DUDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH LMAO

Yeah but one weapon per playthrough is just more replay value. I've played an stupid amount but I still haven't done a Kirkhammer run or a Tonitrus build. Someday I will.

There is no catholic church in bloodborne you mong

Yes but there's catholic imagery.

name ONE thing the catholic church did that was good

only supreme gentlemen understand this game

this but unironically

>name ONE thing the catholic church did that was good
Created western civilization

m'bloodborne

Such as?

prevented europe from becoming a caliphate for hundreds of years like it is now

It's funny that Yea Forums sees the souls games as normie games nowadays

The Pieta.

The game also obssesses with "communion" and rituals and we all know Catholics are pretty fixated on that ritual and rituals in general.

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>western civilization
>good

>70% of nobel prize scientists were Christian
>Church scholars were the most renowned scientists and keepers of knowledge in medieval history
>the church was the leading charitable authority before public charities were a thing
>the church built a culture of spirituality and morality that lead to building the modern western society we know today
>lower suicide rates among the religious in modern society who regularly attend church

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bloodborne and dark souls 3 are both anti-catholic games and nobody even notices it

Invent champagne

Not what western civilization has devolved *into,* you dense penguin

Best girl is from the crazed church.

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It's not anti-catholic at all. It's just a Japanese guy who's pointing out how weird some of it's beliefs are. Catholics basically meme about committing acts of cannibalism towards their version of Buddha. I'm sure it's very weird to a Japanese guy.

>Catholic

It's a Lovecraft Cult mixed with Shintoism, it has nothing to do with Catholicism beyond the Western Architecture.

imagine thinking that suffering is better than nothing

>it has nothing to do with Catholicism beyond the Western Architecture.
Wrong. The game is clearly making connections between christian communion "symbolically drink the blood of christ" and blood communion "drinking special blood sourced from a cosmic deity"

Sekiro made it pretty blunt that all From's Prior religions were just Buddhist Shintoism in Westernized Imagery. Course you didn't even need to play Sekiro to get that it's a Japanese Interpretation of Western Lit and Art.

The Deep subplot and Aldrich's Cathedral has very clear parallels to the Catholic Church and Anri's backstory of abuse within his Church is allegorical to the child sexual abuse crisis in the Vatican

Yeah but it's not anti catholic. It just has evil pseudo-catholics in it.

MALEDICTUS

I got to the first werewolf fight and turned it off. This is what passes for a great? A tall lanky mute Brit karate chopping a wolfman covered in blood?

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Some people believe that modern civilization is in part thanks to the draconian laws enforced and/or inspired by the Catholic church, which caused genes that correlate with criminality to be gradually selected against, causing the monumental drop in homicide that began in the 1300s in England, Germany and Switzerland, 1400s in Benelux and Scandinavia, and 1500s in Italy.

Of course, there are other contributing factors; I'm not a cheerleader for the Catholic church; they didn't do this on purpose. However, while not the Catholic church specifically, there is a correlation in Europe between the onset of Christianity and a country's scientific achievements per capita (.22), drop in homicide (.25) and current Human Development Index score (.31).

>didn't even give the game ten minutes
Weak bait man

You are missing how much Shintoism also puts emphasis on Blood Rituals, especially in the idea that using impure blood only spreads further impurity. The Communion is clearly a reference, but the act of Blood Ministration is far more rooted in Shinto Beliefs and Fears.

>Incredible lore and worldbuilding
>worst in the series outside seikero
?

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Neither of those are exclusive just to the Catholic Church, and The Deep is straight up a mirror of Shinto's Fear of the contamination of Sacred areas by Kagare.

From has some truly dogshit animators. Why does the character stand and run like a mannequin with a plank up his ass?

Yeah. It's a Japanese guy filtering Catholicism through Japanese Buddhism [Basically Shinto Buddhism]

t. 0 insight

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It is though, all these games are non-stop action with a minimalist story you can just outright ignore if you like

You see that place? Let's experiment on them and burn them down later.
Oh, that village? Let's massacre all of them and also experiment with their god.

Borrowing imagery doesn't make it a direct reference or any commentary. See Neon Genesis

user, there's fucking Gregorian chants in the BGM and the game has a major plot element relating to "communion"

To deny Bloodborne has Catholic themes is to be retarded as a motherfucker. Even the Chalices themselves could be considered to be related to the Catholic themes.

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hail hit-friends

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not him, but BB's lore imo is 10x more interesting and engaging than all 3 souls games combined. im not a lorefag in any sense whatsoever, but genuinely wanted to uncover everything about BB's world

humans are apes and need a framework to force them to behave otherwise we succumb to our degenerate instincts

big brain is realizing that god isn't real but still seeing the necessity of religion to bind together a culture and enforce morality on sub 100IQ chimps via fear of eternal damnation

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Actually, it's not symbolic.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation

It's symbolic you naive retard.

