Why are jrpg's called rpg's? There's no character customization, the story is completely linear...

Not only that, but you can also affect the world around you in an actual RPG. Fallout, for example, has a multitude of different outcomes for every settlement you come across, all based on your actions. JRPG's, on the other hand, just holds your hand through a poorly told linear story with overblown CG cutscenes, and bad voice acting.

This just in. Most Bioware and Bethesda RPGs are not RPGs.

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Explain

Remember when everyone called Zelda an RPG? I still don't understand why this was a thing.

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By this definition nearly every game is an RPG.
Why are video game genres so retarded?

Because you play a role.

Example
ign.com/articles/1998/11/26/the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time-review
>Rarely is there such a perfect mixture of graphics, sound, and gameplay that even the most cynical players will admit that Zelda 64 is poised to shape the action RPG genre for years to come.
>Like all RPGs, Zelda eventually has an end. But Nintendo tried everything to get gamers to come back for more, such as mini-games and tons of secrets. Challenging.

Who cares? Post more armpits.

So is every game where you can create a character considered an RPG then?

>all games are rpg

Because the genre started as an adaptation of tabletop RPGs and used similar rules for battles.

Because Zelda was inspired by games inspired by tabletop RPGs and made it more action.

Yes, I completely agree. They're not RPGs and shouldn't be referred to as such. The term "RPG" has barely any meaning for many people anymore. It just gets used to make people feel like they're playing "big grown-up, adult games". JRPGs barely feature any role-playing. It's mostly mediocre story for the most part, number crunching and team management. Not role-playing at all.

Because there's no quick way to say "story driven game with stat progression and abstracted command based combat," and since your pen and paper Let's Pretend game has similar functions they just took that name instead.

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i like the new design because i think thighhighs and an undershirt would make her especially soft and comfy to fuck, assuming we leave them on

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There are D&D players who hate stories and roleplaying, they just make some basic character and their DM gives them a battle-focused quest so they can roll die. Does that mean they're playing a non-RPG version of D&D? Because that's essentially what a JRPG is.

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It's because 1) Gaming journalists don't know shit about games and 2) To this day, some people in Nintendo still call Zelda and RPG in interviews.

For all the people arguing "this is or isn't an RPG," they need to realize that the definition for RPG is so loose, anything can count as one. Both Sony and Nintendo define an RPG as:

"A game where you take on a role, talking to NPCs or gathering items to complete an objective or quest."

This can apply to everything from Zelda to Metroid to Mario to Animal Crossing. What it really comes down to is, we call a game an RPG based on how its marketed. If the company splashes RPG all over the marketing and trailers, it'll get known as an RPG. Even if hardcore fans don't think it counts. But their marketing will overtake our complaints on an anonymous image board.

Additionally, there is no video based RPG with all the freedoms of a PnP RPG. So claiming certain games don't meet a "standard" of RPG is pointless. No video game RPG has enough freedom to be one, since the developers create the world and systems you have to abide by.

Just like in Mario

D&D is a glorified murder simulator though so I don't understand your point.

Most games don’t focus on it as part of the core experience. There are no decisions you are prevented from making as Mario that are limited by his worldview, his social standing or his interactions with others; he exists on an extremely long obstacle course. JRPGs on the other hand will limit your choices in the aforementioned ways.

>There are D&D players who hate stories and roleplaying, they just make some basic character and their DM gives them a battle-focused quest so they can roll die.
That sounds amazingly autistic.

Thinly veiled jrpg tiddies thread

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>There's no character customization, the story is completely linear, and the battle systems are extremely limited
Wrong, wrong and wrong.
Great thread, OP.

I don't care about stupid arbitrary definitions, I find JRPGs to be far more enjoyable than shitty ass CRPGs.

Jrpgs are miles better than western rpgs. Seriously, name a single good western rpg besides fallout new Vegas or dragon age origins.

"I am role-playing. My chaotic good berserker is attacking the king because he views all government as evil."

As opposed to gathering a group of people, have one person among the group narrate a story, which the other people can interrupt at any time to change the story BUT they have to roll a die get a certain number to see if they manage to change the story, then have the original narrator change the story accordingly? THAT isn't autistic?

Skyrim is not a jrpg user

Well there's underrail but in general wrpgs suck at being fun.

Still more rpg than cyberpunk 2077

No, because that's a group experience, which can lead to many memorable social interactions. By its very definition, not autistic. The other example you brought up is asocial to the extreme.

