>Things get more interesting in the second half, where Josh examines several of Deadfire's more controversial features, throwing his bosses under the bus a couple of times in the process. These include the five character party (no regrets), the companion relationship system (an overambitious failure), the ship-to-ship combat system (a disaster that was actually cut from the game and then forced back into it as a stretch goal by Obsidian management) and full voice acting (also imposed by management, resulting in what Josh describes as the most stressful period of his entire career).
>That's not to say that the entire talk is about blaming other people. Josh admits that he failed as lead narrative designer, creating a story that couldn't decide whether it was about factions or gods. He admits that he failed to realize that turn-based RPGs were now more popular than real-time-with-pause, and that he didn't take complaints about the game's low difficulty seriously enough during the backer beta. Ultimately, Josh concludes that in the future he should work on a different kind of RPG.
Jesus christ, and it was so bad that an update gave you the option to skip it completely. That's amazing, all that budget into one of the worst parts of the game.
Elijah Allen
What is the future of the RPG?
Hunter Anderson
How could a game with EPIC writing like this fail?
New Vegas was and is good and you can't convince me otherwise. Here's a question: what is Baldur's Gate 3 going to be about and how can it continue the Bhaalspawn's story?
Matthew Adams
Eric and barry are the same people user. You forgot the mod that said this?
Aiden White
Better buy 100 copies to make sure senpai.
Owen Gomez
>Here's a question: what is Baldur's Gate 3 going to be about and how can it continue the Bhaalspawn's story?
BG3 is going to be soulless shit (even if it is by Larian)
Ethan Diaz
ruin the hread how? by posting the fuckery of Obsidian?
Asher Bennett
Who is Eric and Barry and are they related to the Obshitian/Kiddinity poster that takes turns shitposting about certain games?
Is Sawyer Svens' number one fan? He always seems angry that D:OS 2 did so well.
Daniel Foster
>actually reading that stupid shit to begin with, why are trannies so retarded
Austin Evans
Damn I remember when trannies on the Escapist went mad about this.
Benjamin Howard
Imagine making a piece of shit and the work of it stresses you out enough to not want to direct another game, while Larian and Swen have a good time making a GOTY by building off what worked in your first game
>fun rhyme and gallows humor is "horrifying" Two towers weren't enough.
Andrew James
By spamming the same shit he has been spamming for over 3 years, yes. It drowns discussion, DA2 had a great postmortem period where people studied its flaws, learned from it, there's value in learning from someone else's failure. boards.fireden.net/v/thread/417135398/#417141527 See for yourself, if you see the pattern where specif terms are repeated ad nauseam by a specific poster in a thread, that usually appears in every thread about a subject, posting the same images as well, then yes, it's him.
Dylan Davis
DOS2 did beat out POE2 in almost every way. >fun story >fun party members >memorable villains >no cuckshit >no anti-straight pro-gay agenda, everyone can be with everyone and it doesn't make a big deal out of it
John Thomas
Not sure if he's a 'fan' in the idolising sense of the word, but based on the conference it seems like he at the very least respects Sven and Larian for showing that the playerbase for cRPGs goes beyond the infinity engine games that he (Sawyer) sought to recreate
Daniel King
having a fun time making what you want usually equals a good soulful game while making a product and appeasing to any group who screams just makes it stressful and terrible who would of thunk
Kayden Ross
What are the chances that the BG2/Valerie from Kingmaker waifufag is the same guy
Jacob Williams
which is weird because the last successful crpg was pillars but than wasteland 2 Like that shows we don't need to suck off bualders gate and can expand the genre more
Hudson Green
I don't think even disregarding everything in POE1 and doing your own thing in POE2 would save it - Sawyer doesn't even understand why POE1 got better reviews than POE2
On that I'm not sure, but I've seen this pattern over and over again, he usually sticks to threads that will get more replies, tries to dissuade others to his cause and usually invents shitty insults. He's also overly negative, so I'm not sure it's him, Valeriefag is pretty positive from what I've seen so far.
John Miller
Nah, Eric also spams threads pretending to be different people bitching about RTWP Valeriefag is somebody else.
Hunter Foster
The stupidest thing is that Saywer himself is a turn-based fag but Obsidian wanted to ride off that Baldur's Gate nostalgia. And then when PoE1 came out, so many people went "huh rtwp is kind of tedious, I guess I liked BG for the story"
Zachary Turner
you say while showing me that most rpgs do about the same
Kayden Myers
it just isnt that much fun pausing a shit ton Like i just want to play with a mouse a cruise back in my chair you fucking spergs
Luis Barnes
the reasons the first pillars got good scores was bcs most of these journos never played a crpgs so they had no idea how to rate it. the other part is sunken cost fallacy from the backers
Jeremiah Fisher
The issue is that turn based makes trash mobs a chore, and PoE 1 is 99% endless trash mobs. I'm sure the turn based mode in PoE 2 is alright because it doesn't throw as much mindless garbage at you every five seconds.
And OS2 is great because every encounter has a fucking purpose, its so much better designed than PoE its not even funny.
Larioniggas why did the enchanced edition focusing on fixing beasts story arc even tho no one gives a shit about him or his midget race?
Justin Flores
Because people wanted it to I guess
Anthony Martinez
Not that user, but look at the all-time peak numbers. 22k isn't even close to 95k.
Kevin Martinez
Nice
Adam Garcia
i was more looking at pathfinder. divinty 2 and poe2 arn't even in the same ball league
Nathan Wilson
AP was great nigger, fuck you
Carter Rodriguez
I truly don't understand the obsession with Owlcat when they've only released a single game. On top of being unbalanced due to the game being a RPG made with minmax builds in mind, extended with pointless and boring kingdom management, Kingmaker was a buggy mess that was literally (in the actual definition of the word) unable to be finished at launch. If they release more games and most importantly learn from their first release they might become a major player, but as far as I'm concerned they've only achieved mediocre results with a game that released in a time period where it had no competition.
Jacob Martinez
Which is sad, because Deadfire could've been a good game. They just needed a different narrative lead who can keep rookie and inexperienced writers in check and they needed to rethink their budget - not waste it on unneeded mechanics that are more trouble than it's worth.
Oliver Evans
Crpg fans are so starved for content that they'll latch onto any "not shit" game
Ethan Torres
Seriously sounds like some fedora wearing aspie wrote this.
Jaxson Wood
When one of the playable characters has a story so noticeably below the average, they had to work to drag him up to where the others were already sitting
Jaxson Davis
I think the reason people like the Rtwp system in BG is because it's very simple and straight-forward. Most fights can be won by casting prebuffs, some initiation spells and auto attacking. In comparison, the combat system in PoE is far more complex and micro-intensive. They should have designed PoE as a turnbased game from the ground up I think.
Ayden Anderson
dwarves just have so much screen-time in divinty 2 even tho literally no one cares. theirs many threads were im p sure most anons forgot beast exists, and its not just because his story was ass. Nobody likes manlets, just plain and simple
Ryan Lewis
>DOS2 set a new standard how will Obsidianfags ever recover?
Manlet here, I'm glad Larian is finally giving us proper representation.
Levi Moore
The standard was something other generes were doing literal decades ago
Lucas Sanders
At least they adressed the complaints about one character being underdeveloped and they rewrote him. Unlike Obsidian who kept coming up with the excuses why "sidekicks are a great idea".
Jayden Morgan
Divinity Original Sin 2 ad nauseum.
William Murphy
There's a difference between a 4 hour COD single player having voice acting vs a giant RPG having full voice acting (technically a lot of RPGs did it earlier, but DIVOS2 was direct competition with POE2)
Ian Carter
Yeah, you can tell that this was written by a woman
Eli Martinez
>dwarves just have so much screen-time in divinty 2 even tho literally no one cares. Even though I don't particularly care about the dwarves I thought it was a nice touch to visit a settlement dominantly inhabited by one of the races in the game/universe instead of it just being a hub with an equal distribution of all the playable races. It's one of those little things that makes the world feel more alive because you know you're in a shitty dwarf fishing village instead of random fantasy city #345 I'm not sure if it's a leftover from the game's early development stages where each race was supposed to have its own city/area or something. I remember it was one of the concepts they either scrapped or changed when they decided what they wanted to do with the origin stories
Owen Russell
most people will never hit max level in any rpg They could of cut half of poe2 content and literally nobody would of noticed. they also made dialog way longer than it needed to be in most cases thats on them also obsidian made new vegas a decade ago and that also had about 60k lines of dialog?