Read a book

Again, you are missing how everything in game relates to Shinto Themes just with a Catholic Paintjob. The Healing Church is 100% just Shintoism but with Catholic Imagery and Symbols covering the original Japanese ones. Just because it looks Catholic doesn't mean that it's a direct commentary on Catholicism specifically.

>what western civilization used to be
>good

>Again, you are missing how everything in game relates to Shinto Themes just with a Catholic Paintjob.
Yeah. Like I said it's a Japanese Buddhist making a game about Catholicism [among many other things] Why are you so defensive about this? Can't you just accept it?
>direct commentary
Jesus FUCKING christ nobody said it was. It's not political.

thank god all of europe got to live under the thumb of a church instead of some stinky calipha- wait

The first time I stumbled upon the ayylmaos was in the snake forest after I accidentally fell down some path I shouldn't have gone on. I had no idea what was happening but all of a sudden aliens were shooting lasers into my dick. It went from crazy people to werewolves to snakes to aliens all in a Gothic victorian setting. From that point I knew this was going to be a wild ride.

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>doesn't mean that it's a direct commentary on Catholicism specifically

how do you know this? miyazaki clearly knows a lot about religion and western culture, it's not insane to wonder if the catholic visuals have a deeper meaning. in ds3 pontiff and aldrich are basically the main antagonists with their relation to the deep church

How come Japanese christian don't exist?

For Protestants, it's a symbol.
For Catholics, they interpret the Bread of Life Discourse in John chapter 6 to mean that God literally performs a miracle to transform the substance of bread and wine during Mass into his own body, blood, soul, and divinity.
Not that far-fetched for people who believe a man (multiple men, actually) literally rose from the dead.
t. Catholic

Because neither Jesus nor his disciples ever decided to go to far east Asia.

>the healing church is polytheistic
>DURR IT'S ABOUT CHATOLICISM

Catholics worship at least 4 gods, and countless saints.

First of all they do. Secondly, they purged them all back when they first tried to set up because based Japs knew that part of Christianity was destroying and deleting all your previous beliefs and customs.

>For Catholics
Yeah I know but it's all just nonsense from ancient desert tribes. It's still symbolic in both cases *tips fedora*

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Not saying that it's not a valid interpretation, but downplaying how much Buddhist Shintoism plays a huge role in Miyazaki's games misses a vast amount of the core themes.

They do, but in very small numbers. Read up on the persecutions that happened in Japan. Missionaries went there, but unbelievable brutality followed for Christians.

Japan is like that tho especially in anime

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Because some niggers whomstdve have never read anythin by Lovecraft find the lore to be deep and then the typical soulsfag cancer

They weren't very keen on new religions trying to muscle in

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That's fine and all, but I still want my guidance 3.

>deleting all your previous beliefs and customs.
Catholicism spread in Asia because of the veneration of elders, and the Japs wanted it out because the Portuguese were too OP.

I mean they do, there's just not a lot of them. That's more of a Korean thing. Actually grew up with a priest in my Jesuit community who was imprisoned in North Korea for some time who moved to the states afterwards.

He was a cool guy

This
They viewed missionaries as the camels nose under the tent to full on western invasion

no we don't. in fact we wiped out the heretic frogs who practiced bitheism.

I thought it was the Dutch who spread Christianity to Japan , not the Portuguese

SHIEEEEEEET

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>Japs knew that part of Christianity was destroying and deleting all your previous beliefs and customs.
Unless you're catholic in which case your pagan holidays are just rebranded as saint holidays

>People think the Souls lore is better than Bloodborne/Sekiro
>TIME IS CONVOLUTED IN LORDRAN...
>what if the pope had a vore fetish?
>dude let's put Lethal Lava Land on top of a windmill

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I envy you.

Nah, the Dutch were the Jews of Trading. They valued money over spreading faith, the Portugese on the other hand did both while also smacking everyone with their dicks. No joke, these guys were the shit smashers of that era.

The Portuguese came first and got kicked out, the Dutch were the only ones allowed to stay.

The have no souls, even Chinese and Korean bug people have more than Japs.

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>hour

>The Dutch being horny Jews in the 17th century
And nothing has changed since

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Your image implies god is real though.

>Catholic Church
Nigger Bloodborne is literally a Lovecraftian Innsmouth cult in a city environment. What the fuck are you on about?

Sorry, that was pagan Greece.

your art poopoopeepee

Japs are too stubborn to tolerate a rebranding

>that
>not sounding rad

read a book.

