>The statute is not off to a good start — the supposed “children only” bill has a much wider sweep than intended and, if passed, would apply to all video game content. But that’s not all. The statute’s definitions of loot boxes and pay-to-win are incredibly overbroad. The statute defines a pay-to-win transaction as one that “eases a user’s progression through content,” “assists a user in accomplishing an achievement” or receiving an award, “permits a user to continue to access content of the game that … has been made inaccessible after the expiration of a timer or a number of gameplay attempts,” or that “provides a user with a competitive advantage with respect to … users who do not make a transaction.” The problem is that each and every one of those factors is vastly over inclusive. Consider a normal arcade cabinet or pinball machine. Those games — which have been around since the 1970s, and since the 1930s in the case of coin-operated pinball — end after a certain number of gameplay attempts but allow users to pay additional money to keep playing.
Well this just sounds fantastic. Not only targets lootboxes but direct p2w dogshit as well.
Jaxson Hall
What is the problem here?
Ian Kelly
Do you like arcade machines? Well they are illegal now
Ryan Hughes
They're really running out of arguments now, huh? Fucking arcade machines? They haven't been relevant in decades, and making them 18+ would be a good fucking move.
Matthew Jackson
>Arcade Machines will be banned Unlikely as they fall under a different ground in a lot of cases and most of the time the profits made on them these days do fuck all in actually funding developers/pubs.
Fuck arcades, fuck lootboxes and fuck pinballs. Also, fuck gacha.
Thomas Stewart
Literally going >hey, fellow gamers, i hate lootboxex too, BUT.... Can that shill be more stereotypical?
Eli Long
>the supposed “children only” bill has a much wider sweep than intended and, if passed, would apply to all video game content
And thats a good thing
Xavier Smith
Arcades are already dead in america so might as well put the nail in the coffin. This wouldn't be happening if anyone thought that the industry would self-regulate, anyways.
The best law would be to just include video games, gacha, and lootboxes as gambling and tax the gacha accordingly, but with all the support it sounds like another industry is trying to shut the case on this once and for all. Probably the casino industry? They're probably sick of having the competition.
James Scott
Modern arcades don't have shitty pay-per-life models anymore. You just pay once at the door.
William Sanchez
corporations turned our hobby into a soulless shitfest, might as well fuck up their profits in return. video games really can't get any worse than they already are so I don't see any ramifications of this legislation for consumers
>escapist Oh you mean the magazine that advocates for cuck porn being included in games? Yeah nah shill
Noah Roberts
I did, doesn't change what I said
Parker Long
1. Why do amerilards make it so hard to find your legislation 2. Why does it look like it was written on a fucking type writer.
Line 22 of the bill specifically excludes payment for access to the service. This would cover arcade and pinball machines. Not to mention there's always an intention of the legislature argument, I'd wager this has no Hansard yet but from the text of the bill it's blatantly obvious the legislature has no intention of this applying to arcade cabinets.
Austin Gutierrez
Good They were always a scam
Colton Perry
They're already dead anyway
Matthew Phillips
Why is he talking about pinball? Pinball isn't a video game. Pinball video games exist, but pinball on its own isn't a video game.
Benjamin Walker
Imagine being such a bootlicking shill you actually make up shit to defend your corporate overlords. I sincerely hope you're getting paid for this, but you really should kill yourself either way.
I hate lootboxes and Ill push for regulation just to piss you lootbox fags off.
Colton Hall
Is this happening or what? When will it go into effect? I cant wait
Andrew Hughes
Because user this is a shill thread, probably by the ESA in a coordinated scare campaign to try and turn people against the bill so their donors don't lose money. They why the posted blatant lies which would be immediately obvious to anyone who read the bill, see .
Aiden Miller
daily reminder to ignore shills the bill targets P2W and lootboxes
>muh corporations kys only the same kind of retard who gambles in the lottery falls for lootboxes anyway, they're irrelevant
Hudson James
You're now aware that this will kill F2P games. Hope you're happy, Yea Forums.
Gavin Perez
>they're irrelevant
Xavier Green
>lootboxes >irrelevant yes, I am
Jacob Mitchell
They need to be regulated the same way gambling is
Oliver Kelly
>games journos who are in bed with the publishers hate it
Must mean it's good for the consumer.
Xavier Powell
Name a single good F2P game with microtransactions that affect gameplay.
Nathan King
Laws about "saving people from themselves" are inherently retarded, people who want to burn their own money shouldn't be stopped from doing so.
Camden Foster
I am Ive never been happier in fact I cant believe vieogames are going to be saved with such a simple measure Everything looked doomed not long ago, now I can see the future of games being bright again
Matthew Mitchell
>backpedaling
Luke Scott
>this will kill F2P cash-grabbing trash >this is somehow a bad thing
How is it backpedaling? Retards who burn their own money are very much irrelevant.
Noah Moore
thank god, now that all the boomers are dying off we can finally put authoritarianism to good use, ubi here we come
Wyatt Lopez
i don't give a shit about the subhumans who pay for lootboxes, i gve a shit about my favorite game series being raped by greedy publishers because of said whales
William Hall
The only F2P-with-mtx games worth playing are Dota and TF2 and neither of those fall under any of the bill's definitions. The most that would happen is that TF2 would have to take the weapons off the Mann Co store but fucking nobody buys those anyway.
Alexander Ortiz
First American bill I've heard of that genuinely makes me jealous. Hope the EU follows suit.
Liam Collins
inviting the government to regulate video games might be a bad idea... who knew?
>i gve a shit about my favorite game series being raped by greedy publishers because of said whales OK so now instead of lootboxes you get games fragmented into Paradox-tier 500 USD worth of DLC, happy? Yes it is irrelevant that people are playing gacha shit and burning their own money. Why should I care about them?
Isaac Wright
>journos so seething they have to literally make up fiction to try to push a narrative lmao
Anthony Lopez
>instead of They're doing that anyway.
Jose Brown
Anything that will nuke the garbage AAA industry is A-OK with me in theory, but giving papa government more power is counter to my principles. I guess expecting ordinary people to display restraint and to not open their wallet to shitty business practices is too much to ask.
Doubtful, games like fortnite make all their money off cosmetics.
Isaiah Lopez
Ace Combat devs made a free to play cash grab game as a way of getting funds to make a real buy to play sequel, and then shut it down once that happened. I guess everyone else has to do that too now.
Ryan Martin
the bill bans pay2win mtx as well, so devs would be forced to put complete games, paradox would die the day this shit gets passed
Aaron Collins
Who gives a fuck about arcades?
Jackson Jones
Yeah but that wasn't enough to save everyone else. This is more wideranging and we're so cuturally dependent on the US that we'd probably copy the whole thing not long after.
Austin Thompson
I'm guessing you didn't read the part of the bill that clearly indicates it excludes arcade machines
Luke Sullivan
OH THANK GOD
Jason Edwards
>Why should I care about them? Because the profit those people create incites publishers to put that shit into any other game they can fit it in? Because literally the only reason EA is able to stay above water is because of Europeans playing the FIFA Ultimate Team gacha? Because the tactic of "just ignore it lol" has led to this shit getting into dozens of major releases that aren't just phone games?
Parker Lewis
The way this journos are sucking the industries dicks is awesomely bad. I mean, I guess they want to score a job in PR or localising shit, but, seriously. Comparing a pinball machine to adquiring COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE over another player? That's some serious mental gymnastics over there, pals.
