What do you think caused the fall of Street Fighter?

Name a better fighting game series. You literally can't.

That's Mortal Kombat.

4 saved fighting games.

smash bros

This

Fighting games shouldn't be full price with added dlc.

As much as I wanted to like it, it was V
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that's a party game for young children it isn't an actual fighting game

Only burgers and wannabe-burgers buy it

Mortal Kombat definitely became more popular than Street Fighter once it was owned by NRS.
I'm pretty sure Tekken 7 sold better than SFV, too.

You mean Moron Kombat?
Every mk is poverty tier in terms of gameplay.
You either have to hate fighting games or be a disgusting gurophile to enjoy mk.

>/thread-ing your own post

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sony

not even kidding

SF4 recovered, but sony killed it again

tekken surpassed SF in popularity a long time ago.

The FGC

>fighting game franchise

Not anymore, since it now pander to all those sjw idiots.

Like half a year ago? Come on.

Trying to make it an e-sports game when it clearly is aimed at casuals as a fighting series.

Sweetie, Tekken says hi

-greed that led the developers to try and pull in a wider audience, killing player expression and creativity in the process
-incompetence that resulted in some of the worst fighting game netcode and online infrastructure in a fighting game ever and numerous other fuckups that gave them a lot of bad press

I don't see how that proves my statement incorrect.
Sjw's are irrelevant.

Capcom turning into a waifufest.

Street Fighter got wasted in the last decade. It had so much potential, too.

Too bad Capcom is an incompetent company.

I think this is probably the best summary of it without going in to the actual game mechanics.

No, by Tekken 3 it had already eclipsed SF.

The move to 3D. Looks like ass and vomit now

That sorta makes sense. The SF4/SFV roster almost looks like a Mugen screen.

3D models instead of 2D sprites

And by tekken 4 it plummeted to doa levels until 7 came out.

Died when they stacked the brackets against this guy in SSFT2. Would have lead to a fighting games boom if he had been lauded as America's national champion / world champion.

So called OGs stifled the FGC and choked it to death when they cashed out. Like Valle/wong Capcom shouldn't have supported them and instead supported the little guy, the realest motherfucker on the internet.

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what fall?

Less than 1/3 of the cast is female, and most of them are returning characters.

Mortal Kombat
Tekken
Smash
even DBFZ has proven to be way more popular than SF5. If not for E-sports keeping it on life support, SF5 would be completely dead.

Look at the DLC costumes for SFV costumes. 90% of them are waifu outfits, and that's about the only thing put out for SFV for months.

He said "franchise" retard. Not sfv

Shut the fuck up phil.

yes and all of those franchises have proven to be more popular than SF right now.

SF is still alive, and it brought fighting games from death
and all of those are fucking dead besides mk, which is only popular because of faggotry in the past

SFIV overstayed its welcome, Capcom wanted to have SFxT be its successor but shitted the bed super hard and was forced to stick with it for 4 more years.

SFV had no budget so they had to go beg Sony for help, but Sony said, ok, but have the game out ASAP, which resulted in a very rushed product with basic features missing and that damaged the brand that was stagnated by the 9 years of SFIV even further.

Capcom no longer sees it as a very profitable investment and it would be dead for good if it wasn't for the e-sport aspect which will probably warrant a SF6, again with the help of Sony, to be a launch title for PS5, but that will be this series last chance to become the premium fighting game everyone plays again, which it haven't been since SF2.

>Tekken
>Smash
>DEAD
Nigger, are you retarded? Also MK has regain popularity with MK9 and has been becoming more popular since meanwhile anything SF related since SF4 has been seen with negativity.

No they didn't. DBFZ is yet to outsell sf2.

this

SF4 did feel like it was more aimed at casuals, but V is just tedious after playing it a while just for fun

Mk is doa-tier trash and smash is not a fighting game.

That doesn't mean Tekken as a whole isn't popular. Casuals were probably less interested in the series, but anyone who is the slightest bit familiar with video games knows Tekken and its characters just as well, if not better than Street Fighter. Yeah, there's Ryu, Chun-Li, Cammy, Blanka, and Guile. But there's also Eddy fucking Gordo, thanks to Tekken 3 and button mashing scrubs.

Back when I was a casual I couldn't even do the first few trials for Ryu in SF4, the game was anything but for casuals, if you learned basic punishes and how to anti-air & crouch tech option select, you'd immediately join the top 10% of the players.

Party game is a descriptor, foghting game is a genre. That being said they’re still wrong

What does sales from a game that's 20 years old have to do with how the series is doing now? SF5 and SF5AE together couldn't even outsell vanilla SF4.

the ugly models by some western crap company turned me off

You're delusional.

Yeah, tekken is dead, let's lot turn the thread into the usual tekken is a shit game for retards who want to button mash because it's way to easy to do

thats how i feel whenever i do sfv trials for vega

lol Yea Forums doesnt know anything about fighting games
fags should really just discuss tits and asses and costumes

this, SF4 is responsible for so many games since then achieving the success they have.