Blake Turner
>Romancing muslim girl and military captain girl >Recruit fish dude >Fish dude hits on me 24/7 >I play as a nice guy, so I keep letting him down gently instead of telling him to fuck off. >Somehow this means i'm flagged for the romance path with fish dude. >Get to the next part of my romance with muslim and military girl >They tell me they don't want to hurt fish dudes feelings and stop their romance with me. >I am now permenantly locked out of romancing any of the characters even if I tell the fish dude to go kill himself and fuck off now.
reads like that asari military command message from me3
Good. You opened this message. This isn't actually asari military command. They're busy tending to what's left of their planet.
So you survived our fight on Thessia. You're not as weak as I thought. But never forget that your best wasn't good enough to stop me. Now an entire planet is dying because you lacked the strength to win. The legend of Shepard needs to be re-written. I hope I'm there for the last chapter. It ends with your death.
your worst enemy -KL
and bring some candied nuts
Lincoln Cox
You still have Ydwin. Headcanon her giving you a nerdy blowjob as a consolation.
Josiah Cook
>taking fish man with you >not happy geez user who could of seen this happing
Levi Kelly
What the fuck were they thinking with Invincible Cutscene Chinaman?
Ethan Gutierrez
I fucking love OS but I'm still not sure what to think of this On one hand an endless stream of WORDSWORDSWORDS, purple prose or a combination thereof is sickening and one of the easiest way to get the player to start skipping through every dialogue box that goes beyond one or two paragraphs. On the other hand having full VA in the game is an enormous strain on the game's budget and dev time and tends to severely limit the depth of the game's dialogue and can result in dialogue trees being cut out due to the need for saving time/money recording all the lines that might not even see the day
Julian Smith
>DOS2 set a new standard >NWN2 and MOTB had fully voice acted dialogue and over a dozen different voices for the MC, as well as over a dozen voiced commands >Obsidian made it, too ?????
Luis Davis
Ydwin only wants to have sex with Serafen, not you dumbass
Easton Morris
Damn he's gotten so thicc look at his hips it's not just any type of fat that's estrogen he's been chugging soi
Larianchads rise up
Jason King
Did you watch that segment of the conference to understand the context of the quote or are you making assumptions based on the image that guy posted a few minutes ago? Someone doing the latter would indeed be retarded, but since this is Yea Forums I can't be sure which one it is.
Juan Anderson
Look how smug he is, he knows its not her fault that shes addicted to fat orlan cock
> fully voice acted dialogue Majority of the talks you had with NPCs were NOT voice acted, user.
Matthew Sanchez
OK, serious question. Where does she say that in the game? She just says she likes his jokes. That's it. She also finds Tekehu handsome and she subtly flirts with the Watcher.
Cooper Wright
>On one hand an endless stream of WORDSWORDSWORDS It's a fucking CRPG, what did you expect?
He only cycles as exercise and he cycles a lot, so those are massive bulging cyclist legs giving him a pear shaped appearance. But strip him from his clothes and you would see a statue of rippling toned thigh, calf and leg.
seriously random encounters dont realy belong in those kinds of RPGs. Random encounter are for open world RPGs or anyhting else open ended, not for a guided CRPG expirience.
Aiden Cook
I feel like he should have done a lot more damage to be done threat. Even at the highest difficulty his fights were complete jokes and I just steamrolled him with no effort.
Plus the whole part where he gets his ass kicked by a retired lizard man that's dying from space cancer.
Isaac Moore
>still being this mad that Kai Leng tricked you seven years later Heh... nothin personnel... kid...
Robert Robinson
they did exactly what they set out to do. they made a RTWP game which the fans demanded, stuck to the ruleset, didnt include any cuckshit, had decent graphics and adapted the adventurepath well.
they are different to lets say larian who are full Ideaguy mode, but they did what they set out to do. CRPG autists usually dont care about bugs and the like.
Camden Hernandez
How about you go play Fallout 4 instead? it might be more of your thing, there's rarely more than 4 dialogue options to pick, perfectly tuned for the American attention span.
William Morales
I know that. I have all the DLC. I haven't noticed any of that. If anything, she's cute for the Watcher.
John Howard
Is the forgotten sanctum good?
Josiah Wood
>Didn't include any cuckshit
Except for you know the literal cuckolds Regongar and Octavia???????????????????
>turn-based RPGs were now more popular what are 5 good turn based RPGs in the last 5 years
Ian Taylor
>if you don't like an overwritten slog that's 90% description means you're a brainlet How about fuck off
Sebastian Richardson
there are exactly three games that are like OS. OS1, OS2 and ToEE.
meanwhile how many games are there that are like the Infinity engine games? BG1, BG2, IWD1, IWD2, Planescape Torment, Torment Tides of Numenera, Pathfinder Kingmaker, PoE, PoE Deadire, Dragon Age, Dragon Age 2 (hurr durr muh action combat), Dragon Age Inqusition, probably dragon age 4 aswell.
Come on man.
Daniel Hughes
>I want to change the whole genre to cater to my ADHD pozzed brain How about you fuck off?
Henry Brooks
There's better written games in the "genre" with a lot less (useless) text.
Brody Adams
it ended up beeing awkward. Lizards bareley got anyhting other than the one part of Arx. Elves had their odd enclaves, like the one in act 2 and then the temple on the island. But realy, it wouldve worked better if they started with the idea of them beeing sprinkled in from the start, rather than planning a homeland for each and then abandoning that. Especialy since the exact same thing happened in Divinity 2 Ego Draconis
Evan Sanders
Can't be stopped
Hudson Lopez
Embrace your destiny Become a gay fish
Ian Peterson
It's meh. I actually barely remember it. Some combat encounters are decent, story is not too bad. Overall, DLC are decent. The problem is - you still have to slog through 60 hours of boring as fuck main game to experience them.
Carter Nelson
I liked dungeon siege 3. The team was remotely competent. Can we have that Obsidian?
>NWN2 >fully voiced no? thats just blatnatly not true even in MOTB. Also im fairly sure the "setting new standards" wasnt meant to mean just the voice acting. Oblivion already did that a fucking while ago. GOTHIC did that a while ago.
BG3 takes place 100 years after the Bhaalspawn saga. Bhaal is alive but very weak in 5E D&D. There may be more Bhaalspawn roaming the world. Characters from BG2 may get a mention or make an appearance as some of them are still alive, but it's not known at this time. Places from Baldur's Gate will make a reappearance, such as the Copper's Coronet and the Inn which name I forget.
Alexander Powell
sex was kinda boring tbrqh rather play vidya and fap. more advantages.
Blake Reed
Mindflayers or what you call cthulu man produce like parasites, so they need a host race to reproduce.
Brody Brown
You never heard about wereoctopuses? They are a thing. Also, fuck you for not knowing what an illithid is, you troll.
Juan Cook
I'm okay with this.
Noah Nelson
>genre are you retarded, you stupid fucking inbred zoomer? descriptive prose wasn't a thing in cRPGs until this "revival". Literally only Planescape Torment had it, and it was the only game that did it well because the writer actually knew how to write. And even then, it could've used an editor.
Dominic Garcia
I just wanted people to discuss BG3 know everything about illithids and their big brains hivemind lairs with brain-massaging drow slaves
Alexander Murphy
alright they are degenerates, but its different in my opinion. You dont get forced through a dialogue tree wehre you have 7 dialogue options all of which are praising them how brave and stunning they are for cucking each other
please dont fuck this up, please dont fuck this up how the fuck is this going to run on that shitty stadia thing?
as for your question, i think it's an illithid mind flayer thing. they lay eggs in your brain and the yong eat your head and turn you into a squid puppet body. they're psionic, so i think a feature of the new game will be some kind of psionics system. which will no doubt be broken as fuck as for the plot it's probably more down to earth than bg2 and its expansion. probably something about a mindflayer cult developing in baldurs gate.
