The Doom Slayer is not the Doom Guy from Doom 1&2

The Doom Slayer is not the Doom Guy from Doom 1&2.

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He is nigger behind his helm

Proof?
>inb4 MC Dipshit over here thinks this is what black skin looks like under heavily green-tinted glass

wrong

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So what?

Yes he is. Doom Slayer is the same one as in 64, which is the same one as 1 and therefore 2

here's your (You)

According to the 3026 he is

Is it like one guy trying to push that Doom Slayer is black now, he clearly isn't

I agree. It explains why they dug him up from hell and brought him to Mars in the new game.

Also when you beat that one boss you see his old friends saluting him. None of that shit was in the original games.

What about Dooms 3-63?

Yes he is. Shut up.

>Doom 1 and 2 had their own continuity with its own Doomguy
>Doom 3 was a reboot with no intention of being in the old canon
>Doom 2016 was also another reboot, but this time id just straight up called it Doom again
>in over 25 years of Doom, not once has it ever been confirmed by any official source that all applicable Doomguys are the same Doomguy
What else do you need senpai? Because im sorry sweetie, but coming in decades after the fact, and try to connect all the games by being all, ''Lmao, all Doomguys are the same because dimensions lol'', just wont cut it. It wont be just a prank bro.

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Looks like Nightmare Imps are in. Fire purple flames, teleport.

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>in over 25 years of Doom, not once has it ever been confirmed by any official source that all applicable Doomguys are the same Doomguy
2016 Doomguy is 1/2/64 Doomguy.

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>conveniently ignores Doom 64 where Doomguy stays in Hell to continue murdering the shit out of demons
>Doom 2016 references a guy who had begun a one-man crusade against demons in fucking Hell ("They call him Doomslayer" etc. etc.)
Yeah, Doom 3 is whatever. But nice job conveniently ignoring the thing that ties it together, faggot.

>>Doom 1 and 2 had their own continuity with its own Doomguy
>>Doom 3 was a reboot with no intention of being in the old canon
>>Doom 2016 takes place on a parallel Mars, linked to the setting of 1/2 by a shared hell, making it self contained enough to start a new generation on Doom, but add some extra flavor for long time fans

Why’s it matter if he is? Why’s it matter if he isn’t? It’s Doom. The only people who should care this much about it are those in charge of writing the ‘data logs’.
What’s ironic is the same original creators who thought story in a game was as important if it were in porn made a better story: All the stupid shit in NuDoom isnt more interesting than a space marine getting fucked up at the end of episode one, finding himself in hell, and fucking it up so much they open a portal to get him out of there. Just stop trying so hard.

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>Pain Elementals are coming back

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That’s the prowler from the first game’s multiplayer.

>the final "Doom Guy" game from classic continuity (Doom 64) has protagonist stay in hell to fight demons
>the first "Doom Slayer" game in new continuity (Doom 2016) has protagonist discovered in hell after aeons of fighting demons
HMMMMMM

Oh ok.

>Doom Slayer is "not human"
>he is nigger behind his helm
It checks out

>guy who spent hundreds of years in hell has a tan
Nooooooooooo, who would've thought

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No 64 had an unamed marine, no way to confirm if it is same guy

......

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Doom 64 manual:
>"Your fatigue was enormous, the price for encountering pure evil. Hell was a place no mortal was meant to experience. Stupid military doctors: their tests and treatments, were of little help. In the end, what did it matter - it was all classified and sealed. The nightmares continued. Demons, so many Demons; relentless, pouring through.
>Far Away...
>The planetary policy was clear. An absolute quarantine was guaranteed by apocalyptic levels of radiation. The empty dark corridors stand motionless, abandoned. The installations sealed.
>The Present...
>A long forgotten relay satellite barely executing, decayed by years of bombarding neutrons, activates and sends its final message to Earth. The satellites message was horrific, from the planetary void there came energy signatures unlike anything sampled before.
>The classified archives are opened. The military episodes code named "DOOM" were not actually completed. A single entity with vast rejuvenation powers, masked by the extreme radiation levels, escaped detection. In its crippled state, it systematically altered decaying dead carnage back into corrupted living tissue.
>The mutations are devastating. The Demons have returned even stronger and more vicious than before. As the only experienced survivor of the DOOM episode, your commission is re-activated. Your assignment is clear: MERCILESS EXTERMINATION."

Spinoff shit doesnt matter, nor do games unrelated to Doom. With Quake its just cross promotion retards. Theres even a Doom 3 Doomguy skin there isnt it? Wouldnt that mean then that Doom 3 Doomguy is also Doom 1 and 2 Doomguy? No, it wouldnt. Even if all of this were true, I already said that retroactively trying to connect their damn franchises decades after the fact with weak shit like ''dimensions lmao'' is fucking retarded.
>linked to the setting of 1/2 by a shared hell
The only thing you niggers have is literal head canon fanfic like that. But please, if im wrong, show me how im wrong. Show me the evidence. A fucking log from the game, a piece of dialogue, something that without a shred of a doubt connects all the Doomguys.

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Trolling

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I think the winged thing we see is NOT an angel or at least a true one. I think it is Hayden posing as an angel creating a "heaven" for the survivors (These are no longer your to protect) possibly using the Sentinel realm as his basis.

