What went wrong?

MOBA is a mexican genre
mexicans can't afford a pay2play game
they have no more than 4 dollars of income to expend at a time
but mexicans will gladly download free to play games and spend money on in game purchases because they're dumb beaners
/thread

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graphics were trash

dota2 came out

I hate to use the word "toxic" because its faggy, but HoN really did have some pretty fucking brutally shitty people, and detracted a lot of newer players I'm sure

and Fortnite ? how stupid are you

of course it'd be someone slinging LoL lingo complaining about HoN players
a decade on and you haven't gotten one ounce less faggy

It was the neckbeard MOBA.

It was the only game I've ever played where the playerbase literally did not want new players. The amount of flaming you'd get for being a noob was unreal. Unless you had a friend teaching you how to play there was no way you would stick it out through 100+ games of you being the weak link and all your teammates being quite open about how it's your fault that your team lost.

They tried to compete with league of legends and by doing so they fucked their game over hard.

League is a clusterfuck of balance at that time, you could play anything you want in any lane because the game was a mess, but because it was f2p it was more successful

But then they copy pasted league's hero buying system from LOL, but all that did was fuck over the game because you cant have an entire roster of carries as your f2p rotation

Pay to play. It was genuinely a great successor to dota, but you had to pay for it and league was F2P, no way HoN could compete.

MOBAs in general are for faggots
Glass houses user

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lol was free, s2 insisted on selling their game, it was more popular at the start. Dota 2 came around 2-3 years after and absorbed everyone by having a superior pay model, superior graphics, icefrog and valve. Also S2's hero design really started going to shit around the time of nomad, being a bunch of samey pubstar heroes with no interesting features while DotA always managed to put out heroes with something that made them special.

also the servers got DDOSed the shit out of

you're a retard who plays f2p games for huehues, that's what

pretty much, but fuck LoL in particular for spawning the word toxic

I don't really think Dota 2 looked better.

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Never touched it since like 2012, but I actually loved that one back then. It has better mechanics than DotA2.

every new patch a new cancer is born.
I stopped playing after they added Benzington.

They decided it wouldn't be f2p after beta, and a lot of people moved to other mobas.

fortnite is zoomer core, not mexican core
get with the times pablo

whatever happened to their other moba?

>S2
user....

>mfw they added Cthuluthant

It was the beginning of the end

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man I wish Steam will buy Fayde/Nomad from them. they were such fun heroes to play

>tfw no drogo to fuck u in the butt

Fuck nomad and fuck fucking monkey king, fuck off you fuck.

Anime poster is retarded, what else is new

It did. It had better models, better clarity, a less "wc3 map editor" map and no bloom out the ass. Plus all the extra detail like 20 minutes of voice lines and haste/injured animations.

Dumb as fuck business decisions. Couldn't complete with lol and dota2. Sad to see such a great game go.

t. mexican

>mexicans cant be zoomer

imagine being this stupid

*Reaches level 6*

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The monkey on the cover was a big "No!" for me.

fuck you faggot I bet you got snowballed by a 1800 Nomad player

What's the current state of Dota 2?

How is that new Mars guy?

mexicans aren't human so they can't b zoomer

>electrician and maliken in dota 2
I would reinstall that game in a flash if they did that

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Every fucking time goddamnit stop making these fucking pubstar heroes they suck and they're boring and every time some retard feeds them anyway and you lose.

youtu.be/UExaWwsPnBc

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Went pay to play when League went F2P. Seriously, if HoN had went F2P from the start, League would be dead.

Skeleton king is no longer a skeleton. What more do you need to know?

no fapbait waifus

Electrician is just stormspirit.

lol i bet you never made it past the 1600 bracket

>t.

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It's not as casual as League and doesn't have the name brand of dotA; its like a weird step child that kind of got forgotten

>thinks rating matters worth jack
Got up to ~1800 with my friends carrying my ass, you never stop running into retards.

>storm and Terrorblade in dota
I would reinstall that game in a flash if they did that

you're thinking of the magnet cunt

>cant make an argument calls ppl not human insults spergs out

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Awful devs
Maliken called me a nigger
Died when it went F2P with the early access hero bullshit for people that bought the game
Skins are shit

League became popular for many reasons, not just because HON was buy 2 play.

League has always been shit though, but Riot was all about underhanded marketing tactics early on, such as the dota-allstars sellout, and No more DOTA campaign.

