So, why do japs hate god so much anyway?

Why do so many adult Americans unironically believe he's real?

>Don't do thing
>Says who?
>God

Because she is?

Charles Xavier wasn't American?

>Yaldaboth
>God
everytime

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> he has never felt GOD
wew

Yeah, but it's more.. I don't want to say novelty of the belief, but they don't really say genuine prayers to the gods the way you would in christianity. The minor amount of people who actually practice Shinto, sure, but it's like 5% of the population at most.

Japs are based and truthpilled

DESTROY THE DEMIURGE

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>Yaldaboth
at least post SMT or something where you get to punch YHVH to death

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YHVH isn't even god though. He's just one giant asshole posing as him.

Same thing with all the "christians" here who's only time they attend church is during a wedding or funeral.

>SATANAEL, RAVAGE HIM WITH A BULLET MADE OUT OF THE 7 DEADLY SINS
People don't actually enjoy this kind of writing, right? To be fair though, I'd have less of an issue with Yaldabaoth, if his design wasn't so fucking stupid.

It's still closer to actual god at a surface, bait level than Yaldy

Isn't YHVH in SMT essentially just Yaldabaoth though? One big false flag operation?

It's kinda silly but when you get to watch an archdemon bust a fucking cap through Yaldaboth's head it gets a pass thanks to rule of cool

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>being is referred to as god
>universe doesn't owe existence to said being
>said being can't simply erase dissenters
>dissent even means anything in the first place to said being
Nice 'god' you got there.

>Yaldaboth
>God
Can you just kill yourself already you secondary?

Teenagers and weebs. Honestly Persona beimg popular isn't that crazy to me, it's very "geeky teenager" friendly, but rather how many adults enjoy it.

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congratulations retard, you properly identified the demiurge as a demiurge

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At least the Jap don't vote on religious values.
That shit is ruining America.

Good end is the only legitimate ending. Your dog hating you automatically makes the Bad end unfeasible.
Primal Ending sounds nice but White End was for faggots in SMTIV and this is just that so it's faggotry.
Humanity Ending is just exacerbating the current issues we have now.

white people are slaves to a sandnigger god.

Who?

Which god?

It's your generic "be free and true to yourself, not a slave to society". Never a bad message, but P5 doesn't do anything particularly exciting with it.

It's ironic coming from P5 though. Japan are some of tbe biggest fucking sheep on the planet, ecen worse then American normalfags. These are the idiots who put actual money into gacha, you can't get much more brainless then them. For agame about freedom from society Atlus sure creates a lot of merchaindise to sell to sell to waifufags.

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>"This is the strongest Mechon, ever created. Yaldabaoth.."
On another note, which is better, design wise?

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I suspect it's not irony that P5 has that theme. I would posit that the people who decided on theme are pretty fed up with how shit salaryman life is in Japan and want something to change.

>she
Pretty sure Asherah was stricken from canon the moment her images were taken down from Solomon's temple.

>The Axiom keeps creating Messiahs just to dab on YHVH
Fucking based.

Both are nothing great I feel, I guess the Xenoblade one would look decent as a mecha. In Persona 5 there's data suggesting Yaldabaoth was actually suppose to be Metatron. It would make the robotic appearance make far more sense.

The best Yaldabaoth will always be this one from SMT: NINE.

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The Gnostics believed that the god described in the old testament was a fake. They called it the Demiurge. They believe it fabricated the physical universe to keep the spirit trapped within it.

if you had a two inch dick you'd hate god too

Xenoblade Yaldabaoth obviously. No idea what this stupid shit in the OP is.

Is it this cringey dating sim JRPG with trannies and faggots on Snoystation?

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Yes and no. He is the Judeo-Christian god, but in megaten he is not the true creator. Essentially he believes himself ti be since that's what humans created him to believe. How a demon acts is based on humanity interpretating them. If humanity deems a demon as evil that demon will be evil, it will not be able to choose if it wants to be.

Can you prove he is not real?

have any of you actually read the bible? YHWH is such a giant cunt of a deity. most of the shit he does is so contradictory to his commands or simply capricious or downright masochistic it's insane

>I guess the Xenoblade one would look decent as a mecha
Wew, guess what it is.

Sorry, you're thinking of Xenoblade 2 user.

Have you seen how corrupt organizations like the church is in real life? Or how more people have been killed in the name of god than any other reason?

It's piss easy to make religion and God the bad guy.

Sorry, never played XB1. I thought the mechons were robots with tbeir owm conscious, not controllable mecha.

its like real life. resist yaldaboth and his (((followers)))

Not a single gay boy tranny or feminist in there, sorry. Just a lot of titty beasts wanting the protagonist's shota dick.

>tfw "edgy" is now literally whatever goes against tradition

> killing bad

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Everyone knows YHVH's a cunt.

Today people unironically pretend to be religious due to how bad fedora posting was years ago. It was to tbe point that even mentioning you were athiest in a proper context led to people posting fedora memes. Obviously fedora memes died down as that culture has changed but its effect is still ongoing. Tbere are people here who really pretend, or even actually are, religious while using Yea Forums. They're that retarded.

Can you prove I didn't shit my tighty whities?

