>does the worst possible thing to market your own game's third outing months before it's even out
Seriously what the fuck did he think was going to happen? Who the shit is going to buy Shenmue 3 enough to fund Shenmue 4,5,6 much less the god damn Shenmue 3 Season Pass?
Seriously what the fuck.
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>does the worst possible thing to the game months before it's out
Is this a trend?
Why did Yu Suzuki try to make Shenmue some multi-game epic? Its cool but at the same time we wont be even halfway through the plot, how are we even going to get Shenmue 4 or 5?
The fact he said Shenmue 3 is ONLY 40% of the story now is infuriating. How much fucking longer do you have to stretch out some fucking kung fu revenge story? How many times do we have to watch Ryo fumble his way to re-learning how to be NOT a robot and more of a human being? Shit sake. Should have a fucking time skip or something else because at the pace we're going this shit will never happen.
It also doesnt help that Shenmue, nice as it is, has some awful pacing. You really could condense most of the plot to just a few games, or even just one game.
It was probably the publisher's doing moreso than Suzuki or his company. Of course it was their choice to go with the scum at Deep Silver, but it's not necessarily directly his fault.
I have to imagine that selling your most fans like a commodity to the highest bidder is not a sustainable business practice though. These are the people who are vocal in their support, and if you make them upset, they will be vocal in their hatred. I donated to Julian Gollop's Chaos Reborn, though I didn't donate to Phoenix Point, and after seeing how the Phoenix Point backers were treated, there's no chance I'll ever back another crowdfunding effort from him.
I'm probably done with crowdfunding in general, mores the pity. A lot of my favorite games of recent years came from kickstarters, but I'm not interested in being sold to Epic.
Does that 40% include the season pass?
Yes, no bullshit.
the difference is that Phoenix Poiint's developers were also upfront, offered refunds, and was open to communication after the announcement too.
Ys Net? Says you to go fuck yourself and literally "Please understand".
Now I know you got to be joking. Shenmue is supposedly some 11 chapter saga, with 2 alledgedly comprising 3-4. We should be way over that point with Shenmue 3, especially since Yu said he always wanted 4-5 games in total. He's probably going to be 60 or 80 by the time the series is finished.
It's still equally scummy in my book. A crowdfunded game has no business selling out the people who funded its creation. It's just wrong.
If the backers could use steam keys while everyone else was saddled with Epic exclusivity, I wouldn't hold it against the devs, just Epic, but selling your fans disgusts me. Your game wouldn't even be in development without the people who were so dedicated to your vision that they put up money for it with no expectation of a return, and now you're just casually tossing them aside like they mean nothing to you.
Holy shit. Hopefully he puts some extra arcade cabinets then.
Has he mentioned a potential 6, most I've heard was "4 or 5 games".
>implying the series will ever be finished
You are extremely optimistic.
Suda 51 is putting out Travis Strikes Again and No More Heroes 3 by now. Not that I expect Shenmue to get a satisfying ending, but I at least expect it to get some ending, even if the game devolves into a VN or the plot gets wrapped up in manga format.
Oh yes I'm agreeing with you user. The difference being PP's devs were upfront and willing to work with backers while Yu Suzuki told us to just deal with it so it sucks even harder.
There are no SEGA arcade games in the entirety of Shenmue 3. He said instead there will be other games (mini games or otherwise) that he thinks people would enjoy. Sure as shit isn't going to be that turtle racing garbage though.
>There are no SEGA arcade games in the entirety of Shenmue 3
I mean if Sega was asking for money to license them, then I would argue it's entirely reasonable for them to spend their budget on more important things than Super Hang On.
who gives a fuck about the advertising, the game itself looks fucking awful.
>There are no SEGA arcade games in the entirety of Shenmue 3.
I've only played the first Shenmue, and Hang On and Space Harrier really helped to alleviate the downtime, so I really hope those minigames are that fun, especially if it's going to finish at only 40% of the story.
>mfw I saw it all
>the fighting looks worse in every way
>where the fuck is the music
>that presentation for the turtle racing
>NO music at all
>or even ambient noise for the area he's at
>the people still talk and move like it's just a Dreamcast game with 2006 textures
>the actor for Ryo Hazuki STILL has literally no emotion in his voice
What the fucking shit man
The bigger question is, how much of a budget did Shenmue 3 really have? If it was really 6-million, fine. But we have no fucking clue what Sony, Deep Silver, and Epic gave Ysnet, who knows if it was 30-ish million like Shenmue 1 and 2 were.
