Final Fantasy XIV

Considering you got free raid slots while I had to fucking orange parse to even be considered, you can go fuck yourself Having played DRG too, I can at least empathize with how fucking linear your shit got, old BfB GK timing was some fun shit

user, you gotta look at it this way. It means we don't have openers tied to sks anymore and that we can stack as much sks as we want without having it fuck with hagakure alignment with sen generation.
We'll find another way to have fun, I'm sure.
I just wish we still had a tool to reset sens to 0 or remove one sen, in case we end up with 2 sen and higanbana and/or our two buffs are about to drop.
that, and shoha being subpar, but that's less of a problem.

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Thats fair, and the removal of TP means no more issues in longer fights or AOE phases, guess we'll have to wait and see what SkS caps out at and how hard we'll have to clip banana

>inner release
>howling fist
wow that's gay as fuck

a third aoe that refreshes twin snakes
it's good

This is one of the design choices I find silly. Just have Duality upgrade to Bunshin so Nin still has Duality in synced content.

Is anyone going to miss cleric stance?

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they took the least fun mechanic of samurai (iaijutsu) and made us it 4 times as much

Whatis Hydaelyn even singing about in Answers?

Life is fleeting.

It's basically a lamentation about how everyone is constantly fighting and killing each other nonstop.

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I've missed it for two years user

who the fuck made this, it's missing jugulate for ninja, who knows what other inconsistencies it has for the jobs i don't know as well.

reddit

Monk will slowly end up with less buttons than he had during ARR, it's fucking impressive.

For real. We regressed back to 2.0 rotation without IR, steel peak and howling fist. Early GL4 will be shit since they prune the stats again, at i430 you'll get a 1.95GCD which is barely more than we have now.

Damn, MNK and SCH got kneecapped hard.
I guess MCH losing so many of its actions was hard to avoid with how much they are reworking it.
And RDM lost its only useless action, so good riddance.

>Chad BLMs only getting stronger
It's good to be playing the best job in the game.

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The removal of TP plus the removal of diminishing returns on all of our AoE tools sounds fucking great and I can't wait to delete expert roulette dungeons with them. God I hated how much TP our AoE ate despite how fun it was. And of course, you never get goads.

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I'm sad that we lost the animation of RoH, but no more aggro combo and clunky stance switch is a net gain. Especially since we aren't a joke in AoE anymore.

>they even repurposed fucking Freeze

BLMchads continue winning

I'm honestly surprised Flash surprised as long as it did. These entire two years were fucking gruesome for tanking unless you were a WAR. Their explanation for why Total Eclipse had no aggro mod made absolutely no sense.

So when will we finally get rid of all the Garleans and commit genocide, then the alliance will have an internal struggle and start a war with each other?

>>SCH loses TEN spells
>>AST loses four
>>WHM loses one

Instead of making every healer as brainless as white mage how about bringing the others up to scholar in terms of damage and raid utility? Jesus fucking christ I'm happy I can just level as Summoner

Anyone who levels as WHM, SCH, or AST should be institutionalized

We lost mana shift. I'm not sure how all BLMs feel about it but even though I love doing big damage I still want to help my team in some way.

Honestly don't see why everyone isn't attacking BLM for literally getting only buffs and zero nerfs.

roh still exists as a level synced version of royal authority, so it's not completely gone

I commended literally every melee buddy that ever goaded me, I wish I could say that it was every melee I goaded, I wish I could that people cared, I wish

>So when will we finally get rid of all the Garleans
The whole point of ShB is that we don't want that to happen unless you want to nuke the Source with light.

>Tanks
PLD > WAR > GNB > DRK
>Melee DPS
NIN > DRG > SAM > MNK
>Ranged DPS
DNC > MCH > BRD
>Caster DPS
BLM > SMN > RDM
>Healers
AST > SCH > WHM

Wait pld loses shield swipe? Does it get something to replace it?

We also have less DoTs to keep track of compared to ARR since Finger and Fracture (when you had extra TP) disappeared.

Give me Shadewalker back, I dont care about smokescreen, I need my brain-dead tank safety button!

I was forced to switch when I joined this group for 5.0 but I'll play BLM once prog is over

Can't genocide Garlemald, it would upset muh balance and end up in another calamity.

I'm going to level as a healer and compress all my accumulated hatred into a single point, then release it as a curse.

Official FFXIV forums:
>"UGHH TOXIC TOXIC WOW REFUGEES TOXIC"
>"Post your Viera/Miqote/Lalafells!"
>"Delete Dark Knight"
>"HEALERS ARE RUINED WTF YOSHI-P"
>"ffxiv is the best mmo ever great community btw likes to the right please"

wtf, I actually prefer Yea Forums tranny screeching over this

No more brain dead tanks exist, they get top enmity just by being in the fight now.

So wait, I'm losing
Internal Release
Steel Peak
Howling Fist
One Ilm Punch
Does Monk get anything in return?

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>Anyone who levels as WHM, SCH, or AST should be institutionalized
Why do you say such hurtful things to those willing to play the jobs you don't want to use?

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>SCH loses TEN spells
That image is dishonest and you know it.
>Anyone who levels as WHM, SCH, or AST should be institutionalized
So nobody will be able to level anything.

Damn nigga you're a dumb one

>HEALERS ARE RUINED WTF YOSHI P
This is Yea Forums though

Don't see why they would straight up remove selene, her aoe esuna was actually useful for fights that required esuna to be cast, means i didn't have to waste a gcd to remove it.

Because not losing abilities isn't equivalent to a buff and losing abilities isn't equivalent to a nerf you absolute brainlet.

PfftahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAH

SAM having every encouragement to stack as much SkS as the game allows sounds like its gonna be a lot of fun. The baseline haste buff is a bit stronger now, too. Only thing I wish is that double midare wasn't two cast times back to back and the second one was instant. It'd feel more impactful that way.

>Tank stance is litterally only an increase enmity button with no damage penalty.
>No more choosing between aggro and DPS combo.
And yet, there will still be braindead tanks who can't hold aggro.
Yoshi wants to reduce the skill gap, but there will still be people who click one weaponskill ever 4-5 seconds and don't know about combos.

Sad to see Wrench Toss gone.

how do you do content if no healers are leveling you fucking ape

New cleric? No, and anyone who says they do is fucking delusional; it's one of the shittiest, most ineffectual DPS cooldowns in the entire game.

You fucking retard, BLM gained more abilities than it lost that IS a buff. Don't you fucking dare try to imply that the freeze change and flare change wasn't a fucking massive buff to blm.

Coping MNK. Dont worry, you can at least cheer from the sidelines as even SAM becomes useful in 5.0

>Rouse gone
>All fairy abilities are now oGCDs that you have to weave for, rather than abilities working outside of the GCD system
>Yoshida would rather keep giving us busted oGCDs than letting us keep a strong fairy
Why do they hate us so?

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Give SCH Fey Wind and ED back
Delete Seraph
That will be all

> and losing abilities isn't equivalent to a nerf
Depending on the ability, yes it is. For MNKs, the damage from Howling Fist and Steel Peak is just gone; it wasn't redistributed anywhere, they didn't get anything new in exchange, it's just flat lost potency per second.

At least it's 1.3 second cast. Less aids to the rotation and it doesn't just cancel If the thing moves 2 inches away.

It's not dishonest at all, losing some of Eos and Selene's spells doesn't hurt too bad but losing rouse+whispering dawn+fey caress sucks dick, what matters more is that 40% of the spells lost are damage buttons

Because SCH no longer has bane to spread dots every aoe pull will just be art of war spam, losing energy drain and shadowflare and miasma 2 means every single target fight will be two buttons max, 95% of those buttons being broil because the other is a fire and forget DoT

>Foes is gone
Why would anyone want BRD now lol.

