Why did Digimon fail?

>Fail

That would be wrong. Failure would imply dying right as it started, which it clearly didn't. Struggle, though? Hell yes it did struggle. It's still struggling now, but it's been through worse.

Pokemon's cult-like mentality doesn't help, but the real reason Digimon has so much trouble is that it's hard to market more "cool" and genuinely interesting monsters these days as opposed to the borderline CalArts garbage that's both cutesy and designed to sell at the expense of any and all personality. The fact most of the Digimon games are very different is a double edged sword, meaning that while the series has a lot of places to branch into, none of them are fully explored and/or refined.

Overall, this leaves Digimon in a state that while with less appeal than Pokemon, it's a lot more interesting to actually think about.

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all the monsters start out interesting, then turn into boring ass humans

>cool and interesting monsters
>personality
please tell me when digimon starts to have those, I might buy something related to them

It became an incomprehensible clusterfucker where anything can become anything.
Plus the games sucked for a long ass time.

Shit gameplay not as good, consistent, and simple as Pokémon

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It didn't.

Pokemon had a mass appeal that none of the other monster collection franchises managed to get, that's all. The only one that managed to get close was Yokai Watch, but that success was only limited to Japan, and they ran out of juice very quickly.

>lots of recolors to fill evolution lines
>card game was wonky and didn't usually come with a rule book
>the first playstation game was impossible without a guide
>anime suicided by abandoning the premise of partner digimon in favor of trying to be isekai power rangers
>by the time fucking based Tamers happened it was declining in popularity
>merchandising basically stopped and it disappeared from the public consciousness

Games are shit, anime is good.

Because Digimon was based on Tamagotchi's, where the focus was on treating as a virtual pet that you'd develop a relationship with. The problem with this is that it's dumb to expect people to want to only have one. If given the choice to have multiple animals that aren't limited by the need for attention or anything else, why would anyone ever just want one?

Digimon never fails to get my dick hard.

>not enough bara
This honestly

Why are digimon feet so big?
Not that I'm complaining or anything

I see you are a connoisseur of Digimon feet as well

It didn't.
They're still selling toys and making games.

Pokemon succeeded because of collecting. You want to catch all of the pokemon, or collect all of the cards. It was brilliant marketing. Digimon focused on having one digimon and evolving it instead of collecting anything. No gameboy games that focus on this either.

Digimon has better videogames.

>those big meaty talons
Ah great, I've acquired another fetish.

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I hate hyper exaggerated stuff like this. It looks so bad and stupid.

Renamon tends to attract that shit because she's basically furbait incarnate. I've seen furries call Renamon a fucking Pokemon and I want to actually strangle them.

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I already forgot but this is female right?

I just walked in because of the bird dude, who's the horned guy?

That doesn't matter

Non'a dis mattas

Digimon is to afraid to commit to being itself, so it either fails or just barely gets by.
Digimon had a very unique, striking, and good art style, with equally interesting and good monster designs, and there's nothing around now that emulates that. Digimon traded it out for a style that's everywhere, a plain and generic style that oversaturates the market. It keeps the series from standing out or appearing like it's anything interesting. And this change of style permeates every other decision the series had made.
When it tries to be Pokemon, it sucks. Digimon can't be Pokemon since Pokemon is already Pokemon.
When it tries to be SMT, it sucks. Digimon can't be SMT since SMT is already SMT.
And you bet your ass it'll suck when it tries to be something else that already exists and has an audience, because the audience for that thing already has that other thing, the original. Digimon shouldn't try to be an imitator. This seems so obvious, yet they keep fucking it up.
It just doesn't know how to own being Digimon. The series no longer understands the design process and style the series became a success with, and it doesn't understand the potential a Digimon renaissance could have. It just goes for the easiest game it can make, the most generic game it can make. It relies on terribly executed nostalgia bait and generic slutty anime girls to reach the lowest common denominators. I don't even need to buy the games for that, you idiots. I can jerk off to anime sluts with my internet browser if I want to. I can relive nostalgia by just sitting there and thinking if I want to. You know what I would buy, what would draw me in? A fucking good game that nails being Digimon. Something that pushes every OG Digimon design convention as far as it can, and brings the series forward while sticking to its non-anime roots. A real goddamn Digimon game that surpasses the first World.

>So casual that they can't even recognize one of the Chosen Children's Digimon.
Garudamon was my favorite next to MetalGreymon, so it sucks that she doesn't get much attention.

Really, it suck that ONLY Greymon and Garurumon get attention. Yeah, I like those lines, but they were sitting on tons of cool designs aside from them, like HercelesKabuterimon and Vikemon.

THE EVOLUTIONS MAKE NO FUCKING SENSE
WHY DOES A DINOSAUR WITH A CAR FOR A CHEST TURN INTO A KNIGHT
WHY DOES A CAT TURN INTO A SLUTTY HUMAN ANGEL
AAAAAAAA

Yeah, garuda's nice and all, but who's the guy with the horns and face markings a few posts above?

It's best you don't know. You're not going to find any art of him since he's from Frontier.

that's why tentomon was best line, it was a simple "bug evolves into bigger bug"

>fail
Cyber sluts was great and sold nicely, and the new game looks pretty sweet as well.

souless franchise since 1997

Flamon, only appears in Frontier, the most divisive season of the anime

I wouldn't say that the anime sluts are inherently part of the problem, as there's always been a handful of them since the beginning. The abundance is a symptom of something else, as is the excessive amount of robot-knight motherfuckers. Some of these would be fine, but now there's too many of them and they're all starting to blur together alongside a stylistic shift that got rid of the gnarly, unironic edge and weirdness of previous designs. Earlier humanoids had more clearly monstrous features, and earlier robots/knights were more chunky and less like gundams.

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The change in art style can be easily observed through Angewomon's design. Angewomon, the most good, pure, and human-like Digimon of the time, still featured a lot of design elements that made her consistent with the other monsters like Tyrannomon, Devimon, and Mamemon. I added an outline to the model to make it more visible.
>thick, jagged zippers that look like part of her flesh become straight and thin textures on her outfit
>her bow just clips through her wrist instead of being a clear part of her anatomy
>monstrous wings on her back, gloves, and helmet are toned way down, don't have nearly as much volume
>proportions are changed to look more like an anime human; smaller hands, smaller feet, smaller head, and overall became more voluptuous in shape (looking voluptuous was LadyDevimon's thing already)
>knobby and angular bone structure was smoothed out, as was her angular helmet
>warped, tightly-wound ribbon becomes smooth, loose, and delicate, even when properly positioned in-game
>ruffles on her boot are toned way down
>the space-like void in her other boot is replaced with solid grey and the teeth are far less gnarly if it's not just zipped up entirely
Compare any classic Digimon illustration with a recent character model and you'll find the same shift in design and style. The series is just bland and generic to look at now.

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The Kabuterimon line is one of my favorites, but at least in Adventure all of them kinda made sense besides Gatomon coming from a dog and then into an angel and then into a dragon.

youtube.com/watch?v=LJfPeYpRPwk

What did he mean by this ?

