Why can't Bethesda hire decent writers?

Because Fallout 4 like Witcher 3 is not an RPG

its not bad, its just too convenient for the PC. Convincing a president to kill himself should take much more than one speech check even if he is a computer. They took to the extreme.

based Pete

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looks like new vegas is better.

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100+ replies incoming

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This is the actual part for those who are curious, made me rage how easily it gets dismissed with whataboutism :

>Player : Your Institute has done some horrible things.
>Shaun : Yes, well... the world is not what it used to be.
>Shaun : What about the people you've aided in order to get here? What atrocities have they committed?

But what if it is actually is too complicated for us to understand?

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>Convince a war thirsty barbarian to stop fighting because he will have to fight more.

BRAVO

unironically based, even with his games being shit

>rome is alien
?????

I think it really just comes down to the people in charge like At the time New Vegas was made, obsidian was filled with autismos who clearly needed a "Why" that needed to be explained before you put anything in the game.
In comparison it's pretty clear that Bethesda operates on a "that sounds cool" system.

There could at least be an option where you prod him into explaining his reasoning and after an hour long info dump if your intelligence isn't high enough your character kills himself.

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He's not wrong tho. Giving the option to opt out of dialogue is not the same as having a game devoid of dialogue.

To americans, yes. Anywhere outside of the US may as well be an alien planet.

and those brainlets still wonder why they get fallout 76

>america has a republican government inspired by rome with roman inspired architecture at its capitol
>even state has a city named "rome"
>alien to them
You really are obsessed with them, aren't you?

Because their head writer Emil is a longtime friend of Godd Howard, and the nepotism that runs rife in BGS prevents incompetent guys like that from ever getting replaced. So instead you'll just keep getting stories that make no fucking sense at all, as well as every story being MUH DAD/SON/HUSBAND/NEPHEW/whatever

Also it really can't be understated how fucking dumb a concept the institute and synths is. Sure, they took it from blade runner, but it makes zero sense introduced into Fallout's universe, because Fallout already has robot servants. There's literally no reason whatsoever for the Institute to develop synthetic androids for slave labor when you already have fucktons of robots that can already do that shit just fine.

The story was fucked from the start. If you're trying to be immersed then that means from the start of the game you will be doing the main quest and trying to find your son. Cuz who wouldn't look for their son if they were taken by you by the men who killed your wife? However, you wake up in a hole with a bullet in your brain. What do you do? Chase the guy who did it? Cut your losses and go the other direction? Count yourself lucky and live out the rest of your life in Goodsprings? NV and even Fallout 3 to an extent (dad disappearing is still a bit personal but he leaves unexpectedly and leaves you to deal with the shitstorm so theres lots of roleplay things at work) let you decide who the player character is. So they needed lots of different dialogue options in order to give the player the ability to create his own experience. Fallout 4's "Yes, Yes, Yes or reluctantly Yes" dialogue system is a side effect of the dramatic overhaul of the combat system. Fallout 4 is an open world action/adventure game, made for people like the first two replies in this thread. They don't give a fuck about writing and Bethesda knows this

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I don't understand your post but i like it

archive.is/47pLP
your link doesn't work.

>hates infighting and corruption
>models his government after imperial Rome
30 dimensions of chess

did caesar not read the end of the book about rome where it fell due to corruption

Anywhere outside of your irrelevant country, it may as well not exist. You'll always obsess over this "alien planet" though.

>roman
>barbarian
pick one

But would it fall due to corruption in the corrupted wasteland? or thrive?

What always bothered me especially about FO4's opening and the whole MUH SON plot, is that the obvious question even a mouth-breathing retard would be asking themselves is how long they were in suspended animation after the raiders stole your kid. It's literally the first fucking thing I wondered about when you fell back asleep. Yet your character, and you by proxy, simply are not allowed to ever ask this question in the game. The game forces you to be a fucking retard who somehow thinks that despite being frozen for 200+ years, the possibility of your son being taken years/decades/century ago and therefore no longer a baby, is simply not a possibility.
Because they need to have their M Night Shyamalan """twist""" that literally everyone smarter than an aussie abbo would be able to see coming.

Same reason why he gives that bullshit "it's too complicated for you to understand" cop-out. Because there is actually no logical justifiable reason for creating synths and then doing this body snatcher shit. So since they can't actually write themselves out of the whole they've dug, they just sweep it under the rug by directly refusing to give a justification at all.

