Baldur's Gate 3 hype thread, rumors floating around that it may get announced on the Google Conference today.
Personally I'm doubtful since even the filename of the video on Larian's website says "Sunday Funday" which is coincidentally when PC and Microsoft conferences are happening.
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>Larian
Dead on release
>larian
Will we get dragons with jetpacks and hasmter knights? XD
>Larian
Literally the best game ever
>GO FOR THE EYES BOO!
Wrong baldurs gate so I don't care. Let me know when it's dark alliance III
Why name is Baldur's Gate 3? It clearly can't tie in to the original 2 Baldur's Gates, that story is completely done. This is just an unrelated Forgotten Realms adventure, it might as well be Neverwinter Nights 3.
>bg fags are so bored of their shit franchise they can literally only talk about divinty or poe
It’s going to be shitty generic 3D turn based garbage, what is even the point of making it BG
Delusional.
only 4 hours!!!
>It’s going to be shitty generic 3D turn based
we donut know that yet
So we can have woke issues
>rocket knight featuring boo
id play that shit
but user what abou the epic references!!!!
What could go wrong, you ask?
>Turn based but to 'make all actions feel equally important' everyone is always restricted to only 4 AP
>Item and level scaling is completely fucked and scales exponentially so you need to replace every single one of your character's items every single time you level up.
>You-Enemy-You-Enemy round robin turn based combat - Even if your party of high initiative character ambushes a pack of snails the snails will somehow still manage to retaliate before you get a chance to attack them
>Increasing your stat and ability levels do nothing except add 5% damage
>Secondary health bar armour system that completely negates most spell and ability effects unless the target already is on the verge of dying
>Bloated stats and armour system means CON and other defensive stats are pointless; character building is simply maxing nothing but your primary damage stat
>Supposedly an explorable/open world, but due to the aforementioned level scaling you will always be railroaded into progressing through the areas in the same order on all of your subsequent playthroughs
>Shoehorned (and mostly useless) crafting system which requires you to systematically open every single container so you can loot fifty thousand different crafting components and miscellaneous materials
>Food and potions are mostly useless because their effect doesn't justify the in-combat AP cost due to the 4AP restriction
>The town guard, the city's stray cats, homeless lepers, and other thieves will all unite to fight you to the death if someone sees you steal a carrot but it's okay because all cRPGs must have thievery
>Positioning and choke points are negated by nearly everyone having in-combat teleports, blinks and jumps
>Respec/stat redistributions for the entire party are free and removes all sense of consequence and progression when building and customising your character(s)
It won't be on Stadia conference and I don't know why you idiots would think that, especially since the video fucking says "SUNDAY FUNDAY".
yikes
>epic references!!!!
Larian better bring back the Golden Pantaloons
Also to further reinforce the Kraken Society and tying back to the Balduran ship.
>CS_Ship_Kraken_A
In the CSS of the website.
What do you guys think about, how to say, non ordinary companions? Companions you can't replicate as the player character yourself and are rare in the setting. Off the top of my head like Shale from DA:O, Javik from ME:3, Rhin, the little girl from Numenera. I guess Viconia and Haer'dalis also count to some extent but they don't have classes unique to themselves
Also if anyone wants the music, it's under:
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Don't care too much about the specific details, I just want a wide array of companions to choose from
you forgot that there's no consequence to anything, the world is completely static
if you kill every guard on Fort Joy everyone will just stay there and cry as if they can never leave, when they literally can
not to mention pic related; you can take a 2 minute swim and you're free, there are no guards on either side of this place
so much for being impossible to leave
>you forgot that there's no consequence to anything, the world is completely static
>if you kill every guard on Fort Joy everyone will just stay there and cry as if they can never leave, when they literally can
Just like BG games you mean? Faggot.
why are you guys complaining about a possible turn based system?
It's literally superior to muh rtwp trash which never works, I don't even know who thought of that shit originally, you translate the combat system of a turnbased tabletop game to digital format and think, hey I'll unnecessarily change it to this retarded system instead.
Even pillars 2 implemented turn based mode 'cause they knew rtwp is a dead format that should never have even been invented.
Where the fuck would they go? You took the only ship and the only things outside the Joy are a death swamp and that's literally the only thing outside the Joy.
Love that shit.
Shale is one of the few reasons I endeavor to replay DA:O.
People escape the fort all the time though. Fuck, there's even a twelve year old kid in the seekers' camp.
Because rtwp is better in every way
>battles are 10 times faster because everyone acts at the same time
>people don't stand around like retards taking turns one after another
>more tactical and more possibilities
Distances and scales in video games tend to become weird if you look at them too literally
For all we know the 'two minute swim' could cover a span of shark filled waters that'd take several days to swim across
Is it also an issue that it takes 5-10 minutes of real time to walk across the entire island?
OH MY GOD, an insider at larian.
Why can you just leak so many infos about a game we know nothing about? :^)
It's an island you fucking idiot
>more tactical
Confirmed for never being in the army.
>Is the gay click and faggot SJW version
>Not the cool action RPG with co-op on couch
Fucking kill yourself.
Because being in an army is closer to turn based than rtwp
>Larian
>SJW
Try being a poser somewhere else, your brain is eroded by memes.
>I'm doubtful since even the filename of the video on Larian's website says "Sunday Funday"
they fucked up huge on the original which had a ton of leaked info in the html that they removed, including WotC and BG trademarks, and I believe the original file was titled "BaldursGate_logo_III_retouched" before they changed it and removed the leaks.
Amazing so they can chose to swim in the death swamps with no way to get off the prison island or stay in the shelter with no way to get off the prison island.
High IQ
It'd be pretty hilarious if that all turned out to be part of the ruse and it actually was Divinity 3.
A DEN OF STIIIIIIINKING EVIL
I wouldn't mind a Divinity 3, I have no interest in Baldurs Gate and DnD as both are pure garbage and always were.
the original makers of Baldur's Gate announced a third entry back in the early 2000s before it got shitcanned by Interplay. I'm sure they can find any number of ways to tie it into the same universe. The game was never titled "The Bhaalspawn Saga", after all, and if you want to be pendantic about it you should probably be complaining about how Shadow's of Amn was still called Baldur's Gate II despite having nothing to do with the city of Baldur's Gate.
>The game was never titled "The Bhaalspawn Saga", after all,
It might as well have been. All games and DLCs associated with the series were about that single saga. There were no standalone separate stories.
Yes I know, I'm the one that pointed it out originally.
It's not a ruse because including a WotC trademark without being affiliated is a crime and they'd get sued into oblivion.
Kind of sad these used a golem model instead of a unique sprite, like an homage to Power Armor or something.
3½ hours until we don't learn anything new at all since the Thursday announcement lining up with the Stadia announcements simply was a coincidence
>yfw Baldur's Gate 3 is exclusively for Stadia and runs on the Intellivision Amico.
Every Final Fantasy game is titled the same despite taking place in different worlds with different characters. Same with Dragon Quest, and many other franchises.
Epic will pay a fortune to make it their exclusive game in Epic Store
>BG3 ends up being Stadia exclusive
please don't even joke about something like this. we're being monkeypawed enough already as it is.
yo, how long to go?
Are you blind, nigger?
see
Some of these are legit criticisms but some are quite dumb.
>everyone is always restricted to only 4 AP
4AP is the default but there are numerous mechanics to gain more AP.
>Item and level scaling is completely fucked and scales exponentially so you need to replace every single one of your character's items every single time you level up.
Yes this was probably the most annoying bit of the game.
>You-Enemy-You-Enemy round robin turn based combat
>Increasing your stat and ability levels do nothing except add 5% damage
>Secondary health bar armour system
These aren't great but they're not dramatically bad either. I mean DOS1 had a lot more stats which did more things but it still ended up being primarily about maxing Speed, and instead of armor bars you had a CC spam fest which was also based on RNG instead of this binary system.
>you will always be railroaded into progressing through the areas in the same order
1. No you're not, if you know what you're doing you can change the orders, though not in any possible sequence. 2. This isn't a bad thing as the alternative is lame Bethesda-tier autoscaling which ruins progression completely.
>crafting system
Probably another attempt at fixing something from DOS1 but without knowing quite how - crafting weapons was OP in the first game. Still, crafting arrows for instance is quite useful.
>systematically open every single container
Agreed that this is annoying, but you can just buy most components if you don't feel like looting all that crap.
>Food and potions are mostly useless because their effect doesn't justify the in-combat AP cost due to the 4AP restriction
Already explained that you're not restricted to 4 AP.
>all unite to fight you to the death if someone sees you steal
Actually, you can go to prison?
>everyone having in-combat teleports, blinks and jumps
The mobility options are great and made combat a lot more dynamy than OS1 though, especially with the added verticality.
