Why isn't this considered survival horror? It's pretty spooky to me

it is a survival horror duh who says it isnt?

I wish more games had enemies like the mannequin splicers who move when not in your field of view but stay still when you can see them

I remember the area you encountered them was this large partially-flooded room with large pillars, and when you'd move back and forth with the pillars in your view and the mannequins behind them, you could actually see how their positions would change when your vision gets obscured by the pillars. Really cool effect.

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Play system shock and have sex

it's got horror elements but zero survival elements: ammo and health are plentyful, theres no resource management needed, etc

I completed every SYSH and bang your mom every night, son.

Because "survival" implies that there are enemies you're helpless against and need to avoid while literally everything in Bioshock is designed to be viciously murdered by you if you can get gud. Its an action game with horror elements.

It’s an action game with imple rog mechanics with a few spooked ya scenes at best.

I've completed this game at least 3 times, what fucking horror elements?

Are you actually retarded?
>It didn't scare me so it's not horror
Nosferatu is still a horror movie retard

I ask you again, what fucking horror elements?

You either didnt play the game, or youre autistic and cannot understand what a horror element even is, my bet is both

If it's not horror then Dead Space isn't horror. Cool.

I ask you again, what fucking horror elements?

JUMPSCARES

The little jump scares it has like in that doctors office when you loot the tonic and the splicer is standing right behind you

Before the thread can progress, having a definition of survival horror we can all agree on is the best move.

I might be hoping for too much.

Bioshock Infinite is the real survival horror game in the series

Series may not survive after it (I'm sure it's "totally being worked on guys!")
Seeing what they did to the franchise was horrifying
Elizabeth is being whored out

It's cool but once you know how it works you'll never look away from them so they're just easy targets at that point.

>jumpscare
>horror
Yawn, next please?

Yeah because living in a dystopia is awesome! Get the fuck out of here. Even beyond that, the game isn't just dysphoria in theme, it is literally full on survival horror. Between the splicers, big daddies, environment, and whatever other creepy shit trying to kill you, it's absolutely survival horror. You don't need a ton of blood and viscera to be scary.

go suck mommys dick pussy faggot

Horror games with the ability to resist threats directly but at cost of limited resources.

Remember the time you’re wading through that flooded hallway and you see the shadow of the doctor and then lights go out and when you reach the room he isn’t there and then you have to turn BACK around and then he jumps out from some closet when you’re in the hallway.

Was unironically pretty spooky

It's not a survival game nor is it a game with an emphasis on horror.

The sequence when you first get the shotgun is a better example imho
>Shotgun lying in the middle of a dim room illuminated by a single light
>As soon as you pick it up the lights go out and you can hear a bunch of enemies running around you
>The light turns back on and they are coming at you from multiple directions in drips and drabs, you can't even see them until they're pretty much right in your face

Even as someone who doesn't play horror games I wouldn't say it's a particularly scary game though. It's just a very atmospheric FPS that tries to make the player uncomfortable

refer to this post please

Theres fucking ghosts who are reliving their lives and in the first 10 fucking minutes of the game the splicer bitch tries to get into the stupid submarine thing while youre completely unarmed

It's more like a haunted house shooter.

Simple example:
>You go into a dentist's office and loot a specific box
>When you turn around, a Splicer is literally standing right behind you looking over your shoulder

nice argument, have sex

>nor is it a game with an emphasis on horror.
Why are you lying? The whole game is full of fucked up deformed drug addicts making LOUD NOISES with bloody murder written on the walls in dark corridors etc.

10/10 response, fantastic contribution to the topic of discussion.

Not that user but the setting is pretty fucked. The kind of experiments people did on others and themselves, basically everyone is on super power drugs, everything is ruined and falling apart, little girls are turned into monsters who stab corpses while singing, drug addicts hunt you down while warping themselves into things that are barely human and you’re pretty much one of the few sane people there.

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The simple fix there is to have rooms and enemies set up so that you cannot always be looking at all of them at the same time. And sure, it's not as impressive during a second play when you already know what they are and how they work, but that's true of everything. That's why Dark Souls is a lot easier when you replay it.

Edgy =/= Horror

I fucking love Andrew Ryan. He's so satisfying to listen to. Also the Ryan The Lion shit in Burial At Sea was cool.

not an argument

You have to learn what survival horror genre is. I think wikipedia can help you, my new friend

Least the devs that left that Hack Ken made better stuff.

Like Void Bastards!

Do you consider REMake 2 survival horror? RE4? Obviously BioShock isn't survival horror-focused, no one's saying that. But it absolutely has horror elements, and you're a dude that has to survive creepy basically magic bullshit. There's horror and you have to survive. It's no less that genre than RE7 is. One just has a little more shooting in it.

>Obviously BioShock isn't survival horror-focused, no one's saying that
>no one's saying that
You might wanna re-read the thread

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Fair. I meant classical survival horror like RE. My point was that RE doesn't even fall into that anymore. Bioshock meets the criteria of the modern definition of it though.

>But it absolutely has horror elements
Read my first post.
>and you're a dude that has to survive creepy basically magic bullshit
With that argument, every combat related game is a survival game. Survival genre relies on resource management. There is 0 resource management.

You have plenty of resources in game...also you dont die and the punishment is basically 0, A good game, kinda overrated if not for the writing.

Well I guess most games labelled survival horror are just actually 3rd person shooters.

The atmosphere is creepy, but you always have a shitload of weapons. That's why it's not an horror game.

Congratulations, you realized about that

>My point was that RE doesn't even fall into that anymore.
RE7 and RE2make are very much survival horror. Are you retarded?

doesn't have awful controls and camera

Are you really trying to tell me that those games are any more survival horror, in the classical sense, than Bioshock is?

You are not nearly as strained for resources in Bioshock as you are in either of those games. There is also no fucking resource or item management in Bioshock. In RE7 and RE2make you are incentivized to avoid as many encounters as possible to preserve ammo just like in the original RE. You're not given special powers to make combat encounters cool you are given basic weapons that you are only meant to use if you have to. You are either a goddamn retard or you never actually played RE1 and have no idea what makes the genre what it is.

If you play on the hardest difficulty, ammo management becomes much more important, at least until you get the upgraded crossbow or loot every single container like me.
The machine gun sucks absolute ass on hard, that shit does 0 damage unless you have anti-personnel. But I agree that Bioshock isn't survival horror.

Games that aren't strictly pure "horror" games but have scary parts are infinitely more scary than survival horror games could ever be because you're not always prepared for it whereas with horror games you're constantly expecting the worst and expecting jumpscares around every corner.

So why not just call them ammo management simulators?