I also think the cult isn't worshiping demons but angels. Not god himself, or the righteousness the angels represent, the actual powerful physical forms of the angels.

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>Spinoff shit doesnt matter
id Software treats all character bios written for Quake Champions as canon, since they were handled internally.

I don't understand what the issue some people have with them being the same character. If id wanted it to be kept ambiguous or for them to be completely separate people they wouldn't have written that little blurb in the first place.

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Doom is $10 on PSN should I get it? Is the PS4 version good?

Sup Doom Guy

Same guy.

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>enemy spawns the most annoying enemy in the game
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?

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New enemies so far:
>arachnotron
>arch-vile
>pain elemental
>carcass
>dread knight
>marauder(might be a boss though)
>doom slayer(probably a boss)
>prowler(not really new though)
>whiplash
>gargoyles
>those new angel priests(they might be just npcs though)

Holy shit that's pretty cool.

how long until someone makes a meme of him being splattered against a wall?

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See this:
But mostly just....
Who the hell is the Doom Slayer, if not Doom Guy? Why is there a human being that was found in Hell, wearing armor (the Praetor Suit) that looks human in design but doesn't come from Doom 2016's world, even though it has HUMAN numbering written on it?

The least complicated answer is, golly, maybe he has a connection to that Doom character that stayed in hell to fight demons at the end of 1/2/64. Do ya think?

I mean there's no absolute proof that "Sonic Adventure"'s Sonic is "Sonic 3 and Knuckles"' Sonic but it's a safe fucking bet isn't it?

>spawns them at a high rate if not dealt with immediately
>rockets get blocked by those little flaming cuntstains
>usually surrounded by cacos as well
>2-3 spawning together in later levels
>defacto use of the BFG is to deal with Pain Elementals and their faggot children amid the swarm of cacos because BFG tracers are fucking magic
I hate pain elementals as much as I hate Arch-Viles. I somehow don't mind that they're coming back.

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People equate Doom music to satanic shit, but it's quite literally the opposite. Doom guy is a fucking Crusader, all the games music is therefore Holy warrior music. Doom guy is a Holy man.

>ignoring that Quack Champs also lets you play as Doom 3 guy

>Doom guy is a fucking Crusader, all the games music is therefore Holy warrior music. Doom guy is a Holy man.
he fights angels and will probably fight all of heaven in this game tho

>yes but no

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This is so fucking retarded I love it

Rusty Doom lore master here, there's text evidence to suggest both sides.

The reason people claim they arent the same is because of those guardians seen in Hell, it's clear Doomguy is part of them. This and the fact that the lore texts technically dont talk about anything before 64 and certain factors mentioned in those texts suggest major unseen adventures.

However, if they were to just naturally assume that doomguy was only the leader of the guardians it doesnt answer why he has space age military armor and extensive knowledge of advanced weaponry.

The most important thing is what the headcanon matters to people. Even if Id wrote that doomslayer to not be OG guy, people actively want that in their character now so by eternal it will for sure be canon.

This is magnificently fucking retarded
I love it so much
Holy shit
This is amazing.

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Well he's just all around based then, music isn't demonic though because Doom guy fucking hates demons.

In normal speak that means yes but if the game needs to do something that contradicts canon people should chill about it.

Character bios are canon, costumes are not. Unless you think Ranger running around in a high school football uniform is also canon.

When do we see under the helmet?

Hopefully never.

Both Halo and Doom are releasing around a similar time frame so it's got me wondering; how far would Doom guy make it in Haloverse?

I really dig his face.

Why do you think that's sacred? Weve seen the other doomguy heads.

Here you go.

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he wouldn't give a shit until halo gets its own hell

>Making his face much clearer
Why? The best part of his character was the fact he had essentially no character, humanizing him like that just seems idiotic.

That's fair. For all we know though, those Guardians could have teamed up with Doom Guy while he was in Hell, he might've gone on all sorts of demon-killing adventures in between 64 and Doom 2016. Yeah, that's headcanon, it's just there's still the fundamental question of why he has that military armor, as you said, and the least complicated answer is probably that he's just the same guy as the protagonist that exists in the same series, it's not much of a leap.

That could be contradicted by Doom Eternal though. We'll see.

Because it doesn't matter, and it'd probably result in another forced story segment where you're forced to stand around for a while.

WHERE WAS THIS SHOWN

Nowhere. Bethesda gave the clip to one of those joke Doom twitter accounts.

>doomguy's so fucking pissed at not-satan being rewarded for fucking up humanity in the long-term that he literally fights heaven itself for vengeance

Then you never read the original manual. He put his CO in a body cast for ordering him to pull a My Lai. Yes, he's not exactly super deep, but it's the simple execution of his character that makes him work. No, I'd never want to hear him talk; because he doesn't need to in order to communicate his irreverent chaotic good attitude. He breaks shit when he deems it unnecessary and in the way, he doesn't fuck with anyone who consorts with hell, and his solutions to evil problems are shoot at it until it dies. Like I said, it's not deep, but it's done impeccably, and that's why it's awesome
SeeLook at this fucking stupid shit. That's Doomguy's "fuck this" attitude at work, and it's glorious.