Carson Martin
I don't know about 5e, but Shapechanger is a level 9 mage spell in AD&D. The guy is probably a master wizard/sorcerer.
Hudson Wright
>Copper's Coronet That's a tavern in Athkalta. Unless they are branching out like McDonalds, that's the different country. BG has Elfsong Tavern.
Joshua Turner
what are ANY turn based RPGs in the last 5 years? There were Original Sin, Original Sin 2 and Shadowrun. Or is shadowrun older than 5 years i cant remember. thats it, not counting JRPGs of course. And all of these games (besides the first shadowrun) were generally considered to be good.
Austin Bennett
this. basically everyone praised planescape torment for its """meaningfull"" writing, and with this recent CRPG renaissance everyone thinks purple prose is hot shit and tries to copy planescape for the nostalgia bux
John Garcia
>liked >Dungoen siege 3 >i liked dungeon siege 3 i dont think these words have ever been strung together in a single sentance before
Benjamin Lopez
Age of Decadence. Play it 5 times.
Carter Turner
its a mindflayer dude, realy old DnD monster. Didnt feature in too many of the video games tho. NWN had them and Dagonshard had them and i think that was about it. Probably the MMO too since that has everyhting.
Ian Turner
I'm not him, but I liked it, too, for the most part. I even played Dungeon Siege 1 and 2 on release.
Jaxson Garcia
>down to earth >larian Sven already said theyll include a Nautiloid Spelljammer. And i bet the Mindflayers wont be the final badguy, theyll probably be the decoy antagonist for the first half of the game.
I trust Larian. They seem to have a passion for the project. And the teaser was cute. Especially the "vomitting teeth" part. I just don't know what to make of all this. And I don't trust WotC not to meddle with the story and mechanics to be honest.
Nathaniel Fisher
nobody realy. Its nostalgia goggles from the infinity engine games. They dont realize that RTWP in the form it existed in was mostly a constrain of the engine. RTWP is actually half turn based and thats why it doesnt work and ends up beein grealy annoying to play.
At this point id prefer straight RTS, Dawn of War 2 unironically was a fun RPG. We Spelljammer now
Hudson Gray
cat would probably pwn the dog in a real situation. solitary hunters > pack hunters in 1on1.
Ethan Johnson
Hola, my broski. It wasnt phenomenal and the camera was shit but it entertained.
Grayson Gomez
What the fuck? Wasn't he skinny during New Vegas' development? I remember being impressed by his dedication, he scouted out most of Nevada on his motorbike and sang many songs for the game himself. What the fuck happened to him? When did Obsidian go so wrong?
John Howard
I know, I've seen many households with cats and dogs and dogs are always at the bottom of the pecking order.
Jack Davis
>Dawn of War 2 unironically was a fun RPG i unironically support your statement
Bentley Carter
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain.
Carter Parker
hired too many woman
Lincoln Murphy
Baldur's Gate 2 had ilithids too, zoomzoom
Chase Bailey
>We Spelljammer now So we inter-planar space pirates?
Yea the camera sucked and the framerate chugged like a dying deer, but it was fun for me
Aiden Hughes
>fucked up poe 2
what's fucked up about poe 2, it's a good game
Tyler Rogers
its alright user like a solid 7/10 It just isn't exciting gameplay wise and its story is kind of retarded when you think about it and its plagued with sjwshit but it has its moments and multiclassing/subclassing was fun
Kevin Howard
it's his thread to begin with
Oliver Cook
aww
Jose Foster
dogs are the most cucked animal in existence They literally evolved to live side by side with humans in hopes of scraps Cats meanwhile could give less of a shit, but still choose to show love and affection
isnt Sven 70 now? Turns out, some people just stay on the righteous path
Anthony Harris
Probably not but i can see Larian doing crazy shit like the Party getting a Spelljammer as a base and fighting Illithids in realmspace, or using it to raid the big Illithid Dreadnaught. theyve done jetpack dragons, i wouldnt put useable spelljammers beyond them.
Robert Fisher
>Ruin the Obsidian thread by posting images of Obsidian games
What you see is a PR stunt for easy brownie points. What I see is a day that the women were not working in office, so the men could actually do some work. I bet a ton of shit got finished that day.
Jonathan Jones
I'm actually becoming more excited for this game now.
Eli Phillips
Avellone and 60 others left.
Jason Jackson
Some people are just set in their ways, I guess.
Gabriel Lee
too many german cakes
Gabriel Collins
I always assumed he was in his 50s
Joseph Murphy
Remember when 10 years ago you could've get fucked by a hot German mercenary MILF in Obsidian game?
I want waifus. Larian is good with those. But knowing WotC they will force some bullshit rainbow diversity into the game.
David Murphy
I like Deadfire far more than Original Sin 2, to be honest.
Hudson Ward
If it's just bisexual girls I'm okay with it.
Henry Rivera
Care to tell me why? Even after all the DLC, Deadfire felt half baked and it never felt like they went all in with everything. I think the one thing in the winter island DLC best explains my point. While in the void, you can meet this universe's Jesus, the prophet of the guy you're chasing who got exploded so hard he was voided. You have the choice to take his soul with you to ask Eothas what the fuck is going on. It amounts to one line of "You need to trust me" followed by "okay, sounds legit" and nothing comes of it.
Jaxson Gonzalez
It seems aww, but it's a dominance thing. Cats in groups groom eachother all the time, but the toughest cunt will be first on the list to groom all the others. Cat's slapping the dog to establish its place, then licking it to show the pecking order.
It's still done in social groups though, so kitty does love doggy.
Asher Green
Coming back to what? Baldur's Gate is the most overatted RPG to date. Shit ass writing with shit ass characters saved only by mods fleshing these self-inserts out more. Not to mention the smooth brain exclusive RTwP combat. Then came the absolute cancer that is the """""""""""Enhanced""""""""""" Edition.
The only good thing this genre ever had was the first two Fallouts.
Jayden Watson
It had better writing, characters, visuals and combat system. The only advantage Original Sin 2 has is the co-op element. People can just as easily nitpick over Original Sin 2's retarded divinity system and endings (including characters you can kill but then they come back anyways, fuck your choices)
Thomas Green
That would be optimal. But Crawford is a Pride Parade faggot with a boner for trannies and he's in charge of D&D team. So, it won't be that easy.
Brayden Miller
>The only good thing this genre ever had was the first two Fallouts.
I agree with you, but why do you think that?
Jacob Diaz
I found the writing laughable, the visuals are subjective but I also prefer the industrial fantasy aesthetic, and I found there was more depth with divinity's combat system because of the elemental stuff
Why do autists melt down over Josh Sawyer so much?
Ryan Martin
Because he's a super autist
Jackson Roberts
>PFK with that low all time high
Kinda sad tbhfamalam
Aiden Edwards
It's good for a game with a niche fanbase and no marketing.
Asher Robinson
he's the most visible person on the dev team. there are definitely worse obsidian devs, but they never get featured so people can't complain about them as much.
Lucas Wright
>poe3 Retard
Carter Morales
josh didnt write any of the sex scenes dumbass
Juan Powell
What I don't get is why anti-RTwPfags are so filled with vitriol and bring up how much they hate it all the time.
Perhaps that's for the best, looking at what mainstream appeal does to games.
Levi Thompson
With him on the team, it's harder to pull off OP builds as every class is viable. At least, that's what the complaint was during PoE's beta.
Cooper Phillips
Thank god, he would have tried to balance them
David Thompson
He was the director of the game and passed the text to editors before approving it
Robert Brooks
Didn't he write the Burned Man in New Vegas? I fucking loved that, what happened?
