Backers denied refunds over Shenmue III Epic Games Store exclusivity

backers don't have the balls to sue lmao

>kikestarter
$0. I'll buy it on Steam sale later.

>We thank you for your support
So what do the people get who do not support them anymore, except for a denial of refund?

>sue
What for? Even if they were promised Steam keys, they'll get them. It's just Steam release that got delayed by few fucking years, but they still releasing the game in time, just not on Steam. You can't outjew the jews.

credit card chargeback. Its pretty simple.

just give the stupid fuckers who donate money steam keys. it's not that hard. few other sudden timed random store exclusive games already did that.

> promised PC digital version
> will deliver PC digital version
Am I missing something?

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$0

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>Even if they were promised Steam keys, they'll get them
No they wont, they'll get Epic-version copies instead which is why this shitstorm started up in the first place. The backers dont even get a choice of what DRM they want to fuck their ass

$0

Sega and the original devs have nothing to do with this sequel so fuck that. Yakuza games are the true sequels.

But if they don't force people to use the Epic store, Epic won't give them bribe money. The whole point of this is Epic bribing them to force the backers to install the Epic store.

$30 bucks, first of the few KS i've backed that's disappointed me in any way shape or form, out of Hyper Light Drifter, Shantae, this, and Bloodstained (and some bird guy action figures)

Adding Deep Silver and Yu Suzuki's company to blacklists, and have switched my version to PS4 (the backer survey page still lists it as Steam for PC though go figure), but sucks for people who don't have that option. $30 isn't a big deal really but it does send a message, so that'll be the last of their games I get. Maybe Kingdom Come once it goes sub $15.

Nope, it's autismo Yea Forums at it again.

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get fucked platform loyalists, both suck and you suck even more for caring about this bullshit

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I spent $0 on any kickstarter
They might get in trouble if the people who funded read the requirements that the studio has to do when they deliver on the stuff they promise
But people who give money to kickstarter don't know how to read those so they are safe

>tfw stopped supporting both Kickstarters and Indies
Fuck both, I'll sooner support AAA games than touch Tim Sweeney's store.

0$
>ever giving money to a kike-starter

Dumb epic shill

Can't people take PS4 option and just sell it? Seems to be the most reasonable option.

because kickstarter backers are retarded
there's no need to do anything for them

>Promise steam
>Get a whiff of that egs fortnite cash
>Go egs exclusive
>What 10-20% of our backers want refund?
>Fuck you no refund
Unless something has changed this is against kickstarter rules.
Changing a "promise" makes you eligible for refund i think
I hope this turns into a shitshow like usual with egs exclusives
Everyone hates (forced) exclusives and publishers/devs try to hide it until the last second

I didn't donate but from now on I will pirate every single deep silver game I want to play. Fuck them

>It was also noted that those ordering a physical PC edition will now receive a code for the Epic Games Store, as opposed to the originally advertised Steam code
>originally advertised Steam code
Assuming said kickstarter explicitly mentioned that it would release on Steam, this sounds like grounds for a chargeback because you didn't receive the product that was advertised.

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Fuck that, pirate games you don't want to play too just to steal more of their money.

I can't wait for Yongout to shit on Shenmue devs

At least the other Epic sellouts offered Steam keys or offered refunds

0, my friend backed them for 100$ though and he's absolutely livid, poor guy

>epic and Deep silver are in so much deep shit that they HAVE to deny steam keys that they explicitly promised to force more players onto the botnet and pump up sales numbers

Epic wants to use the backers as sales numbers to boost epic game stores image

Here's how that goes: the product offered was a game, not a key for a game, the product is the same, ergo, no grounds for redress.

Just gonna dab on you Zoomer shitbags who didn't play the originals and are riding the nostalgia train of delusional boomers. The truth is the original Shitmue games were overrated garbage. Most of you will be bored out of your minds and you'll drop the game after your first hour or so. It took a certain type of autist to enjoy Shenmue games, they simply weren't that great. I'll admit I was blown away when I first beat them, but I was a child at the time. I'd never seen anything like it. But now that I can come in from an adult's perspective I can honestly say they were overhyped and fueled by nostalgia.

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You cant put denuovo cancer on DRM free copies.

A steam game code was mentioned explicitly. All those mentions have of course been removed by now.

0

But since Tim's being so kind I might aswell play it when it releases

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Wait so I don't understand.

Why can't they just give steam keys to the people that want it?

>implying steam wants to host a game for free

Bringing this way of thinking to its extreme means they could advertise a game as "X" console exclusive and then change it to "Y" console at any point because its still a game

There really isn't anything quite like it, though. People seem to think that Shenmue was/is like Yakuza, but it's an adventure game with fighting elements.

retard

They don't want more players playing shenmue on steam when its not even openly sold on the platform

You invested in a product, you will get a product, you don't deserve shit.

Technically not broken, since they'll still be giving steam keys, but a year late most likely.

Yeah but like wasn't Metro Exodus at least pre-ordable on steam before it left?

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You’re missing that the initial promise was a steam version, not a PC release.

1. It's not sold on the platform
2. Xi Jinping will get mad

Epic bad, China ugabuga. Tibet and pooh.
Am I cool now?

Pirating a game you don't want to play is retarded. Nobody benefits or is hurt and you're just wasting hard disk pace.
Unless you're pirating specifically to seed the torrent. That's fine then.

This is hilarious. The refund amounts probably aren't going to be huge but all that kickstarter money is likely gone, meaning the devs couldn't refund if they wanted. They would need to borrow more money from Deep Silver, further deepening this sinkhole of a game.

They could, that's not even an extreme. The game is still the product, the platform does not change the nature of the product. Now, if suddenly this made someone unable to use something they had already paid for, there's your grounds for redress, but this game will still be playable on any system it was previously.

you'll never be a woman chinese tranny.

Because paypigs are retarded and weak enough to just roll over and accept it

No they won't. Every backer who chose PC is getting an EGS code. They aren't going to sit on handing out a backer code for a year or two just to give a steam code.

Wait, these posts are getting deleted now? What the fuck

of course they can't get refunds, they paid for the game to be developed, not for the game to be on steam

Yu Suzuki had KS money, Sony Money, Deepsilver money, and likely Epic's money by now. Does steam need to pitch in too?

>post yfw you didn't get scammed

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Forgot to mention Tiananmen Square and the newly censored term "Hong Kong"

>investing in a game
Do I look like a fucking investor?
I just play the damn games. Or not, as in this case.

If egs is good why does epic have to pay publishers to use it?
Just put your game on both and give some retarded egs bonus in game like a hat
Instead they pay people to fuck their customers and tries to force them to use a (so far) worse platform

>Backing a kikestarter that takes a publisher
Just don't do it. Refund the moment they announce they have a publisher. They beg you for money because publishers don't support them then they take a publisher anyway and the backer stops mattering.

They were promised a steam key
Now they get an Epic Store key and no Steam
And people don't want to use Epic and want the Steam key they paid for

Wait I remember this. Wasn't this the one that news saying it was a record breaking kickstarter deal?

Shit that was news years ago.
What's all the drama about now? That they needed epic money? I thought this already got millions from both sony and kickstarter already?

thats what you get for beeing a retard that backs games. i bet you also preorder games cause u get "thing" for free

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>unable to use something they had already paid for,
not signing any epic eula makes it the person unable to use it.

When did steam become a good platform? When did I miss this?

Valve slaves are literally Sjw tire trouble makers

Why does it matter if the launcher is good or bad? I though you bough a game and not the launcher. I don't think they even said there will be any drm. They may just put the game to download via the launcher and launch without it, like Hades.

>Pay for ice cream in a cone
>Get ice cream in a cup
Here's your food analogy.

That's inconsequential, the OS and hardware will run it, the game will work, that's like saying not putting the disc in the tray prevents the game from running. But still, good job for finding a technicality, I doubt it'd convince anyone to give out a refund, though.

I guess people are being punished for liking a bad game

Least shitty is correct. Don't count gog on it because it's highly specialized.

