Bethesda Copyright Nazis shut down a mod for 1993 3D shooter

lawyers truly are the scum of the earth

Good ol Jewthesda. Don't make any free mods goy, you are cutting into our payed mods business. Clear it or lose it.

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BETHESDA FIRE THIS MAN

Anyone got a mirror to the mod?

Is Bethesda scared that this mod will end up being better than the shit they make?

Romhackers just dab on the janiggers and write "WRONG ADDRESS" on cease and desist letters.

Based bethesda shutting down yet another SOULLESS fan rema--
I-I mean, BETHESDA HIRE THIS MAN

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>not even a brand new game
>literally just some texture mods
lmao people are going to roast Bethesda for this, hope the lawnigger gets fired

Why doesn't the fucking retard @Bethesda, ID, Doom, fucking whatever on Twitter and tell them to stop being fucking retarded.

It's a fucking mod.

There are literally fucking thousands of them for Doom.

Either Zenimax can fuck off, or they can sue literally every mod maker on the planet and enjoy the absolute ass pounding they get when a counter class action suit is launched.

>community project
Kek nobody cares

Should have just posted new screenshots of the renderer using the Freedoom wadfile

>or they can sue literally every mod maker
Nah they can choose who to sue. That's how the legal system works.

Somebody made it a stand-alone mod (packed with doom.wad/doom2.wad) and reuploaded.

mega.nz/?fbclid=IwAR1JbGfaGXK0lsqpVQbA94GT95hkweEcW5_zjqA6aHRnkQW_NEu1S2X6Idg#!d3wFASIB!IVi2VqRtLe871oQdOWyn-BhGIyCWaA_bJFm0MfT788w

The original build of this mod however didn't contain ZeniMax copyrighted material (doom.wad/doom2.wad files) and required original game to run this.

user this is illegal.... you are about to get raided by the FBI

>Nah they can choose who to sue. That's how the legal system works
That's not how the legal system works at all faggot.

They LEGALLY have to challenge EVERY potential copyright infringement.

EVERY.SINGLE.ONE.

If they don't sue literally everyone, they're legally fucked on any subsequent claims.

that's how mafia works

Hey it's that "HD Remake" compilation of stolen mods and assets made by a Russian guy that even the Russian Doom community fucking hates.

There needs to be more repercussion for faceless megacorps throwing their weight around to needlessly crush anything they want just on a whim, if they want to seriously challenge something they need to have a real stake in it with actual losses on the line if (for example) they don't actually have a case and are just trying to abuse the system to scare some people out of using their IP
But then, this'll never happen because they MAKE the law

Based, going to reupload to moddb and start drafting my "go fuck yourself" reply for zenimax.

Sometimes it's good to be a Chink.

This is part of the reason I don't buy anything produced/made by Zenimax owned studios anymore. They're literally as bad as any other of the mainstream triple A companies. What makes it worse is their shills have literally been confirmed to police content on this website too, meaning they most likely "Stealth" advertise here too.

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The page from Google Cache says it was a community project made by many people: webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RGv1gZj11H0J:https://www.moddb.com/mods/lowpoly-doom-lite-10/tutorials/doom-remake-4-credits &cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-b-d

"Finally, in 2018, a group of modders released a remastered version of Classic Doom, a labor of sweat, tears and coding designed to give gamers the truly re-imagined experience they'd so desired."

>Why doesn't the fucking retard @Bethesda, ID, Doom, fucking whatever on Twitter and tell them to stop being fucking retarded.
Everyone should be retweeting this at every gaming outlet as well, it'd make for a juicy story hot off the heels of E3 and Zenimax's marketing bullshit about loving gamers.

someone is astroturfing here why else are there so many threads mentioning nazis and communism at the same time.

Its stupid that they'll shut it down even though we've already had a fuck load of doom fan remakes over the years

That said though
>Sad to see a great looking mod go down
>great looking mod

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Why do people follow these letters? All they have to do is keep working on it and upload it when it's completely finished under a different account or something.

Because he's claiming it's a community effort when all he did was grab random models, textures, Brutal Doom HUDs and effects like Bolognese, and PBR textures scattered across the community and slapped them into one big thing with no one's permission or awareness. He's spammed pics of this in the /vr/ Doom threads for the past year or two, vasyan means something along the lines of "shit person" if I remember right but he stuck with it.

Then again, you're probably vasyan since he's notorious for falseflagging for support.

Why are you posting Capone? He would just send one of his Sicilian lads or an Irish associate to silence the kike lawyers, all the while continuing his game development.

What you retards don't understand is that if they didn't do this, under burger law it would mean they have no interest for the copyright and it becomes public license.

He made fun of Trump
good riddance

Sounds a lot like what Bethesda would do if you ask me.

ITT Yea Forums is completely ignorant of how copyright laws work in burgerland

But the Doom engine has been under the GPL for years now

I get that it feels shitty and greedy, but copyrights, trademarks, and patents all only can be maintained if you pursue and protect them. If for 10 years you haven't protected a copyright and there are dozens of copies on the market, then its MUCH harder to file a suit, and at times the judge will even rule in favor of the violater since you havent bothered to protect your assets

100$ they're gonna take it and re-sell it themselves. I wouldn't put it past Bethesda actually doing something like that.

He was prob collecting ad revenue on his website, they never shut down brutal doom or zdoom.

I don't the the full story behind it. But to me it seems a legit fan-remake mod.

It was mentioned by the game journalists:

pcgamer.com/uk/doom-remake-4-is-a-bumper-mod-pack-that-dramatically-upgrades-the-1993-classic/

gamebuz.co/news/read/doom-remake-4-a-mod-that-brings-a-1993-classic-into-2019

dsogaming.com/news/experimental-doom-remake-4-version-adds-more-lights-improves-pbr-materials-supports-vulkan-api/

No they don't. They have the copyright they can choose how to enforce it moron.

