will that make you happy? No one's telling ZUN to make something that isn't Touhou. No one tells Netherrealm to stop making fighting games. You guys don't have an argument, at all.

It's literally the japanese COD

I was sick of Dark Souls after 3

Based and yeetpilled

And all three franchises have been criticized for it by their old fans.

Unironically dark souls has the best type of combat on the market

>I'm not even a soulsfag
>let me tell you what is and isn't good for the souls series

Most creators essentially make the same thing over and over and variate on that theme.

Yeah lol their series are a total failure >creatively bankrupt for giving people what they want
Based brainlet, every time people use "creatively bankrupt" it is guaranteed they will say some really dumb shit

>Dark Souls man does another shitty Dark Souls rehash
ZZzzzzzZZZZZZZzzz

>New FromSoft game is going to refine and expand on the Dark Souls formula and maximize RPG elements

Nice, should be a good game then

mario games are never the same as the last, at least they have not been for a long time.

But Souls are some of the only good games to come out in the past decade. Call of Duty, meanwhile, has never been good.

>Dark Souls 4 with 0 references and rahashed armor sets
I am okay with this. Das 3 was boring trash.
>remember that thing you liked? Here it is again lol

>Miyazaki will make another commercially and critically successful game while Yea Forums SEETHES
Based

There also hasn't been a good Mario game since SM64.

>if you've ever played Souls game and understand that it's value in the linear levels - you are soulfag
What a fucking retard you are, holy fucking shit

>Elden Ring

Sounds familiar

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Yes, game designers should try to do new things when making new games. Dark Souls 3 can be a rehash of 2 which is a rehash of 1 if it wants, and be all the shittier for it, I don't give a fuck. If they're going to make a new IP, make something actually new. This is like if Zelda, Star Fox, and Pikmin were all platformers because Mario was a platformer and it worked for that.

It's more of a metroidvania, really. I guess they're referring to a more sandbox, huge overworld type of design.

>Miyazaki: "We don't want to make Souls anymore"
>Also Miyazaki: keeps making only Souls games with different titles

It will get GOTY screen cap this

>I don't even really like the souls games
>here let me speak for the people who do really like them and tell you what they do and do not want in the next one

Here is your last you, autismo

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Souls combat doesn't work in an open world.
The entire fucking experience hinges on the fact that you are a lumbering knight trapped in a maze of small rooms, traps, and corridors. Why do you think "too many swamps" is a meme? Or why the Forbidden Woods is the worst level in Bloodborne?

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How many games were they making? 4? Sekiro, Deracine, Elden Ring and another one. I wonder what it is.

What's so hard to understand about
>We like making this style of game but the Dark Souls setting is done and we want our new games to be in different settings

But its the same setting. Fantasy, knights and magic.

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implying the money on the table wasnt fucking stacked

its game of thrones dark souls

the marketing is going to be insane

and its his job as president of bamco to perform well

this is a no brainer

>what is genre
Holy shit you cannot be this dumb

Just like how Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones are the same setting

>every Valve game is a FPS
>every Blizzard game is a RTS
>Netherrealm gets the rights to DC characters
>makes fighting games
>ArcSys gets the rights to DB characters
>makes a fighting game
>"Yeah, but FromSoft should be different."
No, they shouldn't.

How the fuck is it a souls game? It's more like a shitty action game instead

Exactly

its not at all

>this is what people actually believe

Yeah they are both action rpg games. Everything you said has been wrong. You can stop posting now.

I think you might be retarded. Miyazaki himself clarified what he meant by open world and made some statements about how the game will work. Disingenuously pretending the game is going to be Skyrim Souls minus the fast travel is dishonest and retarded of you. There will still be all of those good things that make the game fun, although the highly specific experience you describe is also retarded and not really how any of the souls games work beyond like one such level each.

Also the too many swamps meme is because poison swamps are always the exact same lazy challenge and when you first have to navigate one it's fun and novel and interesting but after 5 of the fucking things you get tired of walking at half speed while poisoned and from puts a mandatory one in every game. It has nothing at all to do with "open world bad"

I never got that criticism. How on earth does having ties to a previous game ruin a game? Seeing Anor Londo in ruins was pretty cool to me. Plus, I think it’s safe to say a majority of stuff in DaS3 was new.

Is there a game with dark souls difficulty but that isn't set in a gloomy depressing shithole? I want bright vivid colors and an alive world but also challenging combat.

Pretty sure it was just 3.

>shitty action game
so a souls game?

THIS IS WHAT I WANT.

Link? And when he says Dark Souls, does he mean Dark Souls 1 or just the series overall (in other words DS3)?

>tfw youre fine playing Elden Ring as long as George RR Fatfuck’s involvement is kept to an absolute minimum

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Not quite, Sekiro wasn't nearly as shitty of an action game as souls games are.

Is this game Dark Souls 4?

All I said was you cannot be that dumb, and now you're saying I'm wrong
You're not helping yourself

George role was to expand on the worlds lore. He is not a writer or a designer.