He should have gotten stuffed crust, silly Digimon!

Xros Wars / Fusion happened, making the franchise an absolute trash at the point of forcing them to bring back the nostalgia (aka Digimon Adventure Tri)

Inconsistent games
>change style/genre of game all the time
>localize some, ignore others
and anime wasn't as good as Pokemon

Imagine being stepped on by those big feets haha

In what metric do you say Digimon failed?

Why did Monster Rancher fail?

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To put it short: Digimon are no longer grungy, rough, and similar to gritty American comics.

While that Angewoman breakdown is good, another thing worth mentioning is that we no longer get Digimon that's an animal but with huge, muscly arms with blunging veins, ala Mamemon and . Shoutmon literally looks like a Toy, and other newer Digimon are much cleaner and smoother.

If this is the quality of merch from a failed franchise then other franchises should fail more.

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I think I unironically love this guy's design. Can you get him in any of the games?

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There are still examples of grungy, nasty Digimon by the Xros Wars/Fusion era, but they're in the minority, like Baalmon here, but they're in the minority by that point and even then a good chunk of that "gritty american comic" vibe has been toned down.

Xros is the most blatant example of this design aesthetic kicking the bucket, but if we were to go back to Savers/Data Squad, I'd say the real big shift began there, with the new Agumon evolutions being obviously more sleek and shiny than the ones we saw previously as a particularly obvious example.

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Digimon is a fucking mess.

Every single installation of Digimon was basically its own individual thing, with no consistency between any of them. So people watching the cartoon and playing a video game - or, hell, people watching the cartoon and then watching a new season - were introduced to something completely different from what they're familiar with. Hell, even people who started with the original Tamagotchi-toys found that that aspect ended to dropped, in exchange for games about digital computer worlds and TV shows about transforming human children.

There are some franchises which worked with that sort of thing, but they managed to maintain some sort of consistency between their appearances to tie it all together. You'd hardly call Mega Man X, Battle Network, and the Ruby Spears cartoon all similar, but they all involve a blue robot boy running around shooting stuff with an arm-blaster in a Saturday Morning cheesy plotline, so fans can end up enjoying all three despite that.

I blame it 100% on agumon
He is a shit Design compared to Pikachu and yet its the Digimon they tried using to Market the Anime and the Games
If the Main Digimon was more cute and more appealing to children, we would live in a different World

Oh also, the Anime was too mature and thus Limited the target audience
(However in retrospect the Anime holds Up much better and is more watchable as a manchild)

Fun gimmick idea, but it's easy to see why not everyone would get into a monster raising/collection game that requires other physical media to work, not to mention it's hell for completitionists.
Also, the main mascot isn't exactly marketeable.

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I'll try my damn best

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No you retard

Pokemon appeals more to normal people because of the wider variety.

Or you know, Pokemon is just a more popular franchise

It's the most popular franchise in the world, the same thing happens with any popular franchise

They should've kept him in the spotlight but had him share it with another that got the same idea across with a cuter looking design/personality.

Focusing on Agumon isn't bad, but focusing on only Agumon was a poor decision.

Others that could have worked - Veemon, Gatomon, Dorumon, but Guilmon is probably the best call due to the anime.

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good post

You'll have a better chance if you search for his boyfriend instead. He might show up in some of them.

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Bad games
Too many recolors
Too many overdesigned, nonsensical mons

Agumon's the marketing baby because Omagamon and Wargreymon are the most popular Digimon. So it's less about Agumon itself, and more what line Agumon belongs to, and the promise of what he'll change in to.

You can't use Omegamon for everything, and even Wargreymon has to be limited to an extent. Honestly, I think Tyrannomon would be a nice marketing guy to emphasize adventure and companionship, but I'm not a marketer.

That's just twink Garurumon

Best nu-Digimon.

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I'm actually pretty good at finding stuff

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No it didn't.

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I keep finding that whenever people complain about "over design" or "poor design", they more often than not mean "It's not like Pokemon".

because pokemon existed. the only person that preferred digimon was that weird kid that nobody liked or talked to.

Because of the awful english dub.
That's basicallly 80% of it.

Digimon is supposed to have a different aesthetic to Pokemon, and I think some people miss that fact since day one. They're supposed to be monsters, first and foremost, but I'm fairly certain that the whole design debate in the thread has already stated that.

It's not like Pokemon has had a huge stylistic shift as well. Look at the Red/Blue starters and compare them to the Sun/Moon ones.

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this but lilimon

>Bad games
you have never played a Digimon game then.
>Too many recolors
of Agumon maybe, but regular mons don't get recolors
>overdesigned
The only overdesigned digimons are the ones with the X-Antibody, which never appeared in any media except for a 3D Movie that no one watched.

X-Antibody designs also appear in Digimon Masters, but that matters even fucking less

Yeah, because digimon like Impmon, Leviamon, Ogremon or Veedramon are full of atomic bombs and knifes.
And sure, Pokemon takes always real life creatures, like Klefki, Garbodor or Geodude, because as we know, keys, garbage and rocks are beautiful creatures.

>but regular mons don't get recolors
Not nearly as many as Agumon, but yes they do, though most of them come from the early days like Digimon World having an enemy version of all digimons.

Shitty games and designs that are hard to animate make for stilted anime.

Tsukaimon is just as precious of a bean as Patamon and you cannot prove me wrong

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This thing is beautiful and I want to protect it.

Frontier happen
>LET MAKE A DIGIMON, BUT MAKE THEM POWER RANGERS
>NO PARTNERS
>LITERALLY 100 EPISODE OF THE DUO MAIN CHARACTER LOSING
Geez I fucking wonder why?

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>the Pokemon example uses an actual Pokemon (Mudkip)
>the Digimon example doesn't use any actual Digimon
Yeah, whoever made this is totally not biased at all.

I disagree.

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Digimons are super overdesigned, like look at these crystal dragon mons or whatever are called, these designs are so full of crap.
Now, look at Pokemon, with more simple designs like Koromon or Biyomon, that's good shit.

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Because it was incest-bait disguised as a kid's show.

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Not even gonna read, already confirmed fake, a quick search on google confirms it, you are full of shit.

I replayed monster rancher 2 recently.
I think the main issue is too many things feel our of your control. It also lacks a cute mascot for female fans.

To be fair that dog looks cool as hell

>top
Garurumon
>bottom
Zacian

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my first wet dream was from ranamon. i was far too young and i've only had one since

Name 5 different Digimon games that are on par with the best Pokémon games

A series with S+ husbandos would never fail. At least not for long.

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Digimon designs aren't appealing at a wide level so nobody gave a shit. Also the american dub was TRASH.

Nah, Digimon legitimately has a ton of awful designs
Pokémon has bad designs, too, but they're more consistent overall

Jesus Renamon is so fucking sexy. I've been busting a nut to her every since Tamers released in 2001. I've been jerking it to her since I was in middle school and found the Digimon Hentai Zone.