Always sad to see passionate fans getting fucked by big publisher, but honestly the mod looked like shit so not exactly heart broken about this

>Bethesda copyright Nazis
>even though it was Zenimax that sent C&Ds
What.

Bit thread, I thought Bethesda copyrighted nazis.

you're just shilling the mod at this rate
youtube.com/watch?v=cUNv1FiuxJo

this does not look "good" by any stretch of the imagination

Remember when UDoom (Doom on Unreal Tournament as a mod) was also shut down bu id Software?

Zenimax is a puppet of Jewthesda now.

>ZeniMax Media Inc. is an American video game holding company based in Rockville, Maryland, and founded in 1999. The company owns id Software (developer of the Doom, Quake and Rage series), Arkane Studios (developer of Dishonored and Prey), MachineGames (developer of Wolfenstein: The New Order),[2] Tango Gameworks (developer of The Evil Within),[3] publisher Bethesda Softworks with its Bethesda Game Studios (developer of The Elder Scrolls and Fallout series) and ZeniMax Online Studios (developer of The Elder Scrolls Online).

>yfw Yea Forums hates on Bethesda but it's a literal megacorp pulling the strings
Now that's terrorism.

BASED BETHESDA

Exactly, I wouldn't even bother paying attention to these. They have literally no leg to stand on. It's a fucking mod.

On the contrary I've had dozens of letters from warner and other hollywood shits and I've been chucking them since 2006. People are too easily intimidated by big brother. It's a shame.

Again, no they fucking can't you dumbass.

Go and fucking educate yourself "Failure to defend copyright".

Fucking ESL third world shitters need to fuck off already.

>ZeniMax Media Inc.
>Key people
Robert A. Altman
(chairman, CEO)

>Early life
>Robert was born to a Jewish family[2][3] in 1947. He is the son of Norman Altman and Sophie Altman. Norman Altman, a graduate of Harvard Law School, who died in 1997, was a real estate lawyer and investor, and founded the Washington, DC

>Robert was born to a Jewish family
>Jewish family

based retard

Yes they can.

>failure to defend copyright

Uh cease and desist letters show that they're defending copyright. Just because you don't understand how the law works doesn't mean you're right.

>failure to defend copyright
>they're literally defending copyright by sending cease and desist letters

Yeah how about you stop pretending you know about copyright law from reading a few shitty internet articles.

Bethesda = ZeniMax

They just picked a different name for legal shit.

>develop a reboot of the Doom (1993) videogame

Modders should've referred to it as a mod compilation instead of a game reboot.
They deserved this 100%.

Idiots, if you really want to develop a game for free, do it in silence and the day you finish it upload it on forums. That way Mr. Shlomo will never notice it.

>Uh cease and desist letters show that they're defending copyright.
Oh right, so they've sent one to everyone who's ever made a Doom mod then?

Exactly, now fuck off you retarded ass monkey.

I object to the usage of the word "nazi" in a demeaning way. Nazis are patriots and an important subculture on Yea Forums. That nazi poster you object to could be your ally for freedom of speech some other time.

>Zenimax purchased iD fairly recently
>Doom mods made thousands of years ago aren't widespread or of any value
>Someone makes a HD remake with modern graphics
>Gets shit on by Zenimax
>NO THEY'RE NOT DEFENDING COPYRIGHT

Righto, law 101 student sure told me.

How about you follow the conversation retard, I wasn't even talking about this case in particular, but copyright law as a whole with regard to the thousands of other mods out there.

ESL third world shitters are multiplying.

A mod still requires the base game.
You are in checkmate.

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zenimax was founded by bethesda people to hold bethesda assets

zenimax = bethesda = zenimax

It's was bad idea putting the kill trump shit in the game considering Donald's brother works in zenimax.

The problem is corporate lawyers on a long leash trying to drum up stuff to bill the corporation.
It's supposed to be low risk low effort so if it results in bad press and a lot of it, they'll stop being so aggressive.

The base game is open source and free RETARD.

the trump curse strikes again

It was advertised as a compilation of mods that REQUIRED an original game to run this on Moddb page

They don't have to send one to everyone. Just like Music companies don't have to sue every single website that pirates their music fucking moron. They just sue one to show that they are defending it.

Also cease and desist letters are fucking proof that they are defending it moron. Please fucking kys before posting more erroneous bullshit pulled out of your arse.

Nintendo sent 20 years not giving a shit about roms and they failed to defend copyright?
No you stupid fuck. They only need to send one letter asking you to stop hosting their shit and the courts will have the view that they are enforcing their rights.

>Open source&free = No copyright
This is your brain on stallman.
Fucking retard.

>game about killing demons
>demons kill you instead
Now this is epic

Zenimax's jew lawyers are really aggressive. I remember they bullied some small indie studio because the game they were making had Prey in the title, as in it's one word of their title and not literally just Prey. Then there was that incident were they bullied some guy trying to sell their copy of a bethesda game on ebay I think.

technically the shareware is still free?
but the full game resource file (Doom.wad/Doom2.wad/etc.) are copyrighted.

>open source and free
>no copyright

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>copyright law as a whole

Doesn't work like that you fucking mong, they can choose who they sue, they don't have to sue everyone in the world.

Can you go back to your legal studies homework before posting about things far beyond your comprehension.

This isn't piracy retard.

Yep, brainlets who like free shit think that because it's free they have the rights to it somehow.

>but I read on my echo chamber website!

>this isn't piracy retard

It's copyright infringement. Piracy is a media term.

No it's not. The engine is.

id never did this before zenimax bought them

It's not copyright infringement at all, it's a mod. Zenimax's claim has absolutely no legal basis whatsoever, they don't even know what they're fucking looking at.

they did

incorrect actually

Oh really, maybe they should give the money back.