Nathaniel Smith
Vermintide 2 has a "lootbox" progression system. Instead of paying money, you get boxes from leveling and completing missions. They basically are loot boxes with all the pretty lights and sounds, only just apart of how you advance in the game. My question would be; will the proposed law look unfavorably towards lootbox-like systems even if you're not spending additional money?
Hudson Flores
If I have to sacrifice Warframe to hope lootboxes and p2w get exterminated forever, I will take it
Colton Lopez
FUCK EA
Easton Carter
As long as they are not called loot boxes they should be ok.
Lincoln Parker
Arcades aren't affected by this, at a cabinet in an arcade you are paying the store owner to play their cabinet, you're not paying for any kind of ownership.
David Parker
kill yourself you corporate bootlicking faggot
Thomas Lee
This will only kill lootbox abusing, P2W shitfests. I'm all for it.
What will the buglords of Japan and China do when their gachas are banned as well?
Brody Hughes
It doesn't matter whether he read it or not, he's not here to actually provide information, he's here to drum up clicks by posting sensationalist fearmongering.
This IS an advertising thread, by the way. Make sure to do your part.
you buy the cheapest item to get a premium account
Zachary Cruz
Oh shit, maybe if people actually did their fucking jobs this wouldn't have happened
Blake Edwards
t. Goldstein
Joshua Perez
this law also ban mobile games with mandatory wait so its misogynistic.
Jose Davis
>in one sweep ''pay to win'' gaming dies >every western dev seething ABSOLUTE KEK
Jordan Clark
>Because the profit those people create incites publishers to put that shit into any other game they can fit it in? If it's not that then it's going to be turbojew DLC, and if there isn't any alternate way of making bank then those games just won't get made. There are plenty of good, non-bullshit games being made today outside of AAA jank who cares about that shit? Banning shitty business practices won't improve games, it will simply remove the ones that currently do it and the other decent games will continue existing almost exactly as they do now, maybe slightly worse off due to a worse market overall and that's it.
Isaiah Parker
Reminder that a law is only as good as it's worst interpretation, a few obtuse judge rulings is all you need to build legal precedent. Also you zoomers don't think it's possible for a company to sink itself with bad practices.
>a law is only as good as it's worst interpretation, a few obtuse judge rulings is all you need to build legal precedent The absolute state of Angloniggers and their common """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""law"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""".
If a company values it's product as free, it's inherently shit.
Asher Robinson
>then those games just won't get made Uhhh, good? There's not a single game worth playing that's shredded up into a billion DLC pieces. >it will simply remove the ones that currently do it and the other decent games will continue existing almost exactly as they do now And how is this not a massive net improvement? If all the garbage gachashit games die and the decent games keep going as they are how does that not cause the overall net quality of the industry to skyrocket? Companies will be forced to either make decent games or die if they can't overmonetize everything to shit.
Man, the people who play the Japanese versions of those games are going to be smug as shit if that happens.
Aiden Perez
>how does that not cause the overall net quality of the industry to skyrocket? Not in a practical way, the existence or inexistence of gachashit has zero actual effect in the good games that exist. They're 2 separate classes of things. > Companies will be forced to either make decent games No, they won't. They'll either find another way like having DLC out the ass or the money will just leave.
Alexander Roberts
Get fucked EA shill. Stop with the lootbox p2w bullshit and accept you overextended with them by thinking non normalfags will take the cook up their ass as normalfags did with FIFA for years.
William White
>I don't know what "net" means
Asher Bell
It's amazing to me what you can not only grow accustomed to but grow to depend on when you've probably never known anything different.
>like having DLC out the ass see Doing a Paradox or Netherrealm and dicing your game up into a billion pieces and forcing you to buy everything to be competitive is a great way to get audited.
John Sanders
user if all the gachashit games are gone while the good games are untouched then video games as a whole are better this is not a difficult or complex concept
Well, yeah. There are plenty of people here who are playing gacha games. Some of them are playing the NA releases, some are playing the Japanese ones. If the NA ones all shut down then yeah, I expect the people who can still play to laugh at the ones who just got shut down.
Gavin Jones
Post yfw >EA >Ubisoft >gacha games >Warframe >Overwatch will die in your lifetime
Looks fine to me, this needs to be made into law right now. Fuck these corporations, fuck all of them in their greedy assholes, they deserve this, I hate what gaming has become in the last 20 years. Fuck all of them, I hope the fucking industry crashes again, because we need another one to clear out all of the fucking trash.
Logan Williams
Their old editor regained control and started rehiring people although I think blob got a gag order on his political opinions.
Why do you think they are working on ow2? They are going to bypass this law.
Bentley Reed
Then they simply won't make games. And either way how do you even argue what's "competitive" in EU4 single player for instance? Actually, no. Nothing changes in a practical sense if retards are burning their money or not while I play good games.
Jonathan Brooks
Go shill somewhere else for less consumer rights faggot.
Ryder Sanders
>Then they simply won't make games G O O D O O D
HOW RETARDED ARE YOU THAT YOU CAN'T REALIZE THAT IS LITERALLY THE EXACT OUTCOME DESIRED
except I get what I pay for when I play Groove Coaster. 3-4 rounds of any song and I try to get a highscore.
Liam Roberts
Gacha games can survive without the US market though. Look at Idolmaster, none of those games are officially available outside Japan, and it's not like they're dying. It'll hurt but gacha will survive until Japan and China outlaw it too.
Carson Baker
Go shill for Marxism somewhere else, kike
Logan Campbell
My life won't be improved by not having retards burn money into gachashit.
Ryan Thompson
He's shilling to maintain the exact same amount of consumer rights, if you wanna get technical.
Anthony Barnes
arcades are for skills,not for features.
Dominic Ward
nobody cares about your life, you dumb nigger.
Juan Gomez
>linking directly to the site I wish reddit would fuck off
Nathaniel Hall
Every day I come here I am proven that zoomers are the most retarded generation to steal oxygen from useful humans. The only kikes here are you bunch of faggots that think loot boxes and predatory sales and marketing practices are a good thing. Go fuck off back to your little desert shit hole chaim.
Looks like MMORPGs are dead. >permits a user to continue to access content of the game that … has been made inaccessible after the expiration of a timer >ie. subscription
Kayden Anderson
Warframe is fucking shit. I'd gladly boot the game off a hill into a fire and piss upon the ashes just for some control over the outrageous bullshit gaming companies are getting away with.
Hunter Russell
line 22 specifically says that is not the case
David Russell
You will need to explain the differences then because video game is a very broad term, especially when you have fringe examples like that one interactive episode of Black Mirror. What makes pinball, where there are scores, lives and other video game aspects, different from a normal video game?
Ayden Davis
Only good f2p game is dota and if it meant i can buy the set i want jnstead of loot boxes id be extremely happy
Hudson Gray
>zoomers actually citing Black fucking Mirror as legal precedent you can't make this shit up
Jason Roberts
Would this law prevent meaningful expansions? I hate cut content, but could oppsing force of ballad of gay tony be sold if these laws were applied back then?
Ethan Carter
Modern corporations have practically 0 chance of failure due to the sheer amount of people around. Back maybe 80 years ago, sure a shit product would ruin you, but now there are simply too many people to support even the shittiest of ideas. Look at all of these sports games, all of them are borderline gatcha shit these days, but fuckstain dudebros just gargle that hot load of EA cum and swallow it down and beg Big Daddy EA for more every year.
Brody Ramirez
Prove me wrong then. How is a CYOA game not a game? What makes that different from say a VN or a walking simulator?