>free Respec
Don't use it then?
Baldur's Gate 3 will be turn-based, I'd bet my life on it
Div: OS and 2 did very well on consoles, and PoE when they came to consoles had turn-based modes in place
they're not going to risk losing the console audience
Based consoles bringing turn-based incline back to RPGs.
>*DING* *DING* *DING*
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Beamdog is guilty
Not Beamdog making this though.
Also reminder that Beamdog was making BG3 but was shitcanned by WotC after SoD travesty and bad press.
Also reminder that Beamdog's BG3 was going to have an Illithid Lawful Good Paladin companion.
>Beamdog's BG3 was going to have an Illithid Lawful Good Paladin companion
Gonna need some sauce on that, chief
Its an island you collosal idiot.
You cant leave without a boat. Thats the entire point of fort joy.
Theres guards fucking nowhere besides the important admistrative buildings. They essentialy let the prisoners organize themselves and hope they kill each other.
I'm still pretty peaked for it. But sea theme is so fucking boring. Unless it is like, Atlantis BUT EVIL
I kinda want to give os2 another try, oc or premade companion?
As a premade, you get slightly more info about the character since normally, companions only allow you to see/help them with their personal quests starting from Act 2 onwards.
So actually playing as one of them gives you extra content in first half of the game and encourages basically redoing the first half with all of them.
???
how does this even make sense,is beamdog literally retarded?
>is beamdog literally retarded?
Yes, yes it is.
Why do you think WotC sacked them?
We've known for a fact that Beamdog was making BG3 and that the project got cancelled.
WotC clearly didn't like what they saw so they cut Beamdog off and went to Larian.
And before anyone disputes his status as Paladin and Lawful Good, that's the Symbol of Helm on his sword.
Torm, not Helm, sorry.
Helm's symbol is fist facing other way around and with an eye on it and he's Lawful Netural.
Torm is the Lawful Good one.
>We've known for a fact that Beamdog was making BG3 and that the project got cancelled.
>WotC clearly didn't like what they saw so they cut Beamdog off and went to Larian.
Dodged quite a bullet there.
Still not sure if they bite another.
Theyll obviously do both.
Theyll do turn based because thats actually good.
And theyll do RTWP to appease the fanbase.
Its not like doing RTWP is hard when you already have turn based, the reverse is harder.
RTWP is basically just a real time implementation of the turn based DnD ruleset.
Something you can in theory already do in OS2 if you dont trigger combat, any abilities are castable outside of combat and Combat rounds are equated with fixed real time intervals.
>Haer'dalis
I don't think I ever killed a party member faster than him and that elf buzzard cunt.
Also this was another companion in Beamdog's BG3.
I can't even tell what fucking species is it supposed to be.
It's not Kobold and it's not Dragonkin, what the fuck even is it supposed to be?
>Illithid paladin
holy shit.
Is it retarded? yes.
Is it also great? yes.
Illithid paladins are a retarded idea, but i would like to see illithids in heavy armor and generaly doing more different things than wearing absurdly high collars.
I could see this sort of shit happening in Eberron, not exactly in the realms tho. Besides some obvious "a wizard did it" stuff like Polymorphing into an illithid, swithcing minds with an illithid.
Or that one concept that was brought up in a splatbook that illithids are dealthy afraid that at some point an illithid grub thing will eat the brain of a human but inherit its complete personaltiy and essentialy be a double agent.
Why
And some location vista from Beamdog's cancelled BG3.
>actually defending the concept of Lawful Good Illithid Paladin
Go away.
Its obviously a dragonborn sorcerer.
As long as I can play a druid or shaman ill be happy, DoS was shit for roleplaying.
>Dragonborn
I forgot about this garbage 4E fanfiction.
Could be some kind of were creature
i dont, i just realy like the concept art.
Its somehting i wouldnt expect from beamdog since most of their stuff is utterly bland and thats the opposit of bland.
Thats somethign i would expect out of NWN2:MOTB, not a canceled beamdog project.
Its obviously a retarded idea. But its a great piece of artwork and a hillarious idea.
Core race in 5E :^)
and please.
3.5 is the edition of freakshit half-ogre half-angel half-gnoll halfleves.
4e tried to make dragonborn a normal race like humans.
5E decided they needed more deviantart
$$$
If it gets us a high production D&D RPG I don't really care,the market of that is pretty thin right now
Thankfully Larian doesn't like exclusives
my man
>not Champions return to arms - returns
jumping was a mistake
*cough* *cough* *ting* *ting*
Beamdog is a guilty of a number of different crimes. Here are the major ones.
1. The Enhanced Editions are essentially a collection of free mods that had existed for nearly twenty years. Beamdog gathered them all up, slapped "Enhanced Edition" on it and resold it as a new product. There's very very little in the Enhanced Editions that wasn't already out there, and most of it is stuff you don't want (like obnoxious character outlines).
2. The games didn't sell so well and the originals were still far outselling them, even twenty years after their release, so Beamdog had EVERY digital distributor stop selling the originals and ONLY sell the Enhanced Edition. If you want to buy a digital copy of the originals now, they're "bundled" into the Enhanced Edition. Now these scumbags can claim sales from people just wanting to buy the originals as their own.
3. The infamous 600+ bugs on launch. The game is still riddled with bugs (as even a perfunctory glance over their forums show) but the fact that it took nearly two years for them to get a game that had been working fine for 20 years to reach playability after launch is telling of their wild incompetence.
4. This is where we get to the ones that really piss people off. Beamdog couldn't just remaster the game, they had to fuck with the content too. New dialogue for existing NPCs like Jaheira, Viconia, Safana, Kivan, et cetera was written in to make the characters more progressive and leftist friendly. Beamdog shills will argue that "adding content isn't changing content XDDD" but it is when the new content changes the core personalities of the existing characters. This is in addition to adding a slew of their own LGBT (hitherto there were none in Baldur's Gate) NPCs, all flooded with OP attributes and magic items to encourage people to play them despite their cancer.
5. Siege of motherfucking Dragonspear.
>Kraken Society
sea-based and tentapilled
Dragonborn are from 3.5.
Black Hound was going to be a completely original story not related to the original as well, I don't see the problem as long as the city of Baldur's Gate is in the game.
Lizardman?
based and beamdog pilled
No they aren't.
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You're thinking of Dragonkin which are much bigger, bulkier and have wings. Those are 3E (not 3.5E).
Having actually played Planescape (P&P) before I played the game, he reminded me of a retarded NPC that'd go to one of the Prime and act superior to the locals before it eventually ended with him being sacrificed to Umberlee.
on a serious note, play LOTR war in the North.
Its basically the spiritual sequal to Dark alliance / Champions of Norrath but with a LOTR paintover.
The gameplay is essentialy identical. THe locales are a bit more drab than in the older games and theres less gratuitous tits, but the LOTR atmosphere is GOAT
Only 3 characters tho as a con, no drizzt as a plus
Dragonborn are from 3.5 races of the dragon supplement, retard
No I'm not you dumb shitter.
Maybe we'll get something as silly as Lavok's sphere? XD
I hate 4E with a passion and 5E is just a shittier 3.5E
3.5E is peak D&D for videogames, I don't give a shit that it's bad in PnP.
Well shit, I stand corrected, never heard of them before 4E.
theres a gorillion of different dragon races in DnD.
But this is definitly a Dragonborn from 4E and 5E.
Dragonborn DID exist in 3.5, but they were some realy weird shit, if you were a devoted of bahamuth, you could unbirht yourself and turn yourself into an egg and emerge as your Scalesona.
It was realy weird and nobody liked it. Dragonkin is something else entierly, they are chromatic dragon.... something beasts.
Then theres Draconians from Dragonlance who look kind of like Dragonborn but explode on death.
And then theres the half dragon template from 3.5 because thats what 3.5 was about. Dont let any pseudo grognard tell you that it isnt.
I don't like LOTR
>3.5E is peak D&D for videogames
Must be why all the good games using it were only good because of non-mechanical reasons and all the ones that are reliant on its mechanics are garbage.
Dragonborn in 3.5e were fun though
Except plenty of people like NWN, IWD2 and KotOR for gameplay you autismo.
The reason why 3E/3.5E works in games is because all the excess of rolls and calculations is done for you by the game, which is also why it doesn't work in PnP because it takes half a day to finish a single fight.
Glad you added the battle mobility removing tactics, I suggested last time I saw this!
Also another annoyance I had with os2: retarded persuasion system, where the strength/wits/finesse etc was actually irrelevant as a start check, and it was pretty much a pre determined win or lose with the occasional increase or decrease in difficulty, that simply checked your persuade skill and NOT your relevant core stat, but more so a flavour for the style of response you are gonna use - which should have been named ANYTHING other than a stat you have.