>It's not copyright infringement at all.
>Has no legal basis.

Actually it has, otherwise they wouldn't need to cease and desist.

>t. internet lawyers with no legal experience.

It's likely an automatic response more than anything else, but it's a mod literally calling itself DOOM REMAKE 4 in broken russian to english.

SEETHING

You know the law is available to view online, right? I mean you can read, can't you?

Holy FUCK you cant just expect to use a company’s property and expect to not be taken down. Theres established laws for this shit and its the same laws that protect individual citizens if they came up with intellectual properties worth money. Angry birds, apple, microsoft were all started by individuals. can you imagine if already established companies or richer people stole their trademarks? These modders are infact in the wrong. Just rename the fucking project and remove references to doom like the star wars fanmade project did. No one here thinks youre the victim for being retarded

OP youre a fucking brainlet.

>if you don't legally challenge every instance of someone using your copyright, you can't defend your intellectual property in the future
By the fifteenth thousand time I tell my neighbor that his Corvette is mine, he should just concede.

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>Actually it has, otherwise they wouldn't need to cease and desist.
They do that to intimidate people, it doesn't mean they actually have any basis.

>law is available to view online

Yeah can't wait to see how many lawsuits you've managed to get your clients out of by not adhering to cease and desist letters from copyright holders.

have sex then cope

Once again, it's a mod. There are millions of them and it's very much legal.

>Equating copyright law to petty niggerism
Jungle monkey logic on two fronts, impressive.

What does the E-Sports League have to do with this?

doom.fandom.com/wiki/Licences

It's open source and unless you commercially distribute it it's up who the fuck all to do whatever they want with it.

If they want to have a close source locked version of DOOM they themselves have to remake it and that version alone is therefore owned by ZeniMAX, but the 1993, and 1994 WAD files including the the DOOM.exe and libraries are still open source.

Actually they do have a legal basis. They own the copyright and they don't like what you're doing. They're enforcing it. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's unlawful or wrong.

Copyright holders don't have to shut down every single thing that infringes their copyright. They only have to show evidence that they are doing something with the IP (they are) and actively defending it (they are).

it's a fucking mod and it's for non profit you retard
keep sucking corporate dick, maybe mr. noseberg will give you a promotion

I've ignored over a dozen myself personally as once again, they have no legal basis whatsoever.

I've been getting cease and desists from Ubisoft for the better part of 15 years now for Ghost Recon and Rainbow Six mods kek.

>millions of them and they're legit

They're all not legit, the copyright holder can take them down at any time.

intellectual property is anti-competitive, you absolutely should compete with anybody and everybody who can do your idea better
> can you imagine if already established companies or richer people stole their trademarks?
boohoo those poor billionaires couldn't have made money. do better

this looks like shit

No. Any company can take down any mod at any given notice if their property rights are being used without consent. Most mods dont get taken down because nobody gives a fuck. But theres a new doom game coming out and guess what company doesnt want your shit mod being associated with?

Dude, they literally said "just remove all mention of DOOM in your shooter and you'll be fine"

Is that unreasonable??

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>I've ignored it

Yeah, they haven't taken you to court. Doesn't mean they don't have a legal basis. You're just to insignificant to bother.

No they can't, mods are perfectly legal, Dooms source code is open source.

Why even put so much effort into something you aren't allowed to market and if anything the original license holder gets to profit of your work for free. I can understand small to medium sized mods or even huge passion projects(it depends), but this was an uninspired bullshit project from the beginning. He wasted his time twofold.

Are they fucking scared that shit like this can seriously compete with Doom Eternal?

What is Doom Eternal then?

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You don't get it. Have you seen people's unity / UE4 recreations of Super Mario 64 while calling themselves remakes and then they get copyright struck? Every time a fanwork gains major prominence through media outlets in one way or another, there's always a strong risk of something like this, especially if you're blithely using copyrighted material while claiming it to be a remake or the like. A mod may be technically legal, but the companies have been using C&D methods like this for years to cull people calling their shit "DOOM REMAKE 4" or the like if it gets big enough to catch their eye. Said mod is also not exactly something anyone should support given how it's an abundance of stolen content.

>when a mod is so good it causes your legal team to forcibly take it down for fear of losing sales on your new game.
shiggy diggy doo

Yeah, but fuck them anyway. Sending letters because they like mod A more than mod B is scummy as shit. They should send cease and desist letters to every mod creater in the creation club.

ITT: I haven't been sued yet so nobody can be sued cause muh modding community is legit.

Yeah the copyright holders can allow you to, then they come enforce it when it suits them. That's how things work. If you don't like it you can go to court and lose all your money over a shitty mod.

Brainlet. Without IP rights, the common person wouldnt be able to copyright their own inventions. Its a law that protects both individuals and corporations.

Youre a moron and id be more than happy to debate you in my university. Give me your email. But you wont cause youre an armchair lawyer neet

No, it means they don't have a legal leg to stand on which i've outlined in every single fucking reply i've ever sent them.

Did the mod include IWAD?

If not, it's not copyright infringement.

If it contained PWAD or PK3, it's as legal as it can be, since DOOM is open source and the mod was free to download, thus wasn't breaking the license set my id.

stop sucking corporate dick, corporate dicksucker

It's all in the name, not the contents.

>lol fuck them anyway

Yeah that'll really go well in court. The judge will definitely find in your favour and change the way copyright works because your shitty mod didn't get flagged.

Nah youre a moron. Theyre trying to protect their investment by not having shit mods associated with it.

All these brainlet niggers have to do is remove ‘DOOM’ and nobody gives a fuck: but for some reason these russian niggers want that name so bad

>Without IP rights, the common person wouldnt be able to copyright their own inventions
...and why should they be able to patent patterns? Execution is far more important than conception anyway.