Please tell me where i said steam was good?
It's better than egs, but I never said it was good

"Good" is relative in this instance
DRM is never good, but Steam at least has a ton of features and shit while the EGS is completely stripped down.
You'd never use EGS if not for it having exclusive games while someone that doesn't care about DRM could easily find a lot of convenience in using Steam.

because the launcher comes with a whole deal of licenses you have to sign to use it. The kickstarter explicitly stated steam not epic. Meaning you have to sign new licenses

>pay for a meme food analogy
>get an accurate food analogy
Is this bizarro Yea Forums?

Steam was mentioned. But what idiots backers failed to admit is that the devs can change the terms without notice.

A BLOO BLOO

>Imagine giving money to a scam website with no legal protection.
>Imagine not reading contracts and tos.

This is litterally a check on stupidity, like lotto or ponzi schemes, or star citizen

Yu Suzuki a hack and a fraud

This.

>That's inconsequential
Not when talking about refunds and advertisement.

No it didn't. That's a lie. You were asked if you want the steam key or ps4 via survey. There was no mention of it on the main page other than digital distribution. You didn't even agree to any license. You agree when you add the key to the launcher. Nobody forces you to. You can resell the key.

>replying to yourself

It's more akin to a publisher canceling physical copies and going digital only. You can still play on your platform of choice (PC) but you've lost the choice of how you boot the game.

>Shenmue on Steam
>has steam forums that the devs have actively used
>has potential workshop shenanigans
>gives a chance for me to shill it to my steam niggas because it's a niche title
>can put in a good review for it if it's good to tell people to buy this niche game
>etc.
>Shenmue on Epic
>well at least it's just one game so I don't need a shopping cart

Valve is privately owned, when you buy a game on Steam you're supporting Gabe Newell, a jovial and harmless fat guy.
Epic is owned by Tencent, when you buy a game on the EGS you're supporting a company that is quite literally evil.

>And people don't want to use Epic and want the Steam key they paid for
>they paid for

No, see this is the misconception. You aren't paying for anything on Kickstarter as there is no guarantee of a final product. You are donating your money in good faith that it will come out. The backer rewards are just a little pat on the head for being a good boy that you might not even get.

Do people hate Epic because of a premise of "well what if every game will require it's own launcher??" rather than having big issues with epic launcher itself? because they are not downright horrible and give out a free game every two weeks so while it's an inconvenience I don't see why people care just that strongly. I understand caring just not these levels of outrage.

you only needed to say linux and controller support desu

Steam is the cone, Epic is the cup.
It's pretty accurate to say that you can eat the cone and enjoy it, while the cup is just a piece of trash.

lmao top-tier b8 dude
>cones are edible
>cups aren't
>cone objectively superior
The food analogy already covered this argument, calm down shill.

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Thats what you fucks get for giving money for something they wish to do and not promise

>The backer rewards are just a little pat on the head for being a good boy that you might not even get.
Read the fucking ToS.

no

Deleting was a crime, mfw never backed a kickstarter game. They almost never turn out well and anyone who backs them should be prepared for disappointment like this issue with Shenmue 3

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No. People hate epic because their client is a chinese spybot for xi jiping.

Don't forget that Tencent is owned by the CCP so you're also supporting human rights violations perpetrated by them by using EGS

user the steam release has been,canceled.

Oh right I forgot cones are edible.

I'm sorry I'm such a brainlet lads. This is why food analogies aren't for me.

>We thank you for your support
I'm surprised they didn't flat out say money instead of support.

No, they only hate it, because they can't add the game to their steam account

I haven't backed anything since Broken Age, MN9 & Ouya. First two were unfortunate but the last one is completely on me just wanting SOME new hardware when last gen wouldn't end.

>why does it matter if gamestop sucks give them your money anyway

>denuvo
>can't be cracked anymore

Piracy is dead bruh.

Gabe Newell is a child molester and a tranny. Prove me wrong.

Yeah, you missed your brain

Your sarcasm is noted, now shut up, smoothbrain.

I still find it hilarious that the devs are literally communicating with people through steam because they have no where else to reach their customers.

But you didnt give them money. You gave it to kickstarter and the developer

Not after 2 years.

>can't be cracked
sounds like a familiar tune.

>tfw still can't play handball 17
i can't believe denuvo won.......

So what. Valve is the same far left scumbag banning many devs and hiding the Sjw policies. Both companies fucking suck. Be a clever consumer and use/trash both of those.

holy
it all make sense now.....

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I hate installing all kinds of stupid software that slows my PC down, lags like motherfucker and is down every now and then. I'd rather not have Steam either but if I were to choose the lesser evil it would be Steam any fucking day of the week. If you absolutely have to have these storefronts nowadays at least make them fucking decent enough with good features, not some barebones garbage that shits up your PC for no reason other than some chinks shelled out money.

I recently had to install Origin because of a meme flavor of the month battle royale shooter my friends wanted to play and I was astonished by how awful that thing is after all these years considering it came out around BF3 release.

And then you have the chink spyware problem on top of it all.

some of those that burn crosses
are the same that buy epic
some of those that burn crosses
are the same that buy epic
some of those that burn crosses
are the same that buy epic
UH

>far left scumbag banning many devs and hiding the Sjw policies
what on gods earth are you on about

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$100. Just shoot me before I die of embarrassment, please.

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SHILLING IN THE NAME OF

I hate EGS because it's a piece of shit with hardly any features that doesn't even do what it's supposed to well. EGS has given me bad download speeds since UT4 came out on Epic Launcher, while every other launcher, minus Window's Store, all utilize 100% of my connection. They've done hardly anything to even attempt to fix the issues the launcher has.

On a more personal level, I dislike Epic because of how they handled UT4 and the Fortnite alpha, but that has nothing to do with the launcher.

You just can't stop being a valve slave. No fucking body cares about your shitty collection and "community". Just grow out of the stupid circlejerk

one year egs exclusive
Then coming to steam
Just give backers the steam key one year early and call it steam early access or some shit as damage control

They're literally letting Illusion launch they're waifu-sim porn games on Steam, they're as far from SJW as you can get as a company and still stay solvent.

I wonder who could be behind this post

What are you yapping about you retard

See

I'm glad this taught people not to fund kickstarter shit. How fucking stupid were they anyways?
The game was already being funded by Sony.
All these retards deserve everything.

>No fucking body cares about your shitty collection and "community"
Except the "community" that funded Shenmue 3 and is now raising a big stink about it, in addition to openly advocating piracy
Funny, since the only things faggots can say about Epic are '12% cut!'

Back to the toilet, Timmy ;)

How does any other launcher slow your computer? Do not autostart it. Start the game and then close the launcher once you do. Rocket science

Did you get banned from Greenlight for trying to upload too many scam games or something?

Aside from things already mentioned, Epic fucked over the devs with their sale. Games actually went up in price as a response. Such savings!

Absolutely fucking BASED
Valve is crushing it lately.

Why would Shenmue ever fucking need kickstarting? Especially when it got backing from sony and now sold out to epic

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It reminds me a lot of how Crunchy Roll used to say "your subscription fee goes to the anime industry!" right before they announced this shit.

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>go on, lad, this one's on me!
Based Tim

Yes, that is exactly what I do with Origin. Unfortunately I have retarded friends who use Steam for other shit than just playing video games.

Man this feels weird

>>paying people to make the product you buy
Wait, the donors aren't getting free copies?

>I'm glad this taught people not to fund kickstarter shit
That's what they said when MN9 came out

I mean, technically it was kickstarted before Sony got on board and long before the EGS even existed.
Remember, this shit was announced at E3 2015, four fucking years ago.

WITH NO SURVIVORS

imagine having a fox wife

Because i don't want to support chinese influence on game industry. All censorship in games because of China.

just use Launchbox or Playnite.
or soon, GOG Galaxy 2.0

MN9 was released a year after the Shenmue kickstarter

Anybody looking forward to this chink drama from the 2000s is an actual fucking piece of shit and you should unironically end your life

>based Epic bullies betas out of mommy money again

Thankfully nothing.