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Would be losing my time, you will call them all garbage and call it a day.

>implying there are at least 5 good Pokémon games.

Stop existing.

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based and /thread
everyone go home

Lack of consistency.

This, digimon's monster design consistency makes even pokemon's look good.

because its called digiMON, and people instantly assumed it was a pokemon rip-off.
had it been called something else like Monster soul it would have done much better

Regale me with your masturbation preferences.

So, if Yu-Gi-Oh was called "Cardmon" or "Duelmon", everyone would had said that is a rip-off and die quickly?

See, you know you can't do it.
Sad.

No, I don't think it would have done better with that name.

I'm rewatching Digimon right now and I'm really appreciating Garudamon a lot more than I did back as a kid. It's probably my favorite Ultimate-level (outside of Lilimon but that's more because of what she did to me as a kid than anything else)

You~

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I... I literally can't...
Holy shit I never realized just how terrible most of them were.

>Busy design
>Pokemon ripoff
>poor games
>devolving back into weaker digimon

renamon's design is so damn good if it were armored or wore wizard space robes or something it would look fantastic in another medium honestly.

everything else looks like pokemon

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>"Duelmon"
I may be wrong, but I think that was actually used in Japan to abreviate Duel Monsters.

Inconsistent quality of the franchise. You have games and series that range between good, mediocre and bad without having anything exceptional. Given that pretty much the only achievement it has is that it made a few better anime series that Pokemon but which are not really that exceptional then you have an issue.

>implying digimon isn't a pokemon ripoff

It's over, user
You've won
Please leave our thread in peace
This is all we have

The original idea isn't, it was just tamagotchi but more appealing to boys.

Digimon World 1, 2 and 3.
Digimon Dawn / Dusk
Digimon World: Next Order
Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth (and Hacker's Memory)
Digimon World Re:Digitize
Digimon Battle Spirit 1.5
Digimon Rumble Arena 2

I disagree. Lots of Digimon look good no matter what style they're in.

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>Digimon legitimately has a ton of awful designs
Which are?
You're being very vague so I can't really get a handle on what you mean by "bad design". For the most part, people in these sorts of thread complain that Digimon's design methods are not the same as Pokemon and don't go further than that. Do you have an issue with monsters not being cute? Are creatures like Numemon being front and center bothering to you? What do you mean user?

I can only name one genuinely awful design and that's this motherfucker right here who redefines "notices ur bulge"

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>It's originally a ripoff of something else

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Digimon and Tamagotchi come from the same company.

Pokémon is a DQ ripoff

Digimon failed in the West because no other Monster catching/raising game can work well in the west outside of Pokemon, ever, at all. Digimon fucked up with Digimon Frontier and never recovered over here.

>implying you have to like either digimon or pokemon
I like both, but Pokemon's been stagnating for a long time and needs to do something different with its games, I got by on the spinoffs but they hardly ever do those anymore.
Hacker's Memory is one of the best RPGs I've played in a long time.

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This is Yea Forums, you have to be a fanboy of one thing and hate everything else that may be similar in some way or another.

Post kino designs

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Why the FUCK does he have a noticeable bulge?

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Alright, you seems to not know much about Digimon, first because Taomon is basically renamon in robes and Sakuyamon is basically her in an armor.
Second because what are you talking about every other diigmon looking like a pokemon? does Beelzemon look like a Pokemon to you? Machinedramon? Ranamon (no, not Rena, Rana)? Meicrackmon? Mephistomon?

I have a Flamedramon figure standing right next to a Lucario

>with the new Agumon evolutions being obviously more sleek and shiny than the ones we saw previously as a particularly obvious example.
They slimmed down my boy...

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always wonder if hacker's memory is any better than cyber sleuth

that game was "okay" but the difficulty curve was absolute dogshit

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Pics of hotglue.

lolno

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pokemon fans
>"ugh like don't sexualize the girls, you pigs!"
>sexualizes all the pokemon and milo

Based taste

Not on par with the best Pokémon games but you said the games were bad, so I'll name some good ones for you:
Cyber Sleuth
Hacker's Memory
Digimon World 1
Digimon World 3
Digimon World DS
Digimon World Dawn/Dusk
Digimon Rumble Arena 2
Diginon World Next Order
Digimon World Re: Digitize (and Decode)
And that's not counting stuff like the Wonderswan games or the Japan only DS games.

It's fine! He's just on a Paleo diet and did a lot of crunches!

Come on, even as a hardcore Digimon fan I can recognize that most of those are mediocre
I love World 3, but it's a 7/10 at best

HM is leagues better than CS and I loved CS too.
Hard mode is balanced correctly now and the writing is honestly pretty great. You can probably find it cheap so just play it, it's worth it.

digimon dont have gender

I also have the Renamon with the canon titties hidden under the chest fluff but I'd never do that to any of my figures, feels weird man.

just look at this gay shit

Good pokémon games?

Pokemon = Marvel
DIgimon = DC

>Digimon World Re: Digitize
>That week after it got translated talking about it with Yea Forums
Fun times

if i ever get a tattoo its gonna be fucking wargreymons crest, motherfucking crest of courage

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It's really fucking muddy over whether they do or don't and seems to vary between continuities. Xros Wars/Fusion seems to say yes, Tamers seems to say no, all the waifumons and big bara Digimon like Leomon imply there's at least some degree of "gender", in the sense that there are exclusively masculine/feminine Digimon.

It's a mess.

Thanks for reminding me that the 3ds version translation never got finished, same for Lost Evolution.

>youtu.be/2y0O7rKf7mA?t=58
Why was Sakuyamon the only one who got a 2D ulti evolution sequence?

To be fair I only sexualize the "adult" pokemon.

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The best Omega

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>Little bug funnels
Pretty cute

Jiggle physics weren't robust yet.

Who is the best Renamon artist and why is it Sindoll?

honestly I think Renamon's line in Tamers was one of those "with a but" type lines, or an attempt to dodge an awkward question

you are not only my friend, but a based man, and a man of culture

Because it would've looked like shit on 3d, she got the better deal.

>the space-like void in her other boot
what the hell, i've never noticed that before. legit looks like there's a starry sky inside her that's being contained by the clasp. that's cool as fuck.

did you not watch tamers, the digimons literally have mental break downs and identity crisis because of their relationships with their tamers

you have the scans of that book?

Holy fuck. Look at this quality

If he's talking about Adventure, a few (not all) of the partner Digimon are pretty bland to be fair

yeah, except for based Gatomon

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Not him but I have some crops

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Sindoll isn't bad but he just doesn't do it for me. I like artists like fdokkaku more. I'm a huge fan of pubic hair so I like the golden bush that Woory tama draws her with as well.

v-mon is the mosr mary sue digimon of all digimon. prove me wrong

On the other hand, Pokemon do have genders, but they're never referred to

Even if a Pokemon is canonically male (like Ash's Pikachu), or talks like a human and has a male voice, it'll still be called an it

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the first third of Tamers is practically The Guilmon Show

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>>cool and interesting monsters
>>personality
They have much more than pokémon

For one thing, Veemon isn't female.