Noah Ramirez
>WAH WAH BIG DADDY GOVERNMENT SAVE ME No fuck you, commie. The money you niggers steal for your hand outs won’t last forever
Elijah Richardson
Video games have video involved. Pinball does not. That wasn't hard.
Colton Edwards
No, the writer is pretty much lying and proving himself wrong in the article
Angel Sanchez
>mobile games with mandatory wait what?
Isaiah Smith
only the actual company shills have a problem with this
Justin Gutierrez
Good, fuck all of that shit. It is a good day for games when all of that trash is removed from it. It'll be like a huge cancerous growth being excised from a dying patient.
Won't these games just get bumped up to an M-rating because they have lootboxes though? Will it actually change anything? It only affects sales to children, right?
Eli Gonzalez
>permits a user to continue to access content of the game that … has been made inaccessible after the expiration of a timer or a number of gameplay attempts Fug does this mean limited use demos are banned now and now must be unlimited uses?
Most pinballs have display screens that does just that user. What kind of antiquated pinball are you even talking about that doesn't have that?
Jack Rivera
Sounds good to me. Don;t like it? Cope harder
Jeremiah Bell
>demos what year is this?
Joseph Adams
ESRB has no legal relevance. The bill has a much wider definition of for minors
Leo Carter
Good luck getting parents to buy Superhappy Funball kids games with that big fat RATED M FOR GAMBLING on the front cover.
Adam Anderson
It looks like they bring the old method - 90's demo style. Meaning they have to create two games (full version and demo version).
Nicholas Butler
Do you really think continuing to act like a retard is going to serve you well? You keep talking about niggers and so far you're the only one who is acting like one. It's not about being saved by the government. It's about the creation of digital consumer rights which need to exist. Without the government your melanin enriched faggot ass would have been in a coal mine from the age of seven. Go howl and scream like a stupid fucking monkey somewhere else.
Robert Martin
pinball machines still involve you working physical levers to manipulate a physical ball.
Carson Torres
Let's be honest here. This is never about the minors and anyone saying otherwise is a filthy liar.
Jose Anderson
There's still no such thing as too big to fail except trusts and monopolies. The thing is EA isn't the only source of games, the big boys have to deal with a ton of indies and the modern ease of game publishing. Misapplied regulation could even squash mass amounts of competition.
Anthony Sanders
Bills involving minors almost never about them, just the easiest way to market it.
Michael Morales
I LOVE GOVERNMENT BOOT SAVE ME FROM THE EVIL CORPORATIONS GUBMINT!!!!!!!!!!! HELP ME HELP ME HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT LOOTBOXES I JUST FUCKING HATE SJW CORPORATIONS AND WANT TO STICK IT TO THEM
Levi Ward
Arcade games may have been bullshit, but they were also tests of skill. Loot boxes are just gambling.
Thomas Edwards
this isn't misapplied regulation
Evan Peterson
>There's still no such thing as too big to fail Yeah, except every time one of these giants fucks up and is about to go broke, the gov't comes out and saves their asses. There are plenty of corps too fucking big to fail, and thats bullshit. It's rewarding them, they need to fall off and die like the trash they are.
Bentley Long
What about unique event hats and mmo timed gear?
Benjamin Gutierrez
But they're not primarily based around those screens. You can have pinball machines with no video at all. You can't have a video game without video.
Henry Scott
Unironically this. Ancaps are retarded and deserve to be hit with the cold water of reality.
Jeremiah Ward
HELP ME TRUMP
Landon Rogers
>Not a new IP lmao
Kevin Reed
Which is then converted into a digital singals to keep track of scores, lives and other video game related things. This is no different than using an analog controller for a video game.
Joseph Brooks
If it turns out that a judge interprets this as including cosmetic stuff I'm gonna cream myself
>but muh based freemium cosmetic-only company Can now go back to making buy-once games again. Perfect for all involved
David Lopez
Okay you know what Go take it to court, good fucking luck
James Ortiz
Notice how it's usually the government propping these bad companies up. The same government being asked to save people from dlc and loot boxes.
Angel Morris
>Can now go back to making buy-once games again they'll just stop making games. not like Yea Forums wouldn't be happy about this
William Butler
please don't pretend to be retarded, its only going to attract actual retards like OP
Aiden King
Imagine being this desperate to fearmonger and protect your corporate masters.
Brody Johnson
But most pinball machines does have that feature. An actual pinball machine without it is so incredibly rare that it's most likely a collector's item than being played.
Michael Cook
WOW! Can't believe they're banning a way to support developers. It makes me very depressed! Lost all hope in humanity.
John Carter
imagine writing this garbage. can´t even imagine what a massive Corporate whore this "journalist" must be.
Aaron Ross
Wouldn't you be happy if EA fucked off?
Brandon Watson
I wonder if it would block DLC for challenges that give you a power boost like the trial of the sword DLC for Breath of the wild.
Luke James
oh no, what a shame
Dominic Thompson
Thats how it works. Sometimes the gov't saves you, sometimes is fucks you in the ass. This is true of any gov't.
Wyatt Watson
But it's still clearly not vital. Therefore pinball must not be a video game, since video is a vital part of being a video game.
David Wright
nobody makes games for fun, they make it for profit. if the profits aren't big enough they just will stop making games and move entirely to mobile, or another service
Jackson Jones
Well it does say that gives an advantage so unless they give the timed items trash stats i don't think it would work. Not like it matters most MMOs will just move servers to some other English speaking country and just release in the US so they can claim to be under the law of their country and that US players are just accessing a game made for the other country.
Andrew Powell
>none of these are new IPs They really do think they look genuine, don't they?
So true. What will companies do if they can't get money from loot boxes or microtransactions? They will stop making all products and just die.
Hudson Nguyen
There will always be another to fill the void. You like some megafuckstain corp like EA, Actiblizz, or Ubi leaving the business wouldn't be good for EVERYONE, you fucking mindless shill.
>>All the sudden the only way to turn a profit now is with asstons of microtransactions, DLC, lootboxes, etc. Yeah no.
Logan Watson
>big budget Try anything that isn't derivative pixelshit. This won't just kill AAA, it'll kill anything that isn't made by bored rich kids in their spare time
Landon Ramirez
How is it retarded? If having physical controller that uses lever and shit is enough to classify something as not video games, does that mean hardcore flight/driving/tank/whatever simulator that uses realistic controllers would be the same?
Nolan Hall
Honestly speaking, thats not really a bad thing. Though I also sincerely doubt that'd be the case considering Gaming is one of the biggest industries in the world at the moment.
Companies that can only survive via lootboxes are ones that aren't really making products worth playing on their own merits. Ones that can, will likely just change their tactics rather than stop making games all together. Cause even if you remote lootboxes, games are still ridiculously profitable.
Carter Perez
I can't believe it Yea Forums. My favourite Japanese casino game will disapear. Do you have any idea what this means? Owner-san won't be able to feed his family, HIS FAMILY ! A good part of my existence has been for the benefit of owner-san and now he, and his family, will be on the streets thanks to this. Fuck you.
Michael Taylor
Yup, fuck games so large in budget they have to be incredibly bland to avoid alienating anyway.
Luke Fisher
It's about microtransactions though. If the item is only available during the event and then becomes unavailable that's allowed. It'd be illegal to have a way to buy the hat after the event was over, but if there's no way at all to get it after that point then it's fine.
Owen Allen
Okay, good? Indies are plenty fucking profitable as is. Go ask Team Cherry, Dingaling, Yacht Club, Toby fucking Fox holy shit, WayForward, Ice Pick Lodge, Supergiant, do I have to keep going?
