2077 is disappointing

It's one trailer, we don't know if that's just one specific story path out of many.
You could be right, but CDPR hasn't revealed everything yet.

pick up a pen and paper

Dragon Age: Origins did, every race had different starts, even changes between whether you were a city elf or a wood elf, commoner dwarf or a noble, etc. Sure, they then merged into a central storyline but everyone had a good intro that fit what they picked.

It's a story-focused RPG, not a fucking minecraft you goddamn retard.
>Can't be a straight up police-man, can't be netrunner, can't be corp, only mildly interfere in these matters.
Name 1(UNO) RPG that does something like this as an actual thing that's important to the main story and not some sidequest bullshit. It's not doable.
The closest I can think of is something like Gothic where you choose to join one of the factions, but even then the "split" only lasts a single chapter and then the game is the same no matter what you picked.

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This is actually basically exactly what I was thinking, after the first real footage it really started to seep in that it was basically gonna be more like the Witcher, game-wise. Just you get to customise your appearance this time around.

I mean, kinda makes sense to expect this kind of game, just after it was announced CDPR kinda gave the impression it was more RPG-focused. Pretty sure after some iterating and prototyping they dropped that vision of the game, which is why it took so long. And don't give me the shit about it only really starting development after TW3's DLC, they had a separate sizeable team dedicated to the game even during the first announcement.

Because it's not an RPG anymore. Don't believe me?

>Mark your calendars — Cyberpunk 2077, the open-world, action-adventure story from CD PROJEKT RED, is coming to Xbox One, PS4 and PC April 16th, 2020.
Straight from the description of the new trailer. Notice how it doesn't say RPG anywhere?

There are different origins though, at least from gameplay video. OP is talking about outright different storylines.

indeed, what fuckers they are. in demo and everywhere they kept repeating RPG, RPG , RPG !!! not no rpg. fuck them, this is basically gta clone with character creation screen thats all. not gona play another wanabe muh ghetto criminal game

They said that all classes from the pen and paper would be available at first. They went back and retracted that.
It's clear that at one point it was actually supposed to be far larger than this. Keep sucking corpo cock.

absolutely, now they even dropped rpg, and just say action adventure story. lol cutscene from cutscene driving it is.

thats a pass from me sadly

I'm not talking about different storylines though.
It's not that at all.
I always expected one main plotline, I was just also expecting that you could do that storyline as each of the classes from the pen and paper rpg and it would have changes depending on what class you were playing as.

this isnt even gonna have factions and stuff like that. its practicaly gta wannabe

shut the fuck up retard those choices just change your clothes

Have sex

gain height

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go suck keane reeves and cdpr cock. seems like only thing you can think about, as you defend them online. everyting i said is a fact. check old articles and interviews. cdpr said everywhere about rpg. now no rpg. fuck you shill

It's got a through line story you can follow is all

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I don't give a fuck. It's about having retarded expectations. You're criticizing the game for not having amount of content that even MMORPGs have never delivered yet. Just go play p&p and fuck off.

lol they just need to change every quest now and then. + it was indev for 8 years. lol 8 years 5 times a week for 8 hours 50 people. and they cant do 15 quests more. fuck yourself. they realized if they dont make gta clone, zoomers wont buy becuase its to complicated. u cant just press left click to win another cutscene

suck cocks shill, and burn your shitty memes down

DLC

probably will contain new classes too, CDPR has good full DLCs

>Can't be a straight up police-man, can't be netrunner, can't be corp, only mildly interfere in these matters.

You never could, not in the tabletop either. Careers were just glorified backstories.

only if your master was shit

If they can't do it, there must be technical reasons for it. And you can't just claim that it's simple to do if you're not involved with the development in any way. What exactly do these numbers even mean to an outsider? Absolutely fucking nothing.

Its obvious the original 77 was scrapped and they started over when they realised current consoles simply would not handle it

CDPR major error was announcing it back in 2013 or whenever it was

2077 SHOULD of been announced at next E3 then come out a few years into the PS5 cycle

Yes, and develop a game for more than 10 years, with what kind of budget? Where do they get the money from?

so we can only play as a hacker/outlaw in 2077?

well shit, that's boring.

What if Cyberpunk does the same depending on what Character you chose at the character creation?

investors, probably some slav mafia involvement

Is ironically pretending to literally worship CDPR the new hot spicy meme? Fill me in guys i don't want to be left out until knowyourmeme makes a page on it.

That would be a waste of the assets.
Oh we will create 10 different campaigns for different starting point so every person will play 1/10 of the whole game

That's not realistic. If there's one thing that CDPR has done right, it is generating interest for the game over the last two years. Games that are stuck in development hell and then promise to be groundbreaking are usually huge blunders. I don't even want to know how much FFXV and Duke Nukem Forever cost the studios. It definitely wasn't worth it for either of them.

>lol they just need to change every quest now and then.
You can't have the same Quest for police, hacker and thief or whatever class. You have to make a complete new storyline with sidequests for every fucking class.

yeah because creating the game for the new generation would magically allow them 10x bigger budget

>new

Did you miss the 3 Witcher games that everyone from normies to Yea Forums have been dick riding for the past decade

>I thought it was supposed to be more of an RPG

It's a "Witcher style RPG" i.e. an action game with some combat stats you can level.

You mad af kek.

Seethe harder faggot, go play the new Commander Keen.

theres something called investors user, I work at a gaming company and they just throw money at us as.

watch the 45min gameplay. They say it's RPG.

Dilate

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>radical leftist
At least it's not even trying to be subtle about it.

its a good thing that leftiest have no power in poland because russia tried communism here for 50 years and everyone had enough of it for a lifetime

That's not exactly the same thing. I doubt Russians like diversity, let alone trannies or gay people.

Wew.

Is the trailer from yesterday a sort of cinematic representation of what can happen in the game, or something you can actually see in the game with some combination of choices, ie, you finish a mission and sit for 5 minutes watching an epic showdown as your shock-stricken character cuts some guy’s arms off?
I never expected a “real” rpg from cdpr, but I didn’t think it’d be worse than W3.
Also, the hacking shit was terrible, even mass effect never went that far.

What it sounds like you want is an MMO desu

Hey i know that guy! Back when he still had a cock and was writing Vampire the Masquerade stuff.

So i assume it's a "massive" """"open world"""" """"""RPG"""""" just like Witcher then?

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Skyrim

>every race had a different tutorial
oh wow, groundbreaking

Skyrim did

didn't they show 3 different main story choices?
this one is outlaw but there was also corporate god and something else

No, that was just childhood heroes.

No it didn't.

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they could have easily made it more of an RPG with one simple trick, seeing as it's a first-person game:
>not have fucking voice acting for the protagonist

They're not lazy and incompetent like obshitdian. Why would they do that?

No it didnt you literal toddler

The skyrim generation is stupid as fuck

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>Can't be a straight up police-man
>can't be corp
Pro-tip: You don't just magically go from The Hood to being a police detective or a corporate executive. Nobody does. This is a corporate fucking dystopia policed by private security forces where people are under the iron fist of a hyper-capitalist society that does not value human life at all.

Buy new skyrim then. I heard you can play it for decade now faggot.

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In game development you have to narrow down a scope for the game, in order for it ever coming to reality being a chance. Just because it's not some general ultimate cyberpunk RPG simulation doesn't mean it's not an RPG.

>all these insecure CDPR buttboys
Embarrassing.

Pretty sure this is just one path, you could pick corporate, outlaw or mercenary in the character creation they showed a while back.

i just stopped caring about anything anons. i pirate every game and even if it turns out to be good i dont buy it. my expectations are always low and im never dissapointed. i advise you to do the same.

nah they didnt, you couldnt pick that at all ?? or did i miss it ? they specificaly said it doesnt has classes or antything.

I want Cyberpunk to be like Gothic 2 but in the futuristic utopia. I dont want GTA or a shooter with QTE events

no, did you played skyrim?

oh really, do tell me about the missions where you acted as a guard or a blacksmith

Class gave you 1 skill and backstory, that's literally all, why are you obsessed with it if you didn't even touched PnP, like what did you expected? multiple classes each with 50h storyline?

>utopia
dystopia

have sex incel

have sex incel

Yea Forums has no clue what an rpg is, again

incel
have sex

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>2077 is disappointing
Not as disappointing as you are to your parents

yes, but i would assume this choice decide who finds you after prologue, they showed silver hand in this case

He's not being sold as a video game, though.

>its a good thing that leftiest have no power in poland
Pls dont lie, we are fucked each day by leftist.

catch 22 with these games. you cant really do good open world choice-based stories without having to cut massive corners. you either do one storyline really well or a bunch of storylines that are shit

Yeah. But basically i want main elements from Gothic series

1. Interesting world that you want to explore
2. interesting new opponents, not just normal humans
3. Strong opponent naturally blocking access to certain areas, lack of invisible walls or scaled difficulty where enemies with you
4. Lack of any quest markers or or arrows telling you what to do. Anything should be just noted in the journal

5. NPC have their own life, main characters need to be likable or memorable like Big Smoke and less generic and mass produced like in Skyrim where all of them were made by same character creator as the main player with same voice
6. There need to be multiply endings and your choices should matter like in Deus Ex

7. Economy should be balanced so you dont have too much money or too many guns. Closer to Deus Ex

8 There should be romancable options like in Mass Effect

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>he's this mad over someone not having the same opinion he has on a video game
Stay assmad faggot

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>You don't just magically go from The Hood to being a police detective or a corporate executive.
No magic just regular recrutment, they get people like everyone else. You go trough tests, you do training and start as fucking cog in grinder. No one was sugesting going from homeless gopnik to corpo ceo in one quest.

B-But CDPR was the best developer of the century.

says the guy wanting to play as a cop or a CEO in a fucking cyberPUNK game

Is this a fucking bot?

>play as in game
>do it IRL on Yea Forums to pay bills of his twitch slut
wew

well we know this since last year. And honestly the classes that are in 2020 it would be extremely hard to make it work in video game playable without 10 or more years of work. Looking at cop or media, these two classess alone requires different set of quests and story to make sense.

