Is joker the most powerful smt character?

It is though? It was my understanding that the problem is nobody remembers it.

SMT is multiverse canon faggotry so everything and nothing is canon. It's a cop out but leaves a lot of room for creativity

FeMC is "not canon" in the same way Innocent Sin is "not canon": it exists, but in a separate timeline from the main one.

Fucking this. Thank you.

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Not even a proper Demiurge though, he's just a powerful dude that claims the name, he isn't a creator god in any capacity

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He's like B-tier at very best.
Play more SMT you pleb.

Same as any other demon or god in Persona, they're just aspects of the human consciousness instead of actual gods. Except for Marie who can control the weather somehow.

Not really, I'm pretty sure smt has a handful of planet cracking tier protagonists like the Demi-Fiend. If we are counting the ability to actually summon demons I'm not sure if he would even stack up to MT and SMT 1s protags.

Door's weak as hell. Dude didn't even really seal Nyx, what he's holding back is Erebus from touching Nyx, and Erebus is a fucking nobody that is easily killed and the only problem is it regenerates.

Even Yu and Joker manage to wipe their respective deity enemies out of existence and don't sacrifice their life to do so.

>stands up

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Demifiend's "planet cracking" tier in the same sense I'm the god of electricity for flipping a light switch.

He's not accomplished anything. I mean hell, the biggest thing he can do is become Lucifer's general, meanwhile multiple other SMT protags can straight up kill Lucifer in their main plot.

Demi-Fiend can literally say fuck the rules and remake the world as he sees fit by virtue of punching the giant disco ball moon god hard enough, it's only your own choice to follow someone else's Reason.

Autism bunny is

I feel like the perception of Demi-fiend's strength largely comes from (1) how hard Nocturne can be, and (2) his appearance in DDS. Depending on how much you attributes his feats to Dagda and other forces backing him, I think Nanashi did more than Demi-fiend.

Mister could you please sit down?

I wish I had time to complete all the SMT games, even the classics. I only beat 4 but I can't call myself a true fan yet.

retard

Yu didn't wipe anyone out. He just made her leave and never return

So what about the universe arcana of which existence Igor was unaware?

Thing is by virtue of all Demi-fiends other appearances he didn't choose anything but to become Lucifer's general.

If you beat 4 then 4A should be a smoother ride, you just have to suffer through worse character writing.

HEY
You don't talk to my wife like that.

>thinking any persoshit character is stronger than any smt character
the only one that comes close would be minato and he'd probably ever struggle against kazuya

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He's not even the strongest Persona character nigga

>ChadDoor-kun summons 2 Personas at once all by himself
>VirginJoker needs strenght off all people of Tokyo to summon one Persona
Yikes...

Yeah, he can remake the world as he sees fit... during the conception... when he reaches and interacts with Kagutsuchi. The same way every single vortex world in the entire amala multiverse forms a new world or dies out, with regular ass humans being the ones who do it usually.

Slap any SMT protag into a vortex world and they'd be able to do the same exact thing, but probably have the option to kill Lucifer while they're at it.

Door is objectively stronger than Yu, Yu lost to Elizabeth, Door won

That's just one timeline.

Retard

How long until Door Jesus is back? They better not dropped the whole Elizabeth story.

kill a god with one hit

P5A, friend. us p3chads will rise up

before the end of p4 yeah, but he could beat her now

>kills a force of nature with one finger

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Not even talking about Persona characters, I'm just saying Demifiend's not nearly as strong as that. Kazuya would fuck Demifiend up easy.

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He lost to Elizabeth after P4

Will he ever be back? Or is Atlus still salty that people found out that he was supposed to be P5 protag.

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You mean
>Seals a shit-tier demon with his ENTIRE LIFE FORCE

The Answer shit on door so hard, it's unbelievable.

not even close, no

i read that as margaret. anyway he can beat her ass now

No lol

nocturne lucifer is on a completely different level, it's funny how many people forget this

>saves the world
vs.
>saves a rice village in fucking nowhere
>saves a city

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this

He can't, he lost. He couldn't beat someone that Door could

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SIT
DOWN

Isn't Kazuya just a normal dude

>dabs on The World Wild cards
Absolutely based.