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Porn is fine, but can we please throw the furries into a bath of acid?

Fuck your friend. He needs to be taught a lesson. Don't pay for games that aren't finished yet.

They hate it because it's the first actual competition Valve has faced, and they can't handle the idea of having multiple accounts and launchers for games.

I can't understand it either, but then I'm not a zoomer, and I remember the world before Steam.

What's far more disgusting, to me, is Oculus. They're literally locking games to HARDWARE, not software, which is a million times worse than Epic, and nobody seems to care. Imagine buying a game, only to find out you can't run it because you have an AMD graphics card. That's what VR is like, right now.

Literally any game that gets an exclusivity deal from epic is just begging to be pirated. Epic has officially subsidized the profits of the game as per the contract they signed with deep silver, meaning any lost sales due to piracy are eaten by Epic, they're basically paying for the game on your behalf, thanks epic and pirate your new game.

February 8th incident, Hong Kong 2021

Yeah man, let's go the the Epic forums and laug...

Is Epic's business model sustainable? I want them to die and my hope is that they're just bleeding their Fortnite Battle Royale cash reserves into unprofitable fuckups that is unsustainable long run.

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>Hong Kong WILL fall to China within your lifetime

I'm marking this in my calendar and getting popcorn. Thanks for the future scoop, time traveller.

>Is Epic's business model sustainable?
Doesn't matter, they have the infinite money of Tencent to play with.

If Fortnite dies it is.

No, they use the non american market to pay for the "developer share"

Nobody wanted to fund it after the moneysink that S2 was. only after the first kickstarter Sony saw hte potential and jumped into it. And now Epic as well.

Isn't that illegal for EU?

their own fortnite fan base is starting to turn against them so it might be sooner rather than later

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You're welcome. Be careful, they are watching.

Steamtards explain me why Steam is better for industry than EGS?

>absolutely love xenonauts
>they do kickstarter for a sequel
>fuck ye
>give them money
>they give frequent long written update posts with what they changed, what they're working on, ask what players want priority wise
>already got a steam key for beta versions several months back
feels fucking good man

Not really. They've said themselves that 12% isn't enough in the long run and one of the reasons why charge fees are on the consumer unlike with valve,.. Besides, if their store doesn't take massively off, once the Fortnite money dries up, and that will eventually happen, they'd be with their backs against the wall. Hell, if you want to be really pessimistic you could assume that it's not even Timmys idea, but tencent pushing them down this path to eventually buy the rest of the company off Timmy.

0. Never even played the first two

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It's illegal in pretty much every civilized country, IIRC. It's illegal in Aussieland too, but judge is still out on whether or not they are civilized.

>How much did you invest in the game, Yea Forums?
0, but I might buy it later.

it became the "best" platform about uhhh 10-12 years ago
they're making it worse recently tho

Tencent just has a 40% stake though, is that enough to do much in terms of corporate voting control?

Because Epic paid Deep Silver money to have more users on EGS.
There is no compromise here.

Epic is really undermining people's faith in kickstarter games.
I've never backed anything but I do appreciate some of the games that have come from being kickstarted, Epic wants to shit it up in the name of expanding their Chinese botnet.

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>Implying Kickstarting a game is not just donation for the creator.
There is no contract made between you and the creator. Just a promise without any legal assurance

can't they get sued over this scam?

epictards explain me why EGS is better for industry than steam?

when given the choice, every dev that's not getting exclusivity paychecks goes for steam

>How much did you invest in the game, Yea Forums?
I was planning on buying 1&2, then play 3 when it came out. But apparently out of the question.

I have nothing against Epic store, it's just with steam I can buy a giftcard with cash at any store, scratch and buy. With everything else I would need to make bank payment, and I am iffy about that.

i thought this game was in development hell

It's a little more complicated than that. The fine print of Kickstarters TOU seems to indicate that they mislead consumers, however since the product will be the exact same just the manner in which it is distributed has changed it's up for discussion whether or not it constitutes false advertising.

Yes! I too agree that every cute girl wearing cute things that I want just begs to be raped.

Because publ- I mean developers get more money from the sales.

It is as long as they have fortnite money. I don't think they could sustain the store on its own though.

It was.

Why do you think it got so much fucking money injections?

people are able to get refund through paypal, possibly a chargeback though

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Why are Steam drones so FUCKING insufferable? I don't even think Nintendo fanboys are as bad

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Fuck epic

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Better and more pro consumer features on storefront
More sustainable business model
No exclusivity cancer
Not China

that’d guarantee pirated copies circulating on day 1. for epic games store to work they have to rely on strong DRM, ie denuvo

>0, but I might buy it later.
Paypal does it if you give them a good enough reason. The worst that can happen is that whoever you chargbacked from will blacklist your paypal account from making future purchases.

furries COME from porn lunacy

so then why don't they launch on ichio or other game stores with a similar split?

The EGS didn't even fucking exist when this game got kickstarted. Of course people expected to get the game on steam, because that was just about the only serious AAA option available for a pc copy.

It also showed up on fucking Steam, albeit not able to be pre-ordered months before this was announced, on top of the e-mail received by backers because they were backers alluding to a steam copy. It literally does not matter that it wasn't directly sent by the devs, what other conclusion are you supposed to be expected to pull as a backer?

Anyone who thinks that nothing wrong has been done here is some kind of corporate apologist.

So at this point it's just free money for some lawyer willing to file a class-action lawsuit.
Truly Epic(tm)

What's with these people? Just because you don't like epic doesn't mean there's some chinese conspricacy behind it.

>kikestarter
>preordering a game
they deserve it, people are so fucking dumbe they never learn

how dense do you have to be to preorder a game in this day and age? its just natural selection at work at this point

Racists don't use EGS.

obviously it's a chargeback and most likely your kickstarter will get banned, unless kickstarter decides to side with the funders rather than the dev, in which case they might simply force shenmue to offer refunds

Shoulda gone physical.

>Of course people expected to get the game on steam, because that was just about the only serious AAA option available for a pc copy.

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>not torrenting every single deep silver game on a seperate PC and seeding them until they go out of business
get on my level you fucking pleb

First of all, the game looks like shit.

Second, just open up a claim with your bank. If your credit isn't abysmal they will get you your refund on the grounds that you weren't given exactly what was promised. To add insult to injury, it reflects badly on the seller when you do this too.

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I'm glad I pre-ordered Anno 1800 on Steam before it became EGS exclusive.

how did that fallout 69 class action end up going?

don't physical copies get EGS too?

>Deep silver

gonna have the Shenmue 3 backers crying like an anime fan on prom night

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uhhhhhh steamdrones?
calm down

>shenmue3.deepsilver.com/us.html
>WILL SHENMUE 3 BE RELEASED ON STEAM IN THE FUTURE?
>Shenmue 3 will be released on Steam in the future.

it’s not that people “expected”, after paying you had to chose either ps4 or steam copy.
if the option was “windows pc copy” the yeah, it would be shitty but legit, but thats not the case

>just wait a year
why would you buy it on steam after a year, might as well just pirate it when it gets cracked like a week after launch

>Somehow the meme edit gets posted more than the original now
What the fuck happened?

THEN FUCKING RELEASE IT ON STEAM FUCKING ALREADY

WHY PISS PEOPLE OFF JUST RELEASE ON BOTH SHITTY DRM SERVICES AT THE SAME TIME

>preordering games

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user, they might miss out on their super exclusive game music CD that ends up leaking weeks before the games release and shitty art book that will only maybe be looked at once.

I've never played a Shenmue game and never will. I can never forgive them for the death of my boy.

Fish swim, birds fly, and the Chinese steal shit, what else is new?

Name 1 (one) steam exclusive game not published by Valve. I'm still waiting for even one of the shills to give an example.

If it's coming out on steam still then why can't they just fucking give the people who want it on steam a steam key?
What in the actual fuck is going on? How is this so hard? Why is everyone acting so retarded?