Hybrid vigor

is hard to do what you want faggot with a small budget and with shity consoles power in the first place, second it will take years and maybe 1000-2000 people to make it like you want and at least 200-300 million $ budget and even then current consoles will not run it. I also want a cyberpunk RPG game with a city like pic related when you can explore it, fight smart AI, can choose classes, can explore on foot, air the city, etc but that shit will not happen, only in 10-20years.

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It's literally Witcher 3 in the future with better combat... I don't know wtf you fags were expecting.

>these two classess alone requires different set of quests and story to make sense.
Not really, they could just make it like Elder Scrolls where there is one overarching main story and your character starts out at this nobody, but through side quests you can tailor your RPG experience.
For example in Skyrim there is this overarching main story of the Dragonborn, but if you want to play as a mage there's this huge questline on the side at the Academy place.
They could make something like that for Cyberpunk as well.
There's an overarching main story and you start out at this nobody mercenary, but you can through an extensive sidequest rise up in corporate firm which tailors your skills and allows you to progress through the main story with the skills you obtain from learning corporate shit- They don't have to have all these vast sweeping changes to the main questline, just extensive side-quests that allow you to tailor the RPG aspect more. Right now it seems more like you are just this merc and that's all you're going to be from beginning to end.

>you're a merc no matter what
everybody is nothing but a merc irl - you work your ass of for your own personal benefit and climb the ladder

>small budget

they got $27.4 million bucks from the polish government alone you based fucking retard

also they peaked their dev count only a few months ago at exactly 400 people. what fucking games have 2000 devs working on one project?

>polish government

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name 1 RPG where your character isn't preset like that and you can play as a character doing any possible job availible in game universe. just one.

they already confirmed there will be side quest chains for different factions, just like in skyrim

TW3 even got $7 million from the Polish government as a grant, to stimulate the economy. High levels of brain damage detected. High levels of brain damage detected.

>expecting peoples videos games to turn out like your autistic delusion
>criticism
WTF why dont they give Mario an assault rifle?

>based

Says the ESL

It is though.
You’re likely going to be able to branch to different paths from your starting role as a Solo

do you really think we live in a fucking commie state?

It was EU funds you iliterate fuck cdprojekt.com/en/capital-group/eu-projects/
All Polish gov did is to choose who gets the money so stop spreading this fake info

we expected RPG. why ? we were told numerous times how this game is suppsedly different from withcer 3 and how rpg it is.

>we were told numerous times how this game is suppsedly different from withcer 3
name one instance

FIRST PERSON SHOOTER

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Thanks for further confirming that I'm correct. The $7 million dollar grant allocated to TW3 came from the NCBR of Poland, who's $116 million dollar budget came from some EU establishment.

retard, completely misses the point

>and not preset as some outlaw character
user. It's cyberpunk. Punk is in the very name of the genre.

i hope you idiots dont expect anthing else than
>badass characters trying to be badass in cutscene
>drive to story mission location
>kill grunts + boss
>get some phat l00tz
>rinse and repeat

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ok gimme 15 mins mate gonna compile some shit up for you. just sapm this board so it doesnt get archived

>why isnt this tabletop shadowrun
Because it's a video game, faggot

first one for example, i have mroe to find

gamesradar.com/its-an-rpg-before-its-a-shooter-cd-projekt-reds-patrick-mills-on-cyberpunk-2077s-fps-perspective-political-storytelling-and-tabletop-inspirations/

Found the autistic faggot

>skyrim
oh nononononono

>not preset as some outlaw character?
They stated this at the last E3

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I have the same issue since they started showing off the game more last year.
Was hoping for a lot of freedom when the original concept was announced, the limited classes and voiced protagonist almost completely killed any excitement I had for it.

I only care that there is a boobs slider

>I'm Solo, I'm Han Solo

>I have a feeling that this game was originally far more ambitious and creative.
Yes, and they decided to railroad the experience to make something more akin to a blockbuster film. The GTA comparisons are not just in the graphics.

>first they said pic related
now description under trailer says:
>the open-world, action-adventure story from CD PROJEKT

see how they changed narrative, from muh rpg before anything else to just le story

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Did you even read what you wrote? Yes money came from NCBR who gets money from EU so how can say it is funded by polish gov? And your 7$ million is for cyberpunk 2077 not witcher so just embarrassing yourself an admit you were wrong

OH NO NO NO NO

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Yep. You can be a Solo mercenary outlaw, a Techie mercenary outlaw, or a Netrunner mercenary outlaw. Hyped.

So you think megacorporations pick up gutter rats and hand them opportunities? Hah.

Voiced protagonists have killed roleplaying games

The criticism of this game only gets more retarded as time goes on.

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I remember once getting in an argument with some faggot around here who was talking about how no MMO developer "knew how to do it right" because they hadn't made a super MMO with millions of quests and personal attention to each player via floating gm's hovering around building everything in the moment.

And I told him what I'm going to tell you know; you have no idea the resources this shit takes, so shut the fuck up, you absolute fool. Play tabletop, or watch some Sword Art Online and jerk yourself off, fag.

>he's this mad

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>choose you backstory
>does nothing else besides adding skillpoints in certain categories

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I don't see how this criticism is even a tiny little bit more retarded than "MUH SUN".

But you're still going to buy it anyway, as with every other game Yea Forums complains about.

Everything we've seen is from the intro. Character Creator is in the game.

no rpg, no true cyberpunk. buildings are low as fuck and original aesthethic and rpg elements are lost.

cdpr shills keep defending poleshits for free and sucking their cocks

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So what the fuck do you wanna be then? A law abiding citizen? Guns disabled. Only pepper spray allowed. How would that be a fun game? If I wanted to be a cop or some law-abiding soldier I would play CoD or some other shit like that.

once the setting and engine are established, maybe there'll be more freedom? If the gameplay is tight, I'd fucking love to play a Cyberpunk Cop game.

so your whole point is that description on steam says action-adventure instead of RPG, even though the gameplay showed plenty of RPG elements?
you still failed to name one instance when CDPR said the game would be different from W3, which was your original point

If it’s a game intended for “mass appeal” then you can count out any form of deep and satisfying RPG mechanics. The deeper and more interesting the RPG mechanics the more narrow your appeal because today’s majority don’t want to *think* and be punished for making bad decisions in video games anymore. It’s less about challenging yourself and more about the power fantasy in these sorts of games. It’ll probably be fun but I feel like I could pass it and not feel like I missed something special

That's not the same area in the city, is it? You're doing the same shit you faggots did with MUH SUN garbage. Now that its been shown that nightcity looks amazing at night, you strut over to something else. Pathetic. Just don't buy it and gtfo. Easy

>le ebin still going to buy it argument because he thinks everyone is just "CONSUME PRODUCT AND MOVE ON" and is projecting
He based

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That's right, there should be 20 different campagins to account for every possible choice.

So if they used the word "RPG" instead, would you believe that the action and adventure elements are lost despite plenty of details showing that they exist?

In about 300+ days from now you'll still be complaining about it, with some screenshots from your torrented version to support the complaints in your posts.

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I've wanted to be this for like 5 years

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Not every single trailer youtube video description must include phrase "RPG", especially if you choose "story" instead of "game".

which rpg elements did it show ? only character creation thats about it. game is aas much rpg as gta or assassins creed is.

>I saw a trailer and I wated to be this particular character from it even though there was no indication it was MC, and if I can't then game bad
does your tard wrangler know you snuk onto the computer again?

oh 5 mins i will dig it out, completely forgot about that one

Newfags genuinely don't remember anything from the initial 2013 announcement

Completely agree with OP. It looked open ended and complex before e3.

Now it looks like some shitty watch dogs mtn dew walmart plot.

character creation, stats, skills, quests, inventory, upgradable equipment, loot, dialogues with different outcomes, context actions, multiple approaches to missions, consequences of choices
what other rpg elements are there that you miss so much?

Almost none of the normies excited for this game know that it's supposed to be a sequel to a pen&paper RPG and is going to be a fancy audiovisual representation of 0.0001% of the original game's potential. They don't have any expectations, which is why they're so hyped for it. You, as well as I actually know what 2020 is about, and for us so far all we've seen is a specific campaign with set characters and a limited amount of options. An incredibly small slice of the Cyberpunk experience. For the vast majority that slice is amazing because they're dry land fish being pissed on. They don't know what actually swimming in water is like.
There's no way Cyberpunk 2077 will let you roll a persuasion check to trick an enemy into thinking their safety is on. Or [insert literally infinite possibilites for every situation here]

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trannie

It's 2018 all over again

polygon.com/2013/1/11/3855760/cd-projekt-red-staying-true-to-cyberpunk-roots-with-printable

oh nonono when did they say it will be muh rpg ?

cdpr shills btfo

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Can such game even exist with full voice acting and AAA graphics?

Or, it's more like:
>tabletop game gets game adaptation
>tabletop has nine classes that directly determine your role in society
>see a cop as the central figure in the announcement teaser
>read interviews about cdpr saying they want to push the bounds of roleplaying games
>2018 trailer drops
>everybody initially thinks the characters in it all represent V as different classes and roles
>they come out with all the information saying that there are only 3 classes which only affect combat
>no faction association whatsoever
>you're forced to play as a bazinga quip slinging merc and "roleplay" through that narrow lens
>this is too make the experience more "cinematic" because normalfags can't into roleplaying without a voiced protagonist
I don't think my dissapointment is unfounded.

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Ohh then enlithen us, with some sources like this one from 2013 which tell us cp2077 will not be blade flopper, yet people to this day are butthurt becasue cdpr "changed" the game from blade flopper to gta

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Then play the tabletop. What kind of braindead retarded expectations do you have for video games, much less RPGs? Even cRPGs of the 90s didn't manage narrative depths and separate gameplay paths as what you're expecting, and they could cut corners with randomized dungeon layouts, and other generated filler.

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I'll one up the question, name one rpg game eever created that allows the same freedom as pen and paper rpg

there was a character sheet and multiple choices shown in the gameplay demo

I've made zero statement about blade flopper. You're goal post moving. They clarified very early on about the rocker aesthetic.

