US copyright law traces its lineage back to the British Statute of Anne...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States

>US copyright law traces its lineage back to the British Statute of Anne, which influenced the first US federal copyright law, the Copyright Act of 1790. The length of copyright established by the Founding Fathers was short, 14 years, plus the ability to renew it one time, for 14 more. 50 years later, it was changed to 28 years. It was not until a full 180 years after its establishment that it was significantly extended beyond that, in Copyright Act of 1976 to "Either 75 years or the life of the author plus 50 years". and the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998 (also called the "Mickey Mouse Protection Act", because it prevented the copyright from expiring on the first commercial success of the cartoon character Mickey Mouse), which increased it even more, to 120 years, or the life of the author plus 70 years.

The 1976 and 1998 laws need to be repealed. Imagine in 4 years you're allowed to start your own company that sells its own Pokemon game. But no. Nintendo Corp. owns Pokemon until we're all dead and will even own it during our children's lifetime. Imagine how many jobs that would be created if Star Wars, Pokemon, Mario and others are allowed to freely be created upon? Instead it's monopolized by one company. They argue it saves jobs, no it saves their jobs, that they control. New jobs can easily be created if these titles enter the public domain.

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This issue is actually a lot more complicated than you think, since trade deals, treaties and trademarks are also at play

no, not really. this is literally no different than the really poor Brexit arguments

Even if you manage to wringle yourself out of the treaties in place that protect copyrights in international markets (which are pretty much all based on US copyright laws), the biggest problem is still the Trademarks.
Lets take Pokèmon Red as an example. Lets say that its fallen into public domain and you want to make a game based on it (lets call it Pokèmon Orange) using its assets. This isn't a problem as the game itself is Public Domain. The problem now is that you can't use any of the Pokèmon names or even call your new game Pokèmon, because Nintendo still owns the Trademarks for those and will continue to hold those until the company is defunct or they stop enforcing their trademarks.

Copyright itself is actually immoral and an overreach of state power. The idea that the state can control what ideas you can have is wrong.

Autism at its finest

It's not ideas you can HAVE, it's what ideas you can monetize. There are plenty of fair exceptions to copyright in terms of parody, criticism, and education.

I say we repeal it anyway and let the entire system crumble in on itself. Let the trade deals, treaties and trademarks come crashing down.

Kikes

You have very little understanding of copyright law. Sherlock Holmes was once owned by another company, and yes, trademarked, but that has long since passed and now it's freely available to use with next to no restriction.

The point is that it enables people to monetize their creations, but it was only supposed to last 14-28 years, and then you had to create new works and not be a lazy bum. The problem is, it's been taken over by corporations who want to control it for 100 years, and then cry they'll have to lay off everyone if the law is repealed. I say they can go fuck themselves. There would be thousands of new jobs created if that happened, but it wouldn't be under their control.

It has nothing to do with monetization, and that has been proven time and time again. It is simply a infrigement on free expression to protect large corporations who are paying every person in every aspect of the system so you can never get rid of these clearly unconstitutional laws.

It also creates a general problem with quality control and name brand trust. If you make something really good based on a property, but 20 other people are making utter garbage, people will not buy your product simply out of association.

Except it also harms people who don't want to monetize it, like emulating games. It's even illegal to emulate a game you legally own, because blah blah you're bypassing DRM protection.

>Arabian women

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This was originally posted on leddit pt1:

Copyright, in modern times, has been perverted so extensively that it now causes the opposite of what it was originally intended to.

So here is how it started, way back in 1790:

>The Congress shall have Power...to promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.

As you can see, the intent of copyright was to "promote the progress of science and useful arts" which includes art like painting, music, and film.

By granting ownership of an idea, the creator of that idea is able to profit off of it. This, in turn, creates a financial incentive for artists to create new ideas.

But, unlike physical property, there is no practical reason for "intellectual property" to be protected. Physical property, for example, is a shirt. It is important to know who a shirt belongs to. If you and me disagree about who owns a shirt, there's a problem because only one of us can wear the shirt. If we both tried it would tear in half. Physical property is a house. If we disagree about who owns a house, we need to find the answer. We can't both live there with our families, setting our own schedules. Thus, shirts and houses are physical property that need to be protected by law.

Intellectual property is different because an idea can be shared. I can tell you the idea of a superhero I had, and I don't lose an ounce of it. A thousand people can have the same idea and it does not break. It does not need to be protected.

Thus, the sole purpose of granting ownership to an idea is to "promote the progress of science and useful arts." By offering ownership to ideas, Congress hopes that I will make my idea a reality by writing a story, making a film etc. - thus adding to the commonwealth that we all enjoy.

So does modern copyright do this? Yes, sometimes...but it usually does the opposite instead.

Over the past two hundred and thirty years, a critical perversion to copyright law was the loss of "limited terms." To show you this, here is a timeline of major changes to copyright law:

Copyright Act of 1790 – established U.S. copyright with term of 14 years with 14-year renewal

Copyright Act of 1831 – extended the term to 28 years with 14-year renewal

Copyright Act of 1909 – extended term to 28 years with 28-year renewal

Copyright Renewal Act of 1992 – removed the requirement for renewal

Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998 – extended terms to 95/120 years or life plus 70 years

Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 (DMCA) – criminalized some cases of copyright infringement and established the Section 512 notice-and-takedown regime.

