I love this game!

Yeah

give me other indie games, these are the only ones ive truly enjoyed;

Hotline Miami
Inside
Rain World
Return of the Obra Dinn
SOMA
Thumper
Infinifactory

Soma ain't really indie

Unironically Her Story. And no, it's not SJW.

By definition it is.

I killed the wau, I spent all of a quarter second pondering the choice before deciding that there was no compelling reason to let it live. fucker took my rotten hand

>the game making assumptions about philosophy that seemed really personal and specific, and trying to dump them on the player character
That actually never happened throughout the game.
You can simply dislike a game, you don't have to push that it's flawed somehow like you have to justify your tastes.

Oh god, there are so many good ones. Pick a genre first.

Try this, you'll prolly enjoy it a lot, if you liked SOMA

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just rattle some off

But it absolutely did. A specific example:

when you first switch into the deep sea capable body, you hear yourself say “it didn’t work!” from the other room. My first immediate thought, I shit you not, was “oh, neat, I copied myself. That’s pretty cool.” In-game, Simon proceeds to go on a shrieking rant about HOW FUCKED UP it was and how Catherine SHOULD HAVE FUCKING TOLD ME FIRST and then has a pissbaby faggot tantrum for the entire subsequent elevator ride to the bottom of the ocean.

It’s hamfisted and corny. Don’t tell me how I’m supposed to feel, it’s cheap and ruins immersion. You want to have a character Feel Ways About Stuff, make it someone I’m not first-person-piloting all game. I’m supposed to be putting myself in this fucker’s shoes and it’s hard when he’s being a little dipshit over nothing.

Aztez
Aces Wild
Assault Spy
Mitsurugi Kamui Hikae
Furi
Super Meat Boy
The End Is Nigh
N++
Limbo
Braid
Inside
Fez
Mothergunship
140
Shift Quantum
Zenith
NaissanceE
Antichamber
Perspective
A Hat In Time
Spark the Electric Jester
20XX

So did I. But then I stated thinking that it was a huge mistake. Humanity is doomed in any single outcome if you kill it. You have the arc that will secure maybe a few thousand years of simulated ""humans"" and that's it.
The WAU while being a terrible option for anyone affected by it now, might've been the only option for earth to somehow restore our race.
And as it was established, the WAU keeps on evolving so it might've get better with keeping its subjects alive

Others I forgot

Hollow Knight
Ori and the Blind Forest
Momodora: Reverie Under the Moonlight
The Witness
The Talos Principle (I would argue this counts, some may disagree)

Why do people keep thinking like this. Why do you think that the game isn"telling you how to feel". You don't necessarily have to identify with the main character, I thought they made a pretty good point of making him kinda dumb/just deluded enough to refuse to believe reality that it was obvious to the guy playing the game.

>"humans"
You're nothing if not your collection of electronic impulses representing your thoughts, feelings, and memories

THE WAU DID NOTHING WRONG

THE WArden Unit WAS DOING EVERYTHING TO KEEP MANKIND ALIVE, BUT IT WASN'T GOING TO BE PRETTY, OR HUMANLY

EMBRACE FORCED EVOLUTION

coin flip

It systematically tortured all the remaining living humans and functioning human consciousnesses, and also fucked horribly with existing non-human sea life, for no good reason. It was a rampant AI and no longer served any function. The crapshoot that it might have somehow figured out how to “fix” humanity wasn’t worth the destruction it was causing. Even if it made a hundred more proto-simons, it would have dumped them into a shit world with every inch of livable surface dunked in Structure Gel while it Big Brother’d every living being’s every electrical impulse into a twisted farce of existence

>tortured
How? Seems like people affected by it almost lived in a bliss, albeit being "fake" considering that one robot you meet infront of one of the headquarters who thinks you are already on the arc or that one time Akers tried to glue you into the WAU biomechanical mesh thingy and you were transported to your appartment with your girlfriend alive

The Prestige already got me with it, I was mentally primed to handle the twist. I’ve long since processed the implications of consciousness duplication, conceptually, so it felt kind of toothless. I realize how it would probably be upsetting for a while if this idea had never been presented to you in that way.

I think, therefore I exist

Pristine preservation of the soul will never be, as everything decays. We are a flow through time.

