HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>dota 2 mod the game
>counter strike mod the game
>half life mod the game

What is this? And what is Auto Chess? I'm too old to keep up with everything here.

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>By collecting/changing Hero cards, and arranging different formations, 8 chess gamers will be contending for the first prize in the following tens of minutes.
>Make a real fair-play game! The World e-Sports Games are created by Dragonest Co.Ltd., Drodo, and lmbaTV. Million Prize Pool awaiting!
holy chink batman I think I'll pass

a chink rng-ridden custom map for dota 2 that became a huge hit.
Valve wanted to buy the mod and make it a stand alone game like they usually do with mods (tf, dota, cs, etc) but the chinks BTFO Gabe.
Valve then decided to make their own version of it called Underlords.
The chinks sold out to Epic.
League Of Legends is also doing their version of it.

Its a new genre, basically. Mostly suited for mobile phones, no idea why it took off on PC.
You select and equip your army, and then it automatically fights other armies, and this goes on for several rounds, as you make corrections between rounds.

It looks worse but isn't on the virtue of being having less RNG. If they remove the black outlines and maybe shrink the UI and zoom out a bit it will look identical.

Why would you make this garbage post? Take your meds.

>Mostly suited for mobile phones, no idea why it took off on PC.
>t. I have never played a single autochess match
that mod is long af, who the fuck plays a 40 minute match on a phone?

NO NO NO this cant be happening

show it
it's not just mod, it's mod and mobile game

I meant the "you just click menus, the combat handles itself" part. The genre, not this implementation in particular.

I just saw some middle aged man play Drodo's Auto Chess while we were riding in the metro.
I guess there ARE some people who are willing to play more than 40 mins of this hot garbage.

it's also a stand alone pc game now on epic game store

>The chinks sold out to Epic.
Doesn't Tencent own epic games though?

drodo aren't tencent

have sex

Will there be cute girls in Valve version?

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>Implying Tencent didn't send agents to their studio and threaten to murder their families if they didn't sell out
Tencent is literally evil.

user... drodo are taiwanese chinks....

Games are a bit faster because these new ones tend to speed up the mana generation and attack rate thus combat being faster.

I can't see anything being able to compete with Riot, Valve and Drodo in this genre, everyone is now too late to jump in just like MOBAs. It always blows my mind to remember a Lord of the Rings MOBA existed and then bombed super hard. Valve seems like the first to be on both mobile and PC, with crossplay. Riot is going to launch only on PC, and its built into the League client/game thus likely going to be a mess to get crossplay and a mobile version.

Drodo is partnering up with Epic so that game will probably launch very soon.

Okay, sounds like the latest trend every company tries to hop on and get the cake. But sounds comfy to be honest. Something you play with coffee or beer.

40 minutes is fucking too long for something like that, holy shit. I hope valve trims it down to 20, mental.

basically yes.

Taiwan is rightful Chinese clay

>Using T*iwan and not Chinese Taipei

>Chinese can only copy
>Valve and Riot Games
>*hold my glass*
loooooooooool

>warcraft 3 map the game
>warcraft 3 map the game mod the game
The absolute state.

>they only released this game so the Chinks wouldn't beat them to the punch.
>TF2 Team is probably working on this.

Fuck Dota.

Honestly for a couple of months worth of work it's in a pretty okay state so far. Valve probably had the release the beta this early because if they didn't they'd lose out on players to League's autochess later on this month.

I would play dota 2 on mobile rather than this piece of shit

I hope Auto Chess kills DOTA like DOTA killed Warcraft 3 custom games.

>warcraft 3 map the game mod the game-like

>DOTA killed Warcraft 3 custom games
nice try zoomie.

>I can't see anything being able to compete with Riot, Valve and Drodo in this genre, everyone is now too late to jump in just like MOBAs.

inb4 Electronic Arts makes Bioware release a Mass Effect Autochess.

Auto Chess is on Epic Chink Store tho that'll be unlikely

>stupid custom game mode in warcraft 3
>make it into doto2 and make dosh
>Stupid custom game mode in Doto 2
>make it into underlords
???
seems pretty much like what they always do to me.

Part of it to me is fixing issues with the game so they can beat Riot to fixing their issues with the game. This seems designed for mobile foremost, with how fast battles are now and just how it looks in both the models and UI. Riot's carousel seems very interesting maybe a better comeback mechanic than Valve's loot rounds where everyone is guaranteed something.

The only IP that could do it is Pokemon. It just makes sense if you structure it as a trainer battle. Cosmetic microtransactions for clothes for the trainer, Pokemon evolve as you upgrade them.

Pokemon auto chess when?
>only have pokemon with 2 evolutions
>3 pichus = pikachu, 3 pikachu = raichu etc
>legendarys are SSR units with incredibly low chance of appearing but OP as fuck

Already a thing in the form of the WC3 custom map Pokemon Defense

>Heroes! Don't miss out on this fresh fledged out Warcraft Auto Chess experience! We will release a successive entry with our new iteration, with people who sub to World of Warcraft for twelve months being the first to enter. Stay tuned for our massive reveal stream in a week!
user...

meh, I'll just wait for the Japs' take on this where they make it single-player with porn like they did with Hearthstone

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>that char design
We want the zoomer audience!

Its not deep enough to kill mobas. Also it gets boring pretty quick. Its like hoping a tower defense game is going to suddenly kill mobas, just not going to happen because it basically is a TD but slightly different rules and a shitty hidden resource cap. Idk if its any different now, i played it back when it was new for a few games and havent touched it since.

No they just have some shares.

This looks horrible.

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Did you ever see dota characters? the answer is no.

This looks way better than Valve's. Another win for EGS.

Possible future development, would not even be surprised.

It's a mobile game you dunce.

The character design is fucking attrocious, it looks like Clash of Clans or some other mobile game garbage

>dota characters

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Imagine the absolute seethe every day at blizzard about having lost the rights to DotA

Still somehow better than dota characters though.

Looks exactly like you would except a chinese clone game to look, lmao.

>You can see opponents dps on your board during fight updating in real time
>You can organize your bench mid fight
>less demanding hardware wise than the mod
>due to this games load almost immediately where some people take 2mins + to load the original map
>no insane item RNG so everybody gets around the same power level of items
>items can be moved between units
>units automatically combine the instant the 3rd unit is bought instead of having to autistically scramble to place them on the board last second
Drodo and League kids BTFO by the Valve Dota chad as usual.

I can't agree, user.

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I disagree

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Is prety shit, but if they release it on mobile, it may be that gmae that i play waiting the bus to be honest,

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Never thought I'd see the day I see Yea Forums defending second generation soul-less rip offs of characters from 15 years ago.

You wait for your bus for 40 minutes?

>chink knockoff of valve knockoff of blizzard original good design

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Don't worry bros the league's version will bring the cute girls.

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Test

>warcraft rips off warhammer illustrations
>dota2 rips off warcraft models
>chinese chess rips off dota2 models

And a piece of soul lost in every iteration.
At least Blizzard added value, by making drawings into 3D models in Warcraft 3, with voices and animations.
At least Valve added value, by increasing the fidelity greatly from the Warcraft 3 RTS purposed models to DOTA2's third person action game models.
But this iteration is just loss of value. I don't see any benefit to this.

>mute hatsune miku bootleg
I'll never not be mad.

Waifufags are a tumor. They tolerate abhorrent games, because of CUTE! CUTE! models. Literally graphics whores, without the benefit of actual graphic whores pushing the technology forward.

>they got spooked by fucking League

They deserve to fail.