>>the actor for Ryo Hazuki STILL has literally no emotion in his voice
Nostalgiafags would have flipped their shit if they didn't bring back the same shitty voice actor from the originals
It undoubtedly reached double-digit millions at this point, you don't go through 3 different publishers and end up with only the crowdfunded budget.
Sony and Epic were never attached as publishers.
But where did they spend it on? I hate how copy paste the Yakuza games are, but you can tell where the money went on them with the Dragon Engine. I assume most of it went into prototyping Shenmue 3 for later sequels, or are they holding on really fucking tight to their money to stretch the budget out to another 3 games?
Suzuki is a greedy fuck, he even took the funding for shenmue and bought a land at Shizuoka Japan. He accepted epic's bribe to fund his bottomless greed, he can't be innocent. He is a fraud.
You're right, should've said companies. It's definitely true they have all given Y's Net quite a lot of money though.
We'll have to wait and see.
Proofs?
But one would think with new voice directing he would I don't know have a better performance. What the fuck though.
The only other explanation was that Shenmue 1 + 2 HD bombed at retail and Suzuki took any amount of money that would allow them to fund Shenmue 4. Because lets be honest its not likely S3 will get another delay for "polishing" at this rate, I just wonder how much Epic pays out.
>It's definitely true they have all given Y's Net quite a lot of money though
Deep Silver certainly. Epic is giving money to Deep Silver though, so I wouldn't bet that any of that is going towards development. Whatever deal they made with Sony was done before the massive success of the Kickstarter so it was probably a lot less than we imagine.
Are we going to be moving fucking crates and being haggled by street vendors again in this game? Because I thought the point of the first two games was to get over that so Ryo didn't have to do that shit anymore.
I have to give the game some credit. It really does feel like a sequel that emulates the originals in every way possible while ignoring modern trends. The only thing that has changed is the resolution really. It really does feel like it could have came out around the time the other games came out, and keeping the identity of the original games is appealing to someone like me.
>Deep Silver took the money
Then who is paying Ys Net to develop the game? Who is paying Ys Net's dev salary?
Deep Silver funded Yu Suzuki, Yuzuki paid his workers. But oh boy I'm sure the EPIC money stays in Deep Silver's pocket.
Yeah, I'm surprised to see people upset that it hasn't changed much, I would have thought that was the primary appeal. From what I've seen the game it looks to me like exactly what Shenmue has always been, I would expect fans to be excited, if not for all this Epic unpleasantness.
There's a lot more of that shit in this game, yeah.
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From what I have been following, most actual fans seemed to like it before the epic thing. I think its people who were only semi-familiar to the series thinking wtf. I am not a fan myself, but I recognize this because I generally wish the games I like kept their identity the way shenmue does.
Epic's money is definitely at the veyr least going THROUGH Deep Silver. Maybe it actually is going to Ysnet. The reason I doubt it is because of Deep Silver's history. Techland clearly despised Deep Silver, Volition released their worst games under Deep Silver's management, and Deep Silver games have been the ones taking Epic deals left and right, so it's likely associated with them as a publisher rather than individual developers.
This is all speculation, but there is just as much, if not more validity to the speculation that Deep Silver are pocketing all of Epic's money as the idea that it's all going towards development of the game.
The only odd thing to me is that they're going with a cartoony aesthetic for the character models when I always felt like they were trying to make things as realistic as possible in the first two games. Obviously I understand that this will probably look better and be cheaper than being as realistic as possible, but it's a definite change that marks 3 as being different from its predecessors.
>if not more validity to the speculation that Deep Silver are pocketing all of Epic's money as the idea that it's all going towards development of the game.
When you see how THQ-Nordic, DS' parent company is doing, it really does add quite a lot of validity to that. Hell I would be surprised if Nordic hasn't already attempted to put them in line by now with how much bad press they've been generating.
Yeah, it's odd, I was expecting Deep Silver to dissolve after joining Nordic, but it seems like they have some level of autonomy for some reason. They don't seem to fully answer to Nordic, I don't really get why, but I guess that's just down to corporate politics.