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Still p4A not ultimax

Why does that matter

can't find the smt one

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>people deluded enough to forget apathy syndrome was world wide
>people deluded enough to forget that Nyx was causing world wide mayhem
>people deluded enough to ignore the fact Nyx was the fucking Moon and that only through absolute, sheer determination did Door-Kun get shit done
There are people itt that are so stupid they think some shitty fog in one city is enough of a threat to matter compared to the entire world actually entering a colapse, just because they like the babby chad more.
Its all cannon anyways. Fightan are officialy cannon, for whatever reason, so Door-kun still best.

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>long-hair Naoto
I am glad that abomination is behind us. It's a sin.

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But he's not. He's not even in a different form, nothing suggests he's any different from Lucifer. He's just difficult for Demifiend to face, probably because Demifiend's not very strong.

A normal dude with huge amounts of magnetite in his body that make him basically superhuman, and the reincarnation of Adam. He's already beaten a demifiend too, and YHVH's chosen Messiah.

Is the real answer Seraph?

Isn't it implied that Margaret is stronger than Elizabeth?

Yeah but he had his whole party to fight her, Elizabeth is a forced solo fight in P3

How and where? Because PQ2 makes El the last Velvet Room boss. Doesn't that imply that she is the strongest? Also, she's a Wild Card now as well.

>Hi No Kagutsuchi
I completely forgot this guy existed. What was his deal again?

Nope. Yu is stronger. Makoto never truly beat her

which proves the power of friendship is busted

Isn't Arena/Ultimax liz canonically holding herself back by limiting herself to just thantanos

just nu-persona fans that leaked in from smash trying to argue what we had established years ago

Thats reaching so far I tried to make a p4 battle theme music and failed. How pathetic user.

He's not even an SMT character

But he did, when you beat her in P3 she literally admits that you're stronger than she is

>weak as hell
>one of the only protags able to summon multiple persona at once on his own for fusion spells
Retard.

That's cool and all, but all he's doing is acting as a door between Erebus and Nyx. And Nyx isn't the aggressor that he has to defense the world against, he just has to withstand Erebus, which none of this impressive shit even applies to.

It's just a goo monster that even the rest of his party without him can kill, but regenerates. And he had to kill himself to stall THAT.

*pierces your shitter*

where is this art? how can i see more

>How and where?
Battle dialogue:
>(30ish HP Mark)
>Margaret: *Gasp Gasp* How marvelous... Even Elizabeth never backed me this far into a corner.

>she's a Wild Card now
Was this before she battled Yu? Because then Door fought a weaker version.

Nah. Yu didn't go all out on her in Arena.

It get weird when you start mixing plot feats and gameplay mechanics.
Otherwise Joker > Demi, since Demi doesn't have any Gun/Psy/Nuke resistance, and Joker can stack Divine Pillar + Firm Stance + Regenerate to tank. Although there's probably some skill Demi can access in Nocturne which can counter this.

Keep digging that hole

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Damn, user keeps standing up just to get knocked back down again. I wonder what he will come up with next.

You misunderstand user. He did seal Nyx, an already much stronger entity than all the other bosses, Erebus is the cognition of the world seeking Nyx which he indeed defends.

He did not kill himself just to stall Erebus, he did it to stop the end of the world and now stands forever as a barrier. Its true that he is now only facing erebus, but yu also have to take into mind he acts as a permanent barrier now, forever, with Eliza being dicked so good by him, she constantly Megidolaons Erebus just to try and free him from his state.

If thats not being more powerful than Yu, nothing is. Yu bonds arent so good you dick a autistic godess and she forever tries to release you from your sacrificial form.

>Yu bonds
I haven't played either Arena game, but wasn't a big plot point in the first one that the villain of the week temporary severed Yu's bonds through his trickery?

Door>joker>chad is the correct tier list in terms of power rankings
Door for obvious reasons, nyx would have destroyed the planet
Joker basically has a spirit bomb (or bullet I guess) but he will probably never be able to whip it out again
Whereas chad yu just had a persona and used it to befriend and fuck 16 year olds (biggest feat was taking out a servo attendant, kek)

And he still beats her.

If you go by the version of Nocturne that replaces Dante with Raidou, Raidou naturally learns Pierce in the game despite not having it in his game.

Which just kinda says however strong Raidou is, is enough to be considered piercing strength compared to Demifiend and gang.

Concept art from some guide book. I'll post some more.

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When's Nanashi being added to this?

