Doom kino is back on the menu lads, we Heaven now

Looks cool as hell

Looks like a religious facility from some other planet

Is that Hayden turned into a demon?

They have namedropped a planet named Phobos that you'll be visiting at some point, I don't know if that's it though.
The concept art for DOOM Eternal show a lot of very strange environments and I'm really excited to see them, seems they let the environmental artists go nuts.

>original doom cover is demons approaching Doomguy
>Eternal is Doomguy heading to meet them
Gotta admit, that's pretty neat.

Looks dope

>Phobos
>planet

Phobos is a moon

if you like shooters yes. if you dont like shooter gameplay then don't bother, you won't get much from it.
I personally loved it and think it's the best shooter of the last 10 years or so.

Moonlet cope

retard series for reddit zoomers

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0/10
apply yourself

Based retard

Are regular humans even alive at this point in the nudoom timeline?

>franchise is older than him
>zoomers

doom is probably older than you. the reboot is extremely good

That where the BFG 10000 is.

Wasn't the last "modern" Doom they came out with complete shit? Why would this be different?

you've never played any shooter except this one, have you

>the reboot is extremely good
no, it's basically distilled zoomerfuel. There's no better way to reveal just how out of touch you are with Doom as a series, than admitting you like nudoom.

>Wasn't the last "modern" Doom they came out with complete shit?
No, it was pretty good.

Nah it's fun

except for gameplay, level-design, world-design, sound and music design

Played through it 3 times and I hardly play any vidya at all anymore

Are you this boring?

Some people seem to hate it, but on the whole it's very well liked. I certainly enjoyed it a lot.

this, just shitty painkiller arenas and buttrock
even serious sam 3 is more fun

Sounds like the Icon of Sin garbled speech behind that person who is speaking.

You must have really shit taste in everything else then.

To be honest, what other shooter would even come close to beeing called the best in the last 10 years? Serious Sam 3? Shadow Warrior Redux? Dusk? It has to be one of these because everything else has been complete shit.

are they going to give him a proper face in this one

>Posy yfw Doomguy is female

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What you interfere with now. Is bigger than you can ever
>imagine
.

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what everything else?

Overload

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>doom

Get this boomer shit franchise out of here.

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can't turn into a demon if you were quite literally Satan himself all along.

Samual hADEN was no accident.

>he didint even watch the teaser
Those burly eyebrows.
He is a CHAD.

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What

I can't wait to download a 90 GB game with a 5 hour story mode

(you)

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Fuck out of here pedophile

sick

sounds like there will be more storyfagging, ruh roh

>God is eviiiil
Dropped.

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Sentinels home realm
Not heaven.

That's good.

Muh DICK

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He probably eats shit by the metric ton and gargles diarhhea every morning and calls it delicious.

Imagine Doom but you're flying a spaceship through claustrophobic mines in zero gravity, and you have to blow up a reactor at the end of each level and get to the emergency exit before the level self-destructs. That's Overload for you.
Add some dizzying true 3D level design, good enemy AI, fun weapons, and good sound design, and you're good to go. One thing of note is that it's an Unity game which is actually optimized.
youtube.com/watch?v=kUsJUAgysG8

The reason you never hear anyone talking about this is because it doesn't have a meme retro visual style to attract normalfags, nor are the developers antifa attention whores to attract outrage from Yea Forums.

Heaven is your filthy headcanon.

Why do people still call this Heaven? It still looks demonic to me, higher echelon Hell.

hello trannies

He said it.
He said the word everyone.
said the word.

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>hella
dont play it. its too good and has too much testosterone for your feminine s o y ass

This.

Doom is not built for lore. The lore is going to devolve into garbage because of faggot youtubers making misinformed videos that contradicts in-game information.

>implying

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doom is for the straight and white

inb4 he buys a game and judges it after a tutorial level.
Good to know that S O Y doesn't get to expirience the pure doom.

Getting some Quake 2 vibes.

NuDoom would be fun if it didn't force you to use those stupid fucking brutalities on harder difficulties. Slows down the game a shit ton and ruins the pacing of what Doom is all about.

Im playing through DOOM 2016 (already in hell). Im having fun but I thought the series was more about enemies in specific places of the map, while this seems like a collection of "arena sections", which is making me a little less interested in the game atm. Also, a lack of bosses at least at this point. What are the chances of this changing on Eternal?

There is no heaven in Doom.
There is no fucking headcanon.

READ

DATA

LOGS

I dont watch porn. I make the porn.

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>he doesn't want to play as a cute muscle girl

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Playing through the original Doom again made me realise that nu-Doom, while still good in its own way, really doesn't capture the atmosphere and aesthetic of the original.

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>ssslows doowwowon the gggahahmne
Just pick a rune nigger.
Just get runes.
Just learn to play good.
Just get over it.
Just get a job.
Just picrelated.

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(you) got me

>realm that isn't hell
>realm that was protected by tentacle monsters
>realm that was betrayed and absorbed into hell
MUHH HEAVEN N SHIT NIGGA WE WERE SAINTS N SHIT

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FPS is saved

Wish I had someone to do that for me.

D44M is its own game.

Doom has no heaven, "Hell" is just a shitty dimension full of monsters.

be careful with that, when I said this the last time, I was called shill by Yea Forums

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>aesthetic of the original
It was really bland desu. Hell was just generic fire and brimstone, with dull brown and grey textures everywhere. And the early levels weren't much better.
I like nu-Doom's style more. Doom Eternal looks even better, since they seem to be drawing inspiration from Barlowe.

Those daemon logs outright mention Doom Slayer being blessed by angels.

Heaven is real and it's backing our boy.

I'm sorry you're mad I don't like a bad game. Runes don't fix the overreliance on melee kills anyway, so bad argument.

D44M is a very good love letter to the Brutal Doom mod.

We are on Yea Forums
We are knee deep in the shit. You expect me to take anything from Yea Forums seriously?

A reminder that the Doom Slayer is not the Doom Guy from Doom 1&2.

>he doesn't even know that there are runes that make glory kills last less than a second
>he didint even play the game he just posts on Yea Forums
Next

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Good. Im not keen on playing as a transdimensional jew that fucks up every possible civilization.

But whatever that place OP posted isn't Heaven. It is another Hell level. The creatures there looked like their witch spawning things in white in D44m

just saying that people here are dumb. I hated arena-styled levels and gore kills of D44M but I still enjoyed it cause it's a funny shooter.

in other news, I just got my Sigil in mail

I know you are bait, but it is the Doomguy from 1/2/64.

>"angels" and angelic looking structures is actually just extremely high-tier demons
I like this trope.

Retard

>tfw now with all the people aware of doom the game sales will skyrocket

but it doesn't look angelic. You say it's angelic cause it is white/gold/ and marble. Hell isn't only black and red

Good, let's hope it's even better than the last game.