>nobody makes games for fun Holy fuck. I mean yeah if you look at anything recently I would absolutely agree (besides the few exceptions). But if you look at gaming history, it was usually not strictly for profit, if you look at older games and older teams.
Nolan Perry
Funny, companies seemed to make massive profits the entire time by releasing complete games for all of these years. It's only in the last 10 or so that lootboxing has become popular, I wonder why? Could it be outright greed? NAAAH, NO COMPANY WOULD EVER CUT QUALITY FOR MORE MONEY, RIGHT FRIENDS?
will someone pleaase think about all those good indie games that Yea Forums never talks about or plays
Aaron Howard
This is a stupid comparison. This is like saying cause you can press buttons on a microwave it should be classified as a computer.
Ethan Hall
see >t. bootlicker
Luke Gutierrez
He just need to release more skyrims and fallouts, the lifeblood of bethesda
Alexander Evans
You kidding?
Chase Barnes
Enjoy your state regulated cucked censored games you massive fucking loser
Brayden Clark
The free market killed the free market, because you can't trust humans with any degree of power without heavy regulation to ensure they don't pull a Disney, Microsoft, telecomm company, etc.
Nathan Wood
>oy vey the law might force an AO rating instead of an M rating!! That's literally this guy's gripe. That and: >regulations are a monkey's paw So if they include loot boxes, it'll be AO. Big fucking deal. Must be a slow news day.
Anthony Jenkins
Good. I'm tired of AAA gaming nowadays budget being used primarily for making textures and advertising. If i could get 360 graphics and good gameplay i'd be happy with gaming.
Not half-ass it, otherwise, he would be a poorfag as fuck.
Nicholas Young
>but giving papa government more power is counter to my principles. Sometimes to defeat your enemies, you have to ally with your enemies
>I guess expecting ordinary people to display restraint and to not open their wallet to shitty business practices is too much to ask. Yeah that was definitely expecting too much out of people
Caleb Allen
Let PSO2 run in the states for a year before you kill it :(
Noah Martinez
Greed is good, commie
Caleb Phillips
The free market has encouraged that kind of bullshit. Its only by the grace of the first amendment that corporations haven't entirely pandered to anti free speech lefties and chink insects.
Jason Rodriguez
oh NO this might cause arcades to die
also there's an easy solution to the arcade """problem""", door tickets
Liam Morris
Oh here you commie libcucks come again advocating for literal state sponsored autoritarian regimes over video games. You make me sick
Jaxson Sullivan
>Not half-ass it skyrim is the pure definition of a half assed game tho
Jayden Cooper
Sounds good to me
Daniel Gonzalez
I would sacrifice a thousand PSO2's to shit upon one EA.
Very unlikely. many will probably do what granblue does and make an inhouse translation team and only release in one country to avoid getting certain rights for out of the country.
Okay, and? Microtransactions are a cancerous anchor to inherently cancerous practices and game design. I say good riddance. As for arcades, they're alright nostalgia trips but have been archaic for decades now. These days, that's honestly a pretty small price to pay.
Cooper Nguyen
>all the zoomers and shills ITT having a meltdown because their lootboxshit is doomed
>why yes, I did support government regulation of entertainment media in the US because I can't say nigger on Overwatch without getting banned. why do you ask?
>Companies that can only survive via lootboxes are ones that aren't really making products worth playing on their own merits. Exactly. If they're only held afloat by one of the most predatory and manipulative monetization schemes out there, then they don't deserve to survive as an entity.
Aiden Allen
>this again you already posted this bait, what do you plan to do with all of these (you)s!?!? ANSWER ME
Ryan Bennett
It's a literal slippery slope you idiot
Josiah Reed
If jurnos and big corporations hate it or are mad about it, you can be pretty sure it's something good for the common citizen.
Daniel Cook
Yes. It was called pinball back in the 30s way before the concept of video games existed. Video isn't necessary. It may be ubiquitous these days, but it's not strictly necessary. Therefore not a video game.
Jonathan Wood
Arcades aren't even in danger, that's the thing, it's the journo deliberately misinterpreting and obfuscating the truth to fearmonger and protect his corporate overlord.
Kayden Ross
So now all the AAA companies are going to switch to a subscription model?
Zachary Edwards
People need jobs to feed themselves and their families. You need to pay these corporations so these innocent folk can live
Gabriel Mitchell
>not a new IP Oh no no no
Jacob Green
When did Yea Forums start identifying with normalfags so much? >supporting your bullies
Angel Murphy
I don't think anyone liked arcade machines. They were fun to play, but being ball-bustingly hard for the sake of killing you so you drop another 25 cents for an extra life is exactly the kind of thing that shouldn't be happening, especially in games that are $60 to even boot up and play. Mobileshit will hopefully get weeded out too since it's literally just a handheld arcade machine/slot machine.
Kayden Parker
Greed is the main driving force behind innovation and economic growth, the singular reason we went a poor third world shithole worshiping the idol of socialism is because our society had understood this point. It’s only recently with the rise of millennial snowflake culture that people have deluded themselves into thinking that capitalism is literally the devil itself
Luke Wood
>coporate cocksucker website upset about loot box ban laws
Oh no, how terrible.
Isaiah Allen
Don't tempt them
Noah Martinez
God this is such a horribly written article, when I read the first 4 paragraphs, and still don't know what your article is about you need to quit writing.
Juan Sanchez
Imagine unironically pulling the sekrit club card >yes goyim this giant corporation is /ourguy/
Owen Perez
It literally won't. The bill has specific exemptions for arcades and MMO subscriptions. The author is ignoring them.
Kevin James
Abso-fucking-lutely. AAA has been a blight since around 2008.
Easton Bailey
>Saying nigger in a videogame is worse than exploitive and manipulative monetization schemes, like loot boxes.
Jaxon Barnes
Arcades just needed to adapt. Dave & Busters did by making one fee for unlimited non ticket games for a night and then being a bar.
Michael Edwards
He's quoting a movie.
You're a fucking retarded newfag and need to lurk moar.
Julian Reyes
Funnily enough, that's when microtransactions started.
Jace Smith
Arcades with an entrance fee are way better than pumping in quarters.
Elijah White
How is this supporting bullies
Samuel Lee
pretending to champion for people's rights because you're still assblasted over goobergate makes you an insect
William Diaz
because EA is literally /ourguy/ and really cares about the vidya, Yea Forumsro
Robert Hall
t. chink
Dominic Stewart
What is exploitative and manipulative about lootboxes? Hyperbole much?
Luis Cox
>muh common man Normalfags are evil. Stop pretending you care about them.
Kayden Brooks
>not a new IP hmmm
Joseph Rivera
Good point. I should be on my hands and knees tooth raking the smegma off corporate cocks like a good little consumer. Maybe if I'm a good little bitch my asshole will only get torn open a little when they go in dry.
Your kind has no power here paid shill.
Logan Cooper
God the more whining I hear about this bill, the harder my dick gets. I think the only game that could possibly be affected by this bill that I care about is Warframe and honestly if that's a hit that I have to take to assure no more fucking microtransaction and pay to win bullshit in my games then I'll take it.
Angel Anderson
>they'll just stop making games. good, then all the business they throw aside can be picked up by more talented people who make just those buy-once games.
Ethan Thompson
Think about it like the recent shit with TV/Movie streaming services. When it was just Netflix, it was fine because everything was in one place for one monthly fee. Now there are loads of streaming services, piracy has come back because no-one wants to pay $100 a month to access all the things they used to be able to access for much, much cheaper. But with Games as a Service, you NEED their server, if everything went subscription model then the average playerbase of those games will drop dramatically.