What i'm trying to say is the WAU did nothing wrong and Cath was a cute

My point was you made it seem like the VR satellite wasn't human. But if it's a one-to-one copy of the human brain, then that's you. You are your brain, not your body

Mostly the shrieking, groaning people twitching in corners, unable to do anything but spasm uncontrollably as structure gel life support intubation keeps them “alive” with force fed nutrients and artificial heartbeats.

Did you seriously not get what the Wau was? It was the thematic foil to the brain-in-a-jar characters; the image of what human LIFE without identity meant. It was there to help highlight the distinction between mind and body when it comes to human identity, by making see a computer chip with a brain scan on it as more fundamentally human than an actual human being with no meaningful brain function

Well the WAU tries to preserve what it finds or do the best with what it gets. Remember the impaled guy with a pair of gel lungs 3D printed on the wall? yeah that guy wasn't living it up.

The WAU's function was to preserve and protect humans on Pathos, but that doesn't mean the AI understands what "human" means as a whole.

So, there you go, you get a manfish body! now you can swim and shit. Also removed your vocal cords to keep you from screaming so much geez.

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So what did Yea Forums do at each of the choices?

I spared the construction bot, and did the marginally harder way of restoring power
I spared the cute little welder bot and immediately shot that jabbering fucker in the head for that chip I needed to get off Delta
I let first-body Simon live. He didn’t deserve to die. And now I can go be his friend since I lost the Ark coin toss and have no one else to talk to
I kept the last remaining human alive. She has fingers, if she wants to be dead so badly she can flip off the life support switch her damn self
I killed the Wau. Fucker kept turning sea life against me

THERE

IS

NO

FUCKING

COIN

TOSS

Of course there isn't
I don't think anyone says something about it

Sure there is. It’s a 50/50 shot whether you are the consciousness stream that took the left fork or the right fork when the duplication occurs.

Here's the simple way to explain it to a brainlet.

If you're the one that has the coin and is about to throw it, you have a 100% chance of "losing" the coin-flip. Your memories are the only thing that can be transferred. Not your conscience.

Because people like you Catherine had to use that childish euphemism to Simon and now she's broken and he's alone in the Mariana trench forever.

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Bullshit. The instant a new consciousness is created, a divergence occurs. Until that point, both versions of you shared a single common thread of continuity. The instant divergence occurs, there are two of you, one of which has the experience of tossing the coin and waking up in a satellite, and the other of which has the experience of tossing a coin and being stuck in a chair.

Neither thread is more or less valid. Neither one is “the real you” or “the fake you”. You simply become another consciousness in that moment. Which consciousness you experience yourself as being is down to even odds on either side.

I get that, but I guess you face that "Matrix" dilemma again. Do you wanna live in a vat full of liquid and your real, physical you experiencing pain and suffering while your consciousness doesnt give a fuck and lives in heaven, or do you want to not exist at all?

The whole fucking point is that conscience can only be copied, not actually transferred. This is completely lost on you.

You say that, but if you really BELIEVED it, you would be saying Simon was dead of a brain aneurysm hundreds of years in the past and Catherine was dead from a wrench to the fucking face.

The very fact that you identify “rotting lady corpse in diving suit number 2” and “AI chip on the Omnitool” as Simon and Catherine undermines your entire argument about the invalidity of a duplicated consciousness.

would like to know too

He's just saying that for easier communication, retard. No one wants to specify Simon 1, Simon 2, Simon 3, etc.

It’s not lost on me, it just doesn’t carry the Terrifying Weight it does for you. A copied consciousness is just that; a copy. Identical to the original in every way, right up to the instant that the copy was created. It is no less “valid” or “proper” a consciousness than the “source” it was copied from, any more than me making a duplicate of the Soma exe on my PC and deleting the first copy is “erasing the REAL game”.

They’re fungible. Identical things, up until the moment they become unique. The version of me that experiences sitting in a chair and waking up on the Ark is no less valid than the version that experiences sitting in a chair and going home to brain-bleed to death.

Best thing about it was the aproach to the eradication of humanity. Because I went in blind I really was expecting to find someone along the way, it really just dawned on me and I met the last human alive.

he is just trolling, there is no coin toss. You literally kill your consciousness in the chair and move on in a copied and separate one.