It's probably just Hayden'a faction

original doom's music is infinitely superior

>still interrupting gameplay with cinematic kills, taking control out of the player's hands
I'll repeat my earlier point
>runes don't fix the overreliance on melee kills anyway, so bad argument
If I knew you'd get so mad I wouldn't have brought up any critique of babby's favorite game

Actually something better than muh angels being bad demons being bad but not being the same.

Don't believe it.

yes it is but seeing how Iron maiden is suing Ion maiden just for name, I doubt other metal bands would allow doom to have sound alike songs.

>pulling the mad straw
You are desperate lmao
>I'll repeat my earlier point
Skill does
Last (you)

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I don't care what you believe. What is fact is fact

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how do they paint this detail on the building??

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>not at least appreciating the aesthetic of the moon bases

brainlet-tier

Just keep playing Doom 2 wads for the rest of your miserable life while the rest of us have fun.

Not Canon.

imagine if Doom becomes the only recent game from Bethesda to not flop on release
we could get more one-time purchase, high-fidelity singleplayer FPS games instead of F2P mobile slot machines

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nu-doom is NOT kino.
It plays nothing like old doom. You cant just take the same weapons/enemies and call it "DOOM". Its the actual gameplay that matters and this shit plays more like CoD Zombies than DOOM. Fucking retards.

Salty coins and milk.

The fuck? The healthpacks still drop regardless once you're low on life. Oh, right, you just spout the same shit that idiots falseflagging as OG Doom fans have to try and shit on the game and didn't actually play it.

i hope they wont fuck it up with dlcs up the ass , i want a good game like the last one

The idea that he is has been popularly received so this is what id will go with

>I'll repeat my earlier point
there's barely any functional difference between being locked in place for 0.5s and swinging around a melee weapon for 0.5s

ya better watch yer fucking language sonnyjim!

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fuck im hyped

464951941
>kino
How to spot the underage
If they give free campaign expansions, I'd be down.
I remember wanting more of D4's SP rather than the bland MP.

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Eternal better tell me that then.

>implying Doom 2 wads aren't fun
You are the zoomer

Why is heaven just bog standard mechanical things painted white? The devs ran out of imagination or something?

Thats because it IS boring compared to old doom. It plays slow as fuck.

Wait, I see this cycling like before. No matter what I say you will just bait. I'm out before it cycles a fucking gain

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>trying to make Doom's lore more complex with exposition

Doom is fucked. The gameplay will be fun but the lore is about to get mouth fucked by humor and this heaven vs hell thing.

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SAMuel HaYDEn

play Classic Doom too

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i wanna fuck lara

>Oh? You're approaching me?

>slow as fuck
youtube.com/watch?v=72S2aAxtZOs

EYEBALLS CONFIRMED

You cant jump in doom, just like CoD. Maybe they are more alike than you like to admit :^)

based

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This game better have good level design because the first game was total garbage every room is an arena where enemies spawn in a circle. who the fuck thought that was a good idea???

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Now watch him say its played by some bot that spends his entire life behind a computer.

yikes

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>exposition
Did you not play the last
Literally almost every bit of story was told through logs except for that one annoying part with Hayden.

>every room is an arena where enemies spawn in a circle. who the fuck thought that was a good idea???
There's literally nothing wrong with arena level design in general

>anime faggot
Opinion discarded.

youtube.com/watch?v=-6oshTPjcWc

you missed 3 years

"I can't rip and tear from a distance faggot"

That's Descent not Doom

The angels also look metal as fuck, love this cover art.

I didn't yet, 182 games in backlog first

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Classic Doom >>>>>> Shit >>>>>>> Brutal Doom >>>>>>>>> NüDoom

>There's literally nothing wrong with arena level design in general
This is your typical modern "doom fan"
Anyone excited for another bethesdoom is an absolute drone who doesn't love the original game.

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Hopefully they're getting rid of the shit ass multiplayer which was half of the data

But you still made a broad statement about it?

Imagine using a literal speedrunner as your baseline kek. You can take a speedrun of literally ANY game and call it "fast paced".
Enemies in nu-doom are fucking bullet sponges and if you play ""normally"" the levels drag on forever.

Was that supposed to change my mind?

Don't you think your standpoint would be more convincing if you elaborated with arguments why you believe arena level design is inherently a bad thing and can never be good, no matter the game?

Why do zoomers refuse to play orginal Doom? New Doom is fine, but you fags are so retarded talking about muh graficcks, muh gunpley

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Fuck you
Doom 4 is infinitely better than Brutal Doom, as most things are.

>capable of enjoying game that was large part of my childhood
>Also enjoy new things

Not a zoomer dipshit. Enjoy wasting away, wallowing in nostalgia as your only escape from the crushing march of time.

I could tell you were a chad just by reading this post.

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Ah, yes. I, too, like to criticize games I have yet to play.

based and redpilled. So many literal kids in this thread trying to defend their shit-tier reboot.

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I said about Eternal.. The signs are there.

>Oh No, it;s HIM
>Oh is the Slayer.
>Hello Slayer
>he grabs a skinny drone for his door card
>supposed to be funny
>...
>heaven HQ.jpeg

It's not looking good..

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>Heaven
I think it's more like Hayden acting like he is Jesus. Creating his "holy" order of "angels" from modified demons. Kind of like Sanctus and the Order of the Sword in DMC4.

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not him but its kinda lazy and lets you get away with doing less designing. scripted events and sequences with strong character to environment interaction is much more engaging (imo)

It is kys ez.

how long do these stay up (we dont have that in my third-world shithole)? cause then you have to pay more painters to get the original color back

Doom Eternal is literally the only game I've been excited for since it was announced. I've legitimately not really played any games since.

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As long as its the tomboy one, I'd be ok with it

There's a reluctance to explore older shit in general, what gives?

I assumed they were going for the Jesus-driving-merchants-out-the-temple thing.

holy sheet, they got mad skills

>a literal speedrunner
If he was actually trying to speedrun it'd look something like this
youtube.com/watch?v=MJvs1BGlydc
For crying out loud, he's not even trying to gauss jump noclip his way through the level. It's disingenuous to assume that he's trying to actively clear the level as fast as possible. Instead take a look at how the combat plays out.

When you played the game, did it look anything like that or did you just take it slowly?

I think nu doom is flashing boring quicktime bullshit and id rather be playing doom 3. maybe beth will make this one better but I doubt it

If they can solve the big problem that enemy encounters are tied to rooms rather than being part if the levels, it'll be ace.

yeah? Everyone loved Doom 2016 where have you been for 3 years

I don't have a problem with NuDoom, I just have a problem with literal zoomers that never played classic Doom and say NuDoom is better.

>implying a man that was considered genious of his time would fuck around with god faggotry instead of "continuing our work"
Get a job.