Alexander Ross
>HAHA NORMALFAGS ARE EVIL CORPORATIONS ARE YOUR FRIEND
lol what
Luis Wood
Doesn't cover a fee to access the service in the first place. The only way it would is if they offered a free go for a prize and then paid subsequent rounds. Even then an exemption likely exists or will be made.
This also does not cover DLC such as new levels, skins or other such content that is not a competitive advantage provided they simply sell the content normally.
Now get lost, shill.
Connor Bailey
corporations make the games you like, your face when you get less content because the devs have less money to make games
Ryan Richardson
A smart microwave is really no different from a computer nowadays. Hell, you can play Skyrim on a goddamn Alexa. Look, at this point I want to make one thing clear. I am not against anti-Gacha bills as so much as the current implementation of it. The bill is simply too broadly defined, not for the gacha terms, but for the definition of what a video game is. With technology constantly improving and the line between video games and other forms of media blurring, making them define what is a video game is the least they can do when it comes to a bill about gacha in video games.
Nicholas Diaz
>Then they simply won't make games that's a good thing, if they only make games to jew the fuck out of people then they shouldn't be making games in the first place
John Perry
I'll take Chad and Stacy and their Facebook "memes" over Shekleburg Goldstein any day.
Lucas Adams
>People need jobs to feed themselves and their families. You need to pay these corporations so these innocent folk can live why pay the companies that take 99.99% of the profits instead of the smaller devs that will need tons of workers to pick up the slack big companies left, which will pay more of the money you spend anyway on the actual people who need jobs to feed their families?
Blake Price
Defining everything listed in OP would be a hilarious and delicious clusterfuck since gambling laws are so different state-to-state. In states like Alabama, for instance, p2w and lootbox games would be straight up illegal if defined as gambling games.
Jose Scott
Journalists are paid mouthpieces for companies, if they are forced to kill their cashcows journalists will be among the first departments to get defunded.
Gavin Davis
corporations publish the games I like they don't make jack shit
William Fisher
The average normalfag is little more than cattle. Selfish, greedy and evil, they deserve to be raked across the coals by the elite.
Preached by people with zero ethics and zero morals who also manipulate children for political or social reasons literally every day. To think that Yea Forums is some kind of bastion of humanity against "le ebil corps" is turning a blind eye to how horrible you actually are.
Stop screaming about shit people taking advantage of other shit people. Everyone is shit, and they deserve it. I will support corps fucking people to the ground for every nickle and dime because if they fall for the scheme, they deserve every second of it
Adam Bell
based
John Morris
With a subscription model you know what you are getting when you pay for it
Aiden Watson
Actually the lottery has more merit to lootboxes, because theyre not expensive, and instill a sense of hope in the buyer. Everybody can think about winning the lottery and feel a little better in their shitty life because they know there is a chance to not have such a shitty life. Getting a skin in lootbox doesn't do that.
Luke Ward
>The average normalfag is little more than cattle. Selfish, greedy and evil, they deserve to be raked across the coals by the elite.
Who's going to stop just because you tell them to?
Nolan Moore
You can't be serious. You know how some people have gambling addictions? Imagine that but in the safety of your home, or really wherever you take your phone. You'd have to be a straight dumbass not to see the possibilities, and how many headlines have there been of individuals spending tens of thousands of dollars on microtransactions again?
Brody Cruz
In the span of this thread I've seen the shills switch to a billion different tactics after getting BTFO, it's kinda embarrassing. Also it's really interesting how almost none of these posts are new IPs and the only ones that display new IPs are ones shitting on it, meaning there are likely about 4-5 posters tops defending the article.
>making shit up and willful interpretation to fearmonger
>claiming this will kill all F2P games
>trying to write off gachashit and lootboxes as something that doesn't actually exist or affect the industry
>buzzwords and claiming "muh worst interpretation"
>claiming it will totally target pinball too guize
>calling anyone in favor of it a commie
>crying it'll kill AAA, please feel sorry for the corporations
>trying to relate it to le goobergate
>nah they're not THAT bad
>nah these corporations are actually /ourguys/, they're helping us in the war against le normalfags
My libertarian instincts are telling me this could be bad, but my hatred of modern game company's exploitative practices makes me want this. Ultimately games should just be monetized through either a single one time purchase or reasonable monthly/yearly subscription fees for MMO like games. Expansions are also fine, since they allow more content over time.
Eli Ramirez
Good thing this doesn’t affect me because I don’t pay pig my way through content. I just enjoy the game I’m playing after buying it or downloading it for free and if I want something I spend the time rather than putting more money in to cheat my way there because the games I play are fun, unlike the MOBA/Battle Royale garbage everybody else plays these days.
Sebastian Wright
This saves the arcade industry. Good talk, everyone.
Josiah Green
Based
Alexander Sanders
corporations fund the developers you like to make games, do you think the money comes from thin air, fucktard
Daniel Watson
>going to an arcade in the current year yikes
Levi Johnson
You're libertarian instincts are correct. Game quality, consumer happiness and worker happiness are subservient to the profits of the company and the free market
Daniel Ward
I hope whole fucking industry crashes and burns, all this p2w microtransaction riddled preorder stuffed bullshit needs to end.
Camden Russell
Unironically based and useful autism on display
Christopher Kelly
congratulations on your first grade reading comprehension, little dude.
Brayden Adams
>people will make good games if they're allowed to and not restrained by greed >THAT'S WHY WE NEED THE GOVERNMENT TO LITERALLY FORCE THEM TO STOP BEING GREEDY
Blake Ortiz
So we should ban something because a minority of users use it irresponsibly? (something completely their fault) We should ban video games, they're too addictive and people are wasting their time on it.
Imagine new games with loads of characters where you actually have to unlock them. Imagine cosmetics unlocked through gameplay, so you could feel impressed again about wearing or seeing someone wear a cosmetic because you know they got it with work not cash. Imagine never being outdone by some wallet warrior again because they bought so many advantages over you.
Fucking bring on the law.
John Smith
BASED
Sebastian Rivera
congratulations on failing to understand that the corporations you hate pay people to make games, without them it wouldn't be as lucrative
Evan White
No, we should ban it because it's a predatory practice that only "benefits" lazy people, and even then it only does that because 9 times out of 10 their playing some brainless timewaster with a grind wall of some sort that's just faster to pay past, aka they're playing a shitty game not worth salvaging in the first place.
Christopher Garcia
>but the law says this The US has a branch of government specifically for interpreting laws. You would know this if you passed highschool government class. The bill is not aimed at arcade machines
Liam Brown
yes, you can repeat people's points back to them, that's nice.
Samuel Brooks
>he actually thinks games will have a resurgence instead of dying off completely
Ryder Russell
you can have both systems in the same game, it just takes effort
Easton Howard
GamerGate was based and redpilled tbqh
Nathaniel Bennett
My god yes equalize it all. eEven the small amount of microtransaction is a major annoyance in devil may cry because of that death screen. Remove it, remove it all. Remove Devil May Cry if it means no more microtransactions, destroy everything franchise i love and save videogames.
Thats exactly what we want, you absolute imbecil. Stop using reddit shilling rhetoric, it wont work here.