Some things are worse than death though.
Realistically without the WAU it's "just" a mass extinction event. Earth has survived those before, new life will arise. But if the WAU is there, it won't, the WAU will consume all resources for its dubious quest.

Sure, it MIGHT work. Or it could just torture the remainder of humanity forever while the grey goo spreads throughout the galaxy and consumes other life as well. Maybe just dying off isn't so bad.

LITERALLY written in OP's image, are you braindead?

It was great until the ending when the big twist was that the protagonist was a literal retard.

“I can’t be responsible for your ignorance!” is probably the best line in the game, since I must have spent half the game feeling it about Simon anyway.

Did Catherine love Simon?

You should just kill it and it is the right thing to do. The only reason not to is brainlets who think the fact that the WAU is an AI means it will eventually turn into some kind of new intelligent lifeform. The game makes clear it's more like real AI than Hollywood AI and it's basically just a massive cancer that is forcing people to live in an eternal prison.

Let's imagine there's a machine that allows you to create a copy of yourself. That copy is the exact same memory, except it's now also much smarter and essentially immortal. The drawback is that the original body has to liquefied for the copying to work. Let's take away all the post-apocalyptic dressing and just have it at this.

If you truly believe that there is no difference in the copy, then you would find no reason not to go through that process.

I, on the other hand, don't give a shit about "me" being smarter and immortal if it's not actually my conscience experiencing said smartness and immortality. Thus, it's not even into consideration. I would not go through the process.

Have I successfully portrayed you and how you think of this?

>If you truly believe that there is no difference in the copy, then you would find no reason not to go through that process.

If, in your hypothetical scenario, we are positing a machine with a 0% failure rate (no chance of me being liquefied but not copied), I’m thumpin on that button like a rapper with a push-to-start car in a 2014 music video. No hesitation.

Reminder that Catherine knew Simon didn't understand how the transfer worked and deliberately misled him to make sure he'd cooperate

Your brain is a part of your body...

She can’t be responsible for his ignorance.

I stopped playing this after pulling out some tubes inside a boat and getting chased down by one of the monsters because my retarded ass couldn't escape in time. Worth going back?

You are gonna be copied. That's 100% guaranteed. But, as I already explained, it's also 100% not gonna be actually your conscience, because that's not how copying works in the game.

I repeat: If you're the one that has the coin and is about to throw it, you have a 100% chance of "losing" the coin-flip. Your memories are the only thing that can be transferred. Not your conscience.

Honestly the game is probably more fun on Safe Mode. It’s at its best when it’s “spooky underwater Myst” and at its worst when it’s “spooky underwater sneaking past the guards in Zelda’s castle in Ocarina of Time”.

Safe mode takes out the most tedious parts of the game and probably builds suspense better.

Shut up Catherine you literally fucking were
>Puts the Ark launch and the consciousness transfer on the same button because "we still need to be here to launch it after we get on"
>Even though she knows full well they'll both still be there to launch it afterwards
>This is even risking their ability to get aboard at all since the upload finished just barely in time, just so she could keep him in the dark
Simon may be an idiot but he had every right to be mad. Catherine did lie to him.

Your consciousness is nothing more than your memories, boss. It’s not a THING twisted around inside your head, it’s nothing more than a perception of temporal continuity based on a chain of memories.

The entire universe could be a simulation that was booed up last Thursday and your memories of two weeks back are all false. You can’t PROVE that they aren’t. Consciousness is nothing but a sense of contiguous time, it’s not tangible or meaningful. Your idea that “the source is MORE REAL than the copy” is based on nothing hut a desire to believe that your intuitive perception of reality is grounded in something more meaningful than your intuition.

OP?

But if you believed this, then you wouldn't be believing in the coin flip theory either. If what you're saying is true, then each time you clone your memories, you're essentially doubling up. You're getting to live in multiple bodies at the same time. That's not a coinflip.

Nobody is saying the source is more "real," they are saying the source is literally you. Immediately after the split occurs you are two separate identities.

What a stupid argument.

The other user's point, that when you are sitting here CONSIDERING this, it will be THIS YOU who stays behind, is entirely true, and no amount of philosophical brain-jizz changes that.

