You can’t make a game about Superman, he’s too powerful

Different scenario.

With Supes you run into the problem of him killing everybody, which is against the character, so your option is to use robots, but that's cliche and shitty.

He has a good rogues gallery to make a game around, it's just what you'll be doing between those encounters.

>that kryptonite level where a regular mook becomes a boss

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Just make the threats cosmic, you fly through galaxy etc

What if your "health bar" is actually Superman's approval rating, and the more he gets hit the more people realize he's a crummy pail of water?

DMC lead to that kind of thing because you actually have to put a lot of time into it in order to make that possible. The fun is the technical achievement, not being a god.

The same underlying logic that lead to Bamham should be applied to a Superman game.
In Bamham essentially everything is a puzzle. Predator sections, actual puzzles, taking down a group of enemies in one combo. Because Batman is all about preparation and being one step ahead.
Thus, the idea should be less about the feeling of power in and of itself or putting Superman in danger for the sake of drama, and more about helping people and standing up to threats with the amazing mobility and powerset. Translating that into video game is complex, but I would think it can be done.

>Looking up to any Marvel character in this year of 2000 and fucking 19

Millions of adult Americans do this every day.

tfw no good superman game

I blame the movies

Millions of adult Americans who don’t deserve to vote

If they were worried about Sherman's power they could have pulled some shit like superman vs alien

Just make a game about Hernan Guerras.
He's an anti hero so give him a morality system and that's it

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Adults

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They could make the game about objectives other than clear the lvl/ die.
>Save Lois Lane.
>Defend armored car as it makes its way to its destination
>Jimmy Olsen can't die when you are on a mission.
etc.

>Jimmy Olsen can't die when you are on a mission.
Oops!

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Could Superman beat Asura?

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Yes, easily.

Superman should be a "Jack of all trades, master of none"
instead DC is fucking retarded and he makes the whole justice league completely unnecessary.

>Plastic Man is the hero when you’re an adult.
fix´d

You're not an adult are you?

Unironically based.

>>By the way, have you seen my sick no damage Sin Devil Trigger Overdrive Quadruple SSS combo video? It completely obliterates enemies lel so damn fun

meanwhile Superman game
>press 1 button
>win
>dude i love being superman superman is so cool omg batman is for retards btw did i tell u about how superman is the best hero hes so epic

You mean MCU characters. Marvel characters have gone pants on head stupid with the whole hero vs hero fights. How pants on head stupid? The entirety of reality was ending and all Iron Man and Captain America could think of doing was killing each other.

DMC characters don't exceed that much in power and speed, they are inhumanly strong and fast, but not as much as to trow a truck over their heads, or run faster than a plane. The part where they actually exceed is fighting perception and sense.

But, there are other examples of videogame characters that can be strong and fast in big levels as well, the point that makes then good to be in videogames is the fact that they CAN'T FLY. Flying kills any sort of map tought and progression in a game, makes gameplay confusing, and demand excessive resources. If a Superman game is to be made, the one thing that needs to go is fucking flying.

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>a guy that can do everything chooses to do the right thing
>boring

I will never relate to this. People have been so poisoned by deconstructions and teardowns of the genre, people don't even understand what a superhero is anymore.

Superheroes are HEROES. Role models. Larger than life figures to look up to and admire. Not psychos and degenerates in garish outfits.

People are retards and don't realise challenge doesn't have to come from difficult enemies or even combat at all. In fact you don't strictly need challenge in a video game, sometimes a compelling narrative is enough.
I wanna play a superman game where he's planet cracking op as shit but your actions have consequences. You want to throw a bad guy through a mountain? Cool you can fling him into it so hard the whole mountain disappeares, but now you've seriously affected local climate and the tourist trade. Superman has problems like this in every day life see his world of cardboard speech from the Justice League cartoon.

Superman's best when paired up with enemies he can't beat with conventional methods.
See: Mr Mxyzptlk

yeah but see dante doesn't do all that in one move does he
also superman is boring and always will be go back to Yea Forums

Normal Supes? Nah. Supes Prime. Ye

Has a third person action game ever been built entirely around a character that can fly? I feel like that's never really been done before, at least not well.

>yeah but see dante doesn't do all that in one move does he

Superman has like a million different powers, the fuck are you even talking about

youtube.com/watch?v=2dM8sgbdVrQ

This guy nails it on the head. I mean, just take a look here, on Yea Forums, on Yea Forums. Thanks to the power of anonymity, we can represent ourselves in whatever way we want to be. Yet most of the time people on the board choose to represent themselves as shitposting faggots. Being an omnipotent asswipe? That's just your typical user turned into a comic book character.

>In fact you don't strictly need challenge in a video game, sometimes a compelling narrative is enough
I too enjoy good movies.

But when a videogame tries to sell itself with no gameplay, than it is just fucking garbage. A superman game with no gameplay would be automatically worse than 64 one, or the shitty one in arcades, because at least they have gameplay.

>>By the way, have you seen my sick no damage Sin Devil Trigger Overdrive Quadruple SSS combo video
If Superman was as fragile as non-cutscene Dante you might have an argument here.

This is not flying, this is just hoping in the enemy, reseting with JC, and tricking gravity to beg for seconds in the air.

I prefer Soviet Kal-El personally.

Also this is a legitimately great book and it doesn't take the concept on a one dimensional level. It's a legitimate take on what a soviet superman would actually be like, not just "soviet superman = bad superman".

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its got nothing to do with what he does. He is mary sue tier levels of power and only exists as deus ex machina.

You already show your complete ignorance of what a mary-sue is if you think it has absolutely anything to do with power level.

Doing the right thing is easy when you're powerful and have nothing to lose. There's nothing to it, you do it and finish the rest of your day. Struggling to do the right thing despite barely getting by is something else entirely.

Now read your post and you'll realize why he's boring.

When will we get a Karate Kid game?

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I didn't say no gameplay. Superman is a force of nature I think it would be fun just interacting with the environment.

I meant that his superpowers are boring. Powers are much more important for a videogame than his archetype or personality. Fuck off with your shitty superhero.

you are a brainlet

>Doing the right thing is easy when you're powerful and have nothing to lose.

Have you read a Superman comic?
Like literally a single one?

Could Superman beat Alucard at his strongest?

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Protags of action games have some of his superpowers though. Raiden, Dante, and Bayonetta all have super strength and super speed, and some of them even have fire/ice elemental weapons or weapons that shoot beams as projectiles. Dante can even fly in devil trigger.

so this is reading comprehension of superman fans

The problem with handling Superman as a hero is that technology has difficulty catching up to him.

Doing an 40's styled Superman where his power is moderated to only "extremely unbalanced" and setting the core gameplay loop as "respond to crisis, save civilians, chase down and defeat instigating threat" would probably work quite well. I specifically suggest the old 40's one because I think you could make a compelling game where you are intended to take advantage of the terrain not only to traverse, but to build momentum and power: Instead of "press X to catch falling airliner", it's dashing ahead to locate a good place to get altitude and momentum, as well as locating a good zone to put it down.

Regarding feel, we need to remember that Superman is the blue boyscout: He's certainly not fancy, but he's deliberate and level headed. Despite the power level shown, there really shouldn't be that much destruction until the fighting starts. Even so, his focus is always going to be on the people, which means an interesting case where you might get launched halfway across town right into a building, but Supes would land hard and take the incoming follow up rather than risk casualties.

Regarding durability: Supes doesn't need a health bar. It can be eschewed entirely. To apply pressure on the player, use scoring, time limits (sparingly) and optional objectives

Megaton Rainfall tried to use city damage as a health bar and it ended up being frustrating (Not that it helped that all your weapons have insane collateral damage)

Nah, Alucard's basically a form of magic and Superman gets kicked in the dick by magic

no truer words spoken by a villian

>Regarding durability: Supes doesn't need a health bar. It can be eschewed entirely. To apply pressure on the player, use scoring, time limits (sparingly) and optional objectives

>No health bar the entire game
>End boss shows up
>Health bar appears

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Childhood is reading Batman and Superman.
Adulthood is realizing The Question and Captain Marvel are the superior DC characters (formerly Charlton and Fawcett).

Plastic Man is the hero when you're a manchild who still thinks being edgy and different is the key to life.

>Look up to Spider-Man
>Get shot
Congratulations America.

In matters of being heroic, anyone who isn't an antihero sufices. The problem with superman isn't his personality, his personality is fine, but his power. He is too strong. It is hard to write villains that can give him trouble, and impossible to make videogames that makes justice to his abilities. Do I like Superman? No. And the reason to this is because I love myself a good underdog, fighting against the impossible with terrible odds and with sacrifice and willpower proving to others that he can do what's necessary, standing in victory covered in his own blood and sweat.

In displeased with Superman only stories just like I'm displeased with shitty isekais with OP protags: I usually don't even like to touch then. Had my share, enough to realize it is not my thing, and now I take distance. Does this have to do with Superman personality? No, it got to do with his powers. He is not my type of character.

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Yes. The good ones are those either nerf him down to just being regular superhero levels so he can struggle, or go the opposite end Silver Age style where the powers just facilitate a neat sci-fi story. All the ones where it's jerking off his "morality" and making him the strongest kid on the playground, like Kingdom Come and its ilk, are universally awful.

So how do you make a game with an invincible protagonist?

Simple - instead of a health bar, it's the overall "health" of Metro City. The challenge isn't trying not to die, it's trying to save as many people and buildings as possible using his superpowers, while fighting whatever threat arises during the missions.