>And a piece of soul lost in every iteration.
no way, warcraft was just as good as warhammer

dota 2 enchantress is cuter than that abomination though

>>chink knockoff of valve knockoff of blizzard knockoff of games workshop knockoff of tolkien

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cringe

yeah, cause they whipped this game up in a few days after Riot announced theirs right

I've bought a game on EGS during the sales. AMA

What does chink dick taste like?

Making a drawing into an animated 3D model with a voice is adding value, but a lot was lost. You can't tell me there was no loss in such a transition.

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How will you cope when EGS inevitably gets hacked and your payment info leaked?

Considering how barebones it is then yes lmao.

I haven't sucked any chink dick yet. On the other hand Outer Wilds (the game I bought) was absolutely kino.

Fact.
Waifufags are graphixfags, without the tech enthusiasm. Fuck off, retards.

Which one was it? I attempted to buy Anno 1800, but my transaction was declined, and I didn't try again. I did get a free The Witness though.

>Realizes this may be one of the games Valve said they would be releasing
>Realizes most of those games may be this time of shit or overpriced VR garbage

I just want my damn heavy update Valve!

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What game?

>Realizes this may be one of the games Valve said they would be releasing
Nah, Valve said they will be releasing 3 major AAA VR games before their negotiations with the Autochess modders. This is them scrambling not to lose even more ground to Epic and Riot. This wasn't planned. It will however delay the promised games.

I'm looking at some Underlords gameplay on gorgc's stream and good lord this UI looks like absolute cancer. It looks like it was designed ground-up for mobile, even on PC

Is enter the gungeon any good? Just got if for free on the epic store.

I paid via paypal and used a mastercard prepaid card which I only use for online payments.
outer wilds

>aaa vr games

As if those exists lmao.

I have about 10-12 hours in it. Its not a game you "main" for any period of time, but you can drop in and out I guess. I rate it 6/10, where 5 is average.

This, as an actual gamer (i only play games with storylines, dialogue, voice acting and an intecract button) i am apalled at the recent direction Valve has taken. We OG gamers need to unite and purge the nu-gamers from our sacred board.

Three will exist, as per Valve announcing that and confirming it multiple times in interviews.

your picture is of a warhammer orc concept art while the orc grunt is a RTS model. Furthermore when warcraft came out warhammer was in like 4th edition, and here's a model from back then (having similar limitations as a 2003 RTS unit). The illustrations from that time are much less refined as well, you can look it up if you want to as I can only post one image at a time.

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DotA2 RTS, and it's gone full circle.

They won't, it will be just some source 2 cheap ass looking garbage.

I don't like Epic and all but what Valve did was fucking bullshit.
>some guy makes an incredibly popular custom game in dota 2
>basically revives the game entirely
>offer him fucking pennies
>Epic offers him a proper deal
>Valve just takes the idea and makes their own
How about you offer him a proper cut instead considering the only reason dota 2 ever got anywhere was thanks to having the creator on board? Also
>another fucking dota 2 game
Fuck off already, first you had dota 2 cards now it's dota 2 autochess, the setting and heroes don't have anywhere near the pull you think they have, Valve.
No proper game by Valve is ever going to happen again. You think all the skilled devs have just been sitting at Valve doing nothing? No, the ones with skill and passion left to work somewhere that makes actual games, what's left are the lazy ones that don't really give a fuck, that's how they get disasters like Artifact.

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I don't get what Valve's big focus on VR is. It's a shit gimmick that's not as cool as most make it out to be. Plus most people can't really afford a full VR loadout and most don't really give a shit about VR. So I don't get why they are so desperate to target such a small audience.

We have Metzen's own art from 1995. Even from their internal art, to the in game units, there is a loss. This is super basic stuff, I don't get why you are arguing. It seems very fundamental to me.

Thanks for the tip, Oracle. Could you also tell me what I'll have for lunch, I haven't decided yet.

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There is a new Half-Life coming this year, though.

nah it will be fine because it's not repeating the incomprehensible error of being pay-to-play.

DOTA2 as a singleplayer focused actual RTS, with mobile and Switch versions.

because it literally is from a chink mobile shovelware dev. which means it will ultimately be a chink mobile shovelware game. devs are idiots for not jumping to Valve (or possibly/probably really unfortunately trapped by their tyrannical laws).

>I don't see any benefit to this.
China grows.

League and version from the originals. Most likely they started dev on this immediately after their offer to hire in the original devs was rejected, which was reportedly a few months ago (not long after the mod had exploded).

This is definitely the fucking end of Artifact.

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>being that much of a deluded retard

Well have fun being disappointed i guess.

I don't get why people without a VR setup feel inclined to post about VR all the time.
It is on par with complaining about a video game you never played, and saying how shit it plays. Please, police your posts a bit.

>some guy
Professional game dev studio.
>offer him pennies
source

>offer him fucking pennies
>Epic offers him a proper deal
This didn't happen. Drodo is a team, they have been in talks with Valve since early January when the game first blew up. Didn't work out, Drodo went to Dragonest for the mobile version and apparently gave Valve the go ahead to do their own. So Valve did their own, Riot swoops in to do their own just like when League started up, and Epic most likely went to Drodo to get the PC version going.

No matter how much Valve would likely have offered, Drodo knew they would get far more from a Chinese publisher and releasing a game ASAP in China.

The valve's version art style is crap too so.

>devs are idiots for not jumping to Valve (or possibly/probably really unfortunately trapped by their tyrannical laws).
Or they know something we don't, and China will kick out Valve, after all the investments Valve made into that market, and all the compromises.
It has happened before with Facebook and Google. Trillions lost because the Communist Party of China can just vote to revoke all the good favor you bought by sicking their collective dick.

Character design looks it came from clash of clans.

Will dota autochess be the same as dota where all the heroes are accessible or you have to throw your shekels for lootbox shit?

So they knew valve deal was indeed shit? wew.

artifact would've been okay if you didnt have to BUY it
who the fuck wants to PAY to get a gambling addiction to cards, every single card game has started because your friends wanted you to try it out
I swear there are some brainlets at valve

>DOTA2 as a singleplayer focused actual RTS
I would unironically play that.
I don't play Dota 2 anymore, but I always kinda liked the world.

same as dota. the chink (original) mobile version is already available and it works exactly like the dota version.

Lootboxes will be regulated very soon. Blizzard are making Overwatch 2 right now specifically because they need a new "lootbox" model, the old one will be made illegal. So I doubt Valve will be introducing it. They need to reform their own games as well.

you dont know how much valve offered him
and autochess standalone isnt an epic game you retard

Ough, never thought about this, but it might actually happen. As soon as they have their big launcher, clones of popular western games, they might as well cut the cable and shut in.

Valve could have offered 10 million and they would have turned it down, China would always pay more and the audience is just flat out bigger. If they partnered with Valve, they would still require going through a Chinese publisher to even put it out in China. It just makes far more sense to skip the middle men, Valve, and release it in their home country.

>basically revives the game entirely
This never happened thought.

metzens art is cooler than whatever this is desu

people seem to forget how janky warhammer could look, the game has existed for like 36 years

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I actually have a VR setup. And I rarely get to use it because most of the stuff that is out for VR is shit. I've only truly enjoyed Pavlov, VR Chat, and Budget Cuts and even those were "Jump in and Jump out" experiences because they are so boring in the long run. A VR setup was the worst investment I ever made.

yep a copy of a mod of of a mod of a copy of a mod of game

>and autochess standalone isnt an epic game you retard
epicgames.com/store/en-US/product/auto-chess/home
seethe.