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>Maliken called me a nigger

Proof

>t.
>36% Dampeer
>19% Fayde
>15% Night Hound
>10% Swiftblade
>7% Thunderbringer

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>Maliken called me a nigger
based

If I could just add in the gay announcer pack to dota 2 i'd be happy
>UNICORN STAMPEED
>YAAAAAAAAAAAY

*buys portal key*

youtube.com/watch?v=SikOcLpvHuQ

>kingraven deleted his videos
it hurts every day bros

dota design is garbage

>FABULOUS

Dr repulsor is a carbon copy of storm and is not even close to the Chad electrician is

this game had the best community

he called everyone a nigger and theres plenty of screenshots of those

>ITS A THREE WAY

This game had the most toxic, angry community ever and I miss it. It made Dota and league communities look like Mario kart. Nowadays you just say the word fag in games and you get banned. Just let people talk shit.

S2 didn’t help at all with the lowest mmr player always being known because of their color, literal trash cans falling on player taunts, the ceo calling people niggers, it was fun.

youtube.com/watch?v=b2BbaLbsQbA

>icefrog
You say that as if it was a positive

Slander! He never called me a nigger.

>toxic
It was great, so much shittalking, the post-game trashtalk would sometimes last longer than the games themselves
I loved it

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BRAZIL
HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

it is, under his supervision dota became something more than just a shitty budget custom map, which is why S2 tried to recruit him

>entire appeal is that it’s more faithful to dota than lol
>dota 2 happens

It was never going to survive

reminder s2 quit HoN and made Strife, hahahaha

I missed my surrender vote button when I played dota 2

3.0 when they decided to adopt the league of legends f2p model despite the fact everyone already paid for the fucking game and now had to buy heroes.

On top of that the first 2 rotations were retarded as fuck, since they gave you 3 randomized heroes of each primary stat and not 3 randomized heroes based on their role, and the first 2 weeks were nothing but carries, then nothing but supports.

I don't know what the fuck it is with Monkey King, but Monkey King in mobas always spells fucking doom for the game.

>Jiggle_Billy deleted his videos as well
>Then he uploaded some fucking weird videos
Feels Bad Man
youtube.com/watch?v=bLHfXxQDrlk
HoN was more faitful to Dota 1 than Dota 2 is, especially with the state of current dota2

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Reminder Hi-Rez quit Tribes: Ascend to make Smite.

Everyone in the early 2010s wanted their own League clone.

f2p is what ruined it

>Gender swap skins

This is brilliant.
Why didn't Riot and Valve make any?

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Bullshit is it

The way they implemented F2P is what ruined it.

The League of Legends hero rotation model doesn't work in a game like HON, league at the time was an utter clusterfuck and you could play any hero in any lane, HON didn't work that way as the map wasn't symmetrical.

the skins and art direction in general was absolute dogshit

>tfw you make fun of the guy in charge and the image you made somehow gets displayed on the projector in their conference meeting with the company's top brass, infuriating the guy beyond belief
Reminder they let people with no work experience or having only worked at WAL-MART prior to in charge.

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I remember

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DOTA 2 in its current state is a mess.
>3 min dagon memes
>8 minute rapier memes
>not even fed

I honestly wish that they implemented easymode for DOTA 2 at launch just so people have a reference of how shitty dota 2 can be when you have too much early gold, now half the roster has either been made obsolete, or been completely reworked into a scaling teamfighter because DOTA 2 no longer has an early and mid game, since carries can get core items sub 20 minutes and you can't shut them down with good ganking anymore since they can just farm a stacked jungle freely since each side of the jungle has 9 creep camps, 2 of which are easy to stack and nerfed ancients.

they shouldve just had it on steam and go real F2p fucking jew cucks.

Savage 2: A Tortured Soul was awesome and ahead of its time

That’s right, it was orange and brown players who had the lowest mmr on the teams,so if they went mid or carry immediately the teams spirit would be broken and the hate would flow. Gooood times

Did they ever add a backpack like dota2 did or do you still have to carry your own courier around? I miss some of the heroes, salforis, electrician, silhouette, chipper and deadwood were all super fun, on the bad side a lot of heroes were fucking boring and terrible like draconis and the steam punk faggot that flies, basically the same hero.

You had to share your courier yes.

Everyone has a personal courier now which can't be targeted or killed, saved a bunch of griefing and drama

I still got a permaban to HoN forums, good times. Called Maliken fat and retarded so many times, also had a signature about Idejer that took so long for them to take down.

Our highschool playgroup also forced them to patch the game after we started spreading an item dupe glitch on their forums with alt accounts.