As you can see, the original duration of copyright was 14 years with an option to renew once (for a maximum of 28 years total.)

This is almost unimaginable compared to today's concept of copyright, which can last for 120 years or more automatically, and 70 years at a minimum. Yes, the minimum duration is now two and a half times longer than the maximum was originally. Wow!

What does this mean?
Established brands are much easier to market, and therefore less risky. This makes everlasting copyright an important tool for the giants of modern entertainment like Disney. Why fund a director's new idea for a superhero when you can just pump out Spider-Man 17? Or Toy Story 5? Or Star Wars Episode 21?

Ironically, this means that copyright has been twisted to now lead to less creativity and new ideas making it to film.

On the other hand, it also robs the commonwealth of the ability to express their own culture. The children who grew up with A New Hope turned 41 this year. Think about that...they were born into a world where Star Wars has always existed (from their perspective), they got education, careers, their own families. Some went to film school, or became writers because they were inspired by Star Wars. But sadly, they will most likely retire and die in a world where they never got to make a dollar adding to the thing they loved.

So who gets to make a Star Wars film instead? Only whoever Kathleen Kennedy (CEO of Lucasfilm) feels like...Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams, I guess. Out of an entire generation and culture.

You might mention fan films or fan fiction as a counter-point but this is irrelevant. By removing the ability to profit, these writers would be foolish to spend the time and energy (for writing) and the money (for filming) necessary to bring those stories to life. People need to eat, they can't go into crippling debt just to express their culture. So, without a way to profit, fan fiction and film will always be a very low tier of art - rushed out, passion projects or just for practice/experience - meaningless in the large scale of things.

What would Star Wars look like without the perversion of copyright?
Continuing with Star Wars as an example, let's imagine for a minute that copyright worked the way a modern researcher determined would be mathematically optimal - 15 years automatically with no renewal.
arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2007/07/research-optimal-copyright-term-is-14-years/

It may seem crazy, but let's roll with it.

Copyright begins at publication. For Star Wars, this was 1977 - but not all of Star Wars. Some elements did not premiere until later. Therefore, certain elements would enter the public domain later than others. For example:

1977 - Luke Skywalker, The Death Star, lightsabers, Tatooine

1980 - Hoth, Lando, Yoda and AT-ATs

1983 - The Emperor, Endor, thermal detonators and Admiral Ackbar

Hypothetically, these ideas would enter public domain 15 years later, in:

1992 - Luke Skywalker, The Death Star, lightsabers, Tatooine

1995 - Hoth, Lando, Yoda and AT-ATs

1998 - The Emperor, Endor, thermal detonators and Admiral Ackbar

This means that, by 1999, anyone could publish their own Star Wars book using every character, planet, concept from the original trilogy (like Han Solo, Cloud City or The Force) and have it available for sale on the shelves of Barnes and Noble. And any producer with the funds could greenlight a film.

Just like that, suddenly entertainment business would need to compete to bring us the best possible Star Wars they could. Fox, Sony, Disney would all be sending scripts to Mark Hamill and Carrie Fischer - tripping over themselves to write the best story they could create - trying to convince them to take the role. Copies sent off to Lucas for that incredibly valuable "author approved" signature.

What did we get in 1999 instead? The Phantom Menace. And everybody got tricked into buying the Special Editions.

Which version of 1999 would you prefer?

As it is, Disney can offer whatever quality they want - even if it's garbage. They have a monopoly on the property. They could decided tomorrow that they don't want any more new Star Wars. They could sit on the property for 50 years, publishing nothing - no new books, films, games, nothing - and there's not a thing we could do about it.

A cornerstone of our culture...complete control.

Wouldn't this be unfair to George Lucas and original creators?
No. Fifteen years is a long time.

By 1999, Lucas was worth over $2 billion. articles.latimes.com/1998/sep/28/business/fi-27203 Not bad...an entire generation of fans had thanked him for adding to our culture by giving him a huge pile of money. And, since the property would be free to anyone there would be nothing stopping Lucas from continuing to sell stories from the galaxy he created. As a bonus, anything with his name attached would always have the advantage at the box office.

Another example to look at would be J.K. Rowling. Fifteen years after she published Sorceror's Stone, Rowling was already so tired of being a billionaire businessinsider.com/jk-rowling-is-no-longer-a-billionaire-booted-off-forbes-list-2012-3 that she donated $160 million to charity. Again, not a bad trade for enriching our culture by sharing her idea.

Fifteen years is a long time.

So how did this happen?
Well, in short, because nobody cares. Or, at least...they didn't. The problem of copyright is extremely complicated, and the victims are hard to notice.

Who cares if a thousand great Star Wars books are never written, because there's no money in it? Who cares if a thousand directors and screenwriters never film a single scene in that galaxy they grew up imagining? It's an abstract ailment.

On the other hand...who cares if all we get is garbage from here on out - and the Star Wars brand dies because it's being run by a corporation that has no creativity or love of the source material? A corporation who sees Star Wars, not as a cultural cornerstone, but an asset to be squeezed of every last dollar. And when it finally disappears some pundit will say "This is how it had to be. It was all just nostalgia from the beginning." and everyone will go back to sleep. This sounds more familiar. Seems to become more concrete by the day, doesn't it?

I look especially to the DC characters like Batman and Superman. A viable live-action version of Superman flying hit theaters in 1978 but, because of everlasting copyright law, Batman and Superman didn't meet on screen for another 40 years, and then the result was a complete corporate embarrassment. Despite this, DC has yet to fix their course, and why should they? It's not like anybody else can make a competing film with the characters...