>no argument
Looks like I win again. As usual.

>Shitty shoehorn stealth mechanics
>Spamming L1 the whole game, game based around everything being QTE
>Prestetics tools and every other skill are worth jack shit when you can just spam double Ijimonji
>Reused bosses out the ass
Yeah, the game is pieces of shit. Glad they are going back to souls

you idiots kept begging for darksouls 4 so he gave it to you

and shitty no stat builds, 1 weapon, no character customization, boring ching chong setting

I have never seen anyone beg for DaS4. Instead everyone keeps telling From to make something new.

I don't give a shit, I like Souls gameplay and I loved Sekiro so I'm fine with this.

>Valve
>single-player narrative driven shooter
>team-based multiplayer arena shooter
>co-op survival shooter
>puzzle game in first person perspective
You really think this is the same as Demon's Souls 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and now 7? Blizzard made fucking Diablo, an MMO, a card game, and mobas as well. You know From Software existed before they started churning out Souls clones, right? They used to make lots of different games.

Coming from somebody who doesn't even like the Souls formula:

If they have a gameplay model/formula that works for them that people enjoy and is generally accepted to be well made, why change it? Why fix what isn't broken?

is ds1 not already open-world? that term doesnt automatically mean ubisoft

you have to parry some enemies and dodge spam others
and your character is actually graceful for once
other than that it's a souls game

Nothing in Straight Swords 3 was actually new. It's a game full of clearly repurposed Bloodborne assets tied together with the twine of Dark Souls 1 nostalgia. It was focused more on spectacle and "I remember that!!" than realistic level design and mechanical depth. Ideas are recycled yet again with a new coat of Bloodborne colored paint to try and make you not notice.

Look even at the difference between how the Irithyll vista is presented at first glance inexplicably out of the catacombs and how when you actually walk into the city it's closer to a dual hallway to the boss fog full of references than a real level designed like an actual city.

yes, it is

how long until you retards realize it isn't an RPG?

Every souls game is fundamentally broken in several ways. The next souls game in the line always fixes some things and completely shatters others.
There is not a single souls game you can look at and say "This formula as it is implemented here works and doesn't need to be changed".

I bet it's based in the same engine too that fucking hack

They should keep the core gameplay the same. Having it be based on Souls is a good thing. But personally I think they should experiment more and try more unconventional routes

I'm just pissed they have the balls to call any of their games something other than "Dark Souls: Subtitle"

I don't know, Fromsoft is a bunch of downgrading bullshotting assfucking faggots

I hope it's closer to a middle ground between souls and sekiro.
I want a game with the character customization and playstyle variety of souls but with the combat depth and pace of sekiro

the term is broad, but DaS is definitely not open world. it's split into several zones that function as their own levels and connect with each other via smart shortcuts
Miyazaki said that he might be using he term wrong and that the game has plenty of dense, tightly designed areas
we just don't know yet, we'll have to wait for the first gameplay

>There is not a single souls game you can look at and say "This formula as it is implemented here works and doesn't need to be changed".

The formula has worked since Demon’s Souls, all that it needs is refinement and expansion. Considering that Miyazaki spends more time making these games instead of rushing them out now that he’s president of FroSoft, this should be promising evolution

Why man, why...

>level up your health, attack power, buy skills using literal fucking experience points, use what is essentially the dumbest reimagining of an MP meter to perform skills and cast spells, purchase weapon upgrades, use stat buffing consumables, and farm for drops off enemies
>it's totally different though because you can't spec specifically into dragontinge

Keep coping dark souls baby, sekiro combat system is 2000 times more engaging than your shitty roll attack roll attack roll attack system

We don't criticize Japanese devs for bad business practices here

Why would they change something that people like?

I don't want people to be creative. "Creativity" is why I don't like any of my favourite franchises anymore. I want quality of life and visual improvements, but not significant gameplay changes.

Young Andre of Astora is in the trailer, lmao.

>actually thinking this qualifies it as an RPG
jesus fuck. metal gear rising also had upgrades, is that an RPG too? hell, even call if duty zombie mode has upgrades, that doesn't make it an RPG

not him, but how can't you see that making it open world will have the level design suffer? They've even described it as "combat on open fields", that shit will not be close to the dungeondelving of dark souls. Making it open world will also most likely water down the experience since they'll have to spread it out more.

You'll like Nintendo products, they've been doing this exact thing for like 30 years now

My point is that it's no less of an RPG than Dark Souls.

pls stop posting any time

>everyone is wanting more of the same

Not really, im getting tired of the formula at this point. Bloodborne was a nice tiwst but i really can't be fucked to play Dark Souls 3 at this point. I even bought it but i dropped it almost immediately.

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I want it on a SCI-FI setting, be it armored core or some new IP.

but it is

name 1(one) japanese dev that can do multiple type of games

From will make an awesome game, we just had god-tier Sekiro, so I can't imagine them doing a bad game this soon.