Fuck you Todd. Back to your cubicle

Real hilarious from the tranny basement dweller who does shit mods no one cares about and troll the regular Doom on a daily basis because "pixels bad"
Cope and have straight sex you mentally deficient fuck

>they don't have a legal leg to stand on

Actually they have plenty to stand on, they bought the IP along with the publisher and studio. They don't like what you're doing so they shut you down.

Seems reasonable enough to me.

>the common person wouldnt be able to copyright their own inventions
so? do it better
>Youre a moron and id be more than happy to debate you in my university. Give me your email. But you wont cause youre an armchair lawyer neet
debate me here and explain how monopolizing ideas is competitive

Fuck the judge too, this shit will be won by the jury.

Why doesn't the US adopt the system used in first world countries where the loser pays the winner's attorney fees?

Ah yes. Everyone should be entitled to everyone’s profits.

Youre not only a brainlet Neet but ALSO a commie

Well... They can suck my shotgun. because since they took over Id software it has all been downhill.

Sure Doom 2016 was adrenaline pumpin' as fuck but it was boring after a few hours, why? because no innovation.

Wolfenstein? they turned it into a SJW cringefest.

Rage ? LOLLOLOLOLOLOL

lol nope, being anti-IP is capitalist as fuckm it is the freeest the market can be

Because then lawsuits wouldn't be the powerful weapon for intimidation that they are liberally used for and threatened with. It's like asking why we don't ban lobbyists (we're trying), because it would silence corporate voices and they aren't having any of that.

Terrible bait.
Commit neck rope

You or your legal friends will get a big surprise if you ever tried to sue me for the mods I work on. I'll send your letter right back after wiping my shit stained ass with it. Good luck faggit

>won by jury

You think that court cases are a popularity contest?

Jury is directed to apply the law. The law states that you can't use someone else's property without their consent. DOOM belongs to Zenimax.

the point is to be derivative, correct

Brainlet. Without copyright laws the same two companies would steal everyones invention.

Face it tranny, your shit mod is illegal

SEETHING LEGAL FAG ON COPE WATCH
have gay sex tranny

The judge is directed to suck my fucking dick.

You're not worth suing, doesn't mean that they don't have a legal basis to. Can you shut the fuck up and go back to earning your good boy points?

>repackage a few mods
>Doom Remake
Why is this allowed?

Mods do need better legal protection from DMCAs or copyright claims though. I don't see why these publishers can't author some sort of certification or disclaimer that grants and defines the IP usage for modders.

Sure. Head down to harvard so me and my friends can see what unwashed loser tranny argues for communism online

Remember that time Zenimax sued Notch for using the word "scrolls".

Or that time they sued someone for making Fallout fan art.

Or that time they sued an indie dev for calling his game Fortress Fallout, despite it being a cutesy, colourful mobile game having nothing to do with their Fallout IP.

Or that other time they sued another indie dev for calling their game "Prey for the Gods" because apparently they own the word "Prey" now, along with "Scrolls", and "Fallout".

Or that time Zenimax literally stole someone elses copyrighted music and used it without their permission.

Great company all round, much respect.

It's all fun and games til you have to mortgage your house to pay for legal bills.

This is the single biggest corporate bullshit lie ever created and seeing you people regurgitate it makes me mad.

>Without copyright laws the same two companies would steal everyones invention.
and yet you think internet modders are depriving companies of enough revenue to hurt them, which clearly proves you wrong and shows that copyright laws only benefit corporations

I'm not worth it until I start making you lose money.

There's a limit to how much you can hate a thing, and no matter what new disgusting information comes into your possession after that limit, you're not gonna hate it any more. Bethesda/Zenimax has already earned my undying hatred just by virtue of being a corp.

Mods don't infringe on IP dumbass, and they sure as shit don't infringe on IP that is open source.

Fucking turbo tard.

Say you make a close clone of a game which uses the same mechanics, or as close as you can implement by studying and reverse-engineering, but don't plagairise any source code, levels or assets - can you still get LAWYERED if they can show the mechanics are too similar?

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On the mod page it was stated that it requires an original game. But in fact it secretly contained an IWAD in inside the build, not original doom2.wad/doom.wad, but Freedoom en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedoom

So it was basically a stand-alone game, but was adverised as a mod. If there was no original game inside the folder you could still play it, but it would load non-original levels.

>vasyan777
ruski use name vasyan to describe creator that did something very amateurish and low quality. is this a meme ?

Wrong. Without copyright laws a common person could not become a millionaire from their own invention. Steve jobs had to patent apple from his moms garage. Angry birds guy made it in his classroom computer.

Youre all brainlets ofcourse and the level of discourse here is why im not surprised the majority are also endorsing communism

Are you faggots really THAT insecure?

Dear NIGGER, please use commas, by your shit writting i thought Bethesda copyrighted "Nazis"

On the basis of mechanics, fuck no, art, maybe. Chinks literally steal art all the time and it's still hard as fuck to get them on copyright for it.

I still don't know how people can support Zenimax/Bethesda related games after all the shit they done.

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>Mods don't infringe on copyright laws

False,

>open source IP
>doom

False.

I'd rather wait for you queers to come to me, which you never will. This is the same reason I've been tossing cease and desist letters in the trash for years. You're going to get a big wakeup call if you think everyone is scared of legal fags. We don't care about you.

>DOOM is an open source IP

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Only implementation is protected by copyright. Unless you're Wizards of the Coast.

