Why do people say the combat is bad when it has the most fluid dodging of any game ever...

Why do people say the combat is bad when it has the most fluid dodging of any game ever? Very few games have dodging that feels more responsive.

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are the dogdes in this better than 2? I'm playing through it for the first time right now and they feel like crap

Because its not Dark Souls. If it doesn't have the most precise Invincibility frames possible, its shit tier to these people.

It's a meme. They had to find something to criticize the game so they randomly chose this, because it's the less ridiculous sounding critic you can make about it. Anything else and you just look like an idiot because it's the game of the decade for a reason.

>it has the most fluid dodging of any game ever

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Drastically.
For starters, it has actually dodges. Not a roll, just dodge. The roll is now a separate option - dodges are more useful against human or smaller enemies, as it does not take you out of strike distance, while role is mostly for bigger monsters, or when you really need to get out of a crowded situation.

I would not say that it's the most fluent dodge system in the world, and the combat in TW3 has several quite major issues, but in terms of controls, it is miles ahead of TW2.

In general, combat in TW3 is MOSTLY OK, but occassionally spazes out, and more importantly, it has a variety of a 20 hour game stretched over a 100+ hours of content, which means sooner or later, you will get bored of it.

fair enough. despite it being buggy as all hell I've been enjoying the game quite a bit but the combat feels clunky. I'm looking forward to getting around to 3

Combat in TW2 is clunky as all hell. What is interesting and fun about it are traps, bombs and use of signs other then Quen. If you think your combat encounter through ahead, and actually employ strategy, it can DRASTICALLY improve the combat.
Sadly, TW3, while polishing the combat a lot, lost a fair bit of this strategic element.

>DONT YOU DARE TALK SHIT ABOUT MUH CASUAL AAA MOVIESHIT!

Popular opinion is always wrong, without exception, because the vast majority of "people" are mindless fucking animals.

You are part of the same kind of "people" who always have to watch the latest capeshit hollywood garbage, listen to black guy fast-talk "music," and line up every day to buy mcdonald's.

Just mindless consumer animals, eating up garbage. This is nothing new.

I think it's mostly console plebs who were stuck with the 30fps cap. Well that and dark souls fanboys.

Imagine being a DS faggot. So deluded about your weebshit that you unironically think your shitty, clunky game has better mechanics than this game. yikes!

>YOU JUST HATE IT BECAUSE ITS POPULAR!
What a fucking brainlet argument. You are the definition of a mindless consumer.

how about you stop playing like a faggot.

>with certain skills and builds
Then don't main Quen?

how about you stop being a faggot

Dodging is what you do at all times never roll

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>t.actual brainlet contrarianfag
>t.plays on movie mode
>bitches about ez game

No dice.

popular game bad

>Don't main the only good build in the game

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I rolled against the sweeping attacks, or when I was cornered and needed some breathing air.
That said, I have a friend who actually somehow did not realize dodging is a thing in the game and went through all of it just rolling like a retard (or like Geralt in TW2, I guess).

It's good to get accustomed to dodging early into the game. Roll seems easier at first, but man it makes the combat far more tedious.

>POPULAR GAME GOOD

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it's not bad i just found it to be boring and usually way too easy even on the hardest mode. The best combat was in the expansions and the vampires were pretty good though.

Because it isn't challenging at all and therefore boring. The higher digficulties just increase the numbers which you can negate by using potions and applying oils.

Third Person Action RPG fantasy combat yes, the best first person action fantasy RPG is Dark Messiah of Might&Magic, the best tactical top down combat is Divinity:Original Sin 2 and the best first person tactical combat is Wizardry 8.

The people complaining play with a mouse and keyboard. It's fluid enough with a controller.

>game is too easy when you use this route
>do something else
>BUH WHWUW MUHH WHW BUBBBUHHH I CAN'T DO THAT WHWHWHWHWHBDHDHDH
Save yourself the trouble and slit your wrists, you smooth brained simian. Take your parents out with you too for spawning a parasite with an IQ of an orange.

>muh difficulty
Not every game needs to have imposible twitchbait combat. That's not what this game is about. It's about story and atmosphere.

seethe harder

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>make a thread about combat
>the combat isn't difficult
>combat doesn't matter
???

How the fuck is ciri’s dodging so much more powerful and swift. Does Geralt even have any advantage over her combat wise?

That is because in the expansions, they focused a LOT on introducing new enemies with unique attack patterns.
The real MAJOR problem of TW3's combat is that it in reality, it has only like eight enemy types, that just have fourty different skins. Fight the Gryphon, you fought all Wyverns, Forktails and god know what winged large enemies. Fought the ghouls? You foud all fucking medium-sized ground enemies. And so on.