>one ilm punch
man cmon
also additions to monk are gl4, another aoe weaponskill, 2 charges on shoulder tackle, aoe chakra spender, 70% chakra on crit, and a high potency attack that lasts 2 gcds and refreshes gl

aggro combos felt like dogshit to use on any tank besides warrior because the potency loss was far too high on all aggro combos besides butcher's block, but the real problem was that rage of halone and power slash also gutted your mana regeneration on pld and drk. pld would have to waste sheltrons to re-align its rotation after every single rage of halone usage, which felt like shit.

they could've solved this by making every aggro combo be as small of a loss and generate as huge of an aggro lead as butcher's block, but PLD getting atonement and confiteor to replace those deleted aggro buttons is good enough. the tank that REALLY got fucked is DRK. they REALLY should've repurposed power slash for something else (buff upkeep, resource generation, anything) instead of just deleting it.

Whispering Dawn still exists.

>it wasn't redistributed anywhere
They buffed every weapon skill by like 50 potency and Forbidden Chakra to 320 potency

I know right? They lost their coolest animation, they're literal dead weight.

> 3 more weeks

This last stretch is killing me.

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yeah there's also this, why is no one bitching about BRD? their only hope of being somewhat relevant is MCH being worse than its SB counterpart (which is a possibility judging from the balance)

it was redistributed to forbidden chakra, you get more of them now

I have two goad buttons, and they're both macros
The first one first tries to goad the current target, and if it's not valid, will goad the 4th party member, so the other DPS.
The other one does the same for the 2nd party member, i.e. the tank.

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You also lost silence on arm of the destroyer and stun on tackle

It's not shown here, but the critbuff from songs is gone too.
Apparently, they want DNC to take BRD's place as the utility ranged DPS.
Let's hope BRD's personal DPS was buffed enough to compensate.

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foe is weaker than the 2% perma crit from songs, which makes it worse since they are both gone

the BRD rotation remains almost wholly unchanged from Stormblood, which was already the most fun the class has ever been. Being undertuned with a fun rotation is a much more salvageable state than being both undertuned and having shit job design.

I said the wrong spell, I meant Selene's aoe skillspeed buff which I had to look up the name of, it's Fey Wind

Don't worry, no matter how bad Yoshi maims you, you'll never get any Fracture.

This is everywhere though.

As much as I lament losing buttons, the damage is far from lost, unless you think Howling Fist and Steel Peak were >5% of our DPS.

This list is inaccurate though. Sch didn't lose whispering dawn and they got art of war to replace miasma 2. Fey covenant itself is gone, but they combined it into fey illumination so that just does both now. The first version of this picture tried to say sch lost bio too, but I guess they couldn't get away with that one. Don't even pretend like you used sustain, either.

So once this game hits its limit, think they will pull another Dalamud/Bahamut?

UNSUBSCRIBE FROM MY GAME GAIZIN

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You, you're a cool dude, I would always just tap the Fkey for whoever needed it and button, but in the end what matters, is that you actually have eachothers backs, something that sadly didn't happen nearly enough, anyways good luck in ShB, maybe we'll run into eachother sometime

>gl4
I like this

Agreed, at least change the effect colors or something, idk, or give kaeshi midare shoha's animation and give shoha ageha's animation.

I imagine it'll be the final Hydaelyn/Zodiark fight that ends in credits and an announcement for the next mmo.

Especially with DNC having insane utility.

youtube.com/watch?v=k5YOQIGc2Fs

Look how shit this is, just look.

>didn't use sustain

Excuse fuckin me but i did but i will no longer have to since fairys will be immune to boss damage now.

won't worry guys this is just a soft "reset" of classes

why is tanking so fun? I feel like I missed out all this time by playing DPS only

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What would they have to do with encounters to decrease downtime for healers? Keep in mind that even ultimates healers have around 70% of downtime.
Nerfing ogcds probably wouldn't be a bad idea, but it's clearly not happening.

>Excuse fuckin me but i did
Why? Eos can embrace himself to heal any damage sustained.

Fuck SCH and AST.
Do you guys even have a Bind effect on your abilities? Didn't fucking think so.
This is WHM Chads expansion and both of you are going to fight over second place for our amusement
If you're a good enough cock washer you might even be allowed some spell-speed/piety loot from Savage.

I never liked how your 4th was random in HW and aside from DS being clunky I think DRG is in a good spot right now, and that doesn't seem to be changing much in 5.0.

You get to shirk your sam/mnk buddy in the party, it's a lot of fun

also i forgot that true north is on a 40s cd now and you get two charges of it, but that applies to all melees

>Wanting eos to waste time healing itself instead of the tank

How shit are you?

Hands up!

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If you ever used sustain then your opinion is fucking irrelevant. If you were using gcds on a trash fairy heal, you're an indiot.

>she doesn't have /sabotender yet
What's your excuse?

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>Do you guys even have a Bind effect on your abilities? Didn't fucking think so.

Neither does whm, back into the cuckshed with you.

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>even letting your fairy take damage in the first place when 90% of damage to it can be avoided
how shit are you? I can't even remember the last savage fight where fairies take damage outside of aoe tbs which just wipe them out instantly anyway.

>This kills the WhyMage

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Everyones' AOE is buffed, though. The BLM AOE changes are only to prevent them falling behind now that TP isn't an issue for melees and that tanks have better AOE options across the board.
And again, not losing abilities isn't a buff you mongoloid. If they had removed Blizzard 2, Fire 2, made Enochian a passive and made Blizzard morph into Blizzard 3 we would have lost abilities and it wouldn't have mattered. It depends on WHAT you lose.

That's my entire point. Sometimes an ability loss consitutes a nerf, but sometimes it doesn't because you never used it anyway.

>unavoidable aoe
>avoidable

You're retarded :)

You don't scare me. I know that you can't fire bullets.

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~Influencers~ will get to figure out all Titania Extreme mechanics at E3 and spoil the fight for the rest of us. JUST

this is your light party for tonight

not subbed currently

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It literally didn't matter if you were on the point between the flank and rear.
Brainlets ruined drg

I don't think they let them play extreme version in E3.

they offer the extreme trials at these events? I always assumed it was the normal versions so idiots actually stand a chance at clearing.

Decrease the general potency of healing relative to health bars by about 60%.
Remove all oGCD heals except one emergency button on a 90s cooldown.
Have more random outgoing damage like e.g. every 10 seconds the boss just chunks a random player's HP by 80%, puts an undispellable DoT on them that ticks for 20% of their HP, or AoEs the whole raid.

Shockwaves motherfucker.

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>we were supposed to hate this character for trying to put thieving pirateniggers in their place

me on the right

Cats are alright, I think I prefer leezards, but I can always squish that cat

Eos literally exists to save you gcds, why would you use a gcd to heal eos when you could just physick the tank for more hp and let the fairy heal itself? That skill was a trap for shitters and it got you good.

If they really want that, they almost have to make bosses constantly pulse out aoes. Especially since healing oGCDs are getting even stronger for both AST and SCH

just finished my 45th run of LotA for my namazu earrings

>PLD looks more fun with atonement spam and confiteor.
>WAR is basically the same.
>GNB looks like it has the most fun rotation of all the tanks.
>DRK is utter dogshit with only 4 gcd skills in single target, ultimate ability is a glorified off-gcd dot, Blood Weapon no longer speeds you up, Burst phase is just copypasted Inner Release.
I thought it was meant to be DRK's expansion?

Right because staying glued to that specific point throughout the entire Savage fight is sooo easy

Those sluts are already 4. They don’t need me.

I’ll continue playing MCH and laughing at pinglets

Holy shit, I can feel my IQ expanding into the 4th dimension. Truly WHM is the most chad and intellectual job to play in Shadowbringers.

I had to do 30 runs to get Amon Hat.
At least I can buy two copies of Answers.

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why the fuck is SMN losing tri-bind and shadow flare? remove as many AOE's as possible so BLM shines more? I can't even imagine trying to play any content below level 60 with that removed. Well it should be interesting to see if its goes to the cuck shed or not.