The Valve argument was:
>game is free!
>but you pay for the 3 decks you get, since you need decks to play

Or something like that. Overall I agree with you, after Hearthstone grew that market, and after even printed cards giant Magic the Gathering released a free game, Valve made a big mistake asking for an entry fee.

How do you know how much or what Valve offered them?
>my uncle's dad works for valve

Rolling for something completely unrelated

All the pieces are availiable, the game literally wouldn't work if some players had access to pieces that others didn't.

Lootboxes will be gone but in store direct purchase microtransactions stay. Instead of a box with random shit in it, you get 2-3 dollar cosmetic purchases for characters

It did though, in its peak DAC was at like 300-400k players. Its died down now but its still a very healthy playerbase.

Small scale PvP TD, but with a cap on your units and RNG

>I swear there are some brainlets at valve

the problem isn't really that they're brainlets, they're just very gullible and naive when it comes to trusting outside talent. it worked out for them with l4d, counter-strike and dota 2 because those projects were helmed by sharp outsiders with a lot of talent. artifact was apparently directed almost entirely by richard garfield, and richard garfield is an out of touch, washed up boomer who doesn't know how to markets work anymore, and valve foolishly trusted him to design a game for them

Old warhammer is based as fuck

that's the epic store
is it a walmart game if I buy a copy at walmart?

It will be on EGS, its not an Epic Games game. Its made by Drodo, published by Dragonest. The game has been out on mobile for awhile, and copycats are abundant already. You just never hear about those.

If you own a setup, you must see the potential.
If Valve releases slick high budget well produced games, they can realize that potential.
All we are getting right now is the equivalent of mid budget yurojank indies, and it shows.

if said game is only available at walmart it may as well be one....

And that’s a good thing. Store bought items > gambling

This actually looks like a game!

Dota 2 ARPG?

What does this even mean, you failed shill?

>EGS inevitably gets hacked
>Hackers hacking their own platform
How is to be so disconnected from reality? Im sure you still think terrorists did 9\11.

See Valve, this how you support developers instead of stealing their games

>valve cucks crying about how unfair is that another company 'took' the original mod name

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Man
ill never not be mad how dota2 success made valve hostage of its terrible artstyle

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>epicgames.com/store/en-US/product/auto-chess/home
didn't pay too much attention to this but i thought autochess was the name of the dota one, i even remember seeing that logo used in what i thought was 'dota autochess' videos. whats going on here?

whom are you quoting?

the original developers are doing a stand alone game and it'll be only available on epic store and not on steam.
So Valve is left with blunderlords

Its available on mobile already, and for awhile.

>and it'll be only available on epic store
You keep saying that, over and over, but it is already available on other stores. The game is out on mobile, and the Epic Games Store will get a port from the mobile version.

If you will shill, at least don't lie.

and metro exodus is on console.
YET you steam cucks can't have it

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The problem is, Valve is stuck thinking that VR is a priority when most of their consumer base is saying "No VR please". We don't want VR stuff from Valve, We want quality story driven games and multiplayer experiences like CS and TF2. But, Valve in their "infinite wisdom" have chosen to completely ignore what people want and target an audience that is too small to be profitable and won't really have that much of an impact.

Valve is targeting the wrong crowd.

>would you rather pay hundreds just to buy the hardware to play a game that most won't be able to afford to play or play a strong story driven game or a nice multiplayer experience?

>I-I w-would rather emulate andoird than playing on EGS

Doesn't their deal run out really soon?

Yeah right. The player base number was steady decreasing since the last two years despite the pathetic attempt to 'revive' the game with 7.00. "It's natural", "It's an old game", "game cycles ends like that", "other genres are more relevant these days". Only after this autochess shit (and streamers doing their shit) the player numbers began to increase again.

What's up guys. It's sure feeling EPIC here

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wait so autochess wasn't made by valve? i only remember watching a youtuber play it while i was half asleep but thought he was accessing it through the dota client and that it was using dota characters so thought it was like an official dota thing.

The problem is, you think you matter more and your views are more important.
By your logic nobody should develop any niche goods or services. All the food should be hamburgers, all the drink should be soda, and all video games should be team based shooters. Think for 2 minutes about your argument please.

no, it was just a community made map/mod

>emulate
Why not just play it on your phone.
Custom game

Powerful read abilities.

You know who is to blame, the fucking insectoid selling to epic. Instead of 1 autochess game now we have 3+1 from Riot...

I'll probably play Riots version because it Wil have the cutest girls

Its custom game made in dotard

I still refuse to believe this is real because Tim Sweeney beat his chest over 250k copies of WWZ sold while he never did it for this game.

>Instead of a box with random shit in it, you get 2-3 dollar cosmetic purchases for characters
That's exactly what it should be. I would be fucking glad if lootboxes disappeared from existence entirely and was replaced with that.

>Epic offers a deal to them to go exclusive and buy unsold copies
>Epic bought 500k copies
>Consumers bought 7,374
Wow, this is the power of people blowing each other.

China is to blame in general for everyone being forced to make games out of trash like Auto Chess now.

The game is pretty good mechanically. I like the new stuff they've added, and the new item system is a major improvement. The UI and the sounds and the effects are all dogshit, however. Those still need A LOT of work. If they can put in a bunch more heroes on top of reworking the visuals, I can see myself playing this for a very long time. Also, Gondar is cute. CUTE!

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Except you view these games from a isometric behind view. You don't even really see shit.

Thats not the deal. The deal is:
>if by the end of the period (say 1 year) you haven't sold 500 000 copies, we will buy copies until it reaches 500 000
So since they sold 507 374, Epic won't buy any.
Epic only offers a safety net, they only compensate you if you fail, obviously they don't "compensate" you if you succeed.

Looks very thrown together.

i'm going to need a source for this

Dropping the black outline for the PC version would be a good step. Being able to swap to other boards more easily would be nice too, we have a whole keyboard to work with. The DPS meter is also a really nice touch

that's not how it works you retard.
Even by assuming they had the guaranteed 500k copies sold contract, to sell 507k copies they would still have needed 507k purchases, not 7k.
Epic offered a sort of insurance: "if you sell less than X, we'll pay you as if you sold Y copies anyway"

Are the sounds different from Dota 2? Because that game has pretty much top tier sound design.

Looks like a mobile game, which it is.

>source: dude trust me

>*taps on microphone*
>"Hello? Testing, one, two, testing."
>"decently loud chatter in the room, few really paying attention"
>*ahem*
>"I have come to make an announcement"
>the audience quickly lays his eyes on him, paying the utmost attention
>"FUCK Valve..."
>audience stands up, on the verge of clapping and cheering
>"and FUCK gaming."
>audience breaks into tears, cheers and claps for hours on end
>"That is all, have a good night."

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That's even worse than I thought. They could have sold that amount and more on steam. But now that they said fuck you to greasy neckbeards, it's out of question to see a big figure from both stores. The damage to their name was more costly than that deal. (And yes I know a lot gamurs have no spine and probably caved in and bought it.)

The combat sounds are similar, but while in Auto Chess you have unique voice lines for every hero that you buy and upgrade; on top of voice lines from heroes when they win; in here you only have a lame-ass generic *ding* for buying and upgrading shit, and absolutely no voice lines from pieces that are on the board ever. I *have* heard some pieces asking you to pick them, so that's kind of nice. It needs A LOT more of that kind of stuff.

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How do you guys think will they sellout on these games?
Could microtransactions become a thing

The aesthetics are shit. Why did they take it from comfy outdoors with trees and water to a fucking dungeon hearthstone graphics knock off? Also not having a courier is gay, the game feels way more passive and like you have less control.