For example, trying to save a crashing passenger jet would not be an easy task even for an invincible super strong demigod like Superman. Trying to complete missions with the lowest possible body count should be the difficulty of the game, not Superman's survival.

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Superman isn't weak to magic like he is kryptonite, he just isn't invulnerable to it.

>HURF I CANT SEE SUPERMAN BEATING THUGS IN THE STREET!

>Superman is too powerful to be made into a video game

Superman's power level has always been extremely variable. He literally got punched to death in the nineties. He doesn't have to be god mode Superman, just make playing as him feel awesome.

>He is too strong. It is hard to write villains that can give him trouble
Absolute brainlet

>scoring, time limits, optional objectives that fails the mission
>not insanely frustrating by default

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>DC writers had to be retarded for some reason.
He got the ability to fly from the old serials because of technical limitations

How to punish players whose avatar can't die, what would you use instead of a "you died" screen? Well, you'd instead punish them for allowing too many civilians to die. Maybe they get bad story outcomes or are locked out of certain content that requires a certain amount of citizens to survive the alien invasion (or whatever cataclysmic event) in one of the missions.

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Nigga it's ALUCARD. If Supes isn't invulnerable to Alucard then he's going to get fucked by Alucard unless he can somehow outsmart him.

You are a braindead retard if you ever felt that Superman was in odds of losing instead of just pretending, whenever he was fighting anyone that wasn't doomsday or darkseid.

Close, but

>Fighting end boss
>Move in for your first strike, get blindsided by an attack.
>Supes comes up bloody, health indicator comes up.

>Strike back; Boss doesn't get a health bar, Supes visibly unnerved.

>First phase ends when Supe's health hits zero. Supes gets back up and you get a sizable improvement to the power of your moveset as he cuts loose between desperation and resolve.

>Invulnerable during this phase as you get used to the tweaked power of your moveset. When you finish this stage, both the boss and Supes are knocked down and struggle to get back to their feet.

>Health bars appear for both Supes and the Boss. Phase three is for all the marbles.

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The same can literally be said of every other comic book character in DC or Marvel because the good guy always triumphs and death has no permanence.

All told, the issue to me is that a good Superman game is a good open world game. Which is already hard enough, even without a flying character.
Open world will always feel empty or repetitive, and morality systems are just too manichean to matter.
In a way, I could see a game use real time as a measurement. You don't fail optional missions, you just did not make it there. Sure you will have discontents but its not a meter. Its just a fact. It would have to be measured in more subtle ways, such as the overall state of the city, NPC interactions, and maybe pieces of dialogue. But in a way that does not change the game, just the feeling. The same way there was a story where the Fortress of Solitude has a room that contains every letter he receives, both the thanks and those asking why he did not help.
Even plot critical missions could have an element of timing to them. When you do the, do you first do reconnaissance as Clark Kent or not, do you blow the whistle rather than going in. Obviously the risk here is just to create a timing that is too lenient or not enough. Even more with efficient traversal. Which is obviously why the Rocksteady games happen over the course of a night, the element of urgency is implied but not measurable.

At the end of the day yeah, the technology to make a living, breathing, meaningful world is probably not there yet.

Too bad he is only in 1 comic.

>brainlet unironically believes fictional stories about a man who can fly are things that actually happened in real life subject to the whims of chance

You misunderstood me, If I was designing the game, I would never give a game over screen.

Supes is, at his core, about how being the most powerful man in the world doesn't make you above the rest: Supes may be virtually impossible to kill, but he's brought low by the same things that drop us.

If I did a Superman game, I'd go full Pyre: You could literally fail every optional objective in the entire game and still get an ending. Not even a "bad" ending; but a different one.

Most of Superman's villains are stronger than him (or have an unfair advantage in the case of guys like Metallo and Parasite).

Are people under the impression that Superman constantly punches down? A world in which Superman exists has Superman-sized threats.

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At least they are suffering physical pain and harm, feeling fear, and doubting their own capacity, instead of just pretending to be weak to make the issue longer.

You do know there's always a giant chance of the MC winning whenever you are consuming something, but the road to the end is what makes it interesting. With superman that isn't the case, whenever he gets into a """pinch""" you only get yor disbelief suspended because you know he could end it with a single punch if he wanted to.

Supes is much faster than Alucard. What's Alucard going to do if supes pushes the whole planet into the sun before Alucard can even think?

As per usual you are all too retarded and casual to understand why and how Superman works. Superman works because he's always just strong enough to feel powerful without being too strong to feel invincible. The exact level that puts him at varies from moment to moment. It could be that he's weak enough to fear a Tank shell, it could be that you'd need a nuke to put him down or it could be that he can survive a planet buster. It all depends on the narrative.

tl;dr adapt Morrison's Nu52 Action Comics run you mouthbreathers

Let's imagine two stories. In story A, a man fights an attacking grizzly bear. In story B, a man fights an attacking lobster. In both cases, the outcome is determined by the writer, but in the moment, which "feels" most dangerous to the reader?

>At least they are suffering physical pain and harm, feeling fear, and doubting their own capacity, instead of just pretending to be weak to make the issue longer.
Confirmed for never reading a Superman comic in his life.

Yeah would be kino

He's too pure for this world which presumably is why he had to come from a different one.

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I am usually the kind of player who likes to bully NPCs, passed the whole Spiderman game trying to find ways to hurt people and got disappointed with the few ones there were. That shit is really unfunny and doesn't sold me even into playin the DLCs, I just sold the game.

In a superman game designed by you, would you let the player have freedom of gameplay, even if it broke the expectation on the character? I don't care about bad endings, I got what I asked for, and usually good endings are the worst ones anyway.

To make his battles interesting you have to limit his power.
But at that point he isn't really Superman.
Writers just make him as powerful as they want him to be or they just harp on the same weaknesses over and over.
What needs to be made is a Super BOY game.
A half-breed like Dante.
Very 90s idea of cool.
Make it so he can't fly.
Give him a transformation he can trigger that makes him more alien.
That could be a game.

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Yeah, but they all have a lot of different styles and weapons to choose from, they all feel unique.

They're exactly as dangerous as the writer portrays you simian retard. A fake bear is not dangerous because it's a bear, it's dangerous because it's an obstacle that the writer has placed in the narrative. In scenario one the man has a flamethrower, in scenario two the man is 200m underwater and the lobster has cut his scuba tube. Now which is more dangerous?

I have read many, and the only thing that comes to my mind when seeing superman playing the wimp character is: "what a fag, he could literally end this in the next page if he wanted". He is too strong to play the underdog, and too strong to get easily beaten to the ground.

Also, there's nothing more annoying than the "I got beaten by the guy while almost not reacting at all, but now that I am MOTIVATED, I beated him easily while at the same time posing with my arms crossed and making a speech".

Superman isn't good. At least 90% of his stories are shit.
Here is the math.
There are over 1000 issues of Action Comica. No more than 100 issues are good. Leaving 90% as shit.

No you haven't because if you had you'd know that never happens.

>Superman is the hero when you’re a child.
>Batman is the hero when you’re a teenager.
>Superman is the hero when you’re an adult.
I can surprisingly relate with this.

KEK, now you are playing the retard on purpose.

Name a superman comic you've read involving the scenario you've outlined. Actually name 10.

>I love myself a good underdog

Oh fuck off. This is the most bullshit answer people give, especially when it comes to someone like Superman. People like winners, and you do too. You like the underdog because he wins in the end, except in real life everyone shits on the loser. There are no underdogs in movies, games and comics because they always win, besides a few exceptions
Superman hasn't been about his powers in a long time, and nobody who tries to apply it to movies or games gets that.

This guy gets it

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Superman game will just be like spiderman game with cheat mode

Herein lies the issue: How does Superman bully? It's not like in GTA where the civvies fight back, or in Prototype where they're a resource.

The best way I can think of doing it is making a large enough Metropolis that you can always find thugs to bully. I was even thinking that there should be a set of encounters that spawn like a collectible system without orb hunting.

I also think that it would help to give some options to the player in how to handle his objectives, including some amount of super-dickery. There's no reason you couldn't interrogate a Luthor goon by bringing him to the police like an upstanding citizen, or by giving him a gravity check off the Daily Planet: one red blur later, and he desperately wants to talk.

But I will admit, it's a problem with translating him to a game that his temperament is not conducive to going wild. Perhaps the game should include open-world enemy locations where Supes can bully bad guys like in other open world games.

Yeah in a sandbox scenario it would be better if it was set before he decided to become a hero. That way its free for the player to interact with the environment how they see fit and explore the consequences. That or an else world story like red sun.

That's just Sturgeon's law in action.

Name a genre that breaks 50% on "Good game, bad game" ratio.

What a dumb comparison.

Dark Void

Metroidvania has literally zero bad games.

The bamham games solved this problem by basically removing good civilians from the map and filling it with goons instead.

It's not a perfect solution but they made it work in-story so I guess it checked out.

Alucard is omnipresent, Supes has no way of getting rid of him. Offensively he's not anywhere near the height of power level. But, defensively, even Flash can't kill him. Can he pummel him into a pulp/cloud of mystery meat and blood for eternity? Sure, but he'll still not die. You need a reality manipulating tier bullshit to deal with him.

Superman isn't about fights and villains
Now gimme sauce on that anime

Underdogs aren't winners, they are the losers who with effort and sacrifice become winners. This is the point of their stories, they don't begin already being superpowerful, their arcs are about overcoming challenges. In a story arc with beggining, middle and end, they are the best ones, because they have real struggle to achieve what they desire, instead of just arriving and taking it.