>how far would [guy who unceasingly rampaged in Hell over the death of his pet bunny] make it in X
All
the
way
and
further

Again, it still doesnt matter. You know why? Because if id had actually intended for all the Doomguys to be the same Doomguy from the very beginning, then they wouldve made sure that the goddamn games reflected this. Which of course, they sure as shit dont. That is the issue here, the fact that is no consistency with fanfics about all Doomguys being the same.
I dont know who the Doomslayer is, the game has its own lore that is yet to be expanded upon.
>maybe he has a connection to that Doom character that stayed in hell to fight demons at the end of 1/2/64. Do ya think?
>but it's a safe fucking bet isn't it?
I already said that spinoff shit doesnt matter, and nope, I dont think that assuming the Doomslayer is the og Doomguy is a safe bet. I think the safer bet is to fucking wait for the lore to develop, and not try to pass your epic GAME THEORY fanfic as a fact.

Now

I wish they wouldn't have given based D64M Guy such a faggy name

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makes a lot of sense fartknocker

>second vid
Is that the cyberdemon
Goddamn, that looks so much better than the fucking moose
Seriously, what were they thinking with this piece of shit?

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>forbidden or private
why are youtube links showing this now

They actually outsourced that design, iirc.

Why is this even a debate?
You realize his new armor has bare fucking white arms, right?

Doom 2016 was faced with development hell out the ass and random assorted ideas that had no firm vision whatsoever, hence the Call of DOOM build. We're lucky we got what we did thanks to a Bethesda exec visiting id and saying what they had wasn't DOOM at all.

>Because if id had actually intended for all the Doomguys to be the same Doomguy from the very beginning, then they wouldve made sure that the goddamn games reflected this. Which of course, they sure as shit dont.
See >That is the issue here, the fact that is no consistency with fanfics about all Doomguys being the same.
There's nothing contradicting the idea that Doomguy from 2016 is the same as in the originals. Nobody thinks the Doomguy from 3 is the same as in the originals.

I'm really not seeing the issue here. id have said they're the same guy in Quake Champions. Until they say otherwise, there's no reason to think that's not the case.

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You probably have a hard time reading books that don't spell out everything for you with crystal clear detail.

>The reason people claim they arent the same is because of those guardians seen in Hell, it's clear Doomguy is part of them.
I think it's implied that Doomguy meets them during his self imposed exile to Hell, and decides to stick with them because they are also a bunch of bros fighting demons

anyone got the source on this i didn't see it during the conference?

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he'd probably see chief as some weird alternate universe version of himself that wasn't around in time to butcher daemons but was around to butcher aliens

see

This. His armor differs from theirs but it has the same sigil on it. That, and he even usurps leadership
>"...he wore the crown of the night sentinels [...]"

Isn't there more reason to think they're the same person because of the connections? It reminds me of how people assumed the Hero's Shade in Twilight Princess was OoT's Hero of Time because of all the allusions and references, even though it didn't say it outright. And then of course the artbook comes out and says yeah they're the same guy. Because those people knew how to read and interpret media. It isn't some wild fan theory, it's critically looking at the text, asking themselves "what ideas or concepts is the developer trying to communicate here?" The Doom Slayer, at the very least, evokes the IDEA of the Doom Guy from the original series - some badass hero who eternally fights demons in hell - even if he's not literally the same character. It just so happens there's nothing in the lore to really contradict the literal version of that reading as well.

nice, looks much better than d44m
but I can't get over this shitty hud

Thanks fagmuncher

I'm not liking that we will be getting 3rd person cutscenes.

I felt the same way at first, but then I realized that I'd rather have skippable, third person cutscenes than more Half-Life 2-esque cutscenes like in 2016.

I suppose it works better for multiple play throughs.

Again, coming at me with the same refuted shit. Ugh.
>Until they say otherwise, there's no reason to think that's not the case.
Fucking retard. So your snoke theory was also true up until TLJ came out? Just the absolute state of Doomguyheadcanonfags. How about this for a reason to not just automatically believe your theory is correct: IT HASNT BEEN CONFIRMED IN THE GODDAMN GAMES AT ANY POINT. EVER.
I dont read books.
>The Doom Slayer, at the very least, evokes the IDEA of the Doom Guy from the original series
Dont come here and try to strawman me with that shit. At no point have I tried to claim that the Doomslayer isnt a Doomguy. All Doomguys are just the Doomguys of their respective games, and most of them for all intents and purposes, are different characters.

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Those are Prowlers.
But they appear to be functionally similar.

Looks like there's less emphasis on arena fights, hype

>So your snoke theory was also true up until TLJ came out?
I don't know what that is.
>How about this for a reason to not just automatically believe your theory is correct
It's not a theory if id Software clarified it themselves. Again, if they wanted it to be kept ambiguous or just not true, then they wouldn't have bothered with the blurb in in the first place.

Sorry you're getting so upset over nothing.

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its just nice to have them pandering to the older game fans with the new designs and throwback demon choices.

some error in the data center

I just don't want doomguy to be Jewish, honestly :(

who cares?
i play doom for great gameplay i want to shoot fucking devils i dont give a fuck who the main character is

So wait, if Doomguy is Doomslayer, does that mean that Earth from the original games and Earth from the new games are two completely different planets invaded by hell aeons apart?

I wouldn't assume 2016 shares a canon with any of the earlier games

They are earths in different dimensions AFAIK.

>shadman

Bro Vega better be integrated into the suit.

