The only good love story in any game ever

not even the best FF couple

Play more games.

Have ____

Final fantasy 16 when?

The best couple is Bartz and Faris!

I think Silent Hill 2 is better.

Nah.

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Cecil and Rosa already started the game together, there wasn’t much of a love story there.
Squall and Rinoa was a disaster
Garnet was an unlikable bitch, she’s worse than Rinoa
Tidus and Yuna were alright, although too by-the-book

FF VIII is better than VI in EVERY ASPECT imaginable. Deal with it, filthy Cloudfag. Also, Sephiroth and Vincent deserved a better game, not this overrated trash.

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>actual best couple has to keep giving Cloud ghost pep-talks for motivation

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>were you.. serious?
>no, but I liked him for a while.

wow, what a romance for the ages.

Being abducted for years and then dying puts a strain on any relationship.

>expanded universe
You are the cancer

Except... they aren't one. Not officially, anyway. You're seeing what you want to see.

they were never a couple though, I thought. she just liked him

denial. ff8 only existed bc ff7 was created.
also enemies scaled so leveling didnt matter

In the Japanese OG, they weren't even a couple lol. Kotaku guy retranslated the scene and found that. Makes sense. They don't even act like it in CC. They act like awkward kids.

Hah! Cloud is sterile and Tifa will have Barrett's baby

>I'm too much a brainlet to draw conclusions about what Cloud and Tifa's character arcs hold for them after the game has ended

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Too bad Tifa doesn't actually have a personality.

The best FF couple is Fei and Elly

She does have a personality. You just didn’t find it appealing, but that’s your loss.

She does have personality if shes running a bar. She needs to make her guest cozy ip so she could offer her services while AVALANCHE is doing terrorist stuff. Ever wonder how they could have all those equipments? Tifa's pussy is more used than Aerith

Based.
Doesn't apply. They met when they were eleven.

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>we were Adam and Eve all along
No

Who the fuck operates a gundam on a very important final boss battle bare naked?

Letting your “friend” lie to himself and mentally deteriorate to the point of having a nervous breakdown and handing over the materia to summon a meteor into the planet.

True luv

>Tifa
>not Barret

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See Cloud confessed his crush on her in the Lifestream sequence, and according to Ultimania when the screen goes black under the Highwind

>Never gonna get a remake of VI
I know SE would just fuck it up, but it still hurts.

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Here’s your remake, bro

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>you will never suplex a ghost train in glorious HD

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Please. Don't.

>play a game
>love it for x reasons
>yet whine when it doesn't get redone from the bottom up

how does this happen?

>Kotaku guy
That guy skipped over a lot, I have to imagine he missed some details.

Imagine getting triggered by a fictional character so bad you do the incel shuffle and project your sexual frustrations on them.

FF8 fags have become FF9 fags. Enjoy your sterile, contrarian lifestyle.

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The irony is their romance is very “tell dont show” for a lot of it. They never do what is depicted here for instance But it is real

>Remake VI with the same engine as Octopath Traveler.

Only right way.

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Not even the best in its own franchise

At least ff8 does not play like wading through molasses

There’s a lot of closeted incelism in all of these waifu relationships desu

Wrong.

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Btw I am referring to 9 being slow as fuck, not 7. Realized that was ambiguous

FF fanbase is the worst weeb gaming fanbase.
Play something else retard, there is a fuck ton of better love stories in JRPG.

They never do that kind of stuff in game or in AC. Which is a problem for me. I feel like I am simply told they love each other. So I’d say there are a lot of purely FF romances that are better.

That's not Fei and Elly from Xenogears

>There’s a lot of closeted incelism in all of these waifu relationships desu
You sound like an expert lol

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Sure. If that helps you. But let’s take Tifa. It’s a big titted girl with a lot of exposed skin who runs a bar and likes hard drinking but can’t be slutty because she has oneitis for a guy she had not seen for 7(?) years.

See what I mean?

And btw , not the same user as this

Mmm, look how madly in love they are, lmao. FRVII Shipfags are retarded, I can't wait for Remake to prove you all wrong, kek.

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didin't she got BLACKED.UK?

They are in love by the end but it’s very lukewarm seeming because they’re never very affectionate outside of a fade to black scene. I predict the remake will not fix this because Nomura is a hack and thinks it’s perfect as is

He might have skipped some yeah, but when it comes to Aerith's lines about Zack he translated most of them and nope, they were not a couple.

>can’t be slutty
How do you know? She went into Honey Bee Inn out of her own volition

Based

You forgot the part where Tifa was fucking some other chad instead.

This is the actual best

Well if she did or did not matters not. It’s the perception of her having oneitis that people think precludes her from being a slut.

>that resolution
MY EYES

Where is this kotaku guy’s stuff? Would be interesting.

Zack and Aerith seem to have been retconned into a couple anyway, probably square pandering to fans. Which is a bad sign.

>be a background character
>become the main focus of the story
What are other feelgood vidya moments?

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Personally I still felt more for their love than Cloud and Tifa’s. Maybe it’s because Zack and Aeris had a dramatic end while Cloud and Tifa end up together despite setbacks.

You will never prove to me Cloud loved romantically anyone in this game. I replayed it few times and I've never seen him being in love or even affecionate with any of the girls (not even single implication), he just cared for them in his own retarded way. Tifa, maybe even Aerith, yeah, they might have their own crushes, but Cloud is a big no.
You all shipfags are just projecting your fantasies into those characters and self insert yourselves into Cloud so you can dream of fucking your waifus (or fucking Cloud, I don't care). Absolutely pathetic.

Sorry man, the only screenshot I've found on google, I didn't bother to make my own in better res. I just wanted to show how pathetic the shipfags sound with their supreme delusional romances.

I’m sort of on your side here. Without AC it’s ambiguous as hell, there’s even a Nomura quote doubting if they stayed together.

He changed his mind and gave us AC but even there we have the same problem of never seeing them making each other particularly happy. You just are supposed to “know” they love each other because of the motions they go through.

Either way it’s not the best romance even in its series. It’s just extremely popular with cute fanart.

stunning 1080p you got there

>Misses the entire point of FF9
their story was straight out of Aladdin.

I think you made a mistake

... how delusional are ff8 fags?

I don't even give a fuck about shipping because I'm not a retard but it's obvious that Tifa and Cloud's stories end up converging. Learn to context.

>VI
8fags can't into roman numerals

>FF8 fags have become FF9 fags.
Can some one explain this? I love FF9 but I never considered it the best, Thats FF6.

that game was hot garbage. you didnt die you just kept being saved everytime you fell.

Tidus and Yuna would like to have a word with you

No, they weren't. They were canonically not interested in each other at all.

FF9 (and 6 to a lesser degree) were hipster choices for best ff7. Usually 7 would come up and people wouod discuss it and people would chime in about how 6 and 9 were better.

6 is a more believable opinion to hold because it is genuinely solid and people have a lot of sincere nostalgia for it.

9 however is a game that’s overlooked. Somewhat unfairly but also somewhat fairly because of how badly it played in certain respects. So it was an easy banner to fly if you wanted to seem smarter than everyone else because too few were intimately familiar with it so could not effectively contradict what you said about it

>literally fucked off from bumfuck town to impress his childhood crush
>childhood crush getting almost killed is the trigger for him beating sephiroth the first time
>when he's at his lowest point after Zack died just seeing Tifa is what allows him to start rebuilding his mind
>All of his insecurities about not revealing his identity were because he didn't feel like he was good enough for Tifa based on the promise they made
>Theme that plays during the final FMV is Tifa and Cloud's themes mixed together
>blatant love scene beneath the highwind
bro...

this. cloud and tifa are not a couple. at all. anyone who thinks they are is delusional.

Literally trite boy meets girl tier romance

Wrong. This is the only good romance in vidya. Straight """romance""" is disgusting and shallow.

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>It’s a big titted girl with a lot of exposed skin
Being attractive doesn't make a person a slut. If you think it does, well thanks for proving my point.

>likes hard drinking
How many times is she shown drinking heavily during the game?

>can’t be slutty because she has oneitis for a guy she had not seen for 7(?) years
She most definitely could be a huge slut, but the game never decisively shows it. Most accusations of such behavior is assumed, much like people going "hurr durr aeris is a flower girl u know what that means".

id agree whether tifa and cloud are actually "together" is ambiguous, whether they loved each other is not

I've remember Tifa scolding Cloud for being an emo faggot instead of showing the support in his grieving over dead friends, what a lovely girlfriend. That's how healthy relationships play to shipfaggots? Yeah, it got a bit better at the end of the movie but we never learn if they end up being together and if so - if their later relationship even works out. From what I've seen - their personalities and tempers simply don't match together.