>make 10 int character
>"Why are you killing people?"
>character with only 6 int tells me "It's too complicated for you to understand"
>no option to respond with navy seal copypasta tier response

>unironically prefers treated like a retard

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>hur dur me Caesar
>i enslave people but i am the good guy, really!
>my tribal warriors with baseball bats and machetes are totally able to kill a modern military power like the NCR

>The NCR is plagued with infighting and corruption
>So I modeled my gov off an ancient empire that was destroyed by infighting and corruption
Was Caeser retarded?

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I don't think there's anything wrong with Bethesda making Ubisoft open world games, because it's clear an actual RPG is way beyond their skillset. The writing isn't even 4's problem, it could be a semi-passable Far Cry game if it didn't lean so heavily on the dogshit Rust building mechanics.

What's wrong with his face?

or debate his points, he says that your companion commited atrocities above and you can't even defend yourself, all you can do is give the institute a chance or fuck off back to the surface, either get brainwashed or reject him, it's so stupid

there's the official reason : The institute wanted to model their synths after the "perfect machine" and for them that's the humans. Obviously they were wrong since synths ended up self aware the railroad was founded
The unoffical reason is that by making human like synths, they can blend in with other humans and even replace them without anyone noticing, as it happened with the Danse of the BoS and the Diamond City mayor

To be fair it took thousands of years for the last vestiges of the Roman empire to finally collapse. We'll see how long the American empire can last but they're only a few hundred years in.

>there are hundreds of good examples of bad writing in Fallout 4
>but obsidrones only ever post the one that isn't bad because they don't know any better
Ceaser is telling you all that because he overconfident that you'll either be loyal to him or that if you do betray him you'll never beat the army he has stationed around him.

Father doesn't tell you anything because he sees you as under him, you're a tool to him much like how the courier was to Ceasar, he doesn't have to tell you anything.

And YOU people
Have NEVER had a independent thought of your own, you are blindly saying what you were told to by your fellow drones, you hate Bethesda but you have no idea why.

Let me give you a quick history lesson.
Back in 2004 when Fallout 3 was announced, it was a massive change from the turn based RPG Fallout fans were used to, and more importantly it was far away from the west coast we had grown to know.
When the game released, some liked it, some didn't, this is where your hate stems from, your hate stems from the people who didn't like Fo3.

When New Vegas came into existence, that hatered was revived, but then when Obsidian fucked up, that hatred created Obsidrones, you.

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I actually forgot about that entirely lol I remember on my first playthrough I thought the exact same thing, and that eventually you were gonna find out how long its been and that everyone involved is dead, but the company of mercs who did the job is still around or something. At least then it would be a "Is my character the kind of guy to punish these mercs for something their company did 50+ years ago?" This is obviously one of a billion other better ideas yet somehow Bethesda fucked it all up royally. Like I know my idea sucks and I would not be here complaining if it was in the game instead

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Works for me. Did you tried .fo? archive.fo/47pLP

this is facts

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>$0.02 has been deposited into your acccount

Without looking at wikipedia, who's the Hamletic character of ancient Rome and what did he start?

Rome, beyond surface level imagination(gained more from Asterix, which by itself is very good, than from actual knowledge of it) is incredibly alien to us.

>Hey complete stranger, why don't you take this incredibly important object into this bunker, I won't send any of my people with you, and whatever you tell me after I'll completely believe

NV had godawful writing.

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He had a lot of men. His military strategy basically boiled down to having a human wall of under-equipped fresh meat to protect his elite soldiers, who are heavily armed. Seriously heavily armed. There's a reason people consider the Praetoriani the best source of Ballistic Fists.

that would be a great motivation for creating synths had it turned out the Institute were EVIL and had a "humanity replacement program" so they could control the few remaining factions left

But instead they swear that they're humanity's last hope, yet never explain why exactly synths would be humanity's last hope...

I've seen some hardcore shilling for FO4 and even FO76 the last two days, it seems bethesda is running damage control again since 76 continues to be a dumpster fire. The worst part is i'm sure they don't even realize they're doing it, they're just being contrarian Yea Forums

House used the courier specifically because they were an outsider and had no stake in, or idea about, what was going on

Hey dingus, this is about Fallout 4. Go cry in your boomer hole and play fallout 76, leave us to actually talk about video games.

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>he can't refute it so he screams shill at me
Cry harder, obsidrone.

I really hate nu-v so much

We already know for a fact that bethesda does astroturfing and paid shills. Same thing happened last year with FO76's announcement, with the BIDF coming out of the woodwork every thread spewing the same bullshit.

And considering they just had their recent FO76 rebranding and damage control thing go on at E3, and now they're doing free trials desperately trying to get people to pick it up, it stands to reason the same thing is happening again right now.

haven't we discussed this to death?

