Gamers are notoriously bad at consuming media with a thoughtful or critical eye...

>the author’s stated intent matters more than the actual text
Cringe

How don't people notice how political it is? The main characters are eco terrorists

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Thinking about things is for idiots,

OP is most likely underage or one of those shortbus missing link types.

weak bait dude seriously

Literary analysts can fuck right off. You’re like the faggot who told Ray Bradbury he was wrong about his own book.

>Gamers are notoriously bad
L2read

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If Miyazaki came out tomorrow and said Princess Mononoke was about global warming and not Shintoism, what would you say?

Lord of the Rings is actually a satire on the identity politics movement.

>but it was written before identity politics was a thing so the author could never have put that in there
Doesn't matter. says the authors intent doesn't matter. Only what I project onto the work matters.

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"Dumbledore is gay. I always planned it that way."

>wants to unite all worlds into one
>brown mixed race and androgynous
>elite university research intellectual who published hundreds of papers
>scatters his commie knowledge throughout all worlds before the gestapo close in on him
>imperial capitalist King Mickey works behind the scenes meddling in other worlds and orders his CIA spies to search for the “key” while maintaining the “world order” to defeat the shadowy socialist forces
>riku lands in the world with the most unequal distribution of wealth, hollow bastion, against all odds gets out of the ghetto, probably by nefarious means, with no one helping him
>sora lands in a white middle class town with royal friends ready to give him the financial and technological support of an entire imperial kingdom to vanquish the “darkness”
>”those who know nothing can understand nothing” -common language used in intellectual left social circles “woke/unwoke”
>darkness = enlightenment/maturity/change -”darkness is the heart’s true essence”
>light = faith/traditions/control -“believe in the light, and the darkness will never defeat you.”
>”So, you have come this far and still you understand nothing. Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!” -every religion and nation must fade, return to Rousseau’s natural state of man
>enlightened NORTED individuals literally turn brown, acknowledging the colored complexion they had all along they were brainwashed into believing was wrong
>heartless = leftists, blacks, gays, jews, weak, poor -historically oppressed classes uniting against the status quo who only stand a fighting chance in mass numbers
>keyblade = reactionary childish innocence subconsciously supporting capitalist institutions, only temporarily delaying the inevitable
>Xehanort = Lenin

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This is stupid as hell, but the amount of work that has clearly gone into it must be respected

Your take only has value as far as you can substantiate it through thoughtful analysis and citing the text. Go on, user, let’s hear it

>written before identity politics was a thing
user, have you ever opened a history book?

I can’t tell if you’re trying to back me up or argue with me, but jk Rowling is probably the clearest cut case showing that authors should lose ownership of their stories after they finish them

Strange Journey is very political, though it'd be impossible to not notice.
Some say subtlety is universally good but the game's frankness is honestly refreshing. And it fits with the overall forceful/harsh tone of the rest of the game. Shit is rough from start to finish, the demons aren't messing around.

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>death of the author
yikes

Japanese creators are known liars. They expect me to believe that Grave of the Fireflies isn't at all critical of Japanese militarism/jingoism/nationalism despite it being shoved in your face. Obviously wasn't directed by Miyazaki but it was under Ghibli.

The real answer is, the author is the last word on their story. But if an author goes off the deep end, then you stop following that story. Enjoy the stuff that came before and discount the rest.

It's the authors fault if you are driven away based on their actions. It's literally their job to try and keep you glued to the story. So trying to say the author doesn't matter means the story also doesn't matter. We might as well just take any story and alter it to be what we want.

>They expect me to believe that Grave of the Fireflies isn't at all critical of Japanese militarism/jingoism/nationalism despite it being shoved in your face.
I think you mean the people attacking Japan. And yet I still don't think that's the point of the story. That's just the first 10 minutes. The rest of the story is about a stubborn family putting pride and honor above their own lives. They could rewrite the story with Klingons in space and it would work the same way. Meaning the Japanese setting doesn't matter much.

Mass Effect 1 is very political. Of course later the series devolved into retarded identity politics.

Mega Man X4

You forgot the final tier
>not understanding Kingdom Hearts

>DS
>Disc Inside
hold the fuck up

no idea but Earthboung but guessing for Kingdom Hearts it's
>BLACK PEOPLE = BAD
levels of delusion

>the setting doesn't matter much
u wot
The setting is core to the story. It's about two kids trying to survive in war-torn Japan. The audience is constantly reminded of how fucked everything is.

And the in-your-face critiques don't end in the intro. The most obvious example to me is seeing neighborhoods in ruins while a few people are still screaming praise to the Emperor, that's such a harsh satirical contrast it has to be intentional.

What's your point? FFVII will always be a good game and whatever game you're implicitly drawing comparisons to will always be trash

>the story means this because the author says so
>he says something different years later
>stemlordssweating.jpg

>the author is the last word on the story unless I’ve subjectively determined them to have “gone off the deep end”
Based retard

We know FFVII is political you're in an eco-terrorist group

A work citing something doesn't mean its a satire. Empire of the Sun has Japanese soldiers screaming "banzai!" as they're fleeing China. This isn't a satire on Japan being "stupid lololol!" It's a period piece and they had the actors do what the Japanese actually did. This is world building, not plot.

