DOOOOOOOM

>>bullet sponges that have to ask an AI management system if they are ALLOWED to attack the player right now
That's pretty fucking basic for any game that frequently takes control away from the player for any reason. If you could die during glory kills then it upends the entire flow of combat and renders them useless anyways (as most people only bother with them on low health). Would you prefer to have no glory kills (and have to pick up health off random enemies/hidden spots in the map) or just regenerating health like a shitty brown cover shooter that they desperately steered the game away from being?

I wish fake leakers would just infodump instead of begging for attention through "AMAs"

Because it's more fun that way, rather than just dumping it all out at once.

>Would you prefer to have no glory kills (and have to pick up health off random enemies/hidden spots in the map)
uh fucking DUH

iirc he has canonically died and was sent to hell, which you can probably guess how that turned out.

I'll bite, why not.

Is Daisy in.
Is the giant demon fun to fight
Do we kill Hayden
Who is the voice speaking in the trailer

Ok,
So what's going for eternal at quakecon '19?

>SOMETHING COOL GETS ANNOUNCED
Yea Forums: awww jizz yeah
>Yea Forums realizes its not alone in its appraisal of said cool stuff
Yea Forums: uh, no? This Fucking sux I cannot even fathom how anyone could like this, culling zoomers, Muslim is trash and so is your opinion, why do they keep pandering by ripping off the older designs, Indy EHAT HAPPENES TO THE MULTIPLAYER??? Lol invasion, the game is just way too hard Tryon to be cool people who like this prolly never played the originals only would anyone even play this inbrutal doom, why play this if brutal doom exists, fighting heaven? That goes against my gud christmas conacience, insulated doomslayer is probably a sjw, she ruined gaming, GETTING SHOT OUT OF A CANNON????????

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>Yea Forums
>we hate absolutely everything unless it's nintendoshit

>Is Daisy in.
Yes, but as a guiding spirit, similar to that green wolf we saw in the trailer, they're Familiars made of Purified(Good) Argent energy and are linked to the Night Sentinels.

>Is the giant demon fun to fight
Somewhat, You have to blind it's eyes with rockets and collapse a building on it.

>Do we kill Hayden
No, He stays a broken mess for most of the game, asking the Doomslayer for help again.
A cliffhanger(similar set up to Doom 3 to Resurrection of Evil) sets him up as taking Seraphim's body after Doomslayer kills him.

>Who is the voice speaking in the trailer
High Priest "Why are you come here?", the rest is Seraphim.

More gameplay, this time the first level and a catch up to where we're at in the story.
Details about multiplayer and how the campaign will have it's Dark Souls style invasion system.
Normal Multiplayer coming down the road, Post Launch Story DLC(a Major want from DOOM 2016).
Ranger skin for Multiplayer.
Throughout the event they'll show off merchandise to prompt the DOOM Anniversary.

>Would you prefer to have no glory kills

yes

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didnt nu-doom say something about others that fought hell alongside with doomguy?
but some of them betrayed their kind and got corrupted by hell?
the defenders lost because one of them in particular betrayed his kind under a promise by a hell lord to have his son back which was killed in battle with hell but he was tricked and his son was twisted and resurrected as the Icon of Sin demon which you fight in the old doom games
well the guy in op picture seems to be one of these guys who betrayed their kind and sided with hell

idk if all this makes sense I should really replay nu-doom before eternal comes out

Any word on how many PLAYABLE Demons there are or is it just Mancubus and Revenant?

Also I noticed the Prowler from the first game's MP is now a normal enemy in the campaign, did they add the Harvester too?

Cringe.

Marauder is revealed to be Billie Blaze. Slayer is Billy Blaze.

As far as I know the majority of demons are playable, minor ones aren't. It's VERY Left 4 Dead in terms of Gameplay.

>finally beat the marauder after several boss fights over the course of the game
>player activates glory kill as usual
>doomguy's hands falter for the first and last time before resuming and killing her

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Well, leaker at least lines up with what we have seen so far

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Any other questions?

Who is the Marauder?
What other places can we expect to go?
What's the absent weapon on the wheel during the E3 gameplay showcase?

Heaven would never deny a warrior of Christ.

will be in the game

Is original character customization in MP like the first game? Loved making demonic and cyborg characters, etc.

Since demons are getting throwback designs akin to Doom1/Doom2, are they going to include the new Doom 2016 designs as well? Is the Spider Mastermind returning like the Cyberdemon in a classic design?

is the arch vile just a boss or a recurring enemy? does he have all his old abilities (near insta kill line of sight shot and reviving demons)

>blade is the same runes as the one that pops out of the crucible
What does it mean and why couldn't Doom Slayer use that but Hayden could?

>Who is the Marauder?
Heavily implied to be the/a Ranger from Quake(Q1 only, The Axe and super shotgun) and made to mock the Doomslayer. A lot of Quake 1 is merged with D:E in term of mythos and the occult nature.

>What other places can we expect to go?
In Order:
-Mars
-Mars's moons, Phobos and Deimos
-Earth
-Hell (Soul Cube easter egg found)
-Reborn D'Nur, NS homeworld
-Heaven
-The Astral Rip.