Yeah I think so too

Was the level design in the DMC/Platinum/God Hand games ever a problem to you because of the arenas?

Take a look at this game:
youtube.com/watch?v=zbqLLB3dMFQ
Does it look like this game is worse off for consisting entirely out of arenas?

>Kind of like Sanctus and the Order of the Sword in DMC4.
>Bethesda announces a collab with Capcom in a crossover between DMC and DOOM
What if?

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what about zoomers who played classic Doom once and never played nuDoom, but still say classic Doom is better for nerd cred?

Terrible argument. Same level as telling a Final Fantasy fan they love to wallow in nostalgia because they don't like the shitfest that was 15

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You're boring and dumb

Don't feel like it.

>not heaven

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honestly no somehow it works much better for 3rd person action games. In my fps I like those moments where your trapped in the room and have to fight off waves but not all the fucking time like its serious sam or some shit. Im half life 1 baby so yea

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I bunny hopped more and switched weapons less often. Movement and jumping are just too slow/floaty for me, felt like I was playing Halo, not a Doom game.

*siiiiiiiiiiip*

Anyway to the more important matters. The ayy lmao on the mural is not hayden according to this image.

Just put heaven between quotes.

They're even worse. But there's no way to tell that.
Classic Doom it's still better, and receives such love and care, even to this day, that NuDoom never will.

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>I bunny hopped more
There is no bunnyhopping in nuDoom

>Shadow Warrior Redux
It was super good tho. Shadow Warrior 2, however...

> But there's no way to tell that.
I don't know, I'm a boomer that played through the old Dooms in their time and when I see people saying that they actually look better than nuDoom, I can only think of faggots saying Fallout 1 is better than New Vegas despite never having played it only to try and outnerd the hipsters

You don't move faster, but you can still jump as soon as you hit the ground

can someone tell me why there's a giant crucifix in space if there's no heaven
because I get the distinct impression that humanity never got a chance to spread Christianity to the xenos in this setting

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This is a good way to put it. It feels really "floaty"

>looks
It feels better. I liked NuDoom, but the problem I have with it, It's that I don't like the demon designs. That and the level design too, too clustered and not enough variety in them.
The demons should have stayed more closed to the originals, with current gen graphics.

shouldnt you be posting or /r/atheism

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i played og doom around release and i liked nudoom a lot, i hated the enclosed boss fights in nudoom though, wished they had gone more open like og doom and they didnt have health bars.

The difference is that fallout 1/2 and 3+ are completely different genres. A better comparison would be RE2 vs REmake.

But the statues to the left look like the Summoner and Harvester from D44m

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It's totally Hayden with a god complex. Screencap this.

We don’t know. The nuDoom lore does hint at there being some sort of benevolent or at least righteous higher power that contributes to the Slayer’s crusade, but I’m not sure if the things we’re seeing in these teasers are it. My bet is it’s some corrupted sect or some high level demons from an exclusive VIP part of hell. Maybe the Slayer will have a brief, super brief run in with an actual good seraphim, but only for a moment, before he’s reinvigorated to go back to killing. Like the moment in the matrix where the ship breaches the clouds and the entire lighting and color palette of the movie changes for five seconds. That’d be kinda cool.

>creepy looking angels
We Bayonetta now

Dilate

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So if i put a cross on top of my house it becomes heaven? Neat, i guess every church is heaven too

DOOM DOES NOT SUPPOSE TO HAVE MUH DEEP LORE
FUCK OFF

Doubt it, Hayden seemed very down-to-earth in the first game, it's be a waste to just have him go insane.

Devs literally said "we love lore and we know you do too so we're adding more lore for Eternal" at the first reveal presentation

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Screencap this I'm not kidding.

He doesn't look human to me

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>we love lore and we know you do too so we're adding more lore for Eternal
literally who??? Not a single hardcore Doom fan since 1993 says this, not one.
>inb4 muh boomer le siipppp

Nah, he's right. There's nothing wrong with arena level design. Shit, one of my favourite parts of Back to Saturn X was that one arena near the end - you know, the really hard one with all the water.

The problem is not arenas, but overuse of arenas. Literally every level in 2016 was stuffed to the gills with arenas, to the point where they became repetitive rather than interesting.

when I said "if there's no heaven" I was referring to the guy that claimed there was no heaven in doom earlier in the thread you fucking mongs

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D44M had a lot of lore and was positively received on that part so now they're adding more

I guess

I'm not sure the classic demon designs could work with modern-day graphics, but maybe it could be achieved

Epic samefag

People liked the lore of Doom 4 because it took itself seriously but was still enough in the background to not bother you with it if you didn't care for it.

Epic retard

No he looks like this

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>play old Doom
>slide around the level
>enemies can't hit you
>enemies just kill each other because they can't aim
>ammo and medkits everywhere, don't even care about losing a game due to low hp/ammo
>go through level, get a key, backtrack, get a key, backtrack, get a key, backtrack, finish level
>hug/shoot walls 24/7 for secrets
>constantly get 200% hp/armor powerups to make game easier
>music is not even original, might as well turn on real stuff
>not even real 3D
Wow so this is the BEST FPS EVUR

they look like mural alien you faggot

That'd be (You)

this. probably got bored after looking for the "dab" button for 20 mins

Mars has two moons, Phobos(fear) and Deimos(terror).

Mars is kino as fuck all around.

the way focus on "muh lore" now? Fuck deep lore, this is DOOM
At least make the Arch-vile more close to the original design. Nu Arch-vile looks "we want the edgy crowd" tied. It really sucks.

I still like Nu Doom, but they need to stop "changing" it's essence so much.

>Not a single hardcore Doom fan since 1993 says this, not one
XD

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Sooooo.... Descent?

BBUt MUUhh 12 DeEhmONS And COHHridOrS
HUNGHHHHHHHHHR.

seethe, zoomsoi

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well

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sounds fun

thanks for identifying yourself, like it wasn't already obvious...

I'd honestly preferred if we never got to see even a fraction of his face.
Don't know why, I just find the "character that commits massive ammouts of violence has his face hidden" trope kino as fuck.

>ends with running at them with a chainsaw
Oh man fukken EPIC dood
He's gonna press M1 and get his ammo refilled after an insta-kill
Some fukken high-octane hype fuel

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what happened to that fucking laser sword hayden had at the end? What about doomguy's energy cage thing that he was trapped in, how does he get out of that? also why didn't doomguy just fucking kill hayden earlier in the first game, what was stopping him?

based poster

>doomslayer is black
Fucking BASED

>angels are demons too

Who could have imagined this? >;)

So the angels are enemies too right?

>why didn't doomguy just fucking kill hayden earlier in the first game, what was stopping him?
He needed him for information and planning, and the one time he comes across him personally, he's immune to all your guns.