Capcom

>FROM can't used the same gameplay style
>Zelda can reuse the same map

▲

reviews and sales of all other souls games indicate that's what people want. For me personally it is too. Why the fuck do I want to play a different game/genre from a studio that every few years makes this one type of game style that I love? I'll play games from different studios in the meantime between Souls games if I want something different. Just like Zelda games.

>you cannot be this dumb
>"everything you said is wrong"
KEK

They just bollock'd DS2 because of the consoles and incompetency. No biggie, happens to the best of them.

At least they're still making GOTYs.

If BotW2 uses the same map I'm going to be very disappointed about it. But Nintendo also makes lots of other games that play nothing like Zelda, so that's a false equivalence.

the setting and mystery is more engaging in the other titles, than boring chinky dinky egg roll shit

nintendo

Sekiro and Dark Souls 3 both suck because FROM thinks people like Souls games for their passable combat, and they discarded all of the actual strengths of the series to focus on that. I am still waiting for a return to Dark Souls 1's interconnected level design, and if that is what they mean by "open world" for Elden Ring, then I will eagerly accept it.

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Nobody cares what you think, faggot. This ain't your blog.

>no biggie
jesus christ fuck off you cuck. downgrades are always inexcusable

hey armored corefags
*dabs*

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I'm not saying it's a good thing and it was their fault, yes. However it's really not that big of a deal compared to their amazing games.

but sekiro doesn't have souls combat in the slightest, what are you talking about?

Fuck off you slimy pscuck faggot, everyone loves their games and they all sell many times more than your flop 3 million copy bloodborne.
Sekiro on PC alone sold more than that in a month.

ACfag here
Third FROM game in the development is AC6
You'll see
You'll fucking see

>MMO Dark Souls
Absolutely.

>dark souls II
>amazing game
and I would agree that bullshotting on the level of Bloodborne isn't a huge deal, but Dark Souls 2 was genuinely the worst downgrade in history.

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His bank account sure isn’t

I'd say it's quite the contrary, it's a big deal because they're so competent otherwise. it's an ugly stain because DaS 2 could've been amazing

SEKIRO IS NOT A SOULS GAME. IT'S TENCHU, AND IT WAS DESIGNED AS A TENCHU GAME. FUCK OFF YOU UNCULTURED SWINES

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>One CG trailer
>A few comments
>Not an ounce of gameplay
>157 replies

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DSII is THE dark souls game. Better than any other.

you've never played tenchu

>Build variety, fashion
>Different playstyles
>Replayability
>Multiplayer to Co-op with bros or gang on some fools
I'll take improve dark souls formula with Elden Ring then some barebone shitty L1 spam chinkiro

doesn't play like Tenchu though
it has Soulslike combat mechanics
it -WAS- Tenchu at the beginning of the development
but it was changed too much they just discarded the "Tenchu" label

I played DeS DaS and Bloodborne

Should I even bother with Dark Souls 2 and 3 after Bloodborne?

So we saw Shadow Dies Twice teasers at GameAwards and then six month later we saw the game at E3

When are we going to see Elden Ring gameplay? TGS? Paris Game SHow? December?

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It's an ugly and clunky jankmess. But it's a great game.

why not just play both? I don't get why we have to compare two different genres

Originality is a meme. One look at the box office, at video game sales, books, etc will show you that people don't value originality. There are people who think originality should be valued on principle, but they have nothing to back that idea up, it's just something they think SHOULD happen so they act as if it is what happens.

I like From because they make a certain kind of game. I don't like them because they make games different than what they do. That's the reason I like them. Why would I want a company to say "Remember that game you really like? I'm gonna make one completely different." What kind of retard logic is that?

The deification of originality is the same as that of the "change for the sake of change". Shown time and time again that people don't like change, they have a routine for a reason, they order from the same food places, go to see the same genre of movies, and shop at the same store for a reason, but a bunch of retards think it has intrinsic value because they've been taught to and can't assess information, and so they push it.

nobody cares cuck

Apparently it's been in development as long as Sekiro so we might see gameplay at Gamescom.

DS2 is the best game in the series, don't listen to /v bullshit.

>worst combat
>worst level and world design
>worst art direction
>worst bosses
>worst lore
>looks and feels like a generic MMO
The only thing it has going for it is a massive amount of content, although that content is mostly bad. It's probably still better than DaS3 though, because it's at least somewhat original and nonlinear.

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But GamesCom is shit now.

He just wrote the in-game mythos.

lol u mad

>peepee poopoo greentext makes me right

Hey pal I'm not the one who cant understand genre
I'm also not the only one responding to your bitching. You're trying to act like you're arguing with one guy here so you can ignore the 5 people telling you why you're retarded
But, just for fun, let's look at some games who are now in the same setting by your standards
>Witcher 3
>God of War 4
>Dragon Age Inquisition
>Skyrim
And some others
>Call of duty
>Halo
>Titanfall
And some more
>Older CoDs
>Medal of Honor
>Battlefield
>Spec Ops: The Line
So I reiterate: you really CAN be that dumb

>worst combat
But that user didn't mention DS1 and DeS.