>mfw they sold 7k after you discount the 500,000 ebbic "bought"

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>They could have sold that amount and more on steam.
Probably, but they didn't know that. Its their best selling game ever. These numbers took them by surprise.

>yo let's publicly say we sold 500k copies and then declare 100k copies to IRS, I'm sure they won't fuck our buttholes lmao

Hopefully only the usual skin shit

Because it was.
>Riot announces their version
>Original Auto Chess developer announces version for the epic store in E3
>Someone leaks the early alpha version of Underlords and it looks really shitty
Valve was pretty much forced to rush out the beta version or left behind with only the shitty leaked alpha footage for their game.
Valve would have 100% advertised that you get a Underlords beta access with the battle pass from the start if this would have been a planned move by their part.

Thats now how it works, you hemorrhoid

?
everyone knew that valve is working on dota auto chess

Yes, since heroes don't receive visual differences when they level up like they do in Auto Chess, Valve can start selling hats for heroes like they do for DotA 2. I can even see them having a shared inventory system across both games.

I assume to make it work on mobile. It would be nice if we got a different version for PC, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.

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why do keep repeating this lie? Is this how you cope?

Imagine unironically believing 500k bought that shit game on EGS of all places in that span of time.
Fucking retards.

Those fags at cum stain studios would probably like that.

Never said my views were more important.
You misinterpret what I am trying to say about how the industry as a whole is not ready for VR and to make the switch to accepting AAA VR titles as normal.
Most can't afford a VR headset, And if they can. Then what is there to play? VR Chat? Pavlov? Etc?
Valve hasn't made a real game in years.
And in that time they have been developing a VR headset that they are selling in limited quantity and with technology that is comparable to the Oculus.

Valve just needs to sit back and wait for the prices of VR technology to lower down to a viable cost that the general consumer can afford.
But prioritizing it like they are right now is not the wisest decision they have made.

>Think of the general consumer and not your own wallet.
>Not everyone has the same income to dish out hundreds over something that really isn't needed in the industry right now.

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>no flavor sounds/voicelines
>no courier to control or play with
its shit
where is my player feedback

1 guaranteed sale has been deposited into your EGS account. Thank you for your service.

If Valve released a flight simulator, the reaction would be "oh well not my cup of tea, but i am sure these flight sim people will enjoy it".
If Valve release a VR game, the reaction would be "WHAT THE FUCK I DONT WAHT THIS WTFFFFFF VOLVOOOOOOOO".

Even though both are the exact same thing - Valve picking a niche to service, instead of the mass appeal market. And in both cases it may be bad business, but its not bad gamedev.

>t-t-thats not how it works
sure, they made bookoobux. Thats why poointheloo got so assblasted when people made fun of his "we only sold 7 copies" joke. thats why cuck sweeny never beat his chicken chest about their big big satisfactory sales after they tried to act like 250k for WWZ was huge. Whats it like being this painfully naive? I bet you believe him when he says tencent dosent call any shots despite them being the only other major shareholder.

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Right here, buddy.

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Cumstain belongs to thq.

shill harder

That is if Valve ever does make a good vidya ever again.

Isn't EGS auto chess game just a chink bootleg?

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The fucking thick-ass black outline on the models needs to fucking go right this god damned second.
The UI, while far better than the mod version, needs works.

if you think about it, this is actually the first time valve has sunk to the level of copying exactly what another game dev did. whenever they've tried to chase a trend in the past, they've just used the original game as vague inspiration, then created their own game from the ground-up. but dota underlords is almost 1 to 1 with a game developed by a different game dev, here, they took someone else's game, slapped their own name on it and pushed it out on the market in a couple of months like some kind of chinese bootleg game dev sweatshop. and it was all done in the name of ensuring some kind of presence on the market before their competitors get their own games out.

it's actually a bit of an embarrassment how far valve has fallen.

I don't use EGS. You were wrong and I corrected you.

You asked him a question and he responded, how is that a shill? What is he shilling, and unreleased free game? What.

>the unlicensed knockoffs of dota character designs
>which were unlicensed knockoffs of Warcraft character designs
>which were unlicensed knockoffs of Warhammer character designs
amazing

I kind of like the cell shading. It looks good on some heroes, like Warlock. If they can keep that, but get rid of the outline, that'd be great.

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thanks
im gonna write an essay to tell them how wrong they are

I don't really know how I feel about it, it's very obvious that the models weren't made with cell-shading in mind.

i don't understand this autochess thing, seems just like "watch a cluster fuck of npcs killing each other", zoomer/chink/phone tier

Does it look better in motion? On a screenshot it looks like 20 year old game screenshot resized. Like the outlines are badly pixelated.

If you will talk about ambient sounds, use Civilization V as an example. I've had success using that. The little dings when you click a city state even, 2 seconds long, different for every time. Perfect UI sounds in that game.

it looks incredibly bad in motion. It's even worse when you can't tell what's happening on screen.

I remember reading on Yea Forums when StarCraft 2 was new and big, some people asking for an RTS where they just handle the production, base, upgrades, economy, expansion, etc, and the AI handles the fighting. This is that idea made into a game, except it branched from MOBA instead of RTS.

I don't hate the aesthetic, but losing the natural feeling ability to just sorta pan around to the other players is shit.

Here's a video
youtube.com/watch?v=TJKJ7B06eFE

i didn’t believe in the epic-shills meme until this post

>Items no longer drop randomly or combine, instead being gained automatically at the end of rounds
Eeeeeeh
This is probably a hell of a lot more balanced, few things felt worse than getting demolished by some faggot who got two masks of madness from the first 3 rounds of creeps.
But this way also doesn't "feel" as good.

>So they knew valve deal was indeed shit?
The deal wasn't shit, the chink deal was just better. Something can be good while also being worse than something else user, stop letting Yea Forums rot your brain into thinking that if something isn't the best it's the worst.
Making these numbers up totally, yeah a 10 million valve offer is worse than a 20 million chink offer, but you wouldn't say "Fuck off it's shit" to 10 million if you didn't have the 20 million from chinks as an option. It's a good deal still, there's just better and Valve knew they could just make their own rather than have a bidding war with china over some taiwanese codemonkeys.

It looks pretty decent in motion. I especially like the tiny animations the heroes play when they're begging to get picked. It makes them look very cute. The board always turns into a massive clusterfuck lategame, but that's just the nature of the beast. Like I mentioned earlier, effects, and especially aura effects, are very weakly portrayed, a large step down from the Auto Chess mod. Then there's some like Black King Bar, which are ridiculously over-obvious. Very inconsistent.

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why is this chink shilling this game? Is he a traitor?

Good thing it's available other places then on mobile.

>YET you steam cucks can't have it
But Tim paid for my copy, it's right here on my hard drive for free, with a shortcut in my steam library.

It only felt good because you knew when you are lucky, some poor fucks aren't lucky. Even when you lose the loot round, you still get a choice of 2 instead of 4 items/passives.

Epic is a chink destroyer they got the original Taiwanese devs (true china), china and jewben literally btfo

The mod was created with the DOTA engine and tools. He should be thankful he was offered anything as indirect exposure was also more than enough. Why do you think you can just run away with your mod and turn it into a new game for a competing company just because you think you weren't rewarded properly? It's not yours.

>Dota is a dumbed down mod of an RTS
>Dota chess is a dumbed down mod of a dumbed down mod of an RTS
What's the next stage

your life

BTFO

Did Valve just clone the game or did they buy the rights from the AutoChess guy?

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Lmao
Get a grip perma virgin

>buying the rights to a genre
Do you work for EA?