Doomguy has no reason to kill Hayden in the first game. Sure he was a prick, but it's not his fault his subordinate got corrupted by demons, and he provides valuable service to help you out whenever he can. Also he had a forcefield, a super-strong robotic body and made sure to be in the same room as you only once.

Demons = fallen angels canon?

what if i don't want to kill hayden. where are the choices

Angels are more cruel than demons in the bible, retards.

>end of the game
>Doomguy takes off his helmet
>they hide his face in 2 minute long cutscene like they hid nudity in Austin Powers

>Angels tell Doomguy that they're the reason he's constantly reviving
>If he kills them, the next time he dies he will be sent to hell with no way out this time
>Doomguy stomps their skulls and blow his brain out to get into hell FASTER

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We’ve known the face since the first Doom tho

I can't wait for the ost honestly.

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>you kill Hayden toward the beginning of the game
That's the impression the Phobos trailer gave me. You get free from the stasis prison on Mars, then chase Hayden to Phobos, deal with him there, then arrive to Earth, then go to Hell.

Hopefully the level design will be less garbage than d44m.

I really wanted to go to the scream choir but I was working. Shit would've been pretty dope.

Except that no Final Fantasy was ever good.

>what happened to that fucking laser sword hayden had at the end?
Doomguy had it back in the Phobos gameplay trailer.

technically in Christian theology, demons - including satan himself - have no real power, only agents of God do
hell is a punishment for ALL its inhabitants, not just the human souls, and their only ability to influence the mortal world is through lies and temptation, because misery loves company

Wrong retard

if angels are really enemies/bosses in doom eternal i hope they go for biblical depictions

Early humans co-opted the imagery from alien visitors but didn't actually understand it.

>back on the menu
>we X now
that's a yikes from me

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They are obviously going for the cyborg and robot theme for angels.

somebody get this hothead outta here!

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>Doomguy gets the Rebellion/DSD
>Dante lugs around a BFG
>my dick when

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I'm kinda hyped for this game, what the fuck

>aliens

They're demons

For fuck's sake, Left still hasn't finished his part ?

Retard.

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Except D44M did either well or acceptable in all of these things. Its level design well lacking is also still better then the city levels of Doom 2.

>when you realise the reason doomguy gets a sword is so he has enough of a moveset for smash

Based and Enochpilled

shit opinion

>Hell
>I'm gonna convince you to do some bad shit
>Hey man, sin ain't so terrible

>Heaven
>I'm going to nuke your city for doing bad shit
>Sinners on my Earth? Gonna flood the entire thing

He's not really wrong.

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Wait, so now the Doomguy and Doomslayer are single person?
Faggot.

New doomguy is black.

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I hope the boss fights are alittle less crap in this one. Cyberdemon was solid but it just sorta made me sad since it means he might never be a normal enemy based off how they did his lore of being man made and shit. And the Guardian x 3 was garbage and SMM was just a big life pool that should've died twice as fast.

Brainlet retard

he can't be black because he is canonically related to bj blaskowitz (and commander keen)

Sounds like Hayden.

He has black skin in the trailer though.

video gamey bossfights with health bars and closed arenas and scripted attack phases are shit for doom

Did you see BJ's creatura daughter?

It's not heaven, looks like the Shrine to himself that evil not!Optimus Prime made

Not an argument.
Curious how you think Heaven/Angels are less cruel and punishing than Hell/Demons in the goddamn bible.

Jesus drowned a bunch of (unpossesed) pigs after forcing them to be possessed.
God nuked an entire city and punished his holy servant's wife for looking back at it.
The flood? Job's entire ordeal just to prove his faith? Abraham nearly murdering his son just to, again, prove his faith until he was stopped at the last second by an angel?

The worst Lucifer ever did in the entire bible was try to convince Jesus to give up on his fasting.

???????????????

>christian cross on top of the building
>not heaven
huh

>The worst Lucifer ever did in the entire bible was try to convince Jesus to give up on his fasting.
Book of Job

>Wait, so now the Doomguy and Doomslayer are single person?
Yes. But also no; Doomslayer and Doomguy being the same person is just a "fan theory", unless they can say it's non-canon like:
They'll probably kill Doomslayer eventually, which is why they want them to be separate, at least in name.

You're a disingenuous cuck. I won't even tackle your slimy retardations.

it's gonna be robot angel demons
hayden is gonna be god

>BUT MUH CROSS
Just shut the fuck up already holy shit.

Ugly moron

>that one autist who wants this to be heaven and doesn't want it to be Hayden playing god
lmao

Hayden is not the villain in this story. Look at the mural and then look at the trailer.

so far, looking at the footage we have, Eternal seems to have thrown closed rooms out of the window. safe to say that they know what they're doing

Because you can't.

It's not a christian cross, it's clearly a syncretic symbol made between the christian cross (which has no meaning in Doom anyway since hell is an actual dimension and as far as we know has nothing to do with actual judeo-christian lore) and whatever cult optimus prime has come up with.

Also it looks more like an Anglican cross than anything. And anglicanism was - what? A form of christianity invented by a King where he was the central religious figure, both spiritual and temporal authority on earth, king and pope.

Hayden has built a church to *himself* which is completely in keeping with his sin of pride.

this desu

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>In the poetic dialogues Job's friends see his suffering and assume he must be guilty, since God is just. Job, knowing he is innocent, concludes that God must be unjust.[39] He retains his piety throughout the story (belying Satan's suspicion that his righteousness is due to the expectation of reward), but makes clear from his first speech that he agrees with his friends that God should and does reward righteousness.[40] Elihu rejects the arguments of both parties: Job is wrong to accuse God of injustice, as God is greater than human beings, and nor are the friends correct; for suffering, far from being a punishment, may "rescue the afflicted from their affliction" and make them more amenable to revelation – literally, "open their ears"

Not Satan's doing man.

Im pretty sure we won't see anything related to church.

...

SEETHING Satanist
imagine being triggered this hard by Christian symbology
dilate and cope harder tranny muslim atheist kike

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>force you
>overreliance
git gud faggot

Based and redpilled, fellow theologicalposter.

okay heretic

Little zooms zooms think that nuDoom is somewhat comparable to DooM despite being nothing mroe then a cheap knockoff of painkiller, and not the good ones. Marketing telling them that it's some hardcore oldskool fps does the rest to put the retards into a frenzy over it.

the entire thing is caused by Satan, and done by Satan. God just allows it to happen. This is the general rule of thumb in the bible except situations like you already named, where God is directly punishing/afflicting people. Bad things happen to people not because God does it, but because God allows it, for educational and long-view purposes.

It’s a big padding issue, and nearly every fight in NuDoom uses obvious setpieced arenas with multiple waves, as opposed to spacing out each fight over cool level design. Imagine cutting the original Doom levels in half and just spawning more demons each encounter.
Also helps poor consoles: The longer you’re in one area, the more they can prep them “MEGATEXTURS” for the next area.