Noah Parker
What the fuck did he expect? >Backers say the game is too easy >Josh: You are just a bunch of grognards >Backers: Where the fuck is the devs? >Devs: We're fucking around in a Tumblr Discord >Game tanks Oh and he still calls the backer beta people psychotic too. I like Josh but this really left a bad impression of him.
Matthew Green
he would've removed them he doesn't like them. didn't want them. didn't write one for the only companion he wrote.
didn't write it and he admitted that, concering the writing, he was outvoted on many issues (particularly romances) and at some point he stopped caring and delegated those responsibilities to Carrie Patel (the narrative lead)
Daniel James
Their games are gonna suck from now on. You know they will be riddled with more retarded feminist shit and will probably stop letting players freely kill anyone they want because hAtE ViOlEnCe
Xavier Hall
He also started going to the range to learn about different types of ammo and how certain guns should feel, and ended up turning into a full on /k/ommando
Caleb Hughes
>meanwhile Larian admitted that armour system in OS 2 is trash and fans were right about it You just know who actually cares about making a game instead of just getting a paycheck.
Jace Thompson
I really liked Josh during New Vegas. He didn't look like a fat lesbian, he was autistic about all the right things, you could really see the amount of effort he put into the game. He wrote one of the best characters inside (Joshua Graham), which wowed me as I usually consider him a much better designer than a writer. How far the mighty have fallen. He should have just quit like Avellone.
Aaron Taylor
sex is actually pretty boring
Brandon Turner
>Biggest I told you so >Josh is now chubby >Looks dead inside This is an empty victory. Why Josh. Why didn't you listen to your backers. Your fucking audience from the start instead of SomethingAwful? He still doubles down and says the people who back the beta aren't the target.
Charles Nguyen
>He should have just quit like Avellone.
but avellone is still doing vidya work
Jonathan Campbell
>>I'm a bitch boy cuck who doesn't want to do his job
i mean it's true, but at the same time i can kind of understand him, since according to him he hasn't had a break from work since 2010.
Jackson Jackson
I meant quit Obsidian to just fuck around with different studios. He wrote the best companions in DOS2 and Tides of Numenera.
Sebastian Hill
1.sawyer didnt write most of the dialogue or the characters. he almost wrote none of it. he was a director on the game primarily 2.there is no quality talent working in obsidian, from writers to the 2d and 3d artists they employ
even so obsidian is better than the rest of these other companies making rpgs
Logan Wilson
Well anyway what else can we hope to expect? Will the game resemble more the Original Sin stuff or the original BG games?
Camden Perry
Obsidian was bad at everything except writing. Then all the good writers left. What did anybody expect?
Easton Perry
I'd love to see Sawyer ditch Obsidian and work somewhere else, but I don't know what other studios he'd fit in with.
Nicholas Jackson
Bethesda
Aiden Moore
really showing what a brainlet you are the comment was planned and made just to bait memeing retards like you to support the game and get traction with people aggreing with them even before they show anything (most likely disappointing to most fans)
you're probably not even from Yea Forums. instead some larianigger with an agenda coming here to shill
Oliver Bailey
As director Sawyer could have vetoed a lot of the shit. He was too nice to let them run wild. We get Xoti a 28 year old woman who acts like a 16 year old blushing school girl, Aloth a gigantic priss asshole compared to the first game where he becomes a bro, Eder the cuck who raises his ex-girlfriend's son, Tekehu strokes his dick gay fish.
Seriously why is Deadfire so gay? And I mean like actual gay. There are more gay romances then straight.
Ethan Sanchez
How about you suck my dick nuObsidianfag? I backed PoE expecting MOTB levels of quality, instead I got a pile of endless trash.
What? I enjoyed Dead fire enough that it's unironicly on my top 10/15
Only complaints are what he addressed in OP, too easy (Which was fixed) Also, the ending felt weird since you didn't really have a say since Eothas is gonna Eothas
RTWP is fine when done well, e.g. Aarklash Legacy.
Jason Murphy
>TFW you backed 300 for Deadfire >Promised a sequel >Instead got a gay standalone game where nothing in the previous game mattered >Consequence of Thaos is one line of dialogue in a dlc. >Empowering Woedica does nothing to her
Carson Hall
You have bad taste
Austin Price
The game is good mechanically after they patched it to not be braindead easy. I'll give it that but it fails on every other front.
>first game established if Woedica gets back in power shit might go down and other gods support you in preventing that >sequel throws everything about it lmao
Jacob Flores
>Larian no thanks desu. their rulesets are complete and utter garbage and writing is just as bad as PoE.
Jeremiah King
Instead they made Berath the defacto queen of the Gods. Something even Woedica admits in her new dialogue.
Nathaniel Bell
Ok, what should I play then. Seriously.
Caleb Campbell
seething
Henry Collins
STOP HAVING FUN YOU JERKS WHERE'S ALL THE BLACK TRANS WOMEN?!?
Eli Brooks
Atom Kenshi
Adrian Watson
Can't stop winning
Larianchads rise up
Chase Foster
This is reminding of the AMA Josh did and a bunch of people asked if there are trans people in Deadfire and if Pallegina is trans. Josh did his best to not say a direct no.
Brandon Myers
The only monogamous Male player to Female Companion in base game refuses to give the player babies but gives a no-name farmer babies if you don't marry her.
again you don't read and aren't able to understand like the brainlet you are instead you got triggered into your little fit let me continue, you don't belong and have shit taste as well and you are fucking dumb what is nuobsidianfag supposed to mean you moron haha got triggered into showing you are attempting to fit in and projecting you know what you are talking about when it comes to crpgs. you don't anything else I missed?
Planescape doesn't have a fraction of PoE's purple prose (nor ironically, Tides's either), tardo
Jace Phillips
>Josh admits that he failed as lead narrative designer, creating a story that couldn't decide whether it was about factions or gods. He admits that he failed to realize that turn-based RPGs were now more popular than real-time-with-pause, and that he didn't take complaints about the game's low difficulty seriously enough during the backer beta.
at least he admits it but goddamn how do you let this shit happen in the first place
Nathaniel Edwards
prove that the world isn't fucked protip: you cant
Anthony Smith
>Future of the RPG is the past of the RPG So WRPGs as a genre are dead.
Charles Cooper
that's got to be a new cliche density record
Gabriel Morris
Maybe if he didn't hang out in SomethingAwful the entire time and allow his team to ignore the official discord and forums in favor of a Tranny one....
>how do you let this shit happen in the first place By listening to discord trannies and san fran journos.
Dominic Kelly
He looks fucked up.
I think it's God's punishment to him.
Christian Martinez
right.... that's why there are so many successful jrpgs like uhmmm hmm ehhh mmmmm
Liam Jackson
This.
Larian's writing is shit. It's not as embarassing as Obsidian's, but it's full of cringey attempts at humour and generally feels like a 15 year old's first D&D game.
None of these CRPG revival games have decent writing. The best is probably Kingmaker, and that's because it's just bland as fuck and generally uninteresting, while all the others are actively bad.
Jaxson Moore
unironically by listening to discord and tumblr trannies
Logan Jenkins
Leftism corrupts your very being.
Jason Morales
Final Fantasy Tales Dragon Quest Persona SMT
Ryan King
I just hate how in Deadfire and Tyranny you just play errand boy all game. You can even call them out on it and the quest giver says "yeah but uhh you're here :)"
They realized Reapers lacked personality and needed a main villain with carisma, but they had killed Saren, so they tried to shoehorn a full new character in the last game where it makes the least sense. And on top of all that, nuBioware writers.
Sebastian White
I'm right you know
Ryder Sanders
Lmao Americans who think that the worsening of their slave conditions is great and cool and progressive deserve to be killed in the coming violence.
I'll be living safe and sound in an East Asian country somewhere.
Benjamin Gomez
No you're not. All these game series are successful and have at one point had "jrpg style" gameplay.
Julian Lee
i watched it and he comes of as quite humble and reasonable. I haven't stalked the guy so perhaps he is a nutjob elsewhere but he doesn't come of as arrogant in this video.