Also, this: You're right that if I copied myself, then the only claim I would have is that I was the "original". The other me would have just as much claim to my identity from anything before the split.

But I don't care what's more real. If my version of me dies, then I won't get to experience whatever the other one is doing. That's what matters. There can be a million of me roaming around and I'd still be experiencing 0% of that myself.

No, *I* am only one consciousness at a time. If I duplicate myself, I’m either the one in Chair A, or the one in Chair B. And the other me has the same experience, right up until the moment I am /he is copied.

We BECOME two separate people, but because we have an identical mental experience in the lead-up to that moment, for all intents and purposes we are the same person UNTIL the copy.

Thus, the one me that sits in the chair tosses a coin, and either becomes the me that stays in the first chair, or becomes the me that wakes up in the second chair. Well, technically, the one me that sat in the chair does BOTH, it’s just a crapshoot whether I’m gonna be the me experiencing Chair A or Chair B after the coin is tossed.

>You’re always gonna be the version of you that sat in the first chair!
Tell that to the guy standing up from Chair B, he didn’t experience it that way at all
>but he’s just got a copy of your memories!
And I’ve got a copy of my memories. My copy is no more real or valid than his copy.

Why does the underwater station Simon consciousness suddenly pop up? That's Simon #2, yeah?

From the perspective of the original there is no coin flip.

Neck yourself, retard

I give up, you're hopeless. I tried to simplify this coin toss nonsense as best as I could, but it was all for nothing. It's 3 AM and I need to go sleep. Thanks for reading my blog.

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Not even on the point I was saying

>Nobody is saying the source is more "real,"
I do.

Say you've made a copy of yourself, and both copies REMEMBER every detail of the process of creating that copy, and then suddenly their memories diverge into two different existences.

What is the actual difference between those two copies?
One set of memories is fake.

The "real" person acquired those memories over the course of actually experiencing them, whereas they were transferred as data into the fabricated copy.

The only nuance there is that this "factual reality" doesn't matter if, for example, the copy killed you and took your place.
He's still be the copy, but if he's identical, then he's functionally replaced you.

The coin toss is a lie.

>game

are you trying to imply something?

Not every game in first person is an RPG moron. It's an established character with his own history, personality and opinions. Also thrust into a surreal, terrifying place with prior brain damage from a car accident

>THIS YOU
irrelevant semantics.

If I type up this post, and then copy the whole thing, delete it, refresh the page, and paste it back into the reply box before hitting “submit”, is it NOT THE REAL POST? It’s just a copy, not the same thing? Is there any meaningful, qualitative difference?

If I restore my HDD from a backup after a drive failure, is it NOT MY REAL HARD DRIVE?

You’re being retarded. It’s a COPY. An identical copy. Not a Xerox that loses fidelity over time, not a down-sampled backup, a 1:1 identical digital reproduction. IT IS THE SAME THING. Once I have two of them, the idea that “one is the original and one isn’t” becomes meaningless pedantry.

Who the fuck cares which copy came first? They’re the same.

The game is called "SOMA", buddy.

>Discussing SOMA

It's almost always nice

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>comparing a human mind to a post in the internet
Granted, you seem to be exactly that simple, but whether you consider people to be "just data" or not, there is still an "original".

Even your example is stupid, because the concept of "plagiarism" exists in cases where copying text matters.

You can Semantic my entire dick.

Your body is irrelevant. That's one of the main themes, you mong

This. From the perspective of the original, before he makes the "coin toss", there is no coin toss, because he is 100% not gonna be the copy that gets created.

>spoonfeeding retards

That's true. I think it's only arguable because the game has you switch perspectives.

The game posits a sci-fi reality where a consciousness can be scanned into a few Terabytes of digital data and be an exact, perfect representation of the conscious mind that was scanned.

I’m not saying that’s technologically plausible, I’m saying that if the parameters at work are “the human brain can be duplicated endlessly as digital data”, I’m going to behave accordingly.

Copy your Soma.exe, delete the original, and rename Soma - Copy.exe back to Soma.exe, and boot the game

HOLY SHIT CATHERINE THAT’S SO FUCKED UP YOU SHOULD HAVE WARNED ME.