So maybe we're finally nearing the breaking point.

Maybe Axanar was the canary in the coalmine. Maybe Aperion was the shot across the bow.

I guess we'll see.

/end

Sorry for the retarded reddit spacing. reddit is faggy as hell but this fag is 100% right

Not true, Doyle's Estate still owns the trademark and some copyrights regarding some later books, they don't own the character sherlock holmes though.

The Disney extension is definitely overkill, but why the fuck should you be allowed to make money off of something that I created if I want exclusive rights to it?
Pro Tip: You shouldn't be able to, fuck off commie

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>Just like that, suddenly entertainment business would need to compete to bring us the best possible Star Wars they could. Fox, Sony, Disney would all be sending scripts to Mark Hamill and Carrie Fischer - tripping over themselves to write the best story they could create - trying to convince them to take the role. Copies sent off to Lucas for that incredibly valuable "author approved" signature.
That sounds like a nightmare.

Yes, copyright law is retarded and IP is an absurd concept.

By the way Yea Forums, might i interest you in super-capitalism?

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This.
>make something
>some random fag copies it and earns money from your work
Nah, fuck off

Are you fucking stupid? You are literally forbidden from freely sharing software, ebooks and music without hurting a single ant in the process of doing so. I can unplug my HDD right now and hand it over to you so you can plug it into your computer, and I'd be a criminal for every distinct software installed on it, starting from the OS itself

>n-n-no you're not a criminal they're just b-bluffing
Yeah tell that to the tracker hosts who get literally extradited from their countries to serve decades in the US just because they acted as a search engine without actually having anything uploaded there.

Modern IP laws are just modern version of chartered companies where the public is banned from stepping inside that monopoly so that monopoly is promoted and enforced to the rest of the world at the benefit of the originator nation getting the tax from it, and you must be seriously deluded or retarded to defend that without being a part of the corporations who benefit from it.

>having the government dictate what art you can and can not make
You're the communist here you dumb fucking cuck.

How about you just be original and make something new? If it weren't for copyright, entertainment would look a lot like 9gag's front page; nothing but regurgitated low quality screenshots of something that once was original and interesting.

>This means that, by 1999, anyone could publish their own Star Wars book using every character, planet, concept from the original trilogy
And it would completely ruin the IP by oversaturating the market with piss-poor quality projects, not to mention throwing any sort of cohesiveness and linearity within the overarching storyline out of wack

Art has been copied forever you dumb boomer kike tranny

This. Only Disney and occasionally WB coast off of adapting public domain stories. People wouldn't give a damn if Disney didn't do it.

You say that but currently we have ridiculously long lasting copy right and things are exactly how you just described them.

And yet you complain about government regulations on lootboxes, ya damn hypocrite.

>nooo government should only get involved if I can profit!

because, you lazy bernie supporter, we want you to create NEW content, instead of slouching around collecting money for doing something decades ago

Yea Forums I promise you this. I will make an expensive infographic production video about this reddit post. I will make sure it goes viral. There is NOTHING these companies can do to suppress it. This means a national campaign and it won't even cost a lot. Liberals and conservatives will support it, bernie, ocasio cortez, trump, cruz supporters will back it. They hate big corporations. They hate disney. The people run this country, not them.

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>nooo government should only get involved if I can profit!
yeah. you cannot prove me wrong.

>the world is black or white

Didn't nintendo shut down people making fan made games, with no mention of monetization in the past?

sounds like it It would only be worse without copyright

They're not dictating what you can or can't make you dumb cunt, they're dictating what you can release into the market and protecting the creator's interests
Look at any fanfic or fan film, they're still using the IP legally, it's just not monetized, and usually for good cause because they're fucking dogshit

Good point. Disney can create a lot of new things. Frozen, for example, is their IP, and Disney has a right to keep that, and profit off of it for 15 years, but not 100 years.

They need to be forced to make new IP, not recycle old ones which is happening right now.

Frozen is based off a public domain story

Disney made their fortune stealing stories from other people and now they've locked down the law so no one can do the same for them. Any more than life of the original creator is obcene.

>They hate big corporations. They hate disney.
No they don't. Every single politician in the west is paid by big corporations. That's why they advocate for open borders (lower labor costs) or cutting corporate tax rate. You're far too optimisitc. There is nothing any of us can do besides shitpost on Yea Forums about it.

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Yes they are dictating what art you can make you dumb fucking cuck. Copyright is literal tyranny and is an abortion of justice. You can not own ideas you fucking cuckold faggot.

If we would remove movies/series/games based of books, we would probably be left pretty empty handed

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Most of it was fairly original. Kind of like the Lion King, while based off of Hamlet, still had original characters per se

No it doesn't. It's as simple as rebranding it to Disney's Mickey Mouse.

>kikes complain that its not fair if people steal their ideas
>art has been copied literally since we started making art
>kikes pretend it's about capitalism when they actually want to use socialism (increasing power of the state) to stop you from copying their art
Bravo, kikes. The doublethink is strong in you.

You are right, but I'm talking about the grassroots candidates who are the voices of the majority to shut them up

It's that simple branding wise, but normies are retarded. They don't even know the difference between Disney, Dreamworks and Bluesky.

Dilate.

