Makes your retro vidya look amazing

Seethe

Nah I’m glad I’m not a seppo so euro homos won’t have erotic fantasies about me and think about my dick all day and make threads on /pol/ about it

>ruins your dithering effects

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That is just composite to scart adapter, it's not proper RGB scary

Pretty sure they gimp european releases anyway

>blurry image from shitty hardware
OMG 10/10 SO RETRO
>blurry image from software you choose to use
OMG -5/10 KILL WHOEVER DID THIS

purists should be shot

>blurry
?

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Sure they did, PAL was shit for videogames, 50hz made games noticeably slower. We didn't start to ditch that until the ps2 generation, and even then not all games had a 60hz selector. I wish I could trade my retro game catalog for their NTSC counterparts.

that's blurred compared to the pure output, yes, what about it?

Now this is bait

>scanlines and curved screen don't alter the image
are you trying to be funny or something?

>altered image == blurry
Do you know what blurry means?

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Just 60hz mod your systems, some games don't work that way, but most do.

found the butthurt retarded ameritoid mutt

I literally run all my retro systems through scart, I like scart, I just understand that it was a bad format for mass production and general use.

>NTSC
Ewwww you want shitty censored games with cucked dubs?
I’m glad even when I was young I only bought Japanese

60 Hz

You know Japan was NTSC too, right?

Why don't Americans have SCART? When I was a kid (90s - 00s), it was the standard connector for literally everything here in the UK.

And according to Wikipedia, "SCART sockets can output RGB signal, which offers superior picture quality to composite signal".

Do Americans just prefer shitty quality or something? I guess that would explain why they love McDonalds, Starbucks, cars that can't turn corners, a terrible education system, a healthcare system that you literally have to pay for, and laws that allow you to get shot in school.

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>Silky Smooth 50hz

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God I wish I had a crt

>i wish i had a terrible tv
???

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>it was the standard connector for literally everything here in the UK.
And literally 99.9% of all consoles sold in this country with "SCART" were just composite with an adapter block.

Dedicated SCART cables were always an accessory you had to buy separately.

How does it feel knowing our country is a direct controlling influence on yours, euro nog?

...

See literally the first response, either manufacturers or the government were to bitch scared about the cables fucking up your tv so they opted for safer alternatives that sacrificed quality.

> if the cable breaks, it doesn't work anymore

Did you think this wasn't retarded to bring up when you typed it?

Try playing a retro game on an lcd, it’s so it awful it makes people sick

Did you never enjoy the pleasure of having 0 input lag?

There’s a difference between a device “not working” and “not working and also destroying whatever it’s connected to” you dense sheepfucker

Considering most of the times consoles just convert the usual red-yellow-white cable to scart (therefore using like 5 pins out of the over 900 scart has), using scart really makes no difference whatsoever. Systems that actually had S-Video outputs look much better because S-Video has individual r-g-b lines.

I'm not sure what all of the pins do on scart, maybe you can convert s video to scart and get individual rgb signals into the TV, but by the time svideo became a thing I already had a CRT with native s-video capabilities (a 100hz Sony Trinitron which still works and looks good today, I play my Wii and older systems on it, for some of them I have s-video and the difference is noticeable).

No, there isn't, because the second one doesn't happen, you facebook grandma.

One's blurry, the other one isn't, the dithering is present in both. Do you not know what dithering is?

>S-Video has individual r-g-b lines
Wrong

>says the guy speaking a european language and whose entire civilisation is lifted from europe
Lmao how pathetic.

When you put it like that, fair enough. But the second response in this thread (which I assume you're referring to) seems to make a ton of excuses for why America didn't implement a superior standard.

I play retro games on emulators because it gives me perfect digital video, plus any controller I want, plus save states if I want them, plus I don't need to buy original hardware. It's better in every way.

Can't say I've noticed input lag on an HD TV.

>Can't say I've noticed input lag on an HD TV.
Opinion discarded

>Can't say I've noticed input lag on an HD TV
Maybe you're just too used to it. Try playing on a good CRT and it'll feel massive
Kinda like going from 144fps to 30fps

frttr

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>perfect digital video
this user right here has the perfect video

Isn't that only if you use composite, and component fixes this?

>try to buy one now
>memes have inflated the cost well beyond any reasonable level

>has SCART
>but also has PAL

I emulate

Sorry I don't speak retard.

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I googled it, indeed it has luma and chroma signals not rgb. I don't really know what any of this means, but I assume that having separate signals would mean a cleaner signal going into the tv compared to sending everything on a single signal (ie the yellow cable).
I clearly remember the signal being much better when I used s-video on my gamecube and PS2. Even when I captured analog gameplay on my PC using a capture card, s-video looked a million times better on a PC monitor, it also deinterlaced much better with minimal noise or comb effect.

