What's the point of releasing this game when Hollow Knight already perfected the genre?

Actually Hollow Knight is a metroidvania

The backgrounds look nice but the character designs look like a 12 year old made them in Macromedia Flash.
And it plays like ass. The fact that you need to gather badges just to get to a baseline level of combat like SoTN where you can swing your sword properly and backdash is just a downright terrible design decision.

HK just isnt interesting to me, but then again im not into metroid at all

Actually Hollowknight is a wilyvania.

God I despise you falseflaggers so much.

I feel like I am nitpicking here but why is that red moon in front of the background towers at 1:04:10?

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being million times better than shit is still pretty shit

oh that's weird yeah i didnt notice it before somehow
well, they already mentioned they'll have a day 1 patch that is about the same size as the game itself so most small issues the game has pre release will probably be fixed
its why they're only sending out review copies on launch day too, or so they say

All seems good. Only big complaint I could see is despite the upgrades the graphics still aren't great. Everything else seems like exactly what they set out to do, it is an unapologetic clone with some QoL improvements and more powers.

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While the artstyle is beautifull, I found it to be too samey. It gets boring and repetitive fast

I have to apologize. Sometimes I use HK as bait when starting a metroidvania thread or a thread about a metroidvania game because it's the easiest way for the thread to gain traction.

which is literally all i asked for, and all most people asked for
probably wont get crazy reviews or sales but the game itself is everything i wanted

its fine, i tried to start legit bloodstained threads multiple times and all of them died with zero replies, not your fault this board is trash

>"bruh if you want more SoTN play hollow knight"
>no stats or armor or rpg mechanics

Hk is a soulsvania

this, i dont want a metroid clone, i find metroid lame

Too bad they went for 2.5D instead of full 2D.
Platformers always look better in 2D

Hollow Knight has the most frustrating and absolutely retarded map screen ever for this kind of game. That and it's so fucking dull to look at and boring to play.

I think it will mostly get 8/10s. Female protag, kickstarter success, revival. Konami hasn't made a new one so no comparison to be made and it is apparently pretty easy according to IGA.

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You're not wrong

>apparently pretty easy according to IGA.
i was watching that video posted above and the guy was dying quite a lot, maybe he's just a retard though but so are journos

When the fuck has an igavania ever been hard?

Hollow Knight sucked as a Metroidvania though.

OoE/no fap%

OoE? that was fairly challenging
some bosses in PoR too

Order of Ecclesia

Because Aradia is a qt even if her original design is better

>apparently pretty easy

I hope they added a reasonable hard mode instead of the level cap bullshit

Hollow night is a shitty newsground flash tier game with horrid green and grey visuals only beloved by zoomers.

i assume hard mode will just be challenging while nightmare mode will be the real ball busting difficulty

what are the differences between the switch and the pc version of this? Probably getting it on PC but I’ll be traveling a lot soon so it might be better to get it on my switch

switch version comes out a week later and is 30fps capped

>release day in one week
>absolutely no hype on Yea Forums

What went wrong?

Ik probably getting the Xbox version for this reason. I might get the Switch version later though for portability.

And also has 5 times the content since bloodstained can be supposedly completed in 10-13 hrs. The magic of 5.5 MILLION DOLLARS.

niche genre, and its a shitposting target for multiple reasons so any attempt at discussing it is usually shot down

is this running at 60 on consoles?

how is that length bad for an igavania? length =/= quality
please dont just reply with "cope" or some shit

Yeah. It's almost like that other game which blows hollow shit out of the water.

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on ps4 and xbone yes

Hollow knight reminds me more of Zelda 2

In what way? Because it's as horribly designed as zelda 2 as well?

>niche genre

Not on Yea Forums. Just look at all the nerds who orgasm over Hollow Knight and La Mulana

nah, even on Yea Forums
compare the bloodstained/cv threads to like, i dont know, the fucking dmc threads that have been going non stop for over a year

I've been trying to tell you assholes; there's a reason order of ecclesia was the worst selling castlevania game. People don't care about this shitty genre anymore. It had a good run.

La Mulana is more puzzle than metroidvania.

Except this was supposed to be better than all his other works provided the huge monetary support from the community kickstarter.
And what do we get

>utter Shit graphics
>art direction absolutely soiled by its graphics
>Average length
>Average gameplay (nothing to write home about, as seen in the demo)
>35$ price tag

I don't think any of this justified and all the cash apparently went into the "content" of the game. Music is the only thing they have going for this game.