So wits persuade done by a guy with 3 persuade but a fuck tonne of wits would still fail, compared to a wits check by a guy with fuck all wits but 4 persuade because the check had nothing to do with wits, but was meant to imply that it was a smart ass response, which an uptight guard won't like, and you'll auto fail, or a jokeater might like and the pass requirement is reduced by a hidden amount.
That system was gay.
Also where was the rock paper scissors with your co op buddies?
And nowhere did it really explain the bullshit system.
>Except plenty of people like NWN, IWD2 and KotOR for gameplay you autismo.
Those people have shit taste. IWD2 is one of the worst D&D games I've played and almost all of it is on it using 3.0 rules. KotC and ToEE are both mediocre at best despite everyone else jizzing over them.
>Draconians from Dragonlance
Best boys
>the guy in history class that asks why the slaves didn't just jump off the boat and swim to freedom - while crossing the ocean
Sounds like you're a contrarian little shit, get gassed
Gimme ps-t style party members, where they are ALL unique any day.
And he just straight up ignores that the sea has Voidwoken in it.
Sounds like you can't back up your opinion. Masturbate to games that can be broken by something as simple as casting Web and where party strength is determined by how many casters you have more.
You hate 4E because everyone does. Mostly people that havent actually played the damn thing or got turned off by the presentation. Ive run 4E as a DM and its great.
But its not simulationist.
The actual problems 4E has is that combat takes too long. Its Final Fantasy Tactics the PnP RPG, and i swear if it wasnt marketed as DND, /tg/ would be sucking its cock harder than a romanian hooker.
Its true that 5E is just shitter 3.5.
But that mosty means it shares the same problems. Mainly a lack of options per turn for martials, an over reliance on magic as a problem solving device and Vancian magic meaning that not only the entire game balance hinges on how rests are managed, but that some characters will need to recharge more ofthen than others.
I still see no way of solving this in the framework of 3.5 esque games.
But those problems will remain forever because during the reign of 3.5, players got so entrenched in their ways that DnD is forever associated with it. forcign everyone that doesnt like it to take refuge in their OSR neckbeard dens.
I hope it still has 6 man team, at least BG2 number of classes/kits and companions from those classes. One of the strongest point of BG and IWD to me is the all the party combinations you could have
Also except for shorties getting save bonuses, class limitations and drow magic resistance, races didn't matter much in BG, did they?
I don't need to back it up, the universal acclaim that KotOR, NWN, IWD2 and ToEE get is all the proof I need.
Stay mad.
>hey, remember that old game that you love and cherish
>15 years later we're gonna take a massive shit on it, tarnishing it's legacy forever
everytime with this "dig up and old gem and make a sequel"
Better than 5E dragonborn for sure.
They got a tragic backstory, their weird appearence is justified by beeing a weird warrior slave race and they have an excuse for suddenly popping up.
Tho, i dont like the wings part. THat always felt on the nose, i know that only one subrace actually ahd wings.
Basically id only make Bodaks playable, Bodaks were the footsoldier ones right? the ones that were human sized and tended to explode.
Who cares about the opinions of retards who don't know what they're talking about?
Did they announce information at all? Will it be based on adnd? 5e? Or its own rules
You fail to understand that people LIKE how broken 3.5E is
baldur gate was trash lmao
planescape>cucks gate
looks like a Dragonborn
they were too much of a 3.5 ism to me.
over complicated backstory or later game character option.
and their aesthetic (which ok, doesnt realy matter for pnp) was awfull.
The "retards" are overwhelming majority, nobody cares about you grandpa, ever considered that maybe you're just the contrarian imbecile that nobody likes? Lmao.
Worst part is that it's very much possible it's going to be like this, Larian didn't learn anything from D:OS and made D:OS2 much worse mechanically.
You also forgot
>Dozens of lootable items that do nothing at all and can't even be sold
>5 dialogue choices for saying the same "yes" but with more or less window dressing
>Fucked up economy that forces you to steal for the sake of game "balance", and you can steal only once with each character
>You're free, if not encouraged to kill anyone after you're done with their quests since you have no real influence on the game world and nothing you do matters or changes the game world and your run
>Obligatory list of completely useless perks and abilities
>Different races are defined by a single combat ability and maybe a useless perk, they're all statistically identical and behave in the same exact way
I dislike BG and D&D based vydia, but Larian isn't going to make it better judging by their portfolio.
Pretty sure it actually does check your stat. OS2 is weird like that, it has hidden stat checks that it doesnt tell you about.
Such as when you remove the mind maggot from that one woman at the hedge-doctors house near the graveyard.
It constantly checks your dex and wits but it doesnt tell you that it does that.
When it comes to story, sure
When it comes to gameplay, hell no
5e is what will kill this game.
You forget that BG3 won't run on an OC ruleset so Larian has no say in the matter, it will be 5E because it's forced by WotC.
You're a fucking retard.
I never played dnd
whats wrong with 5e?
Sharks beaching themselves on the shore because they are so scared of the THINGS in the sea was kino as fuck.
also a nice forshadowing to Arx Harbour
i always enjoyed that. It depends on the nature of them tho, they are easy to do wrong, but when right they got great impact.
A large cast of companions to choose from is probably one of the things I want the most, but sadly both of Larian's Original Sin games have had relatively small casts (4 NPCs in the first game, 6 in the sequel).
Party dynamics are one of the most efficient ways of making your companions feel like actual characters, but thanks to the FULLY VOICE ACTED meme I wouldn't be surprised if the amount of characters is lowered to remove the need of writing large amounts of specific dialogue and to save money on voice actors
Yeah or you could just not be a bitch
cucks gate gameplay is absolute shite though
It's 3.5E but worse, but it won't tell you much sicne you know nothing about D&D and D&D is not something that can be explained in a single post, even 3 posts at full charcount wouldn't scratch the tip of the iceberg.
it has it's issues like anything does, but it's the best version of D&D to date.
>Larian
>5e
It's a simplified 3.5 with too many front loaded multiclass combos.
3.5 HP levels while damage is barely higher than AD&D's, shit class balance, shit skill system, customization is a farce.
i do, thats the entire reason Pathfinder exists.
Which is arguably an even worse bloat than 3.5, mostly because its fucking compatible.
It also showed when Paizo tried to make Pathfinder 2 and people REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEd
I find that funny tho, Paizo realized they trapped themselves in forever making new splatbooks for 3.5, to the point they made a new game (Starfinder) to implement thier own ideas.
My point is not that people cannot enjoy 3.5. My point is that DnD is forever doomed to never progress beyond it.
Because third edition and its derivates was the first big DnD boom. Meanwhile, both OSR fags and 4rries have a hateboner for 3.5 and it probably lead to the "Have you tried not playing DnD" stock response on /tg/.
>Because third edition and its derivates was the first big DnD boom.
Wrong. That would be Basic in the 80s.
It actually (well, all the super crunch games) work way better as a video game because the automated system does away with having to flip to page ## to find the fighting-in-a-shallow-stream-while encumberd rules.
But after playing 5e for sometime I'd rather not go back to that. That and I think Owlcat can scratch the 3.750 itch better than Larian if need be.
Hopefully the combat is turn based and tactical, like Dungeons and Dragons, and not RTwP.
Its a combination of the worst things from previous editions.
its 3.5 clunkyness, but without its options.
its 4es HP bloat without its tactical depth.
its older editions lack of character options without its focused gameplay.
And it uses Forgotte Realms as its primary setting which leads to shittons of retarded retcons that nobody needs.
I currently enjoying with DOS2 Definitive Edition, and everything is true sadly.
Pillars of Eternity was better game overall, too bad its flopped and we will never see PoE3
>You forget that BG3 won't run on an OC ruleset
You forget that Larian's "OC" ruleset for their D:OS games is just a severely watered down D&D ruleset down to the very same touch spells, don't kid yourself, they even pushed a Mordenkainen reference in 2.
If Pathfinder castrated the original tabletop ruleset with no repercussion Larian can and will do the same, it's not like BG didn't do the same thing either, especially in the side games like Dark Alliance.
dunno, before my time, then it was the second DnD boom.
I guess people that played dnd in the 80s either didnt stick with it or -> OSR grognard cave
That or 3.5 fans are just the loudest with the most media reach.
People playing ADnD and BECMI probably only played with their friends and stuck in their communities.
I dont know what the reason is, but 3.5 appears to be the "default" for dnd. Maybe the video games are at fault, what do i know.
And yet, 3.5/3.75 will remain king simply because people like the broken shit.
Also another problem that most people don't seem to realize that nobody actually does cookie cutter shit in PnP sessions because that's not fun and if he tries to do it he'll most likely get kicked out of his local PnP circle.
While in videogames, the system allows you wide variety of "runs" with both broken overpowered shit and underpowered shit for challenge playthroughs and whatnot.