>selectively reading this hard
Just stop. I dont want anymore of your disgusting and embarrassing (you)s.
Obviously not. The best explanation that youre currently going to be afforded by samedoomguyfags, is....dimensions.

Possibly. Hell is a parasite dimension whose main goal is to absorb other dimensions into itself. If Doomslayer is Doomguy, then Doomguy simply traveled from his original dimension into Hell, and then was bought into another dimension from Hell during the events of 2016.

Would you rather Vega be a suit so he is touching Doomslayer's privates at all times or a gun so Doomslayer can stroke his barrel?

I wonder how's Nightmare difficulty going to be balanced in Eternal, in demos the player was eating attacks non-stop. Even taking garbage skill into account, it seems that the sequel throws more shit flying at you than 2016 and damage levels from the previous game, where even imps could shred you in 2-3 hits, would be pretty brutal.

No shit. Doomguy was originally just a regular army grunt that happened to blow the fuck out of hell with good old fashion /k/ness on his way to not getting killed. That was the whole beauty of the series. Turning him into a messianic Batman figure is the one thing I disliked the most about D4.

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can it be both?

>selectively reading
I'm not selectively reading anything. You're the one who keeps bringing up "theories" for whatever reason when id Software have already made a statement on the matter themselves. There is no "theory".
>Just stop. I dont want anymore of your disgusting and embarrassing (you)s.
Thanks for the concession!

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Hell the fuck yes he is, and that's a fact. Blow it out your ass, nerd.

I mean, he did die at the end of episode 1. But because he died in what was technically Hell, he didn't go anywhere by miraculous chance, and wrecked part of their forces so hard they couldn't contain him and let him back to Earth. Where he foiled the entire rest of their invasion forces personally without dying that time around.

He's arguably long since become a revenant or some other entity rather than being truly human, and that's before becoming an eternal guardian of Hell in D64.

Way fucking farther than anyone in the Haloverse ever would. Doomguy singlehandedly ravaged an entire dimension for like centuries.

>The best explanation that youre currently going to be afforded by samedoomguyfags, is....dimensions.
Seems like a reasonable explanation when the existence of multiple dimensions is canon to 2016 and Eternal's lore.

>Dont come here and try to strawman me with that shit. At no point have I tried to claim that the Doomslayer isnt a Doomguy. All Doomguys are just the Doomguys of their respective games, and most of them for all intents and purposes, are different characters.
No, you misunderstand. I mean that the Doom Slayer is THEMATICALLY Doom Guy from the original games, even if he isn't literally, narratively the same man. That's why the ancient scroll thing in Doom 2016 shows a redone version of the original Doom's box art, why the lore says he's a guy that eternally fights demons. Symbolically, he is you, the same person who played the original Doom, he's the player eternally fighting demons in hell. The developers intentionally connected the two.
>I dont read books.
No kidding

How is Doom 64 a spinoff? It continues the story after Doom 2. It's a sequel.

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Actually what in the fuck is the bullshit you're trying to spout off as if it's fact? Doomslayer is LITERALLY, not fucking symbolically, Doomguy. Fuck all the way off you massive pedantic bitch.

>You're the one who keeps bringing up "theories"
Because thats all you have.
>when id Software have already made a statement on the matter themselves
But ok, show me that statement. If you got something real, then I'll say you were right all along. This better not be more Quake Champions shit, or that ''yes but no'' joke answer they once gavce, though.

Is nu-doom any good? Never played it. Seems kinda repetitive.

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obviously. one of his pain sounds makes him sound like that retarded minecraft guy

Hoo boy cool down man. I'm saying that there's absolutely no question whatsoever that they're symbolically the same person, and that there's also no reason to think they aren't literally and narratively the same person too. This is what I originally wrote:
>Isn't there more reason to think they're the same person because of the connections? It reminds me of how people assumed the Hero's Shade in Twilight Princess was OoT's Hero of Time because of all the allusions and references, even though it didn't say it outright. And then of course the artbook comes out and says yeah they're the same guy. Because those people knew how to read and interpret media. It isn't some wild fan theory, it's critically looking at the text, asking themselves "what ideas or concepts is the developer trying to communicate here?" The Doom Slayer, at the very least, evokes the IDEA of the Doom Guy from the original series - some badass hero who eternally fights demons in hell - even if he's not literally the same character. It just so happens there's nothing in the lore to really contradict the literal version of that reading as well.

It's really fun. To me it was like extremely violent Metroid Prime. Way too short though, only like 10 hours.

Yes it's good fun

Only bitter cunts who worship retro and spit at anything that attempts to recreate it dislike 2016

Ah shit I legit thought you were the pedantic fuck you were replying to. My bad, brother.

Doomguy and VEGA are the best buddy cops

>But ok, show me that statement. If you got something real, then I'll say you were right all along. This better not be more Quake Champions shit
Why not? What makes the QC character bio "not real" in your eyes? id Soft wrote it themselves, and claim that all bios are considered canon, ergo it's canon.

You haven't provided a real argument against this at all, you've just done a bunch autistic "rule-setting" for what you think should and shouldn't count.