Cloud doesn't show any romantic interest in any of the girls, wake up you projecting shipfag moron. Cloud is too much of an ignorant fuck and has to deal with his shitty psyche first. Why do you people see something that is not there between those characters?

How do tifa and cloud end up potentially having sex if they didn't love each other?

bad advice

It's clear as day that they have no feelings for each other. It's not really up for debate, they're not a thing in any capacity.

But what if you genuinely liked ff9?
I mean it wasnt perfect, but it did things really well.

No. They aren't a couple and don't like each other.

sometimes its out of lust.

I can't decide which fagbase is worse. Smash, Capcom, or FF. Zero discussions about actual game. Zero hype for actual game. Zero interest in actual game. Over 90% of so-called 7-fags never even touched the said game, but are pretending they did. Only shit you'll find in these shit threads is "muh waifu (Shitfa)" garbage.
What makes this all worse is that it's on level of Smash threads when it comes to autism. Instead of "HE'S IN" you get "Aerith Vs. Shitfa/ Why did they censored bewbs of muh shitfu reeeeeeeee" plaguing this board.

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Never played this game. Does it hold up and can I just jump right into it?

what happened to the whole date sequence then?

Everything that the game lays down about Tifa wanting a knight in shining armor and Cloud acting a fool as a kid to impress Tifa ( as revealed in the Lifestream sequence ) is the game suggesting that they had some kind of romantic feelings for one another. The scene under the Highwind and Tifa's embarrassed reaction afterwards in front of the party is as suggestive as you can get without outright showing it. You're just too much of a fucking brainlet to accept something that isn't explicitly spelled out for you despite all the signs.

Airithfag detected

step aside, bitches

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Yeah, great, you listed Cloud's motivations to join SOLDIER, so he can impress his childhood crush. I know that bro, but it all happens in the past - in the present there is nothing that shows he loves Tifa, shipfag. Yeah, he rescues her from Don Corneo but so he did rescue Aerith from HQ. So now he loves them both? NO. He just cares for the girls in his party.
And don't even start with Highwind scene. You retards actually believe that they got naked on the rocks and banged like rabbits? Tifa being the shy and literally the pure girl in slut clothing trope and Cloud being the autistic fuck he is? Bloody hell, aren't you retarded.

Somicfags. Those are the worst, next to dbz fags.

What an overrated couple, even by FF standards. Every other FF couple was so blatant obvious including onscreen kisses but Cloud and Tifa was so vague you could barely call it a romance. Especially when you consider AC was the most recent we've seen of them and it's like nothing has progressed between them at all.

Like, Cloud grew out of his childhood crush and Tifa doesn't have the balls to make a move.

I was saying the relationship in AC was awful but that shipfags have to take it as confirmation they’re ”together”

...

yeah you can jump right in. Its just 1 game, the movie is inconciquential. Just graphics arent up to todays standards but You should forgive that since it is an older game.

You can date any character in the game. Doesn't mean anything.

itt aerisfag cope

I liked it too, but it’s not the best. Hipsters said it was to stand out

His point seems to be that there’s a lot of set up with no demonstration

graphics look like shit, wait for the remake.

I liked their game but the romance felt the same as any other romance.

Zack >>> Cloud
Zack and Aerith >>> Cloud and anyone

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This, cloud actually loves every possible choice for the date, including barret.

Cloud doesnt give a shit about her now that she is flat, he only like dem thicc tiddies

Tifa being the pure maiden trope would got embarassed from almost anything bro. Heck he might have hugged her to assure her everything will be fine , and tomorrow's fight will be their last struggle. And then they go to sleep, still in the embrace. Sleep as in actual sleeping you retard, not fucking (I word it out to you specifically so you don't project things that didn't happen). I'm certain such embrace would be enough for Tifa to sperg out.

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In teenage anime games, sex actually does only happen between lovers.

As a kid I played ff7 and never got involved in any online fandom for it. My assumption every time I played it was that Tifa and Cloud would not work out and they just kind of were together out of a mutual feeling of loneliness and inertia. So when AC came out and it was all strained and disappointing, I was not surprised at all.

For the record I don’t think 10 year old me is necessarily correct. Just that it’s funny how much more easily I could process what I saw because of what I thought, which was based just on my own lying eyes

Tifa did nothing to stand up for Cloud when he was growing up. Cloud would have been better off had he lived in the Midgar slums and grown up with Aerith.

>I liked it too, but it’s not the best. Hipsters said it was to stand out
I have been around for a while too, and I always missed it when someone was hipster to say that. I like it the best.

Nah. Zack is better imo. Decided that a long time ago

IX is also my favorite; I'd say it's only major flaw is in the combat.

This is Final Fantasy we are talking about. The romance is pretty in your face, even awful couples like Noctis x Luna are obvious.
Meanwhile FFVII is the only one that still has fierce debates because of the ambiguity and the fact a lot has to do with the players choices.

She could have used a friend too. Worst childhood.

Yeah, exactly. At least we wouldn't have an autistic sperg for protagonist.

wow, ussually it takes some technique for cloud to swing that hunk of metal around that fast. Most of the time he is limited in speed due to how big that sword is.

>comparing a pseudo action PSP game to an unreleased Remake that's been in development for years upon years already.

i wish i could have a love story

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Good stuff, user.

yes, I agree that there is no overt demonstration. that doesn't falsify what the game is hinting to us what direction its taking those two characters.

whatever they did under the Highwind, it was romantic. hug, tender words, kisses, sex. regardless, these Japs always handle that sort of thing with this big display of bashfulness by one or both of the people involved. don't be dense.

Clifa is not actually a choice though. The game uses it to keep you engaged while they write themselves out of the corner Sephiroth’s mind games put them in.

I mean this as praise by the way, it was the best way to handle it.

>people forgetting Cloud can do all of that because of Zack
>people forgetting Cloud states Zack was better than him

>Childhood
Let that shit go, it was their fucking childhood. Kids are cruel but grow out of it.

the discourse around this game is truly awful, and i bet this remake is only going to raise more questions than give answers. i wonder how they will handle the relationship system and if its scratched, what is actually "canon"

it's just a fun little joke man chill

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He’s talking about shipfag projection so he is unmoved by recounting all the ways in which it would be “just perfect” for them to get together. Maybe that helps clarify what I mean.

I'd say its the speed and loading times. Combat was fine with abilities you could equip. I mean they purposly made the trance system the way they did because of people would rely on it too much.

Zack is Cloud if he had a dad around. confident ladies man who knows what he wants and takes it.

sometimes you dont user. Love stories have bad endings too.

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Trance was also less satisfing than limit breaks. Almost never got to make use of it when it mattered.

Cloud definitely had a crush on Tifa in childhood and as a teenager. He was also definitely into Aerith as seen through his dialogues, behavior, and how he plays along as her bodyguard.
Of course waifufag wars cannot comprehend loving more than one person.

or a big brother, or just a homie. Zack reminds me of a more tolerable Snow.

Once again, there is not a fucking chance they had sex man. It's just not in the characters of both Tifa and Cloud. if you really could read deeper into their personalities and experiences from the game, you would just know there was no sex involved.
And AC proves that they don't work out together well, even FFVII's ending shows that.

Right. It’s just we do never see Cloud’s dad but we see Zack’s

yeah thats true. I forget that trance also creates a surge of satisfaction that made limit breaks so good. Its mainly because of how OP they are in trance forms. They are able to use their trance forms longer than a single limit break attack.

I don't care if they did or didn't have sex. that they have persistent romantic feelings for one another is not dependent on that.

sure, I equate him to an older brother because of the absence of a father figure often leads to a big brother figure.

>tfw your childhood friend wasn't romantically interested in you

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>tfw no childhood friend and you grew up alone attaching temporarily to groups to find a friend.

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Seethe, shipfag.

i think you got the wrong user.

The fight would just end by the time I got a trance. And the bars filled up more slowly too.

Or maybe because Zack and Aerith are more extroverted and openly flirtatious whereas Cloud and Tifa have known each other since childhood and still have trouble communicating.

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Your friend is fucking dead

Nomura and Kitase said FF6 is the next in line for a remake.

Okay. I do buy that but two autists are not a great romance, which is the contention at play here.

yeah increasing the trance opportunities would have helped a lot.

2030 here we come!

Kefka will be annoying as fuck with voice acting! Gau will have a lot of zippers. Cyan will be younger and act like Squall

KAAAAAARRRRRLLLLLL!

>6
>8
>9
>10-3
What's it gonna be SE?

Tifa ultimately being the reason Cloud is finally able to accept himself for who he is and drop the destructive insecurity schtick is a pretty good romantic development.