Being an underdog is not about losing or winning in the end, but coming from a situation of disadvantage and working to it's best to overcome difficulties. Underdogs are far from being losers, maybe they are at the beginning, but that changes in the story arc. Educate yourself, my dear retard.

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Sure, if a writer modifies the scenario theoretically anything could be dangerous. You could make a man fighting a road cone "dangerous" if you wanted by modifying the scenario. That's not what I asked. I asked which the audience is going to "feel" is more dangerous in the moment-to-moment of reading a story.

Outside of a surrealist environment where a road cone could pose a legitimate threat, the audience is not going to take that seriously. It doesn't matter how dangerous it actually is, only how dangerous the narrative feels. Due to power inflation, no threats feel dangerous to Superman the way they feel dangerous to say Spider-Man.

You don't play enough Metroidvania; it's modern shovelware at this point.

Even if you ignore the glut, are you going to ignore the original Ys III or the WiiWare Blaster Master?

This post contradicts itself so many time it might have been made by Hillary Clinton.

Saint Seiya.

Watch only the original series because the other ones, all of then, are garbage. Hell, even the original one is, the last season had awful animation because the author was a faggot who picked fights with the studio. Just read the manga, the manga is actually great.

I'm not sure that what makes superman different from any other dude that has superpowers would translate into a game in a way that makes it more fun to play

Decades of batfags is the answer to this. Notice how nobody ever says this about any other superhero as strong as Superman despite there being dozens of high profile ones.

One punch man is super man but written much better and with way more depth. DC never comes to terms with how bullshit powerful he is and elaborates on what it will actually do to the mental state of a person.

Superman moveset is generic and not fun to play with.

God I fucking hate all the simps that never read a comic book in their life that say Superman is unrelatable because hes too powerful. They are just regurgitating some shit they heard from other sources like "Aquaman is weak lol" "Batman can beat anyone" and "Carol Danvers has a huge fanbase"

He hasent been wildly OP since the early 1970s and even then EVERY major DC character from Captain Marvel to Wonder Woman Captain Atom [Literally Dr.Manhattan without deconstruction autism] to Uncle Sam could throw planets and travel time at will. Of course after that in COIE ALL feats were kept in check and juggling planets traveling through time and other such cosmic feats just dont happen as the norm anymore

>Sure, if a writer modifies the scenario theoretically anything could be dangerous.
>I asked which the audience is going to "feel" is more dangerous in the moment-to-moment of reading a story.
>It doesn't matter how dangerous it actually is, only how dangerous the narrative feels.

yikes my dude

If superman hurts his daughter? No. In any other case Asura just wouldn't care enough.

And so the animefag reveals himself.

>What is world of cardboard
it's simple, you control a superman before the formation of the justice league, your attacks deal a certain amount of damage and "beaten up" to your bad guys before you need to catch them (leave them hanging off a tree, tie them up with some metal) and leave them for the police to handle. you yourself aren't always at risk as much as the world around you is, including the pedestrians, and the thugs you're fighting. kill a thug? game over, needlessly burst through a building? consider a permanent penalty to your playthrough of metropolis. to make a superman game, you must play the role of a hero. which goes against what gamers want, you're not playing a power fantasy, you can and not give a shit (assume the permanent penalty mentioned earlier is just negative karma/evil superman run) and maybe at that point you might even run the risk of other heroes running in to stop you from being any more of a jerk than you already are.

this is the best way to translate superman into a game, it's just not the one people here on Yea Forums want to hear because it's not what they want.

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some write fag make an award wining story about a traffic cone please

>his superpowers are boring.
Ice Breath, Heat Vision, super strength, flight, super speed, Super vision, throwing his fucking S, reality busting, ect.. In terms of gameplay he has near infinite potential. It's just unfortunate that most developers don't understand what makes for good gameplay these days

>thinking reading a character in a comic book being OP is the same as you playing the character in a video game that's OP
autism

>"put name here" can beat superman
oh boy here we go again

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>Carol Danvers has a huge fanbase
Well she kind of does nowadays.

Hell no. Recently I played this one, and it is fucking awful.

>scenarios overly long, very very beyond reasonable. 90% of the game is just running forward because of it, it gave me the impression they made shit like this just so the game would be long enough to not be refundable after you finish it jokes on then, I refunded anyway because this was a fucking sin of design
>overly easy

I don't understand why this have a 10/10 on Steam. Are people this fucking stupid? The thing I remember from this game the most, is just walking, walking, walking. If the scenarions were 1/10 the size it could have been good.

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How many other characters get things like this? And if your answer is "the Flash", he has the exact same problem where fanboys and fanboy authors pump up his power level then whine when anyone says they're overpowered.

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Am I the only one here who enjoyed he STAS based celshaded superman game?

The Flash, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Shazam/Captain Marvel and last but not least Batman himself.

Spiderman dodges lightning makes dodging gunfire a joke and is basically a lower level speedster that all normal humans fighting him would be moving in slow motion. You combine that with the equivalent strength of a speeding 10 semi that could reduce a normal human to a red mist and very little could actually realistically challenge him

Then you play vidya with him and regular thugs fight him like hes some guy in pajamas with slick ninja moves not something thats physically superior to charging elephant

What is he about to tell Supes?

This whole reason is why I suggested the 40's Supes.

He can't fly. When they say "Leaps tall buildings in a single bound"; they mean it.

When he tries to stop a falling super-bomber, he is initially repelled, bounces back off a skyscraper and gives it another shove, picking up just enough momentum to hoist it just as he catches his footing on the ground.

Supes should be exactly where he is used as a narrative tool: He's second best at everything, and often times, that's better than being the first.

Versatility is key. From a design standpoint, Mario only has one move.

Making a good Superman is going to be about combining traversal, rescue and combat into the same setup: Make Supes move well and shift into actions seamlessly.

The Superman fantasy is going to be served best when the player can swoop in, shore up a falling girder and virtually bounce off of it to land a solid haymaker to Metallo's jaw.

when dealing with supervillains, you have a score meter tied to how much damage you cause and the villain causes to the city

we go back to the arcade routes and make the game about getting the highest score---which means being the most heroic, in a controlled manner

Hes also on super-sun-steroids and about to die from it in that story. Choose better user

Or, and I know this might shock you, you can tailor his power level to what you want him to fight.

The people who mindlessly trash Superman are usually millennials who wank to Marvel and their trademark nauseating self-aware irony, or just smelly weebs that unironically like horrible franchises like DBZ.

Superman is unironically a much more relatable and human character than fucking Goku or Deadpool.
Fuck Goku and fuck Deadpool.

That their diagnosis points to Superman dying. By the end of the story the diagnosis is wrong though, he wasn't dying, he was turning into a being of pure energy.

That he's dying because he got rad poisoned by the Sun when he saved a rocketship as part of a scheme set up by Luthor to finally kill his arch nemesis. Oh, whoops, were we not meant to mention that part?

He has supercancer. Take a wild guess if it actually hurts him or if it's used as another excuse to hype him up.

His power isn't the problem. The problem is that he is a boring Mary Sue character. It's impossible to make media with him that is actually engaging and interesting.

One punch man only works because Saitama is a foreign element in it's own story, most of the bits don't work around him, and when he is not in the scenes just to save someone after not showing his face for lots of issues, the tone is usually comedy.

That can't be done with Superman, his stories actually work around him. For that to be done they would need to put more than half of the effort in the secondary cast and their own arcs, with their stories developing without Supes interference, and he only showing his face when the odds of the heroes winning approach impossibility.

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>Batgirl shows up in a game
>it's always Barbara, we never get best girl Cassandra Cain
why is this allowed?

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The real problem is that because of his rep as being "unrelatable" he rarely gets good writers anymore and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. You just dont get guys like Alan Moore writing him and when he finally does get a story that should let him shine editorial mandate often forces it to be shitty so they can shill more Batman underoos

Social politeness means you let disabled people go first.

>>I never read a Alan Moore Superman
>>Aw hell I never read any Superman but Im an expert because I read Seanbabys site in 2006

Feel free to mention it, since it's completely irrelevant to what actually happens (see ).

>don't use the story constantly brought up as Quintessential Superman to define Superman
Okay user, have this one instead.

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this is spot on.

Helsing is a strange series to power level fag about holy shit fuck off you goddamn 12 year old

Nu52 is worse cancer than the Sun-Cancer he got in the other one

>have Cassandra Cain appears in a movie

>she will be portrayed by the ugliest round faced chink they could find, instead of a cute hapa

Some true monkey pawn shit.

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Have sex

It's entirely relevant you mouth breather because the story is not about his power level. Grant Morrison goes out of his way to set up that Superman, in this instance as a result of the rad poisoning is a ticking time bomb. The central conceit of the narrative - and why it serves as the Quintessential Superman - is not how hard he can punch, it's whether he can find acceptance within himself for his own impending demise. Whether he actually dies in the end or ascends from earth to never be seen again is a pedantic irrelevancy - Superman at the end of the story is gone for good, having completed his epic.

I'm not sure if you're getting this, so I'm going to put it to you straight.

If we operate under the assumption that 90% of superman is shit; we're going to want to adapt the good part.

One of the advantages of writing a hero for approaching a century is that we've got more than enough material to play with.