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The real issue is that Caesar wasn't really copying the Roman empire, just it's trappings. He wasn't replicating anything that made the Roman Empire perminant. This was by design though, he intended the Legion to be a tool, and when it served it's purpose he would wed it to the NCR and forge a unified country out of that.

the worst part is they didn't go with the far better obvious twist; you're a synth the entire time.

refute what? You never made an argument

So why is the Institute creating sentient beings, killing and replacing innocents, and committing terrorist attacks to stop the Commonwealth from developing a working government?

art direction is always more important than graphical fidelity

why did they give in to the battle royal meme

Bethesda always follows trends.

Well nu-Yea Forums worships Bethesda and CDPR and hates old Obsidian and New Vegas so you’ll have to remind them.

TIL that my ISP is blocking archive site.

>So why is the Institute creating sentient beings, killing and replacing innocents, and committing terrorist attacks to stop the Commonwealth from developing a working government?
THERE YOU GO! USE THAT INSTEAD OF THE OP PIC!

>it's not an argument when I can't refute it

>it took thousands of years for the last vestiges of the Roman empire to finally collapse.
it took a couple hundred.

>story supports gameplay
>story and gameplay amounts to "follow the quest marker and kill enemies/grab item"

what else can they honestly do?

Like adding a new raid dungeon or raising the level cap wont bring players back / gain new players.

>you're a synth the entire time
It's implied in Far Harbor. The player character can't remember anything before the day the bombs fell which could as well be an artificial memory.

But it can go both ways, whatever suits your headcanon.

>Caesar's legion
>similar to rome in anything but name
>long term sustainability

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Or you could ask why is the Institute killing people because it gets exactly the same point across? The OP doesn't say "Why is Caesar enslaving people, raiding cities, crucifying people and treating them brutally?" it also says "Why are you killing people?"

>Father doesn't tell you anything because he sees you as under him, you're a tool to him
Let's assume the player is a tool :
>Shaun : The Institute has enough scientists, it needs a leader
>Shaun : I believe my father has already proven himself more than capable in that regard.
Why would Shaun trust him with leading a highly complex and sophisticated faction? That's a recipe for disaster

>killed your wife
>he didn't play as the wife

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Byzantine Empire is Roman whether you like it or not

>how come this guy in a pristine lab coat in a pristine room are less detailed than this man wearing furs in a decorated tent?

they have become so successful that it doesn't matter anymore the bar has been lowered and anything goes

If your language doesn't come from latin you are not human

>bethshit
>gameplay

Fuck this fucking turd

>NV has much better roleplaying and story
>still have more fun with FO4 because the combat doesn't feel like ass and power armor feels powerful

re-allocate all staff and resources being wasted on it to more fruitful projects

Average NCRcuck

I liked the small twist of the little kid Shaun synth thinking you're his parent when you destroy the Institute. Made me emotional.

But on the whole yeah the whole idea doesn't make much sense. The Institute is way too high tech for the setting and their motivations don't make much sense.

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that's cuckellone writing, he only wrote those DLCs

>Why would Shaun trust him with leading a highly complex and sophisticated faction?
He doesn't, he lies to you to keep you docile, when you become ""leader"" you end up having no actual control, The Institute is controlled by a board of people, you are not one of them. You're a monkey with a title.

But neither answer the question?

>double digit
thats still too generous

The main game and DLCs had different writers?
that explains a lot actually

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so this is the power of zoomers.

thats why the minutemen 'kill em all' route is the most satisfying. fuck blimps and fuck robots

you absolute bellend, its the same question for both people. What more do you want?
And you havent given out any proper answer, btw. The writing is still dogshit

Someone get me the "Yea Forums boards sorted by average IQ" image

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not all DLCs, Honest Hearts was mainly written by Sawyer
the other 3 mostly by Avellone
the main game mostly by Sawyer, Gonzalez and Fenstermaker.

that's because you don't have the competence Shaun had, most board members (mainly Justin) opposed your nomination but Shaun pushed through. Shaun should have consulted them beforehand and told them player would just be a puppet. But it seemed he genuinely wanted you to take his place, especially in his horrible health condition.

show vs tell, top is failing it

How did you answer?

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>when you become ""leader"" you end up having no actual control

nah, that's just how Bethesda does all their faction quests
>congratulations you are the omega god demi arch mage supreme of the mages guild, btw everyone will still treat you like a nobody and you can't actually tell us to do anything but you get a cool room :),

>you didn't mod in a lesbian couple

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The DLCs had an incredibly short release cycle because of the Microsoft deal, so they were super fucking lean operations. You can tell which one was made in less than a month (it's Honest Hearts) because of how primitive it is.

its kinda dumb to expect anything more than that. in 2d RPGs its WAY easier to add that shit because its all just text. once games became 3d and more interactive, adding all that in-depth autism is just too much work.