6 I assume but they havent done 5 yet

>I didn't play the game
The two of them barely knew each other. Cloud was the weird kid who nobody talked to. The flashback on the well was literally the only time the two of them spoke more than a couple of sentences to each other.

Not really. Hell it isn't even the best romance in the franchise. Locke/Celes, Zidane/Garnet and Tidus/Yuna are all better, though none of them are spectacular either. Not Squall/Rinoa though, that romance was garbage.

There is no proof they did since neither of them seem the type to just have sex then remain somewhat distant friends afterwards. Especially considering Japan views of non-marriage sex. This is just another case of shippers taking an inch and stretching it to a mile.

>Implying Nomura and Kitase team will do FF6 remake
It will be another team, mate.

You are wrong, but Cloud and Tifa are pretty based.

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It’s good relationship development but it need not be seen as romantic, so I hesitate to think it makes up for their mutual autism.
I think they are together but it’s not a great romance is all. It skimps on the fundamentals.

You sir, are possibly mai nigga

Aeris is not extroverted when she meets Zack, she's very reserved. She's much more outgoing when she meets Cloud because the first method didn't work.

THE ETERNAL WAR OF CLOUDXAERITH AND CLOUDXTIFA NEVER ENDS

And her personality varies. Though she is younger here and its understandable I guess

People are not really bringing up Clerith. But Zaerith (?)

Clerith v Clifa is just total preferencs since it was planned Clifa would win.

Wrong! Not the best but surprisingly good compared to the rest of the lore

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I'm really surprised it was ever a debate. The more reserved 'pure' girl always wins and the childhood friend almost always wins, so Tifa was doubly guaranteed to win even if Aerith didn't die.

>Tifa literally lies to cloud and panders his delusions because she wanted alpha male and not his old Omega self

Zack had way better chemistry with Cissnei compared to Aerith

I hope we find out what happened to her in the remake

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One could totally write Tifa as manipulative and predatory just by changing the implications around. Obviously not the true characterization but it’s so close.

To be fair this is before anime showed us these tropes, so it’s easier to see now. It’s somewhat lame though because it means the same kind of girl wins even without any real effort or even seeming compatible with the guy.

I was not talking specifically about 7 but basically Aerith automatically loses because they gave Tifa a backstory with Cloud and they coincidentally find each other in Midgar 7 years later.
Oh and she had a previous boyfriend while Tifa is apprently just given oneitis (which is only there to make her the romance option, not because it makes a lot of sense).

I like the way they set up Clifa otherwise but knowing it was a foregone conclusion for these trivial matters cheapens it and I hate that.

this is literally the opposite of the truth.

Cloud/Tifa is just a comfy slow burn while Cloud/Aerith was a perfect match that got cut tragically short. It WAS called a love triangle in the manual. Both were real.
The only reason it's still a debate is because both sides trying to judge who Cloud loves more, as if you can measure such a thing. The endgame is with Tifa still alive, but Cloud still seems to visit Aerith spiritually. Both sides should be satisfied.

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It’s not the truth at all but the affection minigame does have her respond to “cool” remarks more than Aerith, who prefers you just to show you care

They should be. Yes. You are right.

What isCissnei like?

>the childhood friend almost always wins
Maybe in the west, but the "childhood friend always loses" is practically a staple of Japanese media. It's more uncommon when they do win.

Childhood friends usually need to say something.

>so Tifa was doubly guaranteed to win even if Aerith didn't die.
I have to disagree, usually its the one girl who changes the MC's life. Thats the main love interest and Aerith does that and is focused on a lot.

With out Zack being apart of clouds mind I dont think Cloud and Aerith would be attracted to eachother. Tifa knows the real cloud and that is why I think Cloud with Tifa in the end.

Maybe that's how it is in anime, but in video games the childhood friend is usually the default love interest. This is due to the implications it carries, making it so spending time developing said romance is minimal. Hell the childhood friend doesn't even have to be present for 98% of the game to win. Just look at Dragon Quest XI.

>Cloud being that intimate
He's a beta.
Tifa always has to make the first move.

Shipfags are retarded. It's clear that he had feelings for both women but LTD autism will never end is because they can't accept the fact that someone can move on and love another person. It won't be settled unless the creators shove in their face that there's a "definitive" winner.

Absurd.

Thank you for spoilers. But I assume you mean the village girl, i assumed she’d be back so it’s not huge. DQ4 does it too

One of the few anons that gets it.

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I-it’s not like that. Cloud just inserts himself into some of Zack’s experiences, the ones Zack shared, and larps as a badass soldier rather than a copy of Zack

Yea

Made me want to play ff7 again and then I remembered the random encounter
yikes

Tifa does it too in disc 2 but I see what you mean. Tifa puts something back in its proper place, you mean creating something new more directly. Which Aerith does (more-so).

>mother son relationship
No user

This ship should be end game. And I'm not even being ironic. Rude with zero personality whatsoever would make better partner for Tifa than Cloud.

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I think the real important questions are:
1. will the affection mechanic still be in the remake
2. can we still waifu Barret.

oof, the only ship that matters

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He has personality and you just want to jack off lmao

Greatest love story ever told.

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Probably yes but just changing dialogue slightly, the Aeris date will probably be just the result no matter what. Or if there are options it will just be Tifa and Aeris with Aeris having priority still.

Well, you ain't wrong.

>Cloud and Tifa
>not Yuri and Alice from the Shadow Hearts series
I mean shit she died a slow death to save him, he turned down banging his mother who was a 10/10 before she got sent into the past and met Yuris father, he tried to resurrect her at one point and finally at the end of the 2nd game his final dying wish was to go back to right before he met her in the first game with all his memories to ensure he would save her this time around.

>tits faggotry replaced by shipping faggotry
why does God hate me so much?

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>no don't mention any of these other scenes that hurt my point!
are you being obtuse on purpose or are you actually retarded

What would the point even be in the affection system anymore? Hell, what was the point back in the day? It doesn't influence anything since Cloud will still end up with Tifa regardless. FFX did the same shit except they might throw a blitzball to Tidus.

Problem with Yuri and Alice is that Alice is the most generic waifu in anything ever. How one can justify having such shit taste to not bang Karin because of her is beyond logical reason.

It mattered when there was a love triangle since they want you the player and Cloud to be les toward Aerith for the intended impact of her death. Especially the case for first play-throughs.

Most people get Tifa when they learn they can manipulate the system to see what she says, knowing Cloud and Tifa end up together. It’s elegantly effective.

All the scenes he listed were in the past, except the Highwind, under which they did not fuck.

Yuri and Alice is the story of a bad boy and the church going girl only the bad boy can turn into monsters to kill other monsters and the church girl is so holy she can give jesus a run for his money

>lower the remake's resolution until it looks like the PS1 version

Yeah, try harder and spin the facts your way so it matches your agenda, kek.

Aerith date should definitely be unskippable but it would be such a waste to not get this comedy gold in the remake
youtube.com/watch?v=D30JDkDHWZk

Extra point to

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Thing is that what you just said can kinda describe just about every video game romance. No matter what kind of person the MC is, he will almost always fall for the most pure innocent girl. Girls like Alice are basically every guy's type.

What am I spinning? It’s just a reasonable explanation for the mechanic.

Reminder that the only person who for sure kisses Cloud is best girl

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Not that user but I get this, as long as it’s not a petty and absurd level of purity. I think that’s why people balk at it sometimes.

You should not be getting with the town bike turned ex-pornstar. But it’s also silly to have the good girl be totally oblivious to the idea she’s sexually attractive to men.

>player determinant kiss
>player determinant fug
i just don't know user

Homeboy knows he’s going to jail

There's almost never a "town bike turned ex-pornstar" love interest. Typically a love triangle with the MC will have a pure sweet girl and the more tough mature girl, in which case the former pretty much always wins regardless of what kind of character the MC is. Off the top of my head the only time this wasn't the case was Lufia 2.

What it really comes down to is that Japan simply idolizes that type of female, as being more supportive and submissive is preferable to a more self-reliant girl. Funny enough FFVII played with this by making the white mage the more independent girl and the monk the more reliant one, although people often get their archetypes confused.

They were deliberately absurd examples. I know your set-up is more the norm. I just find it irksome is all to have it be a foregone conclusion based on just who the characters are at their inception. I think there are more important considerations, and it lessens any drama/suspense.

>Japan simply idolizes that type of female
Everyone does, except for cuckolds.

Cray and Elina form BoF4 is a much better story.

I don’t watch shows looking for a wife though. Just something entertaining I can get involved in.