The point of the character is to self insert and feel awesome about yourself because you are so much better than everybody else around you. It's even in the name of the character: He isn't just a man, he is a "super man". It's for the kind of people who have little creativity and imagination and who spend their time fantasizing about getting handed awards or protecting a girl from a manlet mugger who breaks his fist on your chiseled chin. Capeshit is so pretentious and dumb and superman is the worst capeshit there is.

i'd change it up depending on the villain, thugs being a tricky thing to deal with as soon as they get on the highway especially when it comes to collateral damage.

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>>Little creativity
>>Cant imagine a good story with a powerful character
>>Probably hasent read Sandman either

Fucking pleb

based retard

Not that user but nothing you said here is even remotely true.

Ah yes, that's why you spend all your time on the video game board, a medium that is definitely not all about self inserting.

Now THAT is a relatable realistic Superman for the modern reader! no juvenile power fantasy but gritty realism for the advanced minds of today. Say what villain was he up against in this modern day epic?

The problem is that Superman fans like and define the character by those horrible stories and consider the well-written ones boring. Any game that adapts good material will piss off Superman fans, while a game that gives them the Superman they want would barely be a game, just a screen that says "you win!"

if you didnt have anything meaningful to contribute to my post how did you justify responding to me?

>gets to be oracle
>everytime they need a Batgirl it's either in the past or paralysis just gets retconned away(like in Injustice)

The Joker is the hero when you open finally your eyes

You want to say "Twin clones of Adolf Hitler" as much as I do. Admit it

Let's go back and have a look at what I actually wrote:
>His power isn't the problem. The problem is that he is a boring Mary Sue character.
"The power isn't the problem" means that it doesn't matter that he is a powerful character. The problem is that he is a Mary Sue and that is boring. Good characeters in a well written story have an arc where they develop and change. Superman is just perfect and always does what is right and that's it. His only """conflicts""" are "oh I have so much responsibility and I am so important and awesome...sigh oh well I can handle it because I'm fucking superman" and "the girl I love also loves me back but I still have to do my job...oh god how horrible!"

btw: Why do I have to coach you through reading simple English sentences? Improve your reading comprehension, honey.

awww is baby getting emotional?

>(Not that it helped that all your weapons have insane collateral damage)
It was so fucking annoying. You couldn't directly attack a bad guy with punches or anything precise. You had to use the huge ass hand blasts.

based retard

It's about escaping reality by diving into interesting worlds with interesting characters and events. Watching Mr. Perfect being perfect is just boring.

i wanted you to say that he'd make a good bonus boss

Around the time we get an Iron Fist game.

>Flash can't kill him
Speedforce is bullshit he probably can

The problem with the character is that they don't struggle and fail, and even a terminal disease is just ascending to godhood in disguise.

I see that after I schooled you, you had no rebuttal, so instead of admitting it, you throw around silly little name insults as if anybody on Yea Forums would really get insulted by that stuff. Sad.

Zack Snyder is one of the few good guys left in the movie industry if we're being honest. I always hated how all this comic book shit is such sanitized kiddy shit. Like what if Spider-Man was a pedophile? Now we're looking at something raw, real and provocative. He saves the city but he also abuses children. It has ambiguity.

t. hasn't read ASS

While I am 100% in agreement with your point and disappointment, let me throw out a theory.
Not enough non-comic people know who Cassy is, so they have to use Barbara which then creates a positive feedback loop for Barbara because she'll continue to get used because people know her increasing her place in the minds of people continuing the cycle.
The only way to actually break it is to deliberately put Cassy in and continue to do it regardless of the downfall at the beginning since eventually people will start to associate her with Batgirl due to exposure.
Given Oracle exists, there is no reason not to have both girls in the popular media as fully realized characters.

Wow I rarely encounter somebody that is both stupid and convinced they are an expert on a subject they have never heard anything but tertiary info about

Supermans conflicts range from dealing with being an inhuman immigrant that is alienated from humanity dealing with the unrealistic picture everyone has of him as a Godlike being despite at heart being a small town Kansas farmboy or dealing with guys like Darksied Amazo or Despero that actually can beat him in a fist fight

You stupid insipid dumbfuck

maybe we could get lucky and get a cute asian girl...

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>Marvel characters just in general are your heroes when you’re an adult.
The only good Marvel character is SPIDER-MAN. While Supes has to deal with bullshit hax shit like speedsters and Lanterns, Spidey has to deal with edgy-Superman clones and generic cosmic dude #019482948×01495. Both Superman and Spider-Man are tied for the #1 hero spot with Batman at #2, but Eddie Brock's legendary rivalry with Peter Parker also involves Clark Kent.

>pic related
That is a real fight. No Superman clones who are vastly inferior to the real deal, no cosmic characters that people will forget within the next day, no overpowered speedsters who are even more ridiculous than Superman, and no Lantern users who can do whatever the fuck they want. It's just two legendary men teaming up against Eddie Brock. It's kino.

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>Like what if Spider-Man was a pedophile?
Literally the plot of Spiderman 3. Raimi already did it, user. Keep up.

It would unironically be kino.

based retard

>Underdogs aren't winners, they are the losers who with effort and sacrifice become winners.
That's rather circular logic.

>asian lesbians

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OR we could just pick a decent character instead of bothering with this boring one. The reason why virtually all his stories are shit is because he as a character is shit. In order to make a good story with him, you have to create circumstances that are interesting enough to make us forget about how dull the MC is.

Or make it something you build up to, Crackdown style.

That way when you are the invincible god superman at the end it feels earned.

Shame that nothing ever actually happens in those Marvel vs DC comics.

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The story arc is about the travel. In a story with a underdog you see his struggling and effort to do what is necessary, while one with an overly OP character you just see him breeze trough problems.

Soiderman has the same problem as Superman. He rarely gets good stories anymore because hes such a big name that they just let him coast on mediocrity. He actually gets it worse as virtually every Spiderman story for the last two decades has been an unmitigated disaster

also how in the hell does Brock match Superman? Were the writers just high on the same shit that let Wolverine with bone claws cut down Lobo or was there a reasonable explanation?

In Superman Vs X Character discussions you get Superman fans posting these sorts of pages saying that Superman is more than infinity and he can beat Your Character whoever he is. But if someone calls Superman overpowered you get Superman fans claiming those pages are incorrect and/or stupid, that's not the REAL Superman, he's not OP.

Which is it?

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>"Carol Danvers has a huge fanbase"
This would have been true ten years ago. Back when Carol and Power Girl shared the same niche as fap bait.

That's kinda hot

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Every Superhero discussion is filled with guys like the one retarded that keeps saying Superman is a bad mary sue. Its packed with idiots that dont actually read or understand comics that cherry pick feats without context. So they conviently forget the time Wolverines claws bounced off the Things skin as he beat him down and love bringing up the time he maimed the thing as proof he could kill the whole F4

Have you considered that the Superman 'fans' in Superman vs X threads are actually just salty retards who think he's too strong and so try to make him boring in everything he does?

>don't use the story constantly brought up as Quintessential Superman to define Superman
Not his power level, because the whole point of the comic is that he's getting too strong and it's killing him.

Then he goes into the sun and becomes Superman one million anyways.

The best part is that the scientist is Lex Luthor from the future.

>the unrealistic picture everyone has of him as a Godlike being despite at heart being a small town Kansas farmboy
No he is not. He is that unrealistic being. Whenever he bitches and cries about that stuff, he is briefly out of character and the "resolve" is to return to just dealing with it and being mr. super-duper-suck-my-cock-and-build-me-a-statue-cause-I'm-so-awesome-man. If he actually was flawed in various ways, i.e. by being irresponsible, selfish, cruel etc., then he could be a little interesting. But writers only have him display these things briefly and then he returns to his old self as if nothing happens. The implication is that these things are buried deep inside him. Why? So he doesn't actually have to be a consistent character.
>dealing with guys like Darksied Amazo or Despero that actually can beat him in a fist fight
"strong man punches other strong man" wow such a compelling narrative

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wow are you really this dense or are you just pretending?

Carol was a good character when she had the thighhighs, Carol was a good character when she became the X-Men's little buddy with no powers, Carol was even a good character when she put on the back and white striped leotard. Then Janet Van Dyne got killed and the turbocunt force lost containment, flowing into Carol. Then Carol stole a man's name got a dyke haircut started wearing mechanic coveralls and treating all her friends like shit.

>The only good Marvel character WAS spider-man

Spidey has been ruined since they took the frustrated angry incel out of him. Modern Spidey is non-threatening "adorkable" bullshit.

Both. Superman isn't consistent. The default is "strong man" and with that different capeshit writers mold different capeshit stories. Superman is whatever the writer requires him to be at the moment. In one story, his farts destroy galaxies because something something. In another, he struggles stopping a train.

>frustrated angry incel
Literally only in his first appearance, dumb nigger.

SO fat stupid autisit piggy would you give me an example of the sterling picture of great characters you are supporting over this archaic ideal that is Superman?

I know you cant but I wanna see you squirm before I write you off

If by first appearance you mean up till he meets Gwen Stacy, sure. And then after she dies for awhile.

Spiderman always had that edgy of frustration and bitterness to him. But it's not there anymore.

It really was Bendis getting ahold of her and Marvel deciding she could be the Marvel Wonder Woman. If he didnt fap to her 1970s Spiderwoman and Luke Cage as a kid they never would have been in a significant story again

Flawed character or role model to look up to, it doesn't matter. He's not interesting. Never understood why capeshit was so popular.

>Like what if Spider-Man was a pedophile
Didn't Pete get kiddy fiddled by an old man? It wouldn't make much sense for him to be a peadophilia when he was a victim of such act

>I wanna see you squirm
Do you think talking like that makes you look cool, user? Talk like an adult instead of an autistic anime character and maybe people will take you more seriously.