They just copied it, the creator btfo jewben with Tim's help

No, it's from the original dev who did the mods for dota 2.

It's a clone, most of the units the race bonuses and shit are even the exact same.
But they got agreement from the mod creators so it's not like it's 'stolen'

>couldn't reach an agreement with the actual Auto Chess creator, so they just steal it
amazing

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They were in talks and Drodo decided not to partner with Valve but seemingly gave the go-ahead for Valve to go their own way with it.

But they did reach an agreement with the actual Auto Chess creator. The agreement is that each party makes their own version.

>Get permission from mod creators to create their own version
>"Stole"
lol okay

Whatever you want to call it. They bought Team Fortress (quake mod), Dota (wc3 "mod"), Alien Swarm (unreal mod), etc.
I was just wondering if they did the same or this time around they just said fuck it we are copying it, no need to spend money on a name or whatever.

>still playing dota 2 after that atricious 7.00 patch and pandering to esports

why the fuck you lying

>seemingly gave the go-ahead for Valve to go their own way with it.
That's cool

>They bought Team Fortress (quake mod), Dota (wc3 "mod"), Alien Swarm (unreal mod), etc.
They didn't "buy" any of these mods. They hired the modders.
Mods aren't trademarked for the most part. No need to buy something that hasn't been declared as property.

This is my wife, Gondar. Say something nice about him!

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HOLY CRAP LOUIS IT'S DOT UNDERLODS

They knew they would hit in China first, and they did, so all the Western bux didn't matter as much. Plus they likely knew they would have no case for trademarks or ownerships of the "genre". Riot has nothing to do with any of it and are releasing theirs in beta in a few weeks

what a cutie

I want to play, but I'm not paying $9.99
fuck that

It'll be free in a week.

>a badly painted 2 cm tall fig is TOTALLY the source material for the models, and not the pictures of the books
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I'm not going to discuss semantics. They paid money to have the games ported, with the same name, under their engines. If you don't like my choice of words that's fine, I might be in the wrong there.
My question was whether Valve had shifted their paradigm when it comes to getting external games under their brand. Apparently they did, but the original author (or studio?) gave them their blessing, so that's cool.
Much like Heroes of Newerth had the blessing of IceFrog.

...

Magina looks cute.

Just play the mod, it's not a huge difference.

There's no way in hell I'm going to install Steam

Its not semantics, you are just straight up wrong. No permission, or monetary exchange, is necessary.

The item system, and the fact they move rather than hop around are pretty huge.

then don't play

i don't get it.
so drodo created a mod on dota 2 creator. fucks off and sold it to EGS and now Dota 2 and LOL are creating their own official version?

Autochess isn't even good, it's just chinks needing to satisfy their gambling itch

ok insectoid drones you should stop now

what's there to get? Drodo outsmarted Valve

So I could just make a commercial game called Team Fortress about two class based teams fighting each other and I would be infringing nobodies rights?

>Drodo says they will never license the game to tencent
>EGS exclusive
LMAO, chinks being chinks I guess

>muh island chinks are totally different from muh mainland commie chinks
fuck off

No, because Team Fortress isn't just a mod anymore.

You couldn't call it team fortress but yes.

based uneducated nigger

As long it's not called Team Fortress, you'll be fine brainlet

Who holds the right for the Team Fortress name, and how did he earn it?

>Using a trademarked name
Retard

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footage from the phone version

you could call it overwatch

fuck valve for being greedy and firing james

Valve, by registering it. The modders didn't register it.

I hope you're being sarcastic

get fucked and die bugman

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based really uneducated nigger

he brought up the WC3 model, stupid

How come Valve registered it?
Did Valve, say, pay something in exchange to the modders in order to do it?

Okay fuck it you know? If they want to work with Dota 2 so much then give me a fucking Dota 2 RTS game. Or a Dota 2 L4D-style game.

Fuck it Valve. just shit in my mouth with all that trash and see what sticks.

no, because the modders didn't fucking own anything

do you not know how trademarks work?

Autochess guys are moving to EpicGames

you brainlet. They hired the TF modders

you mean wc3 mod mod the game?
also hl2 mod remake : remake : remake mod

>Did Valve, say, pay something in exchange to the modders in order to do it?
Are you, say, retarded? I told you multiple times. The modder did not create the intellectual property. Valve created the intellectual property. BY REGISTERING.

lol im absolutely sure there was an agreement like this

By being a company and registering their new ip
Holy shit just stop posting already

>then give me a fucking Dota 2 RTS game
>valve rts game

mite b cool
but what would be even cooler is a dota 2 diablo clone

>3

I think you believe you only own the rights to creations once you register them. That is incorrect. Registering *certifies* such a thing. But it is not a requisite.
If you create something, slap an original name onto it, earn a reputation, don't register the name and then somebody copies the thing and the name you can legally dispute they infringed your rights and will most likely win, unless they have much better lawyers than you.
Valve had to ask for permission to the modders to use the name in order to own the name from that moment on, and in order to do so they paid them. Maybe the exchange wasn't "X amount of money for the name", but rather "we keep the money and have you work on the game, you get paid X amount a month" but it's the same thing.

user............................................

autochess is a clone of wc3 map and completely unrelated with mobas you moron

You don't create a property by registering it, you create it by making it. Registering is only (very useful) bureaucratic certification.

>autochess is a clone of wc3 map

>Valve had to ask for permission to the modders to use the name in order to own the name
for which game?

You are fucking delusional

?

>he doesn't know

>Valve was willing to publicly release a pretty much alpha version of their game because Riot announced their League version
>also remember E3 when even Epic announced an exclusivity deal with a chink auto chess game

Wait what? Is Autochess really that big?
Why the fuck have I only heard about it this past week? I thought you were savvy with this shit Yea Forums?

mhm

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like
maybe
go outside of your mom's basement

>EGS

poopdick

No. I literally only get most of the my relevant news from Yea Forums.
So it's always weird when Yea Forums never talks about trends this big.

dota is the shit bro

League's TFT is about to be released soon. It's going to be better than Valve's rushed garbage.

>No indie shits allowed
>Hello Neighbour

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DOTA 2's art style is the pinnacle of soul-less
It's entirely painted on a tablet start to finish, and just thrown out whatever comes through as an end result

Hello neighbor is even worse than a lot of the shit on steam, it's extremely low quality and is really just made to be a cash grab streamer bait
It's popularity and success really tells how the taste of kids is these days

Both are clearly rushed to get ahead of the copycats. Apparently there are 3 AAA auto-chess games in development that are still unannounced. EA seems primed to put out a mobile game based on something like C&C or revive Dawngate just for this

The big thing about TFT is that it's tied to their client so pretty much PC only.

Underlords is a stand alone game which was clearly developed with mobile in mind first.

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What are you talking about? Without counting cosmetics, DotA 2's artstyle is good.

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In that case, how do you explain the big volume of fanart and pornography made for DOTA2?
It seams many people, including creatively oriented ones, including communities on this website in a few boards, disagree with your speculations.

>We're not the dota company
>Half Life is dead bro
>Left 4 Dead is gone my dude
>What's a Team Fortress
>Day of Defeat, more like day of deadgame HAH!
>Why would you even care about protal games
>No the VR thing isn't done yet, it will be done soon valvetime
>Now buy this Dota Chess

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fucking kek

Is Valve cheap or Epic Games just has so much money?

Man Golden Age /d2g/ was unironically the best general in /vg/.