What? A group of people rolling die together to kill orcs is equally a a group experience.

I like to think an RPG is a game thats turn based were you character gets stronger by leveling up. If it doesn't have this then it's just an action game

No it isn't. And you don't believe it is either.

Yes I do believe that, how the fuck it isn't? It's the same as playing any other board game.

Because back in the 80s when they picked the term, having level ups and stat points landed it close enough to traditional pen and paper RPGs, compared to any other genre that existed back then.

So the FF7 remake isn't an RPG then?

No it's not.

Not anymore.
It's more of an action game like Mass Effect.

Mass Effect is an RPG.

That's a hack-and-slash campaign.

>rpg means turn based
Don't be retarded

neither of those are good tho

Those people are called murderhobos and are seen as one of the lowest of the low. Even in DnD you have oppurtunity for roleplayong if your dm gives you that and if your players aren't retarded. Tell me how many 'jrpgs' have meaningful charisma based skills?

Nope.
Mass Effect 2 is one of my favorite games. I love it more than the original FF7. The gameplay is identical to Gears of Wars.

>D&D
>meaningful charisma based skills
?

Alpha protocol, mass effect, oblivion, fallout, fallout 2, arcanum etc etc.
There are enough of them but there are almost no good jrpgs.

>mediocre story for the most part, number crunching and team management.
So, exactly like most dnd tabletop campaigns?

It's such a wide lose term these days. I like to think that is the core of an RPG

Have you ever played one that isnt pokemon or final fantasy?

How is it not?

The special thing anout pnp rpgs is player freedom and interplay between players. Autism is generally seen as a loner thing so pno rpgs are by definition not autistic.

No because that would mean tales isn't a jrpg series and thats bullshit

He said mass effect not mass effect 2. The first mass effect was still an action rpg instead of an third person shooter with rpg elements like the games after it became.

All genres of everything are retarded.

>Why are video game genres so retarded?
Better than music which has more genres than there are tumblr genders.

Theres more that goes into role playing than just playing the character. The focus in an RPG game is to immerse the player into the story.

Yeah I played eternal sonata.
It

>dnd tabletop
Do yout think I have any experience with tabletop games? I don't have enough friends and even then I don't have any friends that would be interested. I mostly only play video games.

>In jrpgs you place yourself in the role of a character and role play their experiences
Lazy excuse. By that logic every game ever made is an RPG.

Yeah I played eternal sonata, half the gameplay consisted of cinematics with pretty cringy shit and the other half was killing copy pasted mobs. Only good thing is that I learned a bit about chopin.

Xenoblade 1, chrono trigger, all FF games from 4-10, multiple Tales games, Secret of Mana, Ys, Etrian Odyssey, etc etc

Fuck you

It's less interactive.

>The focus in an RPG game is to immerse the player into the story.
Is Heavy Rain an RPG?

That's cool, we could sit and talk about what makes an RPG and RPG all day but it that's what I like to think of as the core, it gets way to complicated now because it's such a wide term.

the term is almost 30 years old. it has almost no relevance to today's definitions when put in contemporary context.

>play one JRPG that isnt even good
>decide you hate the genre

This is how you have sex.

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>Yeah I played eternal sonata
why?

No, but genres are retarded. RPG games just means theyre vaguely inspired by something in DnD, even if that doesnt make sense. Thered be no reason to rename the genre when its a known convention.

Nope. An RPG is supposed to immerse you in to a role in the game's world. A story is just there to increase immersion and give you scenarios where you are supposed to role-play.
>Role Playing Game
It's in the fucking name of the genre.

You actually don't understand what an RPG is then. God, the damage that JRPGs have caused.

RPG was a term first invented for D&D. The original D&D was pure dungeon diving, with pretty much zero RPing. RPG just refers to the gameplay systems of character build choices that lead to different gameplay strengths and mechanics.

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The focus of any story-heavy game is to immerse the player in it

But that's what it originally was

>The original D&D was pure dungeon diving, with pretty much zero RPing
so you've never played D&D before?

No, not really. Plus, even when RPGs have those aspects, those aspects are not what make an RPG an RPG.

Dwarf and Elves were classes. Insta-kill traps were the norm. The Players handbook suggested you have multiple character sheets ready to go at all times for when you inevitably get gibbed. There was no real design thought for anything that wasn't dungeon diving.

Yeah, you never played D&D before.

asocial to the extreme would be playing a video game all alone in your room user

They're simplified WRPGs.