Not an smt character

Joker is unironically the strongest. He saved the world and killed a god. His abilities are stronger than most SMT protagonists too.

except he doesn't

How can the Ziodyne poster ever recover from this?

Joker and Chad's power are both on a variable. Joker is only as strong as the hype around him. Chad is only as strong as his bond with his friends. Door is just strong regardless of anything.

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Door is shit, he fucking jobbed.

Not really user, cannonically both Nyx and Izanami are goddess that existed since the dawn of humanity even before that to be honest, quoting from source material (P3 club book) "n the Persona 3 Club Book, in a Q&A section it is stated that Nyx is in fact a living being outside reality the size of a celestial body known as "the Planet Eater," that drifted space in a dormant state. Eventually, this being collided with the Earth, and ended up entering Earth's orbit becoming its moon, but leaving its psyche on the surface."

He technically does. Yu was never defeated. All it was, was an indication of how strong a foe Elizabeth is.

Nanashi is the one that other SMT protags are scared of.

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You fucking retard, don't you understand. You can reach out to the truth, you can stand up against an unjust society but it doesn't matter how strong you are or how hard you try, you can't beat death.

dunno, it's based off this

absolutely based

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Last one of this batch of art, sadly. But got plenty more in general.

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Did we play the same game? Joker never killed anybody.

>immune to the power of friendship but listens to his mom
Why is Dagda such a dweeb.

I forgot to mention that this makes Demiurge (Yaldaboath) the only cognitive fake god.

>He technically does
He doesn't, happens

That nigga is on a different tier.

Why do people think SMT protags would be stronger, we've seen one fight between an SMT protag and a persona user, and the persona user won.

Why are people even trying to compare shit when it's like between a city destroying levels to world ending levels.
Door beat a world ending threat
Joker beat a city destroyer
Yu beat a town destroyer
In what way is this even a contest? And no you can't kill the fucking concept of death becuase it would fuck the planet an universe so door got fucked into doing the next best thing.

Joker would have shot it in the face with hope, case closed. Door is fucking shit and that’s why he’s called door. It’s a constant reminder that he failed. Piercy, Tatsuya, Maya, Yu, and Joker would have shit on Nyx.

Because no matter how strong he is, he cant just kill Erebus over and over forever, so he sacrificed himself to become a seal to lock it away

Yep. Not defeated. Look at the picture.

Door-kun's sacrifice is so dumb since Elizabeth showed in Arena that she can just body slam Erebus whenever she wants. She could literally swing by the door once a month and punt Erebus across reality. She can set up an interdimensional taco stand and Door-kun can take over the velvet room.

>Dagda's mom literally makes a new Dagda right in front of him when he turns on Nanashi
That may be why.

To be honest, everything about that P3 Club Book is suspect because it came out before FES and then The Answer almost directly contradicts it while 4 and 5 simply ignore it.

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I was thinking about him the other day, here's hoping no.

Consider the favoritism. The SMT characters fight YHVH but the Great Will doesnt help them all that much. Now Persona protags are all literal born Messiahs that possess a portion of the Great Will's power. If one of them were in an SMT game, they'd fair just as well or much likely, better

You retard, all of the gods were destroying the world not just those areas. Izanami was going to consume the whole world in fog, Yaldy was going to destroy the world after he changed it into mementos hell land.

She became a wild card after fighting Yu.

Just give it a rest user

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>does absolutely nothing
What's this guy problem? Why is he not out there saving a world?

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Now I'm curious, I myself never bothered to play answer I mostly watched the cutscenes, what exactly contradicts with the contents of the P3 Club Book?

That's fucking hilarious.

Erebus in general is the dumbest shit they could have done.

>P3 club book
>source material
Guaranteed that bullshit was thrown together by some intern who had nothing to do with P3.

He gets back up dummy.

What does blowing god's head open mean to you then

Nyx is called ancient and mentioned to have been a thing before humans even existed in the games as well.

He stopped Kandori from turning the whole world into his palace and he stopped Pandora

>Multiple SMT protagonists have killed God

So if multitudes of them have done it then that means none of them have actually fucking done it if he keeps coming back. Persona protags are messiahs, what they kill stays dead.

He was still fucking talking to you after that.