Only OoE (lvl 1) hard mode no restoratives presents a largely consistent challenge that's both very legit and actually fun. You can ramp up the challenge more if you want, I would avoid using the death ring to trivialize the last few bosses for example. Friend of mine has beaten the game several times on lvl 1 hard with no health or MP upgrades, no glyph unions and had a lot of fun, I haven't gone that far.
Extreme minimalist challenges can make other igavanias hard but their somewhat shoddy braindead design really shines through when you do this and it's just not fun. The thing about OoE is it's challenging through clever enemy placement and attack patterns without making anything into a tedious damage sponge.
I pray Bloodstained's highest difficulty will present a challenge more along the lines of Ecclesia but I wouldn't get my hopes up.

>westacucks seriously believe this

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He also seems to think that length=more unique content, when that has never been the case. Bloodstained has shown off a large amount of weapons, powers and enemies so far.

HK has quality, quantity and variety.
Bloodstained, made with more resources and directed by Iga himself looks to be worse in every single sense.
It's ok to like it and enjoy it, but you must lack the most basic criteria and standards to defend it.

it is gonna be better though? the actual length isnt known yet since what iga said was how long it took him to beat the game without bothering with any of the side shit
gameplay will be peak iga since its literally taking elements from each of his games
i dont give two shits about graphics, not sure whats bad about that price tag, i backed the game for 60€

yo, you might be cute and all, but shut the fuck up

Does it have denuvo?

what's with the HK comparisons all over the place? that game is lame as fuck to me because it lacks all the things i enjoy in iga games, but you dont see me gloating over how shitty it is, to each their own

>he doesn’t like Zelda 2
What a faggot

Played SotN for the first time this year and I gotta say it's very mediocre.

>quality
Combat is boring and samey, customization is meaningless

>quantity
Map is large but empty, huge timesink

>variety
All the maps look the same, all the bosses play the same

Hollow knight is a gay, wannabe, newgrounds tier flash game. I can't imagine the amount of onions -laced foodstuffs one would have to consume to consider it worth of anythign but being indie wank.

HK has been shamelessly shilled for the better part of these past 3 years. They're only just now taking a break before starting up their marketing general in anticipation of silksong.

Look at You are being very subjective about it but looking at an objective angle bloodstained should have been far better than what it is showcased now.

Good thing game developers never asked the same question after Super Metroid was made. I guess Fusion and Hollow Knight are literally pointless.

That's why Nintendo stopped making metroid games though.

i dont want hollow knight though, i want an igavania game
not sure what your point is, orange and apple

Hey that's my line

They did use that logic on F-Zero series sadly believing that they can't top GX.

This reeks of neverplayed

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They were right. They also quit with 2D Mario after Yoshi's Island which I assume was for the same reason.

wow it's horrible

The utter lack of challenge ruins it. It's not something that tweaking the numbers alone can fix because the enemy placement and boss patterns are generally quite lazy and uninteresting.
It's worth it if you can enjoy using novelty weapons and powers to steamroll a game with an excellent audio visual presentation. I played it a lot growing up but after my first replay as an adult I was over it.

OoE sold like shit because everyone had an R4 card by that point. Also the long corridor sections that nobody likes.

theres japanese voice?

SotN has the same problem as Ocarina of Time - it was groundbreaking at the time so everyone thinks of it fondly but it's actually clunky compared to its successors.

If you want a good game to get into Igavanias, I'd recommend Dawn of Sorrow. Lots of variety and way tighter than SotN.

yes, the demo had them too

>What's the point of releasing this game when Hollow Knight already perfected the genre?
That's pretty much what most people said about everything past Super Metroid too.

seconding DoS but with this romhack
romhacking.net/hacks/4373/

Hollow Knight is shit that looks like a flash game, don't make me laugh op.
I already pre-ordered Bloodstained, can't wait

They can top GX by making a game of even 75% the quality with online and HD visuals. That's a load of bullshit, they don't bother because they can just pump out Mario Kart instead which sells much better than F-Zero ever could.

Why does Miriam's game attract such bad bait?

Is it just one guy butt hurt that it is coming out and the reaction is pretty much all positive?

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Damn that's a really good hack. The only choice I really disagree with is changing the location of the black panther soul. BP is placed at the end of the Abyss specifically because it makes traversing the area so easy. Its intended purpose is for the post-game boss rush.

I like hallow Knight, but I much prefer my meteoidvania to be more castlevania than metroid, and hallow is much, much more on the metroid side of things

I'm giving my honest opinion user.
Based on this video I gotta say the game looks very mediocre and boring. The layout of the map, the placing of the enemy, the background design, all of them are shit, the only good thing in this game is its character design and Japanese voice acting.