SF4
>Stylised, semi cartoonish graphics
>Bright colours and flashy animations

SFV
>Overly realistic, ugly graphics
>Dull colour pallette

One word ... NETCODE!!!

E-Sports and corporate greed.

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Are you crazy?
In what way sfv is realistic?

The FGC. Unironically. The FGC, particularly, the Street Fighter portion, killed their own game.

It's always the same story. Don't mistake the FGC for normal fans or even hardcore fans. Because although all groups will defend a franchise, only the FGC will defend shit decisions and bad games. They don't care about maintaining the core gameplay like the Hardcore, and they don't care about getting their money's worth like normal fans.

As long as they get their little Twitch views, edrama, sponsorships, and EVO, the FGC doesn't care if the game is trash. That's the problem. They'll defend and reward garbage if it means they can maintain their little cliques, followers, and donations, because they're *terrified* of having to work a "real" job.

So if maintaining the lifestyle means sucking dick, then they're sure as shit gonna pucker the fuck up. The FGC is one of the most ironic things ever.

Rushed SFV out, eSports, lack of communication, a very sterile roster and basing it's seasonal updates on updating said roster, garbage netcode, and Capcom just burning everyone out on Street Fighter to the point it's the only thing that means "Capcom Fighters" anymore.

I am sick and fucking tired of Street Fighter, and I used to love it.

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Is Ultra Street Fighter II for the switch good?
I might get it for less than 20$

based answer

Folks are going to shit all over this comment, but it's the truth. MK is on top, only rivaled by the bugmen who keep the corpse of Tekken alive. I go so far as to say even injustice is more enjoyable and feature complete than the jap garbage that used to top the charts.

Seasonal game.

wasn't usfii hated for being overexpensive and a financial failure?

Capcom announcing yet another series of Chun-Li costumes for Street Fighter V in hopes that people would get hyped for such things.

sfv is doing better than ever

try again vappa

>defending a game on life support that was previously dead for several years while the other was still continuing new releases after one failure of a project
>thinking that Tekken is not more popular than Street Fighter in current year despite the overwhelming positive reception from players and spectators alike
I'm not the delusional one

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>greed that led the developers to try and pull in a wider audience
That's the irony, though. You probably already know this, but casuals like content, they don't give a fuck about 1 frame links. Only ones complaining about that were scrubs who weren't even playing people who used 1 frame links anyway. They heard that shit online, probably from some other scrub or eceleb, then decided to repeat it.

New characters when?

Fighting games require a lot of work. Maintenance, online servers, steady content flow, balance patching. In return they offer limited revenue flow opportunities compared to shit like Cawdooty or other games that can monetize loot boxes (not that this stops Tekken from having loot boxes...)

This combined with a needy, niche community makes it not a very sound fiscal investment in as far as the FUCK I NEED A SECOND BOAT HOUSE investors are concerned.

>greed that led the developers to try and pull in a wider audience
Can someone elaborate on this?

because smash bros and MK proved that the "fighting" part of the genre was the least important part to the masses and that's all SF has and even that is of questionable quality lately

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Sfv is trash, i'm not defending it.
But you can't be in a right mind and suggest that tekken is more popular then sf because tekken 7 is doing well in fgc right now.

Doesn't SF5 also have lootboxes?
Also, while Capcom aren't as dead as Team Ninja with DoA, SF5 has so much fucking DLC skins compared to MK and Tekken

Tekken as always been more popular than SF since like Tekken 3

Capcom fucked me so hard I don't have faith in their fighting game genre anymore. I honestly think it's over, no way we're gonna get a goof SF title that isn't poisoned by eSports, or a good versus title from them ever again.

I play fighting games very casually now on the couch with friends but the excitement it used to bring me is long dead.

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>What do you think caused the fall of Street Fighter?
Nips just don't have a godlike guy like Icefrog when it comes to balancing.
Also they take years to balance their games.

Fucking where? In korea?

I don't think you are baiting
you are just THAT stupid and don't know what you're talking about
it's okay, maybe you'll install and play a fighting game at some point in your life

Locking the majority of characters behind dlc, especially the higher tier ones makes your game feel pay to win.
Making combos too easy to pull off makes the game less mind games and more trying to pull off the combo when given a chance.

3 hit and babies cried their favorite fighter wasnt in it anymore. I mean for fucks sake SF2, all its iterations, then alpha and its6interations and sequels. Then 3 came out when the BE 2 OR 3 FIGHTERS craze his with VS games Capcom Vs SNK, xmen, marvel, etc.
You are ignoring a LOT , faggot

The fall of arcades

Oh, also arcades were losing ground to consoles heavily

You people don't know how dissapointed I was of the 3D SF games.

They had a much better chance at being a casual's choice than any other fighting game, but Capcom had no fucking idea how to sell their own game, thus fucking everything up.

>icefrog
>just copies shit from leeg and hots
>good balance

Ono

When Capcom made SF3 and the series died until 4 came out
>it's okay, maybe you'll install and play a fighting game at some point in your life
Fucking kill yourself, I doubt you even play SF.