>I mean that the Doom Slayer is THEMATICALLY Doom Guy from the original games
Yes, I already said all Doomguys are Doomguys, and that includes the Doomslayer. I might not have a big brain such as yours chief, but I understand these concepts that youre throwing around here. All im saying is that strictly from a continuity point of view, not all Doomguys are THE Doomguy. I hope im making sense here. And yes, I still dont read books.

hijacking this thread... quake bros, does this remind you of Ruins of Sarnath? the carving to the left looks like it could be an interpretation of Cthalha.

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It's only repetitive the same way classic is repetitive. Doesn't bother me cuz the gameplay loop is fun.

yeah, but under the helmet he is black.
does this not make sense?

>Doom guy is a fucking Crusader
He's a zealot, he's jewish

Love that classic Cyberdemon is back.

>IT HASNT BEEN CONFIRMED IN THE GODDAMN GAMES AT ANY POINT. EVER.
That's what's good about it.
id made D44M to be it's own story for the new players who didn't play Doom 20 years ago while putting subtle hints and nods for veterans to catch.
The Doom Slayer is a human who battled hell and was forced to sleep by the demons after nearly wiping them out. To new players, that's just Doom Slayer. To veterans, that fits perfectly with the ending of Doom 64, hinting that you're playing as Doomguy.
Since Doomguy doesn't talk, the only way to outright state that Doom Slayer is Doomguy is by another character saying it, and that limits what you can do storywise and also somewhat alienates new players who didn't play Doom 1 or 2 since they have no fucking clue what they're talking about.

Calling it, they're trying to make a Doom gameomatic universe and Quake is next.

Kinda bothers me cuz I always interpreted his snoutholes as eyes and his real eyes as cancerous tumors on the sides of his face. It reminds me how I was wrong for 20 years.

It's a great game, though you have to really like it's core combat loop to get through it all they way. Personally, I really enjoyed it's gameplay style but I can see how others would call it repetitive.

Bro I've been saying this for years now Doom and Quake take place in the same universe. Hell is just another dimension. The fact that they call the portal a slipgate just confirms my suspicions.

hail Shub-Nuggurath

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>Doomslayer enters battlemode
>it's motherfucking Ranger and Visor waiting there to fuck his shit up in revenge for destroying the arena eternal

>descendent of Blazkowicz
He's jewish,

Visor I could understand but why would Ranger be mad that the arena eternal is destroyed? He wanted out as quickly as possible. Though it would be quite ironic if he finally found a slipgate out only to end up in Doom's hell.

He would have no where to go and is absolutely going to be delusional at that point.

>The Doom Slayer is not the Doom Guy from Doom 1&2.
Uh, yes he is.

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>the jewish descendant is stuck fighting Hell for eternity

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>the Cyberdemon but with cute little beady eyes where his nostrils should be

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Blazko was polish. His wife's a jew.

Fucking stupid.

Not any more.
He's jewish now and so is Doom Guy/Slayer

The one thing I hated about those "Classic" levels was that they put in the new enemies without thought on how they would interact with the level design. Like for example: It made sense that you could group up classic pinkies since you can perma hurt them and they didn't do much in the first place, not with D44M's pinkies which have resistances from the front and charge to deal massive damage. Doubly so if the level they come from is a cramped hallway level to begin with.

Also the scaling is off. You feel massive in those "classic" levels.

>Blazko was polish
>An American spy of Jewish descent
Wrong.

ALLAHU ACKBAR!

These CUHRAYZEE levels are off the charts
you literally ARE the weapon, I love this so much

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It's fun, but you have to play it on UV or NM. HMP can't throw enough damage at you, especially after you get Armored Offensive and Rich Get Richer.

Guess what some at id or Bethesda also say? They say that Commander Keen is the great-great grandpa or whatever of BJ Blazkowicz, and that he is related to the og Doomguy. Also, lol theres a BFG in Rage, so same universe right? Now, thats fun and all, but does it make sense? No, it goddamn doesnt.
Again, id coming in decades after the fact to attempt to retroactively connect their franchises with the flimsiest of tidbits, while ''fun'', does not stand up to further scrutiny. When you look at all the old games, at least the ones that matter, you wont find any of that Commander Keen nonsense, because the games were never developed with such a mentality in the first place.
So you say ''but muh QC'', well I say shove it. Yet again, that stuff is nothing but cross promotion, and none of it is represented where it truly matter, in the goddamn Doom games themselves.
Ffs man, what the hell did I say, and what did you do?

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I'm sorry for being rude. I use big words but I'm probably full of shit since we're just talking about a Doomguy anyway and I could easily be wrong as they reveal more lore in Doom Eternal. I think there's good reason to think they're the same person for all the reasons I said, but yeah, I could absolutely be wrong, and it might just be that symbolic connection without them literally being the same person. I got carried away.

>tan changes your phenotype to that of another race
dilate, retard

Machine Games seems to be wanting to take a shot at it, so we can only hope. nu-Wolfenstein has some stuff that almost tie into Doom.
Doom guy has been in Quake since 3, so I don't doubt it. Just waiting for them to continue to expand on it.

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Agreed, it was just a nice novelty.

>Bethesda exec
John Carmack

why did they make him so cute?

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>Quake is next
Lovecraftian kino's back on the menu boys

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Fucking based

>after all those years of being the weapon, Doomguy becomes the projectile

but the real question is what does young ranger look like

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I recently played through the entire Doom series (no Final Doom, or the Lost Mission for 3 though). It does a great job of recreating the original Doom feeling in a full 3D space, which Doom 3 utterly failed at.