Creating your own character and naming them does not make a game an RPG

And thats a good thing

I'm going to go out on a limb and say I've played it a hell of a lot more than you. There are different editions of D&D, each have extremely different mechanics, and the original D&D was not the same as modern D&D.

When did I ever imply that?

They started as a way of trying to emulate the Wizardry series.

t. zoomer who only played 5e, probably watches Critical Role, and doesn't actually have any concept of what the game or audience was like in its OD&D days.

>they're refined WRPGs
ftfy

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>How to trigger weebs with one simple post.

>nooo u don't understand!
>then u didn't understand the story haha
>okay you didn't like it, but I did so it's a good game anyways
jrpgs are a scourge upon gaming

How to trigger WRPG fans in one post.

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More like "how to reveal you have a sub-20 IQ: the post"

That post is actually retarded as fuck. Lol

>angry responses prove the point

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In video games the RPG genre is pretty loosely defined (like nearly all genre). However RPGs nearly always have a focus on story and a leveling up system with stats and loot.

>when laughing at how retarded it is counts as anger
Ok.

RPG elements are characterized by gaining experience. If a game has an exp system, then it's part rpg.

You have to remember that back in the day, no other games had a leveling system.
>Mario
You just ran through stages until you got to the end
>Doom
You just blasted monsters until you got to the end
>F-zero
You just raced stages until the game was done
>Street Fighter
You just fought the entire roster until you defeat the final one

Only games nowadays incorporate a little bit of everything, so the definition has become muddled. It's why steam has so many tags in their games.

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Most of Yea Forums are austistic and yet here we are.

diceroll combat is the only requirement to call something an rpg

he's probably one of those annoying bard players who thinks he can persuade the universe to reform itself in his image if he rolls high enough on a diplomacy check.

This. WRPGfags are just jealous of JRPG popularity. They wish they have game as popular as FF7.

Play FFV

>FFV over Tactics
Yikes

Yup, it does. Especially when the person specifically said you'd get triggered. Then you do.

>FFT
>jrpg

>is japanese
>is an rpg
>somehow not a jrpg

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>RPG
>made in Japan
Yes?

Yes fuck off FFT is a trpg not jrpg theres no map exploration and grid battle in them.

They are roll playing because you imagine fugging the girls

This. FFT is a Taiwanese role playing game.

>FFT is a trpg not jrpg
they're not mutually exclusive, retard.

>JRPG
RPG that is Japanese. It isn't any sort of specific genre.

Becayse 2d tittes are life

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No user, if it doesn't look like typical anime tiddie style it is not a jrpg. Dark Souls is a wrpg.

Please don't post satire like this, it physically hurts knowing people actually believe this.

You're not playing the role, you're basically being a spectator of it. To role play is to have a degree of agency and responsibility. It's why one of, if not the most core element of a RPG is character creation, followed by progression

JRPGs tends to have the latter, but not the former

Nearly every game is an rpg. Nearly every game is an action adventure.

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Videog game RPGs are meant to emulate the gameplay mechanics, not the story mechanics, of tabletop RPGs. This is because we don't have an AI that can properly simulate a DM, but we do have programs that can simulate dice rolls. WRPGs, despite having a few choices, are still closer to choose your own adventure books than they are to actual RPGs.

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RPG reffers to the mechanics of a game, not to any of the things you mentioned.

Because you control a main character and/or a party of companions who have stats, you can level up, gather equipment, manage skills, etc.

I know it's a stretch but it's easier than saying "japanese adventure game with RPG elements".

rpgs meant games where outcomes are dictated by your decisions and dicerolls based on your characters skill level as opposed to reaction based games where your own skills and dexterity with controls dictate outcome. thats the basis of rpg. in a sense the genre died when the abomination called action rpg surfaced.

Just based on the pic from the OP:
>no character customization
The mako system is actuallly pretty extensive and allows you to customize your character quite a bit.
>I'd say it's a lot less linear than something like Baldur's Gate. Lots of side quests, mini games, optional locations bosses and characters for joing your party. Sure, it's not TES in terms of non-linearity, but most wrpgs aren't either.
>battle systems are extremely limited
Not by any stretch really, I think this is obvious for anyone that played the game.