>It doesn't matter if the me that was originally in the chair is destined to be fucked up the ass by 1000 dicks at the same time because the other me, whose experience I will not be a part of, is in heaven.
You're argument doesn't make sense, there is no assumption of the second body from the first. You as in YOU do not get heaven, you get 1000 dicks up your ass. Your memories and personality (second you) get heaven, but you experience none of that.
That experience and consciousness is entirely different from yours and therefore is not actually yours you goobus.

>Your memories and personality (second you) get heaven, but you experience none of that.
The me in heaven doesn’t see it that way, and his experience is no less valid than the experience of the guy getting 1000 dicks in the ass.

My favourite games:
-SOMA
-Talos Principle
-Outer Wilds
-Half Life 2

>just kill me because that other guy also thinks he's me

Congratulations, you've philosophically cucked yourself to death. Just out of your curiosity what is your political affiliation?

My Soma.exe doesn't have a continuous consciousness.

Your flimsy, retarded logic only just barely manages to hold together when you COMPLETELY IGNORE the entire concept of consciousness.

And even then, you're literally arguing that all ethics in relation to human lives should be cast away, why? Because deleting a .exe is "basically totally just like murder".

Fuck you, user. This is what's meant by "intellectual dishonesty".

observer > soma

Not him, but I'm a moderate socialist and I've been shitting on this retarded "coin toss" bullshit ever since it's been brought up in this thread. I refuse to have socialists dragged to the mud for this crap.

Certainly the you in heaven wouldn't see it that way because you don't understand what happens in the first place.
His experience is valid. The coin toss idea only makes sense if you don't actually comprehend that it was never a coin toss in the first place. If you understood what was going on, the second you would know that the first is getting his ass fucked.
You are Simon.

Can robots dream of shitposting?

What if Simon starts duplicating himself over and over?

Would he become paranoid and start killing each other or would reinvent mankind into an army of coin flip tossers?

What would you do?

Is Talos any good? I bought it on a sale like 2 years ago and still havent tried it

thx bro

Hollow Knight

Love this game

Also the coin toss thing is stupid. How it actually works is that you were the final Simon the entire time, the one who ends up in the dark at the bottom of the sea. You weren't winning the coin toss before that. You just had the memories of every consciousness before you. Every time a copy was made, the one who made it stays behind. Everything up to the end is essentially a memory of the final Simon. The Ark Simon is the next copy created, and one that we don't play as til the epilogue. There was never a coin toss, it was all Catherine could do to explain it to Simon since he was canonically a brainlet. From a gameplay point of view you were always the sitting at the bottom of the sea Simon.

It reminds me of SOMA in many ways, in that I constantly thought about the game's messages and themes. I don't want to spoil anything for you but I will just say that the dialogue in the game is top tier for me. I am a sucker for scifi

>continuous consciousness
Digital data. Just like your .exe file. I keep trying to explain this to you brainlets, there is no THING in your head called a “consciousness”. It’s a perception, it isn’t real. In the world of Soma, it can be duplicated as digital data. All of your perceptions, the thing you are calling “a continuous consciousness”, can be endlessly duplicated just as easily as a text document or jpeg.

Think of copying yourself like copying your save file in a video game. If you copy your save from slot 1 to slot 2 and keep playing, you aren’t “leaving your real save behind” and continuing to play with a phony, unreal facsimile. It’s just data management. If you then go back and also play the first save file and do different stuff, the two files have diverged at the point in time where you first copied the save, but neither one is less valid, neither one is “the real one” and “the fake one”, they’re two identical things that diverged at a single chronological point.

That is what a digitally duplicated consciousness is. If you can’t get your head around the idea of “your conscious mind ITSELF is being duplicated” that’s a problem with your lack of imagination.

Jesus. I’m just now realizing that everyone’s weird mental hangups about this type of trivial shit are why so many people think Nier:Automata is emotional and profound

>brainlets
Wow that mirror scene was like so amazing, what a twist i was teh robot all along!

>high iq
Most horrifying scene is when you switch bodies for the first time and you can hear your old self talking about how it didn't work before getting shut off.

Eh, not exactly, since you wouldn't be living the memories in a continuous sequence with time moving as normal, you'd just remember them. But obviously, that's impossible to express in a game. What the game really did is that it just kept actually switching you between Simons until the moment it stopped doing so.