With modern tech they can really play up the otherwordly feel of it. Twisting hallways, gravity shifts and really gory models. Imagine the Vore or Shambler in HD

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Which Quake though? Creepy eldritch castles or cyborg monstrosities?

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+45 buzzword points

>Now, thats fun and all, but does it make sense? No, it goddamn doesnt.
And? We're not talking about those examples, we're talking about Doomslayer being Doomguy. There's nothing that contradicts this, so there's no reason to think it isn't canon when id Software states it being so in QC.
>So you say ''but muh QC'', well I say shove it.
Of course you would, because you don't have an argument are again setting up "rules" for what counts and what doesn't. If id didn't want that one bit of info to be considered canon they wouldn't have wrote it and placed it in the game. End of story.

Okay but is he the doom marine from 3? Please respond.

I think you know the answer to that.
Both

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You know in the original game Doomguy's face is literally constantly in the center of the screen...

twisty rooms animated textures. Maybe do something creepy with ray-tracing. maybe the can take some ques from Prey 2006

>The only lore that matters is from the games I deem worthy

If id says it's canon, it's canon. Doesn't matter.

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based and dare I say, redpilled?

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Doomguy lore is shotty at best because of inconsistent releases and retcons

This vid does a good job of summarizing his appearances across the games: youtube.com/watch?v=cut6ku0Njx4

TL;DW Doomguy is the same across all games, but is an unintentional inter-dimensional timeline hopper. The most direct connection is the end of Doom 64 is the closest connection to the Slayer - as Doomguy stays in hell to kill demons until the end of time until he's eventually locked away prior to NuDoom

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Ben Shapiro?

ok then, with no buzzwords
>>tan changes your phenotype to that of another race
fuck off retard

>doomdad
>dadguy
>weedslayer

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Needs the head tilted down and some eye shadow

If this isn't leading up to an official Doom/Quake crossover game where Ranger and Doomguy must battle demons and Outer gods, there will be riots.

Heck, there was a temple map called Blood Keep in Doom 64, and then a temple literally called the Blood Keep gets dropped on Slayer's head to seal him.
youtube.com/watch?v=weLqoG8SgkE
Doom 2016 references 64 level design at least once or twice in Hell if I remember right, and now Eternal is directly taking inspiration from 64's monster designs alongside the PC classic.

The former all day every day
Unless the latter gibs HD maiden tits

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>not blue eyes
cmon son

I love the flying imps, that's the one archetype I thought classic doom was missing

>what does young ranger look like
Jewish

They're both jewish
>Eastern european jew
>blue eyes

>I think there's good reason to think they're the same person for all the reasons I said
And me on the other side, I see the plausibility of it. While im not exactly expecting Shakespearian levels of storytelling out of Doom here, I'd still think that a ''dimensions'' explanation would be rather weak. Plausible, but weak.
>I could easily be wrong as they reveal more lore in Doom Eternal
And this is something I've been trying to tell a certain selective reading mongoloid out there. One would do best to wait before declaring whats fact about the Doomslayer.

>watch the new trailer
>movement speed still half of that in classic Doom
>a dash with fucking cooldown
>you can count the number of enemies in an arena in almost one hand
>UI is cluttered and busy as fuck (is this an MMO or an FPS game?)
>Glory Kills still exist
>Glory Kills still mandatory for ammo/health
>Glory Kills still take way too long (see, for example, that Mancubus kill)
>gore and blood splatters are shit compared to Brutal Doom despite being made by a AAA studio
>new weapons look ugly as fuck (especially the super shotgun, which is overdesigned in this game)
>Cyberdemon is too short and too skinny

This game keeps on disappointing. But people will obviously buy it because "LE DOOMGAY IS ERIC AND BADASSH!" as well as "DARK SOULS PVP I CLAPPED!"

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>Guess what some at id or Bethesda also say? They say that Commander Keen is the great-great grandpa or whatever of BJ Blazkowicz
That was Tom Hall, who created Keen and worked on Wolfenstein. Keen is BJ's grandson, and is named after him; Keen's actual name is Billy Blaze, a shortening of William Blazcowicz.

>brutal doom

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>The age of his reckoning was uncounted. The scribes carved his name deep in the tablets of hell across eons, and each battle etched terror in the hearts of the demons. They knew he would come - as he always had, as he always will - to feast on the blood of the wicked.

This is probably the best way to think of Doomguy/slayer. He's basically Link if the hero of time was still the same person every generation

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source for jewery

Ancestor (Wolfenstein) is jewish

doom eternal is already doing the castle thing because they werent imaginative enough to make a whole game (read: quake) in that style and consumers are retards who couldn't tell the difference anyway

>hating on Glory Kills
>Cyberdemon too short and skinny
>supershotty overdesigned

We're LMAO'ing @ ur life, kid

all this shit makes me mad too

When is halo reach release date on steam?

>After Eternal comes the Quake reboot
>After that comes the crossover
>Choose between Doomguy and Ranger (both have unique weapon loadouts)
>Co-op multiplayer
I would actually cream

yes and jb also has blue eyes

You would be surprised how many western european jews have blue eyes

>Glory Kills still mandatory for ammo/health
They're not mandatory, though. Now you only do glory kills if you want extra health. They've also already shown individual health packs scattered around levels, so really you would only do glory kills regularly if you're a shitter.