'Bartz and Krile
Damn autocorrecter

I was 7 years old

Most of that dumb characterization is due to bad localizing.

the scene where he tries to reach faris at the ball and keeps getting shoved away was kino
honestly he could get with any of the three girls and I wouldn't complain

You have to admit the reason Aerith looked at cloud because he reminded her of Zack.

Yeah when ever you see a romance anime, the girl who changes the MC's life usually always wins.

She says that but she adds they’re not the same after getting to know Cloud. And not just looking like Zack, having the same gestures and stuff too.

Aerith’s english personality was way better. It gave her an edge that did not take away frommher fundamentally sweet nature.

But I dont see how Tifa’s personality would have been less subdued and more independent in Japanese.

Which is better imo. It should be based on something demonstrated.

Yeah, that's why she reached out to him at first and was immediately comfortable but after the golden saucer date she said she wants to know the real Cloud. So at least she was aware of it.

>There's almost never a "town bike turned ex-pornstar" love interest.
I think this is why I loved Darling in the Franxx so much.

Your Lie in April if you want a dead girl vs childhood friend love triangle.

>What it really comes down to is that Japan simply idolizes that type of female, as being more supportive and submissive is preferable to a more self-reliant girl. Funny enough FFVII played with this by making the white mage the more independent girl and the monk the more reliant one, although people often get their archetypes confused.
well they definitely idolize the purity part and motherly like kindness. But submissive? they would idolize tsunadere so much if that were the case.

I dont, its just from observing anime so much. Its usually the girl who changes the life of the MC that wins. Just saying.

Nope
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(5:22)

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Technically the tsundere needs someone too, just needs to get over herself.

I tend to like tsunderes for this reason. It’s a little more believable there needs to be character growth.

its a growth for sure but I tire of it, there is a point where the girl goes too far and people just deal with it. I prefer the slutty girls who in the end want to fall in love.

There are limits to everything. In some cases the guy makes it worse too.

Seriously what's all this fucking CC shit

yeah, there is no common happy medium I guess. I mean I love strong women who can think for them selves and are even better than the Mc but when they are obnoxious about it...

Aerith has just as much spunk and edge in Japanese. Hell, she's even clever. Tifa is very keen on just insulting her friends and whatnot in English but she has a lot more tenderness in Japanese. They're both strong girls and the original English script tends to miss the point of them often.

>tfw you try to enjoy FF7 but the controls on PC are all sorts of fucked and the framerate in combat is a special kind of garbage that pisses me off to no end
>story seems kind of slipshod as well and you're kind of bored the entire time
Does it get better from here? It feels like a downgrade from 6.

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>want to fuck this hot blonde
>unload on him about your first love who disappeared
Pick one.

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I like how Sephiroth seems to be rather pissed off in this instead of completely stoic. I feel like the spinoff works forgot he was legit fucking nuts.

Get the Reunion mod. Helps the story a lot. As for the controls I had to rebind them but still have to press the x key at the start of the game to actually start playing.

Rinoa Squall though.

She should be clever. Her dad was a genius.

Strong is, now, loaded as fuck. For me they just need to have something going in themselves. Not just there to the MC’s love.

You're wrong, but it was a good love story.

How did you miss it? Literally the entirety of Cloud's backstory is centered around wanting to be someone Tifa can be proud of.

You mean the movie where they're living together and raising two children?

What does Reunion do? Fix translations? Doesnt devolve into fanfic stuff?

She’s reminded of Zack, which makes her insecure I think (since she thinks he must have found another girl)

He’s making a point about how their romance seems much better set up than demonstrated. A feeling increased by AC not being all that satisfying in its portrayal.

Thanks, I'll go grab the mods. FF7, 8, and 9 are the only ones I never got the chance to play as I missed the entire 5th gen, so I'm trying to revisit them to see what I missed out on.

It fixes the translation. There are also other mods that come with the package and you can pick them out before installing. One includes a performance fix for frames, another includes audio fixes, the option to toggle between American and British English, alternate models, etc. Strongly recommended for the translation and performance fixes it nothing else.

Pretty sure the kid in AC was supposed to be theirs but they didn't wanna piss off aerith fags.

woah
it's almost like one of these games is older than the other one

Tifa references it twice in Japanese in the 3 minute remake trailer she's only in half of. It seems like it'll be a very big thing in the Remake. Which I'm all for.

Tidus and Yuna is by far the best FF couple.
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AC is dogshit anyway. Cloud gets turned into a simpering, moody twat just because the movie makers needed to justify making a movie for a finished story for money.

Whole movie is about his guilt over her so I dont know. It was also only a few years later, they wanted a kid Tifa did not have to care for as strongly so she could be in action scenes, so he had to be older.

>living together
Roommates at best and Barret probably lives with them too. All I remember was Tifa constantly complaining about how Cloud is so distant and never around. Marlene is Barret's adopted daughter.

Yea that’s kind of the thing. It’s talked about. You’re told it.

Oh it definitely is.

>Pretty sure the kid in AC was supposed to be theirs
If that's the case I feel sorry for Tifa being even more a femcuck than she was while Aerith was still alive. Seeing as the entire movie is Cloud wanted to die in Aerith's church without telling anyone he was there.

wasn't the kid an orphan

Some of Tifa’s affection points are gained from Cloud being nice to other girls. So I am for femcuck Tifa lmao.

It's better off completely disregarded. The game should be the only point of reference imo. Crisis Core is also bad and should be disregarded. It's not as bad as Dirge of Cerberus but it's still crappy.

Ah, the good old, "everything I don't like is not canon".

Yeah, one of the midgar survivors or something if I remember correctly

Sure bro. The inconsistencies between the original game and all the spin-offs are already enough to invalidate their canonicity. I'd be saying they should be disregarded even if I liked them.

Tifa silently became a little obsessed with Cloud after he saved her on the Nibelheim mountains. Partly out of guilt complex for both him getting hurt and them blamed for her own actions, partly out of what could be interpreted as either him doing what no other kids dared to risk or fulfilling that knight in shining armor role she desired.

The time between the incident and the well is left up in the air, but we do know Cloud was distant from his peers and the incident had Tifa actually start to notice him.

Since we’re not arguing about anything I will let you disregard them. If we were and it looked like you conveniently wanted to not consider them I’d probably be a stickler.

This is not well set up in the game desu. I believe it because it makes sense but that should be acknowledged

He's not wrong. This goes way beyond "people love space hitler so as of this moment Vader becomes Space Jesus and Luke's father" bullshit retcon, because at least that was in a mainline entry. Before Crisis, Dirge of Cerberus, AC and CC are bullshit fanfictions.

>This poor clueless user had a girl flirt with him and didn't notice it
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Besides Sony of America's wonky dick localization, there's a lot of little tidbits that simply don't get much explanation or detail like they need. A number of scenes that do add more context (like explaining what Sephiroth Clones really are) got dummied out as well. I don't think the remake will ever reasonably get close to much of the bigger shit, but the little details matter, and VII isn't perfect with showing them.

>Not just there to the MC’s love.
some plot relevancy or what?

>He's not wrong. This goes way beyond "people love space hitler so as of this moment Vader becomes Space Jesus and Luke's father" bullshit retcon
waht?

It can be many things. Depends in the work. A story like FF7, plot relevance would be preferred. A reason to be there besides the MC.

For like an SoL anime? Their own story or issue.

>like explaining what Sephiroth Clones really are)
werent they just incomplete clones of the original or even just people soaked in mako and jenova cells? not much is needed to say what clones really are.

well ff9 does that as well as a lot of stories. Yes there is the romance to it too, but here we have a case of plot relevancy and romance plot.

I think ff9’s romance is better too. The game just plays... well you know

they were nibelheim survivors thrown into the mako/jenova process, yes. a problem with the localization, however, was using the term "clone" rather than "copy", and to this day a lot of people still don't understand the full gist since the dialogue tends to become a bit of a mess over it until Tifa unveils the truth in the lifestream. but there was an unused scene where Cait Sith would've spelled out what the clones were more thoroughly.

He's absolutely wrong. Canon is a body of work. That isn't decided by the audience.

The term clone is what makes it confusing. For me as a more easily distracted kid anyway.

They’re more akin to homunculi, or altered people trying to recapture the Sephiroth magic.

Which begs the question... Hojo knows you inject jenova cells into a pregnant woman to enhance the developing fetus. Why didnt he do that?

Or was it Gast that did it and he proper technique died with him? I guess that’s it

I honestly didn't mind the FF6 remake/remaster.

Let's go!
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Hojo probably jacked their shit up just to see what would happen while expecting a 100% fatality rate. If he knew about the reunion theory at that point, then maybe he also figured to want to see the results of it.