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That isn't necessarily the reason but the fact that it came to be this way isn't surprising at all. And I'm not only referring to the fgc, I mean everyone who is familiar with video games would say Tekken has always been more popular since Tekken 3. Tekken 4's failure didn't change that, and neither has Tekken Tag 2's mixed reception. Meanwhile after 3rd Strike, the general public forgot about Street Fighter.
I'm not delusional, you're just in denial.

lmao get good

based

having 50,000,000,000 different versions of SF2

>TI8: 110 heroes picked from 115
>WCS: 90 champs picked from 145
Yeah, Icefrog is copying lol alright. :)

Fucking nobody talked about tekken between tekken 3 and tekken 7.
Those games (tag, 4, 5, etc) sold less than sf4 in an opening week.
Literally, nobody gave a shit and the scene were dead.

So you're saying that tekken was more popular than street fighter during the time when no new sf games were coming out?

>Meanwhile after 3rd Strike, the general public forgot about Street Fighter.
They forgot about it so much that sf4 sold extremely well, right.

Casual 09ers.

SF3, unironically.
It was a dud, sold like shit, MvC2 was way more popular, even SFA3 was more popular than it, and it was supposed to be Capcom's next big hit.

It acquired meme status as the best fighting game of all time because of Daigo in 2003, but no one that praises it has ever played it.

Then came SF4, it was a new thing because it was SF2.2 but in 3D, the first version sold huge numbers and the game started becoming a e-sport hit. But then each new revision sold less and less and the game was dehydrated, I mean, it was a 9 years old game when its successor came out.

And then there is SFV, which faced huge problems at its release, small roster, network issues, little single player content as well as some mechanical issues.

SF is yet to release a game that becomes that HUGE MUST PLAY title ever since the original SF4 release, and it happened because of bad decisions, such as making SFxT a hilarious attempt of a cashgrab, introducing to the world the term "on disk DLC" which is acceptable today but back then was shamed upon. And then releasing SFV incomplete, the game should have been under production for a year longer, but they didn't have any money left.

A lot of it has to do with being a console exclusive. I know people who would love to play 5 but are sitting Sony out.

I am legit sad the day has come when MK is considered the top game. But look at the FGC itself I here days - makes a lot of sense that’s the shit they champion.

Based retard.

you must have paid 5 dollar for sf4 when it was on sale a few months ago which is the first time you had access to a fighting game

Yeah because SF4 is a sequel to SF2. When SF3 launched, the only recurring characters were Ryu and Ken. Akuma didn't get introduced until 2nd Impact, and Chun-li didn't get introduced until 3rd Strike. Just compare SF2 and SF4 base roster.

>I am legit sad the day has come when MK is considered the top game
Word.

Too much fighting, not enough streets.

And this was back when I starting playing fighting games on PC. I probably has just the same amount of game time for SF4 on the 360.
Kill yourself.

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So? It's all cosmetic.

Remember the GAME part, my fellow consumer?

>I am legit sad the day has come when MK is considered the top game
MK has always been the "top" game among the casuals, but it is a sad day when I would rather watch pros play MK11 than SFV

And? That proves that general public forgot about sf how?

rate my vega

mk was always the top selling game, but in the fgc it might as well be dead

What if they made a third-person Street fighter videogame in the veins of Absolver?

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trash

huuuuuuh english motherfucker? seems like part of your post are missing

King of Fighters and Guilty Gear.

Kof has some bad ones and 14 is a joke.
GG has 1 and isuka.

I don’t have any reaction pics but damn user that’s a frosty opinion

>the typical I don't actually play fighting games but cirrcle jerk them

>usfii hated for being overexpensive
yes
>a financial failure
surprisingly, it was a success for Capcom

3d graphics killed it. The art style just looks so fucking terrible in 3d and it just sucks the fun out of it. If they released a new one with intricate pixel work like 3rd strike people would eat it up

>14 is a joke
t. never played 14

for me, it's USFIV:AE

14 is boring and souless as fuck, just another generic game with shit mechanics

nobody should give a fuck about graphics, especially for fighting games, especially in current year

KoF has it even worse than SF

14 looks worse than mvci

>Stare at thing for hundreds/thousands of hours
>Doesn't matter how it looks

It really doesn't, go watch a movie or some dumb shit, games are for the gameplay.

There is a reason why people play older fighting games that look like garbage over the new shit

except a lot of older games still look great because they have good artstyles and sprite work. The newer stuff ages way worse. Compare sf4 to sfa

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>usfiv
>ae

make a choice

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100$ obsidians grab it while you can lads

Assuming you're talking about SFV. The third season of DLC characters was highly anticipated, and didn't deliver. Then they apparently stopped working on the game because no one expected them to scrap season 4 and release only Kage.

>only applies to ugly SC and Tekken versions but not plain version

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i just want cvs3. is that too much to ask
ono pls