>t. uneducated burger

Epic has Tencent chink money you mean

>valve released artifact, battle royale for cs, and this autochess thing in a year
They are getting it together again. They abandoned the "no management, everyone does what they want" system. Thats why all these high profile creatives left, they were into it. Now they have management, and a time table, and they output shit. Hopefully soon they output good shit.

>only doto players have access to it
>somehow that means that everyone knows about it
The life of a gabdrone must surely be simple.

noway

dota 2 is pretty ugly and has zero lore, so I'd rather prefer a diablo clone that has nothing to do with dota

absolutely disgusting

Nah, can't really agree, and I rarely play dota, prefer to stick to league, also ignore leauge chess.

Okay motherfuckers who are the other AAA companies that are going jump into this shit? Rumors are there are five more.

Blizzard?
EA?
Nintendo?
Motherfucking Cygames?

Anyone else tired of valve stealing from riot? Like come on, league comes out with a cool idea like mobas/auto battlers, and next week, dota 2/dota underlords is suddenly a thing.

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So can we expect AutoChess from Blizzard 2 years later behind everyone else as usual?

You gonna deal with your anger erection by looking at sona pron or just stay mad?

Anyone making gacha, its literally the same shit except you don't pay to see new units on your roster.

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so it is a chink bootleg

And people have the audacity to defend this company?

>still using the nigger drow image
Valve already improved Drow by whitewashing her. Utterly based.

>this is actually the first time valve has sunk to the level of copying exactly what another game dev did.
You do realize Half-Life was also aping on Quake and Unreal right?

Valve licensed Quake technology from id.

It feels a bit like their a small indie team releasing mods for other games. But with a budget. I just want my Valve back.

If a clash of clans autochess is created, would it demolish other mobile autochess?

I can't fucking believe that the new trend after BR is a god damn mahjong-esque slot machine simulator.

Yep and this game have the blessing of the original modder. I wish Valve just make an RTS already.

did they also copy quake's weapons, levels, enemies and gameplay while branding it off as their own?

yes

5

they literally made a patch for WON Half-Life that adds quake-like maps and weapons (it's now a separate game on steam)

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ok i played a round of this game and yikes this feels pretty scuffed. you can't apparently view some relevant information like your gold income. it also really hurts the feel of the game that you can't pan over to other boards (you only click other people's names and it renders their board in place of yours) so you can't have an errant giggle at your friends as you catch them fucking up their PvE or something like that. make no mistake, this game was designed ground-up for mobile in all the worst ways.

i never thought i'd see valve putting out low effort mobile game rip offs, but here we are. to me, this game is much more of an embarrassment than artifact was, because at least that game was original and actually designed for PC rather than this chinese mobile garbage

Send them feedback that you want the PC version to have more soul.

youtube.com/watch?v=TNDPU28X3Zc
The makers of the original Auto Chess mod for DOTA 2 have teamed up with Epic Games to make an official Auto Chess game exclusive to the Epic Games Store.

I don't get it, Valve still has rights to release their Auto Chess clone?
Those retards from Valve remind me about Blizzard lately with their utter fails with Dota / HotS.

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the feedback button is bugged atm

...that trailer.... jesus christ

Why do you still care about Valve as a game developer.
Their last good game was 8 years ago.

Well know that at the very least a fuckton of people are sending them feedback in regards to the pc version.

Auto-chess is a new genre. You don't copyright a genre. Do you even realize what you are asking for?

But your pic is cool as fuck
You can like Metzen's art without dragging other stuff down, faggot

>Fuck off already, first you had dota 2 cards now it's dota 2 autochess, the setting and heroes don't have anywhere near the pull you think they have, Valve.
this. dota playerbase is 90% russians and they give zero fucks about dota universe or story.
make the fucking TF2 update already

>Auto-chess is a new genre. You don't copyright a genre. Do you even realize what you are asking for?
Except it's a singular mode that was developed by Chinese and the others are copy-pasting the original, violating the rights of IP.

Dota's artstyle works fine for Dota
Modern Valve being creatively bankrupt is their fault alone

>I don't get it, Valve still has rights to release their Auto Chess clone?
Auto Chess is a genre.

>How about you offer him a proper cut instead considering the only reason dota 2 ever got anywhere was thanks to having the creator on board? Also
Are you delusional or something?
esportsearnings.com/tournaments
Are you even aware of the amount of insane money every TI gets from FANS FUNDING THEM, you colossal retard? How is that even remotely relevant to some autoshit?

Cool story, valve thief.
Hope it's going to bomb as hard as artishit.

If Drodo had any rights to the concept of auto-chess then those would have established when they created the mod and the fact that they're making a stand alone game with Epic would have nothing to do with it.
Fortunately they don't, you can't copyright game mechanics.

Except there are dozens of games in the genre already, they are just all on mobile. It wasn't original work as a DOTA2 mod either.

LMAO
Show me the copyright registration or patent that gives Drodo any rights over the concept and mechanics of Auto-chess.

Even if Drodo hadn't explicitly agreed to let Valve create their own version, which they did, they still wouldn't have a case.

Just like all the ASSFAGGOTS game copied the original one and they are still here?
You can copyright certain gameplay elements (e.g. NaviCust in Battle Network) but not the whole overarching idea.

>Except it's a singular mode
So is FPS Deathmatch.
Care to tell me who owns the "IP" to that?

what are you nerds arguing about this time?

>Even if Drodo hadn't explicitly agreed to let Valve create their own version, which they did, they still wouldn't have a case.
That was obviously canceled considering that they are releasing their own version with EGS, retard.

No one wants to deal with fat fuck Gaben and Valve, people run from them like rats from a sinking ship.

Valve is imploding. This game is their last ditch effort

The agreement was literally reached after Valve and Drodo decided they couldn't work together on the standalone you absolute faggot.

In any case, they can't simply withdraw consent after Valve has already started working on their version anyway.

valve's making a cheap american knockoff a bespoke chinese product.

>That was obviously canceled
user.....
That is not how it work

Bluzzard's version when? I just want it to happen to see it fail.

they basically made an agreement with the devs that they'll both make their own versions and neither of them will fight over the legality of it

> Spend countless moneyz for Dota2 skins and couriers.
> Dota Underlords appear from Valve with exactly the same heroes and couriers.
> Search for a quick way to get your skins and couriers in from Dota.
> LOL user - they are completely different games. You can't import skins and couriers.
> You have to buy all those skins and couriers again.

Top kek Vavle.

delusional. You'll know Valve is imploding when they announce Half-Life 3.

the game is clearly unfinished bro

So I tried it out because a friend of my mine had a battle pass.

What's the appeal? You basically just roll a slot machine and hope you get three matching units?

You can't copyright game mechanics. If someone wanted to make an exact copy of Dota 2 with reskinned and renamed characters they could.

Did you just make this up on the spot for us?

>> Spend countless moneyz for Dota2 skins and couriers.
They didn't spend shit, retard. The vast majority of them are fan made.

>We don't like the agreement anymore so we're just gonna go ahead and cancel it
Bruh.
Your did you spend all your EGS shill shekels on opium? You're not even coherent at this point?

How many matches vs humans did you won? Yeah I thought so.

There was no signed agreement.

He's talking about being a player that spent money on skins you illiterate fuckstick.

You didn't even play the original Dota Auto Chess, didn't you?

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Why would you lie and horribly oversimplify an already simple game?

Ignoring the fact that you literally don't know that, you do know that verbal contracts are just as legally binding as written ones, right?

I just want my heavy update man

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There were negotiations with Valve that obviously didn't lead to anything being signed.

Am I not wrong? It's like gemTD except without the gem combination autism.