>worst bosses
DeS is worse in that regard too.

>art direction
>lore
lmao inceloid

>looks and feels like a generic MMO
Are you demented?

>muh originality
>muh nonlinear world
>muh different games
All of you are massive faggots with no friends. Holy fuck it's a game.
You're the biggest dumb fuck in this thread btw.

Lmao and you wonder why all miyazaki games are all the same, because you faggots will rather eat the same shit for the 56th time than appreciating new ideas

sekiro was fucking awesome

This, desu.

"Originality" is a misguided concept to a vast majority of people who fancy themselves as critics of media entertainment, and Yea Forums is no exception.

souls basically already was "open world", though bloodborne/dark souls 3 drifted away from that a little bit.

>he plays videogames for the """story"""

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So what? I've been waiting for Dark Souls 4 for a while and the huge majority of Dark Souls players too. I don't give a fuck about "creativity", i want to sink hundreds of hours in a new game that offers the same formula.

>souls basically already was "open world"
No it wasn't, you dense nigger. The world design is linear, with a certain degree of interconnectivity, and levels that are supplemented with shortcuts and good level layouts. And of course, the degree of interconnectivity in terms of the overall world and individual levels varies from game to game. None of them are truly open world.

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yes, they're not as good as DaS/bloodborne but if you liked the originals you'll probably enjoy 2 and 3.

your definition of open world is extremely loose

>Miyazaki's creativity lies in his ability to have others create stories where they otherwise would be unable to
Sounds like a great guy. Fuck you, user. You're posting here on fucking Yea Forums so obviously you aren't very creative either.

you had multiple options/paths to take initially and the world was interconnected. most people described it as open world on release. what is your definition of open world? wandering in random directions in a big empty space like elder scrolls? GTFO underage queerboy, you're embarrassing yourself.

DaS2 combat is identical to 1 except you have worse hitboxes, ADP, fucking eight-way locked directional movement, shitty mocap animations, and you cannot freely combo R1s into R2s like DaS1. The only thing it has over 1 is rolling in more than 8 directions (but they switched that lock to the movement which is far worse) and meme dual wielding.
>completely handwaving the awful art direction with no argument
fuck off, deluded fags who started with 2 are the worst. It has some genuine strengths, especially over DaS3, but you are too deluded to admit it's many faults.

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>gaming studio is good at ego shooters
>lol make a point and click, what are you, creatively bankrupt?

He probably isnt but he has to own that gameplay now there is demand for it.

>The world design is linear
The path of my fist into your face will also be linear.

i started with 1 which i prefer over 2, but 2 was exponentially better than 3, as 3 was a bland piece of worthless garbage.

yes, we do.

There are other game companies besides Fromsoft. Try one of those.

> creativity means switching genre every time

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if souls is open world, what kinda world design does BotW and RDR2 have?

THE

Honestly don't care. I could keep playing souls games forever.

And you're just one of the many parrots dicksucking DS1 to fit in. All of you showed your true colors when Remastered released and everybody started brutally shitting on it and complaining just how fucking awful it plays DESPITE having the identical untouched gameplay mechanics and even hitboxes/glitches. SotFS PvP is still to this day being played more.

>art direction
Yeah it's shit for today's standard. It's also not a major factor if you're not a zoomer.

>entire gen with no Armored Core
this is what I get for wishing From Software was more popular.

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why would you try to fix something that's not broken?

Is red dead redemption a GPA game too?

Good. Giant robots are for manchildren.

t-third unannounced game a-user!

Dark Souls 1 advertised itself as “open world”.

Miyazaki even said (re Elden Ring) ”I be using the term wrong”. I highly doubt we’re getting Souls gameplay pasted onto a Skyrim or Far Cry style map, because that obviously wouldn’t work.

Ideally it’s going to be like Firelink>Burg>Parish>Darkroot>Valley>New Londo level connectedness but on a much larger scale. Imagine a game as horizontally wide as Far Cry, but made up entirely of interconnected Dark Souls level’s of restricted pathways. That’s probably too optimistic though.

It would also be a nightmare to navigate. Imagine Yharnam as a big as a real city.

Who are you kidding OP, you'll love it just like all the other Souls games, even DS2.

It's more an action game than RPG, this is why the term ARPG is sort of a misnomer since most of the time the focus is mostly the action rather than RPG elements, just as would an FPS would have RPG elements (Compare Witcher and Dark Messiah to Underrail and Neverwinter Nights).

I agree. At least 2 isn't a linear hallway that does nothing but suck off Dark Souls 1 while being made of reject BB assets.
I started with DaS1 in 2011 when it came out you faggot. I brutally shit on the remaster solely because it butchered the lighting and it's anti-consumer as fuck to release this overpriced turd and REMOVE the original. DaS1 isn't even my favorite, Bloodborne is overall, although 1 is close.
>art direction doesn't matter
OK fag, obviously gameplay>graphics but art direction is hugely important for a series with such an emphasis on atmosphere as Souls, something 2 totally butchered. For the record I think 3 has better art direction than 2 but is still a worse game.