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Man, lion king has some great animation.

Copyright law should be like trademark law but with a limit of 50 years of protection
10 year copyright terms, renewable up to four times, use it or lose it.

>You can't own ideas
And I'm the cuckold? If you have a great idea for a project, be it art/film/vidya/tech/whatever, anyone else should be able to pillage it for themselves? What you're describing sounds infinitely more cuck-ish you irredeemable waste of oxygen

Imagine if TF2 become public domain and anybody could work on it.

Shit would be huge.

Just sayin'.

this
the current system doesn't work well but getting rid of it outright would be dogdick retarded

0:20 to 0:28 is downright criminal

Yes, because ideas are not property you kike

Ah yes gotta prevent those idea thieves from reading your mind and stealing those thoughts out of your head, because that's happening. Thank you based Disney for stopping the thought thieves!!!

Nothing stops you from making romhacks or pokemon essential, or gardevoir waifus in 3d posers as long as you don't sell or distribute it.

t. chink subhuman

is this chinese astroturfing

this, it would turn Star Wars into a bunch of Chinese knockoffs with no quality control

t. retard who wants daddy government to fuck his ass because he is a bugman who submits to authority without question

>Intellectual Property
>Property
It's literally in the fucking name you mouthbreather lmao

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Try harder, tranny kike. Chinks, being socialists, advocate for copyright when it comes to their own citizens. So you are ideologically aligned with them. Lmao.

So you’re gay too. Figures.

>laws = morality

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The last thing the world needs is more gimmicky rehashed cancer derivative games from the same handful IPs. Kill yourself, you autistic inbreed manchild.

I used the term art. Tranny kikes like you need to engage in pilpul because you know people won't accept your shitty weak arguments for more socialism.

>Chinks, being socialists, advocate for copyright

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You can't own something that doesn't exist.

Copyright law is absolutely fucked, it's actually been shown in studies to be actively damaging to culture but corporate profits are more important than the free evolution of ideas.
Imagine if modern copyright exists basically 200 years ago, no Sherlock Holmes adaptions, no Brothers Grimm adaptions, all those classic penguin books would be most likely rotting away in a safe somewhere, most classical art would be private and unable to be reproduced.

Copyright should be 25 years. I have no idea why people think it's perfectly fine for patents to have a limited exclusivity term but a simple "idea" should be monopolised for 150 odd years.

Video games aren’t art, lol

>chinks advocate for copyright

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I don't know if SW could get worse right now, but you have a point for other copyrighted media

though even if you're given """only""" 30 years of exclusive rights to your ideas, if you can't use them well in that time someone else should have a go. Maybe this would just fuck it all up but it should give some quality vidya if fangames/mods are anything to go by.

>implying chinks ever gave a fuck about copyright law

they're still covered under copyright regardless

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property_in_China

they made it, it's theirs, fuck off comie

>it's actually been shown in studies to be actively damaging to culture

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>The enforcement of protection of intellectual property rights is particularly difficult in the PRC. Without adequate education with regard to IPRs, there is little awareness that infringement is a crime.
>Chinese government-sponsored search-engine Baidu provides links to third-party websites that offer online counterfeit products as well as access to counterfeit hardware and merchandise. The Chinese government dominates 70% of its country's search engine revenue and has been called on by US officials to limit the activity of online counterfeiting groups
lmao

>socialism
>protecting one's property from others is socialism
Holy fuck stop using buzzwords when you can't even use them correctly

Besides the obvious shills that are paid off in the government I think for normal people it's just a matter of not understanding that laws are not a moral code. Most people are brainlets who can barely figure out basic shit, so the idea that the government isn't actually the entity which decides what is right and wrong is really hard for them to wrap their brains around. For that reason, once a law exists it is hard to get anyone to do anything about it, no matter how unjust it is.

Do wojack supporters activity support jews now?

anyone is still free to make their own little mermaid, not like anyone would watch it without the disney logo slapped on it, but you can

>make no money doing it

that's what's stopping the best talent from getting into this. it's a hobby done on free time, so we don't see the best. Imagine if we did? Imagine there was a legitimate profit motive over all of the rom hacks we have now? the power of the people would run circles around these giant corporations.

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>t. you

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>Holy fuck stop using buzzwords when you can't even use them correctly
Socialism is literally increasing the power of the state to enforce your version of the law. I know the cognitive dissonance must be biting real hard right now, but you need to know the facts.

what would motivate that best talent if as soon as they make it public someone can buy it, change the name, add an extra hat, and sell it for no effort

tfw no arab gf

chinks already steal copyright. So no.

Didn't you read the post? A simple seal of approval would remedy this. Also the original actors would help.

This happened when Bruce Lee died, immediately there were other movies with actors named Bruce Lee that came out, but that didn't diminish his name, or financially ruin his family.

>gimmicky rehashed cancer
we have EXACTLY that right now, anyone with a set of eyes knows that

For 15-25 years. Why should they own it for 100 years? How the fuck does that promote culture? The whole point is that you, as an artist or creator, get up off your ass after FIFTEEN YEARS and create new content instead of bleeding dry your existing content for your entire life and the next.

This this this

>one's property
>something that doesn't actual exist
Guess what I own this post and now you're reading it whichs means the words from it are now in your brain, which means you've stolen my property. I'm calling my lawyers right now.

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So, that totally happens with Sherlock Holmes shit in 2019.