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>Actual good skins
>Gender swap skins
>skins
Fuck off sheep

>can't kill courier

Since when and why?

>your teammate first picks scout

>buys one manatube

Been playing since early Allstars, game is in a great state. Mars is fun.

The downfall was a mixture of two different things.
First one was the change in general design. Initially it was supposed to be just Dota with better engine. But when Valve announced Dota2 with Icefrog on board, they got a sudden need to be different and given their general incompetence it didn't work out.
Second one was the monetization schemes being conflicting the general design. The game was essentially designed to be single purchase game, but when they saw LoL's success they felt the need to ape it and it was horrible. The hero design had hard counters unlike LoL, so free-to-play with hero rotation didn't work at all.

Why not just add a backpack then?

Cause it was always a argument about who should upgrade courier, and whose turn it is to use it
not sure what that is, but everyone has a personal courier which flies stuff out to you now

backpack is 3 extra slots where item stats and effects are disabled, it's like the hero has a built in stash

>He didn't pick Scout
Scout was that one great hero everyone thought was shit because noobs picked it and played it horribly, I had many succesful games with him on short carry lane, suicide role, and even jungle

HoN has a similar thing but you can place wards/potions/dust basically consumables, in a 2slot bag

So many people kept playing scout as a shitty gondar, when in reality
>FREE WARDS
>AOE SILENCE
>EARLY INVIS
>DISARM
He was an amazing ganker that scaled into a late game carry, but everyone just built cleaver on him and farmed creeps then got shut down by CCs late game because the enemy team could freely buy wards and they didn't know how to use eyes to deward

Alright, that's good enough.

Scout as suicide was the shit
>Blocking enemy jungle camps with hard to reach and hard to find wards
>Can pull enemy lane creeps through the jungle to fuck the farm of enemy carry, pop invis or a silence if they try to counter you
>Disarm the carry trying to lasthit a creep
>Can easily go and help mid for a gank

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I'd want Puppet Master in Dota 2, he was great to play.

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they never polished it and DotA 2 was basically what HoN could have ended up being, but never was.

I want Dampeer, Gemini (Brew doesn't feel the same, neither does Meepo) and Solstice, it's the only reason why I reinstalled HoN last month and played a few games because it has some of my favorite heroes in any MOBA, but they're trapped in a shit game unfortunately

Scout was fucking insane if you played him well, one of the worst cunts to play against.

Glitches truly were the best thing about the game
>legionnaire charge bug
>item/courier dupe glitch
>gemini

Sadly we'll never get something like scout in DOTA 2 because free ward heroes have almost all been reworked the only one that still exists is Treant.

Also Dota 2 wards are pretty much free these days

enchantress telefrags in dota 2 were nice

>he thinks everyone on the internet is a human
purrfect

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TA traps, Techies mines, Beastmaster hawk, and Arc Warden wraiths still give vision.

s2 just couldn't catch a break

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They had every opportunity.

Based Salem.

Yeah, Salem was great and so was the show. Currently watching it and it aged rather well.

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Both live action and cartoon are top tier desu.

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S2 had the opportunity to be the biggest, but they squandered it

Nice, have it all downloaded so I'll check the cartoon as well once I'm done with the main show.

Dota2
Later heroes Beeing gimmicky and ruining the artstyle with gookshit

HoN was comfy and it was way faster than Dota.
Pesti played realy nice, even if he's just a slardar clone.
I also realy liked myrmadon or what he was called, nice ganker
Gauntlet had some cool ideas.
HoN had some really good ideas... But too bad

Too bad it's me, blacksmith

The game was just too janky and never got polished like Dota 2 was from the start or what Riot later did with LoL, even though that killed what personality it had and turned it into generic anime bait.

i don't know it was pretty good engine and mechanics when dota 2 tried to be a copypasta from war3, it might be better now but at the release i found dota being really bad and boring + aestethic where awful to me

I didn't mind the aesthetics and the game's really polished and always have been from what I remember (started in late 2012 when I got into the closed beta).

Dota 2 feels like playing underwater compared to HoN, everything is so slow, everything feels like playing on 20 fps in comparison, the turnrate on certain heroes feels like it takes 3 seconds for them to make a full turn etc

monkey on cover art

>S2 games closed it's doors
>Kongor has been slain

yeah i played dota since 1962, i did not found dota 2 really innovative.

>Monkey king shift queue bugs
>throw enemy in to the air and then you hear a very loud YAHOOOOOOO because MK uses the jump like 10k times

youtu.be/RjhCoJKSsCM

Sounds too much like Newark.