I don't think glory kills cause enemies to stagger any more either, so now they're pretty much completely ignorable.

I literally cannot give any less of a shit about Doomguy when there's an entire cast of Q3A and QC characters.

>Blue eyes
And this precludes him from being a Jew how? Tons of Jews have blue eyes and blond hair. It's why Nazis had to be thorough searching for Jews.

Also if you are at low health it drops from normal kills aswell.

>I don't think glory kills cause enemies to stagger any more either
whoever is still bitching after that tidbit is doing it to troll

>western
He's eastern
False

Hm. Hopefully that doesn't happen on higher difficulties.

false how

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>And?
And my point wasnt just those specific examples, my point was that id spouts nothing but bullshit when it comes to ''connecting'' their franchises/games.
>you don't have an argument are again setting up "rules"
Setting up rules? Is it really unreasonable for me to expect that something that will impact the canon of a series should take place within the goddamn series itself?
For the fucking millionth time, Doomguy in QC is just crosspromotion. Appearances of the various Doomguys there are just fucking skins. The two games are not actually connected. Get it through your head. If id wanted the Doomslayer to be the Doomguy, then they wouldve/should show it in the relevant game.
But youre right, end of story.

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Only due to low color options at the time.

When doomguy dies in the classic level Easter egg, it shows his original face. It’s the same guy. Also confirmed in quake champions.

Who cares?

>black, grey and multiple shades of brown are all present in the picture
>they made his eyes blue because other colours didn't exist! they aren't REALLY blue!
Dude...

Look at his face in Eternal! Doom Slayer is Doom Guy.

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>Is it really unreasonable for me to expect that something that will impact the canon of a series should take place within the goddamn series itself?
No, but there's nothing saying that the info provided in QC should be completely thrown aside either.
>For the fucking millionth time, Doomguy in QC is just crosspromotion.
Even so, all of the character bios in QC are still considered canon. I haven't said anything about the gameplay or events of QC being canon, just the bios. If id considers it canon, it's canon.
>Appearances of the various Doomguys there are just fucking skins.
Nobody was talking about the skins.
>If id wanted the Doomslayer to be the Doomguy, then they wouldve/should show it in the relevant game.
They did. That's why he's found in Hell in 2016 after staying there in 64's ending.

He's canonically eastern european jewish user.

What does that have to do with my post? I'm simply pointing out that his eyes ARE blue, because someone here is retarded enough to argue with that.

>What does that have to do with my post
You claim he has blue eyes, he canonically does not.

He is not dark skinned at all my negro? Are you fucking blind?

>he canonically does not
He literally does in the picture posted earlier. Cite the source that states otherwise. Unless you are so retarded you unironically think jews can't have blue eyes, in which case there's no point talking to you.

>Cite the source that states otherwise
Wolfenstein: The New Order, Wolfenstein: The Old Blood, Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus,Wolfenstein: Youngblood

>Archviles are back

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This face does not look like the face from Doom 1/2. This is from the 2016 model viewer

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It's fine though. They're not gonna have the same flame pillar bullshit that fucks you over in 5 seconds flat because the .wad-maker made 3 spawn out in the middle of fucking nowhere with next to no viable LOS options.

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All those take place in a different timeline from the original, so that's not the same BJ. Doomguy has been stated to be descendant from the BJ of the original timeline.

>All those take place in a different timeline from the original
False.

No, but it does in Doom Eternal, see here:

His name is Hank Schrader

>all of the character bios in QC are still considered canon
Canon to what? And what does the Doomslayer bio say? Because I found that says nothing about him being the og Doomguy. Also, this whole if id considers the bios to be canon thing, can you produce proof of this? I shall like to read that material.
>They did. That's why he's found in Hell in 2016 after staying there in 64's ending.
Do you really not understand that this is just what you believe? That its just your headcanon and nothing more?

The Wolfenstein Timeline is a huge mess and could have its own thread.

bj has blue eyes in TNO

incorrect

That's awesome, they should have a mode where his face is on the bottom of your screen and he reacts to stuff

>lore doesn't matter, nuDOOM is fucking gay for adding that trash into DOOM
>doomguy and Doom Slayer are different people
PIck one and only one.

Nice blue eyes.

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It's literally the first thing you see when starting a new game, at the difficulty selection screen.

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Lore is fine. Standing around for 30 seconds while playing to have unskippable story force-fed to you in a game like Doom isn't.

>gray eyes
Thanks for proving my point

user, i know this is hard to take, but I think you may be colorblind.

You're colorblind, user. That is, assuming you aren't just trolling of course.

Grey eyes appear in the middle east and he's jewish.

Are you legitimately color blind? Also, Deathshead literally says that B.J.’s eyes are blue.

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user, use a color picker tool on the image and visit your ophthalmologist.

this is fucking stupid but its so good what the fuck

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Deathshead is canonically colourblind.

Okay

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Act fast nigga

>use a color picker
>6f939f
>43.5% red, 62.4% green and 62.4% blue
>"it's blue"
???

>long ass cutscene
>3rd person cutscene, no less
Nice movie, zoomers.