>first time

Papers, Please
Little Nightmares

You control 4 different Simon bodies throughout the game. Either you Are Simon, or you variously play as 4 different characters called Simon. There are no mental gymnastics where “you were always the third Simon copy”, how the hell do you figure that?

>I keep trying to explain this to you brainlets, there is no THING in your head called a “consciousness”.
Just because a thing (which clearly exists) has not been concretely defied does not mean that it doesn't exist.

I mean really, talk about the fucking king of logical fallacies, you moron.

Similar themes, different genre

Again, though, if this were true, since the two copies would continue moving life onwards from the moment the "split" happens, you'd be living two different lifetimes at the same time. Possibly controlling two bodies in the process? That's still not a coin-flip.

I don't think it's something that really corresponds to the left or right. Rawlsian liberalism and movement conservatism both seem to be built around philosophizing away your own identity.

If that's your logic the only real Simon that you control died back in that doctors office or whatever

Yeah that's true, good point.

I saw a post from user ages ago with an interesting thought about the whole 'coin flip' thing.

The only way the metaphor works is if you think of it in the moment after the copying process is complete, but before you open your eyes. In that instant you could either be the original, stuck on earth, or the copy, living it up on the Ark. You won't know which you are until you open your eyes and see, because both of you will share the same memories up to sitting in the chair and undergoing the process.

Of course, this doesn't change the fact that the original person who walked in the room to have it done is doomed and will still be the original afterwards.

You guys are right I'm just retarded. It's been a while since I played it. I guess what I mean is that the game switches you to the new Simon perspective every time. Just the last time, it keeps you as the third one. (or whichever one is trapped at the bottom of the ocean.). Sorry for my retardation, it's been a while. Was trying to explain away the coin flip thing mainly.

This.
"Simon Jarrett" is modeled after a guy suffering from a serious brain trauma. The personality it was copied from is literally one that is prone to memory impairment and behavioral outbursts.

>which clearly exists
You’re imparting your intuition onto your factual picture of the universe, that’s wrong. It seems INTUITIVELY true that a consciousness is a single unbroken thing (at least if you do your very bestest to not think too hard about what happens when you go to sleep and wake up the next morning) so you assume prima facie that it must be concretely true, and that therefore a digital duplication of a mind would produce something which is inherently unique or broken from its source in a way that makes it less valid or real, rather than A FUCKING DUPLICATE.

You "conscience" is your memories plus current sensation. You're duplicating consciousness that was the whole point of the game. Stop calling people brainlets when you clearly are one.

>You’re imparting your intuition onto your factual picture of the universe, that’s wrong.
Its not intuition.
There are a variety of observable phenomenon that are the result of "consciousness", and the reason they're possible are poorly defined.

Only an idiot takes this data and says, "Consciousness doesn't exist because humans know everything and if it did exist, we'd know everything about it"

This logic is why you are a arrogant, loathsome waste of space.

What if I had nanites replace each of my brain cells, one at a time a la Theseus ship? After I have a fully cyborg brain, I then plug myself in to a computer with a usb. Then I "mv brain.img Documents/."

Would I then have experienced moving my brain onto a computer? Or would I have technically died somewhere in this process?

Yeah, but “the original” is no more valid than the copy.

There’s a person whose experience is “I sat in a chair, I hit a button, I shut my eyes, and I opened them on the Ark” and that person’s experience is every bit as real and valid as the experience of the person who “sat in a chair, hit a button, shut my eyes, and opened them still at the bottom of the ocean”.

It’s a fun feat of mental gymnastics to try to prove that one of those is “more real” than the other but ultimately, you can’t do it. Both are equally real and valid. One doesn’t have “false memories” or a “false experience”

No no no it’s a mystical magical spiritual Thing and any copy of it is just a lie with fake memories that isn’t really really real, even if the entire conceit of the game’s fiction is that it is in fact 100% real.

>You "conscience" is your memories plus current sensation
And who told you that?
Did you have a chat with God?

Fucking brainlet.

>"real" means the same as "original"
Another common brainlet mistake.

Is that what you think this conversation is about?

See
You got motherfuckers ITT trying to undermine the essence of the game’s narrative with spiritual shit. You can’t outright refuse to accept the game’s premise (digital duplication of consciousness) because of spiritual hangups and then act like an authority on the logic of the game’s world.