The rom hack would be protected if the creator adds new content to it. That would fall under new copyright, for another 15 years. so your argument doesn't stand.

>The whole point is that you, as an artist or creator, get up off your ass after FIFTEEN YEARS and create new content instead of bleeding dry your existing content for your entire life and the next.
why? if I had an stupid good idead that retards buy forever why should I? just because some butthurt neckbear didn't think about it first and shitpost on th internet trying to get ym stuff for free he can go fuck himself

You're a fucking idiot.

Look at the works that Disney copied. Even with modern versions of copyright laws the stories fall under fair use. Nothing is stopping you from making your own version Beauty and Beast, Magic Lamp or whatever else, as long as you base it on the original work like Disney did, rather than work that popularized the old tale.

Because if you wrote any kind of story it's 100% guaranteed to have things and ideas from stories you heard that came before the invention of copyright.

arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2007/07/research-optimal-copyright-term-is-14-years/

You're basically proposing cultural rot. That's what's happening right now. Putting more creations into the public domain is good. That was the original purpose when the constitution was signed, monetize art, then bring it to the public domain for all to enjoy. Artist gets his money, future generations get rewarded. That is not the case in 2019

>Even with modern versions of copyright laws the stories fall under fair use
>kimba

This, to get better things must always get worse.

not my problem
>muh culture
unironically don't care

>Star Wars, Pokemon, Mario
>Keeping these locked up for the rest of our lives AND OUR CHILDREN'S LIVES
>Thinks that's okay.

you're the jewfag, idiot.

So...we're supposed to just ride on the talent of creative people? Why not make something yourself? If you just want to make money off pokemon ripoffs you're pretty much admitting you have no originality and just want to be a fucking leech. Which is a core of your terrible generation but maybe try to rise above that.

These laws become increasingly retarded when you consider that the internet exists now so 10 years in 1970 is 1 year culturally now.

It's literally fucking not. The concept lays in social ownership, where do you think all that 'seize the means of production' horseshit comes from you fuckwit? Google the fucking word holy shit

From the looks of thing, it seems that there will be no copyright extension anymore and we are gonna see those old Mickey Mouse cartoon hit the public domain.

This poster is a kike engaging in pilpul

didn't read lol

Nintendo is the leech. They are milking the success of Pokemon, and will do so for another 100 years. This was never the original intentions of the U.S. constitution. The original purpose was to promote creative works, not lock them down by a handful of corporations. You're not going to win this argument.

No one except you is talking about ownership you dumb nigger. You can't own an idea. It actually isn't possible.

All culture is derivative, there has never been such a thing as "making something new"

>Socialismis aneconomicandpoliticalsystem where the ways of making a living (factories, offices, etc.) are owned by the workers who run them and the people who depend on them, meaning the value made belongs to the people who make it, instead of a group of private owners. People who agree with this type of system are called socialists.[1]There are two ways socialists think of the way society can own the means of makingwealth: either thestate(governmentof the country) is used or worker-ownedcooperativesare used
>There are two ways socialists think of the way society can own the means of makingwealth: either thestate(governmentof the country) is used

So Unions in control of everything? How is that better?

True, that was pretty fucked up.

Yes, it is okay. You are much better off trying to create your own new original property than trying to leech off success of something that is still in clear in public concious.
And with current copyright law, those properties will be free game during your childrens' lifetime.

urinocially yes, it's each person job to be smart and not get fucked
tired of getting fed the same shit and want someting new? stop buying it and make the autor get off his ass and make something new because it's in th interest of his own survival
if they want to be retarded consumers then food for retards is what they deserve, nothing more

I think a copyright law of lifetime of creator + 50 years is fair. No need for it to be longer or shorter then that. Especially shorter. You actually think it would be a good thing if something like Mario went to the public domain? Hell no. The surge of cheap Chinese bootlegs, the surge of cheap garbage that would emerge, no thanks.

>vote with your wallet
gb2r you kike shill.

Gamefreak created the Pokemon for Nintendo, they are free to milk the franchise to all its worth. You can not leech off from something that is legally yours.

Yes because the corpse of Miyamoto really needs those 50+ years of royalties, thats gonna really motivate his corpse to be more creative.

>Thread about copyright law and IP
>Not about ownership
>You can't own an idea
Except that you've been able to for the last 200 years big guy
hey look i can do it too
>Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.

Rather, the intention is to protect the families of indiviuals. If somebody manages to make something profitable and still keep the ownership, then it will still benefit their family even after the original creator dies.

Trademarks are something you sell, as in a product.
Pokemons and characters are not protected as a trade mark. The specific game is.
If you make Pokemon Neon or some shit you're not infringing on the other trade marks of Pokemon Black&White.
Trademarks are also something you need to protect and continuously stake ownership of and no court would apply them as IP rights.
The Big Mac lost it's trade mark in Europe because they decided it was too generic and Mc.D didn't prove presence in every single EU state. Trade marks are not nearly as powerful as this guy sells them.
As long as your Star Wars product does not try to trick people that it's another product you're fine with trademarks.

Law does not determine morality
Law does not determine philosophy
You fucking brainlet holy shit. Ethics and Legality are not the same thing. There are such things as unjust laws. You are the dumbest motherfucker ever holy shit.

peak bait

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I want Star Wars to enter public domain so fucking badly. Fuck Disney, they don't deserve to own it.