No.
Then I reported him to The Institute.

Reminder that Avellone is terrible writer.

Then play another game fuckwit, the main point of Fallout games is the dialouge.

Kingdom Come's Prib DLC attempted it through your decisions in building. You know, building, that thing that's FO4's major mechanic.

>the main point of Fallout games is the dialouge.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

>he's still crying

BETHESDA,

HIRE THIS MAN

What exactly did he see in Imperial Rome that would make it fit into a post-apocalyptic world? If he wanted what he's saying, it sounds like communism would be pretty well fit.

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He was taking about when Ceaser sends you to destroy the robot army.

They even turned that mercenary in some unaging cyborg to hide their ruse. Just make him a synthetic as well, it would at least make some sense.

Making synths as anything but a disposable army/spies/occupying force makes no sense at all.

This but the exact opposite

Since we're on the topic of writing, what the fuck is up with FO2? How do you go from dread and despair in FO1 to le wacky references in FO2?

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The issue, I suspect, is writing is a secondary concern to Bethesda. Bethesda has two priorities when they make these games - content/dungeons to explore; and wrestling their terrible dev tools into submission.

I honestly forgot why synths exist, let alone why they look human. Did the Institute kill people and then get a synth to replace them in the Commonwealth? Would that be for surveillance purposes?

>imperial rome
>communism
Why you gotta be like this

Never said I was seeing them as similar, user. I was proposing an alternative

Different dev team/publisher/director?

It's like inconsistent sequels are new to you or something. This isn't something we haven't seen hundreds of times.

This
>some fuck walks up to your throne and asks you to explaon your motivations

Anyone who gives a long-winded speech here is a literal questgiver npc. Actual people would just say "fuck off".

>ADHD isn't a real symp-

>I honestly forgot why synths exist, let alone why they look human. Did the Institute kill people and then get a synth to replace them in the Commonwealth?
Yes.
>Would that be for surveillance purposes?
No one knows. Sometimes you even find the synthetic and he original meeting each other. You're also supposed to feel sympathy for synths for some reason even though they probably killed their original.

>some fuck

I mean Caesar literally addresses this in conversation and it's recognized that the player character is a lot more important than "some fuck", especially as you're most likely his only lead on the Chip and who gets access to House's robots.

But hurr durr contrarian me hate exposition.

>especially as you're most likely his only lead on the Chip and who gets access to House's robots.
Contrived as fuck. Just take apart a robot and reverse engineer the signal.

The Institute does a lot of things "for the science lulz." They have synth gorillas and animals. They have some walled off section where they tried to replicate Super Mutants. For mankind's greatest minds in the most unique and advantageous position possible to rebuild the world they're all about as stupid as you'd expect from Bethesda writing.

You could just say you did not actually play the game, bro. Quit while you're behind.

If you ranked the entire human race by a ratio of intelligence:influence they have within the organization they work for, Pete Hines would probably be at the very bottom of that. It's hard to get dumber than Hines without outright being mentally retarded. He's pretty much proof positive that Bethesda operates entirely on nepotism.

>take down bot
>assuming you survive the attack, start taking apart the bot
>swarm of bots come to reclaim the scrap/kick the ass of the victor
>know this
>instead of field stripping, drag the bot back to your lair
>bots follow your tracks or you fuck up the reverse engineer attempt and send a signal letting them know where you are
>bots go to your lair
>fuck up you
>fuck up your lair
>steal your shit
>you die of blood loss from the rectum
But at least you were the victor. Get it? Victor?

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>reverse engineer the signal when its utilizing pre-war encryption that maybe three people in all of Usa could decypher, House being one of them and ghouls being the other two.

don't every reply to my two word posts with a paragraph of whogivesafuck ever again you little shit

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My son is such a dick. I'm happy i killed him.

they only learned about old civilization though history books and of course they are not going to talk shit about it if they want you to cooperate with them, i'm talking not only about the Legion but also about the Khans

>Father doesn't tell you anything because he sees you as under him, you're a tool to him much like how the courier was to Ceasar, he doesn't have to tell you anything.

Caesar wants to meet the Courier because the Courier has ties to important things, proves themselves undeniably capable and is also a way to spy on House and the NCR.

Father doesn't tell you anything because Bethesda can't write for shit. In FO4 you're also an unstoppable kill machine in charge of at least one local militia with possible ties to one of two organizations that can actually destroy the Institute. As well as a hyper autist super genius that reverse engineered Fucking Teleportation with some junk and a retarded electrician. You're also Shaun's *birth parent.* Sure, Shaun was too young to recognize and appreciate that. It should still count for something.