>Players speculate themselves into a mountain of hype
>get disappointed when the game doesn't do something it was never trying to do or claimed it was trying to do
You played yourself.

>I thought it was supposed to be more of an RPG and not preset as some outlaw character?
then I guess you're retarded

more like
>I never played PnP so I am completely oblivious to the fact that classes gave you different backstory and 1 skill so I will repeat blllshit just to fit in

happens when you waste all of your money on useless shit like grafics and voice acting.
corners will have to get cut, and they decided that gameplay and options are less important.

welcome to the future.

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I think CDPR could have done it. I don't think you're digging deep enough if you think tabletops are simply impossible to adapt. I think they chose not to for possible creative reasons, like a voiced protagonist.

Except I wont, my PC is shit and can't even run it and this is the only post I've ever made that has had criticism towards Cyberpunk 2077.
Stay mad and keep projecting your own insecurities on everyone else :)

>I had absolutely retarded expectations that no rpg game ever did I made up myself
>game bad because it didn't met them

If you can play as a cop, that means you are a cop. You cannot be a cop and 2077. That is all I was saying. I understand the classes in 2020 are relatively barebones.

CDPR shills will hate on you and call you a faggot for saying this, but it's the truth.

The only thing I'm currently worried about is being forced into wearing this clown ass jacket because of street cred reqs. It's not a proper RPG unless it's a solid dress-up as well.

>corporate cocksucker
>I want to play corporate game, corporate game is different then I envisioned.

I would say you are the corporate cocksucker.

There aren't any. Which is why CDPR should have at least attempted it. Instead the priority is the fancy graphics first, by-the-numbers gameplay second, and incredibly limited freedom last. This game is what it looks like when you take someone's already finished campaign and make a movie out of it.

see

You're correct in that if they hadn't come out in 2013 and said the things that they did that I wouldn't be dissapointed. I don't think I'm wrong in expecting and wanting more rpg mechanics. Most people who have been followed this game back then were aligned with this view.

Cybershit will be shit

>No I won't eat the sour grapes, I can't even reach them

>he's illiterate
Nice

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>There aren't any. Which is why CDPR should have at least attempted it.
lmao

This game comes from Witcher devs. How delusional you must be to expect anything decent at this point? C77 will be at best 7/10 and only if the story is good. Besides that this will be average nu shooter like Rage 2.

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>character creation
First-person, sucker. Never going to see that.
>stats
That give no meaningful choices and make no meaningful difference, likely just gating the main story until you've ground up enough so CD Projekt don't need to make alternate routes.
>skills
Within the three trees that you will be forced to fill out in one playthrough, because they don't have enough content to waste just a single ability.
>quests
"Go here, kill mooks/retrieve glowing object/enter quest objective room to find SHOCKING M. Night Shyamalamadingdong twist"
>inventory
Oh so sassy. By far the most spunkgargleweewees have a fucking inventory. It's not an RPG thing.
>upgradable equipment
"Oh, I can make numbers big and remove enemy. This is truly a roleplaying experience."
Being able to solve a situation with equipment lessens the RPG elements.
>dialogue with different outcomes
"Obvious correct answer"
"Answer that will start a fight"
"On second thought, I don't need anything"
If they can't make more than one player character, they can't make dialogue trees conducive to roleplaying.
>context actions
As mentioned, ones that are unskippable QTEs and "require" an ability you have to buy to get through the game.
>multiple approaches to missions
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"The player will not specialize in a single one, but will instead master all of them over the course of the story".
If you could choose between completing it as a Solo and as a Netrunner, they wouldn't have forced you to play a mix.
>consequences
See the above. A complete drought of any kind of choices and depth means that consequences will be limited to a few big choices during main quests, and they'll loop directly back into the story after an NPC chews you out.

Shill all you want, but CD Projekt got the money and they cut and run. This is just a way to get the last of the money. Witcher is old hat and they have a pedigree.
They're going to release a trash fire, disband and spread across big-name AAA studios.

Just think of all the extra content they would have been able to jam in if they didn't pay for Keanu cameo and MoCap

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>if they hadn't come out in 2013 and said the things that they did that I wouldn't be dissapointed
what did they say in that reveal that suggested any of the retarded shit you envisioned? I'll need some quotes bucko

>its another “””””RPG”””””” where you’re given a name, voice, background and set path with only slight deviations from choices and a final choice in the end
Oh boy, I sure love this kind of “RPG”

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The Witcher is an RPG and that's even more restrictive. You're Geralt, and you can't change his appearance or anything.

Cyberpunk looks a bit like Star Wars Kotor - your character has a set place within the universe, but you can customise their appearance and qualities to your heart's desire.

This.

>if you like a video game on a video game board then you're just a consumer
>but I'M not a consumer despite being on this same video game board myself
What a fucking brainlet, cocksucking faggot.

kys fag

How can you be disappointed about something you never expected, because they never said it would be that?
Are you legit that retarded and petty? That's pretty embarrassing user.

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That's pretty standard fare for WRPGs, user. They're never going to be the same as tabletop RPGs.

Did Poland here a shit ton of shills for E3 or what the hell is going on in this site right now?
It's like I'm on 9gag or something with all this celebrity worshiping and extreme shilling for this game.

im preordering it

seething trannys on the replies

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So what you expected? Separate campaign for every single class from PnP?

you didn't disprove any of those things being in the game, you are simply trying to downplay them based on nothing but your own assumptions

>expecting rpg after witcher 3
Enjoy your cinematic experience, now with hollywood actor that happened to eat half of our budget.

>food analogy

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The game is set in the world of Cyberpunk, and it is about that world, but is also a story given through the perspective of a criminal. Just like Baldur's Gate is a story in Faerun and features people and things in Faerun but it is also about a Bhalspawn adventurer not about baking fresh Faerun pastries even though bakers probably exist in that world. Making a game about being a corporate boss engaging in office politics and business sims, a journalist who investigates and writes stories, a cop who investigates and arrests perps, a rockerboy playing guitar hero and writing music, all of these are interesting but they'd be very different games from each other. They would require so much detail and coding that there are actually games entirely dedicated to even playing one of these things in any real depth. You ought to go off and complain that in Guitar Hero you can't be a cyborg thief carrying out heists instead of playing music. Then you ought to go complain that in Rainbow Six Siege you can't play the game as a business and political simulation. Cyberpunk will supposedly have perks where your character is also a musician or also familiar with corporate law, but they're minor because the game isn't a dedicated simulation for those things.

Dragon Age: Origins had a nice different tutorial area and story for each race/background. It didn't have a completely different game for each. You didn't play a turn based 4x strategy game if you picked being a noble. The game didn't turn into a detailed survival, stealth, thievery game if you picked being a low class rogue. The gameplay and the main story was mostly the same regardless, except with mage getting it's own unique class.

>$27.4 million
>compared to the $100 million to $250+ million budgets of most AAA games
Fucking idiot.

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most of what you said is straight out of your ass, you describe witcher and not cyberpunk.

>Responding to a double-barrelled audience question regarding character classes and the potential for multiplayer, Kiciński said that "it will be possible to put together your character, and they will range throughout various classes.

They already confirmed multiple classes.

How much do you get paid for trashing Cyberpunk 2077, you corporate cocksucker?

Post some sources, you keep spewing what they said and I bet everything you learned was from here from retards making stuff up

I told y'all it was going to be the witcher 2077

It's not impossible, but so incredibly implausible it's not even funny. Since you're clearly retarded, let me fill you in. Every new path and choice means storyboarding new paths, so that's the writing division, but now you also need new game play so you absolutely need to generate different ideas of mechanics, abilities, etc or it's just a reskin. Speaking of skins, now we need new models and items to better represent that, so get the concept art team, the modelers and texture artists as well as animators. Oh, but those quests also now need voice acting too, and that costs money too. We good now, right? Oh wait, no. We still have to test it all in Q&A for bugs so hire them on for even longer. All that money and time for one more path. And that's not even touching base with nightmares of RAM constraints.

It's literally making a whole new game over again. So yeah, it's fucking retarded to just imagine "just give me more durr". It's never been done, and probably never will. If you want p&p, play p&p.

in which RPG title you aren't given a background and a set path with deviations based on choices? even in the old isometric RPGs you still were forced to play a certain character even if you were able to name him. you always were Baal's Child. you always were Vault Dweller.

>They hired a Hollywood celebrity that literally dates trannies for the game
>This will make trannies seethe
did something go wrong with your programming there or are you just following your shill scripts?

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A burger made from pink slime, topped with moldy tomato, wilted brown lettuce and curdled ketchup between stale buns is a burger.

I'm not denying it's a burger.

I'm saying it's not fit for eating, but I am saying that the people who're putting it out with a picture of a huge juicy burger with double Cheddar cheese and onion rings are a bunch of scammers, and I'm saying that the people blogging on social media that they're going to buy it and eat like 100 and there's no way ever ever ever it's bad and "you can't expect anything more from a burger even if you've eaten a billion better ones before, you don't get it this is a different breed of burger" are either shills or impaired.

But it's still a burger.
You get what I mean?

its just the default starting jacket, im sure theres way better loot

witcher 3 budget was 81 million now double that and add in 27 million and you get the cyberpunk budget

well you'll steal be able to work for certain factions and possibly betray one and help the other for your own profit
why care about joining factions anyway
even New Vegas, a game very focused on the factions didn't have that, I don't remember that becoming a legionnare or NCR soldier was an option
besides, joining faction usually means "okay now you're our master and you can use our hideout and steal our shit"
so congratulations on cherrypicking certain lines from dev interview and blasting the game, Yea Forums did it again

Don't buy it then.

In The Witcher you're Geralt whether you like it or not, and you can't even customise his appearance (can you customise his traits? I've never played it). The Witcher is critically acclaimed, of course.

In Star Wars KOTOR you're a set person in the story whether you like it or not. And again, those two games are critically acclaimed.

Cyberpunk looks much more like KOTOR than The Witcher in that respect - you can customise your appearance to your heart's content.

You're a fucking idiot.