>Piercy
Weak as fuck really, the really powerful one would be the dreamer bitch
>Tatsuya
He is pretty powerful, but more so only super powerful if his friends memories come back and fuck everything
>Maya
not even close
>Yu
Not really sure where to put Yu since he beat a god and all
>Joker beat a fake god and used the hype of all of the people of a giant city to do so, kinda not really his power and didn't even beat a god.
Joker did not even beat a god, he beat a fake and not even with his own power really.

All edgy incels bow down to their mother in the end

That's not winning, the fight was already over by then.

Still waiting for the return of based Raidou Kuzunoha from P5S feedback

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Based

>Or is Atlus still salty that people found out that he was supposed to be P5 protag.

Wait what, rundown on this? Adachi as a protag would be a fucking dream

Can Joker take down a great old one in Nyarlathotep?

He never lost.

Could any Persona character even beat Aleph? The powerscale is just so much lower than SMT

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Is he the absolutely best boy of Persona? Or Aki?

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i think we should stop replying

Why are people acting like Joker beat a god? He beat a fake made by people's cognitive. Then he wasn't even beat by Joker and was beat again by people's cognitive. Joker is like the weakest Persona protag.

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First off, you're a fucking idiot for not understanding one of the core fundamentals of MegaTen, which is that every game is its own universe. Second off, you're a fucking idiot for not understanding one of the core fundamentals of Persona, which is that every single demon and god you encounter is merely an aspect of the human collective consciousness taking the form of a demon or god, and therefore that aspect will return eternally so long as humanity exists.

Can Joker win again police in casino?

Not every "messiah" is built the same, though. Like Nanashi despite being one dies no problem without Dagda to power him.

Or Demifiend without a magatama is a wimp.

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>Joker's greatest achievement is eating out a spoiled cake

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I don't know about that user, if you find a copy of the Club Book out there you will see Kazuma Kaneko himself talked about the deities of persona universe, of course he mostly talk about persona 1 and 2 but that should give you an idea about the accuracy of the contents in the book.

He's the only other good Velvet Room attendant next to Elizabeth
. Also underrated.

I know the joke but now I wanna post raidous

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It's fine. I won.

Reminder that Satanael is still a Fool Persona and not a World persona. This isn't Joker's final form. They're saving it for P5R.

So what you're saying is that it's all meaningless and you should kill yourself. By all means.

>The powerscale is just so much lower than SMT
Is it really? People act like demons are fundamentally stronger than personas but there's nothing that backs that up, in fact the opposite is shown

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Yu and Joker weren't fighting gods, they were fighting souped-up aspects of negativity from the sea of souls. Basically super-shadows.
Erebus is sort of the same, but Nyx is an actual god. Door-kun is the most powerful by a mile.

Damn.... how can Yufag ever recover from this?

yaldy was the super secret boss in strange journey so juhoker is as strong as doomguy at least.

Who's the greater dancer, Aleph or Abel?

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My bad

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persona fags just shit their beds

>beat the final boss of P5
>"btw here's your The Wolrd card, now fuck off"
What the hell Igor?

Ah, much better.

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That wasn't yaldy, I just said that and fucking doomguy become immortal, killed the mother of all, killed YVH and absorbed their power and lives on the fucking moon. In what way are these two things even fucking lose?

Nope. The seal is only effective on Nyx, and he still needed the power of friendship to do anything. Elizabeth can defeat Erebus by blinking, Makoto can't. In a 1 on 1 battle yu and makoto would be pretty even, but Yu would eventually beat him.

How is SMT4 running on Citra nowadays?

Unless they make the P5 palace rulers playable, they're gonna need to throw in extra characters for P5S. Ten characters (original PT + Kasumi + Akechi, pure speculation on my part) isn't enough for a Musou game, unless characters get multiple movesets via their Personas or some other mechanic.

Izanami and Yaldabaoth were both "shadows" from the sea of souls, and Yu (persona shenanigans aside) is pretty much just an ordinary dude. Door>Joker>Yu

That's literally a joke there though, Tamaki got wiped back to level 1 and wasn't strong to begin with. That's like the absolute bottom rung of devil summoners, probably worse than Hacker pre-vision quests.

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I think you're missing the point user. Nyx is the only persona antagonist that isn't just some fragment of the sea of souls, it's an actual physical being. Therefore door is the most powerful.
Also it's minato.

>Tamaki got wiped back to level 1
She's had 6 years to get stronger

>nuPersona fags can't even do shit when they're outside of one of those Shadow pocket dimensions

Remember Junpei and Yukari shitting their pants when some common thug got aggressive?