Easton Stewart
>i watched it and he comes of as quite humble and reasonable
When you redact history of course you come off that way
Here's Sawyer/ropekid admitting that he has yelled at fellow employees for not including enough gay characters in their games
what's the qrd/spoonfeed on Josh and tranny discords?
Aiden Moore
>ed123 is still posting on the codex what a fucking legend
Austin James
I don't mind Sawyer, he just has his idea of "Fun" and I have mine. I can't fault him for being lazy as he's CONSTANTLY fucking around with his mechanical systems and updating PoE. Mostly the problem is the PoE/Age of Tranny writing just wasn't very compelling. Like, whew, I forgot what I was reading to begin with after following the rabbit down the hole of links to more entries with more links. as for BG3, you'd have to be the dumbest grognard to think BG3 is going to follow the Bhaalspawn again. That saga was OVER with ToB and epic-level D&D is gay overpowered munchkin shit with totally broken game mechanics and even if they theoretically could make it about the Bhaalspawn cruising around the astral realm punting lesser gods and hanging out with cool githzeria (not the githyanki they're a bunch of faggots who sit around polishing their silver swords and talking about MUH VORPAL QUALITIES)
John Rivera
IMAGINE BEING OBSIDRONE IN 2019 LARIANCHADS RISE UP
Dominic Gomez
>Turn-based good The only think that kept it unique was the real time fighting
The difficulty was super low but instead of just making the enemies even stronger/ stats a little weaker/ adding new mechanics
They decided to do those things and also axe all the creative builds
Sure they were op but instead of toning it down he outright removed them Killed his own game
I hope he at least keeps the weapons/upgrading system
Legit the best of all the new crpg
>pititng them against each other go back to you xbox vs playstation threads
Jayden Sanchez
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I will say this tho I hope Larian learns from pathfinder and btfos them all those bugs were downright unacceptable
Jose Powell
>pititng them against each other Competition breeds improvement. Either you improve or you sink with the trannies. Your choice.
Larianchads rise up
Ayden Clark
The writing for Deadfire is perfectly fine, you just aren't the target audience for it anymore. Boomers love rtwp iso rpgs, but it was written in a millenial zoomer style so your boomer mind rejects it and hates it.
If Deadfire was a big Witcher 3 rpg it would praised for its dialogue because zoomers would have actually played it.
Kevin Miller
>text scenes in the first game >clean art with a few voiced lines, letting the player use their imagination to fill in the rest >text scenes in Deadfire >deviantart gods arguing for no reason with a monotone narrator saying "the X says" after every line
>Sawyer Can't Admit he Fucked Up Pillars of Eternity 2 >Josh admits that he failed as lead narrative designer, creating a story that couldn't decide whether it was about factions or gods.
So which is it?
Isaiah Lee
Sawyer seems pretty passionate which is a good attribute imho.
Matthew Rogers
Its just causes them to become the same game >Halo vs COD
Now even poe wants to be turn based these games should be judged on their own merits
Jacob Hernandez
everything in NV was mostly written by Avelonne, minus veronica, because Eric probably fucked felicia day to make another generic felicia day character.
and nowadays avelonne is taking the redpill because he had enough of this bullshit, though he still drinks so-ylent
Dylan Gutierrez
Boomers trying to cling to the last hope that their still culturally relevant will make them gobble up any old shit.
Christian Morris
well then they should know for who they created the games.. because even though they market it towards codex and then they always shit on them it is not great way to get these people to buy games they did give them twice massive amout of money and they were twice disapoined i wonder if they will send them money for three times
Jacob Diaz
>Its just causes them to become the same game No, it causes them to compete. You just described one outcome. An outcome of a loser. If you start ripping shit off you'll alienate the original audience. This is how Halo died. They lost the war.
Juan Wright
Avellone only really wrote the dlc's brainlet. Except for Honest Hearts which Josh and Gonzalez wrote. Everything in the main New Vegas game Avellone worked on was Ulysses who was cut from the game and Cass.
Tyler Morris
I agree with the points about voice overs. Fully voiced games in this type of text-heavy RPGs is a fucking meme. First thing I did in DOS2 was turn off the narrator voice becaue holy fuck, talk about grating.
And let's be honest, 9 out of 10 times the voice actor is not really capable of elevating the writing with their performance. And how could they? You'd have to pay a fortune to get top voice actors for these huge games with bajillion lines of text. But then you gotta take a step back and ask yourself, why have voice acting to begin with if it's not gonna be good, especially considering the restraints a fully voiced game puts on writers (and budget)?
Partial voice acting is the way to go for RPGs (and something JRPGs have done literally for decades, take note baka gaijins). This way, you can make sure you have great performances for the roles and moments that really matter and make these moments extra memorable.
becouse they did created exacly what fans of crpgs wants .. if its not your think thats fine but boomers like these games and it is fantastic that someone made games for them
Ayden Lewis
>still that's from 2012
Landon Brooks
Had sex once and caught a charlie horse. not worth
Connor Walker
>complaining about boomers while thirsting for a game based on a boomer game lol @ boomers
Matthew Phillips
Like the other user said, Avellone only wrote Cass in the main game. Eric did both veronica and boone, plus a lot of the best content in NV (vault 11 and Beyond the Beef, for example). Josh Sawyer wrote Arcade iirc and also Honest Hearts. Dead Money which has the best writing in the entire game is definitely Avellone though, it has his trademarks all over it.
Adrian Wright
The same exact amount of people that bought Deadfire bought Kingmaker which shows how small the market for old rtwp iso rpgs are. Pillars 1 caught zoomer interest which made it sell so well but Deadfire couldn't do it again. Face it user, boomer rpgs are dead and buried.
Deadfire had an official discord for backers and people to talk with the devs. The devs ignored that discord and went to a discord made by Tumblr people for fanart of Aloth and Eder. The dev team started spending all their time on there ignoring the official discord and forums. Josh spent time in that discord and SomethingAwful forums. When word got out that the devs hung out in the fan discord people started migrating there. As a result people started talking more about the game's mechanics over romance and gay shit. The admins of the fan discord then closed invites in order to "keep the community as it was". The devs didn't care and continued to hang out there and take advice and feedback from them. Carrie Patel, Rekke's writer, Aarik spent the most time there.
Dominic Gonzalez
user i honestly dont know how to explain this to you...
user 1: I like Oranges! user 2: I Like Lemons! user 1: Lemons are shit becuse they dont taste sweet! user 2: But acutally i like its sour tast... Anon1:Stfu boomer! God: Hmm seeing the feedback i guess we should make Lemons sweeter... user 2: I fucking hate Lemons now! user 1: Lol lemons still taste shit compared to Oranges user 3: I like apples!
Nathaniel Ortiz
>explains in a reasonable and insightful manner the failures of his game to help educate people and show insight into development of video games
REEEEEEE WHAT A SJW KEK HE FUCKED UP HE BUT WONT ADMIT IT
Nolan Butler
>I truly don't understand the obsession with Owlcat when they've only released a single game. Because many of their devs worked at Nival before and made several great games there.
Camden Wood
I'm not reading all of that, it seems retarded. Anyway apples and oranges are fine. But Obsidian's oranges are rotten.
Rise
Gabriel Baker
Not much to it. Basically some trannies made a Discord in which all the devs flocked to and ignored their official ones. Josh didn't spend much time on there but was on SomethingAwful 99% of the time. In the backer forums Josh has not ONCE replied or talked in it.
Dude, Baldurs Gate 1 did that 20 years ago. It is kino. Only now Bioware and others went full autistic with fully voice acted dialogue.
Aaron Harris
So now that pandering to Tumblr/Resetera failed do you think Obsidian is going to try it again for Pillars 3?
Robert Brown
good lord that's incredible
Adrian Gonzalez
unironically truth
Colton Smith
I forgot which but one dev there admitted to going to Carrie's desk and demanding she make Aloth a fag.