BASED

STEAMROASTIES CAN EAT SHIT

but games on steam aren't exclusives by the traditional definition, as in, they weren't enforced. They were de facto, but devs COULD have put their games anywhere else, they just, you know, generally didn't becsuse there wasn't a point because players either wanted to use steam or didn't want drm at all.

shit edit too, i've never even seen the original and it sounds more like epic at a glance

Dark Souls 2 and 3

Can't get those on anything but Steam

Can't find much about it except that they made people waive their claims to it if they accepted the $5 of FO76 currency or had a Bethesda account for longer than 30 days.

people just go "well the devs didn't want to launch somewhere else so it's a steam exclusive"

You can't. Steam rules say that you need to release your game on sale for keys that aren't just review/dev keys to activate

humblebundle.com/store/dark-souls-iii
Woah shit

>They were de facto, but devs COULD have put their games anywhere else

They really couldn't.

Could you imagine a multiplayer oriented game on GOG?

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>or had a Bethesda account for longer than 30 days.
what the fuck?
if you had a bethesda account before the launch you couldn't sue them anymore? lmao

Yes, but Shenmue 3 never was.

Tencent paid them for exclusivity

No joke this was my one and only Kickstarter. I always said i wouldn’t do it because I could just buy the game at launch if it’s good. And I only backed it because I felt bad that the guy who made some of my favorite games ever was wasting away after getting Gunpei’d. And even with that I got fucking hosed. It’s kind of funny actually.

Just make the game cost 100$ on Steam then lmao

Do you not see how, as a newcomer, there's literally no other way for a company to get their foot in the door?

If you want to challenge a company as dominant as steam, you need exclusivity. I don't know how this could be a surprise to anyone, and it's absolutely insane that people think that being the first company to market means you're entitled to all sales forever.

>most likely your kickstarter will get banned,
but thats a good thing though

>Devs pulling this shit despite knowing that epic is currently controversial
>Now everyone talk about this shit instead of how bad the graphics, art style, animations and voice in the trailer were
I'd say they're based and gamers are fucking retarded.

why the fuck would you delete this you dumb fucking janny

I couldn't even imagine wwz on steam since it's a dogshit game

it went all in on "well maybe we don't make a good game, we just need to hope that people are so sick of L4D/KF/Vermintide that they'll play our game instead"

Because Epic paid them money to deny the game a Steam release until a year later.

It's just a few thousand kickstarter backers getting a steam key. Everyone else will have to go to Epic. Why can't they do this? At least it staves off some of the badwill.

he was joking, bro

greenmangaming com/games/borderlands-3-pc/

Woah shit

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Chargeback are the nuclear option and if you want to keep your kickstarter account it's not an option at all.

epic wants to use backers as sales numbers

>instead of shittalking their game on a game basis and not buying it, people are instead not buying it for other reasons
Fucking GOTTEM

>fund a farmer to grow and deliver apple to you wrapped in gold foil
>he now decides to wrap the apple in shit instead
This why people are upset

> seething

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then they wouldn't get EGS bucks and it'd all be for nothing

They did this because Epic's money is enough to cover the cost of the game, all the backer copies getting refunded AND put it out on Steam AND make a profit off of it. There is literally no reason NOT to do this besides pissing off some sheep who will probably just download the game when it comes out anyway because they're spineless

CRINGE

EPICDRONES CAN EAT SHIT

>Anno
Man, FUCK Epic for taking Anno. I hope they go down in flames.

shut up chink... go and cut your genitals off with some scissors you cunt.

Good job, you can an exception to the general Epic rule. Unfortunately, they still hoard exclusives like a motherfucker.

The EGS contract is exclusive you dummy. Steam rules also say that you cannot discriminate massively on price and sell on their store.

God I hate this artificial difficulty shit.

what is he thinking right now?

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Except exclusives clearly aren't the answer, or Origin could have taken over long ago. No one has managed to match the features and convenience of steam. Maybe work on getting your client to par with the competition instead of nabbing exclusives mere weeks before they were supposed to launch on steam.

>Business transaction is made between companies
>WTF YOU CAN'T DO THIS I'M A COMMUNIST NOW

Steam drones, everyone

Am I supposed to respect the principle of "they wanted more money"?

I don't use Kickstarter to begin with so I don't know why you would need to keep your account. Couldn't you just make another one?

I would still do it anyway.

Wouldn't yurofags just cry to EU courts and EU slaps Epic's shit?

And when cornered, the epic shill entirely changes the subject.

why do journos and the lefty crowd hate Steam so much?

There's a way, retard.
It's called making a good storefront, funding their own exclusives and not just buying exclusives away from Steam at the last minute, especially not kick-started ones.

im more successful than inafune

>Except exclusives clearly aren't the answer, or Origin could have taken over long ago.

They have to be good exclusives - nothing on Origin competes with Fortnite

twitch.tv/directory

And the one game that tried is dead as a doornail now

Also Uplay and Origin have been around longer than Epic and still don't have features like user reviews

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Because why damage control at all? They already got their money. The scam is over. no need to have anyone's goodwill, sales don't matter at this point.

>People bough a PS3 for the promise of FFXV
>"lmao, PS4 only now"
Plus kickstarter minus a new device (unless Linux user)
It isn´t ethical, that´s it. Epic wasn´t a thing when they begged for people's money.

>Curation
>Curator
?

> le "illegal in EU" meme
kek

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cant you just make another?

Why aren't they allowed to hog the exclusives they paid for, commie boy?

By delaying giving refunds it's good damage control because less people will refund once the heat of the moment has passed

If you've backed stuff in the past you won't be able to access it anymore and if you've backed something that hasn't been delivered yet you'd lose that thing entirely.

Smart devs don't want anything to do with Tencent, other devs, like Deep Silver, just care for money.
Look at Capcom or CDPR, they are smart and avoid the Tencent Store like a plague.

the order recepit literally reads "steam key". the thing is that egs is a hard dealbreaker to some and with this bait and switch epic just bypassed a shitton of lost sales and they did all that by piggybacking on steam's reputation. its a really fucking shady move.

Because ebil porn games and other vidya that "demean" women

It's one of those silly incel crusades that they concoct from time to time to keep themselves busy.

>origin and uplay don't pull shit like epic
>WHY DON'T YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT THESE
It's a flu versus cancer. Only one of these is usually life threatening even if they both suck ass.

>Look at CDPR, they are smart and avoid the Tencent Store like a plague.

epicgames.com/store/en-US/product/cyberpunk-2077/home

OH NO NO NO NO NO

CDPRdrones btfo

>copy/paste replies
Chinaman go and stay go.

I FUCKING BACKED 300 DOLLARIDOOS ON THIS SHIT
FUCK NOSTALGIAFAGGOTRY, I WILL NEVER BE THIS ATTACHED AGAIN except for .hack
I AM ABSOLUTELY
L I V I D
FUCK EPIC
FUCK CHINA
FUCK DEEPSILVER
FUCK YOU YU SUZUKI, I THOUGHT YOU WERE A BETTER MAN THAN THIS
SONY MONEY
BACKER RECORDBREAKING MONEY
DEEPSILVER MONEY
NOW YOU QUADRUPLE FUCKING DIP WITH EPIC???

MOST OF ALL FUCK YOU SHILLFAGGOTS STILL DEFENDING THIS SHIT
I CAN'T BE DEFENDED, I SUCK COCK AND AM A RETARD FOR BACKING, BUT DEFENDING SHIT LIKE THIS IS WHAT MAKES VIDYA DIE OUT

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They're allowed to, they're just insufferable pieces of shit for doing it.

Manchild post

What has Steam done to your brains?

Tencent pays for "exclusives" because nobody wants to use their shit garbo store. It's the only way they can have "sale numbers".
Other devs just go for Steam because they're smart and know the Tencent Store is a shit platform that nobody likes, except journos that shill for it non stop.
Tencent is getting desperate because they know they're failing, 90% of the public despises the store.

they're on steam too so they're not taking the chink bribe
there's literally no reason for them not to launch on EGS

CHINA BAD, CHINA BAD, CHI-

this image kills the steamdrone

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GOG is DRM free, which devs usually don't want to use for a variety of other reasons.