Only if you step on the wrong fingers and so forth. Wrack is a liberal Doom clone from a former Skulltag dev that took all of his own code and ran off to make his failure of a project, but no one sued him. However, you can't put other games in loading screens because Namco copyrighted that, etc

>lawyer cost

Afaik when you win a case the other part must pay all the fees and lawyer costs, dunno if its true for the US

Mods don't infringe on copyright dumbass because nonprofit.

And Dooms source code is open source, cope fucking harder.

Other way around lad. We dont care about YOU. Trust me if someone paid me enough I’ll leave you in the dumpster without any hormones to dilate your inverted penis

>basically a compilation of mods that make it look more polished and aesthetic. It brings you: High Resolution Textures with PBR materials, 3D models of every object and enemy, New HUD (modified DoomVisor), Brutal mods with plenty of blood and gibs
>vasyan777
Yeah, no, thanks.

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That's a funny way to spell corporations

how is it wrong? if a corporation needs to legally shut down somebody using their idea, is that not proof in itself that a world with no IP law would absolutely benefit the individual?

Bethesda kills games for petty power plays.
The mod was shit, but no one deserves the prey 2 treatment.
Also isn't it your dilation time lil' legal zoom?

Brainlet. Being non profit has nothing do with property. Do you think BMW will let you use their logo without approval? You still need consent.

Its not using the open source code from 1980. Its using DOOM the intellectual property

>because non-profit
Nope, you still need to ask permission from the copyright holder to use their materials.

at least half the people in this thread are "free thinker" shut-ins that think the world should work the way they want it to without any idea just how difficult or implausible it would be to accomplish such a concept

good, all fiction-related copyright should be abolished. All the code and assets are yours, but anyone should be able to make a mickey mouse cartoon and sell it.
>b-b-b-but I MADE IT
no you didn't, you're a soulless corporate conglomorate who bought the rights from another corporation that employed some guy working for a middle class wage who made the fucking thing

Freedoom falls under GNU GPL so it's still open.

no

>nonprofit means you can use whatever IP you like

Yeah I'm starting a non-profit to distribute all of your movies free on the internet, you can't sue me.

explain how not having copyright law is hard

>failure of a project
Do you think they would have tried for damages if it sold well though?

So now we can agree that intellectual property destroys the creation and sharing of ideas and culture. This is your lesson for today, gbay.

Mfw i realize why i go to harvard and everyone else is a mentally ill neet

Protip it’s something to do with critical thinking

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>Not legally threatening the Brutal Doom developer
>Legally threatening a fan remake rather than a broken clone that some Brazilian fuckwad makes money off of.

Bethesda are a punch of soulless retarded faggots

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absolutely, go ahead
you keep posting shit as if it's supposed to upset anybody but corporations, you only prove how absurd copyright law is

post proof you go to harvard

Remember kids: Bethesda=/= Zenimax
Zenimax owns Bethesda, id, Machinegames and so on

Yeah, just shut down any and all incentive for innovation because anyone can just steal any idea or branding or goodwilll associated with it.

That'll will work swell, you'll make everywhere China and get baby formula filled with melamine.

they can suck his russian dick

>lol I'm retarded and didn't think this through so now I'm just shitposting

Get a job incel zoomer fucktard.

No you don't, it's fair use faggot.

He's probably the sort of retard that thinks that human creativity hinges on the ability of jews to profit off an idea for three lifetimes.

Brutal Doom is free advertisement for Doom 2016/Eternal

>Yeah, just shut down any and all incentive for innovation because anyone can just steal any idea or branding or goodwilll associated with it.
all popular PC games are mods, seems like copying other people's work absolutely rewards innovation, the better product shines through

Yes but it is use of Doom IP without authorization if you replace its logo to original Doom logo and change its name to Doom Remake and then distribute it.

Freedoom is a different game and cannot be promoted as anything related to the Doom IP.

>It's fair use
Nope.

there's no shitposting, copyright is bad

In Brazil the loser pays all of the court fees and lawyers of the winner. If they were to sue Mark he could take it for free and win and Zenimax would have to pay for it.

>All popular PC games are mods

No they started as mods then got picked up by publishers.

>copyright is bad

Without copyright nobody would have a job making things.

Bethesda seems like they are trying to milk licenses for all they are worth before they go belly-up...

Remember EA? You know the big ass corporation that would eat smaller studios and milk franchises dry for a quick buck? Yeah this is what Bethesda is now too...

>branding and goodwill
branding is literally just a fraud scheme to trick buyers into buying games completely unrelated to the game they originally liked. See doom 4 for example.

Carmack wouldn't stand for this shit

Zenimax = Bethesda

They just picked a different name to sort all the legal shit without messing up their name.

Bethesda created ZeniMax.

Remember when the people who made PUBG tried to sue Epic for cashing in on the battle royale boom?

>Nope.
Great argument brainlet.

Zenimax themselves literally state that mods are fair use in their own fucking terms of service for Skyrim and Fallout mods dipshit.

wrong, people with patreons can absolutely make a living off derivative work, and they'd continue without corporations shutting them down

I can literally hear your brain shriveling from here.

>vasyan777 got fucked
Based.

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Not that user, but that isn't true.
Copyright laws tend to screw over the actual small people/companies by withholding ideas, and can sometimes even screw over the actual fans, and you're dependent on the person with the copyright to the IP to not fuck it up big time. Plus it can even stifle creativity, and perhaps even harm the ip in question.

There is a reason on why the Touhou project got popular in the first place. The amount of fanworks that came from that helped bring it to popularity and drew even more people in. Had Team Shanghai Alice wanted to be a bunch of copyright retards, that project wouldn't have gotten too far in terms of popularity.

Also don't forget the amount of Pokemon rom hacks, in that while GF/nintendo sometimes do C&D or something like that from time to time, they're still being made because a lot of players love the IP/Concept of it. They often disregard copyright, or live in some third world shithole in which it is barely even enforced. It isn't even really that enforced too well in first world countries either.