S-video does look good, it's just not RGB and not RGB level good.

RGB>Component>S-Video>Composite>RF

My GCHD MkII works just fine thanks anyway though hehe :P

Like I say, I've never noticed lag on an HD TV. Do you think pro gamers play their games on fucking CRTs? I guess most of them use computer monitors, which probably have quicker response times than HD TVs, but still, they don't use fucking CRTs because they look like fucking shit.

>some shitty old CRT with fucking scanlines is "perfect"
Gif related.

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it's supposed to look like that you know. also competitive melee is played on crts only. gif related.

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PAL is the Chad standard with a higher resolution than NTSC. Suck on that.

Japan have their own version retard

youtube.com/watch?v=cWSIhf8q9Ao

>50Hz
If you say so.

>interlaced over progressive scan

>le visible scanlines meme
I'm a zoomer and I even know that's not true at all wtf. Why did you even enter this thread.

>Like I say, I've never noticed lag on an HD TV.
An HDTV with acceptable response times costs 2-3x as much.
>I guess most of them use computer monitors
Why might that be?
>they don't use fucking CRTs because they look like fucking shit.
Not because they weigh a metric fuckton and aren't in production anymore?

Opinion discarded

>it's supposed to look bad
Why?

>competitive melee
Why would I care about autistic weirdos? And why do autistic weirdos want an objectively worse video quality?

>a poor conversion means the format is bad
That's like saying a diesel car is bad when someone tries to run it on petrol. How can you be this stupid?

OH MY GOD, TEN HERTZ LESS, STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES

This picture, which is the post we're talking about, has scanlines: How about you actually read the thread before making a dunce reply and making yourself look like an idiot?

>muh response times
Literally never noticed this, but what I do notice is the vastly superior resolution and perfect digital signal on my HD TV. Maybe you're autistic or something?

>Why might that be?
Gee I don't know buddy, maybe if you read my fucking post you would find out?

>he genuinely thinks pro gamers want to use CRTs and the only reason they don't is logistical
Yeah, opinion discarded.

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because the classic games were made in the past. they are not supposed to be played on an emulator. also the autistic weirdos don't want any lag, because that is what you get when you play on a hdtv.

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Still a superior standard in and of itself.

Interlaced is garbage though. All it does is increase resolution by sacrificing half the image which is only necessary if you have bandwidth concerns e.g. broadcasting.

my fucking dick

That was my point.

problem solved.

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>How can am*ricans even compete
With component

Or if you get a console like Wii which has native component output you can just emulate everything

>Be me, playing DKC on HDTV
>Can't be beat first minecart level
>Dozens of attempts later
>Switch to pic related with 5inch screen running over fucking RF
>Beat on 2nd attempt

THEY USE COMPUTER MONITORS BECAUSE THEY HAVE DECENT RESPONSE TIMES IDIOT

God you're dumb

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>yOU shOulD ONLY wAtch MovieS in 480i bEcausE thAts WhAT the DiRECTOR inTended

>PAL isn't interlaced

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Not sure why though when both standards used it.

>higher resolution than NTSC
>literally 99% of PAL games are at NTSC resolution anyways, even games developed in Europe

what?

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>slight resolution bump
>vs 10 more FPS
It isn't even a question. I'd take a 240hz postage stamp over an 8k slideshow, buddy.

Don't you need to resync it every time you change consoles?

PAL is a superior broadcast standard, but since most video games aren't optimized for it it's effectively worse in most cases.

Component is an extremely recent connection as it wasn't supported until the PS2 while SCART has been supported since the 8-bit consoles.

SCART wasn't commonly supported without mods though

>How can am*ricans even compete?
Why would I feel a need to compete with whoever you are?

Old games weren't made for shit video quality, it's just that shit quality was the best there was in those days. Why on Earth wouldn't you want to play it on a better, clearer, higher resolution display? That's what I just don't understand. Think of a game like Super Metroid for the SNES - I would much rather play that using a perfect digital signal on an HD TV or computer monitor because you can see all of the art with much greater clarity than with an old fuzzy CRT.

If you want to recreate the old experience for a museum, then obviously a CRT is going to be authentic, but for actually playing and enjoying the game, I don't understand why someone would choose a worse display.

VHS was the standard when Titanic came out - does that mean I should watch it on VHS instead of Blu Ray? If I want the best quality then Blu Ray is objectively better.