The "plot" of Empire of the Sun was about a boy trying to survive a war. Much like Grave of the Fireflies. In one story, the boy does everything he can to survive. In the other story, the boy puts pride before survival, and dies as a result. You could change the setting and world and still tell the same story.

>the author is the last word on the story unless I’ve subjectively determined them to have “gone off the deep end”
The irony is death of the author is about people subjectively choosing what parts to deem canon and what parts not to. Ignoring the author. So you're literally doing the same thing.

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Hahaha! It's funny because it's disgusting! I love Adult Swim!

That’s not irony. I’m the one saying DOTA exists. You’re the one saying it doesn’t; but then doing it anyway

>what parts to deem canon
Have you ever actually read the essay death of the author?

user you can't just say "pic related" with a pic that's not related to the subject at hand

>Consulting esoteric and obscure mythologies, historical texts, dead languages, theoretical physics and modern technology to understand kingdom hearts
So it's not political in nature and unrelated to the thread.

>dead of the author
Reminds me of that incident I heard about where at a school a text was used that was written by one of the students in class. That very student then got a bad grade for supposedly making a "wrong interpretation" of the text. Remember this anons, a literary teacher's "analysis" has higher credibility than the author's own intent!

Sorry how about pic related instead

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>a bad underpaid literature arts teacher in a shitty public school means the field of literary analysis is false
Ladies and gentlemen, the smartest user in the thread

Avalanche is literally an environmental terrorist organization.

I don't get it, user, there's nothing even closely related to the picture you've posted in this thread! Perhaps you have simply picked the wrong image.

Is your point that FF7 is not political or that gamers don’t realize it’s political? Because you’re wrong on both counts

>"Coal, Oil and also Nulear are actually good if compared to sucking the planet's lifeforce out, so don't worry about something as trivial as 'fossil fuels'!"

Midgar was too extreme of an example to be compared to IRL environmental issues. The game even implies that those random Mako reactors spread around don't actually hurt the environment very much, only around Midgar is everything blackened and barren.

>nuclear
>fossil fuel
Uh user

FF7? Political? Surely there must be another game with the initials "FF7" you are speaking of, because there can simply be no way you're speaking of the 1997 classic "Final Fantasy 7" developed by Japanese studio Square Enix

>Reminds me of that incident I heard about where at a school a text was used that was written by one of the students in class. That very student then got a bad grade for supposedly making a "wrong interpretation" of the text.
user that was a Rodney Dangerfield movie not real life.

there are literally two different towns who got fucked over by the reactors though

it's def not too extreme to be compared... like maybe it's not very complex or thoughtful, but it still is an obvious attempt.

Shrina is BP and the and they destroying the environment to harvest oil I mean mako for energy. The difference between this and say the division 2 FF7 is using parallels in the real world for world building in fictional one. The division is using real world politics to send a message in the real world. It has nothing to do with building a narrative.

that student? his name was albert einstein

Yes it is false, since the anlysis often requires choosing between different meanings of homonyms. For poetics you can use "standards of the era" to back up your claims and that does indeed give it some credibility, but for modern texts that are made in today's age of oversaturated information where distinct "styles" can no longer be traced back due to the unpredictable influence of the internet, I doubt anything meaningful can be understood unless the author follows a distinct idea/ideology of an organsiation/faction of some kind that can be analysed. If that doesn't work then you are out of luck any "literary evaluation" is basically fraud because the "expert" refuses to admit that the analysis just isn't possible with the provided information.

And that teacher? Literally Hitler.

Final Fantasy VII is "deep" symbolism for literally everything. Because someone out there has projected every possible analysis and opinion onto it. I've even heard idiots who say FFVII is a retelling Nausicaa or a deconstruction of Blade Runner. And having said that, I bet you anything some idiot in this thread will think about those two dumb possibilities I just brought up and agree with them.

This is precisely why SquareEnix is remaking this game. Because the fanbase is that obsessed. And no matter how much they fuck it up, the fanbase will come up with some explanation why it's "deep" and "justified."

Counter Strike.

None of these are "vital to the planet". Climate Change is completely out because that wasn't really an issue at the time and it doesn't kill the planet anyway.

>When in reality, Miyazaki was trying to get people to remember Shintoism, not the wildlife.
So it is political then, it's just about religion rather than the environment?

you are delusional as fuck. miyazaki is basically a crazy left-wing old man who cleans the forest near his house alone.

>religion is political
Only when government or a politician uses it. Japan isn't using Shintoism to push a political agenda. And Miyazaki wasn't pushing a political agenda with his movie.

>you are delusional as fuck.
>I heard rumors about Miyazaki and I'm gonna parrot them to support my point

>Only when government or a politician uses it

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>I heard rumors about Miyazaki and I'm gonna parrot them to support my point
projection
it's well known that he's a leftist who also protests against nuclear energy and such. he barely cares about shinto in general.

that is only a very small part of the story the rest is about magic aliens and shit. it's really not political at all.

>he barely cares about shinto in general.
>literally made an entire movie about a world populated by Shinto gods because he felt his granddaughters generation was "forgetting the roots of what it is to be Japanese"

>source: my ass

>The main characters are eco terrorists
No, he's not. The first thing he says in the whole game is telling Barret he doesn't care about his political beliefs, he just wants to get paid.

Cloud is a hired mercenary. Barret is the eco terrorists. And the game even forgets this part halfway through Disk 1.