The same way SB was MNK expansion.

The best part about fray is that he'll just straight up disappear if the mob dies too quick lmaooooo

>how it feels to play NIN
I enjoy the class, I really do.
But it feels really weak without its OGCDs.
Even with proper gear, I still need to use my entire opener in the overworld when farming for Centurio Seals.

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>we were supposed to hate this character
Not really.

I will never forgive MCH for stealing Corsair/Musketeer from us forever.

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Oh no, rehashed mechanics for the third expansion in a row! What a shock!

so where's the senor sabotender outfit glamour

SMN is getting a consistent spammable aoe button because Tri-Bind (currently only useful in Dreadwyrm Trance) is being replaced with Outburst, which benefits from Ruination, which you can spread with Bane now too.

SMN is getting Outburst to replace tri-bind, it's literally the same animation without the bind effect and higher potency.

git gud, garbage fucking greylet

Except not

Really? I never thought of her that way. She was just insanely Lawful Good to a fault.

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SMN is getting an actual AoE Ruin, which benefits from Ruination, which you can spread with Bane now.

is there something similar for SAM?
I hated SB because it wasn't meta so the balance trannies didn't play it and the only "guide" was from that guy who was shitting on SAM too.

no one wants to play that boring class

What do Yea Forums's characters look like?

What about GNB's rotation looks fun to you? I'm not being facetious here, GNB looks to have a very straightforward and simple rotation.

Like Continuation is neat, but that's the only thing about its rotation that is any interesting. Otherwise it's a PLD without a casting phase combined with a lesser Fell Cleave.

you're going to be begging for the BLACKEDest night when savage rolls out
and i'm going to give it to you because i want a free edge of shadows and also you'll probably die if i don't

oh sweetie, you're one of the 4 obviously

The same people upset at DRK being dumpstered to only four buttons are happy that healers are reduced to two.

Just you fucking wait until they start pruning every non-BLM DPS down to three buttons

Yeah, in the balance there is, in the channels dedicated to samurai, you fucking clown.

OMG fuck BRD I want to play as a simple archer!
OMG fuck MCH I want to play as a simple gunslinger!

A cute elezen I won't post because these threads are not for attentionwhoring and everyone would just call it shit anyways

The Blackest Night being a really good skill doesn't really change that ShB DRK looks like a very unfun class to play. It could be king of the meta but it will still not be very fun, kinda like that period at the start of Stormblood where all the speedrunners wanted a MCH for double ranged comp memes but nobody wanted to play MCH because it plays awfully.

Dude GL4 lmao
Also Dragon Kick now buffs your next Bootshine by 100 potency
We also lose a huge chunk of DPS from Tornado Kick openers not being terribly viable anymore, especially not the double one.

nigger it's a fucking MMO where unironically a third of the content is just glamour gear

post that shit here then so we can discuss it here and not in that circlejerk.

Unironically fuck ninja I want to be a dickass thief not a faggot gook

The only one I've met in game was a Roe and he looked pretty cool, his glamour matched the aesthetic of his job instead of doing a meme thing.

>just check discord lmao
eat shit you nigger manlet

Tanks are designed to spend 100% of their time pressing attacking buttons that do damage to the boss, this has been the case since ARR. Healers were never deliberately designed this way, and the reason things ended this way is that they went extremely overboard with healing off-gcds in Heavensward. The correct solution would've been to massively nerf these off-gcds, but healers were never meant to have an involved DPS rotation.

Post it, fuck the spergs, it is fine to post your character if you don't avatarfag or just be a general faggot with it.

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you are all bitching about the changes but no one says anything about us NINcucks forced to spam suiton/hyosho ranryu (2-mudra ninjutsus) and clip even the unclippable

Like a character. But since only /vg/ fags really care, you won't get to see them for the most part.

No, the thread would devolve into a shitfest. I've seen it too many times

heterochromia catgirls and lizardgirls in slutglam or the default midlander
Yea Forumsermin are too insecure and afraid of being thought of as a conscious person to care about appearance

I've posted my leezard before and its been fine, don't be a bitch

Why make the circle that big if the thing you're looking for is always just going to be in the center? XIV's way makes more sense.

I play a male drow expy duskwight

heh

He exactly and unironically looks like this.

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My sch, can't post smn cause i'm not subbed.

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shocking pink-best man-dressed rogaedyn, probably sch for the ultimate tranny combination

...Yeah? What are you some kind of shitter? You only had to be there when you were going to do a positional dummy.

It's good to be a BLM.
I still wish we got enfire, though. I want my Vivi/Steiner dynamic.

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You sound based.

It would literally make the /vg/ fags come out of the woods to shitpost for hours on Yea Forums, so no.

Half the /vg/ fags are already here.

It's too late, because now theres buildup to my character which means even more shitflinging anx is already derailing as we speak. Besides, no one likes how face 3 has permanent dark lipstick

At least they limit themselves to trolling rather than avatarfagging.

Show me your orange A12S parses then

>males
cringe

I could post him, but, you know, >>>/xivg/, blah blah blah.

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*ahem* fuck lalaniggers, how can they be 13% of the population and-

Wouldn't killing civilians tip the balance toward darkness ? Just spare the ascians and you're all good.

I'd agree with you but MCH aesthetic is fucking based, why fire a musket when you can fire an auto cross bow, a drill and spray poison and summon fucking robots

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It's ok little lala I will use you :^)

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>All those Hyur SAMs
le mao

I mean, you're right about the first part, I'll just leave it at this, as long as you made something that YOU like thats all that matters. You're the one playing your character and the only person they have to appeal to is you, if others like it too then you know you have similar tastes and can maybe find friends that way I have anyways hopefully you post anyways

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>tfw elezen monk

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I like how every highlander who isn't a memelord has this face, because highlander faces are fucking shit and they look like frankenstein without a beard

Only the males, the females are goddesses.

Every race has only one good face.

Please make her relevant.

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>pleb filtered

I see a lot of Highlanders with the big beard.

Which tank has the more fun rotation and doesn't take 10 years to kill a trash mob when doing overworld content?

PLD or WAR?

nah some have 2

>glamouring exactly like the official artwork
Sounds based actually dunno why I never thought of doing it.

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WAR. WAR's burst with IR is nutty and will be only getting nuttier.

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Here's how it looks like when you separate genders. This is for male characters.

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No can do, I'm afraid.

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Generic Hyur with armor and full helmet.

PLD or GNB will have the most consistent damage in overworld content. WAR and DRK have insane burst now, but only every 90 seconds. Of WAR and DRK, DRK will be more consistent.

But that's on a 80s CD.
Class still needs to be fun in-between those 80s.

Here's female characters.

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PLD is really fun since SB and will only get more fun in ShB.

what site is this I want to know more things.

>that drop in White Mage for Hyur and Aura

Old highlander in Vivi cosplay.

>the sheer number of c*ts and l*zards
pure fucking cringe

you'll be using inner chaos between inner releases in ShB since (iirc) you don't want to overwrite inner release fell cleaves with it

can you do percentage of each job by race?

>Leveling roulette pops it's gubal library
> I dip low a few times despite rotating defensive cds due to healer focusing on dps
>No biggie this shit is going fast since healer is going ham
>Last boss I drop to 5% and see no indication that i'll be receiving a heal
>surprisingly have to pop Hallowed ground
>6 seconds go by and no heal.
>Sam dead now
>fucking red mage panics and starts trying to help out by raising sam and healing me
>cast clemency on myself like some asshole
>sam dies again
>fuck face healer is so absorbed in their rotation that they ignore the 3 person panel mechanics trying to dps invulnerable boss
>nearly wipe to adds spawning

I'm glad you dumb fucks are getting your dps skills simplified to two buttons

>there's roughly 12k people who have SMN at 70 and haven't unlocked SCH

fem highlander in either full armor or fully clothed with a mask

>Most popular job for male Au Ra is Dark Knight
lol

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>cats are supposed to be somewhat rare lorewise
>literally the most populus
lel
>aura are supposed to be extremely rare, and ones that venture from home are uncommon as fuck
>second most populus
now I'm laffin

Why couldn't rogues job changed to thief instead of ninja?