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ANONYMOUSE SAY NO BUY GAME
ME NO BUY GAME

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still* fuck
I legit slept for 2 hours because of bethesda shit conference and I'm half conscious

It was eu gibs and it is 25 million but zloty not $

Let me ask you a big brain question.

A company makes a shit game.
They then make another shit game.
They then promise to make another game that is not shit.
But evidence comes out that it's shit in the same ways that the original game was.
When confronted with this, the company panics and uses word magic, then finally caves and admits it, pushing it as a good thing.

Are the chances that the game has the same flaws a) lesser or b) greater than average?

cool moving of goalposts, but you argued that game has no rpg elements, now you agreed that there is plenty of them after all
also
>food analogy

Apply everything you just said to deus ex.
Still one of the best rpgs of all time.

I think not having a voiced protagonist would have been better for the purposes of roleplaying.

we're still waiting for those quotes that said that game will be widely different from W3 btw

dude it has actors dude fuck off

The point is that $27 million is not going to transform your game budget. If your numbers are correct (no idea if they are because I haven't checked) then $27 million is just 14% of the game budget.

I think Cyberpunk looks pretty awesome, and I don't think there's any point in saying "I wish it had tons more features" when it looks like it's already had a hell of a lot of work put into it. Modern games take so much fucking work with their physics, lighting, models, animation, all of this stuff. Not to mention acting and performance capture, scriptwriting, concept art, etc.

I did not for a second argue that the game has no RPG elements.
I was implying that even though it has, it does not in the least change the fact that the game is shit and is going to be shit, and that "RPG" does not mean "quality".

Also, "analogies make me see truth, truth is scary, must decide analogy bad".

There's nothing from the recent reveal that even implied you wouldn't be able to choose a path and make a specific type of character.

Stop taking surface-level shit and flipping it into something it isn't, you insecure, autistic spergs.

also, more freedom = less story, prove me wrong
and CDPR is a company focused on writing good stories, if you want freedom you can play skyrim or minecraft

If that's true then it's only $6.6 million USD. Really not a huge amount in the context of an AAA game budget, when most AAA games have budgets of $100 - $250 million or more.

>I did not for a second argue that the game has no RPG elements.
ahem
>which rpg elements did it show ?
>see how they changed narrative, from muh rpg before anything else to just le story

>I didn't like the game from said company.
>I didn't like another one.
>They promise to make another game.
>Woah I'll most likely hate it.
This is all you said essentially.
Witcher1/2 were ok games for their time, Witcher 3 was a good game, like it or not, but the majority of people LIKE the game.

>hurr-durr majority of people are dumb, only me and people who sit in Yea Forums for days are smart wojak.jpg
just dont reply if you hold this opinion, im cba.

Yeah very true, if you want to tell a good story then you basically need the character to fit into that story.

Otherwise you would need to write stories for all the different kinds of characters you could be. And the amount of work that would take would be ridiculous.

I've not really played Skyrim but even that has a pretty set story doesn't it? You're a dragonborn, and you're fated to kill all the dragons and save Skyrim, right?

BECAUSE

Deus Ex was made to be a single-protagonist game focusing on said protagonist, with the themes and plot designed to make sense from this character's viewpoint but also with some implications that he might not be seeing the same things other people are.
It portrays a setting through knowing what it wants to do and focusing on that.

This mess is the scaffolding for a game with a completely different format (sandboxy, with many different NPCs, customization, multiple solutions and easter eggs) that then was used to build a low-effort spunkgargleweewee with superficial customization and a completely different plot.

You could take Ocarina of Time's framework and assets and try to build the world's best racing game with the world's best crew and it would still be ass.

>greentext summary means you're wrong

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>hand them opportunities
Are you retarded or what? YOU EARN YOUR SPOT. You can start as a fucking pawn of that corporate bitch, do shit for her and she might employ you full time, than you do more shit build trust and meet other corporate people, have a chance to become full emplyee. Is it that hard for you to think of?

>b-but it's hard
>b-but we'd have to make so much more hyper-realistic graphics
>b-but we'd have to record infinite lines
>Why don't you just make simpler graphics and not have so much voiced dialogue?
>FUCK YOU KURWA SUKA we just want to make the game that's easier to make and easier to market to retards

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>everyone who disagrees with me is the same person

At least look at that guy's posting style and then at mine.

>implying the Witcher or KOTOR 1 are real RPGs
I love making great choices about my character like being Good Revan or Evil Revan.
New Vegas barely gives you a background besides being hired one time to deliver the Platinum Chip. Everything else is left up to you.
>inb4 Lonesome Road
You can tell Ulysses that he’s mistaken.

i like how early trailers got it all right, but then they released GTA5

>spunkgargleweewees
Yahtzee fan.
You hyoercontrarian faggot, point to a single rpg where you don't play as a set dude in a set story.
Even if you can customise your class, race, sex, background a'la divinity os, baldur's gate, Arcanum etc, you still play as source hunter, bhaalspawn, crash survivor.
You still go through the set storyline.
Hell, some of the absolute greatest rpgs ever see you play as a set character, in a set story.
JC Denton, Nameless one, the Avatar, Bhaalspawn, Arisen, Fledgling vampire.
Don't be such a namby pamby little turbocock crybaby.
If this game doesn't offer you what you expect it to, don't fucking buy it.
End of.

absolutely based. when will these retards at Yea Forums stop giving money to these polish nigger shits ?

they havent made anything else then muh cinematic cutscene junk

There’s loads of games to play for a good story.
There are very few games which actually give you freedom, Skyrim is not one of them.

Yes it fucking is, This meme about polish 10000000000$ comes from one fucking article from some completely illiterate retard, I don't know why everyone repeats it, go there
cdprojekt.com/en/capital-group/eu-projects/ You can check which projects got eu funds, now go here ncbr.gov.pl/fileadmin/user_upload/import/tt_content/files/lista_rankingowa_4_1.2_2016_poir__gameinn_aktualizacja.pdf
see
>Rekomendowana kwota dofinansowania [zł]
add everything up

>Are you retarded or what?
Are you? They don't pick up street trash and haze them you moron. This isn't a Disney movie. They have an entire erudite social caste to recruit from. They all have deep rooted nepotistic tendencies and consider themselves far better than the common person. They're not a fucking meritocracy.

whos even going to buy it ? lol who even buys games nowadays ? u must be retard who preorders everything.

have you ever heard of torrent ?

>Can't be a straight up police-man, can't be netrunner, can't be corp
I have no idea what the fuck you expected, man, you can't have a custom storyline for every possibility. Being a cop or corp would force the story to deviate so far that it's just unreasonable to even expect it.

However, I will say that one thing I wish that someone would do with an RPG would be to not just create a single 100-hour storyline, but instead have like 8 or 9 different stories, one per class, and have them each be 10-15 hours. They could all be set so they take place in an overlapping timeframe, so you'd get different perspectives on the same story. Some sidequests could overlap between classes, too, so they wouldn't have to have 100% fresh sidequest content for every class. And then you could have a couple classes that don't really overlap with the main story. I think it would all be doable. You'd still have 100 hours of content, just split into 9 different unique storylines of 10 hours length apiece. It would be very replayable.

>*Footsteps*
>"OH NO, HE IS COMMING"
>*Footsteps getting closer*
>"MY PAID SHITPOSTBOTS WILL SCARE HIM AWAY WITH SHITTALKING"
>*Shitpostbots launch their insults but CD-PROJECT-RED only start smiling because it doesent work on him*
>"NOOOOOOO I PAID FOR THEM WITH ALL MONEY FROM DUNGEON KEEPER ONLINE AND STARWARS BATTLEFRONT, HIS REPUTATION IS TOO STRONG"
>*Footsteps are getting even closer*
>"HE IS ABOUT TO CLEAVE ME WITH CYBERPUNK!!!! ITS FUCKING OVER, MY MICROTRANSACTIONS, MY DLC, MY SJW PROPAGANDA. HE WILL END THEM ALL!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"

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No one cares, you whining faggot.
Just kill yourself.

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Dragon Age: Origins is kinda like that. Where you have 6 different 1 hour backstories.

>skyrim
>huge questlines
Where is my blacksmith questline
Where is my dedicated alchemist questline
Where is my archery questline

Skyrim has side quests for character archetypes, "Warrior", "Mage", "Theif", "Assassin". That's it. And none of the skyrim questlines as 'extensive', the ONLY extensive guild questline in an elderscroll's game was Oblivion dark brotherhood.

Fucking counter-shills.

holy shit shills can't even read don't look at the pretty pictures but read the text below them.

You know how I know you haven't tried game design before?

What you do goes like this.
>opening cutscene showing landing in Night City, atmospheric shit, first-person so easy for the Pollacks
>you get message on phone containing first tutorial quest which leads you to major NPC who remains with the specific splat through the game
>this NPC has a single quest with you to teach you the stuff specific to your splat
>you then get sent on to main story
>each main NPC has one or two specific lines for characters with a specific trait - recording is the cheap part once you have the characters and VAs
>you then do the main plot, occasionally being reminded you're black or a corpo or female by NPCs or by text fluff
>after doing mid-game quest, you get back to NPC, who gives you another quest
>this quest showcases your abilities but also challenges them, being made specifically for this splat and thus filled with customization
>you go back to main quest
>immediately before endgame, NPC contacts you again and has you do Big Quest where you do in a nemesis or the like

This is not impossible. In fact, it has been done multiple times over with VtM:B.
By the fans who made the fucking Clan Quest mod in their parents' basements.

stop pretending to be retarded. you have to be idiot to not see that skyrim had way more freedom and different ways to approach things than cyberpunk 2077 ever will have.

also skyrim is shit overated game as cybershit will be

RE6 kinda tried. Although it is not rpg and it is shorter

You are completely assuming things, first off.
Second, who is to say that this game will in any way shape or form differ from deus ex?
You could easily cut deus ex into a 'streamlined' showcase for an e3 preview.
Third, drop the faggy zero punctuation term. It isn't cute, it's sad.
Fourth, your zelda/racing analogy doesn't hold up, dumbo.
CP and DE are the same genre.
Fps with rpg elements and choice based gameplay.
And
They both have a fixed player character, with a fixed story.
In fact, one could argue that CP is MORE of an rpg, given the protag gender, and the talk of actual major story changes based on player agency.