And yet, he doesn't overpower Nyx. He seals the much weaker fragment of the sea of souls Erebus that was acting as the trigger to Nyx.

All demons exist and are powered by humanity's cognitive perception of them

Nah, Erebus wasn't that bad, basically just a lovecraftian transmitter letting nyx, the real threat, know the earth was desperately ready for a pounding. Sealing the "door" was the only thing that could be done

remind me why p5 yaldy's shitty law dimension consuming earth is any less real than the schwarzwelt consuming earth

Nah its makoto. Physical or not it doesn't make a difference. Chad wins baby

It's Makoto because i never see any of you calling P4 protag Souji, you pretentious youtube fag.

>Never failed as a messiah or had any bad ends
>Beat the mother of all
>Beat YHVH (girl)
>Absorbed YHVH's power
>Is immortal
>Chills out living on the moon watching over humanity
>Kill and demons, gods, angels and such all of the time for years like it's nothing
This guy
P3 character's can summon their Persona's outside of the dark hour actually

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They can in p3, they just aren't going to use their personas out in public and there's no shadows to fight in the real world so they have no reason to. In the bad ending, Door summons his persona in the real world. On the beach trip Fuuka was about to use her persona in the real world. They explicitly say the p3 cast can use them in the real world in arena.

Too busy getting dicked by the writer's self-insert.

Not to mention, Aki, the madman, doesn't even need Evoker anymore.

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Minato>Makoto
Yu>Souji
Akira>Ren
Fuck consistent naming, just go with the one that sounds better

Are you really going to compare the the schwarzwelt to that little piece of shit thing? Is this a joke?

He does overpower nyx, he literally stopped the apocalypse that was happening right then and forced her back into the collective unconscious

so what you are saying is that p4 and p5 protags are even weakier than p3 protags? ohnononono what chance they even have agains't chad Tatsuya then?

The villains will be 100% playable, have you ever played a licensed brand musou game? I'm hoping for the protags of the other games as an extra

the PT are dumb chuuni edgelords
the IT are dumb kids
SEES are chads

It's pretty much like Door>Tatsuya>Yu>Joker>Pierce

This. Seraph shits on everyone

Maki is fucking more powerful. She is almost at Randolph Carter levels.

But you are a retard if you think Joker is close to the most powerful SMT character.

His action against it is Great Seal. Great Seal is to put himself between Nyx and Erebus.

All he did was block the signal that was calling Nyx to action, so it stopped action.

Fire Emblem Warriors didn't have any playable villains in it. Despite them already being in the game and using existing movesets.

Door>Tatsuya>Naoya>Joker>Yu
ftfy

>shithole alternate dimension infested by demons created by humanity being huge fuckups slowly begins to engulf the world
>but it's different because persona bad
smt writing is not as creative as you seem to think, they rehash the same ideas between main games and spinoffs constantly.

Tatsuya would shit on door. Nyarly is way more powerful than Nyx, Nyx was created by the human subconscious.
>B-but muh ancient alien entity
No. It’s an “alien” entity that only exists because of the human’s conscious desire for death.

Tanaka > Nyx > everyone else
Anyone who disagrees has never played a Persona game

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Will probably be DLC packs for other persona protags/party members
Never underestimate the eternal jew

SEES kinda have way more going for them like a giant origination backing them, trained Persona users and fighters. Plus they have Aigis who is just pretty much a tank that summon Persona and for some reason can regenerate her body as a machine.
Kinda, but she isn't really powerful outside of her dream world.

no user, the desire for death is erebus, it's even explained in game.

Nyx was already in the real world, the apocalypse was happening. Blocking the signal doesn't do shit at that point, blocking the signal stops it from happening again.

>Nyx was created by the human subconscious.
She wasn't, she explicitly predates humanity. Erebus is the one who was created by the collective unconscious.

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I mean, he's nyarlathotep so of course he'd shit on nyx

I'm putting money down for kamoshidaman and that weightlifting Chad shido.

Fair enough, both hyrule & pirate warriors did though, as did the berserk musou, all of which have far more characters to pick from than persona 5

Fire Emblem have a lot characters.

>Nyarly is more powerful then Nyx
Maybe? They both seem to be old god type things of the same kind of power.