He is also vain enough to only want his son to be the special sephiroth.

Hojo was probably shooting blanks by then and also takes too long. They wanted to mass produce sephiroths I would think.

>tfw they were but you fucked it up just like everything else

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I think he means how in the first Star Wars, Darth Vader was just a generic bad guy. Then after the movie was a big success and they got actual writers for the sequel, they changed the character to be Luke's father and have a redemption arc, and then took this further by eventually making it so he's the most important character in the series and everything he did was because of destiny, presumably all because the character was just so popular.

Are you me? I was the king kf not reading signals. Or being too lame and nervous to act on them.

It does not have to be his kid but if it is not his kid he likely doesnt care to do it

Ironically, Nomura’s approach to this entry and spinoffs is most similar to Lucas’ with Star Wars.

its not the kid I am talking about its the process of making more that is the real deal here. Waiting 9 months to see if your experiment worked and then having to rip said child from their mother.

I think they’d do it for another Sephy but some combination of ego and losing Gast made it not possible.

Never made that connection before but you're 100% right

Shinra are my favorite incompetent villain organization in gaming, because the story makes them out to be horrible people with such an extreme power and grip on the world, and then nearly every person working for them is a goofball or an idiot as the mooks get Scooby-Doo'd

It’s like their position makes them complacent and underestimate everyone around them.

youtube.com/watch?v=AMiZwXoWp_Y

you be surprised how such egos can make up for incompetence. Makes it seem like they arent failures. Like Trump actually.

There's a difference between underestimating, and a fat exec with a magic gun spanking his ass before getting run over by his own truck by his own men

Given way more power than he had originally, has a mistaken idea of why people liked what he worked on, inevitably ends up changing things for the worse, lacks a subtle hand with characters and dialogue.

What I’m driving at is that since becoming a power company from a wweapon manufacturer they’ve lost their edge to the point they cant properly deploy themselves against competent adversaries.

Like having Palmer steal the Bronco is a good example of that

they are becoming more of a joke the more they lose.

That's kinda the point user, the life-force of the planet was always there and was in everything, they were just brazen and greedy enough to manage to stumble upon using mako as an energy source which led to them gaining so much power that it didn't matter that they were bumbling retards and as a result thought they could do whatever they wanted with no repercussions which is what lead to avalanche being founded in the first place

Bottom left Tifa looks weird. Its like they shrunk a normal sized girl. Her dress even looks like she has some tits.

>and as a result thought they could do whatever they wanted with no repercussions which is what lead to avalanche being founded in the first place
I mean, they could. Basically everyone but Fort Condor got fucked or submitted. Wutai fought a rather bloody war with them, but got curbstomped once they finally moved SOLDIER in. AVALANCHE were the only ones to make a noticeable dent, both old and new, and even then Shinra was just gonna recoup the losses and damages were it not for the wild card of Jenova giving everyone a new priority and incidentally saving the main cast.

Shinra weren't just bumbling retards, they were damn lucky bumbling retards until letting Hojo do as he pleased with a blank check finally backfired.

I like how hes holding her up by her neck in the last one

People became dependent on the easy living of Mako energy and submitted to their quantity over quality military and police. Keep in mind the game is based on an initial consumption and environmental decay metaphor, this fits.

WRONG!

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a reminder that cloud is 170 cm in height

Oh boy, he's just like me!

Can't believe they thought 60 bucks made sense for the PC release.

What happened bros? I thought VI was something of a fan favorite, but Square seems to completely ignore it (compare it to IV for example)

the only based post in this thread

one thing I was always kind of unclear on, did Cloud and Tifa actually make that childhood promise? from the flashbacks in the lifestream, it sounds like they weren't even really friends or even talked at all before he ran off.

We have no reason to believe it’s a fake memory, but the path to friendship is not spelled out (particularly with the dad chewing Cloud out).
Some tie ins say all the boys did something similar when they departed
Others say they became close, Cloud out of guilt and her out of his support for her recovery.

Yes they did. Yes they weren't.
Tifa started obsessing over Cloud only after he confessed and left to become a soldier. Before that he was too much of THAT guy and she was very popular among kids so he never approached her.

Locke and Celes are more interesting than Tifa and Cloud.

Aeris is like, 15-16 when she meet Zack? She's 22 when she meet cloud so of course she's more outgoing with Cloud.

>tfw the remake of 7 will never show Cloud and Tifa getting together and kiss because japs are a bunch of pussies that don't want to upset Aeris/Yuffie fags.

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Someone ruined that for me by pointing out he’s preserving a corpse

Squall and Rinoa were better

>they were lucky bumbling retards until hojo fucked it
I completely agree, I really think that was the point of it all. They weren't particularly intelligent or formidable by themselves they were just willfully ignorant, greedy and in the right place at the right time (which is a far more realistic portrayal of "evil") and if hojo hadn't fucked around with things he shouldn't have not even AVALANCHE would have been able to do anything about them because as second user said people grew accustomed to and dependant on mako energy. This is why ff7 still has and will always have an objectively good and relevant story

Locke being obsessed over a dead lover and Celes being a suicidal insecure broken girl with daddy issues is what made their eventual bodning interesting. They are both forced to sort out their problems before they can stop merely using each other as substitutes for something lost and move on together.

I don't even get the drama with these fucking shipperfags. I love both heroines, they have unique high tier qualities, but at the end of the game one of them is alive, and the other is decomposing at the bottom of the fucking ocean. To be an Aerithfags at that point is to say Cloud should just be a permavirgin for the rest of his life, because their waifu no longer has corporeal form. CloudxTifa just makes practical sense.

Yuffie isn't really in the Cloudbowl. She just has a crush and is cute. Cute!

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Nips likes to pair their main protagonist with girls that were never touched before.

here's a better love story from the same game

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Aeris is for Zack.

The real drama here is aerisfags being scapegoated for Nomura’s hackery. He’s never done a good job portraying that relationship despite preferring it, and the original game was not explicit with it (but it was definitely there) plus the let down of how AC handled it just embittered everyone

>glorious hd
>characters, backgrounds, and map locations are all different resolutions

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Cloud literally got impaled on a giant fucking sword, and he was so ALPHA he picked up the sword that was still inside of him and tossed the giant badass on the other end into molten planet blood. Literally the most metal thing any FF character has ever done.

Oh I know. Tifa’s oneitis for Cloud, as a few have touched on here, is not well explained though so it strains credulity. It’s just there to expedite her being the “winner” and feels tacky

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To be fair she did not see that, didnt know he was there

The promise was real but as other anons have said they weren't particularly close but had the same sort of bond you'd have with kids you grew up and went to primary school with (we call it primary here but I'm talking about years 1-7, before high school stuff). Kinda like how a popular girl might find the weird kid undateable but still a bit sweet so during a "special moment" might confide in and get to know that person a little better. That's how I always saw it anyway

Tifa/Aerith ship war is the most retarded shit ever.
They were both important for Cloud. They both took their part in healing him. But one of them is dead and another is Cloud's lifelong partner who ultimately pieces his self back together.

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Too bad Nomura fucking hates Tifa

I thought Tifa was taller?

Usually the shipwar is people trying to retcon any idea Cloud had interest in Aerith, or say he was just mimicking Zack to the point he liked the same girl. There was an early thread where this happened and after the two guys trying to push this view left it became comfy

>giving a single shit about what happens after the original game

I hope he realizes by now people want a resolution, and this half-cocked blueballing for both sides leaves everyone unsatisfied. If he wants to make up some contrived ass reason why Aerith doesn't die in the remake so she wins the bowl, go for it, but he needs to get off the fucking fence and pick a side.

Everything I have seen indicates Tifa borders on his inserted waifu, which is worse imo

Uh Tifa belongs to Aerith and so carries her around.

she is a slut

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It’s actually easy to satisfy both sides at this point and have a resolution. I could go into it but not sure I have the energy (or if you’d care desu)

Basically give both sides something to hold onto so they can walk away even while you let one win.

even above that japs usually never show a kiss scene in their rpgs

Aerith herself would be glad to see Cloud happy together with Tifa. This is how retarded this ship war is, if you can even call it that way since one of them is fucking dead.

Mad as fuck Aerith shippers lmao

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Speaking of which, why was he living in a church? They never addressed that.

are people really this fucking obsessed with who Cloud was boning?
>Aerith doesn't die in the remake
I'm pretty sure they aren't going to piss all over the most iconic and shocking moment the game has to offer

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It is a dumb ad hoc standard. I know people like romance but Aerith literally saving the world seems pretty important too

Maybe not even included, her entire part was just weird. You make out with a preteen and then use a dolphin to jump up to some really high platform, none of that is particularly necessary.