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What's worth picking up since Monk is looking real boring. BLM?

They're not from a site, they're from reports I made in Power BI Desktop using a DB based on the lodestone.
I'm at work, but if you have specific requests I can fulfill them when I'm back home.

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I guess with the number of bad tank/dps I met, everything but healers should be deleted.

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Rogue is synonymous with Thief and would not be much of a promotion.

Female miqo'te and au ra alone account for over a third of all active characters. If you include males it goes up to over half.

Same thing's gonna happen to Viera

me on the left

I guess given the number of brainded healers I've met that literally only heal you don't need dps skills

Rogues are Thieves, which is why they called the group the Upright Thieves. They even made the arachne gear as a pseudo AF. It upgrades to NIN because of FF1.

Come up with 30 brand new skills for rogue.

I have that at home. I'll post it later.

God I wish that were me.

explains a lot about the kinda hot garbage you find in this game

good, they can be the new TRANNY XD race and I can cut shit in peace

femAura has none

cute Veena butte

WHM already lost Divine Seal, Protect, Shroud of Saints, and Cleric Stance in Stormblood, retard. They were made worse and passed out to everyone else because apparently WHM having unique shit is bad. Now they are removing Divine Seal (aka Largesse), Protect, and shit Cleric Stance entirely. Fuck every other healer. At least WHM will have the best damage, heals, and regen, hope AST and SCH enjoy being in the cuckshed.

Because they dropped the "One class can lead to multiple jobs" idea as soon as they implemented it with ACN/SCH/SMN.

I wonder why Hyurs favour Samurai so disproportionately.

>these cat "men" are so small, they could never hope to please us

raid autist spotted, just have some fun bro

samurai being the most popular class for roes is much weirder to me, i would have expected warrior
i dunno how much gosetsu being a prominent character has to do with it, or if it's just by chance

Then how come Warrior doesn't upgrade to Paladin?

who do you think is doing the raiding?

pedos are usually the best at raiding

Yeah people tend to forget how WHM got absolutely robbed in Stormblood on top of having a job mechanic which simply didn't work in optimal play. I was really hoping Divine Seal would make a comeback with Largesse being scrapped but I guess that was asking for too much. I feel bad for SCH losing so many dps attacks though. I wish it would at least retain energy drain or some kind of alternative to use excess aetherflow on.

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In PF I either get healers who can only heal, or dps healers that are too bird brained to remember they have healing buttons. No wonder Yoshi is making the decision for you cucks.

if there are so many samurais why have I never met a good one

cute!

Because there's no Warrior class, and XIV's Warrior is much more of a Berserker. I'm not sure why you think doing a FF1 reference for one job means it has to apply to all jobs anyway.

Sure, you won't have to worry about Sen alignment.
Now you have to worry about Kaeshi alignment instead.

It's the only sword wielding DPS. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say most people who play Hyur just want to play something as close to a traditional hero as possible. Myself included.

So...uh...are those all removed abilities? I was thinking coming back in xiv...what the fuck is happening?

What the fuck bros?

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>out of 33000 niggers playing SAM at any given time less than a thousand are able to do my level of dps or higher not counting catered parses or the very rare piloted cater

Thank you user you have made my pp the big pp

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I fucking hate isekailanders

l*l*fells get the rope too

Pretty standard expansion ability pruning.

literally the same thing that happens every expansion: classes get redesigned, get new abilities, lose ones that don't fit the new design. stop being reactionary and actually look at what classes will look like instead of freaking out at an image bereft of context

it's a lala in a suit, you can see them occasionally with the mask taken off

>traditional hero
>not a tank
>t. Kirito

They're detaching Scholar from Arcanist in everything but levels, reworking role actions and tank stances, removing TP (thank fuck), and generally trying to make it so jobs will be using most of their abilities and reworking or removing the garbage ones like Tether.

>you can see them occasionally with the mask taken off
You what?

MNK will have to put out insanely good damage to account for its terrible treatment

Stop being a corporate cocksucker acting like this sort of pruning is remotely acceptable when the developer's pet class Black Mage loses LITERALLY nothing

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Maybe i just never saw it in one picture, but looking at tanks it feels to me like they losing some basic skills. Like some shit you have from lvl 10, why? In next expansion new players will literally have 1 button until lvl cap.

OH NOOOO RED MAGE LOST TETHER NOOOOOO THE WORLD IS ENDING AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SAVE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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paladin literally had zero room for more skills, its hotbars are absolutely bloated. all removed skills for paladin got replacements that you are actually going to use rotationally.

I'm not defending abitility pruning, but you're fucking stupid if you think BLM lost nothing because it's dev's pet class (that's WAR) and not because it's already well-designed.

Thanks, I just puked a little in my mouth.

Happened several classes in Stormblood (esp WHM), and tanks told everyone they were whining. Now the shoe is on the other foot.

Damn, Y'shitola looks like THAT?

If you play red mage or black mage yeah you got off basically scott free

If you play monk or machinist ha good luck

why do you people keep pretending the job designers favor black mage? do you realize black mage spent the entirety of stormblood being a dumpster tier caster that couldn't compensate for its lack of raid synergy with its own dps? red mage, a class Yea Forums constantly memes on, has 3 to 4 times more recorded ultimate clears than BLM. you have to be a fucking idiot who doesn't actually play the game to think black mage is catered to in any way.

Yeah, Heavensward had a ton of pruning.

Make it Rain event. Look up cutscenes on youtube or do it this week if the quest is available again.

>Being this retarded

Actually pleased don't come back, go play WoW Classic.

new machinist looks significantly more fun than stormblood's iteration of it no matter what contrarians from the balance say

Screw the first. Hydaelyn and the MSQ better let me remake Minfilia into a loli. Why would someone try to save the first without their cunny reward? Ridiculous. Bring back the cunny Yoshida you fucking hack or else I'll pull the eyepatch of the next BLM chuuni I see!

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Even losing nothing, most Raid groups are still going to choose SMN over Black Mage. More mobility, comparable DPS, a Battle Rez and a 5% Party damage buff will see it enjoy more Raid time than a BLM.

honest post. Most healer mains can't get good dps logs without forgetting what their actual job is.

It still has the same toolkit as in SB support-wise.
It's also the best job to pair up with DNC.

What jobs have the best stories or at least have a cute waifu to give a reason to care about leveling. I've heard red mage are given a pet cat and know that DRK and fray are memed a lot especially now that their writer is doing ShB story

What are the chances of them doing a slight rework to MNK? The dislike for it is universal

>MCH becomes unfun
What the fuck was Yoshi thinking?

>le rose-tinted glasses heavensward memer has arrived
heavensward is unironically the lowest point of class design in this game with multiple classes being absolute dumpster tier for nearly 2 years. AST was unplayable garbage until it got overbuffed for The Creator, Paladin had nothing going for it, Bard had shoehorned Gauss Barrel cast times, Monk couldn't actually gain chakra outside downtime. etc.

>It's also the best job to pair up with DNC.
Not really. Even if all jobs generated esprit at the same rate, which they probably don't, it's a sub-0.5% DPS increase for the dancer.

I didn't main SAM but it was my main DPS, I don't understand why A) they didn't just change hagakures effect to what ikishoten does instead of just making a new skill and B)It was always funny hearing all the memedares from shitters while I just did my shinten spam

I hope SAM can go even faster, I loved the sks build.

Believe it or not a not insignificant number of people do not give a shit about MNK's changes as long as they get GL4.