In short, you are a contrarians faggot.

I don't want to restart the game every 10 hours.

new vegas

b&r

Absolutely BASED.
how will shitposters ever recover?

>New Vegas barely gives you a background besides being hired one time to deliver the Platinum Chip. Everything else is left up to you.
yeah dude, but it forces you to play as the Courer, so it's a shit rpg. also you can't play as a journalist writing for a paper in New Vegas, and I wanted to play that, so it's double shit.

>you have to be idiot to not see that skyrim had way more freedom and different ways to approach things than cyberpunk 2077 ever will have.
I literally just opened this thread, I'm not the other guy
Get your words out of my mouth, then go cope, have sex and dilate

>hurr because you use the word "evolution" you believe in it
Same logic. Yahtzee made a word that describes a game that's not a shooter but shares elements with it, I use it.

The thing is, the game marketed itself on a sustainable concept that was still possible for a hard-working crew.
"You are an Edgerunner."
This is the same as "you are a fledgling vampire".
But this is the same as "you are a fledgling vampire named V, who works as a vampire assassin and you only take the most dangerous jobs".
Even the fucking scrapped Histories system from Bloodlines allowed more choice than that, and that was in 2004 on a shoestring budget while being actively hamstrung by Valve.

>you had 6 different tutorials
amazing dude

Just fund Star Citizen and play that when it comes out.

Yeah, like that, but make each of them 10-15 hours (plus sidequests, which could be like 25% class-unique, 25% overlapping with some but not all classes, and 50% global for all classes) and that's the entire game. The fact that it would all take place in the same world, same timeframe, and generally follow the same events but from different class-unique perspectives could make this a very viable thing to do.

I thought New Vegas was supposed to be more of an RPG and not preset as some courier character? Seems a bit disappointing to me that you are kinda locked into this nebulous moral character that can sway to each side a little bit but in the end you're a courier no matter what. Can't be a straight up police-man, can't be casino owner, can't be great khan, only mildly interfere in these matters.
I have a feeling that this game was originally far more ambitious and creative.

Here is the magic.

In New Vegas, you can say to yourself "well I'm a journalist who did this to make ends meet".
In this game YOU ARE V, A BADASS MERCENARY WHO ONLY TAKES THE MOST BADASS DANGEROUS JOBS.

See the difference?
One allows you to fill in the blanks, the other actively fills in the blanks for you after promising that you'll be able to.

K.
So explain how main quest works where you are a criminal, working your way up in the world, but also corpo or cop or what have you?
You gonna just make it so 'lol you were under cover' or something? Like that would hand wave away massive contradictions in your story?

Why do you need to be able to play as all the CP TT classes anyway? If you were doing a themed campaign where your game master specified you are all members of a gang, would you screech at him that you NEED to be able to play as a cop?

You could make up your backstory as a journalist, and your whole adventure is you trying to get the whole story for a massive exposition newspaper story your character is writing :^)

Even if each time you played a different class you were getting a completely unique story? It wouldn't be like restarting a standard RPG, you'd be starting a new story every time. And of course the 10 hours would be in addition to sidequests, like I describe here:

Absolutely based
crybabies BTFO

yeah, apply your own logic and say to yourself "I'm a journalist but I became a mercenary to make ends meet" in cyberpunk as well

>mildly interfere vs can’t interfere at all
Former is still superior to the latter

based

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Right. So tell me how deus ex isn't a spunkgarglewee.

Easy.
If you're a corpo or cop, the first mission is a setup, or someone screws it up for you, and you end up hunted by your own employers.
Or you get chosen to be undercover like you say.

I don't want a 100% customizable PnP experience.
I want a replayable experience that's defining of the setting.
I don't care if it's on rails or not, as long as there are multiple tracks and once in a while you can stop for a cigarette.

>EU gibs
Finally they're doing something worthwhile with our membership fees.

But I want to play as a cop who isn't double crossed.
Why can't I play as that?

Incredibly bluepilled

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oh so you know for a fact there will be no interaction with major "factions" because...

I like that this, the most sensible answer, has no replies because zoomers are literally afraid of reading and writing.

Eat your hearts out EU taxpayers, your money is going to Keanu Reeves.

>Noun
>spunkgargleweewee (countable, plural spunkgargleweewees)
>A video game characterized by cover-based shooting and a story orbiting around an aggressive action on the part of a villainous country or organization, to be neutralized by grizzled male protagonist by the use of quick-time events and automatic fire

Deus Ex is not a spunkgargleweewee because it has dialogue trees, it has no QTEs, it does not have obligatory cover-based shooting (done HR three times with only stealth and the tranq gun, and it still feels different because of the other options) and it has a story that has value on its own instead of being "the X invaded Y, are you a bad enough Z to get it back".

I'll buy cyberpunk twice and there's nothing you can do about it.

I don't understand what the big deal is about having an actor in a game? Marketing purposes I guess? Why not put that money into making a good game instead

Ask the people who're clamoring for that, because I'm not.

What I want is not PnP-level detail, but multiple choices that are representative of the setting and have real impact.
As long as I get that, I don't particularly care.

Your strawman is too obvious.

On the steam page you autistic retards.

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its a good idea

Play the fucking TTRPG

I'm not really mad at you, user, just frustrated and trying to shake you free of vidya's dissapointing nature by design. All developers want to cuck you into paying full price for a slivered experience of a living breathing world. This about it, it is cheaper and easier and less work to do so. So why should they?
This isn't a shitpost. Come, I invite you to ask around on /tg and find out for yourself how vastly superior traditional gaming is to modern digital equivalents. You can literally do anything with the power of creativity and imagination.

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>I thought it was supposed to be more of an RPG and not preset as some outlaw character?
How is this different from Witcher when you're stuck playing Geralt and everyone has a boner over it being 'best RPG' or whatever?

then why was the story in base w3 so shit?

What are you trying to prove?

The game is loosely based on a book. Why you'd think it would be 100% open/free is beyond me.

or you have main storyline (searching for a chip) but have different beginigns, and after like 10 quests it sends all characters on same path, but every character can do these shared quests a bit differently. in between when u have to do this shared main quest you have some side quests for maybe policeman, for trauma units, for criminal, for netrunner, for solo for whatever u want. it isnt that exepensive or hard to do. but cdpr just doesnt want to give us freedom becuase they cant create anything else than nicely follow story we wrote for you and watch cutscenes.

>How is this different from Witcher when you're stuck playing Geralt
its not
>and everyone has a boner over it being 'best RPG' or whatever?
they’re retards.

I thought Deus Ex was supposed to be more of an RPG and not preset as some agent character? Seems a bit disappointing to me that you are kinda locked into this nebulous moral character that can sway to each side a little bit but in the end you're an agent no matter what. Can't be a straight up police-man, can't be a man in black, can't be a greasel, only mildly hack into these matters.
I have a feeling that this game was originally far more ambitious and creative.

we hate the Witcher here, didn't you get the memo? having any kind of backstory for your character is only good when the game was made in Japan

>They have an entire erudite social caste to recruit from. They all have deep rooted nepotistic tendencies and consider themselves far better than the common person. They're not a fucking meritocracy.
Yup you are brain dead, you claim there were no people who managed to climb up, in all of CP history and multiple storys.

>The game is loosely based on a book.
It's loosely based on the Cyberpunk 2020 rulebook, but it's not like it's based on a novel.

w1 is an amazing, if flawed, little game. that opewn world assassins creed clone that normies love is alright too, I guess?

>Yea Forums - I'm Going To Pretend I Hate Everything Because I Have No Personality And I Want Attention For Being Provocative And Contrarian

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who did every say to you deus ex is an rpg , and how retarded you must be to believe it ?

>it has an actor in it so it's a good game
???

>I thought Baldur's Gate was supposed to be more of an RPG and not preset as some Ball's Child character? Seems a bit disappointing to me that you are kinda locked into this nebulous moral character that can sway to each side a little bit but in the end you're Baal's Child no matter what. Can't be a straight up city guard, can't be a blackmisth, can't be an inn keeper, only mildly slash into these matters.
I have a feeling that this game was originally far more ambitious and creative.

Holy shit, are you legit retarded?

Deus Ex is LITERALLY WHAT YOU DESCRIBED.

Brainlets think that anything where you assign stats or skill points is automatically an RPG.

How many excuses and backpedaling will you do when disappoiting details are released? Yea Forums is finally waking up to how disappointing TW3 was and how many promises weren't fulfilled.
And back when it was new we had fag shills like you absolutely seething over the fact people demanded what was promised and would make excuses for anything

How do you know that's not what you are getting?
I don't see your issue.
If the game comes out, and it isn't rpg enough for you, just play shadowrun or the tabletop game.
Otherwise, play it.
Problem fucking solved.

in the end it wont matter because CDPR are masters of marketing. they're basically the new bethesda, sweet little lies but with better animations

enjoy ;)

>having any kind of backstory for your character is only good when the game was made in Japan
Nice strawman. J“RPG”s are trash and aren’t even close to being actual RPGs

>dishonest no u
I can feel the asshurt, fucking kek

I don't get this. If people want to play a tabletop game why not play a tabletop where you are allowed to make up whatever you want.

I swear it's like people expect companies to have milions in the bank and able-bodied workforce to push out multiple 30 hour spanning storyline for each background story in Cyberpunk. CDPR is already fucking it's employees in the ass with their workload.

Because a group of people is literally telling me lies intended to get my money for less effort and fewer expenses on their part, and it is making me almost as mad as it is that other people are starting a bongo circle to drown out anyone who criticizes it.

There you have your reason.

I wanted to be a cop.

I just want a good game, not some empty open world that is supposed to be good because

fuck cybershit and fuck kojima too btw

Maybe they should spend less money on celebrity cameos and more on the game and their employee salaries

Everyone who posted in this thread is retarded, including me.
Fuck I hate you all.