Then of course this guy who "sees you as a tool" entrusts the safety and future of his entire organization to you, appoints you leader of the entire faction and dies before or after(I forget which but it doesn't matter he doesn't acknowledge it) you destroy those other two antagonist factions that the entire Institute and their perfect clone men robot assassins couldn't handle.

We get tourists in my homeland that are often puzzled why ancient ruins look so similar to the whitehouse or lincoln memorial.

Caesar's dialogue was fucking cringe. Walls of exposition is not good writing.

They have to keep dumbing everything down for the spics and blacks

Good thing the brotherhood arent around to take care of this giant cache of prewar tech that literally everyone knows about

>Just reverse engineer a securitron, it'd be so easy to find out what that software update would do on this 2 century old robot when theres 5 living people with the skills to even try
>All securitrons have a black box that pings location and system health at regular intervals with a link to houses servers and house straight up tells you this when you do something about the brotherhood of steel
The moment you try cracking open a securitron house would be on your ass with as big an army as he can build in the intervening time between finding out and them arriving at your location.
The only reason benny wasn't killed was because house saw him as a potential successor and was basically allowing him to make yes man, he likely didn't know benny suceeded or the no gods no masters ending wouldnt make sense.

>sentences are a wall
Welcome to baby's first RPG, second grader.

Hes right for the wrong reasons. Being able to just walk out of conversations like a douche is a cool option. Shame people dont react to it or hate you for it in fallout 4.

They talked about this back before Skyrim, the original intention was always to allow you to talk to someone, then 'break away' and still have the conversation going, so things are more natural and you aren't just glued to somebody's face when you're talking to them. They failed to implement it in Skyrim and failed again in Fallout 4.

If the Legion was more developed, it could've been interesting if you found some abadoned library that was considered too dangerous to go into, and inside there were hundreds of books detailing everything about the Roman Empire and its downfall. Then you'd give it to Caesar so that he'd either improve his vision or double down even further on what he thought was the right thing.

>Victor isn't a companion
Just admit it's garbage already god damn.

I'd say Brutus. He was divided by personal loyalty and national loyalty and family loyalty.

Im astounded that bethesda pushed FO4 out the door without realizing that all 4 of their factions were fundamentally unsympathetic and uninteresting
in addition to just poor writing

with new vegas, at least one of the factions would be cool to someone (yes man) even if you disagreed with everyone else

Exposition isn't inherently bad. Its about how it is used and delivered. Caesar explaining himself at that point in the narrative makes perfect sense and is important information. You could maybe make a point that it can get dull listening to him while he talks with nothing else going on but I'd say the dialogue is strong enough that it doesn't matter.

But there are no swarms of bots, that's what the chip is for.

play a real RPG like the first Fallout, it never indulges in lore wank and exposition to the degree that New Vegas does

The problem is that it's contrived and cheesy, nothing to do with it "being dull".

>there will never be a fleshed out Legion faction
>even if an NV remaster happens and Obsidian is behind it, they'll not do justice because they hate the Legion and would erase any chance of joining them

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also said no, but reported to the brotherhood for power-armor on synth rapening.

Then why do all Bethesda games have terrible core gameplay?

Bethesda has also never heard of art direction or gameplay.

how can those robots even have the mental capacity to resemble modern AI when they haven't even invented the transistor in the Fallout Universe?

>no, I've actually taken bullet wounds you dumb faggot

Shut up Pete

Why do people pretend bad games are good?
You are not going to win here. The only person you are fooling is yourself.

>But there are no swarms of bots, that's what the chip is for.
I know your statement isn't meant to be taken seriously, but I can't figure out what you really meant by it. I mean, either you're trying to tell a joke, or you just didn't play the game. But the people who haven't played new vegas, wouldn't bother trying to troll in this fashion. So what's the joke?

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To make other people angry, mostly.

why the fuck are people with 2 digits of IQ in charge of anything? You can see it in his eyes that he just wants to smash buttons and be bombarded with flashy images when he plays a video-game

I don't think anyone is angry at this point. Bethesda and blizzard now can shake hands of achieving something incredible, beating even EA on levels of shit.

what does it take to be a writer for video games?
formal training? experience? do they just hire interns or what?

Being a failed writer is a very good start. Its just like how gaming journalists work. Both hate gaming and couldn't get a job.

Any sort of education is good but experience is more important.
Write shit. Finnish projects. Having things you've done is more valuable than a degree.

>Communism
>Sustainable

Really flexing that double digit IQ there.