Just introducing more variety into enemy attack patterns does absolute marvels for the combat. Proof that sometimes, the controls/combat ruleset itself is not all that matters.

Compared to Dragon's Dogma combat, TW3 is shit, on it's own it's just medicore, it's doing it's job for what it is to push you to another story line/quest.
Combat in TW2 was utter crap.

>combat doesn't matter
It doesn't. Still GOTD. Seethe harder.

No, her sequences are literally just the equivalent of turret segment in shooters: basically short super-power fantasy segment.
It makes no sense lore-wise, I know.

I honestly enjoy the human fights the most, they gang up on you and always have their shields up, you have to do the most dodging and quick slashing.

This game has the most logical targeting ever. Seems like Geralt always targets the enemy I intend to and I don’t have to do it myself.

But combat is excactly what this thread is about, you idiot.

Ok but Dragon's Dogma BETTER atleast be good at combat, because everything else about the game is subpar. Combat saved it

>How the fuck is ciri’s dodging so much more powerful and swift. Does Geralt even have any advantage over her combat wise?
Because she has actual magical powers. Geralt's signs are not even entry level magic but far below it. his only advantage is swordsmanship.

It's impossible to find a real flaw to that game so they attack it on its weakest aspect.
Doesn't change anything to the fact that there isn't an open world fantasy RPG with a better combat system so the argument has no value.

Thread doesn't matter. Keep seething, or better yet, try to name a game with better combat. That's always good for a laugh.

scenery makes this game. Woods, roads, fields, weather etc Combat is ok but far from perfect, plot is utter garbage and cutscenes are unwatchable. Quests are all the same. All of this doesn't matter. My brother finished the whole game with expansions like 6 times and he didn't even play with the highest difficulty and level scaling. He didn't care about killing bosses in 10 seconds. He didn't care about killing all monsters with one igni and two swings of a sword. All he cared about was immersion into the world. And i understood this when i started playing. In that aspect Witcher 3 is the best game ever.

can't prove me wrong

>there isn't an open world fantasy RPG with a better combat system
Wrong. Final Fantasy 13 opens up at the end

This. Witcher 3 is a lesson in game kino.

Combat is bad. Even if you're not locked on, it softlocks you into floating towards an enemy, and because it pulls from a random pull of moves (for instance, a stab vs a swing on an approach), you don't know how fast a left click will come out until you see the animation.

It's not shit, but it's certainly not good.

There isn’t an open world game period with a better combat system.

I didn't understand it either. I had similar thoughts until I figured out how the parry worked and then every fight looked like a fluid dance. I get what you mean about the dodging because its so responsive. Almost frame accurate as far as I can tell.

lmao

I mostly did enjoy them too. But there is one more issue I have with the combat system that really needs to be mentioned.

Now: it is really obvious they REALLY took the criticisms about the first games combat to heart, and really put a lot of conscious effort into fixing what was the main problem: too much homing and too long attack animations making the player feel like he has little or no control over what Geralt does and how it moves (a.k.a. the poor Banham clone syndrom). They fixed the animations, made them much shorter, removed most of the homing, made Geralt walk instead of running, introduced the dodge for even more precise positioning... for about 90% of all the animations.

But every about one out of ten animation feels like it was just left-over from TW2 and has Geralt FLYING sometimes good three meters towards an enemy. Combined with the really bad auto-targeting and this can completely break the flow of the combat.

Geralt behaves, you have a tight control, you dance neatly around the enemies, then suddenly Geralt lunges himself four meters to the right to attack an enemy that isn't even there.

It's not frequent enough to make the combat really grating, but is frequent enough to annoy. Ciri is even worse in this respect.

Wait, you can parry in this game

>enter a thread discussing topic X
>X doesn't matter
>the thread doesn't matter
Why do you even bother posting in this thread then?
DMC games
Souls games
God Hand
Bayonetta
all have better combat

>locking on
>ever

Found your problem, the soft lock IS the lockon as far as I played.

its too easy

I still loved the game and expansions and have a couple hundred hours sunk on TW3, but when then final boss on the main campaign only takes a couple tries to beat on the hardest difficulty it kind takes away from the badassery.

LMAO

Yes, I legitimately agreed with "the combat is shit" argument until I started plating with parries. Against humans they stun them an allow you to do a finisher, or with monsters it automatically ripostes and gives them a light attack that interrupts their attack. You know how drowners swarm you and absolutely rekt your shit? Parry them and suddenly you're slicing through groups of 20 if you time ti right.

>POPULAR GAME BAD

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Because it’s an easy game. Just master that bubble move and you can’t die

Her magic capabilities are so powerful it makes Geralt's magic look pathetic.