The beauty of 3.5E/3.75E is precisely in how broken and imbalanced it is, it's not a PvP e-sports system. It's a system that is all about variety and unironic fun.
I've run dnd games since og dnd and adnd.
In order from most enjoyable to least enjoyable it goes:
5e
2e/adnd
3e
1e
4e
3.5e
4e felt like a board game with ludicrously high hit points etc.
Like seriously, in the very first intro adventure there is a goblin lord with like 5hundred hp or some shit.
5e went a long ass way toward simplifying shit down again, especially after pathfaggot and 3.5
It felt like a return to the 2nd Ed boxed sets of basic dnd. I preferred it a bit more during some of the dnd next trials, but to say it is worse than 4 as a ttrpg in any way is to be deliberately contrarian.
It would have made a decent crpg, but then wow already exists.
Eldrith did nothing wrong, Dark Alliance 3 now.
And to further elaborate, where you see bloat, I see variety and choice.
Nobody forces you, your friends and your GM to go with the bloat, you can only use the things you want. Nobody forces you to shove in every single fucking race and species and class into your campaign, in fact who the fuck even does that?
>watered down DnD
>enviromental effects
>abilities for martials
>interacting status effects
No it isnt you stupid sperg. It references several DnD spells because Larian is a bunch of nerds, but the system works nothing like dnd. The closest thing it does to DnD is how opportunity attacks works. And even that actually works different.
You realy want to pull off stuff like the enviromental interacitons? Get ready for 3+ hour combat sessions and a seriously stressed out DM.
>Pathfinder castrated the original tabletop ruleset
Pathfinder is extremely faithful to the core rules you autist, almost to the point where you cant make it any more faithful.
>5E/2E fags are turbocasual normies that can't handle all the options and variety
Spot on.
>And yet, 3.5/3.75 will remain king simply because people like the broken shit.
I don't. Incursion isn't made better because I can take a massive steamer on the game with no effort just because I picked Druid while picking Monk means I get to drag myself through broken glass, fuck that. The classes and content between those extremes are consistently the best.
There is less customization and it's streamlined to a fault but desu a lot of people bitching read the play test then never left PF or some 3.5 varient.
I guess you refer to Keep on the borderlands? Theres a goblin with 68 HP.
That was the original problem with 4E and it took a damn long time to fix it.
And the fix was never official, hence why is ay. the absolute biggest problem of 4E was the extreme HP bloat and the large difference between Monster and PC design leading to boring combats. This was mostly changed with Monster Manual 3 and Monster Vault.
At that point the damage was already done and 4Es attempt to change the combat system and empower martials was forever doomed with the association of that system and the ensuing reductio ad hitlerum. "What you want a dedicated mark and punish mechanic? Just like Hitler did!"
I understand where you come form with the Boardgame aspect. 4E is not very simulationist, its a gamist system, it focuses on the combat and lets everything else be freeform. While 3.5 was very non freeform while the combat kind of fell apart due to rules bloat.
>WoW
its final fantasy tactics not wow, come on, thats fuckingcheap.
>5E
i get that you think that way, the simplicity of it probably leads itself to gameplay closer to older edition. But the high HP certainly dont, and the focus of the official material isnt nearly as much on actual dungeoneering. Also group play sucks in 5E. it has the same problem that the Wizard does everything and the fighter sucks his thumb for a bit.
But im not gonna pretend im some oldfag grog whose into that sort of gameplay. So yeah, you do you. But for me, 4E is absolutley better than 5E, both have rules focused almost only on combat, but 4E is much easier to run as a DM and encourages group play way more.
Ah yep I checked wiki, and they reduce the threshold by one point for every four your stat is higher than your opponents.
Which doesn't really mean shit when you get lore, examine a common baker and his stats are flat 26 all round!
>Like seriously, in the very first intro adventure there is a goblin lord with like 5hundred hp or some shit.
Keep on the Shadowfell is the worst adventure for 4E, period.
Im aware, i DM myself.
Kind of one of the reasons i dislike 3.5. Theres a lot of material to keep track of.
My issue as a player (provided ia ctually get to be a player in anyhting than 5E or obscure german RPGs these days) is that i like to play martial characters but also having options on my turn.
and no "just roleplay your attacks" isnt an option.
Hopefully its better than the dullest RPG of all time. Each attempt Obsidian makes to create their own universe rather than simply deconstruct a setting made by others, has been more disastrous than the last. Aside from the outdated gameplay and lifeless cities, Pillars of Eternity's only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of combat mechanics, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.
Perhaps the die was cast when Sawyer vetoed the idea of making anything at all innovative or original; he made sure the game would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody, just ridiculously profitable nostalgia pandering to ageing Baldur's Gate fans. Pillars of Eternity might be anti-casual(or not), but it’s certainly the anti-Divinity series in its refusal of spontaneity, fun and excitement.
>a-at least the writing was good though
"No!"
The writing is dreadful; the narrative was terrible. As I played, I noticed that every time I engaged in dialogue with an NPC the game presented me with a Wiki-page style infodump instead of anything resembling actual human conversation.
I began marking on the back of an envelope every time this was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Sawyer's mind is so governed by obsession with pointless minutiae of the lore that he has no other style of writing.
Later I read a lavish, loving review of Pillars of Eternity by the same David Gaider. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kiddies are playing Obsidian games at 17 or 18, then when they get older they will go on to enjoy Dragon Age II." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you play "Pillars of Eternity" you are, in fact, trained to shill for Bioware.
You do realize Obsidian isn't allowed anywhere near this right? And yes I know it's a pasta.
As far as I'm aware that quest is the only one with actual stat requirements
There's a book in a different quest that gives you a recipe if you have both the Scholar and Mystic (I think) backgrounds, but I'm fairly sure those are the only 'gameplay' uses those tags have
Not much.
The fags crying about it are usually stuck on their preferred edition, or are just anti dnd contrarians, mad cos it is a popular system.
It has some minor flaws, and like any dnd it has class balance issues, but it isn't a fucking competitive pvp game, so balance is minor.
It is, in short, probably the best edition of dnd yet, and is the one you should pick up if you wanna try dnd.
it was written before people properly understood how 4E works. Leading to a giant dungeon with very little enviroment stuff like traps, but a huge number of encounters of meatshield enemies, making the entire adventure a huge slog.
Trust me, i ran it, its awfull.
in Arx there is a space where, if you have enaugh wits, you can smell deathfog and it leads you to Queen Justinia.
but yeah those checks are few and far between
I loved DM'ing 4e at first, but eventually I started to dislike it. I think I loved it because of how MMOish it felt, but it just lost the appeal for me. My players never connected with it though. Mind that I have dm'ed ad&d, 3e and 3.5 with them.
>Theres a goblin with 68 HP.
This was bad but it's not as bad as 5E's bloat. Lost Mine of Phandelver's ogres are worse because PCs do no fucking damage when they're not using Great Weapon Master or Sharpshooter and they have far less access to opportunity attacks and off-turn actions than 4E PCs do.
>class balance is irrelevant
no it isnt.
the problem is not beeing competetive, the problem is a few classes having so much going on for them and a few others having so little going on for them that there are literal trap options.
The issue realy is a fundamental lack of teamplay in DnD. Clerics healing people is usually the highest extent of it.
and since opportunity attacks were neutered positioning of fighters became mostly pointless too. with the most "OP" Fighter build beeing "a guy that you cannot run past"
It essentialy becomes a game of geek the mage.
THATS the balance problem. The balance problem is not "class X does 3 damage more than class Y", its "Class Y does 3 damage and class X trivializes the entire encounter"
Aw are you guys serious? I fucking loved DoS2, was one of my better experiences playing games. There was a ton of content and the combat system was a blast. The only thing that I really disliked was the final boss, which was either stupid hard or easy as piss.
4E requires a lot of engagement from the players side.
One of tis greatest weaknesses is how freeform it is in any non combat situation. to people who are used to previous editions, anyhting not resembling combat is going to feel realy bare bones unless they are realy big into roleplaying.
And those Skill challenges just blatantly dont work. I never found a way to integrate them into the natural flow.
>MMO
i think what you mean by that is teamplay. 4E has dedicated roles, most importantly the leader and the defender.
The MMO comparison isnt fair tho. a Defender is not a tank, a tank forces his enemies to attack him, a Defender punishes an enemy who doesnt, the difference might sound superficial but it plays out very differently.
Leaders are also not healers, only the cleric is, the Warlord is still my favorite class in any DnD edition.
The Idea of a guy who does nothing but create openings for his friends and let them attack off turn appeals to me. It realy makes you feel like a Big Brain
kind of my point. Of all the things 5E kept from 4E, its the one part everyone hated.