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remember what happened to telltale?

Yes, their games sucked. So the studio died.

I just think Fromsoft if just trying to market theur own brand of action games. That said, they could try at least a little more to differentiate their games like platinum does with their action games where none of them are straight up copies of DMC and Bayonetta

even their core audience grew tired of the same shit every time and stopped buying shit

if FROM was shitting out 20 half baked Soulslike games every year and grabbing licensing rights to random big franchises you'd have a point.

Bloated hiring process?
They were letting anyone with a pulse in.

>Elden rings are a thing
>Created by someone
>Nearly killed them
>They were shattered
>The shattering is negatively impacting the world
That's it?
Literally tells us nothing.
All we saw were a few characters and vague areas that barely told us the aesthetic of the game.
Fuck off miyazaki

How could we admit a lie? Miyazaki is one of the most creative video game designers in history

Yeah I dont see From buying random licenses to make Arkaham Souls, Guardians of the Galaxyborne etc

shit

Learn to read homo. They aren't throwing away Miyazaki level design. If only you knew how to read you would know this.

>butchered the lighting
Choke on a dick stupid narrative changing cuck, the vast VAST majority of complaints were about the gameplay and PvP. Because once again you're all brainless parrots.

>REMOVE the original
PS3/360 versions are also dead because the game simply plays like trash and 99% of people who are endlessly dicksucking it are Matthewmatosis' cuckolds who are only capable of talking about "atmosphere" and lore.

It’s a metroidvania where the gates aren’t blocked by the need for keys (or the right kind of missiles, or being able to turn into a ball...). The gates are tests of skill, by and large. That’s what makes the sense of progression so satisfying

I already had enough of Souls trash after 10 minutes of Souls 1. That shit is generic as fuck, only brainlet casual bugmen hype this shit

It's supply and demand, OP

>mmo dark souls
this but unironically

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It has nothing to do with game of thrones you retard

L1 spam is not viable in Sekiro

>"game of thrones dark souls"
What the fuck are you talking about.

Brainlet. DS2 kiddies are legit low IQ

Nice argument you fucking troglodyte.

Maybe zoomer posers complained about the gameplay (which would make no sense because it's THE SAME) but I didn't and you are putting words in my mouth. I do think the added number of phantoms is shit too because DaS1 is already trivialized with even 1 phantom, being able to have 3 is ludicrous.

You completely ignored my statement of objective facts regarding the weaknesses of 2's gameplay, handwaved the obviously inferior art direction, and now all you can do is project and put words in my mouth. Embarrassing.

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>hey why didn't he just show the whole game in the trailer?

>Blizzard made fucking Diablo, an MMO, a card game, and mobas as well.
I'm aware they've made terrible games, yes.
>You know From Software existed before they started churning out Souls clones, right?
I'm aware they've made terrible games, yes.

Also, Sekiro is different from Souls in the same way many of those games are different from other games their developer made. Sekiro is not an RPG and it doesn't have online multiplayer support, but it does have stealth mechanics. That is the same thing as pointing out the differences between an RTS and a MOBA, or Half-Life and Left 4 Dead. It took Blizzard 25 years to make a game that a top-down point-and-click game and wasn't one of two settings they ripped off.

What's new with Blizzard? All anyone cares about is when there'll be a new Diablo, complaining about Overwatch's slow death and WoW Classic. Not a single person is asking Blizzard for a new IP.

>low IQ is not an argument but inceloid is

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better have pvp, sekiro was great but its my least played from title. Basically nothing to do after your first 2 runs.

Dark Souls is apex of gaming experience, denying that is just being a 4chanfag, who hates all popular.
This is, indeed, a good news. There is literally no reason to make 3rd person combat gameplay and not making it darksouls-like. Only other option you have is to make it Batman-like, or make a bad game. we are yet to see another good example of any other game with good 3rd person combat gameplay. Shooters dont count because of obvious reasons.

Another dodge roll stabby stab game. No thanks

Reminder that Dark Souls 2, 3 and Sekiro are mediocre at best.
Elden Ring won't be any better as From seems incapable of moving one step forward without moving two steps back. Having that hack on board doesn't help either.

I'm not worried about the open world part as Dark Souls is already close to open world with its nonlinearity.

Sekiro and DaS3 proved he was a hack as well. He just got lucky with DeS and somehow replicated the magic twice with DaS and BB.

Souls is a genre defining series, it's insanely good so no, you're a retard from any perspective.

We knew he was by DS3
But Soulsfags are just like Nintendies or snoys and refuse to see the faults and decline of their favorite devs

>keeps doing the same thing that sells and the same thing people want
you don't say. but considering it isn't a numbered dark souls title, maybe it will actually be good lol.