>a Christian would totally love seeing heaven be represented as bad guys for in a vidya game to be brutally killed like random mooks
Thank you kike, very cool.

My problem is that it doesn't take skill to do a cinematic execution for a health pinata

It IS Brutal Doom.

thats a bad thing?

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why is NuDoom mod community so dead?
I want more custom maps.

I played through the Ultimate Doom last month in DOS with classic controls just because I could

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Doom has some interesting interpretations of theology and i'm interested in seeing where they go/if they ever even touch on angels, who are implied to exist in Doomguy's backstory. Doomguy himself is depicted as something of an Old Testament style avenger.

As a christian I like seeing Christian theology in games because i'm not a precious little snowflake like the Hindu's, I don't cry every time there's a fucking depiction of Father or Son. A good thing too since these depictions tend to be hackneyed punching bags or needlessly subverted.

He also has at least some control over Doomguy's suit, which may be why it was upgraded for Eternal.

>Little zooms zooms think that nuDoom is somewhat comparable to DooM
But its the other way around with retards like you comparing doom to doom 4 spewing out their bullshit even though noone backs them up and wants to listen to them bragging about doom being better tham doom 4 even though doom 4 was made to be competetive these days. If they were to make doom just like 1 and 2 with same graphics ect you would complain about it being retro garbage.

Satan merely suggests the ordeal in heaven to God. Job whiteknights God and goes through with it.

God literally caused all the suffering in Job's life from the day he was born just to prove a point that humans will put up with it if they can get a reward.

Satan did nothing but mock Job and debate philosophically.

Noone cares about custom maps cause they are shit and irrelevant. Everyone wants story.

>God literally caused all the suffering in Job's life from the day he was born just to prove a point that humans will put up with it if they can get a reward.
that's not the point of the story. the point of the story is that bad things happen to good people, suffering is as transient as this life, and suffering can lead to philosophical growth. It's purposefully styled as an extreme example because it's a parable.

Custom maps are the only reason Doom stayed relevant for the past 25 years.

>suck at normal gameplay
>guess I gotta do execution cause I'm a scrub
>wah why this game force you to rely on execution
git
gud

Even if you skip the cutscene kills, enemies continue to bleed health & ammunition.

It does though, there's a delay before the pinata effect begins after executing the glory kill and a further delay for the health shards to then settle on the ground before they can be vacuumed up, all projectiles in motion continue for the duration of the glory kill and you're immobile while doing them so you can eat shit immediately after exiting the animation or die hovering around waiting for the health shards to become collectible, it's actually very high risk on UV and up.

Everyone's played Doom you fucking faggot and it doesn't preclude liking the new one

>why is NuDoom mod community so dead?
Because there are no mods. Doom 2 stayed alive for 25 years because of the sheer variety of what you can do with it.

Projectiles are fast enough that they'll all be absorbed while you're in the animation, and no new attacks can be started while you are out of control.

Closed source.
Denuvo.
Megatextures.

proving christcucks really are low iq

Shotgunner charged shots and imp fireballs with a good arc are slow enough to get you on anything smaller than a pinky.

Shotgunners also have a range cap.

They removed Denuvo

The problem is that the bible also teaches that to ignore sin/suffering of others is also a sin in of itself and punishable by God. Jesus made this a point in several of his teachings.

Why is God exempt from his own rules just to prove a point? If men are not perfect and are to strive to live as holy as possible (to literally live up to being as good as Jesus, who is also perfect), then why is such sin seen as transient when committed by an omnipotent being.

The entire book of Job was written as propaganda for keeping the faith, so to speak, but it's also a large contribution to evidence that God is a giant dick.

dude you do realise that judging others this harshly will only get you dudged too? why you do it brah

>it's actually very high risk on UV and up.
At least up until quicker glory kills and the MW2-like commando perks, then that zipping around can actually help to dodge things.

I don't know about this. I just want to shoot demons and shit.

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>Doomslayers face is actually visible now
boy hes gonna do it

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dmc 3 lady is basically doomguy but less competent if you think about it

Nu-doom is fucking cringe
>DUDE SO MAD xD
I literally alt tabed and uninstalled the game when I got to the first upgrade and he beat the shit out of the upgrade bot. So fucking dumb. I'll stick to classic doom mods

seriously who the fuck hasnt played DOOM on Yea Forums?
playing that game should be a requirement before posting

Brutal doom is better than Doom. Oldfags should be gassed

>Why is God exempt from his own rules just to prove a point?
because God is already perfect by definition

Shut the fuck up cuck
>dude people should conform to MY tastes to post here, why isn't this place echo chamber enough?!!
Fuck off to r/eddit

you fuck off casual

sure is summer in here

>casual
You fuck off underaged souls nigger trying to fit in. DOOM is casual shit, especially classic doom
>secrets and health packs/ammo up the ass
>don't have to aim up or down to shoot targets literally platforms above you
>move at sanic speeds, only retards get hit
DOOM as always been casual shit for retards who couldn't play Quake or Unreal. Also literal school shooters and pedophiles are often linked with DOOM. Coincidence? I think not.

there were people in the trailer?

bait

>sure is summer in here and not r/eddit enough in here. wtf r/thedonald told me this place would let me force my narrative as much was I want!
Kill yourself tourist.

The Anglican cross. or Celtic Cross. Also predates Christanity.

I want DoomSlayer to have huge tits and a huge fucking ass please, thanks

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fuck off casual

>reddit reddit reddit!!
Jesus you're trying hard to fit in. Scale it down a little, okay? You'll make it eventually.

Angels are not more sacrosanct than Humanity.

If a Human kills all the angels then that is god's plan due to divine mandate.

Angels are god's tools not his people.

yeah it's easy to forget Christians just kinda claimed the Cross as their own when it was a symbol already before Christ.

>Fuck he's onto me! Better play the "high ground" in classic r/eddit fashion or just repeat the same shit ad infinium!
Kill yourself shill faggots. Nu-doom is shit. Series is irrelevant trash. Williams killed himself (lol) and Romero works in a gas station. Nobody cares

Flaming casual retard who can’t handle his hitscanners

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Retard

le maymay

Former Christian here. They claimed it because it was the tool of Jesus's execution.

Doom and d44m are two diffrent games.
Besides it isn't relevant in any way today.

>SHILL REDDIT FAG FAG FAAAAAG AAAAAAHHH
Seething

fuck off casual

>Series is irrelevant trash.
Now hold on there buddy.

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>Retard

You should probably look up what Angels actually are according to Judaistic theology.

In Judaism they're basically lesser guardian spirits.

In Christianity they're demoted to basically carrier pigeons; Humans are higher on the divine order than even metatron.

looks like some shitty plastic overwatch map
this is cool though

It's actually unlikely the Romans used a cross crucafix to kill jesus.