This is true for me

>>I dont actually read comics or understand them
>>Im totally an expert

T

Capeshit is popular for the same reason vidya is popular.

>It wouldn't make much sense for him to be a peadophilia when he was a victim of such act
You'd be surprised, it's actually a big problem and a viscous cycle. Look into the gay community and pedophilia some time.

>Marvel
No dude. No.
Spiderman and xmen are the only ones that get a pass. That's it. The movies are funny though

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When people say Superman is too powerful, what they're actually saying is "the villains I want him to fight are too weak".

Anyone who legitimately think Superman is too powerful and can't tell stories or make a game around him is an unimaginative moron.

Unironically based

Bendis ruins everything he touches. Look at what he did with Superman's son.

Superman is shit, I can't believe people don't think a retard in pajamas could be good

>capeshit
>mary sue capeshit
kill you're self.

The quickest way of showing the "Superman is a role model" thing is total nonsense is engaging any Superman fan in any debate.

Notice nobody ever complains about Captain Atom or Billy Batson being too powerful.

Its almost like idiots that dont read comics regurgitate things they heard on the internet and probably still think Aquaman cant do anything but talk to fish

Just make everything kryptonite powered. Superman will literally just be a dying person trying to fight superpowered goons. It'll be the dark souls of dc games.

>Notice nobody ever complains about Captain Atom or Billy Batson being too powerful.
Probably because they don't get shilled anywhere near as often by the companies or by fans.

Superman
>not as wholesome as Captain America
>not as interesting as Batman
>not as relateable as Spider-Man
>not as badass as Wolverine
>not as fun as Iron Man

That said, 1978 Christopher Reeves Superman is one of the best capeshit movies ever

You arent wrong but the point I wanna make is that there are plenty of characters up in that tier of power with him both hero and villian. The idea that characters that are too powerful cant have good stories should have died with Sandman 30 years ago as well

>parasite
what is he up too right now

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Imagine not liking Supes

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>superman is just a country boy at heart
Where is the dip spitting monster drinking superman who spends his weekends at the shooting range or fishing then?

Superman's origin is cool but his powers are thematically all over the place

If he was simply "flying strong man" I'd be cool with it

Prepare for the nitpicking

>>Cap is fine
>>Batman is written as a one dimensional boring character much more than Superman over the last efw decades
>>Spiderman is more often written as a whiny teenager despite being in his 30s ib4 we relate to that
>>Wolverine hasent been good in a long time and it makes me sad
>>Before RDjr Ironman was a one dimensional character that once had a story about him drinking one month in the 70s

why didn't he fuck all the cheerleaders with his superdick, accidentally knock them up and have to use his sonar pulse wave ability to give them all abortions

nice reddit spacing you got there. there are like a million interesting characters so I don't get what you think is hard about naming some: Ivan Karamazov, Sebastiao Rodrigues, Kafka Tamura, Shotaro Kaneda, Fight Club's narrator, Senua, Kaiji, Dr. Tenma, Roderic Schuchar etc.

But hell, even relatively mediocre characters like Squall, Arthas Menethil, Nathan Drake, Pierre Niemans, Chloe Price, Kara, James from Silent Hill 2, le Bamtan. Joel/Ellie or even Erect Cock aka Solid Snake are far more interesting and engaging that super duper man.

Gods and Monsters was such a great film. I really cared about that incarnation of Superman. Based zod rape baby.

>that universe's fucked up version of Brainiac who was just a kid the government experimented on but the kid couldn't control it so he literally asked Superman to kill him

Overman vidya when?

I can tell you only watch the movies.
>Cap and Supes are very similar
>Batman is boring as fuck and actually does have the 'unbeatable' problem people assign to Superman
>Spider-Man hasn't been relatable in years because they've made him an utter inoffensive wussbag
>Up to debate, but Superman is one of the big DC heroes who will kill if he needs to
>Who the fuck finds Iron man fun

So your a pretentious asshole who pretends to like classic literature and is really just bitching about "Capeshit" because you hate that its popular.What a fucking faggot no wonder you like Fight Club

Hmmm ok

By that definition so is every other hero you incel

The game I want to see that will never be made because nobody would want to play it has multiple difficulty levels that all have their own separate story. Essentially every mode is a different Superman issue.
Easy would be Silver Age tier and mostly concerned about telling a story while fighting small fries and simple enemies.
Hard would be fighting the likes of Darkseid and having to deal with difficult threats with demanding gameplay.
Normal would be a more basic open world with bosses and petty crimes to fight.
Each mode would end with its own open world version of Metropolis and different easter eggs, characters to talk to and events to deal with. Also collectibles.
There would be a different, Clark Kent focused, mode that explores the more human side of the character, much more linear and about using the superpowers in more subtle ways.
Possibly this would lead to unlocking new pages for the difficulties and new content and bosses.
Every open world would allow the player to go around to the Fortress of solitude and space.
There would be also be a deliberately annoying mechanic where the longer you dick around in any open world, the louder the cries for help become, until it replaces every sound and the screen becomes filled with markers leading to the nearest crime in progress you have to deal with. Or you can just go to space to reset it. But every time you reset the timer it becomes shorter.

But now imagine if Superman were treated the same way Morpheus was in Sandman. He's a conventional protagonist when he's at his weak in his first few issues. But once he gets his power back, the focus of the stories pull away from him specifically and almost use him as a framing device. Consider the first time he goes to Hell, where the focus is on him going in and figuring out a way of getting out. The next time, he's almost an observer commenting on Lucifer's internal emotional state and the drama of closing Hell. He's weaved in and out of various other stories, affecting some very strongly and some weakly, but much more rarely as a conventional protagonist. Same thing happens with Miracleman, for example. Once he gets to godlike power where he can't really be opposed, the superheroics all stop and the focus shifts to society reacting to him and him shaping it. It's a different kind of story.

It's almost similar to how OPM works, already mentioned in this thread. There's a reason that model is so popular: actually following someone that powerful as a conventional protagonist means it's really easy to slip into Chinese web novel territory where nothing matters but sucking off that protagonist as much as possible. Sure, some Superman fans want that, but it isn't very compelling to read.

Are you basing your opinions on comics or movies

Is Angry Joe secretly in this thread?

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Shit man some of my favorite memories of DCUO was just wandering around Metropolis or the Watchtower and doing small things like talking a jumper off a ledge or stopping small crimes. Too bad it turns into WOW after the initial story mode finished

superman is for fags

Superman is the hero when you’re a child.
Batman is the hero when you’re a teenager.
Guy Gardner is the hero when you’re an adult.

Hes for everyone son. You me the gays the straights blacks whites greens. Everyone

Did Guy ever shave his ass or what?

No.

Both, but comics mostly.

I haven't watched an MCU flick since Dr Strange.

Why stopped Daredevil from becoming a legitimate A-lister akin to Superman or Spidey?

Was it because his only movie was terrible? Was he too dark for kids? Did the fact he's religious put people off?

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What is "truth, justice and the american way"

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wow I deliberately gave you examples from a very wide range of genres and mediums, but that doesn't stop you from dismissing me as a pretentious guy who hates everything that is popular. I kinda feel sad for you though. you see, developing good taste also requires some effort. you need to learn to appreciate the finer things in life. I guess there are so many manchildren around because kids grow up now learning that they are perfect the way they are.

the best things in life are acquired tastes but even in media made for plebs, there are better characters than fucking super duper man.

Daredevil has never really hit it with that BIG story, His old gritty stuff in the time before gritty was overplayed happened so long ago people barely remember it and the only stuff that gets talked about is Electra dying

Sure thing faggot no go sit in the corner and yell about all the things you know about something you obviously never read past Seanbabys Superfriends page

>shit-talking water
I bet you fetch Pokemon creatures

Unironically deep post

>no Super Buddies game
Now I'm sad

It's not my fault that you're too unintelligent to have a discussion without making assertions you have no relevant knowledge to make.

> It is hard to write villains that can give him trouble
Lex Luthor has no powers and gives him trouble all the time. Then there's people loke Livewire, Parasite, Metallo or Brainiac who are just as strong, make him weaker or circumvent his immunities.
However the correct way would probably be to make it about defending other people with your indestructible body.

>>wrong about the character over and over
>>Im right and im not a douche

Sure sure

Dunno, even though I find Mourdock more interesting and relatable than super rich Wayne
And didn't his TV series go well?

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Normal people are shit. What's deep about that? It's common knowledge. However, that fact doesn't make perfect moral exemplars any less boring.

Usually Superman is not strong enough to push a planet. His power level varies, but there's limits to his bullshit.

Of the Marvel Netflix shows

>Seasons 1 and 3 of Daredevil were really good. 2 was a bit patchy, particularly in the second half
>Luke Cage and The Punisher were mediocre
>Jessica Jones, Iron Fist and The Defenders were shit.

Using time is a good idea. The city lives, trouble everywhere. You're flying around and you hear all those people crying for help, you have 150+arrows on your minimap, pointing to problems. Then you have to make choices.

Discussions don't work by asserting conclusions, honey. Otherwise every discussion would like this "you are wrong and I am right!" -> "no, I am right and you are wrong!" -> "you are wrong and I am right!" -> "no, I am right and you are wrong!" -> "you are wrong and I am right!" -> "no, I am right and you are wrong!" ad infinitum
So unless you have anything substantial to say, you might just as well shut up.

