How do you guys do it?

What kind of faggot are you, OP? You don't like sitting through the same text message conversation over and over again before/during/after each palace where all the phantom thieves wonder if stealing the treasure will work, despite it always having worked the past 6 times?

Don't worry. I'll text you tomorrow to ask you the same questions again.

>aesthetic is worse

that's where you're 100% wrong

waifu/friendship sim

the actual "game" part doesn't have to be good

by not having ADHD

Why are you so invested in what other people like so much?

Because the writing is good, but more importantly, the main draw (VN/JRPG fusion) is still fun.

Sorry you have shit taste user, but I'm even more sorry that you think it's a valuable usage of your time to tell a basketweaving chinese website about it.

The gameplay is fun, and the writing is entertaining if you don't take things too seriously. It is anime after all. Persona 5 and Yakuza 0 are some of my favorite PS4 games. I'm able to enjoy both their gameplay and story ironically and unironically

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Playing jrpgs on a regular basis helps you build resistance to shitty writing and repetitive game mechanics.

I fucking love you, based op speaking the truth about this overrated piece of junk, play smt you fags.

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I can see that Yea Forums is still over P5.

Both SMT and Persona are garbage you weeb faggot.

>even the aesthetic is worse

imagine being this fucking delusional

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Will Yea Forums actually complain about P5 every day, without fail, until this website is shut down? I think it might happen, at this rate.

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bing bing!

I kind of enjoyed it but quit during the space ship sequence. The writing wasn't bad at all and I really liked the music and aesthetic, the game just felt too repetitive

It has flashier UI, but the actual design of the characters and environments (Especially Tokyo.) aren't as interesting as 3 & 4. Even Tartarus, despite being more one dimensional gameplay-wise has a much more memorable aesthetic to me. And making Tokyo the setting was a terrible idea since it's been a million times before, Tatsumi Port Island and Inaba are way more interesting and memorable. The game has better graphics, but that's where it ends.

>to me.
Saying that doesn’t prevent anyone from calling you a fucking retard.

>me no like how it look so it bad :DDDDD
This is why nobody takes you faggots seriously. Stop whining about Persona 5 just because it rocketed the franchise into the mainstream

Out of curiosity, what games would you recommend that use Tokyo as a setting? Off the top of my head P5 is the only one I can remember playing, if there are other games that do a good job of using Tokyo as a setting I'd like to know of it.

Eh, not the same guy but the writing is goddamn awful, the whole "ALL ADULTS ARE BAD, US KIDS ARE BETTER" seriously makes you realize it had a strict demographic catered to teenagers. At least persona 5 wasn't so bad about this, the saving grace is that the design of the game, the transitions, the gameplay, the individuality of the dungeons and how each section has unique dialogue so it doesn't feel monotonous, I like the game, but the writing is grade A garbage.

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>And making Tokyo the setting was a terrible idea since it's been a million times before
But only in SMT and Devil Survivor, Tokyo was never used in a Persona game before.

>since it's been a million times before
P5 is the first game in the series to take place in Tokyo.

>Inaba are way more interesting and memorable
Nah.

>the whole "ALL ADULTS ARE BAD, US KIDS ARE BETTER"
I love it. Every time someone criticizes the story, it's because they misinterpreted it. Pottery.

Wow I think I'm gay now after watching how disgusting that fat blob in the webm is, thanks a bunch you asshole.

>this piss puddle is too deep for you
Great argument

It's all style, no substance. 3 & 4 have better art design. There's nothing in P5 that matches something like pic related for example

Yakuza and other SMT games

I meant other games besides Persona and SMT

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>since it's been a million times before
When? I don’t really play JRPGs like that but most of them takes place in a fantasy made up setting.

>"ALL ADULTS ARE BAD, US KIDS ARE BETTER"
Every single time.

>I like the writing
You can enjoy eating shit, it's fine
>and I think it's good
lol no.

You joke but it unironically is, apparently. It's weird, people don't usually broadcast "I AM A COMPLETE RETARD PLEASE BTFO MY ASS IN AN INTERNET ARGUMENT" like this, but here you are doing exactly that. Are you a masochist?

>It's all style, no substance.
Nice buzzphrase.

>It's all style, no substance
>"ALL ADULTS ARE BAD, US KIDS ARE BETTER"
Holy shit it’s been 3 years and you retards still can’t come up with better buzzwords m.

Honestly, Tokyo is such a massive clusterfuck. I hate it in comparison with Persona 3&4 overworld.

>I meant other games besides Persona and SMT
So your complaint about persona 5 is about an issue external to persona 5. Nice.

>ALL ADULTS ARE BAD!!!!!!
>He says, when the game shows SEVERAL adults as good people and even allies, like Sojiro, Tora, Kawakami, Iwai, and even later on Sae
Maybe you just misunderstood the themes of the game

Momentos was Twisted Tokyo tier.
Don't @ me.