>What's the absent weapon on the wheel during the E3 gameplay showcase?
-Upgraded BFG
-Crucible weapon paths
-Several new demon weapons, The Unmaker from D64 is seen in the NS trophy room, not usable.
-Night Sentinel blade gun thing.

Atm, it's just skins for Slayer and Demons.

They're all pseudo Mini bosses, same hype the The Revenant got in DOOM 2016

I hope angels actually look biblical, so the desings are all on par with classic doom.

Horse legs and human tops? So we should be expecting wheels with faces?

>I'm also curious as to just who the fuck he is since he's wearing the same kind of armor and has the same shotgun as Doomguy
It's the invader character.

Crash and Phobos will be in the game?
Will be available a prequel story style?

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Quake 1 lore? Hmmmm, not sure how that fits in

How does the sword work?

Is hud customizable?

They already did though?
The angels that helped him were all exiled.

Pretty sure it obvious but do we use the BFG 10000 to blow a hole in Mars?

I am looking forward to what the Slayer is going tro do against the angels

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He's the son the doomslayer betrayed argent d'nur to resurrect.

Do we kill any of the leaders of hell?

is the doom slayer the same doomguy from doom 1, 2 and 64?

What is going on here, this is like in space

God.

>needing a questional leaker to confirm something flat out confirmed in doom 2016's in-game lore already

Forgot my pic.

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>It says in the text that the son became the icon of sin
>Doom slayer is obviously doomguy from 1/2/64 and not the betrayer
Double retard

No.

I didn't ask you bub

an angel, any angel. i hope its like bayonetta where angels are just as fucked up as hellspawn

You are talking about Seraphim as if he was present in the game but in reality Seraphim is the player guiding DoomSlayer throu his powers..

>we were Seraphim all along
Kino.

scratch that.. just read the are gonna use Seraphim as entity in Doom Eternal. my bad. previous post is still true tho.

top left corner is Seraphim.

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Actual id user here, sorry for the wait

>Is daisy in?
Yes, but as an echo fighter

>Is the giant demon fun to fight?
I think this will be a controversal move, but we made a concious effort to make him as unfun to fight as possible for the sake of realism.

>Do we kill Hayden?
You kill the arch-vile he turns into.

>Who is the voice speaking in the trailer?
God. jk thats the guy we hired to voice doomguy.

Honestly can't imagine the aggressive demons being so terrified of this guy that they seal him up in a box and write a prophecy and everything.

i played the first nudoom on the hardest difficulty and it was too slow and easy. i really wish doomguy moved faster. i know he didn't really move at Ranger speed originally but the new arena-style layout makes it so boring when you can't go fast. i even played with a controller to try to handicap myself and make it more fun but it was still too easy considering i don't have retard thumbs like most of the people here. the new movement options look cool but his base movespeed still looks really slow

God needs to do some spring cleaning then

he goes to Hell, kills the Jew-Lord and makes it a better a place

this is Seraphim in Doom Eternal

fueled by rage. doom1, doom2, doom64 are all cannon. doom64 ending explains it nicely afterwards there is a gap we only hear about from codexs etc. where doomguy joins the night sentinels and becomes doom slayer and somewhere afterwards you have the coffin he gets sealed into. vague description but imagine hearing for ages that there is a entity coming to get you that is tearing jaws and spines from your demon buddys.

Just a heads up that the big red lava looking dudes with the blade arms are called "Barons of Flame".

will the normal barons of hell make a return? They were my favorite in 2016

Pretty safe to assume considering they've been in all the games bar 3

Also Nightmare Imps are back

those where prowlers not nightmare imps

is Harvester back?

>Would you prefer to have no glory kills
Can't the glory kills be turned off in the menu?

>Doom slayer is obviously doomguy from 1/2/64
this shit again. also 64 isn't canon and is trash

overall i really dislike the inclusion of this dude: it looks terribad and the "doom guy gone demon" is just a boring idea.

WHO THE FUCK WAS HE BROS? I HAVE TO KNOW. ITS DRIVING ME CRAZY AFTER ALL THESE YEARS

All of them. There's a reason it's called doom. Cos doom is upon all scum of hell and heaven.

I wanna fight the Shambler from Quake 1

>He actually liked having to drop everything he's doing in order to run up to every single fagball that's flashing blue/orange he sees to do one of like 3 different melee finishers on before they stop flashing and get a small heal
Keep them in if you want just don't make them actually important on higher difficulties.

Whatever your opinion is. The Betrrayer cannot be Doomslayer. The E3 2019 trailer debunked this by depicting the Betrayer's Ghost on the throne of the Night Sentinals.

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Add a fire/liquid nitrogen shoulder launcher. One gives armor/one gives health when you kill enemies marked by it.
There you go, health and armor pickups without breaking the flow of combat.

seraphim represents the player

Also I meant to tag not

that dude look like

...Now that I think about it....the Betrayer does look like the Marauder in the OP image holy shit.

read the followup post mate.

previous post*

>also 64 isn't canon and is trash

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UH OH SOMEONE LACKS READING COMPREHENSION!!!!!!

what kind of merch is gonna be out at doomcon? any figures?