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The filthiest of niggeredditors.

why would you change a recipe that works?

is there a single A-rpg with better gameplay than the souls?

this but unironically

maybe you don't, dunno why you're trying to force your shitty opinion on other people
do you also screech at the pokemon games using the same turn based system or JRPGs in general too?

go play forza or something, idk

>it's insanely good so no
boy i sure did love playing the same game 4 times

I can admit I like the thing you are calling cretive bankruptcy

>5 games
>admits 3 are good
>lol he is a hack
Literal retardation but thats Yea Forums for you.

/thread, but Yea Forums's contrarian nature will never accept such a thing

>its okay when Nintendo does it

But both Sekiro and DS3 were GOTYs?

Oh how the mighty have fallen

Nintendo is also a lot of development studios while FS is a single studio so that's a false equivalence

>genre that prints money because it became a meme
>not continuing to pump out more of it
do you even business? i'm just grateful they aren't selling loot boxes for the goddamn games.

But Dark Souls has loot boxes?

if isn´t broken, why fix it?

Yeah I was watching some making-of of Sekiro the dev team said how uncomfortable they were going so far outside their comfort zone with that game lmao, if Sekiro is considered a radical departure from Souls in their mind then we'll never see another AC game again because that'd be like reinventing the wheel for them now.

That's incredibly disappointing. Definitely gonna be a negative for me. Dark Souls combat, particularly the one in 3, is just dumbed down garbage. I sure can't wait to roll forever and mash attack, then roll forever and mash attack again. Yeah I'm trivializing it and you can do that for just about any game, but it's really noticeable in Dark Souls 3 than in any other one. Even Bloodborne isn't like that, and that game WANTS you to go unga bunga and be on the offensive at all times if possible.

I'm just so fucking bored with the Dark Souls formula. The people that demand more copy/paste Dark Souls are more often than not PvP autists that refuse to play any other multiplayer games, because they wanna do meme videos for youtube or some shit, I dunno.

if it ain't broke don't fix it. If you want something else than soulshit then stop buying it.

They've never been mightier.

Miyazaki proved himself creatively bankrupt when Dark Souls came out after Demon's Souls. I don't know why people are so surprised by this. He cand o one thing very well and they keep repeating it over and over and over and over again and it's comfort food for many.

You are not clever with your shitty "le aint broke" comments. Shut the fuck up.

Soulsborne is reddit incarnate though
"le praise le sun le funny"

I don't get it. People like Souls games, regardless of what you fucks thing. Why would a Dev who started the souls franchise make a new game that didn't use the same or similar design structure?

Why create a brand new, completely different game? That just doesn't make any fucking sense.

I reckon if it ain't broken don't try to fix it.

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>Ludo
Yeah, Dark Souls definitely was all into ludo-narrative dissonance.

This. Both were fantastic games.

OH BOY ANOTHER DARK SOULS FOR YOU FUCKING NERDS ENJOY

Every shitty meme started here and spread to reddit. Dont pretend this shithole isnt cancerous and its always somebody elses fault.

Mmmm yes. The Contrarian circle jerking is real.

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>strawman

Are they referring to Dark Souls in general or DaS1 in particular? Because either answer could have completely different implications

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>another souls clone

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>roll attack roll attack roll attack
instead it's attack attack attack parry attack attack attack parry

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Why are westacucks so threatened by this game?

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Capcom

>meanwhile DS3 online still more active than all other Soulsborne games combined

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FromSoftware

I haven't even played Sekiro but that actually sounds fun? Half my deaths in Dark Souls games are due to poor positioning and poor stamina management.

From games are actually games though

>I was shit at it so I hate it
Get gud

whats he supposed to do? a puzzle game?

I sat in amazement for a few minutes just reveling in how dumb you are. I hope you read this and reconsider what you're talking about beyond a superficial examination of the game's mechanics, but let's be honest, you probably won't.
Pro tip: Every level in Souls is a dungeon, whether or not it's a city or a crystal cave is irrelevant.

>the newest game has the most active online
wow

I really like the Dark Souls games and have played and will continue to play them heavily. Meanwhile I haven't finished Bloodborne or Sekiro. They aren't bad I just can't hold interest in them. There's just something about the Dark Souls games that I really really like and if this plays like Dark Souls then I'm all over this shit. I welcome more DaS like games from Miyazaki as long as they scratch that same itch, aren't released yearly and play well.

cope

Didnt they just make a VR puzzle game?

>still waiting for cyborg PC on a quest for his human AI on post apocalyptic Earth in a devastated advanced city
>fighting through alien robots using futuristic weapons based on medieval and modern fusion weapons with psychic abilities as a magic system

It's not really a puzzle game, it's an adventure game.

Why was it so fucking good then? Checkmate.

>DeS is worse in that regard too
it had some neat bosses like tower knight and blind hero. the rest is pretty meh

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>NOOOO I DON'T LIKE IT, FROMSOFT SHOULD STOP PANDERING TO ITS FAN AND PANDER TO ME INSTEAAAADDD
you're not very clever yourself, aren't you boy

Dark Souls 1 is open world.
Checkmate.

all the souls' are open world since you can go back and forth freely between the zones

Basically this, more souls pls. Sekiro was fucking neat.