Even if what you said were true that's actual competition, as in, steam is the best client for developer and consumer alike. The EGS aren't offering competiton, they aren't offering a strong and legitimate alternative to Steam, they're offrring insane deals a developer would be verging on stupid to refuse (devs risk a TON on each game they make, a guaranteed financial success is a huge deal) while trying to force players to come to the client they may not support by measure of either quality or ideology by cutting out all of their other options.

Sweeney tried to weasel out of actually giving the EGS features at first by saying that players only cared about what games they can play and that Steam's "bloat" (a good chunk of which i actively use or am happy I could use in the future) is superfluous because players can just use 3rd party software. "We don't need steam friends because that's what discord is for" etc, fuck you. They think you're a moron.

They can, and I'm allowed to decry them for doing so.

Because Steam doesn’t have content policies that let them engage in large scale censorship under the guise of “moderation” and “curation.” that’s the main reason. You’ll note they started going after Steam hardcore after Valve got rid of Greenlight and announced a more or less open policy on releases.

Their vision is that every site is like YouTube and asks (((Vox))) and the (((ADL))) what should and shouldn’t be on the platform.

>40%
>just
They practically own the company's decision meetings, it's top investor tier

>coming soon
>can't pre order
are you stupid?

>>they are smart and avoid the Tencent Store like a plague.

That's not what you said.

China and Russia will rule the world and theres nothing you can do about it.
Big Brothers Xi and Putin are watching you. You cant run you cant hide.
Thank the god emperors Lenin and Max

They're doing it cause key arena is under renovations which is entirely out of their control

An American selling shit to the Chinese doesn’t somehow make China good.

>haha it's "allowed" so there's nothing wrong with it

Why can't they just fucking give refunds?

Are Steam drones all this illiterate? He said CDPR wouldn't put their game on the Epic Store; they did

boohoo, im so offended even though it changes nothing in the game.

I didn't say that

This changes nothing. I chose the PS4 version with the intent of pirating the PC version from the very beginning, even if it was Steam and not Epic.

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Exactly. It's just a store like Gamestop or fucking Walmart. No reason to get so upset about it

Would that also be illegal if they primarily changed from Epic Games Store to Steam?

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because they know 100% of the users that backed it will use Steam, and don't want the Tencent Store

t-t-there's nothing we could do, dude.
so you're telling me there is nothing wrong with tim selling 40% of his company to a chinease investor?

>they officially stopped support on the production of the new Unreal Tournament game so they could focus on Fortnite and the Epic Launcher
>Absolutely nobody wants the fucking DRM
>Fortnite's flavor-of-the-month popularity is finally dying off thanks to the excessive amounts of unfunny memes and the middle schoolers who play it moving on to High School

Stop arguing with people you're not actually arguing with, steam drone

Then open claims on everything taken away. They can't withhold things you've already paid for without a refund.

Take this as a life lesson. Stop spending your (I assume) hard earned cash on stupid shit like Kickstarter.

Why is this board so stupidly political, like everything has to be a left-right issue.
t. liberal who strongly prefers steam.

probably because

- Epic store didn't exist when this was backed
- Several cases prove that it was intended to be a steam release
- backer query's that tell you "steam client required"
- backer query's that make you choose a ps4 or steam version

>literally turned their back on their promises about a week before E3
>not offering physical disc / no drm version

>literally not seeing the harm in it or defending shit like this
fuck off epig

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They do this all the time.
>third party game news
>"game only on this console!"
>also on everything else 6-12 months later

LAWSUIT INCOMING BOYS

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All they want to do is use the backer numbers to say they had a great sale at launch. They already got shit on for the poor reception of sales with metro exodus

> steamdb.info/app/753/graphs/
> steam peaks during evening in China
OH NONONONO

I didn't invest in it because I never back early access, kickstarters, or any other bullshit that's gonna steal my money.

How do brand loyalists even function? When something is PS4 exclusive, it means that you need to buy that hardware to play that title. 'PC exclusivity' is just a buzz term for 'I would have to download another piece of software'. Don't get me wrong, some software is objectively fucking crap, GFWL springs to mind, but my god what a bunch of fucking babies you have to be to give a shit about buying a game from a different company. It's the same levels of dumbass zealotry you used to see over Apple vs Android.

I just can't fathom how ridiculously invested you need to be in in software, which by the way has never held itself to any particularly high standard, because it's been the de facto go-to for a while. Competition is healthy. Good on EPIC for throwing around their capitalism. Valve threw around their capitalistic value. They threw around their brand to get people to pay to publish their shitty games through their platform, and then garnish 30% off of those sales. Stop lauding Valve as a hero, it's deluded and stupid.

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What precedent does that set, though? It's pretty widely accepted that epic isn't actually a better client than steam at this point, so what does this actually communicate if they succeed? If you want to snag a foothold on the PC store market, you just start throwing your money the fuck around, pleasing the consumer doesn't actually matter.

Name a single thing stopping Google Stadia from buying up exclusives if google decides they want to start stealing the market.

because they did the work, those funders give them money for?
when will you idiots understand, that kickstarter is not a shop. you are funding and donating money there. you just get something in return

there's a difference between launching on a platform & selling your soul to it

>- Epic store didn't exist when this was backed
>- Several cases prove that it was intended to be a steam release

So proving that Steam is in fact a monopoly and why we need EGS

>Can't get those on anything but Steam
Is not
>Is exclusive to Steam
A publisher deciding not to offer their game on a different platform with not contracted to do so is a whole different thing than signing for an exclusivity deal.

CDPR avoids being bribed, and you still can't pre order the game, shill.

>steam
Try being an oldfag like me, having a precious series with a promise of almost endless story set across 4-5 games envisioned, which only 2 is available to be made
Then comes a chance for a 3rd and more installment via a kickstarter, your entire childhood resumed for a brief moment
Now with the stain that is this betrayal of the original fans's trust, ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE there will be the 4th or 5th game YS dreamed of

Imagine being a nostalgiagoggled oldfag like me. Oh right, you can't because you don't have any empathy.
Your parents will never love you, nor your glorious overlord, nor will you have sex and most of all you will never be happy.

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Post yfw you bet on the winning (or at least indisputably least shit) horse.

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Eh, there was no lawsuit for Phoenix Point, won't be here either.

Are you playing stupid on purpose? why?

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ONLY THE BOTNET I APPROVE OF IS ALLOWED AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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except gamestop doesnt scan your pc and report its findings to the chinese government

do you know why people wanted physical copy? so it would be free of DRM, and that's another point.
People now get physical box with only a shitty epic code in it.
Defend that you whore.

GOG exist
Origin Exist

And your post is a case proving you take dick up the ass.

>Apple vs Android
So overpiced garbage versus affordable? And you're confused over easy shit like that?
>Competition is healthy
Epic isn't competitive. They're just buying up exclusives which only hurts consumers you fucking retard because it drives up prices

>> steam peaks during evening in China
9pm is a weird time for peaks user
russia would be more fitting, at 4pm

Didn't those guys refunded for those got buttmad?

you are free to prove me wrong.

sorry, but journos are hardcore left and they hate Steam. That's all.

>A publisher deciding not to offer their game on a different platform with not contracted to do so is a whole different thing than signing for an exclusivity deal.

Everyone with an above room temperature knows Persona 5 is exclusive to PS4 (or SONY consoles like the PS3 if you want to get pedantic), nothing is stopping Atlus from porting it to Xbox or PC

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>No lawsuit yet
Fixed that for you

was there a promise of DRM free version tho?
nowadays when I buy a boxed copy I still assume it's just a disc with install files so you don't have to download & a steam key

>literally worse gameplay than a porn game
lol

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dailymotion and liveleak exist too. youtube is totally not a monopoly

Not part of the Epic deal.