The only fair copyright law is the lifetime of the creator, with an exception of however many years it would be until they reached the average life expectancy is if they die prematurely.

>Communism is the same thing as Socialism
I don't want a totalitarian government I just want corporations to pay their fucking taxes like the rest of us. Unchecked capitalism creates massive wealth gaps and we're seeing it right now with the US with the middle class going the way of the dinosaur.

>I think copyright law should be changed because you can't really own an idea as it doesn't exist
>oh yeah? but the copyright law which you want to get rid of says that you CAN own an idea

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Ah, so the intention is to turn the family into a bunch of parasites who ride off Daddy or Mommy's work all their life instead

You think its fair that a company or anybody spend so much of its resources/time creating character designs, worlds, stories, etc, so that you could just take that and do whatever the fuck you want with it? You people aren't THAT fucking stupid that you think all these now lazily handled IP's are just "ideas" and weren't initially painstakingly meticulously crafted to become the money makers they are right? If the stupid fucking retarded communist idea of LOL NOBODY OWNS ANYTHING were to be implemented, why the fuck would anyone ever create anything? Why would anyone invest any more time and resources into creating characters for a game, when the next guy can spend HIS resources entirely on gameplay making it a better version of that game because he doesn't have to spend the resources building worlds or character designs, or stories and can just steal those parts from the first guy?

Why don't you just make your own fucking shit instead of being a fucking lazy fucking thief? You want these companies to get their shit together? Stop buying their fucking products, and give them competition. Make your OWN fucking shit.

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>corporations startraising the average life expectancy of people just to keep their copyrights longer
This is a win-win situation if I've ever heard one

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There is some truth in what he's saying though. It's why I pirate everything as a rule.

Because that totally happened with Sherlock Holmes.

It's all about incentives my dude.

Sherlock Holmes isn't exactly a multibillion dollar franchise

There is literally no truth at all when you're dealing with corporations which own every aspect of your life and have so much money they will never go out of business.

>Pokemon
>Mario
How does a US law control what happens to a Japanese company?

>ignoring the 15-year monopoly.

it's like if a pharma company owned the rights to their drug for the rest of your life... oh wait, that's happening literally right now

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What monopolies? Indie games have been blowing the fuck up this year unless you've been living under a rock. Temtem just got massive funding on kickstarter, the demand for Pokemon-likes is astronomical and almost nobody has tried it.

>Create something amazing
>The company you sell the rights to keeps you in a glass bubble isolated from everything so you live forever

Here, meant to reply to

>make intellectual property
>big corporation steals it and makes bank
>"wow, im glad the government doesnt interfere with things like that!"

Nintendo of America is its own corporation.

>Corporation makes an AI that is your exact likeness, has your same thoughts and memories and thinks it is you so that they can say you're still alive and keep the copyright forever even after you die

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god hijabs make my dick rock hard

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I want everyone in this thread to strongly weigh suicide as an option going forward

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WIPO

Meanwhile under copyright
>make intellectual property
>corporation doesn't like it
>sues you so hard you go bankrupt and they prevent you from making anything else
whoa now this epic!!! Thank you juden!!!

And these idiots really believe it will lead to anything other than insane gate-keeping from triple a companies that will just immediately steal successful indie game's IPs and make infinitely better versions of their games than they ever could leading to REAL monopolies.

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based

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>work hard for years to make something very popular
>some faggot makes his own shitty version and sells it
yeah, no.

When has this ever happened and not been completely justified?

There wouldn't be gigantic corporations that own half the market because they wouldn't be able to rehash the same jumping plumber for 50 years straight.

Yeah I'll admit that was super fucking retarded, it's 2am and I'm losing steam here
Still don't see why the fuck you should be able to use my characters/setting/whatever in a project if I don't want you to

Star Control

if you didnt have to worry about making money this would be no problem

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so you'd be working yourself to death as a game dev for free?

>to death
you would be doing something you enjoy because you enjoy it and not to make someone else money

>to death
I know it's complicated, but there are areas in between extremes

Star Control's situation is a lot more complicated than that, since the nature of what Stardock purchased is unclear thanks to how many times it got passed around and Paul Reiche III and Fred Ford not doing their due diligence to protect the brand

Not in reactionary shitpostland sorry user

Oh okay so they didn't pay enough money for lawyers, I see. So it isn't like a much larger corporation tried to gatekeep by burdening them with legal fees at all. Yep nothing like what I said.

You're right, there just wouldn't be any corporations period because why the fuck would I create a video game when its just gonna get stolen by some faggot? It sure is working well for China's gaming industry having no concept of fair use right? All those amazing games, movies, shows, etc, coming out of China and all.

That's because China is an authoritarian state that has much worse issues with freedom of expression though. You're comparing apples to oranges.

Nigger, Paul Reiche III and Fred Ford own the fucking Skylanders company, this is just a normal corporate slapfight

>>some faggot makes his own shitty version and sells it
if your good version can't compete with the shitty version, then maybe yours is the actual shitty version

>The surge of cheap Chinese bootlegs, the surge of cheap garbage that would emerge, no thanks.

To be fair, I'm pretty those already exist

exactly

Then let the better product win. That's the free market you fucking communist.

>Jews want central planning and also want to enforce IP law
HAHAHAHAHA

Unlike medicine, you don't need Pokemon to live. And there different monster trainer games, you're just too much of a lazy shit to look for them or to create your own concepts.