Grayson Robinson
you fail to realize that the boogeyman you hate is part of the reason you even have games to play, without them developers wouldn't have the resources to make shit
Imagine being a pathetic corporate shill, dead inside knowing that all the retarded shit you say is only in service of some money hungry CEO who would happily fire you at a moment's notice. God, I can just imagine you sitting behind the screen typing away the responses your higher management gave you while everyone here just hurls insults and defeats your """arguments""" with the most basic research. And you tell yourself everyday, "N-no, this d-doesn't get to me" But it does. The words cut deeper each time, just as you cut deeper into your dwindling supply of shill money each month. And sometimes, you think about ending it all, letting some poor fuck find your putrid corpse hanging from the rafters. Do it faggot, it's the only thing you'll ever do that has any real conviction behind it. Do it.
Mason Rivera
Gacha doesn't need America to live
Wyatt Mitchell
No it's shit. Accepting any microtransaction is like accepting a little bit a AIDS inside your body.
Ayden Mitchell
The lootbox defense squad just shows what subhuman pieces of shit Journos are.... again.
Ian Lee
>stadia will be illegal before it even comes out OH NO NO NO NO
Wyatt Price
accepting that publishers are a necessary evil doesn't mean i should suck their dick, or give them the credit for the actual work of making games.
Colton Hughes
And you're completely relying on middle-to-old aged judges who spend more time reading law cases than playing video games to rule on those cases. Do you honestly believe they would know how to define what a video game is without sounding like an idiot? God forbid it's gets to the Supreme Court, and they get to determine what is and what isn't a video game.
Julian Campbell
some retards like to buy skins, I'm not going to stop them if it funds the developer to add more content at some point in the future
I would never pay for skins
Blake Gutierrez
People I don't like wield governmental powers against my own interests. This is why many people yourself included have an unfavorable view of the government. You're saying that I shouldn't attempt to do the same but in favor of my interests; why? Because it's a weapon an enemy would use? You're a guy who, when challenged to a fight and the other guy whips out a knife, would refuse to dig the switchblade out of your pocket out of some kind of principle. Your enemies will always win if you refuse to fight on the same level as them. And that makes you a cuckold.
Gaming was just fine before this shit, frankly if a large portion of the games industry died off because it's propped up by freemium shit then nobody would mourn for a second.
Effort that almost nobody is willing to put in, and why would they when there's every incentive not to? Expecting industries to self regulate with no oversight is like putting the fox in charge of the hen house.
David Price
what a god
Jackson Miller
it didn't seem that you accepted that publishers literally fund the developers you like, so you can actually have games to play, without them you might not have the outer worlds, or insert whatever game you like
Cameron Watson
Remeber how good that worked when there was 50 mmos a year?
Julian Mitchell
Why would Anya be happy about her game dying?
Carson Morales
>There are no paid shills on Yea Forums The fucking FBI gets aid to post here
Why are shills even shilling in the first place? It would be one thing if they were getting paid but I think there are shills legitimately mad that people want lootboxes and predatory DLC to die. Why? Do they just not know of a time before?
Just ban video games so the neets will have to go outside or read a book
Josiah Cooper
It's like watching a terminally ill family member suffer. I don't want games to die, but it would be better than living as they are.
Jose Miller
Based. FUCK the video game industry. I hope they get raped into anal prolapse and mass bankruptcy by this. They had the chance to self-regulate and work their shit out for the past 20 years. They chose greed and maximum profits instead. I hope that law rapes Activision. EA, Ubisoft & Co. to death.
That's cool bro but meanwhile the rest of us who don't give a shit about any of this and just want to play games are getting fucked over by the corporations appealing to those people instead of just making enjoyable games you nitwit
David Gomez
Remember that guy claiming to be an FBI agent on the local /pol/ and he called political news years in advance?
Samuel Campbell
Once again, not a single new IP is among any of the posts listed below. All of these posters have posted AT LEAST one other post in this thread.
>fearmongering capsspam, also implying gachashit and lootboxes are good
>claiming that corporations need the money from gachashit to make games
>a repeat of "it doesn't actually affect anyone, we shouldn't touch it"
>banning gachashit will literally kill the industry guize
>if you don't buy lootboxes it hurts the lowly workers making the games!
>no there's a risk of misinterpreting it so we can't allow this law to pass!
>another "you're a commie if you don't buy lootboxes"
Fucking good Publishers have been pushing the bar lower and lower very slowly over time and pretending everything was fine, first with shitty DLC, then Online Passes, then with MTX and now with Lootboxes
Nothing would make me happier than to see them get kneecapped and forced to square 1, if you can't make a profitable video game without relying on this garbage then you shouldn't make video games
Gabriel Ross
le evil corporations, you tried to make it seem as if publishers weren't nessesary by diminishing their role in the games industry
Cameron Lewis
Last I checked, Nintendo was doing fine as were plenty of indie and smaller companies who do not participate in p2w
Zachary James
you're right, the bill is bad, instead the government should just take all the money people that buy lootboxes have and hand it out in gibs for niggers
Charles Thomas
and just like that EA can no longer hide behind their sport games
Aiden Lee
Buying skins is fine. Spending money for a chance at a skin in a slot machine like fashion is not.
Grayson Myers
see you at shabbat shill :)
Anthony Roberts
>You get the recognition for your skill No, everyone thinks you're a filthy p2w who bought the skin.
Jose Campbell
why did you give your kid the credit card, don't you realize they could waste your money
Anthony Turner
>another "you're a commie if you don't buy lootboxes"
>I don't think anyone liked arcade machines. You are incorrect. Frankly, Arcade games being difficult did not even register to me until years later. I just had fun playing cool, exciting games.
That said, the market is very different now. Arcade games came during a time where access to video games were limited, and Arcades were often on the cutting edge. They were also very straightforward: Pay 25 cents to a dollar, and you get to play. Newer games, like Mobile and AAA, are not only much more deceptive and inclined to user trickery, but exist in a time where anyone with a computer and the internet can play games. You notice when people are tricking you easier now because you've experienced honest games.
Henry Sanchez
>please corporate overlords shit in my mouth You retards just need to go to a real fucking casino instead of buying lootbox shit.
Adam Barnes
This sounds excellent. Losing arcade machines is a small price to pay for saving the video game industry. Do arcades even exist anymore?
Luke Wright
incredibly based backpedalling over the fact you can't read sad
Hunter Reed
If you can't run a profitable business of making and selling games without relying on p2w and lootbox mtx then you are bad at running a business.
Levi Ramirez
not realizing how much money it takes to make a game, if you have less money to pay a developer you get less content
Benjamin Flores
Nintendo saw the writing on the fall so that's why they insist on treating their mobile garbage as ads for the real games so they're ready to pull out once it gets banned.
Adrian Martinez
I think he meant that you can have skill based skins and shitty paid skins in the same game.
Dominic Jones
Then why do AAA games tend to have such little content?
Jonathan Gutierrez
It doesn't affect arcade machines. By OP's logic video arcades would be subject to the same laws as actual casinos.
Sports games make more money than 99% of AAA video games and they don't have that much more content than they did 10 years ago
Isaac Hall
there would be only one way to unlock the 500 win skin or the 300 headshots skin, then there would be other skins you can buy
this system is already in black ops 4
Nolan Walker
Like 80+% of a AAA game's budget goes to marketing. You're fucking retarded if you think the overinflated budgets are actually at all related to the amount of content in a game, or more likely a shill.
Kevin Ortiz
Even better then. I see no downside to this bill whatsoever
Ethan Cooper
Not it's not fine. In-game rewards belong in the game for either displays of skill or dedication. Because that's what a game is. You've been flubbed, powder in your eyes, lootboxes is the tip of the tentacle shave that off and the whole putricide remains behind it. If you think it's not as bad as before you'll only be suckered again in small increments.