Joseph Young
Streamers. Streamers are the reason. No one can, or wants to, read paragraphs and paragraphs of text on a stream. People just want to sit back and listen like it's a podcast or a movie. Streamers are necessary to reach large audiences now, so if they hate your game it is doomed. That's the reality of vidya in 2019.
Jason Thompson
These just mean concurrent players ie., people playing the game at the same time.
John Richardson
yikes
Ryder Flores
I can appreciate that boomers might enjoy it but its frustrating expecting a character to be voice acted and for it to not
At least be full on read only if you dont have the budget.
Are they the reason the meme builds got canned? Do we have any images of their balance suggestions are are we just going to assume
Eli Ross
Western rpg devs are dead in the water, they worry mostly about fags and trannies.
James Watson
What pissed me off is not only did they do full VO for streamers but they also released the game a full week early exclusively for streamers. I even saw a literal who streamer with like 10 viewers have it.
Connor Jones
Well that is silly for several reasons. First, plenty of partial voice-actde games are a blast on stream (I personally enjoy Danganronpa streams and they're at their worst when the person streaming decided to read every line out loud, fucking kill me). And second, even if they're not particularly "stream-friendly", who cares? It's not like you need it to succeed or anything. Absolute worst case, you're gonna miss out on some free advertising. And honestly, even that is doubtful.
Aaron Reed
>Do we have any images of their balance suggestions are are we just going to assume People posted a couple caps of the Discord but there weren't many people in it since they closed invites. But from what I remember most of their advice consisted of >Pillars 1 was too hard when X >This monster is too hard to make it X >The ai is bad so please improve it >The combat speed is too quick as default please lower it >We need more gays and trans in the game
Camden Harris
>Thinks asinine is a big word. >Not American
Checks out.
Parker Barnes
i don't agree with this. streamers aren't going to sit through heavy narration whether it's voiced or not; they're going to skip right by it to keep the flow of the stream up.
Xavier Powell
It was flawed for sure, but I still enjoyed pillars 2. I do hope we get a third one set in the new land, since Ondra's storms are gone.
William Sullivan
Josh said it was streamers on the video user.
Bentley Morales
>The ai is bad so please improve it That cant be bad >The combat speed is too quick as default please lower it cant you increase it in game anyway
>Pillars 1 was too hard when X >This monster is too hard to make it X These make sense
Also the potential real hardcore gods not being able to talk about balance would for sure fuck the game
>We need more gays and trans in the game I honestly hope they can all romance from now on There are other ways to like characters than needing to get your dick wet
Austin Walker
Josh is an idiot then. Why would that boomer understand the zoomer stream culture anyway?
Jaxson Moore
It has nothing to do with enjoyability. Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing for full VO, I think it's a massive waste. But the viral marketing benefit of streamers is too powerful. A game that can be memed by streamers is a game that will sell like crazy. And conversely a game that is not streamer friendly at all will have a hard time hitting that critical mass of general audience popularity because so many people just play whatever streamers play. Then, factor in that VO is an expectation now. For critics, players... And streamers. And again, streamers have viral power. If they think your game is lazy because it lacks full VO, thousands of people will now parrot "user's game is shit" without ever having played it. Saving face in front of players matters more than ever now because the criticism most people pay attention to is coming from other players, not professional critics.
Jackson Price
well then he's retarded. if you ever actually watch streamers, they'll skip by any text, narration, and even dialogue that goes on too long because it breaks up the flow of the game.
i actually see more dialogue reading for unvoiced games; streamers use the opportunity to do goofy voice acting of their own.
Christopher Bell
I think you're overestimating the power on streamers on a broad spectrum. Obviously they can serve as promotion, but how often do they REALLY make a game succesful? How many games would have failed but were saved by stream popularity, how many would have succeeded but were doomed by lack of stream popularity? The answer is, next to none. Aiming for that one in a million critical mass streamer hit is, like I said, very silly.
Luis Brown
Not even just streamers, Steam friends with whom I played Div OS2 got mad whenever I wanted to actually roleplay in the character interactions or take my time to read and respond in NPC conversations.
Ayden Barnes
I'm a zoomer and i liked the fact that it was fully voiced I also like its when DDOS was fully voiced. How can anyone actually enjoy partically voiced
>Then, factor in that VO is an expectation now this, i recently played NWN2 and i legit thought they ran out of money because i heard some guys being voiced and other not
Even NWN1 was more bearable since it was mostly reading
Gavin Richardson
Why is "balance" in CRPGs actually bad? Actual balance (everything being strong, fun and full of potential), not lazy "balance" (everything being gimped so you can't do anything interesting with it).
Michael Rogers
im 28 what does that make me
Robert Green
Because no one ever does the former.
Oliver Martinez
gay
Levi Parker
my cumdumpster
Benjamin Bailey
Mow your garden old man
Isaac Hernandez
>How can anyone actually enjoy partically voiced Because there's lots of bad voice acting out there, and writing that comes across poorly when it's spoken.
Camden Reed
Fuck this estrogen thread
Move
Ian Lopez
He personally took the blame for everything but ship-to-ship combat (which he wanted to cut entirely) and full voiceover (which he didn't want).
He explicitly said why he resents D:OS2. It had full voice acting, which gave him no excuse to not have full voice acting on Deadfire, despite being halfway through development planned around partial voice acting already. See One dude on Yea Forums posts copy-pasted anti-sawyer bullshit almost daily. I dunno what else to say except 'autism is a hell of a drug'.
Jackson Cruz
Nigger these are fixable... It actually hearts my ears expecting words to come out
Adrian Miller
well you're an idiot then who gives a shit if random npc XYZ is voiced or not
Players will ALWAYS chose the path of least resistance, even if that is not the most fun one because nobody likes to feel like they're handicapping themselves. And especially in games like these that focus on character progression, developing your charcaters to be suboptimal just makes you feel like you're bad at the game. And your actual balance example is basically "why don't they just make the game good lol" - it's hard.
Logan Murphy
Go back to discord josh
Charles Sanders
>Players will ALWAYS chose the path of least resistance, even if that is not the most fun one because nobody likes to feel like they're handicapping themselves. I'm pretty sure that's just you being autistic.
Andrew Foster
How can an adult male look THAT much like a fucking faggot? Leave that shit to women, dude.
Mason Lee
Fixing a bajillion lines of text takes lots of time, effort and money. And it's also a massive restraint in terms of flexibility - ALL the writing needs to be done early to have time for it to record stuff. You have a good idea later on? You want to rephrase some stuff? The story developed in a different path than originally planned? Nope, can't do any of that and more, not without a great deal of time, effort and money again because changing a line of dialogue is no longer just a 5 second task in an editor, now you also have to book VAs again and make new recording sessions and process the recordings for the game files and and and.
Aiden Ortiz
I used to read all his formsping answers about development. Dude was reasonable as fuck.
Liam Wilson
>How can an adult male look THAT much like a fucking faggot?
josh is literally a gay.
Sebastian Robinson
>So.
Joseph Watson
That sucks about the voice acting. I know why they have to have it, personally I like reading and skip half the VA's lines anyway.
Adrian Ross
>who gives a shit if random npc XYZ is voiced or not If you dont even put in the time to voice that npc why the fuck should i even bother doing his quest. By refusing to voice them you literally saying "this character isnt important"
hell why even make him interact-able at all
Im sure it does take a long time but hey Larian managed it
Nolan Cook
Yeah not like that's what every developer ever that has ever put out anything in the last 30 years will tell you . Players want to win. More than they want to have fun, even if they may not admit it to themselves or others. If you seriously doubt this, why do you think balance is even a concern in single player games?
Adrian Harris
Honestly I like having voice work in games like these. It helps me focus on what the text says more easily. I often don't even listen to the whole voice line, but having it start out helps it drill into my mind more easily.
Though really, all PoE2 needed was to not be as wordy as PoE1. That game reached the point of being word diarrhea at times. I'm still not quite sure what was going on in Grieving Mother's visions. Though even the devs admitted they went a bit overboard with the text in 1.