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He's quite frequently strong enough

wrong

Season 3 of Daredevil was extremely good.
>I beat you!

Golden Age-Leaps tall buildings in a single bound and nothing less than a bursting shell can pierce his skin

Silver age-Tows solar systems travels through time at lightspeed powers as plot demends

Bronze age-Specifically reduced to 1/3rd his silver age power and more in line with the other top tier heroes

Post-COIE-Almost a Golden Age on steroids level and can be punched to death in a fight that wrecks a suburb and some of downtown Metropolis

Late 90s/2Ks-More "Average" Superhero level now that they didnt need to keep his feats in check trying to make people forget the Silver age. Could move maybe the Moon a bit with some other top tiers help

Nu52-Dunno I stopped reading like everyone else

Because Billy's not usually in something entirely serious unless it's part of a team up book, a lot of the time it's either something fairly lighthearted or comedic, depending on the story. People don't mind because most stories don't take him too seriously, unlike with Superman.

kek

You obciously dont read or udnerstand the material but are telling everyone its bad because of your second hand information so what does that say about you?

Your a pompous asshole who hates "Capeshit" and your interest isnt in a discussion its insulting people over stuff you "know" as a fact. I figured that out a hundred posts ago and realize you are only fit for ridicule at this point

Is the guy playing the punisher bad at the role or is the writing just bad?

Both. The writing sucks in the Punisher series and he's too emotional. It was decent enough in Daredevil season 2 when he's just starting out and supported by other shit going on, but once on his own it's conspiracy and screamgrowl. Gets annoying really fast. Plus he's a manlet what the fuck Frank's supposed to be a big imposing beast.

Bernthal's good and Frank was probably the highlight of Daredevil's second season, just his own show is boring.

There's some good ideas in there here and there, but on the whole it's just a boring crime drama.

>watch the justice league movie
>the whole final fight is just them waiting for superman
>superman shows up and beats the bad guy in literally 10 minutes, could have done it in 5 if he didn't save civilians

see
you have no counter-arguments so instead you dismiss the source of criticism. that's called an ad hominem fallacy. idiots think "ad hominem" is a fancy synonym for "insult". but it's not. I can call you a dumb child with shit taste and there is nothing logically fallacious about it. the fallacy is to say that "you must be wrong because of who you are". the funny thing is that you're so desperate to use this fallacy that you even just make shit up about a complete in order to use it. lol

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Or Superman Returns where Superman just lifts an entire island of Kryptonite and hurls it into space. Superman isn't even weak to his weaknesses, fuck Superman.

>Bernthal's good

He's not. If they were smart they'd have got Ray Stevonson back.

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Best piece of casting in War Zone was Wayne Knight as Micro.

That movie was kinda shit but at least he wasent raised to not value human life by waterworld

>>You obviously dont read or understand the material but are telling everyone its bad because of your second hand information so what does that say about you?

>>Your a pompous asshole who hates "Capeshit" and your interest isnt in a discussion its insulting people over stuff you "know" as a fact. I figured that out a hundred posts ago and realize you are only fit for ridicule at this point

You dont know the material and never read it but are apparently an expert.Ill copy and paste that until its not true or you commit suicide

Sure, but by your definition Superman is still like an underdog in many of his stories.

Superman lives as Clark Kent, a sort of nerdy loser, so most of the time he lives as an underdog to the people around him. He is often put in tough situations where he is at a disadvantage and he can't just bulldoze over people with his powers, like the public distrusting him, or someone accusing him of a serious crime. In one story Superman thinks he's dying and is trying to make peace with Lex Luthor and redeem his foe, but Lex isn't having it and Superman's powers aren't going to help convince Lex. One story of his is literally about him being there to comfort a suicidal woman and waiting as long as he has to make things right with her. He can't just zap or punch her depression. When Superman is fighting enemies some of them are very powerful and dangerous. He has some very nasty enemies some of whom have kryptonite like Metallo or even greater power like Darkseid. If it's too hard he doesn't train to get better to beat them, he either thinks of something, or has to win through sheer self sacrificing heroism. If he's beaten he doesn't get to just become stronger and more badass with some training, he has to put on a brave face and still be the underdog the next time they fight.

Some of Superman's stories have him as an underdog, but usually in a different way than being about the sheer determination to get back up after defeat, overcome your fear, and become stronger. Superman's stories usually aren't about striving to get stronger, they're about someone trying to live up to being everything a hero should be.

I am just here to say fuck batman

Hellboy is the hero of choice for adults
capes are fucking trash

I guess that's you have to do if you have no actual arguments. have fun. and nice reddit spacing

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Superman's dilemma is similar to one punch man, it's not an entertaining fight when he can curb stomp his usual enemies. Only thing I could see him being entertaining in is a musou.

I kinda noticed that the "I have to become STRONGER" thing is a very anime troupe that seems spurned on by their love of grinding in RPGs, I would be hard pressed to think of much outside of Luke in Star Wars that had a story about it being important that a character trained and became stronger and even that was more about him growing as a character than in power level

Maybe thats a bit of an aside though. Just what I think

>>You obviously dont read or understand the material but are telling everyone its bad because of your second hand information so what does that say about you?

>>Your a pompous asshole who hates "Capeshit" and your interest isnt in a discussion its insulting people over stuff you "know" as a fact. I figured that out a hundred posts ago and realize you are only fit for ridicule at this point

You still dont know anything about the material and cant make a legitimate argument about it. Kill yourself

>Superman lives as Clark Kent, a sort of nerdy loser, so most of the time he lives as an underdog to the people around him.
It's an act. He is deliberately acting that way as a disguise. It's not like he actually clumsy and inept. He is just pretending. Actual underdogs don't pretend to have a hard time, they actually do have a hard time.
>He is often put in tough situations where he is at a disadvantage and he can't just bulldoze over people with his powers, like the public distrusting him, or someone accusing him of a serious crime.
You mean like every superhero ever? That is monster of the week tier trash. At the end of the story, everything returns to normal. It's not part of his character arc or overall development. He always stays the same but the writers need to do SOMETHING to still make shit trash seem exciting (they fail more often than not).
>In one story Superman thinks he's dying and is trying to make peace with Lex Luthor and redeem his foe, but Lex isn't having it and Superman's powers aren't going to help convince Lex.
What does that have to do with being an underdog? Nothing. And him doing what's right with zero moral ambiguity is still boring as fuck.
>One story of his is literally about him being there to comfort a suicidal woman and waiting as long as he has to make things right with her
And? Where you forgetting what was talked about and now just post random superman stories? What is this supposed to be an example of? Him being good? We already know he is good.
>He can't just zap or punch her depression.
He doesn't need to. He just needs to look like a boring boyscout who always does what's right.
>Superman's stories usually aren't about striving to get stronger, they're about someone trying to live up to being everything a hero should be.
Nah. He isn't striving. He already is everything a hero should be (or rather what his writers think a hero should be). His """conflicts""" are never anything substantial.

keep going

swing and a miss

Hey its that guy that doesnt know anything about Superman and doesnt even know that Superman is Clark Kent and its often juxtaposed with Batman wearing a disguise as Bruce Wayne

Its almost like hes an asshole that doesnt know anything about the source material he is complaining about and should kill himself for his unrelenting stupidity

I had an idea for a Superman-like character. So basically you start of like Superman, loads of powers, immense strength and speed, invincible. Gameplay involves saving people and other generic heroic things but there will often be multiple crimes/disasters happening at once across a big open world that you have to go between. This would all be very easy as you are so fast time practically stops when you're in your speed state. The catch is the Superman-like character is dying. As the game progresses, the more you use your powers you get weaker. As you de-level you have to choose which powers you lose access to, like a perk/skill tree in reverse.

Could something like this work as a Superman game?

>she never got to appear in any Arkham game, not even as a skin
It's not fair

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All-Star Superman was already a thing so there is precedent

>doesnt even know that Superman is Clark Kent
lol stop making shit up. I said that him being clumsy and inept as Clark Kent is an act. Improve your reading comprehension if you didn't understand that.

Boy oh boy imagine being THAT triggered just because some people don't like boring Mary Sue Superman.

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>you will never play a game that has this scene
Why live?

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>It's an act... It's not like he actually clumsy and inept. He is just pretending. Actual underdogs don't pretend to have a hard time
It's part of who he actually really is, although he's not as clumsy and inept. He actually is given a hard time by people.

>[he's given many challenges he can't just fight] like every superhero ever? That is monster of the week tier trash. At the end of the story, everything returns to normal. It's not part of his character arc or overall development. He always stays the same
Superman is sort of the trope maker here. There are some character arcs with him, but sure he's been generally kept the same for a very long time. That criticism works for many many other comic book characters, and has more to do with how the characters are being used for money rather than a criticism of the character by itself.

>What does that have to do with being an underdog? Nothing.
It has to do with being an underdog because in that conflict he's powerless to change Lex. In fact because Lex hates him, he's at a disadvantage to make peace. He very much wants to redeem Lex and end their conflict, and he sees that Lex is a brilliant man with great potential, but Lex continues to hate him. He cares a lot to achieve this but cannot do it, he acts humbly and tries to appeal to Lex but he cannot change Lex's mind.

>him doing what's right with zero moral ambiguity is still boring as fuck.
Sometimes sure. Sometimes Superman gets stuck and can't find an easy solution. Sometimes what Superman thinks isn't popular or liked and people actually disagree. Sometimes Superman can in fact be wrong, or imperfect, even though he's well intentioned.