I'm not buying this game because they are showing his face. I don't want to see that shit I want fucking pre Halo 4 Master Chief a faceless protag who just kills shit and shuts the fuck up. I know what Chief looks like from the books but there hasn't been an in game image of him

Correct, the new games are a reboot. Anyone who says otherwise is a brainlet

Marauder is playable

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Hey, I can't always just turn °360, walk back the way I came, and fight them from the safety of the nearest doorway.
>tfw things are too spread for the BFG's invisible shotgun-blast thing to kill it all

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ludomatic*

it's the face you always see in Doom 1 and 2's UI, stop being an obnoxious retard.

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Why do you guys care about fucking Wolfenstein? It's a shitty game and even though the devs said it's connected to Doom, it doesn't have any real relevance.
It's like caring about the nu-wars cannon or like the walking dead after season 1 or Dead Rising 4.
It's something so clearly shitty in comparison to the other product that they look like two different universes. No matter what mental gymnastics the devs try, they will never convince ANYONE they are connected unless it's fucking Kingdom Hearts.

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See :
You've seen his face since the first game. This isn't a surprise. This is like being pissed that you've seen Mario's face.

I didn't see any in normal gameplay and I think the archvile is gonna be a boss
Please correct if wrong

It's a tinted visor you absolute retard.

>dat classic shotgun
I have a personal policy against preordering but my soul is weeping at the prospect that I won't get to use that

No idea. I didn't notice the one being referenced by the user I was replying to. As much as I hate them though, I don't mind encountering Archviles. It can be good for games to have enemies that the players absolutely despise. I hate the Pain Elemental even more than the Archvile, but I'm glad they're coming back too. Killing Floor just wouldn't be the same game if it weren't for the crawlers. E-Dars are another matter. Fuck those god damn robots. If they disappeared overnight, I wouldn't shed a tear.

>locking levels behind a preorder bonus
classic B*thesda

>Pain Elemental is playable
NO
NOOOOOOO

skip it
this is an improvement from the half-life cutscenes from the first one

Really hoping there's an option to switch out that terrible new UI honestly

>Doot revenant skin

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>ghost pain elemental
>not phantom pain elemental

They didn't even try

that shit better at least be for sale later

>Really hoping there's an option to switch out that terrible new UI honestly
Fan-created mod you buy from Bethesda's shop.

>heard you talking shit like i wouldn't notice

>the only designs that stayed intact from 2016 are cacos and pinkies
Those are the best ones from that game but I wish they got a makeover too

>brutalfags SEETHING

The cacodemons' colors are a lot more bright red this time though, which is good.

Not really digging the new HUD changes so much. Overdoing it a bit with all the colors and arcade-y factor.

It looks like a fucking MOBA. Compare that to the sheer simplicity and clearness of Brutal Doom's HUD.

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New HUD is total shit. 2016's HUD was fine.

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Although Doom had a lot of good moments, just seeing the icon of sin again made me fucking explode with a giant boner. I don't know how they can top that, even though it's just a skull that does nothing.

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>wanting NuDoom to be like classic Doom
They could never improve on the perfect formula of Doom 1 and 2, so there's no reason to even try, I much prefer them taking Doom in a different direction

I really hope there's an option to make the guns take up less screen space.

I don't know why modern FPS games have to default to having guns cover like 40% of your screen.

I hate videogames.

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>third person
Fucking ruined.

Is this achievable natty?

The best HUD is no HUD at all.

Is it possible to remove the mini flamethrower?
Looks stupid.

Knowing how much health and ammo you have left in a Doom game is pretty fucking vital.

I want to give him a hug

He looks so overdesigned, just like everything else in NuDoom 2.

This is hilarious. Although he gets splatted on impact. Also:

> enters building complex from the side
> crashes through the ceiling

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I like FPS with no hud or crosshairs. The experience is cleaner.

The blue blood makes so much difference
You could've used Zandronum's HUD but instead chose to be a baiting fag

Destroying an Imp's forehead with my erect cock is fine and dandy, but god forbid there be a number on my screen. That would just ruin my immersion.

What they don't show is that he wasn't satisfied the first time and trekked all the way back to do it again

>IM SAMUS NOW AAAAAAAAAAA MADE IT

9/11 edit when?

Aren't they overdoing it a bit with all the arcade-y elements? I get that it's Doom, but it's still nice if there's some kind of internal logic going on. iirc even the originals didn't have anything quite as blatant as the "extra lives", floating weapons and question marks that are going around in Eternal.

Extra lives are functionally just reserve soul spheres. I agree the question marks are weird but it really isn't any more fantastical than old Doom.

Kinda reminds me of the Tower of Babel.

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you're a fucking brainlet and it shows

Hugo's getting chunkier.

I think that's what it is.

They've taken the "Doom is all about the gameplay" shit too far and turned into some ironic arcade game. Doom is at its best when it plays like a FPS shmup. Also this "expanded universe" looks cringey as fuck.

user, all they did was add a few new power-ups. Literally nothing else has changed in regards to making it "more arcade-y". And the expanded universe shit is just buzzspeak for "this isn't a carbon copy of Doom 2's plot"

Reminds me of this

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fuck off wojak poster

I wish they'd just call them soul spheres. It sounds cool.

i still wonder what they do, since corpses disappear instantly in nu doom...