Oh and here's a major example of copyright harming the user as a whole. Youtube's shitty flagging system, and automated copyright system. In the past and is still a problem to this day, in the past if you had certain tracks on a video (and by certain it's more like 80% of music) the video would get instantly flagged or claimed. Streamers have to deal with this shit with their donation system a lot on youtube. The song in question could be really obscure, but once it's used there is a chance for the copyright bot to instantly block your video. Speaking of blocks, there is a reason why Viacom is hated by everyone for doing this shit, they're the reason on why Youtube had to put such a system in place.

This is why pirate parties are gaining traction, because Copyright as a whole is fucking bullshit.

Frankly between a corp and a vasyan, I'm gonna pick the vasyan.

>they can make a living off derivative work

Yes, because they're too small for anyone to care about.

Try scaling up and selling that stuff before getting shut the fuck down by the copyright owners. Again you fucking retards keep memeing that obscurity means it's legal.

You can apparently get lawyered for too close of names, so anything is sue-able now. Iron Maiden suing Ion Maiden

>mods are fair use as determined by them
>they dictate what is and isn't fair use of their intellectual property
Yes brainlet, you finally got a clue.

This is so retarded because the costs to file a patent are so huge no "guy in the garage" would try to do it

Oh right, I forgot vasyan's Doom Remake 4 was a fucking massive project generating millions of dollars of revenue, silly slav shouldn't have scaled it up, I mean just think of all the sweet moddb revenue he's raising!

the point is not "they can make money in a system with copyright", it's "copyright isn't necessary because making a living off derivative work is proof that the individual benefits"

Doom mods are also fair use dipshit, do go along and play in the street you corporate boot licking shill before I use another of your waifer thin arguments against you.

>Doom mods are also fair use
Yes they're fair use as long as the copyright holder allows it. In this case they posted a cease and desist because they don't like what they're doing with it.

Oh wow so unfair and cruel! Copyright sucks!

It's all fun and games until the judge gets a bullet to the back of the head.

Fair use is determined by the Fair Use Act

>Copyright sucks!
yeah

>copyright isn't necessary because making a living off derivative work is proof that the individual benefits

Yes, if you consider being a cockroach a benefit. Yes you can sneak out under their noses and eke out a meager existence. Just like you can make a living selling bootleg sneakers and DVDs.

I will bomb several Zenimax owned properties if they do this.

I am dead fucking serious. They do not want to fuck with the angriest fanbase in the history of media. I am sick of corporations running everything into fucking ground. I will make them suffer unimaginably if they take away the only peace I find on this maggot-covered rotten ball of dirt.

I cannot articulate my conviction strong enough. Zenimax is fucking with the devil and they will burn.

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>Yes but it is use of Doom IP without authorization if you replace its logo to original Doom logo and change its name to Doom Remake and then distribute it.

>then distribute it.

>The GNU General Public License (GNU GPL or GPL) is a widely-used free software license, which guarantees end users the freedom to run, study, share and modify the software

>which guarantees end users the freedom to run, study, share and modify the software

>guarantees end users to SHARE and modify the software

DOOM and DOOM2 is licensed under GNU GPL.

You don't don't know what that means, just ask instead of spewing nonsense defending corporate cocks.

>Examples of fair use in United States copyright law include commentary, search engines, criticism, parody, news reporting, research, and scholarship

Mods are none of these, fuck off.

>i don't like it so it doesn't count
lol, you have no argument

He's going to make Zenimax great again.

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ATTENTION FAN CONTENT MAKERS:

STOP ANNOUNCING FAN-MADE PROJECTS BEFORE YOU RELEASE THEM.

>licensed under GNU GPL
>Software

I didn't know that software included trademarks and other intellectual property.

>Call something Doom _____ 4
>they're selling a product called Doom 4 currently
>OH WOW I DON'T GET WHY THEY'RE UPSET

Eat shit and die.

>>they're selling a product called Doom 4 currently
no it is not called doom 4

>doesn't count
It really doesn't. You're talking about legal basis. You can do a lot of things without getting caught. Doesn't mean that it stops being illegal.

Oh this has been out for a while. It's not even a remake, it's just a bunch of different people's mods slapped together and then putting a reshade on top and calling it DOOM REMAKE 4 in broken russian-to-english.

>first 3 words of OPs post
>Doom Remake 4

Yeah get fucked.

see

Shut up faggot i care

But then how are they supposed to get that Patreon money?

>It has the words Doom and 4 in it
>Tell someone who knows nothing about what Doom is whether Doom Remake 4 or Doom 4 would come from the same people
>not likely to confuse or mislead

Eat shit.

boobleg dvd hehe

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what product is zenimax selling that's called doom 4
i expect you to stop replying after this, like always

They forced the modder to cease all development of the Doom reboot and destroy all code and materials related to that project. Since it uses GZDoom engine, they may start striking the creators of GZDoom port for which most mods were created.

kys

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Yeah going circular isn't going to get you anywhere.

Still illegal, still can get you sued if the copyright holders feel like it.

Those are just popular examples, modding is definitely under fair use.

>stuff that never happens

They have no copyright claim over a nonprofit mod dumbass, none what-so-fucking ever.

They haven't done their fucking homework and obviously think it's an actual game, on that note you should probably stop copying their homework less you both fail class and get kicked out of retard school.

there's no circular logic, you completely and utterly misunderstood the argument so you should understand it

trademark =/ copyright

They're selling a sequel to Doom 3, naturally Doom 4.

They don't like that someone called a thing Doom 4 so they sent a cease and desist.

Boo hoo, make your own fucking game if you don't like it.