There's nothing spiritual about saying your mind doesn't transfer when duplicated.

You motherfuckers are hilariously obtuse

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There is no magical "conscious." It's just a complex system of synapses.

In the context of Soma where we could theoretically copy/upload our minds (which scientifically is laughable so not even worth considering), it would be like your video game save (or any software).

If you copy the save to another console/pc you can start at the same place with all data and progress still there. Each copy would exist in the same form and continue from there, but there is no transfer to speak of. They would simply have the same qualities and act the same, at first anyway (until they naturally have different experiences and develop with different stimuli as separate entities). You would only be in control of you in your body.

Simon died in 201? in that doctors office, or wherever his normal life ended. Everything after would just be copies that act the same. Would self identify in the same way the real one would, but is not the same entity.

Nobody said transfer. It’s duplicated. “Transfer” implies moving from one place to another. “Duplicate” implies moving to another place while also staying where you are, and there being two of you as a result.

Your problem is, you can’t accept that when something is duplicated, both duplicates are equally real and are in all ways equivalent up through the instant of duplication.

Therefore the “copy you” isn’t a person with fake versions of your real memories, it’s YOU with YOUR REAL MEMORIES. It’s just that it’s also you sitting in the first chair.

Would a transfer feel like dying, or feel like a quick hiccup of lost time?

I don’t see why it would feel like lost time at all. It would feel like how the game presents it; a continuous flow of time without interruption. Sit in a chair, get out of a different chair

Like a teleporter.

You sit in your duplication chair.
You get duplicated.
The doctor comes in and says the operation was a success and it's time for you to be euthanized.
What do you say?

True, but I think what's throwing you off is the fact that people don't want to die. No one is saying that the clone who goes to the Ark is a Fake You or a False You. It simply isn't you. It's an identical copy of you, and while it shares all of your features, your current consciousness (i.e. you) has been left to rot elsewhere.

Not saying it's still not a good thing to do, but you'll never experience the pleasurable results. That's what everyone's problem with it is.

No clue. I think people would consider it still themselves as long as there was an unbroken chain of consciousness, but then the fresh clones also possess this (as far as they're concerned).

I fight for my life.

In my defense, I left Simon 2 alive at Theta(?)

He’s just as real as diving suit me. He didn’t deserve to die.

>There are people who genuinely believe in the toss coin
How fucking stupid can you be?
I'm not even trying to be rude but jesus christ
What the fuck

>your current consciousness (i.e. you) has been left to rot elsewhere.
Or, the you on the ark has left a copy of you, a duplicate, an Other You, to die at the bottom of the ocean.

Which you already sorta do once when you first venture into the deep to find Phi.

We can feel sympathy for the version that is left behind, but it is not more real or more true than the version that moves on.

I don't think any copy would want their other to be killed. Unless the person is so self-loathing and selfish.

this is what happens when need to justify wasting thousands of dollars on a philosophy degree

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>I don't think any copy would want their other to be killed. Unless the person is so self-loathing and selfish.
What about all those absolute brainlets who downed cyanide capsules as they were scanned onto the ark to “preserve continuity” or whatever?

I am just saying in real life, if people understood that they were copied and their original is still in a chair, that copy wouldnt want their original to be killed. Or at least that is how I would feel in that situation.

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>What about all those absolute brainlets who downed cyanide capsules as they were scanned onto the ark to “preserve continuity” or whatever?
This is really an underrated part of the game.
It's interesting to explore the concept of how one perceives a copy of themselves.
Those people really believed they would switch conscious by killing their physical selves. They didn't believe it because it was logical, they did it because they were desperate and scared of ceasing to exist.

lmao good shit

now make a brendan frasier edit

Holla, reddit

>WAAAAAAAAAAAH STOP HAVING FUN

They did it because, like 70% of the people ITT, they couldn’t get their heads around the idea of their conscious mind branching into two copies. They had to kill one copy to simplify it for themselves, mentally.

Yeah, exactly. Although the concept of you goes on, each individual iteration of you suffers to allow the next to progress (at least in the game). It's perhaps a noble thing to do, although you could argue that if you have nothing to look forward to but death and misery, why wouldn't you want to send another You on to happiness?