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Try these two

that's like saying legendz , digimon and tamagotchi were ripping each other off

>Digimon and Tamagotchi come from the same company.
Well, okay, it's still a pokemon knockoff

Adventure had too big of a cast, trying to characterize all the kids and all their Digimon in less than a half hour per episode when you're already eating up time with commercials and transformation sequences while trying to write a story is an exercise in futility

Tamers did it way better by trimming it down to only a few characters

Sindoll draws them fluffier

because they weren't progressive enough with their canon couples

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Too much waifu shit

And then Impmon steals the show

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it would be great if digimon handled a season thats post apocalyptic due to stronger digimon invading the earth in a rebellious attempt and children along side their digimon fight for survival

Someone redpill me on why Digimon have such huge feet.

Our War Game is probably the best movie adaption for a kid's toy

Guilmon is goddamn adorable.

It's not dead, but there's an obvious reason why it didn't fly as well as Pokémon. It's too weird for normalfags to enjoy

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thanks! will dl later

>Stingmon is one of my favs but i've never seen this absolute unit before
I assume he wasnt in CS/HM?

Tentomon and Gomamon were pretty good too

>Mfw Beelzelmon Blast Mode

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I think its partially to make them easier to make toys of, bigger feet meaning they can stand easier, and along with their facial structure an attempt to make a unique artstyle to help set it apart from pokemon

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>Degenerates
There's that word again...

based on Western cartoons and kaiju

Towards the very end, yeah, but I'd argue that the spotlight time evens out in the middle and then Impmon takes it in the last 15-20% just before the finale.

They're all great though. Tamers is just great.

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>be gender neutral
i can see why trans are uppity about appropriatkng pokemon as their culture

>why it didn't fly as well as Pokémon
If you're counting not doing as well as Pokemon as failure, then pretty much everything is a failure

gary stu then, you nancy

Dear god how fucking autistic are you.

Digimon is fucking full of giant bara furfag bait as well, likewise with Pokemon and having plenty of humans to be turned on by. The reason Pokemon worked was because the simple "cute" designs simply appeal to non-autists much better than bipedal mecha-furries covered in a hundred guns (whilst still having legendaries/etc. to fulfill that appeal),

Really, really based!

I never said it didn't do well.

For those who's into plastic crack, these just got announced.

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And Pokémon doesn't? Dumbass

Digimon canonically do not have genders because they do not have genitalia. Any notion of gender you project on to them is due to your upbringing of certain traits belonging to certain biologies, but biology does not correlate with creatures that are merely spirits integrated with software.

Although it also goes to say that digimon themselves can choose whichever gender they choose to identify themselves. One example being Taomon in Next Order very obviously having a female voice and build but is always referred to as "he".

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Holy fuck they look good

>Digiman games are all over the place and never keep with same setting or cast besides being a vaguely RPG.
>Pokemon setting is mostly one and same across game and media.

I wonder why people prefer pokemon more.

Digimon lacks something that all of the franchises on this list have

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>>Pokemon setting is mostly one and same across game and media.
Same thing as FIFA and COD. People love to eat the same lazy products over and over

>Failure would imply dying right as it started
Nah. It means it flops in the monster war marketing.

yet people keep bitching about how pokemon games are all the same and everyone is tired of it.

Yeah. Lack of soul

I see you're a man of culture as well.

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Sauce

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Setting and cast aren't the problem. Pokemon also changes settings and casts every generation.

The problem is the lack of consistency in tone.

Consistency can keep people interested for longer. Even if both franchises change demography per generation or season.

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bless this artists soul for doing this waifumon

And yet they've had consistent sales since Gen 3
The people that bitch about Pokémon don't play it

>Person takes a break from Digimon
>Comes back
>Nothing is how they remember it

>Person takes a break from Pokemon
>Comes back
>Everything is how they remember it AND there's new stuff to enjoy

>>Person takes a break from Pokemon
>>Comes back
>>Everything is how they remember it AND there's new stuff to enjoy
Bait lmao. You see people constantly saying how Gen 1 was the best. Why do you think the word genwunner exists?

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Actually not always true, I grew up with Digimon World 1, years later I wanted to play some digimon so I got "Digimon World: Next Order", and everything was basically how I remember it and even better.

Pretty much this.

Don't matter if you play RBG on GB or USUM on 3ds. Core of game stays same.

>>Everything is how they remember it AND there's new stuff to enjoy
What new stuff? A new dex and nothing else?

>Person takes a break from Pokemon
>Comes back
>Everything is how they remember it AND there's new stuff to enjoy
If only. Pokemon attracts the heavily nostalgic. Those sorts are more often then not disinterested in newer Pokemon. Essentially, Pokemon having sequels beyond [Childhood generation] proves to be too much change for them.

This is what bothers me the most about Pokemon

I want to see things change in some way, not run off the same format, same combat systems, even the same fucking math for decades.

Flamemon, It's a weird plot from Season 4 where they turned into Digimon that the human turns into this state for plot reasons in the human world to find that one of the villains is the long lost Twin brother to his rival who they never knew about because seperated at birth.

New gameplay mechanics

>Don't matter if you play RBG on GB or USUM on 3ds. Core of game stays same.
>He genuinely believes this is a good thing

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Then you end up with a fucking mess of a series like Sonic or Final Fantasy where nothing is consistent between games and the newest one plays nothing like the last game

Because it's funny, not haha funny.

>New gameplay
It's literally the same
>mechanics
Yeah, some new types, items, EV, IV and that's it.

The CORE remains the same

Pokemon adds new stuff on top of the existing stuff, franchises like Digimon and Sonic toss the old stuff out entirely

You know, I always thought the format of "Pokemon mystery dungeon" would work better as a Digimon game.
In the games is all about monsters that live in their own towns and cities, they are intelligent creatures that talk with each other and live in a world without humans, Digimons fit better than Pokemons.

Spin off exist for a reason nigger.

Also

>anpanman
Was not expecting to see that.

There's such a thing called a middle ground, a game doesn't need to completely upend itself in order to not do literally the exact same thing every time.

See: SMT and its spinoffs
even fucking Dragon Quest, while sticking to turn based combat at least runs different skills, numbers and battle mechanics

Pokemon is literally the same damn numbers and format every single time.

He's somehow more powerful than the disney princesses, how the fuck does he manage that?

Whats your Digimon idea, Yea Forums?

You do realize Digimon is around the 25th on this list, correct?

You need help, user.

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It's perfect the way it is.

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Some of the animal things would evolve into human monster things and I didn’t like it and then I forgot about it

Too sexy for their own good and not good enough merchandising. With pokemon there are only a few sexy ones but enough cute/cool ones that kids want their parents to buy.

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Digimon waifus / husbandos are legit hot, not like Pokemon waifus / husbandos.

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I like both, but Digimon will always be the best franchise IMO simply because of how weird it is and the monster designs are much more varied

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I beg to differ, but I'm a fan of both too.