>Call something Doom _____ 4
Yes, it's not called DOOM 4, neither is ZeniMAX doom called DOOM 4, it's merely DOOM and DOOM Eternal
>they're selling a product called Doom 4 currently
They are neither selling a product, or calling it Doom 4.
>OH WOW I DON'T GET WHY THEY'RE UPSET
Of course you don't.
>Eat shit and die.
I'm gonna break your head off and shit down your neck

BALLS OF STEEL

>They're selling a sequel to Doom 3, naturally Doom 4.
so it's not called doom 4, which was the entire crux of your argument

More gas chambers.

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>They're selling a sequel to Doom 3, naturally Doom 4.

I can't see it anywhere user, i'm only seeing Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal.

Can you link me to this Doom 4 you speak of?

>they have no copyright claim over a nonprofit mod

They have a copyright claim over the Doom IP you fucking retard. You can't go calling your game Doom unless you fucking own the IP.

If someone mistakes DOOM Remake 4 for DOOM2016 or DOOM Eternal, let alone the fact that it's called REMAKE they are both blind, illiterate and brain dead.

Yeah, that's the test of the normal reasonable person for you.

Imagine how much worse off the world would be right now if they hadn't gassed as many jews as they did.

A half measure to be sure, but a positive contribution nonetheless.

>Can't see it anywhere

Zenimax owns Doom, call it something else that nobody cares about.

I can make a parody of doom without any Zanimax permission because its under Fair Use. I can make a mod too because it fits under fair use too.

>be a shithead judge
>send people to the electric chair for sneezing
>man stands up in court and gives him a chest hole and a head hole with a double barrel

I ain't saying it has happened yet, I'm just saying it could.

It's not a game, it's a noncommercial mod, you can call it WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT.

>no reply
lmao no argument

Yes
>What is Doom Eternal then?
Very borring console shooter

but you said it's called doom 4

So wait Vasyan redid Doom 1 maps with new lighting for his mod's bullshit, does that extend beyond Episode 1? Did he redistribute non-shareware maps?

youtube.com/watch?v=hqwP6uuYOWo

>Non-commercial mod
Yes to a game that belongs to a commercial entity that can choose and control it's own IP.

No, the C&D was issued by a clueless lawyer who read "Remake" and thought it was an entirely new game based on their IP.

To defend the corporate cuck defenders

It would be pretty fucking obvious he could've just called it D4Remake, without bringing up the word DOOM in the guide or the mod files and he'd be safe.

It sounds like it could happen, but in reality people are so susceptible to enslavement it's ridiculous.

Maybe they're planning to release Doom 4 in the future.

Maybe they don't want all this shit associated with it.

Who the fuck knows or cares. The fact is they bought Doom fair and square. So buy it off them or cease and desist.

>Yes to a game that belongs...
To the people, under GNU GPL.

Listen for a moment lads
And hear me tell my tale
How o'er the sea from England shore
I was condemned to sail
The jury found me guilty, sir
And said the judge, said he
"For life, Jim Jones, I sentence you
Across the stormy sea"
But take my tip before you ship
To join the iron gang
Don't be too gay in Botany Bay
Or else you'll surely hang
"Or else you'll surely hang," says he
"And after that, Jim Jones
High up upon the gallows tree
The crows will pick your bones"
You'll have no chance for mischief there
Remember what I say
They'll flog the poaching out of you
Out there in Botany Bay
The waves were high upon the sea,
the wind approached in gales
I'd rather drowned in misery
Than gone to New South Wales

The waves were high upon the sea
When the pirates came along
But the soldiers on our convict ship
Were full five hundred strong
They opened fire and somehow drove
That pirate ship away
I'd rather joined that pirate ship
Than gone to Botany Bay
And one dark night, when everything
Is quiet in the town
I'll kill you bastards one and all
I'll gun the floggers down
I'll give them a little shot
Remember what I say
They'll yet regret they sent Jim Jones
In chains to Botany Bay ////

Now day and night and the irons clang
And like poor galley slaves Toil and toil,
and when we die Must fill dishonored graves
By and by I'll break my chains
and to the bush I'll go
And you'll be dead behind me, John,
when I get to Mexico

>belongs to the people

Yes the game belongs to the public, not the IP. Can you separate those two things or is your mind too small to comprehend?

>t. Todd

...

>Yes to a game that belongs to a commercial entity that can choose and control it's own IP.
That's great, but that doesn't apply because he's not making a commercial product that infringes on their copyright, he's making a non-commercial mod built on an open source engine that is protected by fair use.

>Maybe they're planning to release Doom 4 in the future.
but you said they're selling a product called doom 4 right now, which spurred this legal decision
how are you gonna make it through harvard with these reasoning skills, you literally just make up shit that isn't real

Winning lawyer fees is a myth. Most judges never considering awarding them because it would encourage pointless work from lawyers and waste the court's time.

literally all he has to do is stamp a GPL on it, they are bluffing

If you call something Doom, they can take action.
because they bought the IP.

Understood?

>not commercial so they can make it
Nope

Individuals and small companies cant fucking afford to pursue legal cases; only big ones can, you regularly abuse and ignore IP law because theu can drag cases put and know individuals wont try to sue them

The fucking RIAA used pirated music in anti piracy ads, for instance

When people put so much effort into these fan games why not just change the name and recognisable assets?

Yes it is, this is inherently illegal.

Corporations wouldn't be able to cuck you without lawyers. It is a lawyer's first directive to zealously defend their client, no matter what.

Their ownership of the Doom IP only protects them from commercial products user, not mods, I could whip a game together right now depicting the two simians who brought you into this world, call it DOOM, sit on Hollywood boulevard handing it out for free and Zenimax couldn't do a god damn thing about it.

How many times do you need that explained to you?

Yep, that's how it works user. Look it up.