But as you say, many see it as their copy travelling to paradise while leaving them behind to suffer and die. It's a very human thing to feel and not completely irrational.

Imagine both the scan room and the room with the duplicate body both look identical. After the scan is done, would you know for sure whether or not you are now in the duplicate room, or still in the scan room, without leaving the room?

Simon Jarrett Git patch notes
>Forked consciousness Repo to add support for deep sea exploration
>Unfortunately changes to pressure survival codebase prevent re-merge to Simon Jarret ver. Theta

When Simon made the copy he didn't transfer his consciousness and couldn't, rather the new copy thought it 'won' and the old thinks it 'lost'. The coin toss idea was thought up to give some hope of continuing on either in the ark or the new body, etc. Catherine knows that it's just copying and it can't be a transfer, she tried for a while to convince the PATHOS-2 crew and Simon but ended up just going with it to get stuff done.

>we tested 100 subjects
>predictably, all 100 claimed they were in the original room, meaning exactly 50 of them got it wrong
>all 100 insisted it wasn’t a coin toss.

In their defense, they were in a hopeless situation where the "solution" was branching into two copies, knowing fully well their physical entities would suffer before dying.
Much like Simon, they were in denial.

this game was better on safe mode. having to replay the same thirty seconds over and over because one of the monsters is bugged is unfun and bullshit, removes all the tension from the experience and turns it into frustration.

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Ya boiling, reddit???

This game has a very retarded plot. Firstly with even todays current year technology it is factually impossible for humanity to go extinct from nuclear war or meteor/comet strike because the elite and governments will have top of the line miles underground facilities with almost self maintained botanical gardens, purification systems that syphon and filter all urine and turd water coupled with almost great lake sized water reservoir, advance filtration and even tree farm to create new oxygen with enough food, entertainment to last for several lifetimes for the funder, their family, servants and private army.

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cranky because you dont know what suspension of disbelief is arent you

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People like you are insufferable and obnoxious
We all fucking know humanity has a plan B. You're not smart for figuring that out, but that wouldn't be interesting for a fictional setting.

>soiboy reaction image
>blog post
Shant be reading

That's part of why I killed WAU. We don't really have any way of knowing that literally everybody in the world is dead, and even if they are the immortal robots might find some frozen sperms somewhere eventually.

There could very well be a few pockets of civilization left. That is my headcanon. But, trying to live on the surface won't be possible for thousands of years. I like to think that eventually all those bunkers will eventually fall due to unrest, unforeseen mechanical issues, or the WAU

Yeah man totally

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>Doc Venture
>sòyboy
Cringe zoomer retard.

GURGLE GURGLE

AAAA GIVE ME MORE ONIONS REEEEE

superman is retarded because people can't fly

that's you. that's how you sound.

There's no such thing as a real simon or a fake simon, but there are multiple simons. Which one is "real" is irrelevant, whats important is your perspective. I don't care whether I'm a duplicate or the original what I care about is whether or not I'm at the bottom of the ocean.

If I put a copy of my mind in the body of a hot girl, is it gay if I rape hot girl me?

Obviously not.

>Cathrine gets pissy when you use the WAU to heal
>Assume something bad will happen if I keep using it
>Stop healing, spend 80% of the game with shitty blurry vision from not healing
>Turns out it didn't matter at all lmao fuck you

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How can it be rape if you're obviously considering doing it to yourself?

reddit game

>soma thread
>ctrl+f "coin"
>23 results

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I played it, and find it being really fucking boring.

the mirror scene was actually kino because it's the first time you can get a real good look at yourself, the Simon you're playing as, and it's right before the point you switch to the deep dive suit and look right at that Simon you were again when you're deciding whether to kill him or not

Observer, Katana Zero

>self-loathing and selfish.
Killing Simon 2 after switching to deep dive suit is a mercy killing
If you didn't, he'd wake up all alone realizing he got fucked hard because you took Catherine with you down a path he can't physically go, and the only other way out is that locked door with monster on the other side that was trying to get in when you did the copy
The nicest thing to do would be putting him out when he was only initially confused about the "transfer" not working then letting him wake up to complete and utter despair and loneliness where his batteries would eventually die out anyway because he can't go anywhere

Yes it is.

k, it's a good ''''game''''