You guys have to understand that in a lot of Asian nations religion is more of a traditional formality than a legitimate religion. Hell, there's a province in China that claims Jesus studied Taoism or some shit there. It has its own weird little heretical sect of Christianity.

google “Amakusa” real quick

Catholicism has been cucked to death that people can borrow Catholic imagery and claim it doesn't have an inkling of a Catholic theme.

Don't do this, it's all just white wolf porn.

I'm playing again, vill Vit build with base stats Axe run. Easier than I thought it would be but still interesting. Taking a lot of time to truly appreciate just how good the weapons and animations feel. Even the sound is fucking orgasmic and definitely something the mainline souls missed out on.

Were dutch not being flamming homosexual back then SEA will be close to 100% christians by now like south america. Not like much will change however.

The bloodiest civil war mankind has ever been in occurred in China because someone claimed to be the brother of Jesus Christ.

The best bosses I've ever fought in a video game. Don't bother replying.

Alright lorechads, what the fuck is are Vermin and how do they fit into the ayy lmaos and blood ministration plots?

Vermin aren't real, the Confederacy are all lunatic cannibals.

It's not. It has very cool visuals if you're into the gothic horror / Lovecraftian setting, but beyond that, it's grindy and practically none of the fights are satisfying. It's worse than the Souls games because you have to grind for the vials if you die a lot.

This is actually way outdated, China now has more than 100 million Christians, it is estimated that soon it will be the biggest Christian nation.

They're not even real.

You're wrong in thinking that humans must succumb to degenerate instincts. By forcing morals on people, you cultivate a desire for revolution in the people whose genetic predisposition is too far from your standards to seem reasonable, and even for the reasonable, you allow degenerate genes to fly under the radar. So, extremely degenerate people plot against you and will eventually overthrow you by force if need to be, and somewhat degenerate people lie about who they are and successfully reproduce.

This is why I typically don't share my moral values, or opinion on religion or drugs or anything, with people. I want them to be themselves, because I want to know who they really are. This may cause a rift in society, perhaps like we are seeing now. I think that's ultimately a good thing. Let the weak be weak and get out while you can.

catholics arent christians

Their Kagare being mistaken for insects by a lunatic Helmethead.

They're imaginary.

it was actually shintoism all along

Wait, can't you collect them? What the fuck is The League on about?

seething protestant

The Bugs are just escoteric symbols of mortal sin, the League is just driving you batshit crazy enough to see them manifested.

>Vermin, found hidden within filth, are only seen by League confederates, and are the root of man's impurity. The League has assumed the task of finding and crushing all vermin.

Perhaps there is some mercy in the madness. Those who wish to see vermin can, and those who choose to are provided with boundless purpose.
>only seen by League confederates
They arnt real good hunter

Nagasaki wasn't nuked randomly.

some people say it's a tie in to the worm things in Sekiro

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>vermin aren't real

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>Lovecraft story
>Madmen aren't seeing the truth
Dumbies.

I'm too much of a lorechad to even waste my time with this [I'm literally ironically getting head right now] but if Vermin aren't real, why do red
-eye old hunters from the Hunter's Nightmare deal mad-as-fuck damage and drop vermin even if you don't wear impurity?
>Don't need the rune to see or find them
>Physical made their hosts stronger and visually distinct
That's the most real proof that vermin are legit. Get out of my face.

This is largely irrelevant. Go to Africa and observe the black people who call themselves Christian and the black people who call themselves Muslim. They are more similar to each other than they are other Christians or Muslims. Practicing Islam, a religion that speaks against the practice of magic, doesn't stop black Muslims from trying to cast spells and curse their enemies. Or even look at white people. Compare the Bible to how white Christians behave. A lot of the things people associate with Christianity is just "white people shit." The holidays are all pagan. Hell isn't in the Bible, it's from Norse mythology. Observe white atheists, who show disdain for Christianity, and yet they're no less altruistic or moral or committed to the truth. Even the diehard Bible thumpers, people look at them and think, "Wow, they take this Christianity shit seriously," but when those people become removed from their religion, they end up acting the very same way just for a different cause. People always talk about the prevalence of cults in Asia and how they're nefarious and, well, fine, but those cults didn't just kidnap people, those people wanted to come together and bind themselves with a religious fervor for a cause. You see this in America with scientology: people leave it and think, "Wow, I was such an idiot for blindly following this nonsense," and then they become rabid political ideologues and don't realize they're doing the same exact thing they were doing in scientology. That's just who they are; they're fanatics.

The Vermin and The Centipedes are both the embodiment of Kagare, they represent the same concept even if they might not be the same world.

>Hell isn't in the Bible, it's from Norse mythology.
Nice meme.

You have no idea what Kagare even is, don't you? And you call yourself a Lorefag.