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I want a Taomon wife

Cunny

>People still saying this after 2006

Literally normie brainlet tier logic, I enjoy DW1 and DW3 for their own merits despite them being wildly different games. Ideally we'd have several different series with different genres that would get sequels, along with new types introduced regularly.

Nobody takes a "break" from pokemon. Either they're autistic and never drop it or they grow up.

Pokémon will never reach this level of cute and funny

>tfw Digimon World Dusk
>have to beat legendary tamer test to get Chicchimon DNA
>playing on DeSmuME

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user

People who were into Pokemon during Pokemania but grew out of the franchise after it ended and only recently came back aren't a rare occurrence.

NII-CHAN! SODA! CHIPPU!
I suffer these soundbites every time I see this design.

Cyber Sleuth
Hackers Memory
Dawn/Dusk
Next Order
ReDigitize

ggez

Let me correct.
Pokemon waifus / husbandos are alright, but they are mostly furries, so only furries can enjoy them.
Digimon have furries, but also have more human waifus /husbandos, so there's more variety.

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Digimon Tamers had no right to be so good

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>person takes a break
But they always sell the same and even more. Sales do not decline

You're both overestimating the ammount of people who are furries, and underestimating the ammount of people who like pokegirls.

The sales don't decline because Pokemon's audience is constantly replaced. Every generation brings in a new generation of kids.

The people buying the games now aren't the same ones who were buying them (or having their parents buy them for them) 20 years ago.

The entire franchise is built with the mindset that kids will grow up, grow out of it, and get replaced by new kids.

Pokemon's got all its trainers and waifus and husbandus of practically every shape and size, they do a pretty good job of pandering to literally every kink and fetish you can think of.

Yeah, they're not rare because they don't exist. I know zero people who can sit through a whole pokemon game that are functioning adults.

They might as well be the same fucking thing there's so much overlap dude

Sales have steadily been declining since RBY

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It baffles me how full of normalfags Yea Forums is. Digimon and Pokémon war is supposed to be shit you see on facebook

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Talking about monsters, there are also Digigirls, like based Mimi.
Digis and Pokes have both Furries, but there are also Digis that are no furries and are hot, so there are more variety.

Beelzebumon is edgy, but the good type.

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This, but Ladydevimon.

Explain how Pokemon is the most popular franchise in the world then

It's because normies eat it up

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Name a pokeshit that could ever compare to Minervamon x. Go ahead. I'll wait

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Believe me, Pokemon fans are more likely to get annoyed at Digimon existing than the other way around.
Also, Yea Forums has been infected with normals for years now. Why do you think Twitter threads are a thing?

That chart shows the opposite though. Sales didn't decline, they stabilized because Pokemon was no longer a fad, it established itself as a permanent fixture in pop culture.

There's like four different bodytypes and two different faces in Pokemon humans, only the clothes and the hair are different

you just described anime

Story has got more chaotic with each season.
And worldbuilding went to shit, though I personally loved the edgier take in comparison to Pokemon.

This can't be a real digimon.

Retard

>*children eat it up
Fixed brainlet. Normies recognize pikachu and a hand full of starters and nothing else. The last surge they got was from GO but they managed to fuck that up royally so only autists and kids play that as well.

WHERE THE FUUUUUUCK DID YOU FIND THIS? WHY IS IT SO HD? I DEMAND A FUCKING ANSWER

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Yea Forums was full of casual retards for ages now, it's nothing new. Just the mentality of them has changed to constantly be seeking conflict and something to argue about.

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But the franchise's overall revenue has increased dramatically

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Also, Digimon actually fucking had their story closures.

Haha what game is she in? I'm not asking for any weird reason, just wondering haha

It is, dummy

It is but it never appeared in anything, not games or show, and is a weird variant of a different digimon.
This is the normal look of the Digimon.

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I don't think a franchise can fail and still get games, shows, movies and merchandise 20+ years later.

a hot take , I find Digimon lore more fascinating than Pokemon genwunner pandering

Guilmon has no personality.

Pokemon Go still makes millions a day you tard

Games are shit, only s1 anime is good.

>but they managed to fuck that up royally so only autists and kids play that as well.
I know as many normalfags who still play GO as pokefags, and there's a fucking lot of people who still go into these localized events they do too.

Do yourself a favour and watch Tamers.
Extra points if you watch it with subtitled instead of the awful english dub.

digimons.net/digimon/minervamon_x/index.html

I have no idea why it's so large compared to the rest of the digimon on the site

Listen to this user:

I believe Minervamon X is a pretty recent Digimon

Might have to do with the growing market as well.. you can see on the graphs that there is no growth which is the most important thing for investors

>You do realize Digimon is around the 25th on this list.

The only digimon game to sell over 1 million copies was the PS1 game. It's not the 25th biggest media franchise in the world you deluded fuck.

I like to imagine the fit looking male Pokemon, like Lucario and Greninja, getting fat.

T. never played one Digimon game

It's bad when Frontier does, but okay when Tamer does it

Because Tamers have actual Digimon partners with personalities and you saw how the relationship with the human and digimon was growing.
Meanwhile frontier is just "hey look at this cool toy I found now I am a power ranger!"

All phone games do that shit. It's just a hand full of mentally ill people with too much disposable income.

I'll give you that one, I'd expect normies to hop on opportunities to grind something out every once in a while.

Whatever. Being on the top 100 of this list is already something impressive

>leaked westernized version of minervamon x

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>ultra badass monsters that belong in some sci fi epic
>le anime children suddenly

Don't talk shit about Kazemon

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>99% hit chance
>Miss

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That graph isn't chronological you imbicile.

Assuming you're talking about pokemon and not digimon, I 100% agree. Pokemon ended when ash lost the pokemon league and he, Brock, and Misty went their separate ways,

The best thing about Digimon is the design variety. See

Still doesnt change the fact they did the same thing.

its been ages since I saw this version of digimon did the fish girl one really have that ass?

jej

CUTE

>he, Brock, and Misty went their separate ways

But Brock stayed with Ash for a looooooong time after that

Out of Pokemon's 22 seasons, Brock traveled with Ash for 12 whole seasons and part of the Orange Islands season

this but metal wargreymon

Yeah, they really should have chosen Mocchi as the mascot.

>metal wargreymon

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>within the top 100 highest-grossing franchises of all time
>fail

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This list is the epitome of right place right time

Why did they need a reference sheet for her in her underwear

This is being a terrible Digimon thread. The ones from last week were great

>they never made these for Tanemon, Yokomon, and Bukamon

REEEEE

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Oh shit nigger, I forgot I had those.

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If you ignore the poke v digi shitposters, you still have people talking about favorite designs and stuff

There's a scene early on in Adventure 01 where everyone stays at a mansion and goes to sleep in comfy beds. Turns out it's all fake and the cast is separated by the first big antagonist, having caught them off guard by playing on their desperation and the Digital World's weirdness.

A shame. Could be worse, though.