When do you guys think Door is finally going to be let out of his shed? With all the stupid fucking spinoffs constantly dragging in the P3 cast Atlus are obviously well aware how popular they still are, and I'm absolutely cynical enough to believe they'd sell a happy ending to a nearly 15 year old game for full price

Nope. Nyx was created by human chaotic subconsciousness which is triggered by Nyarly who is the embodiment of chaos. Nyarly is above all the other entities.

Okay so can we agree
Door=Tatsuya>Naoya>>>Joker>Yu
SEES>PT>P2 Team=P1 Team>IT

I really want a Nocturne Remake that expands on the endings or Reasons routes I swear

Outside of Akechi none of the villains are very appealing as playable characters.

>In the Persona 3 Club Book, in a Q&A section it is stated that Nyx is in fact a living being outside reality the size of a celestial body known as "the Planet Eater," that drifted space in a dormant state. Eventually, this being collided with the Earth, and ended up entering Earth's orbit becoming its moon, but leaving its psyche on the surface. This "wave-like psyche" stood a contradiction to the already existing life on earth, which was still at a very primitive state. In order to resist this contradiction, the lifeforms on Earth had a period of evolution and developed a collective subconsciousness in which the lifeforms locked away the psyche of Nyx by suppressing its psyche with their own thoughts. Nyx's physical body entered a healing process after the colliding with the Earth from within Earth's moon.
nyx is in fact a space monster living on the moon

>Akechi
>appealing

Hopefully never
He had his ending, he earned his rest. P3D was bad enough
Shido could be decent.

Adachi could work and so could fake Jesus from 3. And they could get supporting characters like the uncle in four as joke characters.

The club book is not canon.
That even proves that it’s caused by the human subconscious, which Nyarly has strength over.

the other villains are one missing face away from being generic doujin villains

Look at the picture I posted before, I'm basically spoonfeeding you, they explicitly say she existed before humanity, play the games. No where in the games do they say she was created by the collective unconscious

>kamoshida sits on a throne in his underwear spiking volley balls occasionally while his slaves carry him around and attack for him
Actually keen

Hopefully never. The main theme of Persona 3 is accepting death and moving on from it. Bringing him back to life diminishes that, I think. But if it is done, I hope it would be by Elizabeth, as foreshadowed in P4A's ending when she receives the Fool card.

Doesn't really matter what you do, but Door is the strongest. No "=" here.

Shido and Madarame aren't really doujin villain-tier

Thus dumb fucking book that no one even in Japan bought has derailed so many internet arguments

>Beats nyarlathotep
not so fast kiddo

Fuck the main theme. He suffered for long enough. One of themes of P3 is also rebirth, so fuck off.

>shido "stop me from getting my rape on and get b& from my country" is not doujin villain tier

>"nyarl is stronger because he appeared in older game"
No.

Short for not canon, translated in english

Adding an epilogue where you find out he isn't actually dead yet and later adding time-travel spinoffs to get around the fact that he's in limbo already ruined the main theme.

>Now Persona protags are all literal born Messiahs that possess a portion of the Great Will's power
SMT protags are the same, but they fight physical manifestations of gods and demons instead of thoughts that look like them

I'd be okay with that if the nigger was actually fucking dead. Atlus were huge pussies and instead of having him set his soul on fire to drive away nyx for good but being utterly destroyed in the process we have this ridiculous kiddie tier door garbage

He should have ACTUALLY died, of course people want him freed when his fate completely goes against the entire message of the game

Nah, each of the sins has some novel aspect that could be incorporated into gameplay, akechi would have a more generic play style if anything (even though all muso games have no depth)

He's nowhere near as rapey as the others (sae/madarame aside)

Both Q, Arenas, Drama CD, animes, all canon.

Nanashi blinks and Joker dies, alternatively Flynn or Demifiend breathe and Joker dies

Yeah, but Igor said she is nearly able traverse the Kadath by herself.

He's easily second place for most rapey villain behind Kamoshida. It's what starts his entire conflict with Joker.

What the fuck do you think a Messiah is? They're all avatars of the Great Will sent to save the world from demon bullshit.

Two of the characters in DW8 were
>A dude fighting with a literal paint brush
>A fatass tossing bombs around
That's two villains already done with zero effort for Omega Force.