No?
They decided not to work together on creating the stand-alone game, Drodo then agreed to "let"* Valve create their own version since they wouldn't be collaborating.
There's no reason to assume that agreement wasn't in writing.

*I put "Let" in quote since you can't own the concept to a game anyway and this agreement is thus purely one of mutual respect and has nothing to do with Drodo being able to actually stop Valve from making Underlords

So if I'm understand this correctly
>Auto chess dota 2 custom game devs get the fortnite yuan
>Egs, Riot and Valve are all making their own versions
>Valve rushes early prototype/alpha/beta to be first to market
They are all going to be close to the same game
Wonder who is going to win and how they are going to approach monetizing their versions

kinda horrible desu. the only good thing is that your chess pieces combine automatically

Drodo Auto Chess mobile game has been out

I don't pay much attention to mobile gaming, but I'd imagine the player base is mainly on PC?
Since it started on a PC game and it's not gotten big enough for mobile to take over

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mobile

actually really fun
don't get all the hate

>Zero lore
Just because you're too dumb to find it, doesn't mean it isn't there.

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the winner will be the one that manages to make the game last 20 minutes instead of 40. It's too fucking long for a mobile game.

>Drodo then agreed to "let"* Valve create their own version since they wouldn't be collaborating.
[citation needed]

Basically. Valve is trying to compete with Drodo's mobile version first and foremost.

Riot's autochess will pretty much thrive because of its league playerbase but they're tied to the lol client so it's still strictly PC.
However, because Drodo and Valve's version are so similar to each other, it's going to be a competition to see who cannibalizes who first.

open wide user
blog.dota2.com/2019/05/dota-auto-chess/

blog.dota2.com/2019/05/dota-auto-chess/
>As for us, with Drodo’s blessing, a group of people here at Valve are currently working on a standalone Dota version.
inb4
>"T-They're lying!"

>you can't apparently view some relevant information like your gold income
5 (baseline) + 0-5 (interest) + 0-3 (loss or win bonus) + 1 (round win bonus or round loss bonus if you have a specific item)
If you've played Auto Chess for more than a day, you can easily figure out how much gold you're going to make if you win or lose the next round.

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what would Drodo do if Valve's autochess kills his version?

There's something really boring about the dota2 characters, I don't know what it is, there's just something off about them.

Riot's game might be a balance hell too. 4x8 board just works, while Riot says they are special snowflakes again so they went with a 3x6 board. Way less potential formations and strategies around placement of units.

Plus the grab bag first comes first serve item carousel seems like a poorly thought out idea. Ping isn't an issue in any of these games, but 0 vs 100 ping would actually make a different in Riot's version

alright, let me rephrase that: dota does not have any interesting setting that exist outside of lore snippets that might as well not even be in the game given how little presence they have. There's zero point in making a game about the underscape or kunkkas home planet because it's like building a castle out of a brick, why do you need THAT brick?

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What's so bad about this?
Auto chess is very popular

No matter how fucked it is, TFT will stay alive because League has a fuckhuge playerbase. This might be the case for Underlord PC too once they polish it up a bit because they have the Dota 2 playerbase willing to play it.

The big challenge is seeing who can take over mobile front. Maybe not China's mobile front but at least everywhere else.

will league's TFT kill this like it killed DOTA

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>Expand on concept in different game by properly exploring it in another game
>WHY ARE YOU EXPANDING ON THAT CONCEPT STOP NO YOU NEED TO MAKE SOMETHING NEW EVERY TIME

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>We want the generic mobile game #234562 aesthetic

The chinks refused to work with valve
Dumb shill

see Only if it gets mobile.

It's why the underlord pc version looks like a mobile port because valve wanted to develop for mobile first.

they refused because Valve offer was shit

It depends on who throws advertising money because Drodo is on the market, and copycats already exist. Whoever gets out infront by a big margin will be hard to topple.

If we are being honest, I think a Gacha game like FGO or Granblue could swoop in and take the crown. Rerolling for high tier units and fielding a roster is literally those games. People play for the characters

>it killed DOTA
Where is League of Legends on this list?

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They just offered them more money simple as that, is it better? Look at those EGS exclusive games lmao

You have 10 seconds to explain me why Valve is doing a 1:1 copy of the chink mod instead of improving it.
>still a rng fiesta
>the same exact neutral levels
>you still don't fight your opponents in round robin but on a retarded schema
>aimed to be a mobile game, lasts 40 minutes

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A big thing I see is that Valve is going to have crossplay and ranked play soon. That's really big.

And honestly, the biggest power move Valve can make is using TI9 which is in the middle of fucking Shanghai to really propel Underlords in the chink market.

He'll kys and curse his stupid decision to suck chink dick

Of course a video game company wants kids as their main audience you fucking manchild.

Retarded fuckhead, chinks hating true china that's the reason why murica and a lot of other countries doesn't recognize real china, based Tim dabbing on these subhumans

Are you implying valve isn't creatively bankrupt?

it's beta

Don't fix what isn't broken. Item RNG has been heavily decreased. If anything, they need to copy some of the new heroes and hero fixes from the mod to Underlords.

all their concepts are mediocre at best and there's no reason to expand on them except for shameless dota 2 IP recognition

furthermore the game would actually have worse lore by being in the same universe as the rest of dota since you have to work within the framework of this hackjob of a fantasy universe. There's like 8 different omnipotent beings in dota already for example. Artifact proved how gay a game in the "dota universe" is. Valve doesn't even have good writers anymore, everything in dota that's not a lift from WC3 is a justin roiland tier skablooblydorp spasm of the pen, just look at all the greevils and smeevils and whatever other gay shit they put out.

why couldn't Valve? Instead Valve just straight up copies his game. How is this not scummy?

It's a BEEEEEEEEEEEEEETAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>May 21, 2019
Things changed with the EGS exclusive Autochess.
Blessed, my ass. There was nothing signed and no agreement with Valve.

Pcbros are really pathetic. Thieves.

>m-m-m-muh china can't be communist
>t-t-t-t-that's not REAL china
Well I guess that's one way to seethe

So now the goalposts have shifted from "don't expand on this thing" to "this thing is bad!", which is a nice opinion you have.

>No broken English
>Units combine without you having to put them all on the field
>Items aren't RNG
>You can organise your pieces during fights
>Loading times are 20x better
It is already much better than the chinkshit

>why couldn't Valve? Instead Valve just straight up copies his game. How is this not scummy?
Because fat fuck Gaben is a greedy son of a bitch. American scumbag.

Every international Dota players donate MILLIONS and only 30% of it forms a $25,000,000 TI prize pool. 70% of it goes to fat fuck Gaben.

pc comes last bro, gotta make sure mobile can handle it...
Fucking joke of a approach from valve when dota2 is literally a fucking pc game and not mobile, but we get put on second priority and mobile is first.

>Things changed with the EGS exclusive Autochess.
Source?

Also
>Give blessing
>Valve starts working on their game
>"lmao we're just gonna go ahead and withdraw our agreement now"
Pathetic
Are you actually a chink in real life and not just a chink apologist?

>Things changed with the EGS exclusive Autochess.
proof or gtfo

I give it 2 months until an autochess with cute girls that you unlock through microtransactions.

Yep, can't wait for the Japs to perfect this genre with cute girls.

Axur Lane.

AutoBattleship

That wouldn't work, they are like mahjong pieces, they are shared between all players.

The neutral levels are the same, but the way loot works is entirely different. Everyone is GUARANTEED items, and losing to neutrals no longer loses health but reduces your options of items/passives from 4 to 2. The RNG different is fucking huge, its way less RNG.

there's no point in expanding on something that has nothing but a minor concept and a bunch of surrounding constraints. You want a nautical arpg? Just make a new one instead of forcing it to fit a throwaway concept from another game.