SO WHY DON'T THEY PLAY THEIR AUTISTIC SMASH GAME ON HD COMPUTER MONITORS INSTEAD OF FUCKING CRTS YOU FUCKING IDIOT

HOW ARE YOU SO FUCKING STUPID THAT YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THIS FUCKING POINT

All the 16 bit systems support scart, the master system model 1 supported scart, really just the NES and Turbografx didn't. Ps1 and Saturn both support scart too, pal gamecube supports scart but not the American one, but ps2 and Xbox have full scart support.

More systems support it than not, is what I'm getting at.

>i'm biased
That's all you needed to say.

>Component is an extremely recent connection
>PS2 released 2 decades ago

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Video games have been around for 50 years as consumer electronics. SCART since 76. 19 years is nothing.

PAL versions of any game are gross for collectors

>using poorfags pvm
lol. BVM rise up

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>2/5s of the time
>nothing

have you played the old games back when they came out? because when i play them on a emulator it just doesnt feel right. im not used to seeing a clear super metroid. Add that fact with the input lag and i choose a crt over good resolution any day. also titanic was made for the cinema and not the vhs. sorry lad but im putting this argument on the "won" list here. lmao

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PAL Gamecube is an excellent way to play Gameboy games as the GB Player itself is region free and it has an extremely nice and affordable RGB SCART solution. By far the best way to enjoy the games of the era today.

Not him but ive had really shitty bluetooth dongles for wireless mice that fry the usb port theyre in after a while, its definitely something that can happen but maybe not as over the top explodey as that user makes it sound.

>but for actually playing and enjoying the game, I don't understand why someone would choose a worse display.
>Input lag doesn't matter
Fuck dude, how do you even live?

The 2(TWO) frames of inputlag introduced on PC games by iffy VSYNC implementation is fucking nauseating, and that's just at the software level.

You are a pleb.

user is clearly just moving the goalpost, dont rub salt in his wounds too hard

Even more so when you consider it was relevant for only one generation of consoles before being pushed out by HDMI. Most people never used component to play their systems.

RGB=Component

In practicality component is better as it allows progressive scan. While SCART was theoretically able to do this, it never materialized in video games. Then again only 6th gen consoles can use component. Everything else is SCART, or in the case of NES and N64 (fuck nintendo), composite or S-video.

>this thread
Is this some rich person joke I'm too poor to understand?

PS2 can do 480p over RGB SCART but it switches to sync on green for it so fuck all displays take it without extra hardware

thumbnail looks like a golf club

ALL I WANT IS A CRT MONITOR WITH VGA OUTPUT BUT THEY ARE EXTINCT

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SCART = RGB
RGB != SCART

SCART doesn't equal RGB, there are composite and s-video scart cords.

in europe, TVs had SCART input and could take RGB encoded video which is higher quality than composite or S-video, in america no TVs had it and we didn't have equivalent picture quality until component became commonplace much later. most /vr/ consoles natively support RGB and none support component so they get good picture quality more easily.
in the scope of americans it essentially is a rich person joke because you'd have to spend a lot of money to use it, on high-end monitors or video scalers.

Ah well,
SCART RGB = RGB
RGB != SCART RGB

Might aswell be synonymous as the only other form of RGB was VGA which is rare to say the least in console use. Dreamcast and PS2 come to mind.

Yes, I have a SNES with Super Metroid, and I used to play it on CRT in the '90s, but now I would much rather play it on an emulator.

>i'm used to shit so i will always enjoy shit
Are you still rocking a Pentium III with a 10GB hard drive then? Presumably not, because modern technology is better, and yet in this case you insist on worse technology? How bizarre.

in europe, literally every TV you can find has this SCART port on it. even back in the 80s.
SCART can carry RGB, s-video or composite signals. And there's a very high chance your TV can take the RGB signal as well. Even if your TV would ordinarily display NTSC in black and white it's likely to display RGB @ 60Hz just fine.
basically high quality and authentic /vr/ is trivial for euros to access on consumer TVs

>muh unnoticeable input lag
What a fucking moron.

>t. the max the human eye can see is 30FPS

>How can am*ricans even compete?
With BNC cables and dirt cheap switches.

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>Due to the relatively high signal voltages used in SCART, "hot plugging" (connecting or disconnecting devices while they are on) is not recommended. Although there is no risk of personal injury, there is the possibility of damaging electronics within the devices if the connector is inserted improperly. Also, since many TVs are Class II (double-insulated) rather than earthed, the large exposed shield on the SCART connector will be held at approximately half mains voltage if it is plugged into a powered TV with the other end unplugged. If the cable is then plugged into an earthed device with a metal case, inadvertent contact with the SCART cable shield while the earthed device is touched with the other hand can cause a painful electric shock. For this reason the device end of the cable should always be plugged in first and the TV end plugged in last.
No, thanks.