But the Cross is a simple geometric pattern that has been used for symbolism for absolutely forever.

>Besides it isn't relevant in any way today.
It continues to get user-made content regularly. nuDoom is only being talked about again because there's a new one coming out.
inb4 "none of those community wads count!"

stop replying to bait

current christian (lapse) here, yeah no duh m8. But it doesn't even occur to most people it was a thing before Jesus' crucifixion

>can't look up or down
AHAHAHHAA casual faggots.

Cope.

Irrelevant as fuck. You desperate nigers are even BEGGING for smash representation just to get more attention. Embarrassing.

Judaism is heresy. I wipe my ass with Talmud.

>In Christianity they're demoted to basically carrier pigeons
>Humans are higher on the divine order than even metatron.
You're a retard.

wtf is this shit
why does his amor indestructible?
bull fucking shit

I think that's the point. The Angelic designs are the most clean future stuff possible.

My god....

I hate nu-doom, they made it too cartoony

>>Little zooms zooms think that nuDoom is somewhat comparable to DooM despite being nothing mroe then a cheap knockoff of painkiller, and not the good ones.
lol look at this faggot

human tech look utility and cool as fuck
angel tech look like some W40k religion dog shit

Nigga what part of "Made in god's image" and "Given the gift of free will" do you not understand?

Angels are literally tools of God. Humans are his CHILDREN. Your favorite Hammer is not worth more to you than your Son.

To them it's not a matter of what was likely or not, it's in the book so they go with it. I'm just saying why they decided to get into it, not that it didn't have meaning elsewhere.

Most people don't care, it's not relevant to their interests. But you're not wrong though.

that nose

nu-doom sucks. It's just an arena shooter with qte to kill enemies. Is anyone unironically excited for more of Beth's trash doom? This thread has to be shills.

how can one be this misinformed?

>cant pistol start UV max
>cant handle glassy guys that shoot him
>advocates shiny 90’s tech demos instead (priorities revealed)
>claims irrlevant series while bumping replying to all these boomerfags
what even the hell are you doing

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They saw how interested people got into Brutal Doom and developed this market-tested safety net.

>this seethe and cope
>this bullshit nobody cares about
Lmao Nu-doom is easy shit and so is classic doom. What are you even doing retard? Play Quake or Unreal. Oh wait those take skill never mind.

Don't tell me what to do

>lack of bosses
That’ll get better from where you currently are. The bosses are all in the second half of the game.

You're spouting gnostic human worshiping heresy. You're not godly. You're a piece of shit and you should humble yourself. You're not above anything in your current form. You telling humans would be free to slaughter angels is fucking demented and beyond heretical.

And Sons of God are not "tools". They have a will of their own.
You're a retard. An actual fucking retard. And you don't know what you're talking about. Go rub shoulders with your fellow kikes.

I mean I quite adore judaeo-christian mythology. The idea that the King George translation is the absolute definition of christianity makes me laugh heartily.

Especially because even from the Council of Nicaea proves Christanity is at it's core a political tool forged from the philsophy of an idealist trying to tackle Paganism eclisping the power of a supposed all powerful god.

why don't YOU get the fuck out of here you zoomer faggot go die

>the angels are ALSO murderous evil that Doomguy kills

Oh my

maybe one of the only tripfags that isnt a retard

have sex, with me

Still betting it's just Hayden.

>Christianity is at it's core a political tool
Perhaps the same could be said of all religions.

I'm calling it now. Doomguy is actually the resurrected Christ.

Go fuck yourself you braindead, ignorant heretic.

>angels say all life should exist
>ultra pc about demons
>get mad you kill demons
>become hypocritical and try to kill you
>you now get to fight angels
one can only hope

Screen-cap this

They are going to make DOOM/Quake share a universe, where hell is at odds with the Lovecraftian nightmares/horrors which plague the Universe in which the Strogg conflict and arena space battles occur. So the primary setting is future space with race wars and brutal entertainment (Quake Arena bloodsports) the behind the scenes and mythical aspects of this universe are in conflict unbeknownst to virtually everyone. This will create a multifaceted shared universe with many potential crossovers and interesting stories.

sounds gay

Maybe humanity does need a savior such as Christ.

Go glorify yourself some more you prideful piece of shit.

>ignorant
Shove your gnostic "knowledge" up your ass retard.

>tech demos
>skill
>slow as fuck unreal
>quake ie strafe diagonally the game
Form more opinions solely from zoomtubers please

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>It continues to get user-made content regularly
And how is this being relevant in the bigger picture.
lets be honest the only good thing that comes out of doom are new games.

Are you a baptist or some kind of Catholic?

The main POINT of Christanity is it is inately more gnostic than Judaism and Jesus's followers purposefully needed to twist his word to make the papacy make sense against Jesus's inately gnostic point of view.

Or are you forgetting Jesus didn't perform miracles due to being the Son of God, but due to being a pious man?

Jesus's teachings are inately submission. How else is the Good Samaritan, a Heathen, a better man than all the rabbis and clergy?

>Caring about post id software Doom
>""""""lore""""""""

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Im not even going to try to explain anything to you.

>Catholic
hey, don't lump that newfag /pol/-wannabe retard in with us

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>Or are you forgetting Jesus didn't perform miracles due to being the Son of God, but due to being a pious man?
Yeah you're already burning in hell.

>energy cage thing
I don’t recall that, the ending was just Hayden using the tether tech thing to send you somewhere else. Probably hell

But this doom is developed by id software.
Lore

>/pol/-wannabe
What the fuck are you talking about retard?

Your petulant crying isn't going to make your ignorance turn to knowledge.

Jesus himself says that anyone can do these things if they truly believe.

Doom Eternal is coming out sometime this year or next year

hey lore fags. every single wad ever made is canon

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Your gnostic "knowledge" won't save you from fire.

In the Doom '16 lore, they do mention that DSlayer got his strength and super speed from a seraphim, and what also seems to fuel his ability to literally punch health packs out of enemies is also of divine origin from the same set of lore entries.
It'd be interesting if they do pull that Bayonetta 2 kind of thing. He's empowered by a divine, opposing faction to take on the demon hordes across time and space, and then in his subsequent adventure is raging against the faction that granted him his superpowers.

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I'm calling you a proddie fucking shit, and I'm calling a fedoratipping idiot
I'm catholic, and I don't get offended by fucking video games

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Barlowe aesthetic is true kino. Expedition is one of the greatest art books I've ever read

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Do tell me, How am I burning in hell?

The Story of the Good Samaritan is one of the most core points of Jesus's teachings.

A man who is not only not of god, but actively worships his own gods, will be allowed into heaven because he is a good man who acts good towards his fellow man.

This is the core point of Christanity; Your mode of worship or even the fact that you DO worship is entirely pointless because you cannot bribe god with fanaticism. Going to church more than somebody else does not make you a better christian if you're still a horrible asshole.