>They're just buying up exclusives which only hurts consumers you fucking retard because it drives up prices
Abloo bloo bloo I don't understand capitalism. You hate the free market because it doesn't validate your indignantly stupid brand loyalty. The free market means EPIC are absolutely free to buy up publishing rights to games. Go whine at the music industry or something.

The games are on Steam because Steam has a very robust API that provides all these backend functions like multiplayer, achievements, leaderboards, etc. Something Epic doesn’t have, which is why Dangerous Driving launched on PC without leaderboards.

That’s right a fucking racing game launched without leaderboards in 2019 because of Epic and no “game journalists” wrote about it because they’re Tencent shills and/or commies who hate Steam.

>really like Anime Girl Panty Raider rpg
>they announce a sequel for Anime Girl Panty Raider
>you support them on GameBooter so you get access to the beta version & help them make the game
>they release the beta
>it's now a first person shooter with bara dudes
>wtf I want a refund
>why do you want a refund we did the work already

That also doesn’t somehow make China less awful it just lets China’s innate awfulness spread into Epic.

>people pay for Steam keys
>Kickstarter project says they're offering Steam keys options
>Tencent Store doesn't exist at the time
>LOLOL nvm that the Steam keys you paid for are not available anymore, just use the Epic store please, bye
Agsin, why are you defending a scam?

that's literally what a boxed copy used to be
it's not the customers fault if shitty AAA corporations use this to release unfinished games that they "patch later" or literal packages with nothing but an activation code.
This isn't what was ordered, plain and simple.

The game is mainly based on a nostalgia fad cash-in form the late 90s. Most of the boomers won't even mind, as long as the game satisfies their desire to play another shenmue and Lan Di's continuation.
But now there's pretty much no fucking chance another sequel is happening and that is squarely on epic.

Yeah, it's a business you retard, literally everybody is trying to make money by fucking people over

don't even bother explaining shit to Epic shills

>brand loyalty
No, steam is just superior. You're writing like a dumb 12-year old.
> I don't understand capitalism
So far it's you who don't seem to understand it. Steam offers the superior product and service and they're not forcing anyone to use it. Get it already manchild?

because phoenix point allowed people to refund you silly oaf

Their free will is.

the issue with free markets comes when it leads to less competition instead of more competition
if you have a single monopoly you've got issues, however if you have a free market where one company purchases exclusive rights to something you also end up in the same situation, even though it's a free market

Imagine if a company bought up all the wheat in the world, and sold it exclusively in their own stores, if you truly think that's how a free market should be and think that's healthy you're fucking braindead

>REEEEE I HAVE TO DOWNLOAD A FREE .EXE TO PLAY THIS GAME! LITERALLY CRIMINAL! HELP HELP CALL 911 YES HELLO POLICE A COMPANY MADE A DEAL WITH ANOTHER COMPANY AND NOW I HAVE TO DOWNLOAD A FREE LAUNCHER PLEASE COME QUICK
You dumb Valve drones just wait, this E3 was all about paid subscription services for games, soon we'll be getting paid service exclusives, and you'll fucking wish you only had to download a free .exe.

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So like Persona 5 is exclusive to PS4/PS3, Dark Souls games are exclusive to Steam on PC

>was there a promise of DRM free version tho?

No

Nigga, you still get to play the fucking game. Be fucking happy that Shenmue 3 is even happening. I know I am.
Stop being a fucking moron.

>BUT IT'S NOT ON STEAM.
So fucking what? Really. So fucking what.

I see you never had a job yet.

Correct.

if you don't explain shit they'll assume they won and feel good, as shown in >Everyone with an above room temperature knows

they know 100% of backers will use Steam.
they know the general public hates the Epic Store, that's why they don't give refunds.
Epic is getting desperate at this point. Throwing money wherever they can to make their unpopular store succeful, which fails more and more every time.

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I have kickstarted 2 things. Something /tg/ related and got my stuff. And subvcerse but i only put £20 in which i had spare so even if it is shit i dont care. Just did it for the memes n dreams.

If im not doing it for memes then i aint kickstarting a viedo game... ever. /tg/ stuff is fine though if the source is reputable.

Now you're getting it

Say Persona 5 and the upcoming Persona 5 Royale aren't PS4 exclusive

Go ahead

again, people didn't pay for steam keys.
people were asked if they want a steam key AFTER they already kickstarted it. nowhere on the main page did it say you get a steam key
i don't really understand how it applies in this situation, but if we talk stricktly about kickstarter, then yes, that is true. the only thing you buy on kickstarter is cat in a bag. you can never be sure if the project will even be finished. this is what you sign up for

I have, but I didn't come home at 9, I got home at 6
but the majority will likely still be people who go to school, which come home at about 4

>soon we'll be getting paid service exclusives

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Except they didn't pay for a steam key, they DONATED money for a hope of getting a steam key, they didn't no big deal.

>Steam offers the superior product and service and they're not forcing anyone to use it. Get it already manchild?
Then don't buy Shenmue. Vote with your wallet if you are actually stupid enough to give a shit about something as petty as which shop sells the game you want. Same premise, you don't have to use Amazon if you don't want to, but if manufacturers get a good deal selling through Amazon, you can bet they'll sell through them.

Fact of the matter is, kickstarter is not an entitlement to a product. It is not the exchange of monetary goods for a product. Ultimately, their decision was that they didn't think the value of the features Valve's Steam platform offered did not outweigh the benefits of publishing through EPIC (more money). Money drives capitalism bud.

>I got home at 6
Most people have something to do when they get home before getting on their PC and playing games. Like preparing dinner, spending time with family, etc. 21:00 is peak hours for a reason, retard.

>soon we'll be getting paid service STREAMING exclusives
This industry can't crash soon enough.

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>"invest"
Kickstarters are donations where you maybe get a product. An investment has a possibility of return. With a kickstarter, the BEST case scenario is you get what your money is worth, 1:1.

>EA Pass
>Xbox Game Pass
>Stadia

They'll have exclusives but thankfully I won't have to give a shit about the companies games in questions

>DRM-free
Don't be anti-Semitic!

Hasn't Deep Silver learned from Metro Exodus sales being a letdown on EGS?

Isn't it curious how the chink shills are back on the board again right after E3?

>Fact of the matter is, kickstarter is not an entitlement to a product
Read the Kickstarter TOS

people DID PAID FOR STEAM KEYS, you fucking retard.
Why are you so fucking stupid? You expect to have arguments being this retarded?

You can already play through the game on PC, and it's on PS3 which means it's not a PS4 exclusive either way
That's just not how it works. Not offering a refund is illegal, especially when it was advertised for years for Steam. Stop trying to BS people if you don't know what you're talking about

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You never win with kickstarter.

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with that little chink-sucking faggot at epic? Quit ruining the pc platform. I have way too many games now that I need to pirate.

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>What is a copyright

It matters when one launcher is lacking in so many features compared to another

That's the point. Accepting exclusives coming out on a mediocre free .exe is just a start. Even Origin and Xbox Pass is starting to put their foot in the door, and if 12% isn't as sustainable in other countries, paid subscription might be the way forward for EGS.

>whoa nigger what about this particular backstab
>they don't do nothing
>except completely nullifying any chance of sequels
>in which the director said there's like 2 more games AT LEAST
>when the 3rd game HAD to be kickstarted first before all these scummy corporations had a hand
>yea it's not important at all, fuck seeing the story to its end like the majority of backers on kickstarter originally meant to do
>yea it's not like the first 10 pages of the shenmue KS comment is about this
I'll still play it, but fuck you, niggerfaggot soulless insectoid.

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There's a reason why they extended their free game policy to the end of 2019.

The Microsoft partnership really spooked Tim.

>pc master race
>can’t even fucking agree on a launcher

Lmao

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I give them a couple of weeks before Deep Silver does the same thing they did for Metro Exodus. Those that backed will get a steam key they can activate but the game won't be available for purchase until the timed exclusive ends.