This guy will be fun to fight
>Flying
>Double chainsaw
>Demonic cannon
>Machine guns (?) on his flying underside
>Half deformed skele

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soulcube already was in doom 2016

Doomguy is Jewish

Literally just shoot that big ass yellow power cell a million times because the BFG can't do much damage.

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Is this a baron brought back to life with machinery? He just got pale is all.

>bringing up muslims out of nowhere
lol are you a replacement migration advocate or a shitskin?

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that helmet is off in scaling. nor is it properly scaled to the rest of the armor nor is it true to its game source.

>enemies have weak points and can be disarmed

explain how eternal isnt perfect

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>That's pretty fucking basic for any game that frequently takes control away from the player for any reason. If you could die during glory kills then it upends the entire flow of combat and renders them useless anyways
I won't get a (You) because I'm late but it's EXACTLY what Serious Sam BFE did. you are NOT invincible during melee kills, but in exchange some enemies can be killed without having to damage them.
and that's exactly how it should be instead of "punch every demon pinata for health candies".

thanks for better point of view. eitherway i have the same opinion. whole figure is about true to Doom Eternal but his helmet which are missing marks etc. also it needs to be scale about 5mm overall. width is the most obvious one.still a great figure

>disarmed
Wait where was this shown and how is this done?

>64 isn't canon
>64 is trash
mental midget

also the front side part of the helmet is straight. should be curved like pic related. either a design mistake or a compromise for 3d printing.

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you shoot their weapon and it makes a ping noise. its in some of the new e3 gameplay.

just to add to previous posts. helmet is from older designs while whole body is from Doom Eternal. Quake Champions doomslayer classic skin has the same helmet as does figure you posted. add marks, add scratches etc and make curviture at the part of the helmet where lower jaw is.

The worst part about SS3's melee animations was how jarring the sudden screen movement was, especially with the small spider-like enemies. I don't suffer from motion sickness but god damn if it wasn't disorienting

>Would you prefer to have no glory kills
yes, you can literally remove stuff from the game and improve it but even if you could boil it down to just the basic running and gunning it would still be shit because they fucked up even that

This is worse than gory kills.

Platforming sections.

amazing thread rabbi
50 sheckles deposited in your account

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What the fuck is Doom 64 doing there?

its shown on the e3 demo multiple times
e.g. shooting the top mounted canon off the spider demon

Being it's own game instead of a port of Doom or Doom 2

>we will never have a dark and gritty doom like Doom 3 ever again

It's over bros, now it's just this silly "Heaven and hell" cartoony bullshit.

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I love the detail of the bolted on plates where the ab window used to be.

Hell levels was the best parts of D3.

Is the White Demon/Angel in the box art the new Icon of Sin?

Doom 3 sucked. Unironically it sucked.

I unironicaly prefer Doom's 3 slow more horror focused gameply over Doom's fast pace guns blazing gameplay.

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Doom 3 was maximum spook. A simple imp was enough to be frightening.

I'm surprised how well doom 1 holds up. very enjoyable. Hope they add more demons when playing at a higher difficulty in eternal

Chronicle makes good stuff. The paintwork isn't up to par with my 150 dollar anime titty figures, but they're good for what you pay for. I'm glad The Slayer is getting figures.

You mean the stuff that's been there since day 1?

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heaven was never "there" since day 1. human doing stupid shit and opening doors to hell was there from day 1. the only heavnly stuff that was there was Seraphim and he was first mention in nuDoom as a entity that guided Doomguy in doom1, doom2, doom64 to the point when he became Doomslayer. Seraphim which is the only heavnly entity in lore will be in Doom Eternal. not there from day 1 so to speak.

I guess I didn't explain myself properly. I mean just look at the difference in designs

Nu-Doom is "cartoon demon from cartoon hell", Doom 3 was industrial body horror.

You sucked.

Yeah, there was something about Doom 3 that was pretty cool.

Yep, agreed.

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Eternal is basically adapting Doom 2 to modern graphics, which means over-the-top shit. You could liken it to 40k somewhat.

Good point, frankly It never bothered me until you pointed it out and I do agree with you on that the industrial body horror of D3 is more eye catching but since it never really bothered me while playing nu-doom I'm going to deem both art styles as good.

So you're mad that they mentioned Heaven in a game with clear supernatural, Biblically-thematic elements? Alright.

if he gets killed he just respawns
you think its just a gameplay mechanic, but its canon lore

Is this corrupted Doomguy from an alternative Earth?

Doom Slayer IS the betrayer of heaven, retard. If you're gonna LARP as a leaker then do it right.

>They're not your people to save!
I mean, did Doomguy ever cared about saving anyone? Alll he wants is to kill demons, the fact that by doing it he saves the world is a pure coincidence

Doom 3 is not Doom.

Here's an idea: just don't use them. Fucking crazy, I know.