What about demon souls

you're forced to get to the zones by a hub, so I'm not sure I'd qualify it as an open world
more like, a game with 4 open zones in it, but not an open world game

I played DS back in the day, felt ok but neer understood the hype. Yet I had a lot of fun with Sekiro, since it didnt felt like a Soulsborne.

What's wrong with this? Dark Souls combat is amazing. Show's that Sekiro was one big mistake.

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Seething tranny

KYS

This is great news

Thank god. I always clock in 1k+ hours on every souls game.
Now let's hope the character creation is like dark souls because shitborne only allowed you to make malnourished skeleton characters WE NEED FAT CHARACTERS!!!!

dark souls
but with women sloppily shitting in front of mongolians

Sekiro is still better than every other action adventure game out there.

souls formula is literally one of the best designed game formulas of all time. only team ninja and maybe capcom have beaten it.

anyone who claims otherwise is a casual and probably like w*tcher 3

you've never played Tenchu

Yes. Fortunately, everything is so vaguely connected story-wise that it almost never fucking matters. Story in Souls games kind of takes a back seat to the gameplay.

I'm more interested in seeing how the game plays though. Wonder how long till we see gameplay.

why not? they're still good games just not 11/10 like the rest of the series

You'd have to be braindead if you can't see how Sekiro is heavily influenced by Soulsborne

>Story in Souls games kind of takes a back seat to the gameplay.
good? story should always take a back seat to gameplay unless it's a VN. even RPGs should put more effort into ROLE PLAYING elements rather than story

Pretty sure most people that like soulsborne would LOVE to have BB2 and DS4. Quit pretending your opinion is of the masses

its amazing how easy some people can milk the DS cow

it is, it still has massive navigational, level design and combat differences, it's also an amazing game. anyone who claims it doesn't have similarities to souls is wrong, but at the same time anyone who says it's just a souls game is also wrong

it has only just begun, casual kun, FromSoft has brought the fat writer from GoT on board for free advertisement. prepare for the next 15+ years of gitting gud :)

As someone who loves DaS1, 3, and BB, I absolutely do not want DaS to continue. With 3 is was very apparent that they wanted to move on with the series, and as a fan, I respect that.

Also, if we got a DaS4, it would just be even more recycing of content and re-mixing an exhausted plot anyhow. Give us something new.

I don't even know about a BB sequel either out of fear of it not holding up as strongly as the first. I do want one, because I'd like to see Chalices get expanded on, but also don't, because the first was an excellent game.

Lets not forget we are fresh out from sekiro

have estus

>Sekiro proved he was creatively bankrupt.

You mean Dark Souls 2, everything after the first one is shit.

>free advertisement
>free
are you retarded?

it's not literal, but yea whatever they pay him they'll make tenfold back. it's Yea Forums though so I'll forgive your ineptitude

>say dumb shit
>"hey I was retarded on purpose"
good for you

after everyone witnessed how shitty GoT really is?

>it would just be even more recycing of content and re-mixing an exhausted plot anyhow
proof?

I absolutely want them to make a new Armored Core or maybe a new Ninja Blade game but the Souls formula still has potential.

I mean, don't fix what ain't broke? Dark Souls is clearly a winning formular. Just continue to refine the experience.

only half the series is book material

it's not pretending to be retarded at all, you dumb monkey, it's basic english language. go fuck yourself
after everyone is flocking to the books for the ''real'' ending because D&D fucked it up?

also don't kid yourself normies loved that shit

Is that Jiu? Wtf where is this from

>basic english language is saying dumb shit that's just plain wrong
ok retard

>pretend to not know what a figure of speech is just so you can win a dumb argument
it's free advertisement and there is nothing you can do about it autist.

have sex

>tv series based on the book is one of the best television series ever made
>run out of book material because author is a lazy fat fuck
>television series has massive downgrade because now tv writers need to make shit up

Still doesn't change how great the early seasons were.

You don't change much about a formula so big it basically created its own genre and has several other devs copy and pasting it almost entirely, chucklehead.

Based

>I swear it's just a figure of speech, I'm not actually retarded
ok retard

u mad autist?

>From rehashes King's Field for years and makes a similar spinoff named Shadow Tower
BASED!
>From rehashes Armored Core for years
BASED!!!
>From rehashes Souls for years
NOT BASED WHAT THE FUCK

the idiots also rushed the last season when HBO was prepared to go for 2 more

>paying a professional writer is free advertisement
>"no it isn't"
>it's a figure of speech
>"no it isn't"
>u-u mad
what did the retarded user mean by this?