Someone redpill me on why one can’t simply download the Epic client and play this game.

People like you are the reason this industry is shit.

Kys

do epic shills realize the general public fucking despises the Epic Store? I wonder why they keep shilling it so hard when it's obvious 90% of the public hates it.

>such a fucking inbred you don't even see the issue with the line I quoted

They are, they guy you're replying to is spouting bullshit when there's other things he can complain about regarding kickstarter.

What if metro sold good? Have you thought of it?

They have to actually make the product. They don't have to give it to you afterwards.

>Not offering a refund is illegal, especially when it was advertised for years for Steam.
A refund is only a refund if there's a monetary purchase, with a receipt declaring the goods or services you received in exchange for moneys. So, I'll await the proof of purchase of goods or service. Until then, you aren't entitled to a refund.

Remember germophobes from the 90's? They're back, but on PC

youtube.com/watch?v=sf9T4pMw-_0

>console peasants
>can't even fucking agree on a console

But it didn't. You fucking idiot.

>They have to actually make the product. They don't have to give it to you afterwards.
Read the Kickstarter TOS

shut up shut up SHUT UP

>he doesn't turn on pc when he gets home immediately & cooks while chatting
lmao

they're getting paid anyway

That may be true for EA and MS as they will likely stick to first party exclusives, but Stadia is likely to leverage that Alphabet money to snap up a lot more than just that. If you think Epic has a lot of money to buy exclusivity, wait until you see what Alphabet can cough up.

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yes they can, everyone prefers Steam, and Epic knows it.
That's why they bribe.

again, nowhere on the main page did it say you get a steam key. you buy a pc game with a digital distribution. they just assumed it's for sure a steam game, because it's the only guy on the market at the time
people got a surver, after they donated:
hey, would you like a ps4 version or pc (steam key)
they even said before, that system requirements can change for a game in development.
if the game required more ram than previously written, would you scream for murder too?

I haven, but as they absolutely refuse to release numbers, I fucking doubt it.When a company only speaks in wide platitudes, the game probably underperformed.

>Posting a Maddox video unironically
Holy fucking shit

Remember Google+? Or Google Video? They give up faster than MS if something isn't working

you buy it though
if a company were to say "ah yeah you know what we're not giving you the game after all, you have to buy it", they'd get chargebacked by kickstarter

TIM MADE HIMSELF MORE HATED THAN EA THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF TIM

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> But it didn't.
THQN guy, GeForceWin literally said that Epic store were biggest digital platform for them during beginning of the year.

You're such a good little corporate cuck, but you are also wrong. Sorry.

If it makes you feel any better, Google scraps their plans willy-nilly at the slightest chance of failing

>free .exe
Costumer data costs money, chink.

I've come to enjoy seeing Tim, as wherever Tim is, Steam drone asshurt is sure to follow

>They hate it because it's the first actual competition Valve has faced, and they can't handle the idea of having multiple accounts and launchers for games.
People hate it because it's much worse than Steam and they're being forced to use it due to Epic throwing money at Publishers.

because that's the whole point they're here
you think viral marketers don't understand the game they shill is dogshit?

>maddox
>2019
dumb fucking zoomers shitting up this site.

>get bribed millions by epic for exclusivity
>Don't offer refunds with that money
That means digital sales of Exodus were absolutely trash.

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Can you source me on that please?

It's disingenuous to phrase this upset as "people are upset because it isn't on steam". If this was available as a standalone download that didn't require a certain platform due to exclusivity then nobody would be complaining, because then they could just add it to their steam library anyway. People are pissed because it's exclusive to the Epic store, which nobody who backed this game was expecting because the EPIC GAME STORE DIDN'T EVEN EXIST THEN.

>Terraria devs said no to the Tencent bribes
>Epic cuts off their trailer on the PC E3 showcase because they're mad at them
>nobody at the conference addresses this

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You're going to have to be more specific. Which clause do you not understand? Is it this?

>they offer to return any remaining funds to backers who have not received their reward (in proportion to the amounts pledged), or else explain how those funds will be used to complete the project in some alternate form.

Because, if they send you a key to your e-mail address, whether you validate it or not you have in fact received your reward. The term 'reward' is important, too, because that shows it is materially not a 'transaction' which would entitle you to a refund on the basis that you did not want the product.

So wait
The people who backed this only get an epic copy and need to pay for a steam copy or do they need to wait 1 whole year for the free copy?

I'd be really angry if it was either.

>do epic shills realize the general public fucking despises the Epic Store?

*Epic exclusive sells 500k+*

Yeah man I'm really seeing the hate from the general public

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what porn game? (for a friend)

Because it's just VR garbage.

Steam is a better service overall. And I don't want to support the communist party.

>you aren't entitled to a refund
Dumb shill. You are ALWAYS entitled to a refund

lol
Google launches 10 duds for every 1 successful product they create
Stadia is just another boondoggle like Hangouts or Allo

It's not coming to steam, ever.

>Calling anyone a drone when he literally cannot not take orders

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you can emulate the ps3 version
pc always wins
ALWAYS

>500k
>for an AAA game

when epic got invested in 2012, everything was good
when fortnite got created and popular, everything was good. everyone installed the launcher and it was good, because they wanted to try the new cool game.
when epic wanted to be an alternative to steam, tim got posessed by a satan and bad chinaman

>DRM as a good thing

pcgamesn.com/metro-exodus/sales

THEY OFFERED STEAM KEYS
100% OF BACKERS SAID THEY WANTED STEAM KEYS
why are you so adamnt on refusing the truth? that all backers want Steam, and Epic knows this, that's why they refuse to give refunds. Why are you still defending it?

Please don't post that face, and that's from one of the handful of people that were baiting Valve drones with it a week ago.

Why don't they just cancel the payments on their credit cards. It states in the TOS that you can cancel, increase or decrease payments before the final product is complete. I would block my credit card in the worst case, easy enough.

Satisfactory is not AAA you fucking Steam tard lmao

May as well say Risk of Rain 2 is AAA at that point.

>nobody addresses this
Why would they? Only favourable, approved critics are allowed at these things. Can't risk another goober gator.

>NO NUMBERS
Kek!

>Steam logos were on marketing materials, Steam game keys talked about in pledge tiers, and a Shenmue 3 Steam page has been around and updated for a long time.

they reached that AFTER a sale

>public fucking despises the Epic Store
what public?
nobody cares.
you just live in an echo chamber, like your brothers and 'sisters' at resetera and have to think you're always winning and in the right. it's literally a sect

The reward I chose in my kickstarter confirmation was a Steam key.
If I do not receive a steam key then I have not received my reward.

Go put money in a charity pot and ask for a refund.

I have literally never met anybody who has played Satisfactory

>AAA
Delusional.

I still can't believe Epic barely got any "good" exclusives during E3.

Like what? Chivalry 2?
Some zombie game?
A niche game from a series during the dreamcast era?
The shark game was probably the best one.
And I guess Autochess was the biggest one probably?

Anyone else surprised they got fuck all?

To the people arguing legality, having a eula is a legal gray area in the US and in the EU and many other places it carries no legal weight. Saying "oh they can do what le they want axoording to their document" won't necessarily hold up on court.

That's what you get for not bowing down to china, gweilo :^)

Based as fuck. Fuck steam and FUCK GABEN

>everyone installed the launcher and it was good
Never happened. Nobody but children and low IQ aspies cares about Fortnite.

Imagine throwing this much of a bitch fit because you have to download another free game launcher. Really activates my almonds

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I can't belive that after 5 months valve drones still can't accept that steam is dead. Brand loyalty is one thing, but this is pure delusion.

>100% OF BACKERS SAID THEY WANTED STEAM KEYS
i wonder why. it's almost like any other pc distribution wasn't listed.
hmmmm

Just chargeback you whiny fuck.

>monopoly

> REEEEEEEEE ITS ALL LIE IT CAN ONLY BE STEAM REEEEE

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No one wants your shit launcher.