>He isn't striving. He already is everything a hero should be
To be that kind of hero always takes striving and effort. In good Superman stories this is made more apparent.

damn shame

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Mary sue that is inconsistent as fuck.

Say anything you like about Goku, but he is a far better character than supes in every aspect as he needs to train undr vaeious masters and get his ass kicked by characters that are equal to him and evem has to break his limits by perfrcting his training

That is why dragon ball fighting games work.

A legit dc fighting game will alayd have a conflict om how to make superman not op. He gets from being knocked out from a super nova to shaking solar systems, to crying over a back holed that is the size of a spec of dust, to throwing a solar system out of earth's atmosphere to being able to hurt dr. Fucking manhatthan.

Thats why there will never, ever be a good game aboit superman that does not tone down his powers significally and actually bothers to show us WHY he deservrs those powers by training or habing to fight someone that he is equal to.

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Captain Marvel could beat Goku's ass.

She absorbed a star.
Goku blows up universes.

Literally not a contest.

Bait, also I actually really liked her movie.

>Goku blows up universes.
Name one time where this happened.

Goku vs beerus.

Were you having a stroke while you wrote this?

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Say anything you like about Goku, but he is a far better character than supes in every aspect as he needs to train under various masters and get his ass kicked by characters that are equal to him ir super to him to improve, he even has to break his limits by perfecting his training and even then he is not the strongest in his own series

That is why dragon ball fighting games and stories work.

A legit dc fighting game will always have a conflict om how to make superman not op. He gets from being knocked out from a super nova to shaking solar systems, to crying over a back holed that is the size of a spec of dust, to throwing a solar system out of earth's atmosphere with effort to being able to hurt dr. Fucking manhatthan.

Thats why there will never, ever be a good game about superman that does not tone down his powers significally and actually bothers to show us WHY he deserves those powers by training or having to fight someone that he is equal to.

Just make it a boss rush game.

The universe wasn't blown up. Goku hasn't blown up any universes.

The universe 7 has multiple separate realms with different space time affecting all of them at once got the supreme kai to say that if he did not stop clasing with beerus, all of them would be blown up.

Galactus is the hero when you're an adult

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>becomes several times stronger and fights an even stronger opponent
>no universe shattering shock waves anymore
explain this. you can't

They literally state that goku was matching beerus' blows and that beerus nullified a universal amount of energy.

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>haha let me just turn back time by flying around the planet
>this is good writing btw

This. Superman is fucking boring for several reasons but every time you bring it up superman fans just sperg out with "No you don't understand, he's not literally perfect and that makes him interesting!" stupid shit.

red hair puts goku at new destructive levels where he can destroy universes. what does blue hair do? what did it change?

We'll the best Superman stories usually aren't about him fighting people, so a good game probably won't be about that either. Instead you'd need to focus saving people.

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Its red goku x50. (At least)

He gets really upset about microaggressions

So basically shitposters are Superboy Prime.

Then do not say he is not poorly written in terms of the feats he does.

Looking up to flawed losers are for losers because it implies you don't want to better yourself. Aspiring to Superman implies you want to be the best, and thus inspire greatness in others.

Superman had his powers given to him in a silver platter.
Goku had to train for everything he had gotten.

green lantern is the hero when you're an adult.

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Nigger, both got their powers the same way. Through their DNA.

>Looking up to flawed
So Superman really is a flawless Mary Sue?

Sure he is!

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Goku had to train for SSG, SS2, Kaiohken, kamehameha, solar flare, intant teleport, afterimages, ultra instinct, mafuba, etc.

That does not justify him being wanked to manhathan levels.

If you have grown up and matured you should realize superman is the biggest more immature asshole on the planet. If I myself got the powers of superman I would use my 200 IQ to realize doing nothing with my power if the best thing to do in the world. Using his powers to beat the shit out of bank robbers in the original comics is beyond fucking retarded.

There is so many negative outcomes in what superman does in reality.

"with great power comes great responsibility"
Is so fucking moronic. With that insane power you should learn when to use it or not to use it. When you are a God you should only intervene when a God is needed.

There is no threat to Superman and the writer knew how bad that is so he made Kryptonite. Superman is boring the same reason all long running immortal capeshit is boring: death doesn't affect them so there's no threat to their existence.

You have to be a goddamn smooth brained child to still like Superman after you realize this.

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I find Eurocomics generally way more versatile in their themes and approaches as well as artstyles than American comics.

You imply Superman did not earn his powers through control, self-discipline and concentration. You can like your kissless retard space monkey all you want. Superman is just the better role model.

Superman also fails, gets beat down, and gets his ass kicked some of the time. Superman has characters who are better than him at many things, some of them are even stronger and more powerful than him.

The only real difference between Superman and Goku that you touched on is that Superman doesn't train and get like 50 times more powerful when he's in trouble.

You could make a Superman game where he just fights super powerful guys like Goku does. I think people would expect more than that though from a story about Superman.

You have to be a smooth brain idiot to continue to follow capeshit in general.

Too true.

Superman is very often the underdog in his fights. Most of his villains, excluding Luthor, are his match or more powerful then he is.

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>through DNA
Sayians were weak as fucking shit in the galaxy. Goku is the exception because he hit his head as a baby. Vegeta is Only able to be so powerful is because he is a fucking genius.

If you want actual DNA trunks and Gohan have the best DNA to become the most powerful in the galaxy. Gohan for example should be the most powerful being in the galaxy but he is not interested in fighting. Gohan is mostly human genetics giving him much more human emotions which makes Turning super sayian extremely easy. Trunks and Gohan should be the most powerful but they lack the fighting spirit a true sayian has.

Goku is powerful because of a accident
Vegeta is powerful because he is a genius and has to work 10 times harder than goku.

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There's plenty of diverse American comics out there, you just have to look a bit harder for them

The 'I was raised as a killer and can't emote but can fight the best of the best' thing was done better with Marvel's Black Bat, X-23.

NO one is claiming goku is a role model. The creator has stated goku is an asshole only interested in fighting wiling to put others in danger to do so.
And
>having a super hero as a role model
What a fucking idiot.

>rivalry
Was it a rivalry originally? I don't remember. I could have sworn Eddie was just some yellow-journalist mook that Peter didn't know or care about who got exposed when Spidey caught the real Sin-Eater. Then Eddie got bitch-mad, became Venom, and austically decided to hate Spider-Man and see him as the real villain. Not much of a rivalry there but I could be missing something.

goku traches us to TRAIN and be humble enough to learn under others to improve ourselves.

That is dar better than just masturbating in the sun

Just give him an HP bar and let him take damage. Long as everything else makes you feel like Superman i wouldn't mind that. I mean he'd make for a great action game with his arsenal especially if you can get creative with it instead of just shooting laser eyes to do damage. Well that and the whole "you're strong but can't save everyone" shtick. I mean aside from that all you can do is a Walking Dead style game with words and easy QTEs.

>Yea Forums threads

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Vegeta was a prodigy.
Goku has to train to be even able to keep up

This

>SSG
Given by standing still and holding hands
>kamehameha
>afterimages
Instantly used them after seeing them once
>ultra instinct
ass pulled and mastered in less than 40 minutes

Not saying Goku doesn't train but it's not like he doesn't have his share of bullshit moments

Somebody dump the whole thing.

I know it's slightly overrated, but it's still one of my favourite piece because it perfectly captures what everyone is bitching about; Superman can't save everyone, even when he's OP

Ssg
A power given by OTHERS and other thing they say in the movie is that gku is mad he could not get it on is own until the very end

Kamehameha was weaker than roshi's and had to train to even be compable to his moon busting blasts.
He lost to tenshinhan.

Ultra instinct was teased back in the resurrection f saga, goku cannot trigger it on command and was about to lose if frieza and android 17 did not save him.

Based

>Yea Forums having better Yea Forums threads than Yea Forums
>better hentai threads than /h/ or d/
>Yea Forums and Yea Forums having better anime and food threads than Yea Forums and /ck/
>Yea Forums and /d/ having better long winded discussions about anything subjective without it turning into a shitfest
>Mostly /d/ on that but still
What is it with this near paradoxical phenomena

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>liking capeshit

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>Escort Mission: The Game
Yeah, sounds REAL fun

I thought of an idea for a game having a superman character. I'm more shocked thr industry is full of retards that have not thought of it. I'm the same user that came up with the perfect horror game Months ago with an entity warping people's reality slowly the more you stay in the town.

For a superman game to work the game will be about his mental state and decision making. You will get different endings depending on your actions.

If you save everyone when you are needed you end up killing yourself in a months time as you decide to push your life to the side and people around. Decisions such as going to a friends funeral or fighting a monster attacking a town.

Completely taking care of yourself also has terrible results. I have no idea why there isn't a fucking game studio capitalizing this idea.
>le reddit spacing
Been on Yea Forums since 07 if you still believe the reddit spacing meme kill yourself

I see now. Superman's strongest superpower; his super disappointment in you

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The problem with Superman is that Superman isn't actually the main character. Jimmy Olsen is.

someone post the father-sons Multiversal Sundip punch from the last Justice League issue

A lot boards just want to jack off to waifus and make outrage threads.

You're talking about something else, the other user said goku trained for those things, I pointed out how he didn't or how unjustified they were, that's my point and it has nothing to do with whether he wins or loses with those techniques/forms

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Your idea fucking sucks

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>my wife will leave me and take our kid
Jesus, why'd the guy get married in the first place?