Neither is Doom 2016, Redditor

Yes, he saves himself and Hayden in Doom 2016. You may say it's a coincidence, but he basically follows instructions from an AI instead of going rampant.

It's the entire reason he does it. Remember in Doom 2 how he stayed behind to stop the demons long enough for Earth to be evacutated?

What do you think happens to the doomguys that die? Exactly. Either that or it's just the same suit, it's not like he wears a particularly unique looking suit.

Because in the earlier games it felt like the so called "demons" were really just creatures from another dimension or planet that were merely referred as demons. Now with Eternal they're basically going "ok, there is a biblical heaven and hell and they fight against each other in an eternal war", most fiction are ambiguous about this, Silent Hill, Event Horizon, etc.

That's a Necron Destroyer

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I remember him staying behind to kill more demons, if humans evacuated or not it wasn't his problem

We also saw Doomguy with the Crucible

Only because the AI tells him how to get to where he can kill more demons

That system runs even without glory kills. Enemies are always pacing themselves so you don't get overwhelmed

i like the contrast. it was just a matter of time when they introduced heavenly side. before that it was just hell/demonic powers and biomechanical mixed with that. and believe me this is coming from a guy who had doom1 on a floppy diskettes.

They were actually very risky on higher difficulties, so I only ever used them if there was only one or two enemies left in a fight. The other enemies aren't on pause as the glory kill happens, so any projectiles heading your way or imps that were near you might hit you when the animation is done. On nightmare, it's basically a 50/50 chance of actually ending up with a net negative of HP after a kill for this reason. And about 1/5 times, you'll actually take enough damage to die because you stopped to do a glory kill. Not worth it and the glory kills are merely a crutch for casuals who play on easy.

Is the invasion system similar in soulsborne games? Will players have the option to turn invasions off?

>The other enemies aren't on pause as the glory kill happens
They are, though.

Neither is Doom II, Tumblrina

I should rewatch for that.

They literally aren't though.

It's not the Crucible, it's a completely different design.

They said you can disable it if you want.

whatever way they coded it, you can still get hit the moment you come out of a glory kill and there's nothing you can do it about it other than not glory kill

They literally are though.
I'm more inclined to believe a developer's GDC talk than some user.

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We've already seen invasions dummies, it's fucking verses mode.

The energy blade is very similar, wouldn't be surprised if Hayden modified it to use it

Not related, but here's some other stuff about the combat

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Not that user, but I literally opened the game just now to test this and the enemies do keep moving and firing at you. You get iframes, but as he said, the enemies are not on pause and you can get hit by projectiles that were fired DURING the kill. That slide says nothing about pausing the other enemies as the animation plays.

Yes. I mean, the dudes was born in 2000-ish and Eternal takes place in 225?. It's clear he is immortal.

You got any proof of this? Because I was able to get mostly Slayer medals in arcade mode just by glory killing everything.

how the fuck does one compare doom to chess?
fuck them hard, i'm off to play vidyas

Battlemode is not invasion

If you're referring to the "combat pause" part, you're still wrong. All this means is that melee enemies like imps won't hit you while the animation plays because it could cause clipping and bugs. They will MOVE towards you though and hit you as the animation ends, without you having a way to avoid it.

I have a great game for you it's called EverySingleShooterFrom1991to2005

It's the replacement.

Just start the game up for yourself and test it. Much easier than me recording videos and uploading them just to prove shit to you.

Stick to your baby's first system shock and stay away from shooters you fucking cretin.

The game is balanced around them though, at least Doom 2016 is.

If you're stuck in a multi-wave arena, most ammo pick-ups are going to be from glory kills. It's not like classic Doom where the game balances its enemy placements/waves with environmental placements of ammo/health in mind. Not to mention that unless you're wasting more ammo by not killing off an enemy with a glory kill than if you use one. If you get an enemy to glow yellow (meaning they're ready for a glory kill) and you don't do the glory kill, you have to keep shooting them until they die. It's an extra inefficiency.

You literally cannot play Doom 2016 like classic Doom.

youtu.be/2KQNpQD8Ayo?list=WL&t=2048
>AI are not allowed to start a new attack while the player is in a glory kill

No evidence.

Watch the quakecon demo you fucking moron.

>The game is balanced around them though

I see this claim often yet I've finished several Nightmare runs using the glory kills around half a dozen times during the entire playthrough. Maybe you just need to git gud?

That's literally what I just said. Are you just confirming my posts? Thanks for looking out for me, user.

There has been no mention of invasions since E3. It's not even mentioned on the Steam page.

Regular glory kills don't even give ammo. Those are chainsaw kills, and I almost never have to use the chainsaw after a few ammo upgrades. I do think the ammo capacity should be larger right from the get-go, but you can basically stop using the chainsaw completely around 1/3 of the way through the game if you invest into ammo capacity.

There aren't any hitscan attacks in the game aside from the shotgunner, so you can still avoid those fireballs as the enemies re-target you.

Avoid them how? Pick a random movement key and wish upon a star or do you play with fucking 200 fov?