>And I guess Autochess was the biggest one probably?
wat?
isn't volvo making autochess?
how the fuck does EGS get autochess if valve is making it

you still refuse to see the truth? Nobody likes your shilled store except journos and shills.
Nobody

There are always plenty of people willing to eat shit when they're hungry.

>journalists
>saying something bad about a Chinese-backed company

>Steam game keys talked about in pledge tier
no it wasn't
check archive.org
i did

>Have choice between PS4 or PC
Inb4 the bug an cried that PS4 isn't PC

There's a screenshot of YsNet emails floating around, all saying Steam Client, just gotta find it on the sea of salt that is shenmue KS comment/steam forums my man

Did valve bribe the Publisher to make it exclusive?

NO DON'T EXPOSE MY BULLSHIT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

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At least you are getting paid good money on your tencent account to defend the shitty commie service.

>early access is good

fucking zoomers

Nice pilpul Shlomo.

The games requirements ALWAYS said “Steam client required.” As long as the game had system requirements or said Steam client. When you selected your version you explicitly selected Steam client.

It is REASONABLE to assume that meant people thought they were getting a Steam key. To say now that it doesn’t mean that is incredibly disingenuous. Especially since the day they made the announcement they changed it to “EGS client required.”

remember when you didnt need 3rd party websites to play video games? you just bought a disc and put it in? i miss those days

>they boasted about the sales numbers AFTER CUTTING THE PRICE TO ALMOST NOTHING

web.archive.org/web/20150618012738/https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ysnet/shenmue-3
>ctrl-f Steam
>no results
Where did they mention it?

>not doing a charge back on your card saying you got scammed

This. Let them argue with the credit card companies. They'll back down and you'll get your refund.

>literally started with hl2 exclusivity

>The games requirements ALWAYS said “Steam client required.”
yes, and it also said, 'system requiremets due to change, game in development'
your point?

Literally would have sold double on Steam. Risk of Rain 2 sold a million in a shorter amount of time and is probably pushing 1.5-2 by now. All at full price.

Why didn't they ask? I'm fine with Battlenet, uPlay and Origin. I even have a Discord and itch.io account.

It's literally created for competition to a monopoly service...you know like capitalism

NO NUMBERS
U
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but hasn't the money already been paid?

Check the archived versions of the same page. They pulled a sneaky one and prayed people would not discover.

>t....they never said steam keys!! b.....better deny all evidence of it!!

>cut price by almost 50% and all your competition gets taken off the store
>"wow look our sales increased a bunch"

It sold better on egs than it would sell on steam. I'm from the future, steam is going to die in the late 2020. You're welcome

>Not wanting to use a shit service is brand loyalty

Shenmue 3 is fucking shit anyway.

99.9% of everyone on Yea Forums didn't even give half a shit about it last week.

Mass report the kike starter

Never before has this part of the game been more relevant.

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>completely nullifying any chance of sequels
I don't see how getting extra money from Deep Silver and Epic is going to stop that. If anything, it means more money going toward a possible 4 and 5. Which I think is fucking retarded anyway. Ryu is in fucking China, what else is there to fucking do?
We're living in the timeline where this even happened. I put $500 into the kickstarter and slacker-backer. I want to play the game too, but a fourth and a fifth is fucking dumb. Don't drag it on.

Valve is making their own Dota Autochess while some chink involved with the mod sold out to a chink company and is making a chink version of it. Gee, I wonder which will be more successful.

>Backers pays to get game made
>Epic pays for my free copy when I pirate the game

I'm feeling pretty good

Address what? You think they should advertise non partners in they own sponsored show? Are you retarded?

kek this

>web.archive.org/web/20150618012738/https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ysnet/shenmue-3
It says 'Digital Copy'. If they give you an Epic key, are you not receiving a digital copy? Steam would just be the distribution method. It'd be like refusing a reward because you disliked which courier they were using to deliver your item.

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dilate

And Deep Silver still uses steam forums and the steam store to advertise their "games"
Truly a clown world.

No need to use an archive here’s an old update when they sent out surveys.

kickstarter.com/projects/ysnet/shenmue-3/posts/2376718

Look at the system requirements. Steam is clearly listed there.

>competition
You mean bribing developers for exclusivity on you product which is 1000% worse than your competitor? Even GoG is more preferable just because I don't have to worry about chink nightmare regimes getting my money.

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Well yes,are you not aware how this shit work?

>It sold better on egs than it would sell on steam
no chance in hell mr future man

You have to remember. Kids don't give a shit about who gets paid and numbers in general.

They just want to play what's popular and colorful

how many layers of irony are you in?

but I thought volvo was making it alongside the chinkers
from what I read the chinkers would be making a mobile version & volvo would be making the pc version

But Yu said it's still not enough even with 3 games?
>you now remember Shenmue 2 had 4 (FOUR) fucking discs to go through

Nice.

I can't believe I fucking laughed at this trash.

and? what does it matter? i thought everyone hates epic and would never buy anything there?
and why would they ask? it's their business decision where do they sell. i'm assuming they want to sell more than 2 copies of the game that they would sell on itch or discord.
i'm pretty sure origin, battlenet and uplay did not sell 3rd party games on their shop then and 2 of them still don't and discord didn't exist then. so much choice

Welcome to capitalism retard.

Most games don't even use most of those functions in steam, almost seems like a moot point

Be a retarded underage steam drone

AND to do damage control!
Truly, truly ebin.
steamcommunity.com/app/878670/discussions/0/1640913421090621528/

>this is pure delusion.
>valve drones still can't accept that steam is dead.

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What’s wrong with bribes, steamtard?

Cant handle daddy Gabe spending his last millions in getting exclusive rights to a good game instead of being infested with trash?

>Steam is listed there
Wow, it is, this pro--
>*Game is currently in development so system requirements may change without notice. We thank you for your understanding.
Oh.

you think Yu Suzuki has anything to do with this? I don't think he would approve of this scam

What about answering the question?

the project reached the fundraising goal 4 years ago....

>capitalism is competing by making a worse version of the product
ok retard

I'm fine with using the Epic Store if they give me a consumer-friendly reason to use it (lower price on the game compared to other stores). The shit they are pulling here means I have to use a shit service because Epic can't compete by offering something better.

Valve is making a version that will be on Steam obviously and the devs behind the mod are making one exclusive to EGS and a mobile version.

It doesn't matter. Gaben sold valve to tencent, tim was assassinated by rice ninjas. In 2021 the only store we have is "tencent gaming buddy"

>Grug was promised one DRM platform
>Grug gets another DRM platform
>Grug not happy, wants stone coins back

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he listed website from 2015. ball is in your court. where is the lie?

I'm from the future of your future, after the Timbot is slain by the resistance, Steam is set up as a symbolic legacy store to commemorate the death of the Tencent Empire

>What’s wrong with bribes, steamtard?

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>there are people that still think kickstarter is some kind of storefront to buy things

They voluntarily donated their money. I can't give money to the homeless shelter and ask for it back if they serve beef stew instead of clam chowder. They should just be happy the game is coming out at all and the devs didn't shut down the project and run with the money.

That's how it works in real life underage kid, you think companies are fair and respectable?

>EGL and Steam are the same

Bribes are corruption.

The Shenmue story was always going to be 17 chapters or so. First game was chapter 1. Second game was 2-6 or something I can’t remember. Don’t know where this game will land but I doubt it’s all the rest. Bottom line we will be in unfinished story limbo as soon as this game is done just like we were when Shenmue 2 tanked.

He used to be a pretty cool guy and i would like to think he still stayed the same.
Probably DS whispering to him sweet little lies
>hey nipponese theres an ez money, with these you can develop your game further
>you just need to not release it on this, this and this and only release it on this specific thing
>we'll handle it yeah? you keep making the game
>domo arigato hai desu
Of course, this is still best case scenario.

>companies compete by making the worst version of the product possible, that's how it works in real life underage kid

but they are offering something better: games not available anywhere else. you're just moving the goalpost

*EGS fuck