Why is everyone such a massive dick to him? He's won just about every single case he's been in...

>Even then, he has been very fortunate to take on only those who are indeed not guilty (that I'm aware of).

Matt Engarde was guilty, but he was convicted.

If I recall right, Phoenix actually did get someone who was truly guilty (Ron DeLite) off the hook.

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People say it's a Japanese thing, but in basically every criminal justice system, the general public hates defense attorneys because they think their job is to lie to get criminals off on "technicalities".

"Technicalities" of course, being the rule of law, but whatever.

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>"Why is everyone such a massive dick to him? He's won just about every single case he's been in."
>forged evidence
>led to the dark age of the law

this always bothered me
everyone pushing, punching, kicking, throwing stuff at him, etc; the judge even had a bias against his cases almost each time
seriously
phoenix revenge when

I genuinely want to know: out of all the people who he has defended, just how many of them were willing and capable of actually paying him for his services, and who?

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No, Luke Atmey robbed the Lordly Tailor. Ron Delite was correctly ruled Not Guilty on that case. The ending really doesn't make sense, because being Mask Demasque isn't a crime in itself, it's the crimes he committed that he could be charged with, so not sure what he was talking about with Double Jeopardy

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Which is odd because Phoenix specifically states in SoJ that it's "Innocent until proven guilty" back where he lives.

Well fuck. Next time I won't say anything, I have only played through the first game so far and was under the impression they would save something so interesting as that sort of case for much, much later in the series. I'm guessing if it's anything like the first game though, they make it incredibly apparent from the outset that he is indeed guilty and that this is not a true spoiler.

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In the english version, I guess

No, it's a huge surprise that Matt Engarde is guilty and it comes late in the game. You fucked yourself, homie. Keep playing though without reading these threads though, AA3 is amazing

the english version is a rewrite, not an actual translation

because he uses magic and forged evidence to win

I'm willing to bet that was a localization thing due to the games' setting shifting from Japan to California.

>they make it incredibly apparent from the outset that he is indeed guilty and that this is not a true spoiler
Nope.
They did do something like that in Dai Gyakuten Saiban though

>forged evidence

I was going to say he was unwitting, but then I remembered this. Phoenix Wright should have stayed disbarred.

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It's a spoiler. I wouldn't consider it a massive spoiler, because the game strongly hints at it long before the actual reveal. And the part that makes that case amazing is pretty much all after that reveal.

I would STRONGLY suggest at least playing through the trilogy before posting in these threads, because there are so many massive spoilers casually tossed around.

>never gets payed
>judge is biased against him
>lost his badge for the same reason that Edgeworth was simply given a slap on the wrist for
>every. single. prosecutor. he goes up against is a smug bellend barring maybe Layton, most of them are prodigies
>gets physically attacked, gets whipped unconscious TWICE without repercussions
At least by the second trilogy he has a legendary reputation.

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they hate him 'cause they ain't him.

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Because Japan doesn't 'do' character development and prefers to have them hit all the same notes so they can write the same jokes every single case.

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Ha ha ha hoo he he ha ha

Everybodylookthetragicclown
Unabletofindarivalofmygenius
Iwasforcedtocreateonemyself

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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reminder that Japan has a 99% conviction rate
which is impossible unless you force confessions (which they do, holding suspects in cells, forced to stay unless they sign a written confession)
being a defence attorney is beyond hell, winning is a forgone conclusion

>lost his badge for the same reason that Edgeworth was simply given a slap on the wrist for
To be fair, Edgeworth never knew it was forged to begin with and the Chief Prosecutor was the one to say it was forged.

When the fuck did Phoenix actually learn how to properly forge evidence anyway?

We know Larry and Maya are always broke, so not them, and cases where Phoenix defends himself obviously don't have any income. Other than that, we can assume he makes enough money from cases to feed himself and keep the lights on at the office. Phoenix probably takes a lot of simple cases not involving murder where he makes most of his money, they just aren't interesting enough to be shown in a game.

Who was in the wrong here? Mia or Phoenix?

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7 years and having contact with a master forger.

Internet, and dealing in the gambling underworld.

because it's funny

He gets massive aid from a ghost lawyer, and literally half the time the prosecution is on his side anyways. The only real dicks to him are the Von Karmas, Payne, Godot, and the Judge.

I thought it took place in LA?

Yeah but wasn't his firing like, not his fault? Didn't he present faulty evidence without knowledge that it was faulty?
Like I feel like people were just looking for a reason to disbar him because he was so successful. Hell, if a lawyer made that mistake in real life they'd be made fun of, but their track record would probably make people reexamine the process to see how faulty evidence was there in the first place

Considering that the only other person who could have explained it ran away, everyone just assumed that he knew it was forged.

The mentor lawyer in Apollo Justice should have never been made into Phoenix in the first place.

Let's see:

Larry: No
Maya: No
Will Powers: Yes
Miles Edgeworth: Yes
Lana Skye: Yes

Maggey Byrde: Probably
Max Galactica: Yes
Matt Engarde: Yes

Ron DeLite: ???
Iris: No

Juniper Woods: No
Solomon Starbuck: Yes
Athena Cykes: No
Orla: lol, no
Sasha Buckler: No

Ahlbi Ur'gaid: No
Ellen Wyatt: Yes