I asked you for evidence. Just because they don’t reveal anything new doesn’t mean they are dropping it. We saw the enemy type used for an invading player in the trailer as well.
Here’s an article detailing the two.
comicbook.com/gaming/2019/06/16/doom-eternal-ps4-xbox-pc-switch-stadia-dlc/
Battlemode is a multiplayer gamemode. Invasions happen during the campaign.

Will the "mortally challenged" joke be in the final game?

They all travel linearly, so moving in any direction perpendicular to them will work. The AI is designed to purposely miss you if you circle strafe them.

what happens after doom guy kills every demon ?

He wakes up and realizes that he'll never be done.

What happened to Doom being an action game?

Must everything have RPG mechanics now? Why can't my super shotgun feel perfect right from the get go? Why must it start off weak before I find arbitrary upgrade stations to make it actually feel powerful?

They actually changed some of that in patches. Can't say for sure about the glory kills, but right after that he talks about target leading and enemies missing on purpose if you're moving. This is definitely no longer the case, as all enemies with projectile attacks will lead you and even follow the arc of your jump in order to land accurate shots. It's quite possible the way glory kills work has also changed in patches.

bethesda.net/en/article/6bfwem6STCOAuGc0QuC0sg/celebrate-25-years-of-doom
slayersclub.bethesda.net/en/slayers-club-guide

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If he's one of multiple enemy types you can invade as that means he's not the invader exclusive character, just a tough enemy type you idiot. Go watch the quakecon footage.

You didn't play Doom, that's not how weapon upgrades work, especially with the super shotgun.

>I didn't play the game: the post

Why do people insist on shitposting about games they haven't played? The super shotgun can't even be upgraded using the upgrade drones. As soon as you find it it deals the maximum amount of damage per shot that it can deal.

None of the weapon upgrades are damage modifiers. They all add extra functionality to the gun, exactly the way weapon upgrades should be. Funnily enough, the SS is the only weapon that doesn't have these upgrades, so you're full of shit.

>available in the Campaign, Invasion and the unannounced multiplayer when DOOM Eternal launches.
Looks like they aren’t dropping it.
Was the unannounced multiplayer mode the stuff they showed at E3 then?

The super shotgun started crazy strong and then got genuinely broken once you got the ability to fire it twice in a row.

Doom 64 is really solid.

Final boss is dogshit though.

He can and goes to the hell many times. But the thing is that he is badass and stuff so he just eventually kills some big guy and gets out of there. When you die ingame well... you die. It ends there. The respawning mechanic isnt canon.

He may be full of shit, but the weapon upgrades carry every weapon. There's hardly any reason in using the primary fires unless you have no other option.

The Bethesda article was from December. Invasion mode isn't mentioned anywhere after the Battlemode reveal. Battlemode itself follows the same format as Invasions did at Quakecon, there is no reason to believe they're making it to the final game.

according to what?

The article I linked previously, which was published today, distinguished Battlemode and Invasions tho.

I wish his shotgun wasn’t just magically attached to his leg but instead was held their by a chain or such.
Things like that trigger me

Also tells me that Invasion is still featured in the Gamestop description of the game. Might be able to do battlemode things during invasion, but it’s not really replaced.

Doomguy is a Buddhist that's why he comes back everytime he dies.

They were always overtly satanic. I don't know where you're getting the other dimension stuff from.

This was just to advertise the games co-op

Except for the fact that the alternate fire modes are all limited in one way or another. They have cooldowns, spend a lot of ammo, limit or completely disable mobility, take time to activate, etc. The only weapon whose primary fire mod I practically ignored was the regular shotgun after I got the SS. It remained useful for the grenade launcher only, but I still used the other weapons' primary fire mode more than the alternate fire. I'm not gonna complain about the upgrades being powerful, that's what I want from them, and there are obvious trade-offs to using them.

Angels (golden demons) gave Doomguy gear to slay demons to restore balance and save mankind.
When saving manking was no long convinient for angels, they told Doomguy to fuck off.
After Doomguy refused and waged war on now both angels and demons, angels ascended a demon champion to be doomguy's equal and to kill him.
Honestly hope that they bro up, after the Demonguy find out that angels are behind all of it.

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My guy, Doom was always very explicit about its demons being from hell. All the satanic imagery in the series was never a hint for you that these are in fact the forces of literal, biblical hell?

I get the same amount of pickups on nightmare mode

Did you think they just called them "demons" and had you go to fucking HELL in every Doom game just for shits and giggles? How can you be so dense to think that the enemies in these games are DEMONS from HELL? It doesn't get any more obvious.

Retires in Florida

All Doom games always portrayed hell itself as another dimension, in Nu-Doom there is even the skeleton remains of some giant titan like it's another universe with it's own fauna system and physics. Doom 3 literally implies the hell is just another dimension and it's energy turns people into undead.
Doom novels portrayed the demons as merely aliens.
Biblical hell is a plane of existence where bad people go, you can't access it with a portal machine, dying is the only way of reaching it. Your soul goes to hell, not your body, your body is merely a vessel that stays on earth and rots away when you go to hell, anybody who read the bible knows this.