I like the Persona series, the writing is bad at times. But i like building up my roster of demons, kinda like Pokemon i guess

Mementos is just Tartarus. Mentioning P4 just invalidates your point when that game has no substance and style, it’s just a lazy cashgrab made by Atlus. You can tell because all the portraits are static and lack emotion unlike P2, P3 and P5.

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Not him but TWEWY uses Shibuya as it’s setting and it does a great job in doing so, to the point that a lot of its game mechanics revolve around it.

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Jet Set Radio

Persona always had an original setting until P5. It's fine in SMT because it's meant to be more realistic in a sense, like "what if the demon apocalypse really happened???" that kind of thing. It comes off as uninspired in Persona 5 because the persona games have more of a focus on your immediate environment. You're spending a lot more time just running around the same places. So I think it sucks to go from newly designed locations like Inaba and Tasumi Port Island with their own quirks, to just Tokyo like it's always looked. I never said you can't Tokyo, just that it was a bad idea for P5 to do it considering what came before.

mementos is a rehash of tartarus, that's nowhere near as interesting. And P4 has much better art direction than P5.

>I never said you can't Tokyo, just that it was a bad idea for P5 to do it considering what came before.
>games aren't allowed to break precedents set by predecessors cuz i said so

>mementos is a rehash of tartarus, that's nowhere near as interesting. And P4 has much better art direction than P5.
>this is bad because it is, and this is better because it is

Are you even remotely capable of supporting a single one of these opinions with some nuanced discussion or are you just one of the contrarian faggots who, upon P5's release, decided that 80% of your time not spent sleeping, eating, shitting, or working should be spent crying about how bad P5 is?

Skipping dialogues

He says when Port Island and Inaba were derived from existing places to the point that P4's anime took actual photos from that area and turned them into backgrounds

>P4 has much better art direction than P5
kek

When it comes to Switch i'll be able to take it anywhere! The game is PERFECT for the Switch! I can play it on the toilet, at the office, and even when i'm out to lunch! It's hard to finish these big 50+ hours games glued to a chair, but with the Switch it's a whole new way to experience the game!

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>Fuck Adults is the theme of the game
Yea Forums really needs to stick to capeshit

RYAN!!!!!

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NEVER EVER

If you can't appreciate delicious thigh you were gay before

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Yeah, I know you have adult allies, exceptions to the norm, like the suave cafe guy, or the one in the armory, but when the main characters, especially Ryuji keep repeating "adults are rotten", "adults suck", "adults this or that", the main villains suffering these faults (and some even based on real life criminals) any counter argument trying to defend how that isn't the main focus falls flat
You're welcome

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>yeah i know half of the adult cast exists to contradict the false premise of adults being bad people but there's no way that was, like, a deliberate decision written in to help the main cast develop a more nuanced world view, right?

user for the love of fucking god, a literal 16 year old could infer the nuance of this game's greater meaning and yet it's completely lost on you. Why are you like this.

>but when the main characters, especially Ryuji
That’s only Ryuji and he’s the comic relief character.

>S E E T H I N G

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>Are you even remotely capable of supporting a single one of these opinions with some nuanced discussion
You seen to have ignored literally everything I've said up till this point. I explained in detail why Persona 5's usage of Tokyo was bad. And mementos is literally just tartarus with shittier art design. Each block of Tartarus has it's own unique look, while mementos mostly looks the same throughout. Wow. A gross looking subway. Great. And just so you know, I played the game when it came out and loved it, but over time It just seemed way more bland by comparison to the other games for the reasons I've stated, and more.

I know they're based on real places but they aren't copy-pasted quite like Tokyo is. In particular, You're never gonna play a game with a setting exactly like Tatsumi Port Island. Inaba is pretty close to it's source like Tokyo, but having your fantasy rpg take place in a sleepy town with a murderer is more interesting than bad adults in Tokyo.

You sound pretty confident in yourself for someone that hit all the retard flags for talk about this game. I mean fuck you even brought up Ryuji by name.

The main focus of this game was on a group of people recklessly defining and exacting justice based on one's actions alone. If what you were saying had any kind of basis, there would've been a moment in the game where the characters went "woah... maybe all adults aren't bad after all!" but there was no such hamfisted line, because the generation gap was never the problem in of itself. There was never a war on adults and all it takes to see that is some kind of attention span.

>take place in a sleepy town with a murderer is more interesting than bad adults in Tokyo.
Are we talking about just ideas or how it’s executed?
Taking down people by going into the distorted viewpoint inside thier head is better than a watered down and shitty version of Diamond is Unbreakable.

Kamoshida was the only good one, the rest sucked.