I doubt MOST people are retarded enough to think that every game has to outright top what is arguably the best in the genre to be worth playing. There are a minority of people on Yea Forums this retarded, though not even OP is one of them as he was just baiting for an active Bloodstained thread.

one way to make it obvious that you are trying too hard to fit in by being contrarian

>Hollow Knight already perfected the genre?

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST YOU STUPID FUCKING ZOOMER STOP SHILLING YOUR SHITTY INDIE GAME.

LITERALLY ANY OTHER METROIDVANIA IS BETTER THAN HOLLOW KNIGHT ITS FUCKING GARBAGE CLUNKY-ASS GAMEPLAY IS WORSE THAN THE FUCKING PORNOGRAPHIC METROIDVANIAS, HAVING CUTE ART AND 2DEEP4U STORY DOESNT MAKE UP FOR SHITTY GAMEPLAY, FUCK OFF.

METROIDVANIAS WERE PERFECTED literally BEFORE YOU WERE BORN, IN 1998 WITH KONAMI'S Castlevania: Symphony Of The Night FOR THE PLAYSTATION. YOU CAN DOWNLOAD AN EMULATOR RIGHT NOW AND PLAY IT FOR FREE, I SURE AS FUCK DID AFTER HOLLOW KNIGHT MADE ME WANT TO PUT MY HANDS IN A MEAT GRINDER SO ID NEVER HAVE TO PLAY SUCH SHIT EVER AGAIN.

IN B4 "he mad xD" YES I MAD

Oh I played it because I got it for free on Switch. Everything about it is half-assed and bland.

only 60 fps on PS4 pro?

hollow knight is a 6/10 that gets overhyped by souls babbies
hollow knights artstyle is literally just flash with a very limited and very muted color pallet

Super Metroid perfected it.

>64,867 backers pledged $5,545,991 to help bring this project to life.
just...

palate

this, HK focuses way too much on its bossfights when the combat is shallow and lame

the game was a boring slog

>he hasn't played dsvania randomizer

LMAO, what the fuck are you doing, dude?

pilates

>Hollow Knight
>Perfected
Lol no. It's ok but it's very bare bones and basic. Nothing innovative. If anything it's regressive. It's maybe 6/10. Only people who suck it's dick are ones who don't know what a great Metroidvania is

>Metroidvania
Metroidvaniafag here, curious what you think what a great Metroidvania is if you think Hollow Knight is a 6/10?

If you're at all interested you can just wait to pirate it and see for yourself (like I will), maybe the highest difficulty will address the enemy placement and lack of challenge. Order of Ecclesia changed drastically from normal to hard, barely the same game.
Super Metroid has very little focus on combat by comparison to others. It is definitely the best one as far as map design and traversal goes, but other games excel where it does not [spoilers]Symphony of the Night is like a 6/10 compared to super metroid's 8 or 9 though[/spoiler]

I know you wanted a Bloodstained thread but instead of baiting people with HK you should baited them by saying that the game looks like ass despite having millions of dollars behind it.

>caring about nutoidvanias
Have sex, get an STD and become permanently crippled by 28 doses of 200mg fluoroquinolone antibiotics (oral intake).

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I wish they release a short demo on steam instead.

That looks pretty cool. Are the changed portraits any good? I really hate the anime style.

I backed the $300 edition and while I'm hoping I'm wrong, the shipping manifest makes it sound like they sent a regular copy... I already expect the game to get a 5/10, and for Yea Forums to laugh at me, but I think I'm about to get JUSTed harder than I imagined.

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not that guy but either SM or AM2R imo
also not that guy but combat is not important in a metroidvania, the point of a metroidvania is exploration and puzzle solving and if you rate sotn a 6 then HK's a 4

Because genres can have multiple entries and if your argument is "once the perfect game in a genre exists, there's no reason to continue making them" then you should tell Hollow Knight to pack it up and go home, because Super Metroid exists.

o fug I took the b8

How long til Epic grabs this? Also do note anons that there is a massive day 1 patch incoming that adds a fuck ton of shit.

I love Super Metroid, but it wasn't perfect but it was great.
When it comes to AM2R I never finished it for reasons I don't remember, but now that you reminded me, I should go back and play it.
But to me Hollow Knight > Super Metroid by a mile.

I played SotN for the first time last fall and I didn't feel anything about the game was clunky.

Not a good indicator though. Angel said that the devs are putting out a Day 1 patch that will fix and add a lot of shit.