Maybe that will change once the brainlets play the job and feel how boring it is, but I'm doubtful.

castbard was unironically good

DRK. There's CUNNY and good story besides.

WAR is the dev's problem child. Yoshida admitted that he is afraid of messing with certain aspects of the combat because doing so may wake up the loud crybabies of the community, even though he is aware of how unbalanced some things are.

The same odds that healers are given more than 2 buttons

WHM has Raya-o-Senna which is a supreme cutie, but bad story
MNK has Hamon Holyfist
I've never heard anyone talk much about BRD but I personally like it.
BLM is always going places unexpected.

>new expansion
>removes abilities instead of expanding them

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Yea Forums seems to be the only place in the world that thinks black mage is a widely used raiding class and the best caster. even the thoroughly mediocre red mage gets more mileage in raids despite being supposedly only useful in progression.

SMN gets Y'shtola's younger, cuter sister

MNK doesn't need a rework outside of deleting RoF. The one universal complaint I always see about MNK is that its positionals are annoying but you can't delete the positionals without ruining its job identity.

Heavensward didn't prune anything because jobs in ARR were even more simplistic than they are in Shadowbringers.

Yea Forums likes big explosions and bigger numbers. We also recognize that BLM doesn't see as much raid usage because it's a high skill job, not because there's a problem with BLM's design.

Controller limitations please understand.

MNK benefit the most from Saber Dance with the crit buff

SCH is well designed and look what happened.

the "high skill job" still doesn't get used in ultimate, which in theory is played by the highest skill players

Don't bother, none of these fags acually player during HW. Yea Forums is full of idiots lying about their supposed raid clears and parses when you can instantly tell they've never done anything harder than an Ex Trial. I guarantee you at least one faggot will quote you and praise fucking Gordias.

>still need to level 7 jobs to 60 and get like 100k wolf marks to complete garo event
This shit is burning me out hard. I can't stand potd after running that shit for the past week non stop.

I unironically agree.
Hell yeah, I loved the skill speed build too. At one point in early Stormblood endgame, I had nearly 2300 skill speed.

I sure am glad I leveled all my jobs 2 years ago when the event was new.

Most traditional heroes aren't legends because they got smacked in the face, they're mostly extraordinarily strong types with legends about their feats of strength, like Beowulf and Sigurd
and all of them. None of the tanks, even Warrior, embody that kind of class fantasy. No matter how hard they jerk off over Fell Cleaves.

You have until October to get it done you autist

MNK needs the slowdown on RoF removed and maybe two or three more oGCD attacks/cooldowns, preferably something that interacts with the rotation somehow and isn't just "click on cooldown". Also they need to just bite the bullet and rework fists stances, there's literally no fucking point when one stance is always going to deliver the highest damage. FoF being better for the 10 seconds you spend building up to GL4 doesn't justify its existence.

Are you actually gonna sit there and tell me Beowulf, Sigurd, Heracles, Achilles, Arthur etc., aren't tanks? They face their enemies head on with bravery.

Technically DRG loses nothing as well.

>yfw let us transcend this mortal coil

Post yfw 6.0 MNK gets a cast time on its attacks during RoF

All I want from shb is no fucking diadem 3.0. It's just wasted development on content that is left to rot after each expansion. People can go back and get arr and hw relics for glamour and it's an easy little side project that just takes a long time. Meanwhile nobody is ever going back to get the Eureka gear if they missed it. Moving the relic to Eureka is part of the reason why main world fates are dead plenty of people did them constantly for relics.

Traditional heroes are the ones facing their enemies head on, not stabbing them in the ass while their larger, stronger, more handsome friend grapples with them

Hercules literally inner released and killed his entire family in rage on accident because hera was a bitch, all knights from Arthurian mythology would be tanks, the classic knight in shining armor from fairy tales is not some faggot with a staff or weeb katana

It still won't see a big increase in popularity because people are afraid of having to hit positionals.
The only thing I could see being done is making FoE remove all positionals.

The jobs identity is already ruined by going slow thanks to RoF and SSS, not having guaranteed chakra on coeurl form attacks, and skill bloat now that tornado kick is literally useless with SSS existing and too many niche ways to hold GL stacks, SSS included.

>BLM is a skilled job
pfffffffffffffffffffftHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I never really read the leaks for WAR.
So what does that mean? Are they just consistently shitting out damage now without downtime in-between?

BLM is heavily disfavored in prog because it needs perfect fight knowledge to perform and doesn't bring a rez. Ultimates are all essentially all prog. You should be able to figure this out.

what is the problem other than no more big brain TK

>wind tackle is gone except it isn't, it's just shoulder tackle's default behavior now
>Howling fist and OIP replaced by gcd AOE ability
>lol TP refresh

Monk only really loses internal release and steel peak, and steel peak doesn't even really do anything while internal release has a possibility of not doing anything.

Really the only ones completely fucked are scholars and they knew the rope was coming for them for years.

There will 100% be Eureka 2.0 in ShB. YoshiP said he loved the response to Eureka and has plans to do something similar in the future. He's also said he wants to expand on more content like Baldesian Arsenal.

Enjoy your massively overdeveloped relic weapon content for the foreseeable future.

They should just replace MNK at this point.

>BLM doesn't have a res

and thats a good thing, it has infinite mp it doesn't deserve it. Honestly they should be forced to spam a new skill Osmose to get their mp back, they shouldn't get it back instantly from blizzard casts.

At least relics keep getting uglier so there's no actual reason to want them.

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So using Infuriate now gives you a buff that turns your next Fell Cleave or Decimate into a super powered Inner Beast/Steel Cyclone.

Inner Chaos is a 900 potency, guaranteed Direct Crit (and Chaos Cyclone is 400 potency AoE, also DCrit). So now if you use Infuriate during your IR window, you are wasting the entire benefit of the guaranteed DCrit on Inner Chaos.

See Its a huge mess because they dont want you to drop stacks and your other resource is entirely rng meanwhile you still have useless skills like FoE and now TK but lost important ones like IR. GL4 won't even be good until final BiS comes in 5.4

That's literally all anyone is complaining about, because for one expansion monk had a "complex" rotation even though fracture usage in ARR was galaxy brain compared to TK.

I don't really want them to give people a pass to just ignore positionals on Monk. I'm fine with it never being too popular I just don't want it to become boring.

Tanks shouldn't dps they should tank. Stop talking about numbers thats not your job.

TK will definitely not be useless in ShB

since elemental armor with sks was bis for sam does that mean sks sam is the way to go in 5.0

I like the DRK relic before it gets the glow
Shut the fuck up, dude. No one would be complaining if TK rotation was the only thing MNK lost, because no one was expecting it to stay. The whole job is poorly handled for 5.0

Then people just have to accept that MNK isn't a job for everyone and use its unpopularity as an excuse for a rework.
I'm not saying MNK doesn't need a rework of any form but I hope SE doesn't rework it with the goal of it being more popular.

>Shinryu gunblade
>Tsukiyomi gunblade
>Byakko gunblade
>Susanoo gunblade
>Suzaku gunblade
>Seiryu gunblade

They'll all look shit won't they?

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We won't know, until we get real potencies and how stats even work in ShB.

>dpslet acting like he has authority over other jobs
Go back to your hour long queues

Seiryu gunblade will be kino if the gun is anything to go by. But for me, it's Gordian/Midan

Pres understand we no make old content weaponsu, pres rook forward to et

At least Scaevan Gunblade will be kino.

That's what they said about 4.0 when ROF was first introduced and now you're sad that they changed that. Fuck off, Monk is fine, it will always be fine, they have changed little to nothing about it since launch. If anything it's been overall dumbed down in every rework it's gotten.

For 99% of the fight it will. NIN now get to use Assassinate every minute, which lines up with TA, but now MNK need to hold that until the boss is below 1%? The skill has less potency than SSS to boot, why even keep it? Climbing to GL4 with PB is one extra GCD not spent using bootshine so it's a bigger loss to TK AMD use PB to recover than ever before

I highly doubt we'll get anything for the Gordian/Midan/Alexander tiers and HW trials.