What the hell is LTD?

don't you have to save her from a boss?

Yeah there's that water boss that fucks with the dolphin and attacks her, but none of that is very plot necessary. I'd be fine if it makes it in, but as far as looking at things to cut to make the wait not take an eternity, that section can be easily adjusted to something else.

I played FF 7 I think back on PS. No idea about story(if there is one) I dont care, Tiffa is slut build for breeding, there is nothing more.

Don't they like Rinoa?

Just make it a boy instead then

Cloud/Tifa is a rebound pathetic excuse for a "romance". Cloud/Aeris was the main course that got cut tragically short.

No one is ever satisfied in a love triangle, which is why the idea of it in the first place is fucking dumb.

Aeris will always be the best and only girl for Cloud. That's how it should have been.

>Nomura literally made Cloud based on himself so he can ship his self insert with his ideal woman
>Nomura totally hates tifa!!
Ummm...

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Dude im cloud except there was just that far right 1 scenario and now I just ride into the sunset

Love Triangle Debate. It's been around for 20+ years and we're going to have another 20 years of this retarded "debate" after the remake if Nomura still wants to be a hack and end it ambiguously

Are you saying Nomura is an unironical cuck? We got shit innuendo in FFVII and Rinoa is factual used goods.

It was just necessary at the time for RPGs to include mini-games to cope with the blandness of graphics and to meet gaming standards. That whole CPR whistle shit shinra soldier march at Junon and the castle defense game is all just a part of their attempt to give you a whole package

Actually, Cloud thinks Aeris is the one who brang the kid to him and Tifa inserts herself as his mother. So it's actually Cloud/Aeris kid with Tifa the femcuck being an orbiter as always.

AC was a Cloud/Aeris movie. SE always loved them, they don't give a fuck about Tifa. Cry more about her botched tits.

UNIRONIC might be an understatement user.

Like I said, if this is true it's worse and makes me like Tifa less actually.

Especially the idea of him suggesting to kill the other girl who had a greater stake in the plot to make room for her.

Add on the fact he’s a hack who has not written Cloud, Tifa, or Aerith well since then and yea it just looks like faggot tier behavior.

>Entire game is about Cloud wanting to and eventually getting to bang Tifa
Where exactly is the debate?

Cope

Aeris was more important to Cloud dead or alive. Eat shit, Tifacuck.

It eventually turns into that but at the beginning he seems unaware of his past strong feelings for her. For example he’s about to leave because Barrett does not pay him and she has to remind and guilt him over the well promise.

And Tifa or Aerith can do it, add some /ss/ into the mix.

I doubt Nomura self inserts into Squall though. With Cloud, he literally created a character based on himself and later on created his ideal big titted female character to ship with his 2d self.

I watched Advent Children and played Dirge of Cerberus. Where's the romance, implied or otherwise?

I hope Aeris lives and marries Cloud so Tifashitters will fuck off forever with their delusions and blatant Cloud/Aeris erasure.

Retards arguing all thread about Tifa and Cloud when you have an actual ONSCREEN AND DEVELOPED romance between Cloud and Aeris.

He's an Aerisfag. He made AC to let everyone know Aeris lives on inside Cloud and even sent him a child from Aeris.

He even said Tifa and Cloud will have problems and that was always the idea since the end of VII. They were never meant to work out and Nomura sure as fuck ain't throwing you retards a bone now.

There are people who unironically believe that Cloud wanted to kill himself in AC because he wants to be with Aerith.

It's very badly demonstrated as has been said a few times. On paper it’s really well done in the original game but even there they mostly leave it very understated, so AC and other spinoffs dropping the ball were really damaging

Dude, I explained in another thread
It's a popular weeb trope that even burgers use
>Guy totally loves Girl A, but shit happens and he temporarily loses his memory, gets to know Girl B, gets his memory back, and is conflicted over who his true self actually loves. Or, he's forced to spend time with Girl B, falls in love with her, his new love is bigger than one for Girl A.
Usually both lead to Girl B.

You know what Aeris would prefer? Being alive and with Cloud. Stop pretending you give a fuck, you dishonest shitter. Your ugly waifu Tifa is shit and will never be happy with Cloud.

In other words, post-FF7 pairings are headcanon, especially with player choice in the original game in mind.

This picture makes zero sense, because new Tifa literally has boobs as big as on the right in that image...
You people are actually fucking delusional, it's very interesting.

Question.

Would you guys like a extra part in FF 7 that is literally the whole AC story but rpgified and expanded??

He certainly was unhappy with his life at this point and wanted some contact for closure’s sake. Suicide I don't recall though. Maybe having geostigma made him think it did not matter but idk

That’s probably best

Nooooooo

>that fake ass picture

nice source tifacuck

nah fuck those seph clones

Make a Turks/Shinra spinoff like Before Crisis

better off just making something completely new

Havin a stroke there, buddy?

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FF7 sequels were a mistake in the first place.

He did. And that's from a cut scene, not just a theory like you Tifacucks rely on.

You wouldn't even want them as side extra bosses/dungeons?

Not him but that pic backfires every time I see it. You do not want Tifa to be that hack’s magnum opus

same shit as other love stories in games.
fucking underage.

This is correct. Prequel, i.e. Crisis Core, could have been good, but they managed to fuck that up too by adding the whole Angeal/Genesis/Hollander shit.

Are Tifa and Cloud happy together? Nope.

Are they even together at all? Nomura doesn't know and doesn't give a fuck.

Does SE care about Tifa and her design? Nope, they are too busy making Aeris perfect and the main girl as usual.

Keep crying bitch.

Every FF romance got worse and worse as the titles go on. The peak was Locke and Celes from 6

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This.

It's amazing that in 2019 there are still spergs like this who are still seething after all these years that Tifa won.

There was no romance. Cloud had a crush on her and then ghosted her all game until Aeris died and only had a "romance" with her that was 100% optional.

Aeris is the main heroine and Cloud's canon love interest. They flirted and spent time together all game and Cloud was devastated when she died.

Two years later, he still won't fuck Tifa and wants to die in Aeris' church and Tifa is still jealous.

Tifa/Cloud is like some dysfunctional pathetic excuse for an "almost" romance while Cloud/Aeris is true love.

Imagine having a rotting corpse as a waifu for 2 decades

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Zidane and Garnet was good too, but you're right.

At least the ending was kino.

Your seething all over the thread is almost amusing.

Tifa didn't win, she never will either. Her "romance" was 100% optional and Nomura (you know, the guy making the remake?) says he doesn't know if they ever got together and said it was always the plan that they might not work out.

He was too busy making sure Aeris was living on inside Cloud.

Nomura says Aeris doesn't die. She lives on in Cloud. He's making the remake. Cry more.

>The more he realizes how happy he is living with Tifa and the children, the more the fear of losing that and regrets toward the past trouble Cloud... (Cloud's profile, 10th AU)
Except he isn't. The reason why he's a depressed fuck in AC is because of the geostigma aids and he thinks he isn't fit to protect the people he cares for, he and Tifa literally had a talk about this. On top of that he blames himself for the death of Aerith and Zack. In the end he moves on because he realizes he's no longer alone.

>He was too busy making sure Aeris was living on inside Cloud.
Living there together with Zack as his spiritual support you mean.

Aeris is perfect and Tifa is garbage and now she doesn't even have tits to make up for it.

Imagine only caring about a shitty character for two decades because of her tits and they deflate anyway and she looks like a 30 year old auntie.

You Tifacucks seething about how ugly Tifa is every single day for the past week is absolutely amusing.

Aeris will always win.

>AC
Who the FUCK cares?

This is not shown, just told to you in some book. That’s the problem here people keep bringing up.

>he is making the remake
Yes, all by himself, everything is his choice. Absolutely. No other input in that project. Kitase and Nojima btfo. They have no say.

All the romance was 100% optional, Barret included. You find out that the connection Aeris had with Cloud was solely based on Zack, and Tifa herself ignored and treated Cloud like shit for years, only doing what she does in FF7 out of guilt. Yuffie and Barret would be the only true romance options not affected by external factors.

He thinks shit like SW: Rogue One or "The Hobbit" is canon.

>reddit spacing aeriscuck still seething
My sides.

Yuffie's a cunny, making Barret the one true and only pure romance option in FFVII. Fact.

Honestly you seem to show up late in every thread and you do spend it in a frenzy antagonizing Tifafags.

Not gonna say you are one but it seems almost like a poe thing

Aeris is not in love with Zack any more. She even rejects him and tells him point blank she likes Cloud more.

She even wanted to see Cloud and could have physically manifested the way Sepiroth did, but she wanted Cloud to remember her the way she was.