Because drawing a character naked is actually useful for getting used to their design, which is something you need to do when animating them. I always draw characters naked when designing stuff for fun.

This just jolted a memory of a Flamedramon toy I had as a kid that was my favorite. I lost it in a house fire.

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This.

Why does every Digimon turn into a girl at mega?

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D-Did your flamedramon start the fire?

Start posting big fat digifeet then

>hating on Frontier
Cringe pleb.

>Flamedramon toy
>I lost it in a house fire.

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I think you mean robot-knights with no visible humanoid traits past the general shape, not girls, user.

I love Ranamon so much
She's just the best in every way

>Anpanman, Doraemon, Sazae-San
>Cultural treasures of Japan
>Literally Who everywhere else

Is there a mod or game like Digimon world 3 but with fast travel? Or even an in-game map for the underground tunnels? I already beat it but i want to play it again with a different starter

>Pokemon is short for Pocket Monsters
>don't refer to them as monsters reee
What the fuck

God Tier:
Digimon World 1
Redigitize
Next Order

Special Tier:
Digimon World Championship (DS)

Second rate RPG or just plain bad Tier:
the rest

Too bad the 'World' series is heavily overshadowed by the shitty clone generic rpgs, that's all anyone remembers. pokeposters have good ammo

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I missed a lot of adventure as a kid, never saw that episode. Thanks.

I'm an artist myself, so I understand why the lack of clothes is important. Just figured barbie doll anatomy would have worked better than a specific pair of nighties

I was way more into Digimon then I ever was with Pokemon. So definitely in my opinion it didn't fail. Also some of the PS4 games that's come out has been pretty good. So I'd say it's still much very relevant. Pokemon on the other hand is a damn mess. Has been since after generation 3.

>However, the term "creatures" is acceptable
CRUMMY

I dunno, Cyber Sleuth seemed really sure of itself that I'd want an all-girl Mega team at endgame.

Good thing Belphemon was in it.

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You're fucking retarded and have no idea what gender even means.

Are there any Digimon games where I can use Mercurymon?

Worst part is that I like Frontier, I liked the characters and villains, I just disliked the whole concept of ditching the Digimon partners because is the part I usually like more about Digimon.

The fireman's report says no but I would understand if he did it on accident ;_;

What was the first Digimon you nutted to? I think mine was Greymon.

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I assume a good chunk of the possible megas weren't included, mostly Royal Knights, as they're important characters, but if you take a look at most Mega designs on the wiki most of them fit into the robot-knight mold.

It makes me wonder what the process for picking Megas for Cyber Sleuth was.

Ashamed of it, but wouldn't lie.

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Muh nigga .Digimon world series a best

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Fuck if I remember, that was nearly 20 years ago.

It was probably Weregarurumon though. He had the most art, I think, so he's the most likely.

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Is this one any good?
>muh childhood tier

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Not my favorite but I still really like it

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Renamon

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cute manicure

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The card game was way more difficult to get into than Pokemon was.

it was a lemon where Sora was turned into Biyomon by Myotismon and was made to live like his personal songbird. It wasn't even lewd

Can't say for sure but I think it was WereGarurumon.

>No Digimon game includes all Digimon
>The MMO is the closest we ever got
>It's absolute shit
WHY

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this but garrus

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Tell me about it.
Maybe Survive will include a shit ton of Digis, since it's not gonna waste time making 3D Models.

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You answered the question yourself by posting this abomination.

But that's Rengar.

I'm hoping Survive will give us a nice roster.

it didn't fail. it's a multi-billion-dollar franchise with an avid fanbase in both japan and the west. it's still getting new anime, merchandise, and games on a regular basis. cyber sleuth in particular ended up selling way better in the west than bamco anticipated, so the new digimon story game that's currently in development will probably have a bigger budget and more marketing. the virtual pets are coming back to western retailers for the first time in a long time, too.
the real question is why tortanic shitters like op can't just find a different hobby instead of annoying everyone else by wanting everything to fail.

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don't worry, I have a pic for both

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Cutie

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Survive will probably have a lot too. Don't worry

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because it wasn't renamon: the porn game

Not enough Incest

>Didn't watch the episode where Matt fucked TK in the butt for 20 minutes

What's the verdict on her?

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that dog looks cool though

What the hell are you talking about?

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Hard to say, but it involved them having a fat belly for sure.

Annoying but would fuck 5 times in a row

Is this the best Digimon game?
Is this also the best card game ever made?

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I would do her in the butt.

LITERALLY made for Omega Digi Cock

just to put things in perspective, digimon is a bigger franchise than:
>detective conan
>minecraft
>game of thrones
>fast & furious
>resident evil
>mortal kombat
>candy crush
...and many more. but since it hasn't made pokemon-tier revenue, it's a "failure" according to the mongoloids on Yea Forums.

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For me, it's Wizardmon

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i like the porn this guy draws

A child dressed like a hooker named after a phone that is best friends with a giant white knight

Pretty unique concept

Reminder that she is canonically ugly

>Annoying
>Not being all on board with the hotsrings digi love plan

second-best girl. first will always be pic related.

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I didn't really care too much for the Digimon card game. It wasn't the strong point of it. I did collect them and actually knew how to play unlike most people did. I was more into the Pokemon card game until Yugioh came out. Yugioh was my favorite card game until Link Summoning. But I don't know I've been considering giving it another chance. Just don't feel like throwing any money towards it right now. I wish I still had all of my Digimon cards. I only have a small collection at the moment.

>Wizardmon
based user.

Wizardmon is my favorite Digimon outside of the Greymon line.

i can't name any digimon designs that i like

I like Yuuko

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Here

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It's been so long to remember, but probably Impmon.

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With such incredible variety between them all I'm sure there's a Digimon for you out there.

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It failed because nothing in the fucking series is consistent
The games are pretty much different every time
The anime is different every time
Even the fucking evolutions barely make any sense half the time. I mean how does a cat turn into an angel or how does a piece of shit turn into some monkey with sunglasses.
The philosophy of the monster designs doesn't make much sense either, you've got dinosaurs, robots, cosplayers, blobs, piles of shit and they're all in one world somehow

BEAR

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Based

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It's hard to think of one when there's so many good ones. They overwhelm your brain

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sounds like you just have shit taste. i can fill an entire bingo card with them and still have to leave a bunch out.

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Why do you like Bearmon?

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youtube.com/watch?v=EMs9K4zD97k

Bye, and thank you

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Which game was more full of Bullshit? Digimon World 1 or 3?

This has a whole song???

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Games were shit except world but even then they're a bit of a crap shoot. I hear cyber sleuth is good but I haven't played.

Drawing a human and calling it a monster is the worst crime.

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i loved digimon but i never fapped to any of it. whats wrong with you?

I have fapped plenty of times to some R34 of Digimon and the Digi-Destined.

In the end, humans are the real monsters

Because digimon comes from a tamagotchi, everything about it is pretty much a spin off, there's no right anime or right game.