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The problem is that there is a big divide between the possibilities of character creation in a tabletop RPG and the possibilities in a video game. Tabletop gives you practically infinite possibilities for the backstories and development of your characters. A video game can try to replicate that as best it can, but ultimately it is impossible to capture even a fraction of it. This is why the player character usually has very little backstory in WRPGs, because if they don't people complain that their created character is being forced into a story they don't want to be a part of (Fallout 3/4). JRPGs avoid this problem with their storytelling by removing this element entirely, because in a video game having a set protagonist is basically required if you want that character to have any real depth to them.
tl;dr character creation in video games is a meme because it can't actually replicate a tabletop experience. Get friends and play D&D if you actually want that.

Wouldn't King's Field by an arpg? You can consistently avoid damage if you want.

52 year old near literal boomer here. When I played AD&D for the first time, the DM just assumed all of our characters were named after ourselves as we all died in his meme dungeon of traps.

based and pitpilled

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>Dark Souls is a wrpg.
>gameplay inspired by King's Field, Zelda and Castlevania
Oh boy.

not this retarded zoomer revisioning again.

We posting pits now?

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Please

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I thought I was alone all this time

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>clicker
that's really funny to me for some reason

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I didnt play DnD but i thought RPGs where supposed to be about Role Playing and because i engoyed all the RPGs ai played like runescape mainly for the character building part i thought i was enjoying it in an unconventional , unintentional way

I don't reallt have emphasized pit pics

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get the fuck off of Yea Forums what are you doing with your life jesus christ

>meme dungeon of traps.

Sorry , Andrei has died to to Autistic pepe trap , necromancer , will you try to revive him , with a posibilty of ending up like Andrei did?

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I'd argue that you role play as a silent character and you level up through heart pieces and such.
But calling it an RPG is a stretch.

He said he's like to think it as "the core" and not the general consensus.
I understand where he is coming from since next to all the NES RPG games for example were turn based.

>The original D&D was pure dungeon diving, with pretty much zero RPing
If this is how you play DnD, than you didn't play DnD.

Delicious.

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>meme dungeon of traps.

Summoner , Sergei has fallen to trap , he thought it was a sexy girl but it turns out it was very womanly looking boy and Sergei now has the debuff ”Big Gay”

Will you summon a Succubus for 60 mana that has a 90% change to turn Sergey straight agian but also a 90% change to backfire spectacularly and try to kill all og you by manipulating Sergay

I don't know why everybody suddenly became so obsessed with armpits, but hey I'll take it.
More content for me

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Because they're made in Japan.

So what we call rpgs then?

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JRPG, believe it or not, usually have a depth to the mechanics or at least values. And most stuff actually works.
Then you have Dragon Age with next to broken mechanics and Fallout 3 which made me wonder why the fuck we even have the ability to aim. Don't get me started on Elder Scrolls.
Fallout 1 and 2 were pretty decent but one fuck up and you lose an eye.

Everyone is retarded is why.

No, because you have control over Geralt's choices.

If JRPGs aren't RPGs, then what genre are they? The combat is stat-based and in some JRPGs, you can customise stats.

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RPGs are just adventure games with exp/lvl up system.

Zelda 2 is an Action RPG. The others are Action-Adventure games.

the issue is that none of the retards on this board(or most other gaming boards/forums) understand what defines an RPG. The genre in its early days was simply comprised of games that were inspired by Dungeons and Dragons and other table-top RPGs(so having XP, level ups, classes, etc) so JRPGs were just as rooted in the genre as their western counterparts. This autism about an RPG requiring player choice and customization is a recent phenomenon.

I will never understand why some people still play jrpgs. They have been dead since like 2004

t. zoomer

I'm older than you and probably played more DnD too. The whole roleplaying aspect is the fun part. That's why DnD memes like the mexican luchador are so funny.

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The Combact derives from tabletop rpgs

Yeah man, that faggot Gainax didn't know shit about what D&D was when he made D&D.

I see you aren't dennying being a zoomer, so you are one
sure faggot, I believe you played DnD in the 90s with players giving a fuck about the story

>Gainax
Fuck, Gygax.

Reading /tg/ posts isn't playing D&D.

It's Gygax you retard.

If a game doesn't allow you to power level and become broken in order to fight superbosses it's not an rpg.
Power fantasy>muh dialogue tree

Only from sad pcfags that spent their lives playing disgusting games like fallout, deus ex vtmb and tes. Hell, they probably know how shitty their genre is and only play mods because of it.

You're generalizing most JRPG's, as if they're all FF's. There are JRPG's that have customization and choices.
All though if we're arguing semantics, No computer RPG is a true RPG since in order for it to be an RPG it must have truly unbound character customization and a story that you can control in its entirety through unlimited dialogue options.
The only true RPG's that actually satisfy those condtions are Tabletop RPG's. You could call WRPG's and JRPG's lite RPG's if that makes sense compared to Tabletop RPG's.