You shut your fucking mouth

I hope the healers aren't as boring as they are on paper, honestly I wish we had more dps buttons, because doing damage in addition to healing is fun, wanting healers to heal more is nice, but with the encounter design as it is, I would have preferred more, not less.
>Tanks shouldn't dps they should tank.
good tanks can do both, at least yoshi realised dps are too braindead to understand how aggro works and is getting rid of their aggro buttons because they are too complicated for them to comprehend

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It will be used everytime the boss jumps, just like it was always intended to be used.

>believing pre-release math

Reminder that riddle of fire was a flat dps loss when it was first shown.

what the fuck is going on anymore
was it really too hard to hit some buttons and move

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>have a Genji, Diamond and Omega coffer on standby
I hope they look nice bros

Most primal weapons look like trash except for maybe one or two jobs per primal.

At least the Scaevan Gunblade will be top tier.

SAM and RDM got nothing from ARR except for final coil, and that was only because of thre Ultimate. GNB and DNC won't get anything out of HW raids. Probably won't even get ARR trial weapons.

Alexander weapons probably not, but SAM and RDM got weapons from ARR primals, so GNB and DNC should be fine to get weapons from HW primals.

RoF is still ass
>yes job is about going fast
>and everyone complained it was slow
>...so we didnt change anything
Not to mention NO GUARANTEED CHAKRA. SkS builds are absolutely meme tier for MNK if they weren't alreadyvwoth the loss of inner release because your not going to always have the DNC sucking you off even if you play with friends.

Fucking how? The response to Eureka was that it fucking sucked and is still some of the worst content in the game.

>SCH literally have no reason to NOT be constantly dpsing now that they have so many easy heal options and free crit excog/adlos

LMAO your pic is funny

FFXIV is a console game. Why do you think the 2 second GCD is a thing? And why do you think console players never play NIN/MNK? Should be slowly dawning onto you by now.

First Solo t9 sch used controller. All the japs use controller.

5.0 MCH will be unplayable on console

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a lot of people liked it.

Nah. Look at how they're consolidating job questlines into role quests. As more content gets released they won't keep the same template because it'll take exponentially more resources every expansion.

>expecting devs to listen to players

The last time they listened to players we got Diadem.

It's a shit skill that only found use when used every 30 seconds. If they wanted to kill the TK rotation, just remove or replace TK to begin with and leave the rest of the job alone

Not in Japan it wasn't. And even in the west, enough people did it for them to consider it a success because they hid the relic behind it.
Face it bro, Eureka haunting us till the end of time was a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Say that to MNKs now, they have less to think about now than they did during ARR, they had to deal with 2 to 3 dots with 2 of them being on GCD without advancing your form which could fuck if you didn't knew what you were doing, managing your TP (which means that if you spam Fracture like a tard you're fucked), the usual OGCD skills cd and planning your positionals.
Now there's literally just one DoT left, a ton of OGCD skills got removed, TP are gone and North is available so often that you'll be able to ignore positionals 1/4 of the time instead of carefully planning your moves.

MNK is awfully simpler now than it was before. Seriously, fuck you Yoshida, you even removed something that I hoped you would expand on: Fists of xxx skills heavily changing other skills.

You people are truly retarded

>people bitch and moan about Eureka
>tell them to just not fucking do it
>b-but muh relic
seriously, I've seen way too many people cry about Eureka yet do it anyway because of the relic, if anything, that gives Square less of a reason to ever remove it, it guarantees player participation from people who otherwise wouldn't bother

>All the japs
Can't compare degenerate westerners that cause casualization of games with people that have passion for something and genuinely want to gitgud.

Except the japs don't care about all the gutting of skills they're "excited" about the changes. Just look at 2chan

Eureka is actually good when you get into it though

Turns out mindlessly grinding mobs/fates is what the vast majority of FFXIV players are conditioned to enjoy.

I don't regret grinding through Eureka for the relic because Baldesion Arsenal ended up being some of my favorite content in the game. If they keep down that path, 5.0 Eureka could be great.

What will we be shown at E3 and the Liveletter next week?

Sure am. Well, maybe not Achilles or Arthur. Though if your classification for a legendary figure being a "tank" is as weak as "durr they stand in front of da man dey fite" then of course you're going to think that anyone from a romanticised legend is a tank. You're hyperfocusing on where the player has to be positioned because it's the only argument you've got.

That's just game mechanics friend. Not really what I'm talking about. Your line of reasoning has made me think it would be interesting to see a further breakdown based on raiders as opposed to casuals though.

>Hercules literally inner released and killed his entire family in rage on accident because hera was a bitch
Berserkers are very rarely cast as tanks in MMOs. They are normally DPS and take more damage than other classes if they're hit. WAR is an exception, not the rule, and that might possibly be one of the reasons for the stereotypical hyper DPS focused WAR main.
>all knights from Arthurian mythology would be tanks
I have my doubts about this. Arthur might be depending on the particular tradition you're talking about but Gawain is a definite example of someone who wouldn't be a tank even by your shit definitions.
>the classic knight in shining armor from fairy tales is not some faggot with a staff or weeb katana
Yes, I agree with you on this point in terms of western legend. My argument is just that Samurai is the closest this type of player gets currently, as they use a sword even if it's an eastern design. If we got a melee DPS that used a western sword I'm sure a lot of the popularity of Samurai would fall off even if only mainly in the Hyur population.

Sounds just like WoW and their 50 rng drop pig butts :)

blue elf

Remaining DPS skills will be removed from healers.

Holy shit I found the one person who actually likes tri-bind I didn't think it was possible

Yeah the japanese superhumans can't be compared to the lowly western degenerates

Lol no they arent dumbass. Even their best monk basically said "at least it isnt a literal ahit sandwich". No one is theory crafting, because everything is so simple now

>guy made thread last night saying he's lonely in FC
>tell him i'm in his FC and to message me
>he doesn't

God you complainers of wanting people to play with are antisocial.

tribind is being replaced with an actually useful ability

It does more damage when under DWT, ya brainlet

Bring back fracture. ARR monk was basically perfect.

Most of the people who decried it still played it. And the devteam's only metric for content is how much of the community played it.
Hell, BLU is probably considered a moderate success by SE since most of the people bitching about bothered to get it to 50.

We knew this already.

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le 4% face

I disagree, granted I never reached Pyros, which is where I hear it gets better, but I played through Anemos, which was 90% sitting around and waiting for shit to happen, then we got Pagos which was more of the same but even more tedious, so I dropped it and just never bothered going back
maybe I should have stuck with it, but I just couldn't be bothered with it.
wouldn't have minded trying BA, but alas, it was Hydratos content and I just couldn't be arsed to make it that far
I feel with Eureka, they kind of floundered around and didn't really know what they wanted from it, nor did they expect players to do it the way they did, either way, I really hope ShB Eureka is more focused and less waiting around for something interesting to eventually happen

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no one is theorycrafting because the game is easy and theorycrafters are retarded

Check the jap OF they aren't really happy with the changes.
Even SAM's.
Post 5ch threads/posts though, I'm interested.

bros I thought Aether was full of people that play the game...

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Honestly, "endgame" Eureka, excluding Pagos because fuck Pagos, was probably legit the least painful relic step since the original ARR Zenith step. It's just a fate train and you can select a bunch of Bonus skills that either make you better at your job or let you heal and resurrect without having to Play a snorefest job.
It's the leveling that irredeemably sucks. If they get rid of that, Eureka would be okay.

tranny with a nude mod lol

So? It's a fucking garbage skill that needed to be retooled a long time ago. It's barely even worth it in the optimal situation as it is now.