Cute girls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Balanced gameplay

>4 to 2
Only if you have the item that grants you an extra loot drop. Else it lowers it from 3 to 1.

>No broken English
a really minor improvement desu. the game is so easy to understand that you could play it in japanese.
>Units combine without you having to put them all on the field
that's probably the biggest improvement so far.
>Items aren't RNG
*THAT much rng
>You can organise your pieces during fights
useless?
>Loading times are 20x better
It's more of an issue of dota 2 since they switched to so*rce 2. even the first time you queue up for a normal dota match it takes ages

Fucking this
No more round 3 refresher orbs

proof that Drodo's game is an EGS exclusive?

>useless?
Not really
They changed when interest is calculated so that your interest is 'locked in' when the fighting starts.
So the best time to buy units is really during the battle phase since you'll get the same interest even if you buy units to bring you to a lower interest level.

Yeah, probably by one of the existing gacha or maybe shadowverse.

I like Autochess.
I like how the game to supplant DOTA is a mod of DOTA
The same way DOTA, as a WC3 mod, supplanted WC3.
There's a kind of poetic justice to it.

e3

>you can't copyright game mechanics
patents.google.com/patent/US7402104B2/en

Might as well at this point.

>But what about muh "Half-Life" and "Portal" games!
Fuck them. Dota 2 is unironically Valve's best game they've ever made and no amount of autistic spergery from a bunch of s o i-infused mutts can deny it. I can't wait for Underlords to succeed and for the lot of you whiners to bitch some more >:^)

1. That patent is incredibly specific, the concept of an auto-chess game is not
2. You can patent anything ,the patent office doesn't check to see if patents submitted are valid, checks only happens once someone attempts to challenge or enforce a patent.

Drodo doesn't own a patent for auto-chess and any patent they tried to establish would be invalid since it would fail the first and most basic test of patentablity, novelty.
Drodo didn't invent the concept of auto-chess, it already existed in basic forms on mobile

your shickels (30% of it) have been deposited in your steam account

>0.3 Axecoins have been deposited in your steam wallet

I just want to see TF2 get some love. That's quite literally all I ask of Valve. It completely baffles me why they keep thinking that anyone gives a shit about the "lore" or characters of Dota. They have iconic IP/characters and yet, instead of showing that off, it's always dota dota dota dota.

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this user is right. dota 2 is the perfect sequel.
it has incredible voice acting
its soundtrack is great
heroes have personalities and interact with each other
the community is as old school as it gets, valve doesnt moderate it thankfully unlike all the snowflake developers out there
has very deep and responsive gameplay
tons of customization options

as a sequel it can't get much better. Only 2008-2012 TF2 is on par with it.

I am a steam contributor myself and valve sent me a contrat to use one of my sets ingame in this

so yeah. ;)

>Greetings, We are working on a new game based on Dota 2 that will capture much of the aesthetics of the universe, including some community-made content. Please keep this plan, and your involvement, confidential until Valve makes a public announcement about our plans. For this reason, we are interested in using the set shown on this page in the project. Since this work will not be subject to the same monetization system in our new game as Dota etc etc etc

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have you seen Drow Ranger? She cute

>blizzard original

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how mad is Blizzard right now? first they declined Icetoad and now a custom game that was made in the sequel game they denied spawned 3 games and possibly a new gayming genre.

Did you get a nice pay from that? Congratulations.

to be fair, TF2 is 12 years old. I don't think you'll find any developer supporting a game for that long for free.
they need to finish that comic though

I like Dota 2 lore.

>lol autochess is tied to their client
can their shitty engine really handle 2 games?

That Web 2.0 shit is really disgusting

Valve's version has cross-play so it's better.

4k$ not bad

bruh

i agree with you mostly. but the literal only reason dota has no moderation is entirely because of valves laziness.
not saying thats a bad thing, quite the opposite, but seriously, if valve gave even a modicum of a shit about anything dota2 would be no different than lol or heroes of the storm.

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how much money is jewben investing in this Yea Forums shill campaign ? I hope you guys getting paid lol

Valve is too cheap to spend money on shills.
Epic on the other hand...

I completely understand that and realize that after 12 years, the team can be tired of that, but the characters and gameplay and story stand the test of time, whether it's for a new update or an entirely new game. Every time Valve announces something it uses TF2 characters in it but that seems to be the extent to which Valve remembers them. I'm very much a fanboy for TF2 but it fucking pains me to see them go to waste.
FUCK YOU
Nah, I really have nothing against Dota, although I always saw it as being a bit generic, it's just that every time they announce something it's either a CSGO update or a Dota update, as if these two are the only thing they remember to work on.

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Jewben is a subhuman, just wait for the OG Taiwanese version from Epic

I get paid in coupons for a 30% discount on shitty indie games

For that guy that wanted the forest aesthetic back, have a look at what some dataminers found in the files.

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Considering their entire philosphy is based around self-policing, whether it's the workshop, now letting any game in, no moderation in their multiplayer games, giving as many tools as possible for free for people to work on mods, etc. It's not laziness, this was just always their plan. The entire company is based on the modding community, the very definition of being left alone to work and have fun without corporate oversight.

where can I see more of these datamine stuff?

S O U L

Nothing to scoff at. Nice job.

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There's a fine line between 'stylised' and plain 'childish'.

Its so weird Riot isn't putting out a mobile version with crossplay ASAP. Dota is launching with both, and ranked, day 1. Blows my mind how Riot isn't just producing shit at a crazy rate.

We don't see your Underlord, yet, so board cosmetics is absolutely happening. They have all the assets from the battlepass terrains. Other players can see your unique terrain and get jealous, just like something from Town of Salem's houses.

I wonder what the Underlord customization will be like, you have no avatar on the map or sitting on the sidelines. There is no room for that.

>League has a fuckhuge playerbase
do they though?

Autochess is objectively shit desu

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It draws in casuals that are too shit at playing Dota

To be fair Valve had a head start:
Dota 2 custom game -> Stand alone PC/Mobile

Riot is essentially just at:
League custom game -> ...

Not to mention didn't Riot and Tencent say that they wanted League in mobile? So maybe it'll coincide during that time. Whenever that might be.

he talking about LoL not OWL

>Valve's best game
Absolutely right, but they have jumped the shark a few years ago, both in terms of the game itself and this derivative bullshit...

>chinese literal whos with an original game idea
>valve ripping them off with a half-finished mobile copy

the world is upside down

Tencent instead just ripped off its own IP, LoL, and made Arena of Valor.

The problem with Riot's is that its stuck on League's client which I feel like could easily make it hard to enable crossplay, cross progression of playing on PC and swapping to your phone on the go.

valve has 200 employees possibly at most and they are all working vastly different projects while riot just works on league of legends with their thousands of chinamen, like epic. they both outsource to whoever, while valve does stuff in-house

the game itself isnt even original, its extremely similar to the wc3 pokemon mod

I think they've already surpassed 300, maybe 400 at this point, but the rest you said is right.

Valve just finished shit on Index so they at least have lots of free hands. Gaben must have cracked the whip to get all the lazy motherfuckers working.

It's just how the company is structured. It's both a free for all and a high school drama where only the senior stuff decides to "endorse" certain projects. Which is why every attempts at HL3 have likely been killed because no senior staff is willing to support it. Without support, despite never having had anyone tell them to stop, the devs just move on to something else that has better support.
This is all hearsay of course but it's what Glassdoor seems to indicate.