Doom 1 and 2 are obviously just a metal guy's wet dream, it has no story, it's just satanic for the sake of being satanic, but Doom 3 is actually science fiction.

That’s why he respawns. Heaven doesn’t want him and Hell is batshit scared of him so they have no choice put to send him back where he came from

I'm not a fan of the "locked in arena until demons are dead" design, but between each of the arenas there's always a bunch of ammo to find, not to mention ammo pickups around the arena itself. You could temporarily run out of ammo for a specific weapon and be forced to used the rest of your arsenal, but you have to be really terrible at this game to struggle with ammo in general. Enemies drop some ammo when you're running low, and we're talking normal kills, not glory kills.

Why can't you just think of "heaven" as yet another dimension and "angels" as creatures from said dimension? If you were willing to accept all the demonic, hellish shit that is obviously directly inspired by biblical hell and demons as "another dimension", why can't you do the same for heavenly, angelic forces?

What I was trying to say is that atheists would claim hell is just a place that has always existed and humans interacting with it in the past is why religion and myths allude to it. Whereas theists would claim hell is the proof that God is real since it's where sinners are sent.

Adding heaven actually makes it legitimately religious.

Dude relax, it's just a video game. Why is the perception of video game lore among atheists or theists even relevant here?

>doom 3

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I'd like another game like Doom 3, but not as a Doom game.

That's only a problem for people who can't see Biblical imagery without tipping.

That just sounds like bad gameplay design

That is supposed to be the way shit works: you are rushed from all directions - you pick a direction wihich to move towards that gives you tactical advantage.
>chess gameplay in a shooter
>chess gameplay
>not strategic placement
>not ammo conservation
>not environmental advantage
Fuck this shit, ill stick to Quake 2, 4 and Doom 3.

It's a high risk, high reward mechanic on UV and higher. Hardly bad design. It may save you when you see death is imminent if you DON'T use it, and it's usually not worth it if you're still doing fine on HP and armor.

>Doom 3

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Yeah it's funny, they tried to make it "more like Doom", when it was actually the most Doom-like at the start and then they moved away from that

Combat chess is just an allegory for quick, smart decision makibg including positioning, in which order to kill enemies and etc.

I don't see how that doesn't exist even if all the enemies are attacking you aggressively. It just becomes more important

>all that
While enemy AI is programmed to go easy on the player.
>we cannot have too many melee AIs rushing a player
Read that article ffs.

>tfw it is literally impossable to read any literature or look at any paintings from before 1800 because Biblical allusions give me hives.

Well, you're not wrong

>hell wasn't religious beforehand

I wanna play as this guy. He looks like he could be Doomguy’s devil trigger.

doom 3 kinda sucked because of that claustrophobic level design and encounters, the gameplay itself is identical to quake more or less and it fucking sucks that doom 4 intentionally did away with all that in favour of modern console shit

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get the fuck out of here with your pretention fake ass leaks

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they are still active and attack you but the priorities change for some enemies, for example an imp will still target and throw a fireball while you are in invincible animation state which can lead to eating a fireball as soon as it ends or being re positioned close to a zombie which will instantly slap you which can be insta-kill on nightmare, it's straight up bad game design and goes against the whole point of the system in the first place
>gdc shit
a lot of this stuff looks good on paper but in practice does not work, reading that stuff makes me think they don't understand anything about the old games and what made them work

With the exception of 2 demons, the design of the bestiary was absolute dogshit. Doom 3 only excelled in the envrioments. UAC's Sci Fi cultist science labs were fucking cool. They looked like futuristic ritual altars.

>son
Doomguy is canonically a turbowizard because his cock would destroy any mortal woman

>Hell isn't religious, only heaven is
>My personal perception of what's "good" and "bad" religion in an infantile metal power fantasy is fucking up my ability to play and enjoy a video game

Congratulations, you managed to sound like a fucking loser in a Yea Forums Doom thread.

it is very obviously balance around them not only in terms of health/armour/ammo drops but the damage and stagger too even if you purposefully avoid doing glory kills like you pretty much have to on nightmare it's still encouraged at ever step, there is no denying it

DOOM4^H combat was half Doom, half Quake Deathmatch, all awesome. the two-way portals made the arenas literal Pac-Man boards, harkening back to Wolf3D/Doom level design. it's fun as shit especially on Ultra-Nightmare Arcade, and I just hope they don't fuck it up next time and actually improve on the base game. I do wish it was PC exclusive so they could design it around that instead of sacrificing potential vision for console babbies but whatever, for a modern AAA DOOM what the fuck do you expect.

I honestly enjoy both, but my favourite Doom is probably the third. Just liked the atmosphere a lot, even though the nu-Doom is a total banger as well.