Luis Phillips
>why do you think balance is even a concern in single player games It fucking isn't, not for devs that aren't shit at least
Christian Baker
>Players will ALWAYS chose the path of least resistance, even if that is not the most fun one because nobody likes to feel like they're handicapping themselves. So doesn't imbalance actually help this because it makes finding the optimal path more rewarding? The way you're phrasing it, no amount of balance will ever matter because only the optimal solution will ever be considered worthwhile.
Brody Nelson
It's like three whole syllables
Joseph Perry
But it is nigger... Games like pre EE ddos1/ ddos2 /xcom2 pre wotc/early days poe Had shit balance Where most of the time you were too strong and could abuse mechanics to win
Eventually people thought there was no challenge and asked for balance changed (which at least in those examples apart from ddos2) they got
Isaiah James
>the bhaalspawn's story lol what story?
Ethan Clark
Well this is a bit trick to talk about when it's so abstract. You want to make the possible options close to each other in terms of viability. You want players to play what they actually want to play and enjoy without making them feel like they're screwing themselves over by doing so.
Like, the best way to play DOS2 is to put all your points into telekinesis and throw heavy objects at enemies which is fun for the wackiness of it all for 5 minutes, then you just think to yourself "wow this is really stupid".
Brayden Collins
is that game actually any good? Im a sucker for aarklash and the whole rackham written setting. But nobody but frogs will touch it and the tabletop is dead There used to be a tactics game set in that universe but all evidence of it was scrubbed from the internet it seems
Mason Russell
It won't continue the bhaalspawn story, they explicitly said as much. It'll be an entirely new story.
This thread seems like the place to ask. Just finished New Vegas, what other RPGs are as good writing wise?
Asher Walker
Eh, arguably DOS EE added more imbalance through wands since you can now go for crazy damage focused dual wielding wands maxing out AP and using buffs like Oath of Desecration to rape enemies even harder.
Robert Powell
fair enough they at least removed the bleed/leech combo
DDOS2 just lets you become a god with the soruce skills, sure it makes sense but being able to end late game fights in 1 turn is a little out of hand your life :)
Ian Long
Owlcat lives in eastern europe where the wages and cost of living is far lower than California. They can survive on the low sales of Kingmaker, Obsidian can't. Obsidian did come out saying that a Pillars sequel is extremely likely so they're probably working on one too now that they're a Microsoft studio.
Ryder Gray
>Like, the best way to play DOS2 is to put all your points into telekinesis and throw heavy objects at enemies Really? That sounds stupid.
Ryder Martinez
Arcanum Fallout 1 and 2 Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines Planescape Torment Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer (sadly just the expansion) Morrowind Persona 2,3,4 and 5
Matthew Wood
>They can survive on the low sales of Kingmaker, Obsidian can't.
why won't obsidian just move to bulgaria or some other slavland?
Andrew Sanchez
It is. And luckily for Larian most casuals don't know about it. But imagine if such a lame, optimal way was obvious and readily available. That's why balance matters even in single player games.
Landon Jones
>5
Hudson Murphy
>But imagine if such a lame, optimal way was obvious and readily available. literally just don't use it.
Jaxson Brown
Bulgaria might be a great place for that as it's the country with the most rapidly shrinking population in the world, property must be getting ridiculously cheap with time.
Easton Bennett
Fight me. Oh wait, you can't. You're tired, you should go to bed.
Zachary Sullivan
"Barrelmancer" is actually pretty well known.
Anthony Brooks
But that feels stupid. You're gimping yourself. And imagine you lose some fight or get a game over or something while knowing you are intentionally using subpar strategies, you'd feel like a retard.
I know you think you're the ubermensch and this doesn apply to you or whatever, but as every developer will tell you, players need to be protected from themselves in this regard. Players will optimize the fun out of agame.
Oliver Smith
>is that game actually any good? I enjoyed it a lot for the few bucks I spent on it on gog.
Caleb Miller
>Players will optimize the fun out of agame And that's the player's fault.
Parker Stewart
That's debatable, and I'd argue it is on the game designer to tailor the game in a way that prevents this.
Adam Rodriguez
>valerie literally gives her virginity to random stranger while she's in your party as you're trying to court for the explicit purpose of ruining herself
her entire character belongs in a hentai game
Owen Perry
there are tons of lame optimal ways to play. You can also cheese encounters by stacking explosives around people, by fleeing from combat and re entering, you can also just chuck death fog at people, you get basically infinite death fog at some point in the game. You just have to take the containers from the ship, which weigh 10 UNITS rather than the 200 weight ones you get in Arx. Just throw Holocaust gas at people to make em go away.
But thats the beauty of it. Theres so many ways to cheese in that game. The alternative is an overbalanced game wehre nothing truly shines. I prefer Divinitys approach desu.
Jason Adams
its not "stupid easy" you have to put points into strength to carry shit around and into telekinesis. its not "hard" but its tedious and there are way more fun ways to beat the game that are also not much harder to do.
Realy barrelmancer is what you do if you get stuck in tactician mode, and realy even tactician mode isnt that hard that you need it.
Matthew Allen
Deus Ex System Shock 2
Jayden Flores
Jew Sex, Arcanum, Mask of the Betrayer
Luke Taylor
I've played fallout 2, Planescape, Morrowwind, and Bloodlines Is FO1 as good? I've heard people say the series only hit its stride with 2 Will check out MOTB and Arcanum, thanks The original Deus Ex? Does it still hold up? I've only played HR and Invisible War a long time ago but I didn't like Invisible War which is why I didn't try the first Deus Ex
Carter Williams
>Is FO1 as good? I prefer 2, a lot of people prefer 1. Well worth playing though.
Landon Garcia
>The alternative is an overbalanced game wehre nothing truly shines The problem is when you have a game where only 1 or 2 things shine, and they're also very obviously overpowered.
Ideally, it should be possible to "break" a game, but it should have various fun ways of doing so, and they should take a lot of game knowledge and deliberate effort, and ideally, every class should be able to contribute to things like this when used right.
Jackson Butler
I like how the implication here is that nothing in PoE is unique because you can’t curbstomp encounters with readily available options and have to actually optimize.
Luis Butler
to be fair, her personality should have scared sensible people off from pursuing her by that point
James Adams
it was janky ass garbage that gets held up as perfect because the writing was semi-competent like every other piece of shit obsidian's ever made.
Thomas Lee
New Vegas
Jason Barnes
>janky ass garbage Actually, why doesn't some polished AAA developer just hire Chris Avellone now that he's gone freelance? Sort of what Dying Light 2 is doing now, I guess, but I'm thinking even bigger (like making him narrative lead on some Halo spin off or whatever). It's a win-win - he gets the budget for his ambitious ideas without the jank holding it back, the studio gets someone who can actually write worth a damn.
Xavier Roberts
He's a main writer on the new EA Jedi game.
Mason Carter
I heard he was involved, but I assumed he was just doing side content the same way it was on Prey/the dozen other things he's been involved in. If he's really playing a major part in the writing that's good. I doubt the other writers will let him go full KOTOR2 though
Jaxson Foster
>The original Deus Ex? Does it still hold up? Yes. You'll even find that a lot of its' plot points and themes are more relevant now than they were when it was released.
Bentley Roberts
JUST
Zachary Richardson
KEEP
Carter Howard
MY
Kayden Martinez
GOING
Brayden Torres
GOING
Anthony Sanders
*ignores advice from the hardcore fans*
*makes a game that bombs*
"Guys, you shouldn't pay much attention your your hardcore fans. The difficulty and writing of Deadfire are fine."
Jonathan Reyes
This. Hardcore fans pirate the games anyway.
Mason Gray
They didn't even try to pretend to listen to the grognards. They full on ignored the backer forums and discord.