Yeah just like I should be allowed to own all your shit too because why the fuck not, if nobody owns anything, its all up for grabs right? Since you can legally steal the characters I painstakingly spent all my life creating, why shouldn't I be allowed to take all those belongings you painstakingly worked to earn as well right?

Please explain to me HOW this could possibly be different if you disagree. There's NO fucking way anyone could actually agree with this lunatic shit.

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Pokemon is a piece of our culture. Building upon it would only benefit our culture. Instead it's monopolized.... for the rest of our lives, and our children's lives. Does that make ANY sense to you?

You can't own an idea, you double kike.

>Hey thief don't copy my idea
>Hey thief don't copy my loaf of bread
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Just turn back to the original copyright of like 20-30 years. That's plenty enough time to make your money on an ip.

>Being this illiterate

Is this real? Like, are people who come on this board really illiterate and don't even have an 8th grade literacy level? Makes sense though that some niggers in the inner city schools would end up here.

READ THE POSTS. The copyright holder has 15 years to monetize their idea. It's like an invention. After that, it's brought into the public domain for everyone to build upon. This encourages the original creator, to create new ideas. That's the point you illiterate nigger.

Good thing the real world disagrees with you retards.

Nintendo keeps building on Pokemon, though. Though I'm not sure I agree that building on it benefits our culture in any significant ways. Mind, it doesn't detract from the culture either, but Pokemon isn't some cornerstone of our society that needs to be spread to every corner of the planet.

If by the real world you mean laws written by kike lawyers that want to milk shitty franchises dry for over 100 years straight and prevent any new ideas from being made, yes they do disagree with me.

>Have to DRAW the character designs
>Have to DRAW their world
>Have to WRITE out their lore
>Have to WRITE out their names
>Have to WRITE out their personalities
>Have to COMPOSE their music
>Have to CODE the gameplay

You can't possibly be this fucking stupid right? ALL of it is WORK. What the fuck do you think people mean when they say bringing the idea to LIFE???

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>the real world
lol
the same real world that endorses trannies and faggots like you to indulge in public life and indoctrinate children?
HAHAHAHA
KYS
Every western state is facing imminent collapse. I look forward to that day because then kikes like you will have nowhere to hide, no police force to save you from mass slaughter.

fucking this
either explain or quit spamming this dogshit take

I agree with you but I really liked the Phantom Menace and the prequels as well. George's imagination is far superior to any fan who would mainly come out with fan fiction wank and self insert Jedi hero's like the post ROTJ EU is full off. Also George was always very open to fans contributing to the EU, letting them add canon to minor characters on wookiepedia, and if they got their books checked for canon so it didn't contradict other works, they could get it published. Plenty of authors released EU books. The sad fact is now that it's under Disney, this has ended. Now you can only add to it if you want to agenda push.

Also goddamn. If 15 year copyright was a thing, The Phantom Menace would have gone public domain in 2014 (Along with Podracing, Naboo, Battledroids, Coruscant and Qui Gon Jinn), Attack of the Clones in 2017 (along with Clone Troopers, Dooku, Geonosis, Jango Fett, Acclamators and Republic Gunships), and Revenge of the Sith would be entering public domain next year in 2020 with Greivous, Venators, Mustafar, Felucia, Phase 2 Clone armor, the Invisible Hand etc.

God fucking damnit. Right when the Prequel trilogy finally started to be accepted as all the kids who grew up with them were coming to age, they would have reached the end of their copyright and we could be in a renaissance of prequel media right now. At least we got the based Clone Wars I guess.

>tfw Ahsoka was meant to enter copyright in 2023.

>implying anyone can stop the mouse

Oh, I see. You're just a Chinaman looking for easier ways to spread your rubbish cash-grabs to other countries.

if I steal your bike the solution is to take it from me and give it back to the owner. if I steal your idea how are you going to take it back from me?

B-BUT THINK ABOUT DISNEY AND NINTENDO!!!! THEY NEED TO MAKE MARIO TENNIS, MARIO CROTCHET, MARIO TYPING, MARIO FOOTBALL, MARIO SOCCER, MARIO RACING, MARIO PROGRAMMING, MARIO CHEMISTRY, MARIO TEACHES SEX, MARIO CHILDREARING, MARIO DIVORCE, MARIO CHILD SUPPORT, MARIO TEACHES SUICIDE NOTE COMPOSITION, MARIO BUYS A GUN, MARIO SUICIDE, MARIO FUNERAL

YOU CAN'T MAKE ALL THAT IN THAT TIME!!! WE'RE GOING TO NEED AT LEAST 150 YEARS GOYIM!!!

so what? you did that, and someone can copy it without reducing your ownership of your original work
as I said earlier, if yours is better it *should* win out. if not, fuck off and die. no one cares. no one should be able to employ kikes to beat their opponent in a court presided over by more kikes.

see this

Chinese copies of other works are rubbish, so it is in best interests of everybody to stop them from spreading.

so you can't compete with rubbish? you are rubbish too then.
but then you're a kike, that much is a given.

>implying telling people they can't own their own fucking ideas isn't me most kike thing to say

Your ideas are literally the ONLY THING that you cannot own you dumb fucking kike. YOU HAD ONE JOB

Also EU is largely a part of the pushes for Copyright law. Here's just some of the conventions with regards to intellectual property and copyright.