The only reason why CRTs are't made because of their cost. Why do you think you can get a cheap ass 40 inch tv for 200 dollars?

This literally never happened anywhere, you have to be murrican to get "painful electric shock" when connecting cables wtf man

looks beautiful
what CRT do i need to play melee?

You retards make me laugh every time with this shit.

youtu.be/RnvhjlR9kwg

20 years ago is recent?

Not that user, but my German professor watched a friend fry himself and die from messing around with the back of a PAL television when he was a kid.

>tfw bought one just as they were becoming a meme
>tfw sold it for 5 times what I paid for it and bought an OSSC instead

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>Ruins dithering and transparency effects
RGB looks clear as crystal, but that's not always what you want.
Developers were a lot more considerate of hardware than you think. That includes video output as well.
Take this picture for an example. The top one is clearly higher quality. You can see the individual pixels, but that also makes the dithering extremely noticeable, which isn't the intent.
The checkerboard patterns is supposed to bleed together, to create the illusion of colour depth. It works great on composite, but not on RGB.

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You know, it's like, documented that SCART cables have a 12v running through them right? this isn't a hard concept..

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mine just gathers dustnow
how do I make sure I sell it to a real vidya fan and not a fag reseller?
20 in PVM

>pushing the CRT meme when low-latency monitors exist

Response time =/= latency, newfag.
You got tricked by marketing.

Response time and input latency are two totally different things. Response time is more about how quickly certain colors change. You can easily find a reasonably priced HDTV with 16ms or lower input latency, which is within one or two frames at most, easily workable for most classic video games.

If you buy something like an OSSC, you'll get no additional input latency. It's very well worth it for a relatively low fuss set-up.

zoomer here, someone explain what you guys are talking about

Scart is like HDMI before HDMI, but wasn't released outside of Europe. Many people find its increased clarity unimportant, or find the cords to be badly designed for safety reasons.

depends on if you have your face in the monitor like people do lcds. top more than fine since you get that bleed effect from another 2-3 ft of distance you would have at controller range.

ask him about his favourite retro game

>Response time and input latency are two totally different things
I knew somebody was gonna call me on this. Couldn't recall the word and thought it was good enough.
You knew what I meant though.
As for reasonably priced, I don't know about that. I looked into getting an hdtv for use as a computer monitor and anything I could find as reference pointed to something that cost 2-3x what I was looking to pay.

I'll just use my trinitron and computer monitor.

You can mod tube TV to output rgb. Most are easy to do but some require an external amp. There you go, 60hz + rgb.
>inb4 I don't wanna be killed in the process
Pussy

>sharp image bad
>blurry shit good
retard

i have 4
i recommend getting medium sized 4:3 tv, make sure it's a tv and not a monitor if you don't want to use shitty chinese adapters

FFS, guys, seriously though, don't open your fucking CRT, they're dangerous as fuck, there is a reason that television repairman was a major job market for decades.

>terrible tv
looks fine to me

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I have a degree in EEE I know how to discharge these tubes.

kill yourself reddit memer

that cable is literally the devil

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Zoom zoom!

>Scart
>Unsafe
Only to your hardware, and only if you're a retard you unplugs shit while it's still turned on. Good job on misleading people, though. If no one really cared, they wouldn't be buying cheap-ass HDMI upscalers to get a better picture.

Scart is a mostly European connector, which was never widely used in the US. Not all scart cables are wired for it, but they're capable of transmitting RGB signals, that is to say they can transmit video signals that are split into three color bands. Almost no consumer CRTs in the US supported RGB thanks to Composite and RF being the dominant connectors here. Meanwhile some sets in Europe could support RGB.

Scart these days is used as the defacto RGB connector simply because it's most accessible for getting an RGB signal out of an old console. There are other options, however.

As for why RGB? Because Composite and RF look like dogshit and we have higher standards for picture clarity now.

rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/mu6300 I have an MU-6290 which is the same model without the smart features for the remote. Cost me just $300 and it tests very well for input lag.

I see, interesting

No, RGB definitely fucks with some intended effects when it comes to dithering.
Stuff like waterfalls in the foreground won't appear correctly, even if you sit at a normal distance.
It's not a major detriment, but it's there.

>SCART
That's Péritel for you, niggers.

scart? more like shart

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What is it with euros and their mutt obsession, anyway?