Define what an RPG is

But first tell me what's the console or handheld generation the Switch is

Not Cyberpunk 2077

Dungeons and Dragons and its progeny

Mario is an RPG

some nerd shit. seriously who gives a crap. "RPG" is not a certificate that some games "deservere" or not.

Role-playing games are games in which players assume the roles of fictional characters and collaboratively create stories. Players determine the actions of their characters based on their characterization, and the actions succeed or fail according to a system of rules and guidelines. Within the rules, players can improvise freely; their choices shape the direction and outcome of the games.

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Real RPG: Player freedom
NuRPG: Linear story

so why jrpgs are considered rpgs?

>but not always

The fact that we've gotten to this point shows that the genre has lost all meaning.

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The key to understanding the debacle that are modern JRPGs is to realize that role-playing took ages to arrive in Japan, and was largely ignored even when it did. D&D; took almost a decade to be brought over, at which point the Japanese had already been playing western-made dungeon crawlers for several years.

That fact alone explains everything. You see Western developers have always been aware of the nature of role-playing, so at least they've always known what they should be aiming for. Granted, they messed up big-time (there's no technical reason why CRPGs with extensive dialogue trees like Torment couldn't have appeared back in the mid-'80s -- no reason why it took over a decade for them to start getting made), but one has to acknowledge the enormous difficulty of the task; and besides it is true that even the most trashy late-'80s early-'90s CRPGs contained at least a few moments which could, perhaps, by making appropriate allowances for the challenges presented by the electronic medium, be considered as actual role-playing.

But the Japanese designers who set out to make their own CRPGs had no such understanding. They played Wizardry and other early dungeon-crawlers, and then sat down in smoke-filled izakayas and exclaimed, "So this is what a role-playing game is then!"

Rather RPG has been slapped on every game the last 10 years for marketing

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Is veganism an RPG?

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you chose a role for your character or characters will to play as, and equipt and build them to make that set up work. Everything else is just execution.

We didn't arrive here, it was like that since the early 80's because you had western and japanese RPG's developing separately and having vastly different priorities, along with hybrid genres like action RPG's. Roleplaying simulation has also become an extremely autistic idea detached from its origin. Like what, am I meant to take COYA style branching narratives as true roleplaying while playing a multiplayer action game where each player has a class and a role in combat not true despite the latter being far closer to actual real life roleplaying games, instead of a shitty imitation of some aspects of it?

a game with character stats

For video games specifically, RPGs were originally distinguished for hallmark mechanics such as turn-based combat, character/stat building and the ability to explore or backtrack on the overworld map. Whenever a game deviated from turn-based combat, we called it an "Action RPG".

Nowadays, the waters have been so muddied that it's much more difficult to determine what genre any supposedly "RPG" game would belong to. Most games that try to claim this mantle are often more accurately Adventure games, but might brand themselves as an RPG for marketing purposes. Other games such as Cyberpunk 2077 repurposed themselves as something else entirely, either due to changed mechanics or the developers perhaps feeling that designation to be no longer appropriate.

Essentially, RPG has become something of an outdated term in the industry. Nobody has a clear idea of where to draw the line anymore.

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The problem is also that devs can't seem to tell the difference between "RPG" and "RPG inspired" anymore.

Most genre titles are fairly bad if you look at them prescriptively. In general genre is prescriptive so it derives more meaning from how it's used rather than the definitions of the words it contains. Look into descriptive vs. prescriptive because it's very much the former.

RPG was originally used to refer to pen and paper games in which roleplaying a character was a central element. Games copied mechanics other than roleplaying, but still associated with RPGs so they kept using that genre title.

All genre labels are basically slang meant for shorthand organization or classification anyway. There's not much of a point trying to drill down into what they "mean" when genre is just "well, it ticks some but not all of these boxes of things associated with what people call this genre" to begin with. Especially when two games in the same genre can be so different.

Its whatever you don't like it to be.

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Not before marriage, user.

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You level up stats and make the numbers bigger.

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Stats

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an RPG has to have a story, you play a character that interacts directly with that story, and you, the player, interact with your character in some meaningful way, usually via stats and skill selection

"RPG" also inherently just means "role-playing game". It made sense when the term was applied to pen and paper games where it originated, but damn near EVERY videogame has you roleplaying a character so it was pretty obsolete to begin with. The true redpill here is that it was always a marketing ploy, and not actually a real genre in and of itself.

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Well you do roleplay as Mario, so you're technically right.

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I've never sen an intelligent thread here, period.

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