Half of its charm was seeing Doom but """realistic""".

on Ultra-Nightmare Arcade I use glory kills with the +distance +speed runes basically for mobility, occasional fight pacing, and occasional small health boost. I'm in top 100 on PC on the first and second levels. shit is kino as fuck. anyone who doesn't like glory kills played on too easy of a difficulty and/or is a turbosperg who is so used to QTE gameplay despite pretending to be teh hardcorez gaemer that they're literally incapable of seeing the GK outline without immediately pressing melee every single time

He cared about VEGA

>half Doom, half Quake Deathmatch
it is not remotely like either of those things
>for a modern AAA DOOM what the fuck do you expect.
I expected them to go back to basics, running gunning simple puzzle stuff in the form of secrets and keys, levels that are actual levels and enemies that can create flexible and dynamic combat
Doom 4 is none of that, it's just a disposable megabudget overdesigned gimmick fueled abortion of a game and the sequel is just more of the same

Battlemode is not Invason, they are separate, but I can understand the confusion.

>that symbol on the throne it's the same as shoulder. Look closer.

>Why do people insist on shitposting about games they haven't played?
you're on Yea Forums thats why
on a shit board that hardly likes any games

Did you even play the game? Oh wait

Are “tha graphiccs” to blame? Like the game looks phenomenal and runs at a solid 60 on consoles but I was weirded out when I first heard about snapmap monster limits. It made me wary of what other corners they have to cut for gameplay because consoles are insanely substandard performance wise, mainly so now.
The aesthetic, music, the “feel of being the Doom Slayer” is fun for a few hours but that novelty doesn’t last the whole game.

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>he is ranger
Oh fuck you all

I dunno for consoles maybe but it was a conscious decision either way
personally I don't give a shit about graphics, it's the gameplay and design that is fucked up, It's just straight up not an id software game.

>the story trailer choir screams “Rip and Tear”
Mick you fucking son of a bitch

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Reminder that doomguy is canonical Catholic

it lasted the whole game for me because when you get to the Hell levels you're just starting to get fatigued by the game and then suddenly it's DOOM again. the final boss was kind of underwhelming but it came RIGHT as I was actually getting bored with the game for real (at release before Arcade Mode). it's a really good game, solid 8/10 minimum but personal 10/10 for me despite it's glaring flaws (once they added the centered viewmodel option). runes are cool but it's bullshit that there's no "all runes" mode, hell they should just be permanent upgrades anyways, Doom Slayer feels really good to control but once you get the air control rune it feels amazing, and it sucks shit to give up that rune slot to something else

I think I liked DOOM4^H so much because it exceeded my extremely low expectations in so many ways, while feeling like DOOM to me while still starting to flesh out a new identity for the modern iteration of the franchise.

when I want to play DOOM I play fucking DOOM, a game like DOOM will never get made again and that's ok, there's infinite fan content to discover to this day. I dont expect nudoom to scratch that exact itch, in a modern AAA game ffs

>Doom Slayer fighting Angels

I hate zoomers so god damn motherfucking much.
Hugo Martin would never do that. He's probably a bigger fanboy than anyone in this thread and he is vehement that Doom Slayer is the closest a human will ever get to being Righteous.

>Heavily implied to be the/a Ranger from Quake
That's seriously the best you could come up with?

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>Jewish ancestry
>family rejects tribe to become Catholic
>becomes autistically unkillable slayer of evil that strikes fear into demonkind
truly /ourguy/

Always post this picture afterwards please.

Zoomers and Youtubers are so braindead they claim those faces are different.
This pic always shuts their worthless mouth.

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>Angels
>Righteous
Lmao

Hey retard. Get some reading comprehension.
You are literally too stupid for me to even argue with.

need a comparison to the QC face

That’s the thing: How much of these gameplay design choices are the result of trying to maintain the look and framerate? The snapmap monster limit was a conscious decision because they wanted consoles to maintain 60 frames.

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Hey, sweetie, you're implying that angels are inherently good, therefore Doomguy is being righteous for having the same goals as them, which is killing demon scum. Well they are fucking not. They are not righteous in their goals and they are not inherently good, they are just another xeno interdimensional scum

people can shit on QC all they want but it's characterization of Ranger and additional hints of Quake lore are fucking awesome

I want more and I want to see the modern literal Lovecraft world he came from before entering the slipgate

>Doomguy became the bane of demonic existance
>BJ is the german boogeyman
>Meanwhile Ranger gets shit upon him by the Elder Gods who torment him for an eternity in a endless arena filled with vore scalies and shit netcode

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>t. too old to get combo kill frags on the reg so he blames it on netcode

NO RETARD

YOU HAVE SCHIZOPHRENIA

DOOMGUY IS CLOSE TO BEING RIGHTEOUS BUT HE IS NOT

GO FUCKING LOOK UP HUGO MARTIN INTERVIEWS

THIS IS NOT AN ARGUMENT

I AM GIVING ORDERS TO A RETARD
I DON'T EXPECT THEM TO BE FOLLOWED

>it lasted the whole game for me because when you get to the Hell levels you're just starting to get fatigued by the game and then suddenly it's DOOM again
>and then suddenly it’s DOOM again
Idk what that means. First foray into hell was where it peaked for me and then sort of stayed there: The combat didn’t get anymore interesting beyond that point, and the “exploration” segments seemed digital and ‘by the numbers’; it made combat and encounters feel more like a gameplay ‘switch’ as opposed to part of the level.
There’s just something that feels off and weird with NuDoom: I love Doom, I rediscovered how awesome Quake was, I’m a small Painkiller fan, by all accounts I should love this game.