No one cares about a bunch of pollacks not making ends meet in the nation of free healthcare.
This is about shitting on popular shit because the url reads '4channel' and replies are like cocaine.

what is a title you consider to be a good RPG?

I thought Final fantasy 7 was supposed to be more of an RPG and not preset as some spikey haired twink character? Seems a bit disappointing to me that you are kinda locked into this nebulous moral character that can sway to each side a little bit but in the end you're a skinny twin with dangerous hair no matter what. Can't be a straight up shinra ceo, can't be a chocobo, can't be an unexpected living house robot thing, only limit break into these matters.
I have a feeling that this game was originally far more ambitious and creative.

hollywood name*
based truth

yeah so it seems. look at the faggot above who descirbed games that have stats or invetory are rpgs . lol even cod has invetory for different guns

>I swear it's like people expect companies to have millions in the bank and able-bodied workforce

The absolute state of capitalism.
That's supposed to be why they have the rights to keep the people's money in the first place instead of handing it back to the state after taking their wages.
But now, it's expected for a corporation to not be acting in the consumers' best interests because ??? it's a lot easier to sit and shill and feel superior about that than it is to voice a single complaint.

why do CDPR shills always try to change the argument and focus it on something else?

They're describing it as an 'action-adventure story' now, so yeah, I think they scaled it back a bit

answer me please, I want a reccomndation for a good RPG, prefferably superior to CP

No, a group of marketers are hyping up a product.
WAIT TIL IT IS OUT.
RESEARCH.
buy it if you like it, don't if you don't.

Instead, you are here, complaining about it, alongside a bunch of other people who can't understand that getting excited over shit is fun.
Hell, I enjoy the hype threads over games I haven't, and will never play.
It is nice to see people happy, excited and engaged in discussion about shit.

Don't be a fucking curmudgeon.

If you aren't interested, just ignore threads about it.

>I swear it's like people expect companies to have milions in the bank and able-bodied workforce to push out multiple 30 hour spanning storyline for each background story in Cyberpunk
For a AAA gane after the massive success of TW3. You bet your ass I do. Get that dick out of your mouth.

see

Cyberpunk 2077 will undoubtedly be a good RPG. I have very little doubt in their character writing or their branching narrative. I was expecting a little less cinematic focus and a little more in roleplaying from a tabletop adaptation is all. I'm not really a fan of playing alcoholic scumbags, personally. I still think it will be a good story. I was hoping we would be able to choose our protagonist.

>but xy isnt "real" rpg
>muh pnp
>they dont come as when I was young
how about you grow up already, or die

This is a discussion board you fucking retard. Do you you expect everyone to be mindless consumerist numales like yourself? Fuck off.

Everyone who is posting in this thread is passionate about shit, and probably means well.
I may disagree with one half of you, but I love you all.

Basically anything with faction association already has an RPG scope wider than Cyberpunk 2077.

yeah so you can say 'this is shit'
how about instead I tell you how all the quests in witcher 3 amount to following red trails and the world is empty and the combat is shit so you can seethe more?

Why don't you start innovating instead of making the same movie games over and over again

story has nothing to do with RPG, if there are no roleplaying options then it's not an RPG, just like w3 for example, which is an action-adventure game with lite RPG elements

>OMFG KEANU REEVES?!?!?? OMFG EPIC
>THIS IS THE MOST EPICEST GAME OF ALL TIME
>THIS SHIT GOT MY NIGGA KEANU REEVES IN?!?! THIS GAME IS GOING TO BE GREAT
>Oh yeah what about the gameplay it looks a bit standard
>OMDF FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU I JUST CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE ALL THESE SHITPOSTERS HATING ON POPULAR THINGS ARE KILLING MEEEEE

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wow, an actual smart person. What if this was secretly 'straight Male V' user

>never criticize, never doubt, never suspect, never enlighten, never inform, never debate, never expect
>just wait and make worshipful monkey noises until the sweet sweet shit juice comes pouring down into your little Epic Games cubicle and SLUUUUUURRRP
>better not look outside, better not talk to the guy in the next cubicle about it, better not think about that you were promised a hundred times what you got
>because it's Fun (tm) to SLUUUUUURRRP (tm) and anyone who expects any other content than the shit juice is just anti-fun and doubleplusunright
>wait, here comes another load
And that's how you'll end your days.
If you feel nothing at that, your loss, not mine.

???

Go and play a game where you can be a cop then, faggot.

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>"I want absolutely different story lines and people I interact with for whatever playstyle I want"

You're asking for way too much OP. Not a single game has pulled this off well since it's so much fucking work to do, it's like making several games into one.

OHNONONONONO

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>frog poster actually makes a good post
This is like 1 in a million. CDPR shills absolutely BTFO

You were locked into geralt in witcher and plebs loved it. Plebs will love this too.

join the 40%

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see, you are afraid to name any RPG titles because you know that your critisisms of Cyberpunk would apply to that game as well

How is it possible to be this much of a fucking idiot?

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Sure, they've compared V to the Witcher in terms of how he is "set" with personality traits and behaviors. I was expecting more.

what criticism is that? the game isn't out yet. I've only told you witcher 3 is shit

Get to work then. We don’t need another movie game.
It’s the fucking Current Year and games from a decade ago did roleplaying better than modern “RPGs.”

>a straw man is a good post
How is it possible for somebody as fucking moronic as you to exist?

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>they've compared V to the Witcher in terms of how he is "set" with personality traits and behaviors.
Wait, seriously? Link?
If true than its even less of an RPG than I thought. Holy fuck.

>Go play DnD

Or, you know, Cyberpunk 2020

This confirms you are either a dumb discord tranny faggot plebeian or a 10-year old zoomer. Probably all

WHY DON;T THE GAME DEVS JUST SPEND MOOOOOORE MONEY!!!!
OH MY GOD I THOUGHT THEIR BUDGET WAS THE SIZE OF FRANCE'S GDP WHAT THE FUUUUUUCK!!!!
I FEEL SO BETRAYED!!!!
WHEN I MAKE A VIDEO GAME LIKE THIS ILL MAKE SURE YOU CAN DO WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT YOU CAN EVEN LEAVE THE CITY AND GO LIVE IN A SMALL TOWN AND BECOME A FARMER FUCK THAT WOULD BE SO FUCKING COOL AND IMMERSIVE OH MY GOOOOOD!!!!
HOW COULD CDPR BETRAY MY EXPECTATIONS LIKE THIS!!!! OOOOOH MYYYY GOOOOOD IM SO FUCKING UPSET AND RETARDED AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!

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>WHY DON;T THE GAME DEVS JUST SPEND MOOOOOORE MONEY!!!!
OH MY GOD I THOUGHT THEIR BUDGET WAS THE SIZE OF FRANCE'S GDP WHAT THE FUUUUUUCK!!!!
I FEEL SO BETRAYED!!!!
>>spends money on celebrity cameos

lol mad tranny

Not that grumpy faggot, but:

Arcanum
Ultima 6 & 7
Ultima underworld
Heroes quest/quest for glory (ega)
Baldur's gate 1 and 2
Planescape torment
Divinity original sin 1 and 2
Neverwinter nights hordes of the underdark
Neverwinter nights 2 mask of the betrayer
Dragon age origins
Mass effect 1
Knights of the old Republic 1 and 2
Fallout 1, 2 and tactics
Eye of the beholder 1 and 2
Vampire, the masquerade
Deus ex and deus ex human revolution
Dragon's dogma
The witcher 1,2 and 3
Dark souls 1 and 3
Demons souls
Bloodborne
Drakkhen
Gothic 1 and 2
Fable 1 and 2
Savage worlds
Martian dreams
Pillars of eternity
Pathfinder kingmaker
Morrowind
Daggerfall
Stonekeep
Shadowrun & Hong kong

Take your pick.
That's my list of good shit.
I'm probably forgetting heaps though.

>Yea Forums - Neon Enthusiasts

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>witcher 2/3
Not an RPG tho'

>user-defined tags
Wow it's fucking nothing. User-defined tags only prove that people are fucking stupid. The Batman Arkham games are all user-tagged with "Fighting Game."

HA HA YOU'RE RIGHT user IF THEY HADNT SPENT MONEY ON KEEANU REEVES THEY WOULD DEFINITLY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO AFFORD TO CREATE ALL THE QUESTS AND DIALOGUE AND OTHER SHIT NECESSARY FOR DOING LITERALLY ANY JOB IN THE CITY HOLY FUUUUUUUUUUUCK WHY DIDNT THEY DO THAT
WHAT THE FUCK CDPR GOOOOOOD DAAAAAAMN IT IF ONLY YOU HADNT SPENT 50% OF YOUR BUDGET ON KEEAAAAAAANUUUUUUUUUU YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THE GAME LIKE 10 TIMES AS BIG WHAT THE FUCK CDPR IS THE FUCKING WORST IM EVEN MORE UPSET NOW WHAT THE FUCK OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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It was in an article last year. I've been trying to look for it for the last for few threads. I'll reply to you again if I find it.

>if main character cant be transhybrid woman of xers choice, it cant be rpg
your actions in game still decide who will end up on throne of nilfgaard for example, yeah, no choice

>akchually it's not an Ar Pee Gee because it doesn't fit this definition I came up with

Gee, really?
Here I thought it was a contrarians hangout for people to screech about
>muh sunshine
>muh no classsseeedsss
And shout down anyone who doesn't think it is the end of the world as a shill or as this faggot seems to think a lack of unbridled, seething negativity makes you, a consumerist drone.

Face it, you aren't here to discuss.
You are here to spew bile and revel in negativity.
You are depressed.

That's okay though, you'll probably immediately recoil and shreik 'projection reee' but user, maybe instead, go find a general for a game you like and go post something good and worthwhile about it.
You might actually feel better about yourself.

nope, sorry, geralt's personality is fixed, thus it is not an RPG
>le tranny
but CDPR supporters are the trannies, have kids

>Keanu
>Taking big paychecks
100% they got him for cheap because he liked working on Johnny Mnemonic and this is the same genre.