I would neither say it's the SOLE appeal of the game, nor that it is the best game ever in this respect, but I think there is quite a lot to it, if we remove the hyperbole.

The writing is hit and miss, and the combat garbage relative to other TW games, but it is still way above the standards for the industry. At it's worst moments it's better than Bioware's RPG post Baldur were at their finest.
The quests are mechanically dull, but many of them revolve around interesting and at times well written side-stories and characters. In general, the emphasis on likable and interesting characters is still present, even if the main plot shits it's pants towards the final act: it's just difficult not to get attached to characters involving the Baron's quest, or that crazy siblings from Skellige, or to enjoy that drinking scene in Kaer Morhen.

So yes: the scenery and world are extremely well realized. And one of the absolute main appeals of the game. But it's not the only appeal. And I think there are games that if not surpass it, at least are on par. Pathologic, Morrowind, Gothic or the recent KC:D pops into mind.

The way the land rises and falls, how the hills and lakes are, I can't describe why but it felt like they put a lot of effort into making the terrain feel alive and organic.

sword combat is by far the worst part of this otherwise excellent game, the way it looks, the way the story and dialogue are written, the art design, the story progression, crafting and alchemy the preparation for encounters, all superb, but the combat and the retarded bam ham detective vision, these two segments hold the game down

the combat is clunky, some monsters glitch out, it's inconsistent, parry doesn't work with some monsters at all

>*The writing is hit and miss, and the PLOT garbage relative to other TW games
Fuck me, that would create some confusion.

I always find it hilarious when NPCs copy memes and spit them out into an even more soulless version. That's all you can do. Copy. You have no originality. You aren't even a real person.

this
same shit theyre trying for cp2077
first its the sun then its the world and now they come back to shit on the combat
some people here hate cdpr with a passion for whatever reason

that's the thing is that you can 'make' the combat fun, or you can just go the easiest route and spam the bubble

>OH NO THEY ARE TOTALLY OUT TO GET OUR BASED AAA MOVIE GAMES!
drink arsenide.

>some people here hate cdpr with a passion for whatever reason
They don't hate it, in fact CDPR itself is absolutely irrelevant to them. They just need to be edgy. And this is the only way they can form anything that would resemble an identity.

ehhh, it's good, but it's no game of the decade, bloodborne shits all over it when it comes to pure gameplay, witcher 3 isn't fucking close, rdr2 has a better looking and more realized (immersive) world, even breath of the wild is superior

witcher 3 is good, not breath of the wild and bloodborne good tho

Imagine thinking you are woke for posting a dead npc meme and then calling NPC the person who mocked you in the first place.

Get a load of this retard

This post is ironic, considering the sorry excuse you have for an "identity" is made up of jumping on the latest most popular bandwagons.

Imagine being a faggot
Oh wait you don't have to imagine, you live it LMAO

Every reviewer and award disagrees with you

How exactly do you argue I am "jumping on the latest most popular bandwagon?"

>POPULAR GAME GOOD
>ANYONE WHO DISAGREES IS JUST BEING EDGY
Unless you have a better argument, you can't prove me wrong.

who gives a fuck about what game journalists think dumbfuck? besides, I never said the game is shit or bad, the adjective 'good' is said 2 times in my original post, but any sane person can compare the witcher to bloodborne or breath of the wild and see that those two games blow it out of the fucking water, purely from a gameplay standpoint, both are more fun to play

RDR2 does not have more immersive world, or better realized. RDR2 is - like every rockstar game since probably Bully, just insanely overproduced.
As for the rest of the post, you are obviously wrong because the game of the decade is actually Pathologic 2.

>who gives a fuck about what game journalists think dumbfuck?
Hmm who should we all trust, professionals whose job it is to review video games, or one angry user who disagrees with what everyone else thinks?

>Unless you have a better argument, you can't prove me wrong.
Well, for starters
These are some of my posts. Plenty of criticisms towards the game in them. So where do you get the
>POPULAR GAME GOOD
From exactly again?

you do realize breath of the wild has a higher metacritic score than witcher 3? I mean you do understand that you dumb piece of shit? you can't be that fucking dumb can you?

Notice I didn't respond to any of those posts because I don't have anything bad to say about them. You present your thoughts on the matter in a sensible manner.

Unfortunately, those posts have nothing to do with what you and I are talking about.

>trusting metacritic bots

>metacritic
Oh no, it's retarded...

>Someone likes it?
>Means it has to be bad

Ya, sounds like Yea Forums alright. Neck yourself, shithead. Your tastes are just as shit as everyone else. Fucking edgelord.

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Well sometimes you can't have the fun just spoonfed to you.

>Unfortunately, those posts have nothing to do with what you and I are talking about.
Except you know, the game? And your unsubstantiated and frankly idiotic reposts of dull ancient baits about what people think about it?