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Bless you user

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Superman stealth/social game where you play as Clark Kent and need to protect your secret identity while doing supes things. Battles are short QTEs

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Oh please faggot. Not him but it sounds like a perfect onions boy snoy exclusive launch title that every nu male will eat up calling it deep. It literally sounds like a fucking marvel movie into a game. For yourself for liking capes hit anyway.

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How about you unlock Superman in the rocksteady batman games after you beat the game as a sort of cheat/god mode

So, how would you construct this logic into a fully realized video game without rendering the player sick of "go to X to save/defeat Y", or making a near-invincible without constantly bringing deus ex mcguffin to weaken Superman? What's the point or plot of the game? What era of Superman is this? Is it a linear world, or open?
INB4 posting that age old screencap where user explains the mechanics of how a good Superman game could work. I want to hear what you think would make this work, since you seem to believe it's possible without putting people off.

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Some user already posted a decent idea a few post up. Game based off of decision making.

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Stop the image posting faggot. Have a discussion or leave.

>me strong
>me do hot AND cold
>frikkin laserbeams
>oh i can fly
>oh im super fast
yikes

If they were to do a SotC boss only game maybe it could work, but otherwise you're gonna be stuck with a ton of padding as supes mows through all the mooks.

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STOP IMAGE POSTING FAGGOT. IT'S GOING TO REACH POST LIMIT WHEN PEOPLE ARE DISCUSSING. FUCK OFF.

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>VRRRRRRRR

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>reeeeeeeeeeeee

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Enjoy samefagging your thread to death faggot. It was great till you spammed it.

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Power fantasies for me, but not for thee.

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>He's an underdog
>Except he is vastly superior to every single being around him 99.9% of the time
>but sometimes he gets lonely (ignore his waifu who was immediately infatuated with him and the friends/family he has as clark kent)
>But lonley :(

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You're literally the only one complaining like a polesmoking bitchboy while the rest of us are enjoying Superman kino. Calm down. There can be another thread.

I'm not dumping user, but I am enjoying it, thanks for asking

It reminds me of another game and it doesn't have a great reputation.

Why à game where you are insanely powerful would not work? This kind of does not need to be hard since you are basically superman and so every fight is easy for you.
It could be game with little activities or just patrolling around a map saving people without killing civilian I dunno.

I am sure those game would sell since there are little power fantasy video game around.

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Thanks user

Plus, he can be nerfed for the sake of in-game difficulty

Loved it. Thank you user. Reminded me why I like Superman.
youtube.com/watch?v=e9vrfEoc8_g

>checked IP signatures
>no new IPs
>replied to yourself
...

Check the post times dipshit. If it was the same poster how did they get around the cooldown?

>MFW all I want is a good Hellblazer game
>Even feel that the telltale style would have fit it perfectly, but rather than your choices change the outcome of the ending (which we all know it wont), it actually determines who lives and who dies amongst your supporting cast
>The % bars at the end of the episodes isnt who chose what by %, but rather the % of players with over 10 friends left alive

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>150 different ips ITT
That's some generous bait there.

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>being this anally devastated nobody wants to respond to your shit video game ideas

You are a mongoloid.

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He’s not

But where's Specialman?

Superman is gay

Batman and Superman are friends!

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Miracleman is still my favourite version of 'What if Superman were real'?

>Here's what's best for you humans, enjoy
>But I wa-
>Enjoy or fuck off.

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>Marvels so bad at making decent characters that their writers constantly 'borrow' from DC
>The hulk had DC's death instead of their own
>Marvels satan is afraid of john constantine, but not dr strange
>Thanos is admittedly ripped off of Darksied
>DC BAD MARVEL GOOD

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Still better than Ireedemable. Yeesh, that guy.

Yea Forums pass, fuckface

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Yea Forums pass, fuckface

Pass still has a 30 second cooldown.

Yea Forums pass, fuckface

Yea Forums pass, fuckface

Now that was a good game

>Metropolis has a bunch of devices that are inhibiting supes' powers
>each one is guarded by one of his rogues gallery
>each inhibitor taken out increases the magnitude of his powers
>power level slowly picks up until you're back to the man of steel and can move on to a final confrontation
>meanwhile, you have to juggle crimefighting and averting disasters to maintain the morale of each district

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>Mobile. sorry.
Say no more.

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but that’s blue beetle user

>When you are a God you should only intervene when a God is needed
>Using his powers to beat the shit out of bank robbers in the original comics is beyond fucking retarded.
Are you fucking retarded?

or what if it was just explained at the start if the game that mr. mxpltfwhatever simply made superman weaker because he felt like it

What's going on here

>and have to use his sonar pulse wave ability to give them all abortions

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>Say anything you like about Goku, but he is a far better character than supes in every aspect as he needs to train undr vaeious masters and get his ass kicked by characters that are equal to him and evem has to break his limits by perfrcting his training
Fool weeb. You’re right that Goku is a better character than Superman, but not because he have to “”””””””train””””””””””
but because he’s just a selfish dude that want to fight and be stronger, and that let him to do things like letting his enemies live so they can be stronger and being generally harmless when are his friend will try to kill the villain to avoid bad shit to happen.

>white mom with black baby
Lmao

He's having an anime moment.

Flat out nerfing him with Mister Mxyzptlk could also work, but I was thinking more along the lines of how superman could be depowered but still provide a sense of gameplay progression.

Dying Supes got trapped inside a higher dimension while fighting a universe maker. He has an epiphany about lights, past and futures, and manages to see a string of stars that batman left him and supes manages to fly trough all of them, powering gim up and essentially doing the end scene of the gurren lagann movie

>thread about Superman
>ctrl + f "goku"
>30 results
why are Yea Forums fags so O B S E S S E D

What's the problem? Superman is overpowered and has a boring catalog of abilities.

Because the Clone Saga dragged Spider-Man to the mud. The Clone Saga didn't start out terribly, it had plenty of potential but ultimately spiralled into bad writing and writers having no idea what is going on in the series. Ultimately it was Marvel's autism that Spider-Man NEEDS to be a teenager or needs to not be married that serves as Spider-Man's biggest downfall. Ironically, the TV shows and movies love to glorify Spider-Man's teenage years and have never gotten to Spider-Man's college years. MCU Spider-Man is living proof of this. The peak of Spidey's story arcs where in the 70s and 80s. Late 90s and early 2000s was when the downfall began.

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> virtually every Spiderman story for the last two decades has been an unmitigated disaster
>Spider-man Blue
>JMS Spider-Man
>Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man
>Marvel Adventures Spider-Man
>The Gauntlet
>Kraven's first hunt
>No One Dies
>Renew your vows
>Into the Spider Verse
>Spider-Man: Life Story
Your heads up the rectum again

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>Peter finally married to Mary Jane and enjoying their life together like normal adults
>Brand New Day

FFFFFFUCK DAN SLOTT

He was.
He is beyond retarded in Super.

Start from

>No One Dies
Now let's not kid ourselves - NOD was absolute shit. Spider-Man has made peace with death before and that entire story was him having an autistic sperg out over nothing.

Based on Life Story though even if it is depressing as fuck.

Not a Supes fan nor any of the posters here. But
>Goku
He is a pure WAKU WAKU retarded character post-Androids Saga. Before it he was a pretty decent character, but at this point he's just a rotting corpse with barely any development. Gohan is a far superior character that was squandered by Toriyama changing his mind halfway through the Buu Saga. Goku's power level doesn't matter in this argument. What matters is his personality and reletability and currently he's a pretty shit character. Pre-Android Saga Goku was great tho.

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>baww spider-man isn't a virgin like me anymore
You are such a faggot, holy shit

This is why Spider-Girl was great. It didn't have any of Dan Slott's bullshit and it was in a universe where Brand New Day never happened and where Spider-Man's tomboy daughter takes up his mantle after he gets crippled. Fuck Dan Scott and fuck his stupid fan fiction bullshit.

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If you set in in early Action Comics era, you could make an interesting game. Early meaning he does big jumps instead of flying around. Flying around is the core Superman experience but it's hard to balance a game around that.

1930s Superman would be fun, he was mostly just a strong guy who didn't get hit by bullets and beat the shit out of the bosses of abused laborers or stopped dumb shit like some governor trying to start a war with Europe.

>Spider-Man's tomboy daughter
Magic words. She's totally made for incest.

Hail Hydra

Goku has literally never developed as a character. Not even once. And he was never meant to. He has only developed as a fighter and martial artist.
Goku is, was, and will always be our boy.

Don't you dare

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It's already been done. Tomboy Mayday and her Daddy-long-leg make a good couple.

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Not necessarily. In the Android Saga he learned that his WAKU WAKU ways were detrimental towards everyone and the whole world, that's why he handed the mantle over to Gohan who would've been far more responsible. His arc was over in Android Saga because he realised he can't spend all his life being fuelled by adrenaline and putting the whole world at risk. Toriyama backpedled on that and completely changed it by making him the big hero of the Buu Saga all over again.

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CEASE RIGHT THIS MOMENT

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A story that's great in concept, but makes zero sense in execution.

This.

He didn’t learn shit. His pure obliviousness that his son wasn’t a fighter like him led to this situation and upon realizing this chose sacrifice himself for his friends and son, something he would naturally do at any point in DB if needed. He chose to stay in other world because he would get to fight as he liked while thinking his presence was what caused evil to show up. And after Buu he realized evil would happen even if he wasn’t there and stayed alive afterwards.

you probably only think that because it's been parotted for ever, but there are a lot of Supe stories that actually give him shit to deal with in interesting ways.

Okay. Mostly because I don't have any other Mayday pics.

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I love this