Hell; you sound like a smoothbrain who thinks Jesus wasn't obviously influenced by non-Judaistic philsophies like Bhuddism and the Vedic works.

Sorry, but Council of Nicaea was pretty silly in stripping away almost all the real teachings of Jesus to ensure Christanity can be used as a political formal religion instead of a gnostic philosphy.

>I'm a third world Catholic

It explains why you think worshipping the church somehow a way to get into heaven. Do tell me how indulgencies are christian.

>ignoring all of the crosses

I don't think it's heaven I think it's the upper royalty ranks of Hell

>Muh proddie vs Catholic

Probably the most Hilarious case of not seeing the forest for the trees ever and goes against the teachings of Jesus to a tee.

I bet you think Jesus wasn't a secularist.

I would mark the fuck out if Doom Eternal ended with Ranger walking through a slipgate and meeting Doom Slayer and setting up a Quake (1) reboot

>third world
oof
>Samaritans worship their own gods
big oof

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>dude Angels and Demons are both evil lmao
Yawn
So unoriginal

>Turns out the Old Gods were behind Hell being a shithole in the first place

I'm not a protestant you potato.

>I don't get offended by fucking video games
Neither do I. I just choose not to give money to filth.
Anyway that wasn't what this conversation was about anyway. The retard I'm replying to is Luciferian in his nature. He downplays Christ and worships the common proudly human.

Buddhism is Babylonian trash. Yeah, you're burning in hell indeed.

>all the dumb goyim in here debating the morality of cheap knockoff kike religion which is equivalent to spiritual communism and cucked the white man out of his ancestral god, culture and ethnic unity
remember to visit your bildeberg approved church every sunday and pay up. YHVH is most certainly your god, no word of a lie here. please dont pay any attention to jewish internal tradition where goyim are racially satanic by default and satan was never the deceiver but merely the gentile chieftan god.

What community has Doom 4 built? What content does it get?

OW and NuDoom really made me realize I completely underestimated the sheer amount of people that ACTUALLY take this shit seriously.
And funnily enough it has the same amount of effort as ‘94 stuff, nothing’s been cooler than the end of episode 1.

>cheap knockoff kike religion
Based fucking Paganigger not even aware that Talmud was written after the New Testament and that the common Jew doesn't even live by the old Torah.

Go praise Odin you useful fucking idiot.

Oh yeah, I forgot Samaritans are a secondary Judaistic religion.

Still considered Heathens by Judaism proper though.

>Bhuddism is Babylonian trash
Bhuddism borrows heavily from both Vedic and Hellenic Philosophy you fucking retard.

Also

>Luciferian
>Because you're gnostic as Jesus intended.

>I bet you think Jesus wasn't a secularist.
"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar, render unto God that which is God's" does not mean "separation of church and state" you fucking champagne socialist. It means the affairs of the mortal realm are unimportant because "my kingdom is not of this earth".

Gnosticism is just islam for white people
see: mormons

But that's exactly what it means you retard, because the situation Jesus literally says that quote is about why Jesus's disciples should accept the Roman state.

If Jesus was telling people that the Roman state was unimportant and needed to be subjugated under theological rule why would he literally state there "Render under Caesar what is Caesars"

If Jesus was demanding the State be a theology he'd literally be Muhammad. You are literally arguing Muslim points, do you know that?

>Subjugation before god
>Clergy to rule material earth
>The Prophet ( jesus ) is a divinely infallible.

That's fucking Islam.

>Bhuddism borrows heavily from both Vedic and Hellenic Philosophy
All hailing from Ancient Babylon with their mystery teachings. I spoke to Hindus and they happily admit this.
Shove your eastern mysticism up your ass.

>Because you're gnostic as Jesus intended
What a disgusting shithead you are. Gnostic snakes are pyre.

So you don't know what both Islam and Gnosticism mean.

Gnosticism is thinly veiled Satanism.

Wait. Hold the fuck up.

Judaism also fucking stems from Ancient Babylon, and both Vedic and Judaistic philsophies draw from Indo-European ideas and structures.

What is your fucking point? You're arguing that Ignorance in the face of God is somehow the most pious path.

Which is the exact opposite of what jesus teached.

a-are we gonna go to heaven in this

Angels as enemies? Thats retarded. Doomguy is a christian.

>thinly veiled Satanism
so like Islam, and Mormonism

even hdoom

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>you can see doomguys face now
Way to kill the character you retards.

its not even a fan theory at this rate
The thing is
The Doomguy became so powerful over eons of demonic slaying that All realms fears him, Heaven itself fears him because he became the embodiment of vengeance and justice for the innocent, id wants to tie his exile in Quake 3 by stating that all powers sealing him there to Keep him locked.
The Slayer hunter is someone well known in the franchise that hates him

>Catholics don't understand what Gnosticism is.
>Get angry and call it devil worship and Islam

Gnosticism draws from the Greek principle of Gnosis, which means knowledge.

Gnosticism is literally learning more about the divine to in turn become closer to god.

Fuck me why are the beaners so stupid about Christanity? You can't pray your ignorance away.

>god is evil
where did you get that from in the video?

youtube.com/watch?v=HCktk22btNk

we better not be fighting angels that just sounds dumb doomguy wouldnt hurt them because they arent demons

So:
>wolfenstein.fandom.com/wiki/Harbinger_of_Doom

>A man who is not only not of god, but actively worships his own gods

Samaritans are basically an ancient splinter Hebrew group who became culturally distinct due to following an alternate version of the Torah. So, it's the same god just with theological divergences.

More or less.

>Judaism also fucking stems from Ancient Babylon
Yes modern Judaism is Babylonian filth. Talmud is the most disgusting book ever written.

>Ignorance in the face of God is somehow the most pious path.
Jesus is sufficient. You're advocating for fucking Buddhism and daring to spout that it influenced the Lamb of God. Disgraceful. Disgusting. Again, shove your occult mystery religion up your fucking ass.

I'm not a Catholic either. Heretical "knowledge" and trinkets won't bring you closer to god. Eat from that tree all you want you're still burning in hell for it.

>Catholicism is for beaners only
>reddit spacing
>muh greek paganshits

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>Muh Greek paganshits
How the fuck can you realistically say that while being a catholic?

Catholicism is literally more Greek Paganshit than Christanity.

explain

So let me get this straight.

Jesus was a magical superman who came to earth for no real reason and all of his philsophy must be ignored because we need to worship Jesus and never once begin to try and understand the world god made.

So you're literally a Muslim but with Jesus instead of Mohammad.

Do you not understand the point of the bible that says Jesus traveled the lands and learned from wise men?