I'm pretty sure that scene with Elizabeth is just a nice bit of fan service for head canons sake. I really doubt atlus will ever go back to previous protagonists or their stories in a mainline game, there's nothing left for those characters to do after door kun comes back anyway. I also personally hope it doesn't happen because it ruins the entire message of the game, it doesn't matter that door kun didn't die (in the answer retcon anyway) because that was his last year as a human being on the planet which is the same thing

>Kamoshida is kamoshida
>Madarame isn't rapey
>Kaneshiro sells underage girls into prostitution
>Okumura tries to sell his daughter into a marriage with an abusive and extremely rapey dude
>Shido rapes 1, maybe 2 chicks if you believe the theory that futaba is Shido's daughter

Yeah I completely agree with you. I don't think an Elizabeth saving MC story would ever actually get made either but it was a nice open ending to her story.

It’s not really an ending though, they have brought it up in like 3 different games at this point

>arranged marriage she could bail out of if she chose to
>as bad or worse than shido
I'll give you Kaneshiro, Shido is still up there though.

Nanashi literally kills God AND replaces him.

DemiFiend and Flynn are pretty OP too.

She wouldn't be able to bail out of it while Okumura was alive and distorted

I see a lot of good points here but I may as well end it here. As powerful as Yu and Door are, only Joker has fucked his teacher. Yu was such a beta bitch he ran from that one teacher who was clearly dtf. Also, since Joker is the only one to ever save Igor (and Lavenza makes a huge deal about this) I bet he could get everyone in the Velvet Room to suck his dick. That's real power.

Also Joker actually has a bit of a personality. No mere puppet like Yu and Door. So just stay there keep holding back Erebus, Door, that's cool. Don't mind if Joker fucks Elizabeth and Aigis while you're out though.

Honestly at the end of the day shido was a very mediocre character, I genuinely think they were running out of time fast when they got up to him and his place and that's why he felt underwhelming at the end of the game. A lot of what makes him fucked is the subtext, akechi is his bastard and not only does he not care about him but joker sees him trying to force himself on another woman years later, he's entitled and does not care for others or for learning from his mistakes. He might not be a blatant pedophile or wishing to make money from selling underage girls but he's a cunt and a dirty creep

Lol no, what the fuck
Stop jerking to persona 5
Even in the persona universe you have people stronger than this fucking hack who needed everyone to "believe in him" to make him stronger

>Akechi
oh yeah
okay then 2 maybe 3 chicks
Either way his rapiness is pretty heavily played down compared to the other non-redeemed palace rulers

Based and chadpilled opinion, also /thread

Shido's demeanor gives me the impression that forcing himself on women is a regular thing for him, but not as strongly as Kamoshida, but I will admit that that is complete headcanon on my part.

Door almost fucked his teacher. He probably could've if it weren't for dying of nyx-cancer.
He's also canonically the biggest chad, considering you have no option to NOT date your female S-links when they're at 10 (even the fucking loli is all over your dick)

>kills the all-powerful god server that moderates the universe
>steals the powers of creation and makes his own universe
>everyone wants to fuck him including his weird gay albino friends
>controls the japanese illuminati
>all while having severe autism
Is he the most powerful SMT character?

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I picked up on that too, the woman he harasses at the start doesn't even have a name or unique character model, I think the implication is that he's just like that

>door gets to fuck half the cast in the game because he dies so it's tasteful and also chad
I mean yeah but jokers got a personal hotline he calls up to get tail from his fit teacher, third best waifu, any time

>Joker's got a personal hotline he calls up to get tail from his fit teacher that nobody else wants to order because she is so old and past the wall
W-w-what a chad...

So
>Half the female cast of P1 wanted naoya's dick
>Most of the female cast of P2 wanted tatsuya's dick
>Basically every girl in P3 wanted door's dick
>Yu is turbochad
>Joker is turbochad
I can't really say any of them are more chad than the others desu

Yeah it's smart, she's his teacher, wears a maid outfit and calls him master, have you never watched pawn stars you absolute plebeian

Who needs a strong Persona when you have the strongest cock?
>youtube.com/watch?v=yV99oYiopi4

Why do you retards always use gameplay features to discuss who's stronger? That's not how it works.

After realizing everything gets fucked up starting in Japan he decided to nope out of that shit and leave everyone behind.

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Is it wrong to find her the hottest Persona girl?

t. Elizabeth

>Outside of Akechi
you mean worse adachi?

I'm playing it right now, it runs 100% with no bugs or glitches and looks fine. I am only 10 hours in though.

It would be wrong not to.