No, that's what's important in certain Metroidvanias, particularly any Metroid games. Rabi-Ribi is more about intense boss battles, Order of Ecclesia barely has any exploration until the last quarter of the game but is an actual challenge both in its levels and bosses on hard mode.
I haven't even played Hollow Knight so I'm not engaging directly in that conversation. It looks alright but not at all the golden standard for me.

Have you played any of the newer Igavanias? Alucard controls really sluggishly compared to say Soma or Shanoa. Hell, Dawn of Sorrow has an Alucard with tighter controls than SotN's Alucad.

I'm gonna wait til it comes with a bundle or gets a price drop. Looks half-assed, but playable and I need a metroidvania fix from time to time.

What is the 300 edition supposed to have?

he mad xD

It's the opposite of clunky today. It remains one of the smoothest side scroller action games available, with one of the best art directions. The problem it always had, which was recognizable to people even when it released, was that it was bloated with superfluous features / items and it was easy.

I like Gucamelee best

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Lmao. IGAdrones think this is good. Holy shit It is bad.

idk man if i play a metroidvania and it spends all its time wanking off to its combat i immediately get bored because metroidvanias rarely have good combat

this is why i got incredibly bored with HK because it kept shoving me into lame bossfights instead of just giving me interesting abilities and unique areas to use them in, i guess i spoiled myself by playing SM first and i guess it's about what you're looking for in a game

They'd better send you a hooker dressed as Miriam for that kind of money. One of the good looking ones that actually look like the character too.

Does she really make that awful screaming noise every time she strikes?

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Signed super duper collectors edition with a bunch of bullshit. Poster, key chain, art book, soundtrack, t-shirt, other shit. I'm a big fan of Castlevania so I wanted to support this, but what after 3 or 4 years of waiting and seeing the general result of other crowdfunded games, yeah I'm not backing anything ever again. Every series has to die sometime...

I don't understand why no game has the control flexibility that SOTN had. Is it that hard to make the main character control that flexibly?

Only thing Bloodstained seems to be lacking is the backdash cancel. Apart from that people have already shown it is 1:1

The real question is when will there be a new Salt and Sanctuary-anything? Wish I had more decent art besides the Spindlefucker but boy oh boy he is a good representation of this game CASUALS STAY OUT

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that game and death's gambit were absolute ass
fuck LE 2D SOULS

Perfection doesn't exist user.

I'm going to make sure to listen to your review if you decide to post something about the game itself.
Other than that, at least we got Curse of the Moon thanks to you.

It doesn't look like she can attack diagonally.

Oh yeah I'm getting fucked. Checked the kickstarter comments. You can't make this shit up. You get the collectors edition after you get the game...

They've not made them yet. This is a shitty way to say they've not fucking made them yet. 5 million dollars and they've not made the fucking collectors editions before launch! I would reckon that the two dumb bastards that paid $2,500 to get a custom stained glass window related to the game are never going to actually get those staind glass windows.

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why would you make a new original game when you can just release a shitty game under the castlevania name and sell millions to boomers

Hollow Knight isn't actually that good.

Just tested it and you can. Both jumping and on the ground. You also have the directional shard, which gives you way more choice in aiming spells than before

Still stuck on the beetle knights champ?

I mean it isn't like you are getting the game latter. It isn't unusual for them to ship the game and then get extra stuff latter.

>asks for donations to make a brand new 2D metroidvania
>bland-looking 2.5D

what the fuck was he thinking dude? he knew and everyone knew what they fuck we all wanted, come on man

Actually, bloodstained is a castlemetroid

>Night of Revenge already perfected the genre
Fixed that 4 you big guy

>shitty soundtrack

Literally no one has this opinion. Bad bait

nice post very original I give u 10 top keks and a million dead niggers and women

>SotN is clunky. The portable games with less buttons, less smooth back dash cancel and that don't even let you attack diagonally are better I swear!
This will never be true or make sense no matter how many times you repeat it.
Also don't compare SotN to the garbage heap that is OoT.

Yes. It blends in when there's more upbeat music so it wasn't that awful to me.
t. I played a demo a couple of months ago

No

>Dawn of Sorrow has an Alucard with tighter controls than SotN's Alucad
that's not really tight he just feels more loose which is actually worse
You don't feel deliberate in Alucard's movement anymore
Alucard in SotN was intentionally made that way so there was good feedback to how the player controls him
making him too light would feel unnatural and it would be harder to get used to
I agree that Soma does feel pretty nice but SoTN's movement is still the best

When's the release date for this gem?

>Zooooooooooooooom

18th, 25th on switch