>people can shit on QC all they want but it's characterization of Ranger and additional hints of Quake lore are fucking awesome
>”am looking for my family :((“
How is this “fucking awesome”? 10 year olds write this kind of stuff.

I'm not that user but Quake Champions is genuinely coded like shit. All the talent at id was intentionally placed on other projects.

He might actually be shit but the netcoding is still bad wether you delude yourself or not.

>I've seen some shit

Reminds me of a strogg tank.

it has been bad and once a week or so I get a game with unplayable lag out of nowhere but it's generally fine and plays fine. it's the best worst game of all time imo, I love playing it and I love what they did with the characters and lore, but the menus, f2p systems, constant progression resetting and occasional netcode issues hold it back. deathmatch is addictive as shit though it's too bad i think i'm the only one on this board who genuinely enjoys it and wishes it was better

look ok i'm a sucker for literal Delta Green fanfiction, it was kind of always the Q1 vibe but fleshing it out for QC was cool and decently well-written for being completely unnecessary

I'm really new to FPS and need some recs
>I liked Doom 2016
>Didn't enjoy Quake very much
>The only original Doom mission I liked was Dead Simple
>Hated Overwatch
>Borderlands was alright but not solo

>I liked Doom 2016
>The only original Doom mission I liked was Dead Simple
Give Serious Sam and Painkiller a try.

It's player 2 you dummy

Thanks user, what are the best ones in those series'?

First & Second Encounter for Serious Sam. It doesn't matter if you play classic or HD, HD is 90% the same.

The marauder is that old guy on the throne and the hologram. They're wearing the same armor. It's like Ghost Rider, there's multiple ones. The old king guy is the old doom slayer.

AAAAHHHHHHH I WANNA CUTE DEMON GF Yea Forums!!!!!

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Out of the SS games I've played, I'd recommend First and Second Encounter. SS3 isn't as strong as the two I listed, but it's not bad either. If you want more SS then you can move onto it afterwards.

I've only played Painkiller: Black Edition and to be honest, I'm not really a fan. But you seem to enjoy more arena-based combat (which makes up most of Painkiller) so you might enjoy it more than I did.

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why do people always post the shittier versions?
I like this one way better

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Probably because it doesn't have awful red text that looks like shit

you are awful red text

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You better watch your fucking mouth

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You like it better because it has a fat ass in it you secretly want to ram?

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Am I the only one who thinks he looks like Jim Carrey

FITE ME YOU DOUBLE REVENANT TCHERNOBOG WORSHIPING HELL DAEMON

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Need that demon image

Very well, HAVE AT YOU!

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Doomguy gets stuck in the same arena shit as Ranger.

>QC takes place before Q3
>Ranger, Doomguy, and BJ in QC
>Q3
>only Ranger and Doomguy
How did BJ escape?

YOUR WORDS ARE AS EMPTY AS YOUR SOUL

>QC takes place before Q3

wait what

One of the id devs on QC mentioned it while stating that QC and Q3 are indeed canon.

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DMC 3 was shit

You're shit.

glory kills still in the game? probably what a hunk of shit. game would be more fun without it

Not as shit as DMC 3

Okay, you got me.

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>Horrible level design
>Idiotic poorly designed enemies
>Bad OST outside a few songs
>Dumb story
>Limiting gameplay
How DMCfags looked at 3 as a masterpiece and DmC as some betrayal is beyond me, they're literally the same character in both games, not to mention DmC is finished and has actual levels, which is more than I can say for both 3 and 4

>DmCfag
Ah, so now it all makes sense
Don't talk to me or my son ever again

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I've played and S ranked them all
5>1>DmC>3=2>4

>Samuel Hayden
>S. Hayden
>Sayden
>Satan
Sammy is definitely becoming a god. Likely trying to take over heaven if he hasn’t already.

Hayden is shown in the repair shop because he got BTFO so bad by demons he had to get Doom Slayer to save his ass again. Hayden isn't fucking shit, let alone Satan himself.

being displayed with the other dooms, duh

Dont forget those missile pods

>Doomposting is taking over the catalog
We're winning boys

>64 isn't canon
>one of 2016's codices state that Doomguy was trapped by the demons when they collapsed the Blood Keep tombs on top of him
>Blood Keep is of one of the maps in 64
It's canon, buddy.

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So is Christ

Doom II is the most Doom of all Doom since the first episode of Doom
Doom 3 has great art design and atmosphere
NuDoom has pretty good gameplay, it's different from oldDoom tho

Repair shop? Where?

Why don't they make the AI smarter on higher difficulties?
Melee enemies don't just run at you all in a group.
Some will circle and try to corner you if there are lots of them.
How about ranged enemies shooting where your going?
Or every enemy timing their attacks to hit you at once.

Doom 64 is far superior to nuDoom