Michael Stewart
Why are so many people celebrating when the government restricts they options with an excuse to defend the little children?
Lucas Cruz
far cry 5
Jordan Allen
>back when we were shitters >pocket money was physical money >knew how much or little you had >had to get off your ass to spend it >nu-shitters today >got their own goddamn credit cards somehow >no grasp on how much or little money they have >easy as fuck to spend it online on games, dlc, streamers, etc Looking forward to 10 years from now when the current shitters have grown up and need to get an education but have no savings at all.
This is amazing. You're actually trying to present normalfags as bad guys but at the same time shilling for corporations.
William Brown
>actual literal reskin of the past two games far cry 5 has objectively zero content
Aiden Reed
>end after a certain number of gameplay attempts but allow users to pay additional money to keep playing.
False comparison. They end because you don't on the device. There's nothing stopping you from buying a pinball machine and playing as many rounds as you want.
I won't expect millennials to understand this concept though.
Jeremiah Smith
If that's the price we need to pay to rid gaming of this evil, I'm all for it.
you made it seem as if developers don't need publishers, by saying publishers don't make games, yet they allow games to be made, you tried to win on semantics yet you failed
Jacob Hall
>not a new IP
Cooper Sullivan
sounds fine. they can include a clause to make arcade machines exempt, or not because i don't give a fuck about arcades.
Christopher Mitchell
>when the government restricts they options Fuck off ESL.
Jeremiah Diaz
We should ban it because it is shit and contributes to lazy game design that is affecting the entire industry
How can F2P games make money then? The only other alternative to selling cosmetics is pay to win monetization
Connor Thomas
Shill harder, faggot. Only retards would rather pay for a loot box than unlock an item through playing a game. The government is restricting corporations like EA, Ubisoft and Activision from fucking up the industry. This is an extremely good thing, just not for money-grabbing corporate shills.
Camden Long
do you know that number for a fact or did you just make it up
Brayden Allen
This in no way prevents any level of advertising, including the ability to have a premium, no ads version. You know, that thing that funded TV for decades?
Carson Brooks
>Buying skins is fine. user, I know it's been a while and the medium has shifted so much that it's hard to even remember there was a time like this but did you know once upon a time, there was a little DLC package that charged money for Horse armor that was ridiculed for how ludicrous and cash-grabby it was?
It's in the area. Varies on a per-game basis, obviously.
Alexander Evans
That's less made up than "more money = more content"
Jaxon Morgan
I agree sports games are pretty much a blatant scam at this point, but I wasn't referring to sports games
Jordan Fisher
Its incredibly stupid, and it was better when it was all unlocks and codes, but at least having cosmetic skins for purchase doesn't, usually, make a non paying players experience worse.
Dominic Cook
How did they make game before? It must have been impossible. F2P dies, everysingle one of them is a bad game anyway.
how much does the content of a 2d sidescroller cost to make, how many weapons can you use
I'm not impressed by the content of hollow knight
Adam Smith
incredible how the thread slowed down once this nigger popped up
Andrew Brooks
The fact that sports games are a blatant scam while also being some of the biggest money makers in the industry refutes your entire argument. A game company making a shitload of money from microtransactions does not necessarily equate to more or better content.
Sebastian Roberts
>when the government restricts they options Options nobody wanted
Eli Russell
Yes! Fuck it all to hell.
Angel Hall
God I hate you idiefags so much.
Juan Martinez
I pay you guys to shill to these fucking retards, and this is the best you can do? You're fired.
Cooper Price
>How did they make game before? Monetizing cosmetics Video games aren't TV shows though. Not every F2P game can rely on advertising for revenue.
Dylan Hall
Hire me i need some money you faggot.
Jaxson Rivera
I think in some cases it can, it depends on the developer
there is a significant portion of people who don't buy sports games as they know they are a scam
Aaron Perry
Hollow Knight is entirely hand-drawn and animated, 30-odd hours long before the 3 free DLCs, costs $20 maximum, and was developed on a budget of about 150k by two guys over a couple of years.
We only hire transexual black women for this position.
Sebastian Nelson
>I think in some cases it can, it depends on the developer In most cases it doesn't. You seem to think the point of microtransactions is to maximize content, when in reality the goal of these companies is to maximize profits
Adrian Gomez
but only zoomers defend lootboxes
Aaron Morgan
It explains why they're shit at their jobs.
Adrian Jones
maybe the games that don't sell as well need that income from skins to make content that keeps players
Daniel Torres
Seems fine to me. This shit needed to go.
Ryder Bell
Only numale powerbottoms shill faux retro indiegames
Landon Johnson
Good. Burn it all to the ground for all I care. I want to see these fucking cunts out on the street for what they’ve done.
Elijah Lewis
Or maybe the income from skins doesn't translate into content.
Matthew Allen
>anything faux-retro about Hollow Knight ?
Xavier Morgan
They're trying a new tactic now where they shit on "zoomers" for liking indie titles
That explains why the games that do sell well and don't need the income from skins to make content to keep players the most abhorrent microtransactions.
Owen Moore
>148 IPs and today about 140 anons realized we have paid shills here all in all, a good thread
Aaron Baker
Trying too hard retard
Ignore him. There's a line in the bill that specifically excludes arcades
Parker Brooks
>game ends after a certain number of gameplay attempts but allow users to pay additional money to keep playing Lmao, pinball doesn't even offer a reward. What the fuck is this boomer thinking?
Post some cunny before we hit the end of thread to drive away the shills. Cunny is the enemy of the normies.
Mason Ortiz
yeah, you're the one who should find his place in the trash
Jonathan Ramirez
it can maximize content in certain situations, or would be better than the alternative
let's say someone buys 500 dollars in skins, that's equivalent for 50 people paying for a map pack or expansion
these expansions keep the playerbase alive and entice people to spend on skins
without these expansions people will move on to other games
also making an expansion free or a map pack free kept the playerbase together
all because someone made a questionable desicion to buy skins
this is a benefit to the vast majority of gamers, and no one forced one person to buy 500 dollars of skins he did it of his own volition
Logan Howard
Not enough people are bringing up the fact that it's an actual shill article too
James Martinez
Says the faggot playing the same games going on 20 years
Jackson Parker
>WE LIKE FORTNITE WE LIKE FORTNITE lmao cope
Jason Lopez
This. The intent is to maximize income while minimizing resources put into it, meaning their entire goal is to literally put in as little content as they can put out without overtly pissing off their playerbase.
Jason Smith
for some games it needs to to keep the playerbase
Nicholas Young
user stop speaking in buzzwords, I have no idea what you're saying.
Connor Rivera
Can you cite a SINGLE example of this that is not from a game that's already F2P?
Andrew Murphy
i don't even understand where are you going with this. do you?
Jeremiah Howard
God bless America
Chase Myers
BING BING WAHOO
Asher Collins
It is a pure slippery slope.
Aaron Jackson
>will move on to other games oh no what horror
Jack Smith
>it can maximize content in certain situations The point of microtransactions, specifically lootbox microtransactions is to mazimize profit on content you already have, not the otherway around.
>let's say someone buys 500 dollars in skins, that's equivalent for 50 people paying for a map pack or expansion
Which in your mind incentivizes making map packs and expansions, instead of more skins. Despite the fact that the latter is what brings in profits.
>this is a benefit to the vast majority of gamers, Tell that to sportsfags.
Xavier Baker
Good. I hope they do it for DLCs too
Jose Taylor
What are you even talking about?
Nolan Perry
>no user you don't understand we need those lootboxes or else we won't be able to give you another round of skins and one new map every eight months I really hope you're being paid.