It's because they all follow Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest, which were based on D&D, which is an rpg.

First, when user writes RPG's instead of RPGs, I can already tell he's a fucking Burger. I mean, my English sucks, but at least I can write that properly.

Second, I really hate when people give me their definitions of RPGs and JRPGs.
>''It must have EXP and towns durr!''
No. By that logic, Forza is also a RPG because you earn XP after races, raise your level and earn rewards. Towns (and NPCs) mean nothing.
>''And if it's not turn based combat, then that's not JRPG!!''
Says who?
Role Playing Game. Basically, almost every game is RPG (role playing game). Why? Because you take the role of the character. I mean, in GTA you play as nigger who kills people, steals car and fucks hookers. You take that role, you are that nigger, you are role playing as a nigger. Obviously.

you can put wizardry on both sides

The term RPG in general loses meaning by the day. RPG elements like levelling skills and exp are even in CoD now. You can make choices in non-RPGs too.
It also comes down to the combat, you usually recognize RPGs by the combat. There are also ARPGs though
The most recent example of how blurry the lines are is Sekiro and Dark Souls. One is an action game and the other one is often classified as an ARPG just because it has a stats menu. Then again, stats are in non-RPGs as well now.

Why is Wizardry WRPG and The Dark Spire JRPG? Aren't they both 1st person dungeon crawlers, with limited suplies and challenging battles?

Zelda and Castlevania are western.

While I agree there is very little role playing in them (most are visual novels mixed with mmo tier increasing numbers skinner box), genrefaggotry is cancer. It's on the same vein as 'xy is a good game but not a good y game'. Autistic semantic games about taxonomy.
Even /pol/int/ argue less about borderline cases of who is white than they used to. Better that than go the /m/utant way of half the threads being about categorization.

pitchads where we at

>has numbers
>somehow not an RPG

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>ebin fake /tg/ greentext screencap you found on reddit
boy you sure showed him

Because one was made in the West and the other was made in Japan.

That one's from Yea Forums though,

>thinking 3.5e = OD&D
Yep, definitely a zoomer.

it's exactly so you retards can stop sperging about them

>greentext screencaps aren't posted on reddit

so what's an actual RPG?
VtM larping with fake teeth and foam katanas?

I think Majora's Mask is the one that confused the public the most regarding that in 3D Zelda while Zelda 2 did it for 2D, those two games have some noticeable RPG influence.

>so what's an actual RPG?
GURPS

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game where you can see and modify stats

>diablo is a clicker
LMAOing
it takes more skill than you have braincells! go back to your mommas house Kiddo!

Imagine hating an entire genre of games because of semantics.

People are very spooked, yes.

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>character customization
There are a variety of ways JRPGs lets you customise your character, from items and equipment, to stats, skills and classes.
>the story is completely linear
But gamers experience the game differently and may approach the game in different styles.
>and the battle systems are extremely limited
True, but JRPGs have had lots of innovative gameplay. Knights in the Nightmare for example.

Dark Spire is basically a japanese Wizardry fan game

Where do you place First Person JRPGs like Mary Skelter or EO?

>Diablo II was easy
LOVING
EVERY
LAUGH!
You haven't even played it zoom zoom LMAO
Talk to me when you beat Diablo 2

Because JRPGs hail from first Ultima's which were made in 80's, so no shit at their core they are simplistic.

?????

>click click click
>hard

literally all you need to do is play necromancer lmao

All that fanart is very misleading.
The official model is a STICC, and all those trademark red highlights are practically eliminated. Not to mention her hair is butchered.

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All JRPGS are Wizardry clones.

he probably meant to reply to

Just removing the bottom black part of the bra does wonder. White panties is kind of annoying though and sticks out too much.
I was fine with the gloves.

I don't get why people are complaining about the gloves. The gloves are her weapon, we know that weapon models change, therefore she will have different gloves throughout the game.

They also tend to choose whatever is most likely to get your attention. That's pretty much the reason why so many games with even the slightest amount of challenge are automatically compared to Souls. If you can put the word Souls in your lede or your headline, then you'll automatically get way more clicks, guaranteed.

Why do people call anything with random level generation a rogue like even when they aren’t even remotely like rogue?

People are stupid

nothing wrong with critical role
I hate not playing thac0

>nothing wrong with critical role

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