Why are you so mad they fucked up?

they haven't fucked up at all though are you unironically pretending to be retarded jesus christ

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>HA HA YOU'RE RIGHT user IF THEY HADNT SPENT MONEY ON KEEANU REEVES THEY WOULD DEFINITLY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO AFFORD TO CREATE ALL THE QUESTS AND DIALOGUE AND OTHER SHIT NECESSARY FOR DOING LITERALLY ANY JOB IN THE CITY HOLY FUUUUUUUUUUUCK WHY DIDNT THEY DO THAT
>WHAT THE FUCK CDPR GOOOOOOD DAAAAAAMN IT IF ONLY YOU HADNT SPENT 50% OF YOUR BUDGET ON KEEAAAAAAANUUUUUUUUUU YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THE GAME LIKE 10 TIMES AS BIG WHAT THE FUCK CDPR IS THE FUCKING WORST IM EVEN MORE UPSET NOW WHAT THE FUCK OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This, but unironically.

Good idea but I don't think RPGs are the right fit. Who wants to play a ten hour RPG 10 let alone ten of them?

>And shout down anyone who doesn't think it is the end of the world as a shill or as this faggot
It's the opposite faggot. Nobody mentioned your shitty strawman points, but actual criticism. You're the one sperging over actual discussion and can only muster shitty misrepresentation and half assed excuses in response.

>Spend millions on celeb cameos
>thinks people are now unreasonable for them not doing more with the gameplay even though they could've done more if they hadn't tried pandering to every single 12-30 year old person in existence by spending millions on Celebs

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they guy I replied to was crying that CP will force to to be a mercenary and he wanted to be a cop, so it's not a real RPG. every one of those games forces your character into some kind of role role as well, because every rpg does that.

>personality is fixed
>player still can make different choices that affect outcome of story
yup rpg

nah, sorry, you can keep crying about it, but fixed roles are not the same as fixed personalities. geralt's personality was 100% fixed in w3 and likely it will be the same for c2077

You're actually mad as fuck over criticism and then actually acted retarded with your cruise control shitposting that contributed nothing. Get over yourself.

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were talking about the original, faggot

While I wouldn't argue to say it isn't an RPG, but any game where I can't make my own character hurts my interest a lot.

>can't roleplay
>yup rpg
sorry but your shilling checklist is not going well

He says, shouting down something he disagrees with, whilst Ignoring all the post in the thread that are crying about a lack of classes. And the fact that the lack of night time was a huge deal on Yea Forums.
Come on now.
Try harder user. You're worth more than this.

Reminder character creation and an unexplained backstory gives multiple opportunities for enjoyable replays, whereas a fixed personality, name and backstory makes replaying less interesting.

>The Witcher is an RPG
lol

Yep.
I agree.
The nameless one is a walking slab of scar tissue. He updates journals like a madnigga.
Whether or not he is nice or a cunt. You don't get to change that about him.

Cyberpunk will have the same thing.

People ITT are only mad about this cos they wanna be mad about something.

When da2 was coming out, it was all "haha biodrones think choosing an origin makes an rpg good, witcher 2 is goatest of all time rpg" threads fucking ALL over the place.

Now look at this board.

The more I read about it, the more it sounds like Far Cry, if anything. Open world. First person. Skill trees. Linear story.

Only difference is that CDPR is shilled a lot more. Ubisoft’s reputation isn’t as good obviously

Yep.

You shoot dudes.
You are a set guy.
You can make some limited choices but the story is mostly set.
There are some rpg mechanics, like an inventory.

So how exactly is it not in the same category as your yahtzee buzzword games?

>oh no people don't agree with me anymore shame on them!!@!!@
a bloo bloo more faggot. also don't compare the masterpiece planescape to your shitty action games

>He says, shouting down something he disagrees
I'm shouting you down because your a dishonest faggot that has no intention of being taken seriously and hasn't contrubuted to any discussion. Quit acting retarded.
>And the fact that the lack of night time was a huge deal on Yea Forums
Nope, that was your shitty straw argument tghat you could spam in a greentext to any criticism anyone brought up. It happened in every single thread until straight V guy came along and pissed you all off and ruined yuour threads. So many of you shitposters left after that, the game can almost be actually discussed again, but some of you still hold out like these threads are your sekrit circlejerk and no wrongthink allowed. You are the problem with nu/v/. Sincerly eat shit.

>roleplaying a famous witcher is not real roleplaying, reeeee

some people like it, some not, I much preferred playing geralt compared to potentially playing some random witcher or if some people itt were to be satisfied, even some completely random person from northern realms

Holy shit mate, you need to relax.
Go drink some water.

And re read what I said.

>playing a set character is now roleplaying
Guess literally every game to ever be made is an RPG

It’s basically Gerald The Bitcher in the future

Saying that I’ll probably still play it, it looks cool. Face it user old farts like us who remember actual character choice being left to the player are being outmoded. Our dying days will be filled with preset voiced characters and arbitrary neutrality; the golden age is gone, there is only the darkness and death.

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Eat shit, you don't control these threads anymore.

>roleplaying a soldier in call of duty is not real roleplaying, reeee
if anything black ops 2 is more of an RPG than shitter 3 because mason's personality does change based on chosen events ;)

"never played cyberpunk before" the thread.

>Who wants to play a ten hour RPG
I would. All killer, no filler. Shorter games often provide tighter and more interesting experiences. Plus, there would be sidequests; I'm only saying the main quest would be 10 hours long.

>let alone ten of them?
If each class offers enough unique/varied gameplay and if the story and characters are interesting, I don't see the issue. Plus, you'd largely be getting new perspectives on the same world and main story, participating on different sides of conflicts, etc. So if the story is compelling, it would keep you wanting to learn more.

Meh, I'm excited for this game regardless and this will undoubtedly by a day one purchase, will probably take several days off work to really sink my teeth into this game. That being said, I do see where OP is coming from. Seems like literally every single game nowadays where you have a lot of 'choice'. You are just some sort of mercenary character. It makes sense, because mercs will fight or work for whoever as long as they get paid which is an easy excuse to experience working with a plethora of people, see multiple sides of the story, and have your morals be ambiguous (could be a cold blooded killer who only cares about the money or actually do things the way you want).

That being said, I am getting a little tired of this trope and would prefer something newer and fresher. Doesn't really bother me too much though. Actually the fact that Keanu Reeves is in this game bugs me quite a bit, I feel like whenever I see him I'll remember it's just a game and it'll break immersion for me. Hopefully he is not in the game a lot. I do not like this trend of having Hollywood actors in video games, and I think unfortunately Kojima is the one that started this trend. Don't mind Hollywood voice actors tho but just use a different character model ffs

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>these games which have been widely regarded as RPGs for a decade or more are actually not RGS
>they're something else because the real definition of RPGs is what I say it is, even though according to it about 5 games in total are "real" RPGs
>for my next essey, I will explain why only Bladerunner and 2 novels are real cyberpunk

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Can't wait for this new grand theft witcher

I knew all this was going to happen. I knew retards on Yea Forums would overhype themselves for this game with all the retarded threads about how you can supposedly play every single class and role in the PnP and how you'll be able to do anything, beat the entire game as an anchorman without leaving a building and go explore all continents in the planet. You faggots have no one to blame but yourselves for this 'letdown'. Anyone thinking it was going to be more open than the witcher games deserves to go on suicide watch about you having 3 classes and 1 personality

I would unironically like a GTA game not made by R* as long as it was good. Probably shouldn't be this game though.

Hello, is this the official™ Cyberpunk 22077 shitposting thread?

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player is Geralts personality, not some "chosen events"

Gentle reminder

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this, 2077 looks pretty good

Minecraft

>>roleplaying a famous witcher is not real roleplaying, reeeee
But you aren't playing 'a famous witcher" you're playing Geralt. Some dude someone else wrote up and takes actions without player involvement (as part as some plot I imagine).

It kills my interest personally.

>seething bootlicker cuck can't be a cop in a video game
kys my dude

yup it's MGSV all over again but for the horny and lonely blade runner fags

Reminder
This is autist who spam Keanu and C2077 shitpsoting threads with wojaks and shiet.
>boards.fireden.net/v/search/filename/compressed-/type/op/

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>But here’s where the familiar starts to creep in. V, your player character, is no nameless blank slate. While you can choose the gender and origin of the character, he or she is more like The Witcher’s Geralt. V has a voice and a personality. The developers believe that makes the characters more interesting and identifiable.
slashgear.com/cyberpunk-2077-details-first-person-rpg-with-a-cool-stat-12534067/
To be quite fucking honest with you though, I have no idea where the fuck this article is pulling information. I found this amongst a breadth of other articles and direct interviews basically saying the exact opposite. I've tried reverse searching for keywords like "identifiable" and found nothing.

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It's not cyberpunk though.

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>rpg
>roleplay as one role
I guess CoD campaigns are RPGs now.

>CHOICES BAD
Thanks, we got it.

Thanks for the source bro. I’ll take it with a grain of salt but its certainly not out of the realm of possibility

Do you not love 80’s Synthwave?

>huge questline on the side
>like 6 or 7 quests going into caves retrieving something for someone and delivering it to them

holy fuck i fucking hate the skyrim generation. oblivion had way longer and more intricate questlines, starting with the fact that you actually had to have a recommendation from every mages guild in cyrodil before you were even able to start the quests. skyrim you jsut walk onto a bridge shoot a fireball and, wow, you're in!

i see what you are saying but using skyrim as an example is retarded and just shows that you are like 14 and have no idea how the real world works, let alone video games

>muh personality
t. retard posting same shit over and over, despite being shown that you can take hundreds different choices with different outcomes in cdprs previous games

>buy
You’re retarded.

thats absolute bogus, the witcher games were never about the combat or the gameplay, the story and dialogue was what made them worthwile

This game is the most overyhyped generic piece of trash, it remind me of those games from 360 era that got boring after after a few minutes.

way to miss my point you failed abortion. You probably think I'm against the game too. Go fuck yourself with the rest of the reactionary shitposters

Where is the WE ARE NOW HERE poster? It's E3 already.

the fans say it is an rpg when you complain about the shooting being trash. then when you complain that there should be more viable builds they say it is a stealth prodding game.