>hurr durr vermin aren't real
Did you niggers even play the game? You bring back physical items from a dream
Where dreams are real, nothing is "imaginary"

Im even more confused than when I asked this. T-thanks lore friends

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>bloodborne is really about an old man trying and failing to groom a loli
based

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That's the point, the League are so batshit that they brought a escoteric idea into a part of the dream, making it real. And if this is the same universe as Sekiro, then Shintoism is right and The League's on to something about how the world really works.

not enough catholics left here to bait. at least you got one.

SHIN GODZILLA

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>4
explain

>Why do things in a nightmare drop things that don't exist
gee I wonder

Yahweh, Holy Spirit, Jesus, Mary

Not him, but the Father, Son, Holy Ghost, and the Pope.

Just your average paranoid American larper, ignore it.

Why does Japan hate Catholics so much? Even in anime where the catholic church are supposed to be good guys, it always ends up with the church being conspiracy tier villains who's responsible for everything wrong in the world

Retard.

Because the Portugeuse didn't like Shintoism, so that makes Catholicism the enemy of Japan.

It's bait, but also I really fail to see the difference between "veneration" and "worship" as the behaviors people exhibit during "veneration" are indecipherable from the same euphoria people have during worship.

The fixation on Mary has a very strong root with the Roman fixation of Minerva and the Greek fixation on Athena before her.

>Why does Japan hate Catholics so much?
The Portuguese were fucking their shit up and still do to this day because fucking Brazil has one of the biggest Japanese communities in the world.

>that don't exist
If you can bring them back to the waking world, they do exist

>The holy trinity are three separate beings
>worshiping the pope
What the fuck are you talking about, protestant?

Europeans tried christinizing them multiple times, it got annoying after a while. Even still, japs find the aethetic cool. Catholics are pretty much the most aesthetic group of Christians followed by east Orthodox and surprisingly Mormons (Google Mormon churches)
Most protestants, due to their humility shit don't produce anything beautiful so obviously japs aren't going to feature anything inspired by them.

t. Filtered by Gascoigne

>Extremely enjoyable action combat against a large variety of interesting enemies and bosses
The combat in From's games is mediocre at best compared to real action games.
>Classic "Souls" Co-op/Invasion Online multiplayer
Nobody likes BB's online components, which is why it's been completely fucking dead for years and years.

why are there unironic christcucks on Yea Forums now of all places

why are you bitching? it's not a sekrit club

>nuh nuh
user sorry but the blood church is based on the catholic church.
Based catholic super cool religion!

Damn the Japs are based then

>now
Fuck off back to plebbit, newfag.

Japs did put in Hinduism in Asura's Wrath but I'm wondering why a game hasn't been made in the Zoroastrian aesthetic.

The fact that you refer to them as a trinity means you realize they are separate, and of course Catholics worship the Pope, you lot have always been idolaters.

the site has never supported christcucks, the foundations of being a christian go entirely against pretty much all shitposting in Yea Forums, it makes no sense
After you cuck, christcucks were never welcome on the site

Mary is a saint

>it has the word church in it therefore it is a direct reference to rl catholic church

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>ctrl+f "shinto"
>13 results
Are you that tripfag from the /dsg/ threads?
Not lucifer, the other annoying one whose name I can't remember

>Enable pederasty in the clergy
>Surprised when the rest of the world demonizes you
Tell Father to stop the diddling and I'll take you seriously.

lmao seethe more

The concept of homoousion is lost to you and nobody worships the Pope you mong, that's heresy.

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So are the catholics the nazis of Japan i.e. popular enemy in media because they look cool?

Don't go to /dsg/, but Sekiro entirely spelled out that all Miyazaki's works are indeed rooted in Buddhism and Shintoism.

>grindy
>farming vials at all
yikes i'm not even that good either, just use boss echoes lmao i bet you're the type of guy that gets to level 100+ at endgame of souls games

Zoroastrian Aesthetic would just be old Persian Aesthetic.
Also, Zoroastrianism isn't that cool, it's basically Judaisms soul brother. Unrelated, but born of a similar level of resentment.

Yeah, probably. There is always a "priest" enemy in most Shonen. Like Pucci.

>The Son
Jesus, human body but with god for a soul, has a seperate "mind" and freewill from god.
>The Father
God's "Main" form, an astral body from which creation stems. An anthropomorphism in heaven, essentially.
>The Holy spirit
God's abstract form, basically everywhere at once. The Son and the Father could cease to be but the Holy spirit is always there. Basically God's "True" form.

Yes, it doesn't exclude the Persian aesthetic.
The question still stands.
OR better yet, why isn't there a game about the Mesopotamian deities?
They were all gigantic, anthropomorphic and their statues were their physical embodiment on Earth.
You even get the epic of Tiamat and Abzu (Enuma Elis) and Gilgamesh.