>unironically running stock modules
The absolute state of OSR and 4/5E crowd.
tfw no illithid gf
As long as they don't make it as slow and tedious as OS 2 then I don't mind. I don't like the constant pausing but watching my dude spend 5-8 sec for using a spell for the 9000th time makes me want to kill myself
No you dont understand.
Old thing good, new thing bad
It's a good game despite its many flaws
I dislike it because a majority of the said flaws originate from design decisions made either towards the end of the development cycle or despite Larian's feedback and experience from their previous game hinting towards those choices not being a good idea
It could have been THE perfect game, but ultimately it wasn't
WOTC would make them use 5e wouldn't they
So why is Swen in San Francisco?
For the E3 you moron.
>despite Larian's feedback and experience from their previous game
But a lot of the flaws are attempts at fixing shit from the previous game.
Everyone maxes out speed -> take AP out of stats entirely.
Crafting weapons was OP -> now it's shit.
Combat was a CC fest -> new armor system makes it more focused on damage numbers.
I don't know what was the point of making initiative and turn order so shit though.
Stfu you retarded nigger.
Why the fuck did EVERY ability in os2 need to be so goddamn flashy?
Wanna hide?
>big puff of smoke bullshit, and sparkles.
Taunting?
>shriek so hard, a massive ripple burst out of you while you shapeshift into a massive glowing version of yourself for a second.
Stabbing a nigga in the dick?
>spin your blades until they explode into colours, jump sisteen feet, stab the guy so hard, a rainbow shoots out his japs eye.
In os1 you just bopped cunts.
Was way more realistic and so much less... Try hardish? Adhd? I dunno. Combat seems too over the top in the second one.
And everyone is a fucking super saiyan, given how much they zip around the place.
Los Angeles is well known for its lack of airports
The Larian artstyle in itself has been ugly overdsigned WoW-y over the top for a while, having overly flashy animations is probably consequence of that.
>I don't know what was the point of making initiative and turn order so shit though.
Because during the closed alpha combat was a long string of either your party alpha striking all at once or the enemy alpha striking all at once.
My nigga. Underrated game
What's the countdown for and how much longer
Nah, why 4e is mmo is simple - powers.
Just picture them as having a little icon (that's hard to figure out) and a cool down timer.
You're basically playing wow.
In an effort to balance wizards, it made everyone into a wizard.
This might be the most retarded post I've read today.
Bg was always 3d, you could move in 3 dimensions and the game was modelled.
Bg, and all d&d, was always turn based. The turns were just never identified and dumb makeshift solutions like pause when turn ends had to be used.
Know what was a better game than bg, as much as I love the bg games? ToEE. And it was properly turn based. You absolute whiny obsidian faggots, forever butthurt that poe was trash and larian put out something that was of the same genre that was just better
>In os1 you just bopped cunts.
What the fuck are you talking about? The basic Man at Arms skills did shit like summon a giant fist to crush someone. It's the other way around if anything because I was surprised at how sedate most skills were until the very late game.
>dragons with jetpacks
I'm still waiting for Dragon Commander: Director's Cut.
>hamster knights
If they feed Boo a potion of enlarge and turn him into an actual giant space hamster like in the BG comics starting Minsc, then why not?
clarity i guess.
with the zoomed out top down artstyle its easier to see whats happening.
Also its turn based so they can show off their animation team.
Yeah for sure, but despite the giant arms/tiny heads of 1, it had way more down to earth effects. And lacked over the top shit for basic things like taunting (you tap your shield) or back stabs. (you stab them instead of glowing like a dick head)
Always liked this. Bonus points if they also get abilities other PCs can never hope to gain.
t.never played 4E
Powers dont have cooldowns. Or you dont know how cooldowns work.
Powers work like many class features in other editions work, such as Barbarian rage, superiority die or spell slots. They are limited either per encounter or per day.
A cooldown is something that resets after a set number of turns, not at the end of combat.
If you realy hate the idea of mechanical abstraction like only beeing able to pull of a stunt only once a fight.
How do you explain Barbarian rages beeing limited per day? How do you explain 5E battle masters superiority dice?
Its the same thing but as a central mechanic rather than a class gimmick.
The graphics effects are way flashier in two.
Maybe it's down to the class, but particularly the select a skill effect.
Like when you click on your ability, the character does a whole fuck load of sparkly glowy bullshit.
It is annoying.
The abilities with "uses" was very MMOish, although we used some 3.5 books with similar mechanics. I can't remember more details, as this was long ago and I moved abroad, but I remember really wanting to love it and it just didn't work out. I didn't get to try 5e.
I'm playing through Dragon Commander right now and It feels like it really just needed a "enhanced/definitive" version like the OS games got.
>Know what was a better game than bg, as much as I love the bg games? ToEE.
No. ToEE needs far better encounter design for me to even attempt to consider it better than BG. It has too many garbage bugbear/bandit/ogre shaman fights and not even close to enough spellcaster fights with real spellcasters and not some ogre that can cast Bless.
I've run practically every edition.
Face it, 4e is the mmo of dnd.
Yes they fucking are like cooldowns, yes they do feel like hotbar abilities from a video game.
Fighters have "powers"
Lol. Some nigga gonna hit another nigga, except this time he will use his "fist of the dingle Berry" attack. But only once this fight.
Lol
lol some nigga gonna get real angry, but only 3 times a day LOL
Fuck off sperg, you havent run anything and never will.
>the character does a whole fuck load of sparkly glowy bullshit.
OS1 did that too. Either way, OS1 is the game where fighters jump around while exploding into flame, summon giant fists from the sky to knock enemies down, and create glowing cones of light.
Fortunately, the genre of top-down dnd CRPG never relied on cutting edge graphics or groundbreaking gameplay so there's not as much incentive to do something really new to cater to a modern audience and completely lose track of what made the original(s) good. I'm not setting my hopes high as I doubt it can be as good as BG2 was, but it's not completely impossible either.
Alright, well I guess they both suck then.
My mistake
Sorry, I'm all out of replies.
Only have 2 per encounter.
Encounter design or not, the fact is it simply plays better than bg does. It feels better in every regard, and you've got more freedom. It's a lower level campaign than soa or tob too if I remember rightly, which is why there's less retarded caster fights with one very specific solution to beating
Actually the concept of Illithid Paladin isn't so bad. Illithids reproduce by ramming a tadpole up an unfortunate person's ear and the darn thing eats the brain and starts morphing the person's body into that of an Illithid. However, there is a method involving the victim's personality to be intact after its brain was consumed by the tadpole. The result was that a Illithid gained the personality, memories and essentially everything from the person it used to be. So an Illithid Paladin wouldn't be impossible, but probably a tragic character no less.
Yeah. There is a lot of cut-out content in the game. The strategy layer was supposed to be much more than it is now. There were supposed to be more potential love interests (the Imp Princess and an Orc one that also counted as a general). Also the PC's siblings would've been present and allowed for jet-pack dragon vs jet-pack dragon boss fights. Also there would've been more units including giant robots and much more.
What video ?
>It feels better in every regard
Definitely don't agree with that. ToEE felt worse to play almost universally to me.
>It's a lower level campaign than soa or tob too if I remember rightly, which is why there's less retarded caster fights
That argument makes no fucking sense. It's capped at level 10 by default, but that's still much higher than BG1, which didn't have this problem. When it's uncapped it can easily go to the mid 10s if you don't end it early, which is about where SoA ends up.
Im not buing it. Im not playing it. Im not watching it. Im not thinking about it. Im not hoping for it. Im not interested in it. Im not googling it. Im not trusting it. Im not liking it. Im not talking about it. Im not considering it. Im not buying it. Im not excited about it.
>They will fuck it up.
i belive codex over you ...
rpgcodex.net
What? Bg1 was capped at like 7 or some shit and for the majority of the game it had the exact same kind of encounter design, you didn't meet casters who were more than the most basic dumb shit for a long ass time.
>ToEE felt worse to play almost universally to me.
I dunno what to tell you then user, you're weird. ToEE is the best d&d video game implementation to date. Sure it could be much better, but it's still top of the pack of what exists. Bg2 is better in some aspects, but none of them are combat related.
The one on the Larian website, with the logo.
It's just a mp4 video on loop.
Filename is Sunday Funday.mp4
>you didn't meet casters who were more than the most basic dumb shit for a long ass time.
Funny way to say that you get ambushed by one who is serious business within the first half hour of the game and that the game is littered with caster encounters off the beaten path.
>ToEE is the best d&d video game implementation to date.
KotC plays noticeably better and has much better encounter design. I still don't like KotC much.