Okay this is bait

>You seen to have ignored literally everything I've said up till this point. I explained in detail why Persona 5's usage of Tokyo was bad.
Your "arguments" are non-arguments. You literally just said "the franchise was like this up until 5, 5 did something different so that's bad". You didn't say WHY it was bad.
>And mementos is literally just tartarus with shittier art design. Each block of Tartarus has it's own unique look, while mementos mostly looks the same throughout.
You're just underselling P5 now. The blocks appear increasingly grotesque, building up to the summit. They can't just throw in a crazy golden royal area like Persona 3 did, there's a cohesive appearance that it's meant to have.

All of the crazy good art design goes towards the game's actual dungeons. Mementos isn't meant to be the epicenter of the game, as Tartarus is to P3, so it's kind of a weird parallel to draw when you're talking about art design.

>"kamoshida is the only good villain xd" meme
This, misunderstanding the story, and complaining about bad character development are the three stupidest fucking things I see on Yea Forums and it happens every day. I swear it's the same people every time

hi /pg/ I know you're posting in here

Yeah that one dude is still better than DiU lite

>bad adults in Tokyo
I thought P5's premise was phantom thieves in Tokyo and tbqh they did a hell of a lot better job with that than they did with the murder in P4, seeing how a good 80% of P5 was actually built around and actually focused on that, like there was an actual sense of direction and purpose that was mysteriously absent from P4.

Kamoshida is literally the best villain though.

> like there was an actual sense of direction and purpose that was mysteriously absent from P4.
Oops I meant to put P3 here because it suffers from this just as much if not more so.

Best? Sure. The only good one? Nah.

it's just nintendofags that are still trying to cope with the fact that they're never ever going to get a switchport. Notice how literally none of them have anything constructive to say other than surface level shit like "HURR ITS BORING, WRITING SUCKS, CINEMATIC GAEM, IM A FUCKING IDIOT DURR".

Who'd ya think was good?
I liked madarame, Futaba(?).
The rest were pretty okay to bad.

I didn't forget P3, we weren't talking about P3 at all.

P3's lack of direction is kind of an inversion of P4's, like they had no idea what the fuck they were doing with every single thing outside of the story and themes. Which I can mostly forgive because they had never made a game like that before. I liked P3 a whole lot when I first played it years and years ago, it's still one of my favorite games to this day, but I'm not ever going to pretend that it's better than P5 when it just isn't.

Well actually, Madarame was pretty good. Everything from Le Ebil Money man onwards I thought was bad.

I'll concede about mementos, because you're right about that. I overlooked the point of mementos and how it changes. But I feel like I've given pretty good reasons as to why I take issue with the other aspects of the game's aesthetic. I wanna make clear that I don't think the aesthetic is bad, just not as good. Like I've said a million times, I just think Tokyo is an uninspired setting in comparison to the last 2 games. I thought the main dungeons were boring, both in looks and game-design. I honestly think tartarus did it best by having more of a combat and farming approach. I do think P5 wins over P4 in this aspect though since the dungeons in P4 are a weird halfway point between Tartarus and the ones in P5, where they tried to make traditional dungeons but only partly, They also look ugly.

P4 focuses more on character development, with murder mystery intrigue as a backdrop.

Whats amusing is people that hate weeb shit and insult other shit for being weeb LOVE this series.

its some backwards ass shit.

If you think Tokyo was an uninspired setting then Persona 5 is literally unironically too deep for you. A knee-high wading pool is too deep for you. Persona 5 would not have worked in any other setting period, not "totally not fictionalized suburb in the Tokyo area" like 1 and 2.

Don't critique Persona 5.
Anons will tell you that it's too deep for you.

I get why it takes place in Tokyo when considering the meaning behind the narrative, I just don't think it's a good narrative. So, yeah P5 couldn't work without it, but I think there just should have been a different Persona 5 with a better story and setting.

>I don't like thing so it's objectively bad

When your "critiques" are "the loudmouth character says shitty adults so that means it's literally saying all adults are shit" then yeah it's unironically too deep for you.

I finally finished persona 5 bros. It only took me 95 hours. But I'm left with one burning question why the FUCK can't I romance the twins?

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Wait until P5R lets you take them on dates.

Alright, I'll bite, what's the big-brain rundown of what the game is REALLY about?

I never said it's objectively bad. I've given you nothing but my opinions, and the reasonings behind my opinions this whole time. Why don't you explain to me why you think it's so good other than "Oh, you just don't get it."

I never said that. Obviously there's more to it than that. In short, The game's making a statement about older vs younger generations in Japan.

I thought it was rebelling against the status quo and unmasking people’s true desires.

if it actually did maybe i would actually buy it.
let me fuck the lolis god dammit!

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Society is flawed and allows people to abuse others without repercussion by hiding behind societal customs and rules. Society must be rehabilitated to work for the benefit of the people. Additionally, society is not some nebulous independent thing, but simply a collection of people, and it's up to the individual people to make this change possible. In the same vein, those who harm others can be rehabilitated, but must make a conscious effort to atone for their misdeeds.