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I kill you before you spread it

Remind me again how many CEOs who work in entertainment are jewish?

he's right though, how do you own something that no longer belongs to you the minute you speak it out loud? ideas aren't property and never will be you fucking cunt.

Read this imbecile
You fucking ape IPS ARE NOT JUST FUCKING IDEAS they are works or inventions. All of it is WRITTEN, DRAWN, CODED, ETC. It is ideas brought to life by hard work. Anyone can fucking come up with ideas and there AREN'T any laws that protect JUST ideas themselves (protection for invention patents is given to a design of how a specific product LOOKS. Not necessarily how it operates.). You are actually trying to restrict people of more freedoms by placing copyrights on ideas themselves moron.

their are called "YOUR" ideas for a reason, you aren't part of a hivemind

Best interests of everybody, including the Chinese.
Rather than just aping other succesful products, it would be best for China to start creating their own original works to garner some respect in the international field, rather then being known as the country that makes endless bootleg shit.
And for consumers this would mean more variety, rather than zillion different iterations of Pocket Beasts.

YES AND THAT IS WHY YOU CAN'T OWN THEM! NOBODY IS REACHING INTO YOUR BRAIN AND PULLING THEM OUT FOR YOU!

>clownposter jumping to inconsistent conclusions
not really surprised to be honest

Wow its almost like we need to dismantle and break down their monopolize.

The brands would get ran into the ground, I think that companies should hold the rights until they stop using them.

Read this imbecile

Copyright 'potency' is a worse issue than copyright length. I can live with never making a cent off my own ChinPokemon game. I can't live with M*cky M**se death drones pumping lead through your bedroom window for giving them a bad review with 7 still frames from their latest movie.

great job then, no more law, now you have people in fear of sharing their stupid ideas because some low effor retard would just copy them

Yep and thousands of year of history is totally just like that!!! Thanks for the enlightened view of history Mr. Mouse!

>Imagine how many jobs that would be created if Star Wars, Pokemon, Mario and others are allowed to freely be created upon? Instead it's monopolized by one company

That's why "clones", rip-offs and genre games exist. Imagine if right after Doom's success, some unimaginative uncreative fucktard went and made "Doom 2" or "Doom 3" without even asking the original creator, and they turned out to be dogshit and ruined the brand name of the original? That's why we have things like Marathon or Half Life, which basically copy the original idea but without violating the owner's artistic copyright.

Same thing happened to every other remotely successful franchise in anything.

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>have stupid idea about a tool to help do chores that seems like something pretty obvious to make
>look it up noting similar
>make one for personal use
>never share it because fuck everyone else
there, now I carry that idea to death, but at least it's mine

People who look at the corporate run hellscape that is the 21st century and think that's just "The way things are", as if there's anything natural or necessary about any of this bullshit need a good hard knock to the head with a shovel.
If you're defending companies or their supposed "Rights" then you've literally been brainwashed.

Friendly reminder: Companies don't have ANY rights inherently, a company is a legal fiction that only exists at all in-so-far as it is recognized by the state.

There's nothing inherently necessary about the current state of copyright law, the government government gave them these "rights", it can take them back. The government is of, by and for THE PEOPLE, if the people want these rights extinguished then they hold no legitimacy.

No shit, government is the biggest corporation helper there is, the concept of patents were never created to protect companies, they were created to protect small inventors. If a company had to keep a specific genius inventor to be able to keep the monopoly of a patent, imagine how much things wouldn't change.

This star wars is a dune clones

exactly and the amount of profit you made off not publicizing it is limited

>It also creates a general problem with quality control
Oh yes working so well when marketers and stockholder puppets who know nothing about the companies they run take all the decisions right? I mean look how well Star Wars and comic books are!

>it's what ideas you can monetize
Nope, even if you do something for no monetary gain, you may not keep it, publish or give it away.

don't care about profit, it's about the principle that something that comes from you should be fucking yours, no matter what kike trying to make it a franchise or wagie trying to make it it's lifeboat thinks

I'm reading Dune right now, it's really not. Sure ANH took a fair amount of inspiration in terms of setting/lore. But overall, it's really not similar in story. Especially the PT or ESB and ROTJ are nothing like Dune at all.

you've definitely lost the argument about owning ideas ITT, just leave already. you can profit from your ideas, no one is arguing that you can't. we're arguing against stifling competition from being able to profit from another persons idea.
otherwise how far back do we take this?
should we patent mathematics and engineering all the way back to the Indians and Greeks?

The fact that if their version is good enough more people would be attracted to it than any other else, and with the dissolution of the large monopolies, such as disney, there would be a lot more market to go around.

if people were that smart they wouldn't buy the same stale content from the same company every year and force them to innovate it

I'M GONNA DO IT!

I'M GOING TO INFRINGE ON DISNEY'S COPYRIGHT!

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wasn't it supposed to be a ripoff of some samurai movie?

But that happens over time, stupid people aren't completely illogical, they just take a longer time to come to the same conclusion that smarter people do.

For story, yeah, but not a ripoff, just very inspired by it. Order of events is different and some ideas expanded on more. Go watch The Hidden Fortress, it's an Akira Kurosawa movie, pretty good. It's also fun to watch to figure out which character was inspiration for all the Star Wars characters.

A New Hope could definitely be said to be a mix up of The Hidden Fortress in terms of story inspiration, and Dune for setting inspiration.

>This entire fucking thread
Holy shit the amount of autism lmao