My experience was that "dodging" just meant I spammed the "swooce on rollerskates" button and nothing could touch me.

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Going from Sekiro to Witcher 3 was kinda painful

>metacritic
You do realize nintendo fans spam good reviews for all their exclusives? They even go so far as to make dozens of fake accounts.

not the user score you fucking dolt, the aggregated reviewer scores, jesus fuck you're one dumb fucking monkey

fucking blow me, show me one gaming site that gave breath of the wild a LOWER score than they gave the witcher 3

What the fuck are you talking about?
Anyways.

>POPULAR GAME GOOD
>ANYONE WHO DISAGREES IS EDGY
I rest my case.

seething

not the fucking user score you complete imbecile, holy fucking christ on a cross how low IQ are you mongs

What wrong dude, you mad? You mad? You mad? You mad?

Why you mad?

You mad? You mad? You mad?
Hahaha.

do these fucking zoomers not understand how metacritic works? kek

seething metacritic drone

>professionals whose job it is to review video games
They haven't been doing that since 2004.

>trusting game journalists
lmao

maybe I am brainlet but I could never figure out which attack animation geralt was going to use. even if you just mash the fast button he would still sometimes do some slow ass attack that leaves you open forever. it was better to just get the skill that let you hold m1 and spin2win than try to fight like you were supposed to.

Agreed. This game excels in every single area, so they had to pick the absolute most basic thing to criticize.

wow just wow, again friendo, the original argument started when one low iq monkey-user said my opinion about how witcher 3 sucks donkey dick compared to bloodborne or breath of the wild doesn't matter because gaming sites and reviewers don't think so - then I pointed out how breath of the wild has a higher metacritic score (not the user score but the aggregate selected gaming sites score) than witcher 3

This. This "game" excels at being a movie game. They won't criticize that except they already had and you keep ignoring it.

Didn't read this whole post but I can tell you're seething lmao

ah yes, the core gameplay sucks ass, what a irrelevant thing to gripe about, truly a mere nitpick

Trolled epic style xDD

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'this whole post' is like 3 sentences it can be read in 10 seconds you complete asswipe low iq fucktard, lmao jesus christ did mommy drop you on your head when you were a babby, what a dumb bitch she was, must be reason you're such a dummy too

seething :)

It’s pretty good. I liked it. It’s not the pinnacle of combat, and the dodging is a little janky compared to other games (particularly those closer to action games), but it’s a good game. You can like multiple styles of games for multiple reasons. TW3 is a good role playing game, and just because it doesn’t play like baldurs gate, ultima, dragons dogma, or dmc doesn’t mean it’s bad on every front. All of these games have their strengths, and what makes them fun is how they come together.
In conclusion have sex

You sound way more retarded than him. It's like reading a leftist meme with so much text and so little substance

Nah, the Witcher 3 is pretty good and not super movie like past like 1/6 of its content. Most of it is role playing as the type of hexer/Witcher you would be in the world. Dunno why it gets so much hate.

I do miss the first game’s potion system, as it really made you feel like a hunter and potionsmaster who had to pull out all stops to get the job done properly

I didnt get bored and I finished the game in one sitting

This is going to sound extremely casual, but the older I get, the less I care about really great gameplay and the more I care about worldbuilding and immersion and just general atmosphere. I’ve played a lot of games with solid gameplay and it just doesn’t excite me much anymore to play another challenging shooter, platformer or beat em up. I know go to games mostly just for immersion and confiness, a game like W3 is one I can just be absorbed in for a long time.

Same here. Boomers do develop better tastes.

That's because they did. This is a long vid that goes into great detail about the environments but worth a watch imo.

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What is underrated about this game are the controls. This game just feels a lot more convenient and quick to go around in and loot stuff than other games. Almost every action in this game is pretty easy and quick whereas in most others it’s more clumsy. Geralt moves at a very brisk pace when just holding the analog stick up and looting is like two presses of the A button. Really quick equipping interface too.

I can SORTA relate, but only sorta. I have discovered the older I get, the more I care about either one, or the other, but being REALLY well developed. I mean it really, really has to be fucking amazing, either narrative-wise, or gameplay wise: I am just sick of the mediocrity.
I just can't fucking deal with another TLOU or another fucking AssCreed or any other game that sorta kinda tries to make a good story bud ends up being bland clumsy rip-off of hollywood, and has kinda sorta OK gameplay but nothing about it is actually really fucking interesting.

That just pisses me off.

I can take Factorio. And I can take Cryostasis. But I'm just sick of mediocrity.

Pathologic 2 really threw a fucking curve-ball at me though, but that game ended up actually blending both.