The point of Jesus was he was God as a man, not God PRETENDING to be a man.

anime website, you redditor

>separates Catholicism from Christianity

mistaking the trinity, veneration of the virgin Mary, and sainthood for paganism is a classic symptom of muslim brainlets

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wait a second here... Jesus was god? he is the son of god though?

Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit are all one, but also separate and make up the trinity.

Catholicism is based around the Worship of saints and the trinity.

But not the judaistic form of worship, which is subjigation. It's based on the Greek form of Worship known as patronage.

Catholics pray to saints of a particular field and give power to the papacy, so the saints and papacy may share their divine power with the catholic.

Why do you think Catholicism utterly hates Gnosticism? Because Gnosticism robs all power from blind faith and forces the pious to be educated.

Catholicism ultimately is a holy pyramid scheme.

Nowhere did Jesus say "hey go get into that Buddhism shit my brethren" you demented piece of heretical shit.

We have to get rid of the demons!

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>Catholicism is based around the Worship of saints and the trinity.

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Jesus was God, who became Human to partake in the Human experience.

Which is the core point Catholics often ignore, because they worship Jesus as a demigod.

Nowhere did he argue for any direct faith either; Christanity was formed AFTER Jesus died. Jesus was a man foremost, a wise learned philosopher, who was also God.

I see you ignored the point where I said it's a different form of Worship to avoid dealing with the truth.

Do tell me how indulgences work to gods plan though.

How can the Pope speak for god any more than anyone else?

>only catholics hate gnostic fucking shits
>n-now come over here goyim lol lemme teach you these super secret wise amulets that will make you as god!
Filth.

>Nowhere did he argue for any direct faith either
He advocated the faith in God the Father. He who is not with Him is against Him. Love Him with all your heart.

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Jesus wasn't a fucking preacher period you fucking mongoloid. He spoke Philsophy.

Also

>Heresy
>A concept made by a church that has no bearing on the word of god

>Catholics don't worship Jesus as God
what the fuck are you smoking fampai
>Nowhere did he argue for any direct faith either; Christanity was formed AFTER Jesus died
He argued for Judaism you retard, because he was a Jew
Admittedly, it was Essene Judaism, and it was applicable to gentiles as well, not purely ethnic
But you have to stretch insanely far to pretend that the 2 billion Catholics on the planet don't believe the Son of God is also God

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So Jesus wasnt a man he was god himself? does it say thiis in the Christian bible?

You're worshiping the mystery whore of Babylon. Your disgusting kin has been trying to corrupt His teachings for far too long. I can't wait for your judgment.

>He spoke Philsophy
This is like a stealth fedora lmao
Dude fuck off

OP is a literal viral marketer. He's paid to post a link to twitter.

What the fuck does any of this retarded shit have to do with fucking Doom?

some retard at the beginning of the thread said there's no heaven in doom

>Catholics ignore the words of Jesus
>Instead just worship him as an idol

And this is why Catholics are some of the most intellectually stunted people in existence and the only Catholics of worth jump this hurdle.

If you can't handle philosophy why are you even a fucking christian?

Some fedora tipping hippy piece of shit got triggered because he projected his new age religion onto Jesus and peopled told him to go fuck himself.

That doesn't answer my question

You wouldn't need glory kills is you were good and didn't run low on health. There's plenty of health packs, and ammo, spread throughout the maps. Health and ammo drops are a way to add variety and decisions to the combat.

He argued for a judaistic interpretation of platonic values.

Even the most basic bitch Christian Scholar knows Jesus was educated in Greek Philosphy and his teachings are applying Greek Philosphy to Judaistic history.

Alright boom boom, go back to now and let the BIG boys play some Doom (2019).

>Catholics pray to saints of a particular field and give power to the papacy, so the saints and papacy may share their divine power with the catholic.

That's completely wrong though. The divine power comes from God. The Saints are just inspiration or asked for in prayer as intermediates before God, they aren't actually the source of anything and aren't worshiped as deities of themselves.

>Why do you think Catholicism utterly hates Gnosticism? Because Gnosticism robs all power from blind faith and forces the pious to be educated.

You're looking at Gnosticism as a theoretical "pure" ideal, when it was anything but. The historical Gnostic groups focused a lot on a really complex heavenly hierarchy that often put "God" as either a minor deity or an outright malicious demiurge.

Gnosticism also always had an element of "chosen ones", with Christ supposedly only revealing his true teachings to a chosen few above the apostles (like Judas or Mary Magdalene depending on the Gnostic sect and their books) and some interpretations outright claiming that only a some people have souls while most are just material beings that will disappear. In fact, Gnosticism always has this disregard for the world, since it values the "idea" above it, with the physical reality being basically a prison for the soul or already part of hell, which is a pretty negative world view.

basically lucifer

>New age religion

You know Gnosticism stems from the very start of Christanity right?

Fuck me do you not even know how theology works? It's not word of god you cretin.

I'm not a Catholic. And you're still going straight to hell you Babylonian adulterer.

I'd be done for some old school expansion packs desu.

>literally post proof contrary to what you just said
???
>Even the most basic bitch Christian Scholar knows Jesus was educated in Greek Philosphy and his teachings are applying Greek Philosphy to Judaistic history
What the actual fuck? I'd seriously like to see a single source on this, never in my life have I seen any evidence that Jesus even spoke Greek, let alone knew their philosophy. The first person to get involved was the Hellenized Jew St. Paul (who was Saul) who broke ground in the preaching of the Gospels to the gentiles instead of preaching primarily just to Jews

Phobos was where dooms first episode took place

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Trying to mush eastern mystery garbage and shit like Buddhism into Christianity stems from new-age movement and seeing how we're living in the current year that mentality definitely influenced you.

Flee and repent or burn.

technically christian demons are angels that fell from heaven so hard they landed in hell and decided to party down there so hard that even the heavens can hear their "FUCK YOU GOD, WE DONT SERVE YOU NO MORE".

>It plays slow as fuck.
>he plays on I Can Win

He's a Babylonian adulterer. There's no redeeming him in his current state.

Wow I didn't know Doom 1 took place outside of Mars itself, very cool.

Mithra-worship, Neoplatonism, and Manichaeanism also appeared at the same time as Christianity, but nobody except fedoratippers argue they're the same

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Good, you're actually starting to argue the cons of Gnosticism instead of crying about semantics.

Gnosticism has a wide net, like alot of early christian philsophy detached from any formal clergy.

Alot of the issues you pointed out are Gnosticism took root in Persia and those ideas are from Persian theology and philsophy like Zorostrainism.

Also there is the matter Gnosticism often has heavy stoicism values in place, which often leads to the "Physical existence is pointless only spiritual knowledge matters" idea that is unhealthy for philsophical growth.

Honestly, most gnosticism has become as contradictory as any other christian theology, bogged down in ignorance which is against what it's name suggests.

Jesus was a learned man, and it says so on his travels.

>Dude just remain ignorant and prostate yourself lol