>OF

everyone who posts on the OF in all language is a moron. if you are not a moron, you get banned for saying something the morons disagree with.

housing

You mean that phase that you end almost immediately in all SMN aoe situations?

I play healer whilst having a lovesense prostate massager up my ass that responds to the sounds of the game, I have it set up so that if someone takes too much damage it makes a ping noise which sends the toy into overdrive. If your healer stops responding sorry thats me.

Ah, so you just afk'd and didn't spawn or conduct

>whilst
Shut up fag.

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That's what everyone with a brain did. Go spawn those NMs for me, wagie! You'll keep seething, but you'll never stop giving me those free crystals, will you?

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A little untoward, don't you think?

Good thing I play a game that encourages you to think about how you play your class instead of following the rotation the devs told you to do lmao

Oh wow, you play Neverwinter too? uwu whats your ign?

muh aether

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WE ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME

I wonder how these stats will look next tier after everyone left Crystal.

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I helped spawn plenty of things a number of times, eventually I would get bored and AFK a while because killing shit for 15 mins straight with nothing happening is fucking tedious and unfun
even when you spend most of your time hitting shit, you are still just waiting for something interesting to happen, eat shit

>i'll never learn Japanese and move to Japan and actually play the game
Bros...

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I'm surprised that the EU DCs have basically the same clear rates.

Eureka is fun for the first few days when the new map launches. Fate trains are never fun.

how will aetherlets ever recover

>Crystal below frogland

the krauts and the baguettes are both equally shit

Why is this surprising?

didn't yoshi say he wanted FFXIV to be a casual playground so people can come back whenever they wanted and whenever they felt like it because the progress doesn't matter

>love Zweihanders and big European 2-handed swords in general
>would have to play gross DRK

>Want to get into XIV
>Every expansion kills a job and I don't want to it to be the one I used next

I hate this.

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Why not make it so levelling one job levels the entire role then? That way theres no excuse not to be able to play each tank, each dps, each healer and still keep them unique.

Everyone plays at least 3 jobs in this game

European weebs are shit at everything bro, they can't into bideogaems. So when you combine FF with something that requires a spark of brain function the majority will just seize to breathe.

It's because they literally split Chaos in two based on clear rates.
A lot of my friends who want to raid went to Chaos now though, seems Light will be slightly worse for raiding.

>sticking with just one job

Why even play?

there is literally no expansion where a job is completely non-viable
this is probably the most balanced MMO out there, arguably one of the most well balanced games ever made considering the meta is completely irrelevant unless you're obsessed over parsing which does not actually give you any rewards

>It's because they literally split Chaos in two based on clear rates.
It was based on population.

>this will one day be WoL in between the twins
It hurts

>Making the fights go faster thereby making the fight easier does not matter

???????????????

>>Tanks
>PLD > WAR > GNB > DRK
PLD can't MT, make them directly C-tier

I'm in japan for another few months, instead of playing with high ping to NA servers should I actually just transfer to jap ones and then transfer back?

Never ever because of the time bubble.

None of the differences in dps are fucking significant enough to make the fight go that much noticeably faster

If the boss dies it doesn't matter

If you don't mind wasting 36$.

at meta you're saving seconds at best. Most time saving comes from actual skill, not whether or not you assembled the right combination of jobs.

No fight goes that much faster in a speedrun.

Can confirm the DC splits were all roughly based on population numbers, not clear rates.

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Why would you waste time playing FFXIV when you can enjoy nipland.

>It's faster because I do 1.3% more DPS!

Do you actually have autism?

Sorry monk you're in my raid spot. You have to go to the back of the line with mch.

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>week of TK shitposting
This is strange because monks are small minority in xiv threads. Why suddenly everyone and their mothers play monk and crying about TK rotation? Suspicious.
Also this new SSS skill can work in theory. If we go full sks in ShB this mean we need to slow down sometimes. SSS is great for slowdown. But in same time we lost shitty oGCD so I'm not sure if we will need to slow down at all. Everything can be fixed tho
>tackle give use 1GL per hit
That's it. TK rotation is alive and better.

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1.3% in a whole party that is doing 1.3% extra adds up to 10.4% user, it's like you're immensley retarded.

here's the thing, there will always be a meta, always, there will always be a comp that is mathematically better in some way, the thing is, unless you are top fucking percentage, it really won't matter, synergy only works when everyone knows their shit and timings, for the average raider, it will make very little difference, skill the is the biggest factor in your kill time, everything is viable and can kill shit in good time if played well, a speedrun comp will only be noticeably faster if everyone is on fucking point at all times

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>only exists because of trick attack

is there a more cucked job?

>spent the last few hours watching this trio of players outside of Ul'Dah have a spar, before talking about dragons, pregnancies, and ovary and testes enlargement
>they're still at it
This is something, I guess. Is this the norm?

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>He doesn't know about the bara hot springs scene

If you're on Balmung or Mateus then yes.

There's only one guy completely obsessed about the TK rotation who has to bring it up in every thread. Just ignore him and don't mention MNK in any way shape or form and we'll be gucci.

I always played monk since I started, fuck off. SSS is a dps loss because you're pausing your GCDs and you'd make up the damage if you had done 123456 instead of 12..34
>want to slow down
Feel free to choke on your job stone any time

The difference between a meta comp and random shit thrown together is 45 seconds.

99% of your issues with this game are solved if you just unsub.

100% of your issues are solved if you kill yourself, yet you're still here

No it isn't, it never will be, you know why? Cause shitters die and get debuffed, shitters stand in avoidable damage, shitters don't use their cds properly for tank busters resulting in more gcds wasted healing. It'll never amount to that.

Have sex.

>want to slow down
But you need slow down if you have high sks. Monks do this shit sometimes. Bootshine. Why are you so mad and aggressive?

Well shit. I guess all the memes about Balmung are true.
Please explain.

NO user DON'T REPLY STOP

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Yes it is, user, it literally is. I'm talking about optimal play. Picking a party with absolutely zero synergy at all vs a perfect speedrun comp and executing both perfectly is roughly 45 seconds of difference on most fights.

people socialize on your servers?

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It's just an autistic RoF hater. They aren't interested in learning anything new or performing well so they try to attack anyone that is with any bullshit they can, like aggressively claiming Monk is a job that is and always was and forever will be defined by gcd speed. It's in every thread.

Because nipland isn't actually that different besides having worse food and way more asians

>talking with some guy in linkshell
>he says that ShB MCH is going to have super bad ping problems and so won't play it
>ask him how exactly its going to have bad ping problems
>he says he doesn't know, just that it will
>ask how if he doesn't know, why does he think it will be bad
>he said some theorycrafter said it will be bad
>ask how they said it will be bad
>I dunno lol
>he then says SCH is going to be the worst healer
>ask him to explain
>says he doesn't know, just that someone said it will be
why are people like this?

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>Doesn't even understand the argument
>Continues to post this dumb shit response

Kill yourself, queer.

imagine the person making this shaking with anger

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>Stormblood removed all complexity from DRG
>Shadowbringers removes all complexity from MNK and SAM
I can't wait for 6.0 to remove Mudras

They sure as hell RP., which I guess I shouldn't be surprised about. This shit is kinda surreal, since I haven't exposed myself to this stuff before.

You go to reddit too? Haha imagine that haha

Because retards exist who want my job to be shredded to bits because "waah TK too hard waah". I dont even care about TK rotation not coming back, I wasnt expecting it to stay for SHB, but I am fucking seething that every monk player here bitches about supposed slowdown from TK rotation due to dumping stacks yet is 100% on board with not only the job regressing but also being slowed down by RoF, Anatman, and SSS.