It's named Sunday Funday because that was the first day it surfaced on their website, you gibberling.
when the fuck is the news
stadia starts in just under 1h
well excuse me i'm not a neet who sits on his computer 24/7 and knows when something came out
>Sven liked a reply saying "Inb4 Swen reveals Half Life 3 as their next game. :P"
What does it mean??
soon
which stats should you prioritize in dos 1
Speed, speed and speed. Also speed.
Primary>Speed>Con when you're hitting the AP cap. Slot Perception in somewhere if you intend on doing ranged physical combat.
I think you're supposed to balance your main stat and speed until you've reached the point where your main stat no longer can reduce cooldowns or AP cost (I forgot which) any further and speed gives you excessive amounts of AP per turn
Once you reach the latter point you can put points into CON to increase your max AP
What the fuck was her problem?
>decades apart
>completly different developer
>modern design principles incongruous with original game's design
It will be baldur's gate in name only just like VTM:B will be vampire in name only
unfortunately this
And that's a good thing, because Beamdog would have ruined it for sure
>completly different developer
Still one of the best possible choices, who cares.
There should be laws against reusing old names this late.
youtube.com
Stream's up.
Nothing about BG3 at the time of writing this post.
>Stream keeps disconnecting
Ah yes, streaming video games is truly the future
whoa
lol guess they had to reuse this old ass concept art.
IT HAPPENED NIGGERS
just a teaser
Not even the same company.
uff good to know that i was not full of shit
wow its fuckin real
die shill
kill all shills
die jews die die die
stream keeps fucking up
Well shit, they showed it right away
It's gonna be Stadia exclusive isn't it
AHAHAHAHAHA
Well? What's going on you fags I can't watch the stream
>yfw you understood it's the flaming fist on the dude's armour
i missed it
what did they show?
>Stadia exclusive
trash bin it goes
>the website isn't up yet
Larian you hacks
>Streaming video game client
>Can't even keep the video stream stable
Ok. Is it truly exclusive? Is the monkey paw real?
SOULLESS
IS IT EXCLUSIVE?
A CGI trailer and a link to a website that isn't up yet
Some websites will probably put up previews soon, PC Gamer already put up a dead link to one
>cinematic
Ugh. The gayest shit in vidya industry. Any screenshots at least?
somehow i doubt that
*blocks your path*
>Dude streaming games is the future
>Can't even stream a video properly without crashes
Jesus christ, google
Bloodborne II??!?
Not sure what's wrong with you guys but my stream experience is flawless. Posting from Finland.
>gameinformer.com
it's based on 5th edition
Then I guess it's going to be turn-based rather than real-time FUCK
ah yes now i suddenly feel inclined to buy beamdog's great enhanced editions off of gog
well that explains the illithid paladin.
Illithids are the main badguy.
Neat.
Did they open the stream with BG3?
And now my interest is instantly dead. Fuck 5E.
it's FUCKED
>It's another Lovecraftian horror setting rpg
CGI trailer, nothing else, and a bit of PR blurb
>PC and Stadia are the only announced platforms for Baldur's Gate III at this time
>PC and Stadia
All cool lads
Did MCA tweeted that he's working on this game as well already?
>PC and Stadia
What are the main differences between 5e and 2e that baldurs gate 1&2 used?
>5th edition
WHY
retarded larianigger
it's 300% coming to consoles as well
Larian wants that Wow's old gods audience
>only announced platforms
You mean
>a screen and a controller
old good new bad
I know that but I missed the stream. Was BG3 the first game they showed? I'm surprised if that is so
>tentacles are Lovecraft
>It's been in development for a while - work was underway even before Divinity: Original Sin 2 shipped in September 2017 - but there's no word on when Baldur's Gate 3 will be released, and the only platforms Larian will talk about are PC and, wait for it, Google's stream-dream, Stadia.
>anything with tentacles is lovecraftian horror
Anime poster is a retard. Water is wet.
>expecting WOTC not to shill the latest ruleset
Were you surprised when Bloodlines 2 was v5
of the previous Baldur’s Gate was closed – it was actually closed, in a certain sense, in a tapletop campaign called Murder At Baldur’s Gate [where the murder of the original protagnoist triggers the action – ed], so that’s where it really came to its closure,” says Vincke.
What he can tell me is that “we are in the city of Baldur’s Gate, we’re in Forgotten Realms and stuff has happened in the world since [D&D’s] 3.5 edition. This game directly follows a new campaign called Baldur’s Gate: Descent Into Avernus, we worked very closely with them on that, and so our story continues right after that.” This makes talking about the game even more challenging, as Ascent Into Avernus isn’t out until September and Vincke doesn’t want to spoil how that story unfolds.
Everything.
>yfw EGS exclusive 1 month before release
A FUCKING OCTOPUS!!!!
>5e
its shit
>PC
"its gonna be stadia exclusive" people btfo
>ported faithfully, adapted as a PC game
maybe theres hope
>multiplayer expiriences
might just mean coop, but dare i say peresistant worlds?
>no comment on isometric
Are we finally getting the western Dragons Dogma that we deserve?
Also, are we gonna be the Illithid spawn this time? :^)
> I asked if Baldur’s Gate III would have turn-based or real-time-with-pause combat.
>“This is one of those interviews where we’ll be saying ‘We’re not talking about that yet’ a lot,” Vincke said. “When it comes to the combat system, we prefer to show it to people rather than talk about it. That will hammer it home. But it will still be some time before we actually show it.”
CHICKEN CHICKEN BAWK BAKW BAAAAAAWK
Different WoD game editions at least play sort of like each other instead of giving a completely fucking different experience.
How else would you describe the atmosphere of the trailer?
>Are we finally getting the western Dragons Dogma that we deserve?
Dragon's Dogma with a party size of 6 instead of 4 is all I could ask for
holy FUCK please make it happen
Do you really expect an answer to that question man
That is like 20 years of development
Kek so they literally took this project away from Beamdog and handed it to Larian?
>nothing to do with Baldur's Gate games
>calls it bg3
stupid zoomer lariancucks
>be little 12 year old me
>play Baldurs Gate 2
>it's fucking amazing
>reach Underdark
>have to clear out a whole cavern of Illithids and kill every single last of them
>read note on their plan to conquer the world
>dream of a game where they are the main enemy and you have to stop them
>knowing this game will never be
Damn bros this little teaser made me a bit excited, I have to admit
>5th edition
dropped
the faggot in charge of that will make cisquisition look like the 50s
I hope it's the former. Real-time-with-pause is fucking gay
Why do you guys hate 5e?
Wheres that info from?
Following on is good i guess, so its not too constrained.
Id alos like to popint out that Descent into Avernus is the adventure featuring Demon Mad Max racing.
With larian at the head of this, this could be a very strange game my dudes
so you're 13 now?
>“We started with a very rigorous port of the ruleset. Then we started looking at what worked and what didn’t work. Because obviously, it’s a video game, so not everything translates very well. We modified where it made sense to start modifying,” Vincke said.
One of the modifications: Misses from dice rolls. “The very obvious one would be that you tend to miss a lot when you roll the dice, which is fine when you’re playing on the tabletop, but it’s not so cool when you’re playing a video game,” Vincke said. “We had to have solutions for that.”
>no misses from dice rolls
Its dead jim
>"I'm so bad ass right now!"
When's the nuclear war?
Didn't they say that this was one of the games that they'd be releasing on release of the Stadia?
>Are we finally getting the western Dragons Dogma that we deserve?
Holiest of shit, please make it happen
Assblasted tranny supporter
They know there's too much to fuck up, so they're extra cautious, anons already spaz out about 5e.
At best they're going to go both ways, as it was in pillars 2 with optional turn-based combat, as the other user said.
Then there's the matter of writing, pacing and companions.
That was back when it was released user.
5E. Paladins Redeemed. Where is my fellows DPR KINGS at?
>no gameplay
meh
Because the system gave me one of the single worst RPG experiences I've ever been through in 24 years of playing RPGs and WotC hasn't done a single fucking thing to fix the issues I had with it since.
Holy fucking BASED
How do they do it?
>ctrl+f
>no ilithid
>no mindflayer
what?
youtube.com
Also seems like a pretty boring adventure if they are going with ilithids as the main villains, especially going after BG2 and ToB.
>has nothing to do with original setting
>no info whatsoever on combat and whether it's even top down or rtwp/turn-based
>uninspired speechless illithids as the antagonists
yawn
>opinions
Even CDPR is shitting on them.
How can wyte bois even compete
Literally this.
Teaser was very unhype
This but unironically.
buy bg 1 and 2 enhanced editions
LOL
kek cd projekt who dont want to show people gampelay beg for gameplay video
>damn this is epic, my head just turned into a squid, ain't that something?
gamers were a mistake
to be fair, how is that shitting on them
christ youre a as bad as video games journalists
remember where people complained about that?
Morrowind.
To me this sounds like its going to be real time action combat.