As far as evolutions go, the digimon starts off as a baby and then digivolve to stay on rookie until they can digievolve again to higher ranks. Depends on how the user takes care of their digimon, their digivolution varies. Not all Koromons will turn into Agumons, and not all agumons will turn into greymons etc.
Once they divigolve to their ultimate stage, they will devolve back into baby mode and reset everything. Digimons arent like pokemons that evolve into specific pokeons and stay that way permanently.
Also anime isn't canon, anime is just anime.

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Digimon was always too complex for its target audience. It had to fight powerhouses like Pokemon, Harry Potter and Star Wars when it first came out. Never stood a chance.

Fuck off, beelzemon. If they wear crazy armor they can be monsters

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I'm just like that

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You're functional and internally know that some things aren't for sexual. Be happy.

I wish some later stage digimon kept the same cute factor some of the champions had. I got Next Order like a week ago and I'm having a good time, but it kinda sucks that some designs for mons I really like get diluted into full on mechs or humans later down the line when there exists other mons that keep their base foundation and get built on with cyber shit.

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ye. i loved all the digimon as a kid because the designs were cool and creative. not because they made me horny.

Are you implying that Digimon aren't worthy of being sexualized? They're not good enough for you?

They've done nothing wrong.

>It failed
>Multiple series up to present day, multiple games, multiple movies, merchandise still getting released in the west
>Franchise has grossed more than shit like The Big Bang Theory and Mission Impossible
Darn, wish I owned a big failure like that

It's because the digimom don't stay in their evolved forms. Some do but he show made it seem like most don't.

>Stop eating pork Tamer-san, it offends and frightens me.

It's not fair, bros

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except for angewoman and such, most digimon are not worhty of sexualization

That's so shallow and narrow-minded.

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i want to get into digimon, where do i start

Excuse me, are you saying you don't like MegaGalgomon?

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Watch Adventure and Tamers. Skip the rest.

Play the World games except 4.

e621

Digimon is always soulless.

Play the Cyber Sleuth games. It's literally Megami Tensei but with Digimon

only the partner digimons and only in the anime.
the rest, once they evolve they never go back.

This shit is too complex for children. As others have said, it follows no rhyme or reason. Why would a pink blob evolve into a dinosaur, then bigger dinosaur, then a gigantic skeleton, then a knight?

He is a good natured lad and he has a 90s kid aesthetic. I also had a bear themed hat as a kid.

Digimon has probably more soul than any other monster franchise

I like him, but he lacks the charm that his previous two evolutions have. His little shoulder rockets are cute though, I'll give him that.

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Yes I know it came from tamagochi like games and that there is no right anime or game.
But not having a consistent core gameplay like Pokemon is just bad for longevity since a person might like the gameplay from game 1 but not game 2 and then they won't be as interested in playing game 3.

And sure I get the whole, your digimon will evolve differently depending on how you raise it but that's not my problem. My problem is more of how something like Sukamon can evolve into Etemon. It doesn't make any sense
>anime is just anime
I know but the question OP asked was why did Digimon fail? And I'd say not having a consistent anime where you can follow the same people every sunday morning really hurt it.

>It failed because nothing in the fucking series is consistent
that's because digimon, like megami tensei, is a multiverse. and in that multiverse, different rules can apply in different universes.
>I mean how does a cat turn into an angel
it's not a cat turning into an angel. it's data in the form of a cat turning into data in the form of an angel.
digimon's evolutions make perfect sense once you stop thinking of them as organic creatures and start thinking of them as sentient computer programs.
>The philosophy of the monster designs doesn't make much sense either, you've got dinosaurs, robots, cosplayers, blobs, piles of shit and they're all in one world somehow
you know how in persona, all the shadows/demons are said to have come from the collective unconscious? the digital world is kind of like a technological version of that. instead of coming from the sea of souls, they're born from humans' computer data. and since humans tend to like dinosaurs, robots and cosplayers, it makes sense that a lot of digimon are dinosaurs, robots and cosplayers. this is also why digimon who are literal computer viruses, and why digimon don't die permanently unless they're killed in the real world or their data is absorbed by another digimon.
admittedly, it's a little more complicated than that now thanks to some lore that recently came out, but that's the general gist of things.

Alright, first don't watch the English dub, they changed the whole soundtrack and ruined touching moments with bad puns.
Watch it in japanese with english subs, shouldn't be hard, and only watch the first and third seasons (Digimon Adventure and Digimon Tamers), they are the best seasons.
And for games, you can play any modern Digimon game (like Digimon World: Next Order) and pretty much get used to it (You can also wait for Digimon Survive, it's gonna be in all platform, including PC).
If you want to play more classic Digimon games, you have Digimon World 1, 2 and 3, they are very different from each other so if you don't like one, you can skip it and play the next one.

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It certainly failed in the west where it once had a relatively strong grip and is now remembered as little more than that one Pokemon clone that had a better show but worse games

I'd honestly say 2 with its step limits, constant traps, and needing to de-digivolve and re-grind levels on your digimon to increase their level caps so you can grind to higher levels. That was THE MOST bullshit one. 1 is bullshit because of bugs and not explaining anything to you, 3 is bullshit because of backtracking and loading times, while 2 has the worst of both and a bevy of its own bullshit.

Do you know what funny animal throws shit user? A monkey! A lot of connections are tangential like that. Agumon can evolve into meramon a humanoid fire monster, but so can a candle.

are you a furry?

But they do have gender in Xwars
There is a whole mini arc about a Lilymon wanting to fuck a Stingmon and asking the main cast for help

My guess is that they don't have any gender while in the early forms, but once they do evolve into a mon that is clearly male or female, they assume that gender role, or maybe they always had a male or female identity and aim to evolve into a path that will grant them the body they wish

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>My problem is more of how something like Sukamon can evolve into Etemon.
I think Etemon, much like other Pupper Digimon, is actually a suit, with the previous level Digimon inside of it. That's how the explain Numemon becoming Monzaemon anyway, as well as ExTryannomon.

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MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH

What do you think numbnuts

Are you a normie?

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I still wonder exactly how Hello Kitty makes so much money or is so damn known by every one
All I see her in is on kid's pencil cases and backpacks

furries killed digimon.

no it didn't. you know why we're getting digimon games in the west again? because western fans made a petition and got enough signatures to get bamco's attention. and then cyber sleuth greatly outperformed bamco's expectations in the west after that.
digimon has a strong niche fanbase in the west to this day. that's not a failure at all. especially compared to yo-kai watch's utter failure to get any traction outside of japan.

Lack of consistency was Digimon's largest issue.
Pokemon always keeps at least some of the previous gen creatures there. SMT mainly recycles the same demons. And the games are mechanically fairly similar.
Then you have Digimon that has games that are mechanics wise totally different from the previous title, so you won't know what you will be getting. And anime that has no recurring characters for the most part. It's harder to build up franchise loyalty that way.

You don't need to be a furry to want to fuck a Digimon though

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Yes and all that is literally why it failed (atleast in the west), it was too complicated for the audience it was aimed towards. Kids don't understand multiverses, data and realizing that the cat on the screen isn't a actually a cat even though it looks like one.