>how healing potency calculates got nerfed
>benific 2 at level 80 heals as much as it does right now at 70 in i400
>but people will have 70-90k hp

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hahahaha

One of my fondest memories of Balmung is two RP FCs with feuding members settling their shit in the middle of Ul'dah, with the members in question beating the shit out of each other while everyone else had knives and guns at each other's throats in case anyone tried tricky shit. Wasn't even a scheduled event, those two got into a fight with some other members around and more of them trickled in over the span of like an hour until it was a dense-ass crowd. All in all it was like 40 people combined just from those two FCs.
They were doing it in /say and /yell on the stairs right out the Quicksands' north door so you had people coming out to watch, comment on it, cheer one or the other on, and so on. One of my guildmates placed a bet on the WAR and made 20k off of it. Shit was nutty.

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Because you keep trying to spread this absolutely wrong bullshit:
fflogs.com/zone/rankings/25#boss=64&partition=1

Almost every parse in the top 45 seconds is some variation on a "meta comp," aka anything that includes BRD DRG as of Alphascape.
Until you can show the class an example of the same group's clear times with a synergistic comp vs a non synergistic comp you are absolutely full of shit.
There are so many factors at play and you are completely misrepresenting any of them.

How many of those are perfect play?

QUEUE FOR MAHJONG

>implying fairy choice ever mattered
Fey wind was shit after the first nerf.

I actually like that people provide their own red flags so I know to ignore them. I avoid PFs that demand reddit meta jobs like the plague and my PF experience has been improved tenfold.

What the fuck are you talking about? Picrelated. Slowing down in situations specially to align with buff windows or drifted oGCD. You even hit extra bootshine for delay. Optimal TK rotation is not even high sks. It's not fast.

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None of them, and that's a nonsensical unachievable metric. You can have two completely equivalent executions and one could be seconds faster thanks to crits.

play grub

>Le ScHolAr RoTatIoN WaS SO le CoMpLeX
Anyone who complains about healer changes are just a fucking faggot that needs to kill themselves.

no thanks sounds shity.

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What is that sock puppets attack? Is that new?

Someone should show him SMN rotation.

no rotation is high SS because SS is a dead stat that's fucking useless compared to literally every other stat. Even on SAM high SS is a meme.
Optimal TK rotation is the most GCDs throughout a fight of any job besides ninja. Just like literally every other iteration of monk.

>He still doesn't understand why the complaints

LMAO LOOK AT THIS DUDE HAHAHHAH SO FUCKING RETARDED HE COMES IN HERE AND ACTS LIKE HE KNOWS SHIT BUT HE DOESNT KNOW FUCK ALL HAHAAHHA LAUGH AT THIS RETARD

No one is okay with any of that shit. The whole fucking problem is that MNK is losing a lot more than the TK rotation without fixing any of its other problems or getting anything else in return. Anatman and SSS are downtime tools, fine, whatever, but they should replace our existing shit-tier downtime tools like RoE and TK and not abilities that we use constantly like IR and Howling Fist. RoF keeping its slowdown is fucking baffling when it was the number one complaint about MNK for all of Stormblood, and it's legitimately incomprehensible when you see Yoshi say in the Famitsu interview that Monks didn't like the slowdown so we fixed it.

user that guy has never even touched a healing job in his life. Cut him some slack

dilate

>Even on SAM high SS is a meme.
I seen japs using high sks. What is damage difference?

>job I don't play being fun BAD
>job I don't play being boring GOOD

t. a fucking faggot who needs to kill himself

also unsub please

You're an embarrassment and your 3 iq job is fitting for you.

I have no idea what MNK is about now thanks to this thread. I thought I just punched shit and had fun.

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IT'S FUCKING 7:20 AM ON THE EAST COAST WHY ARE THERE SO MANY NIGGERS CLOGGING UP THE LEAP OF FAITH ON AETHER AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH GO TO WORK YOU FUCKING WAGIES

SAM BiS is high SkS.

What the fuck did Monks do to you, Yoshi?

Neither do the devs

that's what you do, parsetrannies are mad because yoshi killed their meme rotation

top fflogs SAM use sks build

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>BRD and MCH lose their execute
>AoE Mana regen gone for utlity
>The Wildfire is still in
What the fuck is happening to my book boys?

ITS NOT ABOUT THE TK YOU STUPID FAGGOT

A tiny amount, but you have to be fed goads constantly with it and you still do slightly less damage.

>PaLaDiN cAn'T mAiN tAnK

When are we getting more khloe content

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There are a variety of BiS sets ranging from 890 SS to 2700 SS. However the highest SS sets are a DPS loss in a group with a DRG and SCH

>PLD can't MT
Why not?

Now you just punch shit without having fun.

phwoaar look at those jugs

you DID accept him, right Yea Forums?

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>only 1.9k
>sks build

>Echo logs

What are you guys going do main in 5.0?

Paladin's literal only problem with main tanking is that it cannot generate a good aggro lead on pull without gutting its dps. This problem is completely gone in Shadowbringers. You don't know shit about tanking and probably main WHM.

The best part is that all the issues with the TK rotation arose because they removed Fracture meaning there was no way to avoid clipping Demolish ticks. So instead of adding something to fix that they just remove the TK rotation entirely so now you just have to rape your DPS by overwriting buffed Demolishes or losing Demolish ticks.

I did but he tried to kill me anyway. What a mad lad.

Why does everyone look like a whore in this game?

>PLD can't MT

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No they don't. They use a crit build because it edges out the high SS builds.

nigga you can see the stats

>Echo logs
If echo logs are not legit nothing is legit. Especially user posts.

Autism is highly correlated with transsexuality. Speedruns and metaslaves are almost always autistic. Do the math.

damn, guess that makes all the times i've MT'd as PLD pure fiction

They're not legit because people who care don't raid when echo comes out.

WHM or SCH
I am a lazy shitbeast so I am happy that dps rotations are simplified for healers. I can just hit a single button for healer and focus more on watching the boss for mechanics and my team's HP instead of having to keep track of when it's time to use miasma again.

Then what the fuck is it about because you've literally done nothing but bitch about TK this entire thread.

dancer like everyone else

The SS build is 2730 SS, you fucking retard.
>SAM players in charge of knowing their own fucking job

Diminishing returns?

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No. the 1700-1900 range is the max possible SS without sacrificing any crit. Crit is objectively better than SS for SAM unless you're in a group without any of the crit boosting jobs (SCH DRG BRD). No 95+ SAM is going to be using the high SS build because it requires you dumping crit.

How exactly do I maximize my gains from this event? Just slap the FC buff on and clear out the challenge log + fashion report every week?

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So
>user sad X is not viable
legit? How can you even prove "X is not viable" if even fflogs are no legit? By streaming your parse?

READ THE THREAD YOU ILLITERATE KEK. PERFECT BALANCE, ROF, SSS, FISTS OF EARTH, ANATMAN, INTERNAL RELEASE, NO STUN ON TACKLE, NO SILENCE ON ARM OF THE DESTROYER, RNG FOR YOUR CRIT RNG. THE JOB IS FUCKED UP, IT DOESNT KNOW WHAT IT WANTS TO BE

Chocobo racing

By using pre-echo parses?

Sounds like YOU'RE fucked up and YOU don't know what you want the job to be.

Will I be thought less of for using RDM?

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2k sks is still pretty fast. Compared to MNK builds

And because he removed half the job's kit and replace it with

I hope Milala shows up again in the 80 job quest.

2k SS is 0.01s faster than MNK GCDs

I'm genuinely worried this user is going to have a stroke before we reach page 10.

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>not going full speed on monk
it's not like you're getting picked for speedrun groups anyway, might as well have fun with it.

Yes

Not when you're pumping a dead stat you're not

You can't call someone the best when actual parses are like this.

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Not really.

The only dead stat on monk is level because monk is a dead class.

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reminder to not listen to Yea Forums about meta because almost nobody here has ultimate clears, or even full savage clears, and believe in idiotic shit like black mage being meta

Not really since it's part of the highest DPS comp

Notice how none of those have more than 2k SS?

Yes, but not as much as when you pick a difficult job and fail to perform. Know your limits.

Well show better parses. I don't know.