Keep that in mind. Aeris can actually come back if she wanted and she lives on inside Cloud. All Nomura's doing. Can't wait to see what he has in store for us Aerisfags, he's already given us so much.

You tifacucks will still be lamenting over her botched design in the meantime.

>that one mad shipper sperging all over the thread and yelling at clouds

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I'd pay a substantial amount of money to delete any and all ""expanded universe"" cancer from FF7. AC, CC, DoC, fucking everything should have never existed.

And an official one just like the Ultimanias, retard.

Aeris confirms it was not solely based on Zack. Stop trying to peddle this frequently falsified theory

Link and Zelda in Spirit Tracks, user. She's even the best companion in the series

FUCK JANNIES AND TRANNIES. DILATE.

Why do you tifafags resort to insults when you totally dont understand the point of anything

Actually I am the reddit spacing one. He’s the one who actually argues Cloud and Tifa do not like each other. And I had tifafags typing in all caps earlier just by being so sensible

No, Tifa actually bitches him out for wanting to die to see Aeris in a cut scene. Keep crying about canon. It's also stated explicitly in the official material that Tifa is still jealous fo Aeris and the fact that Cloud went to her church to die.

Aeris is the one who frees him of his guilt and AIDS. Because of his love for her, he was confused and thought he wanted her forgiveness more than anything else but he needed to forgive himself. Aeris makes him realize that.

>tifa totally loves cloud guys
Right, that's why she tells him to fuck off while she spends the night in another guy's bedroom. A guy she knows likes her. Delusional Tifacucks.

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The "it" is basically just one optional date at the Gold Saucer and then having her and Cloud having their fortunes read by some furry. The "romance" in FF7 is weak as shit.

Best ship coming through

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COPE

No, the Aeris gold saucer date is 100% the canon option as it's referenced in official material as such all the time.

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Tifa consistently got JOHNNYED before Cloud returned to Midgar. Also got BLACKED. Even on the same night they bombed Reactor 1.

I mean, that picture is from a remade fight in XIV

Posting the better ship.

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I never argued Cloud and Tifa didn't like each other. Cloud had a crush on her and then stopped giving a fucking about her romantically until Aeris died.

And actual flirting, him being concerned for her safety, the dream conversation, and his anguish over her death (trumping his village being burned down). More I am forgetting I am sure.
And the dating game is rigged in her favor anyway

Not saying it’s spectacular but it is shown and not told.

>barret_and_anita_sarkesian arm_wresting.png

what a disgusting art style

>would you mind leaving us alone for the day?

literally who the fuck says this? Tifashitters really are cucks.

This is true. Ultimania did confirm is as canon and whenever the scene is shown in some other media it is pretty much invarianly Aerith there.

iirc it was Hojo who made Seph, or at least part of the team and should know about the fetus injection stuff. But wasn't the whole point of clones that Hojo wanted to proofthe reunion theory and that the clones would ultimately take a pilgrimage towards Seph?

bitch got a bigger nose than barret

I can't wait for them in episode 1 to clarify the whole Aerith liking Cloud thing by explaining Zack so we can thin out the herd of morons that don't get it. I REALLY can't wait for them to expand the under the highwind scene with Tifa to really nail the point home.

Or do not during and after the stories events, I should have clarified. I agree it’s poorly shown and done (and that Aerith did it better at least in this regard) but it’s there.

Maybe, just surprised Shinra never said “make us another Seph”

Maybe they decided it was a liability since they’d never control him

The Cloud/Aeris romance is the main one and is actually shown and developed onscreen.

The Shitfa/Cloud "romance" is told to you and only existed when they were kids and Cloud maybe ends up with her after Aeris dies but probably not because Nomura is back in town, cry more.

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The first one is outright contradicted by all tie-ins, spinoffs, and the game’s own dialogue. You’re just dumb.

The second, probably will not happen for dumb reasons.

Better gear up to leave then, because Aeris saw the real Cloud and loved him more than Zack. This is canon.

something is going wrong with both of their faces.

She's also dead, while the rest of the game played out in the way it did.

Do we even need to post the interview detailing the original plan for the highwind scene?

Given how all the supplementary material handled it, and how the remake has already started doing it, I fail to see how anything but CloudXSephiroth is canon.

Cloud literally states in the original game that he’s not interested in girls.

>trumping his village being burned down).
Projection. You only get to see Cloud talk about Nibelheim in a flashback, and it's not even the correct memory or chain of events. The "flirting" is done by virtually every female party member, including the 14 year old Yuffie, and you literally have Cloud and co running to save her in the Wutai scenario, so worrying about his friends safety isn't exclusive to one character. The dream before Aeris leaves is foreshadowing and not much else.

I don't care one way or the other about romance in FF7 as it's pure garbage, but there's a lot of projection and bias here.

>Never played FF7 barely know shit about the story besides some names, pink girl dies/get shanked on 7 mile sword
>Go into threads about it because new remake coming out
>there's always shipping discourse
Is this sectetly a dating sim and I've been lied to all these years?

Correct, Hojo injected the fetus. He also injected Zack/Cloud and all other Nibelheim survivors to test if Jenova cells would be drawn back towards Jenova itself. In the end this turns out to be Sephiroth summoning them to him.

Kek.

Sure, the same supplements which say the Aerith date is canon of course. I dont think you're arguing Cloud was indifferent to Aerith though.

barret is best girl and best date btw

Can't wait for all the "fans" of final fantasy 7 to play the remake and realize it has always been shit for teenage kids. It has worse writing than jojo.

>Entire game is about Cloud wanting to and eventually getting to bang Tifa
except the entire game was about his autistic obsession with Sephiroth and the fact he thinks he's someone else because he got doped up on planet blood

I love how Tifashitters are straight up ignoring that an official FF game recently had a character scolding Cloud for wanting to kill Sepiroth because he killed the woman Cloud "loves". Explicitly saying he loves Aeris. This is the narrative they are not shy about pushing nowadays. Get used to it.

Waifuism tends to blind people to the truth of the matter, in this case both of the females in question are top tier and all of the post FF7 content wavers from the original games lore in one way or another so people try to use that as leverage in their arguments pertaining to the original story/game.

Your response is something you could never prove or show

Cloud flirts back at Aerith. A character whom he does not return affections toward would be Jessie. And Yuffie flirts with all manner of hunks like at costa del sol.

And they save Yuffie in Wutai but almost begrudgingly because it’s a humorous side quest. I referenced the emotional state leading to the rescue, not the rescue itself

don't you guys hate it when your gf's boobs just shrink one day? arggh! really annoying thing that occurs in reality!

Tifa is 100% optional, Aeris isn't.

Nomura himself said Aeris lives on inside Cloud and she could come back if she wanted to, just not in her same body. He also said Tifa and Cloud were never supposed to work out possibly and that he had no idea if they ever got together. Stay mad. This is the man making the remake. He doesn't care about your ugly waifu. Just look at her kek

>im-fucking-plying

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What game?

No, Tifa is actual garbage and only got memed because of her tits.

Aeris is beloved and top-tier.

>there are people who still think Tifa wasn't fucking Johnny
lmao

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Where is this? If it’s true it’s very juicy ammo and I’d like it.

That was surface level and just a facet of the actual story.

Reminder that not only did Cloud flirt back at Aeris, but he only laughed with her as well and she was the only person he gave a fuck about for the entire first disc.

>fuck the planet
>fuck my friends
>oh shit, Aeris is in danger? Better go help her out!

Aeris only liked Cloud because he reminded her of Zack.
Tifa liked Cloud out of pity.
Yuffie only liked Cloud because of his materia collection.

Priscilla is the girl for Cloud.

Haha wouldn't it be funny if Tifa pegged Cloud?

I love my mum and my dog and my sister and my childhood friend but I am not in love with them. Are you ESL?

Name a better love song. I fucking dare you.

youtube.com/watch?v=W__p0gCBSZI

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stop

It's in material for AC and other official material.

They already played with the idea of Aeris being able to come back YEARS ago, don't be surprised if Nomura takes the plunge now.

Cloud is so obsessed with Sephiroth he daydreams about plunging his "buster sword" into his senpai constantly

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No, Aeris saw through to the real Cloud because of her Cetra powers and liked him more than Zack. She even tells him to his face in the Lifestream in an official novella.

Man this thread feels like a blast from the past. Even the Johnny cuck memes are back.

If you could passa link or otherwise give me mlre info on where to lookI’d appreciate it. Thank you and will google around

I’m not even anti-tifa in the way you are but these guys get uppity and start cursing at you in all caps. Gotta be prepared.