Thomas Richardson
whats the chance obsidian does a capcom and does a 180
Michael Taylor
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Dominic Sanchez
Zero. The problem is management and the new blood writers. A lot of them can unironically be solid writers but they need a tight leash. Megan for example wrote Bleden Mark who was based in Tyranny but then she also wrote Xoti. Carrie Patel wrote Aloth minus romance in Pillars 1 and he was a bro. Then 2 added romance and she made him a twink who blushes at a male prostitute. Josh needed to do his job and control them. Instead he yells at people for not having enough gays and has his OC trans/nonbinary Birb girl.
Jordan Anderson
Xoti isn't too bad of a character. Turning her into a psycho slut is cool.
Michael Watson
>Megan Didn't she also write that one beast in Tranny?
Jaxon Bell
One issue with Deadfire is you have a lot of dialogue options but they all lead to the same response. >Eder: Are you okay Watcher? >Watcher: I'm not sure >Watcher: Absolutely >Watcher: [Lie] Yes >Watcher: Yes All of them lead to >Eder:Well now I'm worried
Oliver Evans
Fuck you Roguey!
Jordan Rivera
Yeah. My point was all these new bloods can be solid writers. But they need QC in order to not have shit come out. Xoti is 28 user. She acts like she's 16. I mean like guys we're literally on the hands of Gaun like right now! And when you make out with her? Fucking hell the description is too much.
Jonathan Ward
Oh no no no. Don't tell me you guys also go here. What ever happened to Safav? He hasn't posted in forever.
I hate how he meets Waidwen and doesn't ask him about Woden. Especially with how much of an autist he was about it in the first game. I remember reading management demanded the team have it so newcomers won't miss out in anything so they made the story as standalone as possible.
Gabriel Evans
I would be careful of exaggerating the degree to which Sawyer "admits the grognards were right all along!"
One thing he notably doesn't do in this talk is say the game's commercial failure had anything to do with ~balance~. In fact, he praises himself for removing overpowered builds quickly after launch.
He blames the unengaging story, he blames the ship combat, he blames the game being real-time instead of turn-based. He doesn't blame balance, or any of his changes to the D&D formula.
Charles Rogers
"Balance" and general combat mechanics are pretty much the only thing Deadfire does well though, so I'm not blaming him for the balancing either.
Cameron Hall
>"Look at our disgusting freak parade on display" >"If you say or think anything disrespectful of the freaks you will be reported and banned"
Why put the monkey in the cage if you don't want people to laugh?
Aside from the empower mechanic/power levels in general I also thought Deadfire had pretty decent combat mechanics. Needed better encounter design though (albeit it's already better than in the first game).
Alexander Richardson
Doesn't Sawyer hate romance. Why allow his team to hang around people who only care about gay romances
he's like 43 and rides his bike everyday id imagine, relax
Carter Peterson
That's a misunderstanding. He hates how romance has been done but he wanted Deadfire to do it right.
Cooper Wood
Why are so many of the RPG developers choosing the "Tell, don't show" route? Are they forgetting they're making fucking VIDEO GAMES where the visuals are the entire point of the medium?
Hudson Jenkins
I didn't like PoE but y'all are pathetic. This is culture war animus and you know it.
Samuel Roberts
Shut up and take 50 more books describing the cultures of Eora without ever getting to actually see any of their traditions, festivals etc in game.
Brody Myers
>14 yo girls are short, fat and have beards still legal in my country
Caleb King
whoa he said FUCK that's edgy!!!
Dominic Jenkins
Nothing I like more than reading ga fanfiction written by a bunch of female college drop-outs.
Landon Gonzalez
Sawyer. Gaider at least stands his ground, his hatred of dwarf lovin' is retarded but too many devs would cave in. There's another post where he goes on a rant about the people only interested in the different types of romances, and how romances make the game worse. He's low-key based.
Julian Walker
Turkey or Romania?
Anthony Stewart
gaider's point of view at least makes sense considering he's a gay man who loves tall hairless buff dudes
Also here have 12 more unique swords and sabers because those are the only weapons we care about.
Bentley Miller
Romance was a mistake. It made us have fewer companions and ended up being all shit. Change my mind.
Jonathan Murphy
>He's low-key based. And yet he insists on having that shit in every game he makes. He can claim he hates it but he still includes it. If he was "based" he would be putting his foot down instead of being such a weak faggot.
Evan Anderson
Romance in general is the least interesting form of fiction possible.
Logan Gutierrez
Voiced dialogue did infinitely more damage.
Matthew Sullivan
You got a link or screenshot of that
Oliver Reed
Isn't Sawyer that cuckold who stabbed a paying backer in the back to appease some twitter tranny mob?
Leo Gutierrez
When Obsidian's Rick and Morty game flops, will Yea Forums stop shilling their trash?
Ethan Martin
Maybe not. Josh once mentioned that the heads forced a word count they were unable to go above. and dude if you see the overcomplicated way they have the companion relationship shit work you'll see it's romance's fault.
Carson Parker
He is, the pictures of that have already been posted. Because the idea of a man being upset that the woman he likes isn't a woman at all is offensive somehow. Anything to appease the mentally ill trannies and their endless self-victimization, I guess.
Nathaniel Johnson
Yup. People always argue that obsidian gave that backer the choice but when the game dev comes up to you pretty much nobody will say "no". The backer even admitted to this.
Bentley Torres
>Josh once mentioned that the heads forced a word count they were unable to go above.
nani the fuck
Jack Martinez
And that exact fictional guy is still a step above (you)
Eli Ortiz
how is obsidian still alive after making so many bad games that don't even sell
Justin Parker
I'll try to find that interview but yeah. Basically Feargus and Co said Deadfire must be limited to X thousand words. Josh said they went above it twice and were unable to anymore. Any cut content is likely a result of that.
Thomas Howard
>He admits that he failed to realize that turn-based RPGs were now more popular than real-time-with-pause,
How is this still a valid complaint
God I fucking hate toddlers who can't handle RTWP
Oliver Cruz
They gave the backer the choice of "Money back or you write a new gravestone because one insane trannyman got offended by our lighthearted rhyme which was the only genuinely funny thing in our entire game".
James Young
hmm, sounds like it's VA-related.
Christian Fisher
there's a reason they had to make the microsoft deal.
Ryder Brooks
kickstarter
Hunter Green
RTWP is shit and gay and you are shit and gay if you like it.
Michael Barnes
rpg's are rooted in d&d where telling IS showing
Luke Butler
every rpg under the sun is like this. desu they can't make every dialogue tree branch in multiple directions so they can at least have options that would fit the type of character you are role-playing.
Brody Phillips
Everyone can plainly see that the genre began to suffer the moment they began with all the faggot and tranny shit. When a game becomes more about "representing" black disabled transexual diaperfur pedosexuals than story, gameplay or character building, then there's no reason to play. And that is why PoEII was a completely miserable wreck in every aspect.
Nolan Gomez
I liked DOS2 where the options were just *tell him that X* without describing how you were actually saying it.
Joseph Hernandez
And video games are rooted in books which is how stories primarily used to be told but we're not playing a fucking book, now are we? Sounds like you need to go back to your visual novels.
Ayden Long
At least pretend you played the game of you're gonna shitpost
Xavier Brooks
>THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE TYPE OF GAME, IF YOUR GAME HAS WORDS THEN THAT'S A BIG NO NO IT'S A VISUAL MEDIUM SO GIVE ME MOVIES! You are an embarrassment to everyone you know
Blake Cook
>Yea Forums says sawyer is based >walk over to his twitter to see for myself
>Angry man: We did as you asked, now you have to let her go! >Yeah sure, I don't need her any more. >Sure thing, buddy [Shoot the prisoner] >Not until you tell me what you're offering for her. >No, I've grown too attached and I need her to carry my shit. >You can try to take her from me, if you think you can. >I don't think she'll want to leave.
Matthew Allen
New thread
Jason Nguyen
Because PoE 1 actually sells
Connor Gonzalez
>He smugly tweeted from his iphone, assembled by children in India Oof Mr. Saywer, oof.
David Harris
i too hate whitey and want them all exterminated
Luke Hughes
Safav deleted his account.
Owen Wood
No doubt about that, imagine being such a bitter loser- that other bitter losers make you insecure