>doesn't have an argument
>seethes with rage and blurts out a butthurt ad hominem because he's too thick to think of an argument
Delicious.

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It’s a Russian dev so everyone on /v is sucking it’s dick even tho the game design and graphics are outdated as fuck

Can you imagine how salty this fag is that CP77 is doing so well.
I think there is a good chance of him killing himself when the game breaks all sales records on release.

Fuck off retarded false flagger

>Wake up
>we have a god to slay

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Fuck off pol fag, this game is shit

I'm not though, but keep staying delusional thinking that literally only a single person on the entire board has criticism.

Yeah, if it was random from zero to hero dude, there would not be person who wrote the different quests and choices and outcomes behind it, right? Anyway, I liked it that you played someone who got history, friends, connections in the game world, but still being able to do my own decisions and shape geralt and game world the way I want.

>uses the first example that comes to mind because Skyrim was the most recent Elder Scrolls and the one you played most recently
>some dude absolutely flips shit at you because you didn't use Oblivion as an example instead

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Yep, it's just future GTA

An RPG is a game with:
A stat screen that means something (what you spec matters)
At least one (1) choice

That first one is failed by a majority of “RPGs”, so many just let you be a jack of all trades and I think it’s because game devs are too lazy to program multiple approaches to situations. An example of a game I wouldn’t consider an RPG is skyrim. Nothing you spec matters and you can experience most of the game without investing any skill points. All you’ll miss out on are the gimmicks locked behind skills.

Last (You) from me

>it isnt rpg unless there is x builds
lel

look retard, the reason i said Oblivion would be a better example is because, gee, I don't fucking know, Oblivion has way more LONGER and INTRICATE questlines which was a central point of your post? Skyrim on the other hand, does not have LONGER or INTRICATE questlines, as detailed by my example of shooting a fireball to get into the mages guild vs how you get in in Oblivion.

This is truly the worst board on this entire site. The average user on Yea Forums is a completely fucking stupid mouthbreathing faggot incapable of even the most basic reading comprehension. I'm sure even Yea Forums or /mlp/ is better than this shithole.

You're a fucking retard. End yourself immediately

all these retard zoomer babies in this thread saying it's impossible to have something that was in Gothic 2 and Morrowind 20 years ago. have fun with gta: fifth element.

>pol fag
so xe is tranny after all lol, wtf, I though tranys like cdpr

The complaint that you are locked into a single character archetype is completely valid. It's not much of a roleplaying game if your role is laid out for you, now is it?

WAAAAAAAA I THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST 3D RPG OF ALL TIME WITH THOUSANDS OF HOURS OF CONTENT!!!!

YOU TELLING ME THERES NO ROUT THAT LETS ME WORK A CUMPEE 9TO 5 THEN COME HOME AND WATCH ANIMU!!! INTO THE FUCKING TRASH IT GOES

That distinction had nothing to do with the point he made and you're the one who failed at readin comprehension buddy. The guy he replied was saying there would be too much work to make long quests for each class (which is retarded and isn't necessary). The user you're sperging out over suggested just to make shorter side quests and that making intricate quest line only for one class isn't necessary. Then you went on a tangent about skyrim vs. oblivion. Learn to read and go back.

Are people like this fucking retarded or are they pretending

Just because you have a set background doesn't mean it's not an RPG. Wizardry wouldn't be an RPG following that logic: sure, you can be a wizard, a samurai, a warrior, etc., but in the end all of you are "adventurers".

>The Witcher (Polish: Wiedźmin [ˈvʲjɛ̇ʥ̑mʲĩn]) is an action role-playing game
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Witcher_(video_game)
>The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings (Polish: Wiedźmin 2: Zabójcy królów) is an action role-playing hack and slash video game
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Witcher_2:_Assassins_of_Kings
>The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt is a 2015 action role-playing game
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Witcher_3:_Wild_Hunt

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Imagine being this angry and disingenuous.

>literally nothing like the retard op asked

>absolutely goes completely insane over just saying it was an example and turns it into a Skyrim VS Oblivion argument completely losing any semblance of sanity and starts screaming like a zombie gorilla

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Don't forget what CD Project Downgrade did to The Witcher 3.

The Witcher has you assume the role of Geralt
Star Wars KOTOR has you fulfilling a particular role too (I won't spoil what the role is if you haven't played it)
You're a fucking idiot

Oh no, in Deus Ex you play as JC, it's not an RPG it's a linear shooter.

Imagine being a bitch that gets ass fucked every fucking day

and that's why witcher is not a role playing game but an ation game

Neither of the games you mentioned are RPGs

>The distinction had nothing to do with the point he made
>honestly the classes that are in 2020 it would be extremely hard to make it work in video game playable without 10 or more years of work.
>Not really, they could just make it like Elder Scrolls
>For example in Skyrim there is this overarching main story of the Dragonborn, but if you want to play as a mage there's this huge questline on the side at the Academy place.
>huge questline on the side at the Academy place
>This is a retarded example, Skyrim doesn't have long or intricate questlines at all, far from it. Oblivion has those
>LOL U DIDNT EVEN RESPOND TO HIS ORIGINAL POINT

Another example of a mouth-breathing dumbfuck retard incel on Yea Forums who can't read

Yeah yeah greentext all you want buddy, you got owned and you know it. Now suck my cock fag

>believing what the normies say about what defines a videogame genere
yikes and bluepilled

Yes THIS

SO MUCH FUCKING THIS

BOLDERS GATE ISNT A AREPEEGEE!

name one (1) RPG

>you got owned and you know it
You need to be 18+ to post on 4channel.org Yea Forums board

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Post yfw you realize that there are no rpgs at all.

Right? Your mom sure does take it pretty hard.

>Gets absolutely and unequivocally btfo
>"y-y-you have to be 18 to post here"

Judging by the fact that you think Skyrim has long and intricate questlines I think you are the underage here

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KOTOR 2

Mostly C2077 threads are made by one person. You're exception in this case. Picrelated

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>greatest RPG like Witcher, Deus Ex and Gothica are actually not RPG at all

I'm not the same user but I'll do it for you:
>kenshi
>mount and blade
>objects in space
>the elder scrolls 1-5
and thats only of the top of my mind

>>LOL U DIDNT EVEN RESPOND TO HIS ORIGINAL POINT
This, but unironically. Learn to read and learn to argue redditor.

By that definition, no video game can be an RPG.

Why should anyone care what you define as RPG?

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True, but some are closer than others.
And by your definition every game where you play as a character is an RPG.

A rpg is more than just story and dialog. By the same logic you could say vn are great rpgs

based retard

decent bait but not fooling me. try harder next time

I feel that this argument has been around for 5 years now.

Please don't tell me corporations are now putting Hollywood celebrities in games to make them sell more...

That completely ruins the immersion, I don't want to see Samuel L. Jackson in my games.

No, my definition of an RPG is a primarily stat-based game with character growth and customization where you make choices in dialogue and gameplay that affect outcomes and character development for yourself and/or NPCs around you.

I already disproved this bait reply: Yes they are you fucking idiot.

These guys are correct:

>he's illiterate
Does jerking yourself off feel good?

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Those are just the mechanical classes
They said you can help the police, join a corporation and other shit.
Techies and Netrunners were always basically just Solos with different skills, they weren't social jobs like Fixers or Rockerboys or Cops

So your definition is basically mine just without the “you make your own character” angle.

They make action RPGs you fucking idiot.

True, the defining feature of an RPG is character customisation, particularly on being able to level up different skills, and being able to play the game in different ways - e.g. one person might level up their stealth and play as a stealthy assassin, while someone else might level up things like strength and play as a barbaric warrior.

Cyberpunk has such a levelling system. Which is why it's an RPG.

RPGS with direction are the best rpgs, want to roleplay as a fucking werewolf play shit ass Skyrim. I like my rpg's with a strong narrative and central direction.

Based

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>>>/reddit/

I just don't know why I'm being made out to be the shitposter since nothing in the post is typed like a retard going insane like the shitposter who you showed off here

>still trying to win
face it buddy you lost this argument. but thats the great thing about Yea Forums, it's anonymous, so no one will ever remember how stupid you made yourself look in this thread

The brailet sethees that his only response to an argument is quoting wikipedia. Ok sweetheart believe everithing you read on the internet and don't try to reason, that will make your brain hurt

>They said you can help the police, join a corporation and other shit.
No, they didn't

face it buddy you lost this argument. but thats the great thing about Yea Forums, it's anonymous, so no one will ever remember how stupid you made yourself look in this thread.
Get owned and suck cock faggot *dab*

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city of heroes
SWG
archeage

>tes
it literally locks you into hero of the land (dagerfal, empire, skyrim) archetype, therefore it cant be rpg according to xes definition

>mount and blade
idk about vanilla game, but most mods do lock you into savior of the land archetype too

tldr you can choose how you deal damage to the opponents, but thats about it

>you didn't fool me, but here's a (You)
:^)

i'm getting the last word in. not you. loser. you lost. you're dumb. you think skyrim is intricate. you're stupid

All shit

no is not do you know where electronic role playing games come from? Charcter progression and dialog options are rpg inpired mechanics, but by having some of them in your game doesn't make it a rpg

if you actually think CoH or SWG are shit then you're retarded

Kenshi

Not as hard as you take it from your dad every fucking night

>cities of heroes
Yeah, and it looks like a PS2 game, go figure.

Yes, pretty much. As long as you can make dialogue choices that change V's tone/attitude, how he is perceived by people, and affect the outcomes of conversations and quests then it's fine. Him being a mercenary with a certain goal is not a problem for me, it's just part of the more limited nature of video games compared to tabletop RPGs.

but inside of being the classical monomyth hero you have every other choice about your character and how to play it. If at least one third of the game elements sprouted from your imagination chances are you are playing an rpg

>mount and blade
a game where you are put on the map and told to do as you please with your self-made character. Yep that is in fact an rpg, now go fuck yourself with your "I saw one mod made by some bielorussians..." faggotry

Trust me, she takes it way harder.

Cope more EA