Maybe its real, maybe we can dream
>shitting on them
they are mocking people wanting to see gameplay, that's what the quotes are for
It seems like they are mocking the fanbase to me
>RTwP
THERE IS NO GRAPHITE IN BALDUR'S GATE
>ywn feel yourself going from a bearded hunk into a mindflayer through forced tf
Not if they let you become were-Illithid!
No but seriously, secret Illithid takeover is like Doppelgangers 2.0. Though if I get an Alhoon party member out of this I'm not going to complain.
Agreed.
Based Sven blowing nostalgiafags and boomers the fuck out
I dont think they have any gameplay yet
see ya in 3 years
HAHAHAHA
thanks for the boner based larian tf fetishists
Except they've shown everything they had about Cyberpunk2077 and got a lot of shit for it, while there are studios that would show cinematic, non-gameplay trailers while söyböys make up fanfiction about what these games are going to be like.
Eh, can you guys redpill me on Illithid boys ?
...will there be romances? I want waifus.
>Epic store btfo
Based and redpilled.
I never liked Divinity, and Don't like turn based.
Looks its going to be as Discovery is to star trek.
enjoy your hp sponge larian trash
Get fucked Sweeney
>not being Epic exclusive is something to be proud of
Ït's like poetry.
5e did away with many of the old modifier buffs in exchange for a simple and easy Advantage/Disadvantage system
THACO has been completely replaced
AC reworked
whole host of class changes and rebalances
feats are a thing (not a thing in 2e)
and much more
Nigger what. Pillars of Eternity received millions on "lol it's a BGclone" alone, and Kingmaker was successful enough to warrant an enhanced edition.
And what kind of mental dwarf had "baffling hurdles" to the concept of a lower score = a better score?
Best timeline.
3e fags only get mad about 5e because it demystified the system and allowed normies to get into it
WTF ITS A REAL QUOTE
What an arrogant statement.
THAC0 and lower values being better has not been a thing ever since NWN1 anyways as far as D&D games go.
It just serves to confirm my fears: the game is 100% going to be made for the zoomer audience.
Better stick with Kingmaker devs for more PF campaigns.
Well then, maybe I will check Baldur's Gate 3 out.
Glad its coming to gog too. But wow epic did epic pissed them off or something?
Who is their target audience exactly?
>Kingmaker was successful enough to warrant an enhanced edition.
More like broken enough to require a patch large enough to be labelled a new iteration of the game
It's a god-awfulg ame and you shoudlf eel very bad for ever recommending it to anyone for any reason whatever. Seriously, man. Jesus.
Haha how is thaco a "baffling hurdle?" You put new weapon on, the number goes down. I still have no idea what it stands for, to me it's just accuracy.
Once a long time ago in the future, they ruled the entire multiverse. Every single crystal sphere. They bred all the other races into a single race that best suited their needs, but this race had psionics which allowed them to rebel. Their entire empire was destroyed, so the survivors fled to the past. They're also extremely psionically powerful, need host races to reproduce, and they eat brains.
everyone who did play these games will buy it ... i did not want to be hyped .. and i feel hyped even though i should already know better
>teaser is out
>people already hate it
Why am I not surprised?
>literally NEXT YEAR argument
gotta concede it to him that THAC0 doesn't make sense
Larian hasn't made a single good game yet and all of their games have dogshit writing.
Who here just preordered Stadia to get exclusive copy of BG3 early?
On the plot:
>It builds on the material and storylines from Baldur’s Gate (1997) and Baldur’s Gate II: Shadows of Amn (2000). Murder in Baldur’s Gate, a 5E D&D playtest module, is a launching point for Larian’s story, and in the events in that adventure result in Bhaal, the God of Murder, returning.
>not being an epic exclusive is a legitimate feature now
I'm maximum HYPE. I just hope larian doesnt fuck up the writing and goes back to the good shit AKA Dragon Knight Saga quality and not DivOS terrible writing.
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this looks more fun honestly.
That's interesting.
The sept module is the players starting in bg and descending into hell.
Name one bad Larian game.
Except very few bugs are being addressed, and it's being sold as being primarily additional content.
Least intelligent post I've had the displeasure of reading this entire day and I've been sitting in these thread for eight hours now
>>>/rpgcodex/
>Murder in Baldur’s Gate
Yea Forums's gonna freak.
beyond divinity
The game design philosophy expressed through the tidbits posted here are MUCH more worrying than whatever the teaser was. And I get the same vibe of "You don't think you do, but you do!" mantra repeated by other game companies I've grown to dislike.
>from Spiders
oh boy another action rpg open world trash
Old good new bad.
But in seriousness people complain about 5e being limited when 2e was far, far worse is beyond retarded.
Anyone know what this sign means?
>bg
>move in 3 dimensions
???
BD was jank but not entirely bad.
i honestly do not like the fact that hey killed the protagonists of the two games this way... but oh well
>MUH LEFTISTS
you need to get off of /pol/, kiddo. no wonder you're an unemployable effeminate incel.
that said, literally who gives a fuck about the enhanced editions. you can still pirate BG1/2 and download tutu if you want to. paying some random company $10 so i can play BG on my cell phone is fucking great and something that my 13 y/o itself would never never imagined back in 1998. kys
This is a sequel in name only, right? Throne of Bhaal ended the series in a pretty concrete way.
That said I don't know if Larian can be trusted to handle a sincere and serious plot since they have issues with not parodying everything like in they've always done in Divinity.
Reading comprehension, ffs.
No, I'm mad about 5E because it's wall to wall shitty design decisions.
They'll probably do something like miss = some minor damage like other systems, e.g. 13th Age, do. (Basically a glancing blow)
It's the defense/avoidance stat, stands for "to hit armor class 0", in other words a positive number increases your chance to be hit while a negative decreases it. When plate mail drastically lowers you thac0 while leather armor does almost nothing to it should be enough to learn how it works.
>Not D&D based
>Not isometric
>Made for normies on Stadia
>"We want everyone to play BG3"
Don't get your hopes up.
No, it begins with the Bhaalspawn's death and Bhaal's rebirth.
It's supposed to take place 100 years after the events of the first games
Interpret that however you will
As long as it isn't exclusive to stadia...
The stupid Bhaal fanfiction is completely inconsequential to what Baldur's Gate as an experience was about. Any pretext to adventure will do. In fact, we have a chance for something less stupid than "ooooh you're the son of a deth godd omg angil or demom woooooow".
>the Bhaalspawn's death and Bhaal's rebirth.
What?
Lame.
You know there were 3 editions between 2E and 5E, right?
Bhaal has apparently returned in some way. Oh and your epic journey of BG1+2 was for nothing, the protagonists die unceremoniously off screen or something a few years later. Anyway, have some octopus head villains buddy.
It isn't.
probably some faggy cult that worships squidheads
Wow, truely the hero we need but don't deserve.
kys
>Baldur's Gate core plot has nothing to do with Baldur's Gate
It’s really not, it’s intuitive and leaves room for the table to interpret the rules in ways they find fun. I think people forget that games are supposed to be fun sometimes.
RTwP is a terrible combat system.
Absolutely based
>Baldur's Gate 2
>no Baldur's Gate
wtf bioware
Making Illithids the main antagonist is a fucking horrible idea. They could only possibly shine as the big bad boys of a campaign through the tabletop game with a decent DM.
They said it begins with the events of murder in Baldur's Gate. We know what happens in that adventure.
why? i had fun with it, it played a lot like Baldurs gate dark alliance just in third person
Baldur's Gate is the name of a City in the setting. lorelet. If they write a game about a janitor who lives there, you cant complain about the name.
So you're saying BG has a pointless story that's inconsequential to the experience?
Also steam and gog
Why would bhaal return ? Can't it be a new story with Illithids and drows invading Faerun ?
Bounded accuracy is one of the shittiest design decisions I have ever seen an RPG that wasn't irredeemable trash like FATAL make.
BG2 had nothing to do with the city, r-tard.
Why none of you zoomers mentioned this yet?
>trailer starts
>obviously injured and weakened guy in armors struggles to run away from something, breathes heavily
>instantly oldschool into to BG 1 comes to my mind
>hopeful they will recreate or at least nod that way
>they don't.
One fucking job, Larian. One fucking job.
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Who the fuck knows they are main antag. You don't. Stop making presumptions.
To be fair, WOTC has already revived Bhaal and undid your work like 5 years ago. I don't fault Larian for this one.
I don't really see how it's anything like DA at all. More importantly, it was boring as fuck.
Fucking kek
It's the Pathfinder/Pillars shills, they shit on anything involving Larian. That or just the typical harmless contrarians, actual RPG fans are pretty hype right now.
>thac0 is hard to understand
It's not 90s anymore user. You can't move back in time.