Just bringing up the fact that your taste in games is akin to nintendies.
Benjamin Robinson
No it isn't. At least not the P2P ones.
Wyatt Lewis
>oh no think of the poor arcade machines no one plays at fucking arcades anymore kill yourself retard, you've probably never used an arcade machine
Jeremiah Ward
Most games with cash shops and microtransactions still charge for expansion packs though.
Ethan Phillips
is free to play not a good enough example
why did you just brush off the biggest evidence
Thomas Walker
Consider me fully baited. Why do you put bad thoughts in my head. i'm sad about young people who's first game was a free to play mobile app that shits meaningless rewards at them for pressing anywhere on the screen. This wrecks the development of the brain.
>you get less content because the devs have less money to make games Any dev who would pass those costs down to consumers is already offering such a weak value/$ that nothing will be lost. You'd think, after the crippling of mainstream piracy, the effective death of video game rentals, the massive growth in the market, the normalization of paying for online service etc., we'd have more content in a $60 game but the opposite is true. You get less than you did 15 years ago PLUS real money shops in $60 video games.
If you think you should be considerate of their bottom line you've got a mad case of Stockholm Syndrome.
how did you come to that conclusion? i don't even play platformers much, but shouldn't you take a step back when disregarding entire genre? maybe take a full walk, this place gets you wrong
Justin Roberts
Because then you'll inevitably cite TF2/CSGO and try to be smug because there's no real way to disprove that despite it being fairly obvious those games are funded by Steam's profits instead of their own.
Nathaniel Allen
if retards buy a shit ton of skins you might not have to pay for map packs or expansions
If a game is so shit that the faggot players need a new costume to dress their character up in every week to keep the game alive, then the lazy cunt developers should not be given the opportunity to create such an effortless piece of shit and be rewarded for it again.
Benjamin Garcia
it means there is a chance for you to get free content
the people who sell micro transactions need you to play their game, if no one plays the game there is no one there to buy the cosmetics
they need to make content otherwise people won't stick around to buy the cosmetics, this in turn funds more content
Levi Barnes
>No Casino
Wtf. Imagine gambling your millions in black jack and roulette or poker.
If I list all their points, then they are all wrong!
Kayden Nguyen
that isn't always the case, why do you have to exaggerate and not be logical about it, you lose in the end
Juan Moore
Still asking for an example.
Cooper Bailey
>not a new IP
Brody Martin
In reality it means the content will be tilted in favor of skins, because that's where their money comes from
Jaxson Davis
unnesasary distinction, it can work in both systems
Gavin Cooper
maybe try playing a different game once in a while
Samuel Harris
It's the case more often than not. >why do you have to exaggerate and not be logical about it, you lose in the end This applies to you more than it does to him.
Jaxson Powell
No it's shit content made to keep the trademill going forever. I don't want it, i want one game with everything in it and later we get another game which is a different game and so on.
Justin White
amazing how literally none of them have a response to this
Ayden Russell
>unnesasary
Why is it always the ESLs who are the biggest shills for microtransactions? I mean imagine being so retarded you think there's no meaningful distinction between games that are free to play vs games that people are already spending money in order to even play them.
I could cite fortnite and pubg as well that has quite a lot of content
the microtransactions fund the content, which incentivise people to keep playing which in turn, incentivises them to buy more microtransactions
David Watson
Most games with lootbox bullshit aren't indie though.
John Sanchez
>Why is it always the ESLs who are the biggest shills for microtransactions? EA is literally, unironically funded by Germans and other europoors buying lootboxes in FIFA. They could give away every game they make except FIFA entirely for free and still make a profit because Europeans just buy that many lootboxes. Euroshitters - not Japs, not American whales - are the biggest gachawhores on the face of the Earth.
Jose Green
They're the biggest gacha suckers and waifufags. There's no way they can give up ungodly amounts of money to a single thing for almost nothing in return and not feel like utter trash without godlike mental gymnastics.
Levi Fisher
neither of those games have added any content but skins since release congrats on proving yourself wrong retard
Ethan Thompson
>quite a lot of content >literally all just skins
Ryder King
look at some of the biggest games in the current climate
doesn't take a fucking genius to realise fortnite gets pretty substantial content
and I haven't spent a single cent on it
Nathaniel Rogers
How so? Hilarious if true
Owen Davis
look at the top 10 games by playerbase
Sebastian Parker
>Ubisoft, EA, Activision and KrMMOs will die Fixed that for you. We used to have a healthy middle market of small Devs and publishers in-between the bedroom coders and AAA giants. This will hopefully bring back that market share without having to rely on crowd funding as without microtransactions a lot of more modest investments look appealing once more.
You would realise this if you actually understood economics, were born before the 90s and didn't get all your arguments from meme ball comics.
Dylan Bell
Fortnite is free to play and doesn't have loobtoxes. PUBG has made so much money from sales alone that they could fund development for the next 5 years and still make more profit without lootbox jewery than the average AAA game.
John Hall
Google would discontinue it like they did to other google products.
>Sony hiding in a corner >Square Enix, Microsoft, and Nintendo all revealing a shitload of games >THQ Nordic buying up a bunch of old IPs and remastering, remaking, or continuing them >Lootbox ban on the horizon and shills out in full force with pure terror It's a great time to be alive.
John Barnes
I'm engaged when i play Pong. I don't need to be playing pong everyday what's wrong with you?
Elijah Campbell
They only need to make the bare minimum of non cosmetic content to keep players engaged, while the vast majority of content ends up being skins because that's what makes money.
William Martin
literally wrong
Levi Rodriguez
>WE NEED LOOTBOXES BECAUSE FORTNITE HAS MORE PLAYERS THAN PONG unironically what the fuck dude
Oliver Thompson
Imagine being this retarded.
Henry King
It's good that it is broadly defined. Give me one legitimate reason why there shouldn't be laws against gambling and gacha, I know it's Japanese for something else but it literally sounds like "gatcha moron, try again gimme more money if you want that sonic doll to show your frieeeends :::)" fuck you
Jordan Mitchell
He's not wrong though. Majority of Fortnite's post release content has been cosmetics.
I haven't played them in months it's just an example of what's possible with a cosmetic system
William Williams
Who gives a shit about a 1970s pinball cabinet? Just charge by the time they play, not per game
Thomas Scott
see:
Blake Hall
it isn't getting updates, so no one wants to play it, starting to make sense now
William Long
So capitalism is bad now? This bill is blatantly anti capitalist. If you don't like loot boxes, then why not vote with your wallets? Oh wait, could it be you're a minority in the consumer market? Call me a corporate shill if you want, but this is reminiscent of what happened when a vocal minority (feminists and sjws) pushed their will on everyone else. You all are a vocal minority, and are pushing you will on others.
Sebastian King
Can we expand it to cover ALL microtransactions in games targeted to kids?
Girlfriend's 12 year old has spent over $500 on Fortnite.
Anthony Powell
Are you literally retarded?
Bentley Perry
>one map with a few different guns >a lot of content Holy shit are you even 18?
James Foster
>not a new IP
Christian Howard
If Fortnite is enabled by a cosmetic system then a cosmetic system enables shit ass game that never end. Fuck this shit.
Camden Jones
Seethe, bootlicker.
Jayden Collins
25, would you rather pay for a 10 dollar map pack or let retards buy skins
Jackson Cooper
So underage gambling laws are also anti capitalist?
Robert Cook
I'd take the fucking map pack. Also Fortnite doesn't have map packs, it has exactly one map.