Surface level is not the right word, it wasthe basis for the story since early decelopment. It’s a basic building block and frame around which a lot more was placed

>official novella.
hahahahahahahahahahaha

>that one aerithfag replying at everyone and sperging itt
Hilarious. I hope Cloud fucks some random whore in the remake so both sides seethe for eternity. This is pathetic

Exactly what pary of the triangle is ambiguously? He loved both, but he only got to bang one cuz the other one died. End of story

>fake fanmade image

KEK

Have some real evidence for once.

youtube.com/watch?v=8HDk3gV7SvM&

>the woman that you lost?
>your love for her

Cloud loves Aeris, to the point that he puts everything else aside for her. That's always been a thing even in the OG and even Aeris herself called him out on it.

Nomura is a complete fuck up when it comes to romance as he's proven time and time again. Stop expecting anything.

They fuck in the airship at the end if you get enough affection points.

>i'm not even an anti-tifa
Sure you aren't. You act like Aerisfags don't do the same when these literally an Aerisfag here sperging at everyone like a retard.

Is Cloud's sword made out of cardboard? There's no weight in his attacks and it's like he's attacking with a whip

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This user does not know about Zack and the condition Cloud was in because of his situation regarding said character. The feelings he may or may not have had for Aerith were rooted in his own heart but rather Zacks. While Aerith may have eventually seen past that and liked Cloud for who he is, and while Cloud may have eventually separated his own feelings from the "cloud" and truthfully liked her back, it really doesn't matter because she died.

What this ends up being is a detour from the true backstory of Cloud and his intriguing somewhat non relationship with Tifa as a child. What we then see through the game is how his amnesia sort of self returns to reality while Tifa only strengthens her oneitis, literally sticking by his side until the end of the world to try and save him.

This isn't THAT hard to understand.

It is also referenced, albeit a little opaquely, in actual in game dialogie.

Can mako infused soldiers even reproduce?

>would you mind leaving us alone for the day?
:'( cloud can't win

The Chad Zack vs the cloud virgin

>it doesn't matter cuz she died ahurrhrjruru

This is Tifacucks only argument and they don't even have that because Nomura himself said that Aeris is still alive in side of Cloud and already played with the idea of her coming back. Tick tock Tifacucks.

>world of FF
Holy shit the reaching.

I have said they do, I just said Tifafagsdo it more and usually start the argument

From last thread.
You guys also get so paranoid about me you accuse other people of being me, lump me in with this other guy as some Emmanuel Goldstein thing, and generally always imply sinister motives at play whenevr you’re afraid of what Nomura might do

This is blantantly contradicted by in game dialogue. Again.

Based and harmonixerpilled

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She's going in for that suplex!

This is blantantly contradicted by in game dialogue. Again.

What are they basing it off of? Should we not trust square enix products over some idiots making a thread?

We are discussing Final Fantasy 7, not World of Final Fantasy, what happens in FF7 is what happens in FF7. If you wanted to argue points made outside of the original game then at best it would be considered a retcon.

Do we want to argue for the next 20 years about retcons?

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>he took someone away from me, forever
>will killing him bring back the woman that you lost?
how the hell did Terra know he was talking about a woman?

The original game and Squaresoft. Yes,
Cross-over games and Square-Enix. No.

>you guys
What the fuck are you on about? This is literally my first reply to you so you might be the paranoid one. Both sides are just as terrible so there's no need to act like one is better than the other. Hell, I hope the remake shuts up these retards once and for all.

it's literally on the wikis and the extra bts vids for AC. The stuff about Tifa and Cloud is in interviews for AC. Just google it.

Theres is tons of Cloud/Aeris and anti-Tifa stuff in the AC material, even in Tifa's own novel but Tifacucks always like to pretend it doesn't exist.

IT's actually confirmed in her novel that Cloud sleeps in a separate room, but they pretend they are fucking lmaooo

You can even see in the actual movie when Tifa is in his room there are flowers and pictures of flowers everywhere because they remind him of Aeris hahahahah

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Well he did have feelings for Aeris and hated Sephiroth for killing her, in addition to other things. So it’s not crazy it would be represented in a game like WoFF

COPE

SE are pushing Cloud/Aeris more than ever. they aren't even shy about it anymore. Nomura does not give a single fuck about you Tifacucks. It's over. go Cry over her tits some more.

So leaving midgar would be the end of the first disk. Means we'll only get Red XIII for one fight if anything.

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>He also said Tifa and Cloud were never supposed to work out possibly and that he had no idea if they ever got together
Can I get a source for this?

Oh you all get so formulaic and it seemed like you were critical of me for earlier comments I made, so I apologize for that, but my point stands that there were shrieking tifafags in the last thread

And the remake probably will by disappointing both.

Danke

It is real but may be too old. I’ll try looking if he doesn’t get it for you.

Tifa was 100% optional in FFVII and Nomura says they were never supposed to work out. Aeris lives on in Cloud and could come back. TICK TOCK

He also implies Cloud and Aeris would have worked out, I almost forgot about that. HAHAHA this is the guy making the new game.

COPE
COPE COPE

You'll have him for random battles, Sample: H0512, Hundred/Heli Gunner and optionally Motor Ball. But yeah ,we won't see a ton of him I guess.

I was just asking how she knew he was talking about a woman when he never mentioned one you fucking autist, I actually think Cloud and Aeris' relationship was slowly becoming a romantic one before Sephiroth stabbed her, eat shit

>Nomura says they were never supposed to work out
Source?

>slowly becoming a romantic one
>literally fucking flirt all game and her death sends him into a 2 year long depression spiral to the point he'd rather die in her church and be with her than shit around and be with Tifa and her saggy tits

Autism.

>Tifa is optional, it will never work out because Nomura
Cope harder kid. It will still go down like this.

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I think this is basically fair. Forgive my “associate”, I can do nothing

I think I finally get it, I realized why it's so hard to discuss FF7 and primarily the relationship between Cloud, Tifa, and Aerith.

It's because the majority of people out there either haven't played FF7 and only know of it through viewing/experiencing it through other media (KH, AC, etc) or they experienced all of this content prior to playing FF7 somewhat recently and view it's content through the filter of all of this extra content. You have many anons in this thread going into great detail to explain the events of 7, the reasons for these things happening, and the emotional bonds between characters and how they throughout the game. On the other side you have very hard headed anons that cannot stop referencing content that originates from outside of the original FF7 game. This is made somewhat more difficult by the fact that the original game does have some issues with translation errors and certain portions being cut or simply not being presented well and that leads to confusion when viewing these moments through a filter of post FF7 content. In some cases (the highwind scene) you're meant to draw a conclusion as to what happened by being an adult and understanding what they were insinuating, and this is hard for some people.

Fuck me this isn't going to end either because FF7R won't be finished for another 10+ years.

It probably won’t actually. If it even makes it that far in developent. Too hot for current year.

Jessie flirts super hard with Cloud in the remake, harder than anything we saw in the original game. Like she REALLY gets in there.

>muh seph fixation
It's not about that at all, sephi is clouds foil, he was a top shit Mary sue until he found out his true origin and went nuts. I don't have pic but there's that giant snake that sephiroth aces that you find which is meant to show you the difference in power between them. Cloud was a dadless friendless child that was aimlessly larping being a SOLDIER, he beats sephi in part by aeriths sacrifice and in part by acknowledging and accepting who he really is. The rest of the story is pretty blatant shade directed towards the oil and gas industry/industrialisation through environmental destruction and endless consumerism. That's why aerith offers him flowers at the start, her garden is about the only organic thing left in the city, it's juxtaposition. Sephiroth is an unholy combination of nature and science etc. I'm actually surprised people still love this game on this board because of the (lefty) themes in it

I literally make a point to reference stuff in the game and I am not on the side you seem to be placing people on.

The reason it’s hard is just pigheadedness. And people having varying standards on what is canon or not, and points scoring about what kind of evidence happens to appeal to them.

It’s the simplest discussion in the world. He liked both girls, the romances olayed out differently, one is more of match at the startand is tragically cut short, the other is a slow burn which develops over time due to certain plot events connected to the ither girl dying.

>one sided flirting = romance
>already said it was becoming romantic
>still bringing up Tifa against someone who agrees that Cloud/Aeris is canon
are you okay? why are you so mad?

In Tifa's novel, she actually asks Cloud if he loves her and he doesn't answer, but then says he loves Marlene like it's nothing ahahaha

So he doesn't have a problem saying he loves people, he just doesn't love Tifa HAHAHAHAHHAA

Nomura even said Cloud's feelings for Aeris were "undying" as in, he's never going to stop loving her while Cloud's feelings for Tifa were only ever described as a fleeting childhood crush.