>Any pretext to adventure will do. In fact, we have a chance for something less stupid than "ooooh you're the son of a deth godd omg angil or demom woooooow".
All good dnd rpgs have always followed suit the narrative of someone chosen by destiny somehow, whether by birthright or not. Why would you play as some random mercenary with no remarkable trait who eventually powers up to slay dragons? And it's not even confirmed it won't recycle the Bhaal plotline either, making it at worst an uninspired rehash.
Story and writing in the game are stupid, irelevant and interchangeable. Walking about, discovering various places and people, and adventuring in general was the appeal.
taco is not hard, just stupid as fuck.
It must be something unique if they aren't going to comment yet.
only double digit retards complained about missing attacks in morrowind /crpgs
Play PFKM.
It has everything to do witht he game, but it was bad and unimportant. You gotta be seriously retarded to be interested in that stupid shit first and foremost.
>It's the Pathfinder/Pillars shills, they shit on anything involving Larian. That or just the typical harmless contrarians, actual RPG fans are pretty hype right now.
Spoken like a true shill.
"There are a lot of people at Larian who play D&D and there are a lot of game sessions going on continuously, so that already makes it easier because we have the internal lore police. I'm the guy that usually tries to break it, but then I get the lore police on me. Usually that's sufficient, and our internal checks sometimes go further than Wizards of the Coast's. They're very flexible about making cool adventures, and most of the things we've pitched to them have been passes. We're really very aligned in our thinking and how we do things, but ours is just the videogame version."
Original Sin 2 already shares quite a lot with D&D, beyond the things that most fantasy RPGs share. The Game Master mode and co-op effectively let you play a tabletop RPG on your PC, but even when you're playing alone it can still feel like you're doing so under the gaze of a Dungeon Master, hoping they'll let you try this brilliant new idea you've come up with. The sheer variety of systems and Larian's willingness to let players bend or occasionally break the game leaves so much room for ingenuity. Vincke loves to talk about players solving conundrums in ways Larian had never even considered, and it's exactly like listening to a proud Dungeon Master gush about their party.
Baldur's Gate 3 will similarly give players lots of tools and then let them have at it. "We'll stay true to our roots," says Vincke, "so we'll give players lots of systems, and lots of agency to use these systems and try to accomplish what you need to on your adventure. That's not going to change; that's the core of what we're doing."
It's not hard to understand, it's just more convoluted than it needs to be. The way you roll to hit in later installments and Pathfinder works fine.
>100 years after BG2
WAIT A MINUTE THAT MEANS IT'S POST-SPELLPLAGUE
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT
You're arguing with something I never said or meant. All I said was that the "bhaal spawn" story specifically was stupid in concept and bad in execution.
BG1 and 2 were full of comedy and stereotypes and Original Sin 2 has far more gruesome and serious content. In fact contrarians on OS2 use it as a way to discredit the writing by saying the game is much too dark and edgy.
Yeah, and people talk about how fantastic 2e is as system whilst complaining about bemoaning 5e character options.
divinity is full of reddit tier humor and that makes it way worse
Because they want to make video games.
The main plots were always the weakest parts of the Divinity games, they don't give a fuck about consistency or world building at all.
>Any pretext to adventure will do
No it clearly won't. A hook is important, and feeling invested in the main character is important. Ask yourself if the origin story for Rey in Star Wars being a complete nobody with nobody parents works for a lot of people.
OH NO NO NO NO
Do you comprehend the difference ebtween "hard to understand" and "counterintuitive"? Well, do you?
Let me get this straight. You are complaining that a game called Baldur's Gate has nothing to do with Bhaal. But you are calling me retard because Baldur's Gate 2 didnt feature baldur's gate?
That actually says a lot. But yeah, in case you are having difficulty to wrap your mind around, this is not supposed to be a direct sequel.
> reddit tier humor
>#baldursgate3 will have callbacks, familiar locations, and characters from previous games.
Who is going to make a return?
>3.6
>fatal
Literally kill yourself comrade. Same shit as a chest xray. Jesus christ why haven't the administration sent you kulaks off to a gulag yet?
Fake news.
>Larian
Who came here from reddit?
That should be impossible since it's 100+ years later post-Spellplague. Unless Larian is just going to make shit up again.
>all the boomers reluctant to anything post 2E BTFO
What a timeline
Hahaha. Nice shop
Viconia.
Divinity humor is literally older than Yea Forums itself you braindead mongoloid.
If BG2 was released it'd be Reddit: The Game
Could be some fucked up symbol of myrkul. It's could be a symbol of the dead three since it kind of resembles a mix of Bane and Myrkul's icons. Probably something else though.
Is Pathfinder: Kingmaker any good?
How do I get into Baldur's Gate?
Myrkul is double dead after MOTB.
People stopped praising 2e, like, twenty eyars ago. Now it's either 5e or full-on OD&D/BX. And of course the Pathfinder/3.5 subhumans eating sniffing each other's butts. NBut nobody at all whatsoever cares about Advanced, let alone Advanced 2e.
jesus i hope nobody let them rest with the protagonist of the two games
Post second sundering too so all is well.
>Spiders new game
cute! Spiders is a like a neat biowarelite before cancer overtook bioware.
>all these larian shills
you guys are not even subtle
Non-humans live over 100 years so it shouldn't be hard... and...
Edwin the lich?
Its really good
And Minsc in DLC. Mark my words.
just play it just be warned that the first game did not age that well but the second game is still the king of crpgs
It's so fucking obvious how many people here have never played BG1 and 2 by calling them serious games and Larian not fitting with their humor and parodies.
>hey kids remember baldurs gate?
>just kidding its 100 years in the future
>after a post-apocalyptic event that destroyed the entire world
>and has nothing to do with bhaal
>also here's some squids
It means it adheres to shitty 5E lore. I don't think that's an improvement.
Yeah, and the latest DLC/EE drops today.
I'd wait to see if it is a buggy mess.
>can tell from the trailer that its gonna have the lame boring humor as OS
BROS
based as fuck
fuck off Baldur's Gate is cult classic of course people are interested
>We don't want to do the same thing as in the previous games so that's what it takes place 100 years later
>Oh but we're bringing back old characters too, that's always fun hee hee
You have a lot of misplaced faith for some reason.
based
>but the second game is still the king of crpgs
That really depends on what you want out of an cRPG though. BG2 doesn't have the best combat, not the best characters and not the best writing, but everything is very consistent and spiced up with tons of content.
Coran actually, he became a politician.
Reminder that any D&D game set after 1400DR is essentially the same as setting a Warhammer Fantasy game in Age of Sigmar.
Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn
This, nu-Yea Forums is pathetic.
Nah, he gets brought back. He's in service to Kelemvor.
>first they decide to shit on VTM
>now its turn for BG
fucking stop ruining these classics
let them rest in peace
edwin gets turned into a female by Elminster
I think you're underestimating the power of nostalgia goggles and the average Yea Forums user's ability to form opinions based on out-of-context screenshots
It's just a mindflayer, little boy.
Where's Dark Alliance 3?
This, lol
remember when Irenicus turned himself into a pickle?
>>and has nothing to do with bhaal
Why are you lying? You didn't even read the interview.
It takes place after the Murder in Baldur's Gate 5E module in which the last remaining Bhaalspawn get killed and Bhaal comes back from the dead.
age of sigmar is based tho
Thanks for proving my point. You never played any Divinity games.
It easily is.
the games aren't even out you pathetic fuck
>Illithids are launching a huge invasion because they can finally manufacture their Spelljammer tentacle ships again
YES FUCK YES FINALLY SOMETHING INTERESTING
Source on the interview?
>larian studios
The absolute state of beamdog cucks.
>in which the last remaining Bhaalspawn get killed
The last Bhaalspawn died in TOB and then the PC ascended to godhood. What you just said is fanfic garbage.
>Who is going to make a return?
Bhaalspawn, Viconia, Drizzt and Minsk are all safe bet.
80% of the game will be spent fighting different types of squids
I understood it just fine as a 12 year old. Just read the fucking manual if you don't get it after playing the game for 5 minutes.
>trailer starts
>obviously injured and weakened guy in armors struggles to run away from something, breathes heavily
that IS the fucking nod you dingus, that together with the stormy atmosphere
>The last Bhaalspawn died in TOB
wrong
yea give it a couple weeks for bug fixes
>implying 90% of the people posting itt aren't gigantic zoomers who think Dragon Age and Mass Effect are the pinnacle of RPGs
>one of multiple game endings
>canon
You are beyond retarded.
The actual canon has always been the BG novels with Abdel Adrian.
Abdel gets killed in Murder in Baldur's Gate which triggers the return of Bhaal.
TOB was all about the fucking Bhaalspawns duking it out you DUMB fucking retard