That's it, that's literally all it is. The entire theme of P5 is the word that's beaten into your head over and over in the Velvet Room: rehabilitation. Rehabilitate yourself, rehabilitate others, rehabilitate society. Make things better instead of sitting on your ass. It's an extremely simple message which is why the people who don't understand it are clinically retarded. Just like the average Hideo Kojima game.

Thanks user, if you don't mind me asking. what did they do to rehabilitate society in the end?

>if it actually did
>if
user...

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>be the change you want to see in the world
>don't expect other people to stand beside you unless you're willing to meet them halfway and give them something in return
Pretty much every single little thing in the game contributes to either or both of these ideas in some way

You're right. You're an absolute faggot, for sure.

For me the story is not that good, i just played, i like persona 3 better but people are still gonna remember the game cause they want joker and akechi to kill them, step on them, etc and fuck ofc

Primarily, eliminated the distorted desires of despair-induced control, allowing the people to start seeing society for what it is. Throughout the game, the player helps others directly by helping them through their problems, not simply by dealing with the problem itself, but in helping others overcome the underlying character flaws leading to those problems. For example, you don't simply beat up a couple shadows so a couple parents stop extorting the teacher for money, you help the teacher realize she needs to stand up for her students instead of wilting in the face of pressure from those around her. You don't just beat up a yakuza thug, you help Iwai realize that his adopted son doesn't give two shits about Iwai's shady past and genuinely thinks of him as a great dad, so Iwai doesn't need to martyr himself for the sake of nothing. And so on. Every confidant has an underlying character problem that Joker helps them deal with, pushing the message that people are capable of beneficial internal change if others lend a supporting hand to those around them.

But I think most importantly, the PTs realize that their escapades are a means to an end: instead of abusing their powers like those they're fighting, they work to help society, and willingly return to normal life when they think society is back on course. With great power comes great responsibility, natch.

i dont believe that screenshot. no studio would be that based to actually go through with it.

Also guys, what do you think of P5r

>2 and 3 good
>4 and 5 bad

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I don’t see why not. They’re not specifically dates as much as they are events. It’s not like the P3 protagonist was actually dating the hanged man arcana girl.

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>the perfect gameplay
>that engaging storyline
>the perfect timing
>the dating sim element mixed with the gameplay
>the artstyle

if you can't enjoy persona 5,you better go play fortnite

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The game also has heavy Japanese political connotations, zeroing in on the huge ideological gap between kids and adults. That's why there are constant references from not only Ryuji but almost everyone about adults vs the younger generation. The adults think they know better because they're adults. The game is meant to empower a younger generation of more liberal Japanese people who wish to tear down many of these older customs that the older generations hold onto. Japan more than a lot of other countries, focuses heavily on tradition and how it should never be broken. I also remember hearing awhile back that on 2ch the game was criticized for being far too left leaning.

if they aren't an option for christmas/valentines then it doesn't count. i want my romance option for real.

>Perfect Gameplay
Yeah I guess
>That engaging storyline
Okumura onwards was a fucking snooze, Sae's dungeon was an outlier just because it's so fucking snappy and had a great atmosphere
>The perfect timing
What?
>Dating sim element mixed with gameplay
The romance isn't done well in Persona games. There's no inclusion in the plot. Nothing changes if you don't romance anyone.
>The artstyle
Sure.

SMT is fucking gay and nobody gives a shit about it. Fucking dead gay franchise

a segment is different if you romance someone

what should change?
is just an additional thing you can do
and you can get the chocolate

i even't romance anyone and watched a scene with ryuji for example

Fuck that, why I can't romance Sae

old busted hag, thats why.

So is Kawakami, your point?

Gameplay and artstyle are good, rest is trash.

lolis are better.

Shut the fuck up ESL kid.

It's actually really good. You've just trained yourself to think that anything that isn't in [Dialect of your choice] is god awful and embarrassing, ESPECIALLY when you see anime paired with it.

You play video games for good writing? What games do you even play? 90s WRPGs that happen to play like complete shit but are pretentious enough to please you? Because video games have universally shit writing.

100 hours? Took me about 35.

>In short, The game's making a statement about older vs younger generations in Japan.
Well what is it then?
That's a claim that is based on another claim, done by yourself. It's an argument based on another argument you've pretended to have won much like twitter LGBT faggots do.

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>many of these older customs
Like?
>from not only Ryuji but almost everyone
Like?
>focuses heavily on tradition and how it should never be broken.
Like?
You just used an extremely long-winded claim.
Not any examples or elaborations.
>2ch the game was criticized for being far too left leaning.
Pretending Japanese left and US left are the same is hilarious.

Where you even paying attention to story? Have you been in on ANY of the conversation surrounding this game since it came out?

skip the cutscenes idiot