Lordran Royale, basically battle royale with a twist. Everyone starts with a set amount of souls, which decreases over time. once it reaches 0, you become hollow and lose. If you kill someone, you get all their souls. Killing other players is the only way to get more souls, discouraging camping.

have sex m8

What's wrong with this? If you don't like the formula then you won't get cheated since you know what you would be getting into. And if you like it then great, more game that's similar but improved, probably. Dark Souls is still a fresh and interesting format. Compare with all the sports games, open-world ubisoft games, or even the million generic jrpgs that are churned out in factories.

>still riding off demon's souls 10 years later
Where's the sci-fi game you hack

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already raped your whore mum to death, too late for that

>I always clock in 1k+ hours on every souls game

Have sex

Halloween last year

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kek edgy incel

>paying a professional writer is free
what did incel user mean by this?

Yea Forums is retard as fuck

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proof they pay him?

they made 2 armored cores in the last decade and nobody played them. also ''journalists'' hated the difficulty instead of sucking it off it like in souls

>he doesn't know what capitalism is
go out into the real world, get a job and have sex

Soulsniggers are a bunch of secondary cuckolds larping as hipster thinking their worthless uninformed opinions are relevant.

What an awful thread. y'all just hate people so you hate whatever you think people like
Don't give up on people anons it's a lonely life

he get fatter without releasing new books

proof they pay him?

also they pay him to write, not advertise, so the advertisement is indeed free.

check and mate incel

>and nobody played them
ACV is one of the best selling AC games though. ACVD is still alive in Japan.

AC was never this gigantic franchise. FROM made them because they liked making them.
And all signs point that they're making another one.

kek. would be funny if he was too busy making video games to ever finish the books. fuck GoT's circle jerk fanbase too

>source: my ass

if he doesn't advertise, how is he free advertisement? if it's free, why is he paid?
check and mate incel

but literally every from game has the same core gameplay but with a gimmick attached to it for flavor.

just look at Sekiro's gimmick of stealth and QTE assassinations

fuming retard

based Insomniabro

>also don't kid yourself normies loved that shit

S8 has shit ratings on imdb and rottentomatoes

Yea Forumsermin counterculture given a face, really

>paying people doesn't cost money
have sex, incel retard

Vampyr is something like that

proofs?

>asks himself for proofs
I was quoting you, incel retard

prove it

Yeah but the question is whether they can deliver. Instead of iterating on the formula, they've been rehashing it. For example, none of the similar games have done level design/progression like Dark Souls, nor like Demon's Souls for that matter, it's always this mishmash that is different from the others.

Not that guy buy Sekiro sold 2 million copies in ten days pcgamesn.com/sekiro-shadows-die-twice/sekiro-steam-sales breaking FROM's records.
For comparison Bloodborne needed well over 2 years to get 2.9 million units sold and that's with PS4 bundles which is really pathetic when you compare it to other 1st party Sony PS4 exclusives.

Now, after only three or so months after the release of Sekiro we get these numbers for Steam:
>steamspy.com/app/814380
>Owners: 1,000,000 .. 2,000,000
I know that Steamspy is unreliable but it's unreliable in a way that owners are usually even higher than what is displayed there since Steamspy no longer can track private profiles and units sold at rapid sales.

So yeah. BB can't even compare to DS3 on PC let alone Sekiro on PC. Truth hurts but you must live with it.

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here >brought the fat writer from GoT on board for free advertisement
>free
it isn't free, you need money to pay your writers, this isn't charity

I loved Sekiro.

Great game, great game.

>hundreds of fps games
>94 jrpgs (not including minor/indie titles)

>6 soulsborne games, 7 including eldin ring

Waaaaaah its too many

I don't think we should be counting Sekiro as a Souls game. It's simply in another genre.

>real dark souls fans are getting bored of this?
Sorry, who? “Real” fans haven’t gotten a decent Souls game since Dark Souls, everything else has let us down. If he really can give us a revamped take on the slow, interconnected, lore-filled formula I’m absolutely going to be there to play it

Loreniggers aren't real Souls fans. They're westacuck e-celeb cocksuckers.

It’s not a Souls game but it’s absolutely in the same family as Souls and Bloodborne

proof?

No, he just realized Sekiro was SHIT and is going back to the good shit.

yes

literally all FromSoft games are 9/10, yes, even the ones that pissy '''journalists''' gave 5/10 because it was too hard for them.

Whatever they make it will be good.

post the proofs

yup

Uhh I'm not so sure senpai. Sengoku Basara and Dragon's Dogma have very similar mechanics, inputs and gameplay pulls as Devil May Cry 3/4/5 yet I would never dare to bundle them together in the same "family". They're simply different genres despite having some similarity to how the core combat mechanics are approached due to developers behind them being the same.

I like Soulsbabs and all that but some of you really ought to branch out into the different genres and franchises so we don't have these discussions muddied up like this.

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Deracine was interesting. Not necessarily good, just interesting and somewhat creative.

I’m not tired of the formula, I’m tired of every game after DS1 being shit.

I still want that Aztec Dark Souls it was rumored a while ago.

That was no rumor, it was mesoamericafags being annoying and some retards believing them