We're the only thing keeping it alive.

>Sukamon can evolve into Etemon

Yes it does, there are attributes in digimon, (much like fire, grass, water in pokoemon) are the same attribute. You just think a dinosaur has to look like a different kind of dinosaur etc.
If you've watched digimon, you'll know digimon world makes no sense. It's just a virtual world.

digimons aren't supposed to be animals, they are just computer data. Imagine it like a game.

BIG spoiler
Int he first season of the anime, when the kids returns to real world, normal people CANNOT see digimon. They are virtual data

Also the plot follow far deeper philosofy unlike pokemon which is literally a kids cartoon. This is probably the real reason why it didn't follow through the pokemon generation, although it did to me.

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That's too cute

what this guy said

Porn doesn't actually help a game. In fact, most people who draw porn of the characters don't even play the games at all, they just like the characters

I played and bought the games BECAUSE I like the monsters.

best boy

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This, any Renamon games?

Yes and the fact that the connections are so tangential is the problem. When people get Agumon and like it they'll just want it to evolve into Agumon 2 not Flamedude or weirdly colored Piccolo Centaur

The games are getting themselves together with clear lines now.
Digimon World are Open world V-pet adventure games.
Digimon Story are JRPGs
Digimon Survive is a strategy game.

The mobile games are looser, but they still seem to have the same style of JRPG gameplay.
It's not like how it was on the PSX, where every Digimon World game was completely different with no relation to the last.

Poop on me mommy :)

Cyber Sluts want you to have an all Lilithmon team at endgame
there is no reason to not rock 3 Lilithmon as your main mons and some healing digimon as a sub

Porn is the reason why I bought Undertale, you are full of shit.

too human like and not cute enough

You were shit on DW1, pal.

You just know she made Omegamon de digivolve into Ware Garurumon and WarGraymon so she could be split roast by them

KINO

youtube.com/watch?v=7cSB1IZU_8U

KINO

youtube.com/watch?v=PWaQnEhkGX4

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Any new Digimon games you can have a Renamon.

Translation:
>They like what I and you don't like. Be happy

I remember seeing toys for the sequel series in stores; just because boomers dont care anymore doesnt make it a failure

kids also don't care about the details as long as it's marketed well enough.
unfortunately, digimon's prime was cut short by toei making the shitshow that was frontier while disney bought the rights and then did fuck all to promote the franchise in the west.

Imagine the smell and the sheer size.

>it was such a failure that the games stopped being ported to the west so people had to sign a petition to get them ported
>but atleast it wasn't a Yo-kai Watch tier failure

>they'll just want it to evolve into Agumon 2 not Flamedude or weirdly colored Piccolo Centaur
Are you talking on your own opinion or actually heard others say that? When I was a kid neither I nor my friends cared about Digimon having branched evolutions that weren't similar to the previous one. Hell, the fact that they could evolve into different things based on how you raised them was kind of the charm.

>Not cute enough
Tell me a single Pokemon that is as cute as Calumon.

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Her farty poopy butthole would be glorious!

>blocked in my country
more like kosher

Easy

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>Pokémon had already taken the market on these types of games and shows
>The smaller marketing push in general
>Kids had already begged their parents for the Pokémon merch so fewer kids could get their parents onboard to buy the Digimon stuff as well
>The games were weird and convoluted compared to the Pokémon ones (for a non English speaking kid at the time)
>The fights were too spaced out in the show and when they happened they were boring
>Evolutions weren't permanent in the show so it carried less weight when they happened
>Strange offputting designs with the monsters suddenly turning into buff furries wearing ripped denim, etc. Even as a kid this felt like I some out-of-touch adult was trying to pander to my age group with these "way cool" designs.
>The 3 main characters of Pokémon managed to be more relatable and interesting than the whopping 7 main characters which Digimon had that were all designed to appeal to some specific group of kids
>In Pokémon, Ash wants to go on an adventure and has a clear goal, in Digimon the characters just kinda get sucked into another world and are forced to save it or they can't return home
But most importantly
>The legendarily bad dub in the Finnish version of the show
youtube.com/watch?v=vzeCAlAcugg

>too human like and not cute enough
Do you know anything about Digimon at all?

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Disney is one of those companies that buys its competitors just to kill them. Like Google.

>anything that isn't completely flawless in every way is a failure

wut

Not even close.

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Their growth depends entirely on how you treat it, you can certainly get Agumon2 if you do things to support it. Think like this
>I want to be a marathon runner when I grow up! Let me practice running.
Over
>I want to be a marathon runner and no matter what I do I will always become a marathon runner.

The world and story being different type of games always existed in japan
In the west they renamed all the Story games into World games to make them sell better since Digi World 1 sold really well in the west
Digimon World DS is called Digimon Story in japan for example

>Takeru is voiced by some 40 year old faggot

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Look at that round tummy.
So cute.

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>multi-billion-dollar franchise
>"failure"

>too human like
What?

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He is a CUTE fatty!

Go watch Xwars, they clearly aimed it at the parents watching digimon with their kids

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What if he was rounder?

>too human like
It has way more shape variety than Pokemon though

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I've heard people say that yes. When they talk about Digimon they like they'll always talk fondly of certain lines like in Pokemon. They'll talk about how they liked Agumon and it's evolutions (always only mentioning Greymon and the like) or the Gabumon line etc.

The cutest

His current roundness is fine.

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But more round means more soft.

If you stop getting games in a region you can safely assume it's because the sales of the newer games were so bad that it wasn't worth porting them. To literally anyone the fact that you no longer sell enough games there while you did previously would be considered a failure

Frontier did ok in japan since kids like super sentai and Frontier was basically that

Savers is what it killed it
Bad animation
Bad story
Bad everything but the concept of fucking punching megas to the face to digivolve

Because the dub was straight up trash and the fans grew up but the series didn't with them

sure, but another thing fans love to do is make up their own dream evolution lines, which is only possible thanks to the flexibility of digimon's system.
it's also not like pokemon's relative lack of options can't be a drawback at times. like, for instance, how rowlet will inevitably become a hideous reddit nu-male owl unless you have it hold an everstone.

That's just the most common and natural line of evolution. If you treat them in a particular way or expose them to certain things they can change to suit it.

I still respect at least some sense of proper proportions. Bigger isn't ALWAYS better if it gets unreasonable.

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>TOKOMON'S VOICE
THIS IS HORRIFYING

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>Because the dub was straight up trash

You must be american

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Yes kinda like this one I made a while ago. I think the natural line goes bear>griz>grapleo>Mars or >griz>loaderleo>whatever that tiger divine beast was called

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You guys want to hear how they butchered Butterfly?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZYXxJgaTSg

>and the fans grew up but the series didn't with them
Literally the opposite

Clearly. But the OPs question was 'why did it fail?'. It failed in America, because of the dub. It didn't fail in Japan or else it wouldn't exist at all.