Well that's an entirely different game engine and company so I can kinda see why? If it was on the Quake engine I don't think they'd care

>only commercial products
Wrong

Yeah, can't wait till nintendo stops closing down all those non-commercial rom sites.

>being this retarded and thinking stuff is legal just because it's not commercial.

They're literally distributing nintendos games dipshit, that doesn't apply to mods.

Fuck you are a special kind of dense.

>doesn't apply to mods because you feel like it

Kek no, the fact that youtube had to bow to pressure by copyright holders goes to show that none of this is true.

Oh neat, does Youtube host a lot of mods? Or were they hosting peoples copyrighted content wholesale?

Oh right, you're a fucking dumbass and you continue to equate mods with things that aren't fucking mods because apparently breathing is the limit of your mental exertion.

Very sad, but no surprising
Doom is owned by zenimax now, and not someone cool like john carmack

>C&D immediately after Doom Eternal at E3
either ZeniMax struck this down to keep things clear for their advertising, or, it's bullshit to try to stir up fake controversy with the timing

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This is why you don't attach your real name or location to any of your mods, and release them as is. All some kikes can do then is harass the mod host site instead, and it becomes their problem, not yours.

Fuck off Todd, we care.

>t. Todd

You need to do more than that, you need to use a VPN at all times when even dealing with the mod host site, otherwise they'll happily just pass your details along.

Much like Gook Moot does.

I have this dled on my PC. Should I delete it?

It's a mod you fucking retard.

Do you even know what this is about other than making animal noises?

>brainlets calling others brainlets
honk honk

Um sweetie, YAAAASS QUEEN SLAY *sips Soilent milk i opened with my twist cap bottle opener*

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>Apple
>Microsoft
No, they were started by richfags using their parents connections and money to steal intellectual property and pass it off as their own.

Holy fuck you're an idiot.

What the fuck, doom is open source.

>doom remake 4 goes to the shitter
wtf, I unironically love bethesda now

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There is inherently nothing wrong with that, and in fact fosters a spirit of competition and free market. Instead of churning out low effort products, corporations would be forced to provide better and better services to compete with the cloned products and services - or lose out, and have the better product and service emerge.

How about this:

COPYRIGHT EXISTS FOR A REASON. STOP STEALING OTHER PEOPLE'S IDEAS. YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO OTHER PEOPLE'S INTELLECTUAL PROPERTIES

>COPYRIGHT EXISTS FOR A REASON.
It does indeed, to protect the peoples right to create and express themselves freely under the protection of fair use.

God bless America and fuck Israel.

>being proud of being a richfag
Even a decade ago I'd be impressed. Colleges are accepting to many diversity quotas for me to give any shit anymore. Plus the fact that you're going to some ultra-rich fag school doesn't necessarily give any indication of purported intelligence of an individual.

>do something completely legal
>get punished because not enough money to defend yourself
OH SAY CAN YOU SEEE

This post right here sums up everything that needs to be said.

this faggot is just pitching a big bitch fit for attention

kys fag go back to your daily eceleb circlejerk or rosterfag thread you dunce

also you cared enough to post

>I get that it feels shitty and greedy

Copyright is shitty and greedy and has no place in the modern world.

that's trademark you idiot

Cuz nobody but nintendo or bethesda is stupid enough to do this
The other companies know better than to piss off their fans like that
They just save the pissing off for when it makes them money off mtx

>3 years later and you're still crying
>But it's other people who are insecure
lol

t. ching chong ping pong

the amount of corporate cocksucking i'm seeing in this thread is very disappointing

>get told you can use the DOOM IP on your social media pages
>instead of just replacing every instance of Doom with Boom or some shit stop working on the project
the dev was just looking for an excuse to stop working on it lmao

More like ancaps screeching about people having more money than them.

Based Lebowski poster

Copyright and patents were created to nurture creativity and innovation to better society as a whole. IE, there would be no artists or inventors is they didn't have any means of financial success. And those rights lasted for a modest time, enough for the creator to reach world markets.

But now it does the opposite, huge corporations use these laws to claim unending ownership of ideas and stifle creativity and innovation with legal threats. And actual creators now have better means of getting money that don't require government intervention, like patreon or kick starter. And it does take decades to reach world markets, it takes seconds.

Copyright was conceived as a necessary evil but it's no longer necessary.

Anybody too stupid to know that zenimax is owned by one of the greatest jewish fraudsters to publicly get away with murder is a retarded consumer and needs to be gassed.

I fucking hate HiroshimaNagasaki, I miss moot.

>artists
Kikes you mean

Yeah, you have to wait for a period of series drought before doing this kind of stuff. Hopefully he will dump his files and someone else will finish it just to middle finger the lawyers.

Obviously he never watched this video.

youtube.com/watch?v=hqwP6uuYOWo

he literally just steals mods that other people have done and repackages them as his own.
i'm glad he's finally getting fucked for it.

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Doom wasn't even 3D. It was a brilliant illusion created by ID. You were 100% in a 2D world.

Never forget

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You say this as if 97% of artists don't use other people's work as a stepping stone. It's human nature to take and attempt to improve or change something to satisfy another niche. Copyright is fine if it can't be transferred and lasts for one lifetime to support the artist otherwise, it's just an excuse for people with a lot of money to make a lot more money while stifling others earning potential.

Yes I am, copyright was invented because of the fucking printing press. Stop trying to halt the unstoppable, implacable forward march of the digital age.

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Fuck off Zenimax bootlicker

youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI
Eternal reminder
Imagine if Gaiman had been butthurt about russians downloading his books and tried to stop it instead of encouraging word of mouth. When will corporations learn?

Sucks that it happened but pretty much every company does this to protect their IP, it's in their best interest.

Devs need to find a better way to keep their shit under wraps during promotion until the project is complete so even if it ultimately gets C&D'd copies will still be circulated.