>starting a consolewar
why would you do this
i'm more than happy to talk about both games, just why?

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When they're random innocents it is. Calling your neighbor a witch so tbey'll be burned alive because they pissed you off is corrup. Maybe if society killed murderers and pedophiles, people that actually deserve, so many people wouldn't complain. Instead death sentences can range so much that even something as stupid as sellimg weed may result in a death sentence somewhere.

>something as stupid as sellimg weed may result in a death sentence somewhere
And that’s an excellent thing

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>feminist
Do you deal with women at all? Every woman you deal with is probably a feminist. Stop equating tumblr's autism to women just wanted equal pay.

You like christ?
I will make you be like christ.
You go to him.
If real, you come back with him.
If not, I shit on your body.
HAHAHA

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Buddhism by far

Selling weed is nothing, weed seriously hurts basically no one. Stop being a retarded frog poster for one minute and actually think.

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Not only does weed not hurt anyone. Weed actually is a good anti-carcinogenic substance. It can literally prevent cancer.

No it fucking can't

It can. Scientists have known this since 1975, when it was first reported.

good find

That's not God that just a dick with ultimate power that treats humanity like a battery or trash

OH NO NO NO

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Pretty sure every major Abrahamic religion agrees Old Testament God was a huge cunt who was quick to anger and dealt punishments at the slightest affront. It wasn't until Jesus came around that he chilled the fuck out and stopped helicopter-parenting humanity.

I don't know maybe they are mad he made their dicks small but it's a tiring trope at this point that has lost its impact over the years, same with the "the church is le evil cause they misinterpreted the teachings" or whatever

bruh look at this dude...
he look he boutta drop a game about robot waifus

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Weed is the new fedora here. If you post you smoke it people just post DUDE WEED LMAO. It's true that stoners whose entire personality is how much they smoke weed are some of the most annoying cunts to come across but even just saying you do it makes you a target here.

They purged the christians from their country ages ago and good for them for wiping that shitstain off their country before it grew worse and messier.

Old testament God was based

Reminds me of the dumb fuck a few months back who went to some remote tribe to teach them of Jesus only to be killed while approaching them. They took his body too, I imagone their immune systems will be totally fucked and a portion were killed crom it.

Are you talking about the game or IRL?

There's not really many end game bosses that raise the steaks more than fighting god(s) even if it's a tired trope

And that’s a good thing
Fuck injuns

It's pretty hard to justify literally raining fire on people.

Shut up, redditor cuck

Buddhism is a religion without a deity.

Japan is also full of pedophiles and sex perversion and that doesn't exactly align with religious values.

imagine jesus trying to explain philosophy to a bunch of jewish peasants. no matter what he said he would have to tie it back in to their god and religion to even get them to listen in the slightest

i'm not convinced his overall message was even about being the son of the jewish god at all. it could have just turned into that over time, or it might have been something he said to make a metaphorical point about everyone being a "god" in a sense and that went over the shepherds heads

the guy had some good ideas though, from what survived through text at least

>Buddhism is a religion without a deity
What? Buddism has many gods and divine figures that are worshipped, did you mran to say a single deity?

YHVH is to the One True God of Monotheism as what the Chupacabra demon is to the Chupacabra. It is an entity created by the collective unconsciousness looking for reasons. It is our collective idea of the One True God of Monotheism, and that's its legitimacy. The Chupacabra seems like the genuine article because it's the collective idea of what we believe the Chupacabra to be like. These ideas give these beings their form and power. However, YHVH isn't God in the sense that we exist because it exists and created us. It may have those powers because that's our idea of God, but ideas can't exist without those to think of them. The Great Will of the Universe, the Axiom, is outside of human ideas. It existed before humans. It is the underlying foundation to reality. It isn't a single being that created humans in its own image and asked them to worship it. It's something outside of human understanding, that exists outside of human perception. If there were no humans, there would still be an Axiom. Stephen is the closest a human has come to understanding it. Because there is a Will, it's easy to think it's a godlike figure with desires, but it's more like why atoms exist or why physical laws work the way they do. That is the Will. Dagda wishes to escape from these "ideas" as thoughts and words are limiting. He wishes to go back to actually being the concepts before interpretation. The Axiom seems to be pre-interpretation and cannot be interpreted, which is what makes it truly almighty.

Why do you like the Demiurge?

> gnostic bullshit
yikes

>religious values
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAHAA

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I dig the head and the upper torso but everything else looks retarded.

That's a great explanation, too bad no one will actually read it since if you're not a megatenfag you don't care and if you are you already know that.

Agreed, homosexuality is indeed bad

youtube.com/watch?v=UISjgLu8zBA

You tell me.

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Thank you for the explanation, user.

it must be becauae they are suffering and want to destroy that what granted them life, but a terrible life at that. I can relate.

Nope Shinto

An omniscient thing decided to doom humanity forever because he made the devil and let him willingly corrupt humans with a fruit conveniently placed next to them, then a few millenia later he let his son die for reasons, humans should have a reason to hate him.

>yaldabaoth
>god

But humanity ending is the only way to truly be free.

I have and nothing in the Old Testament is contradictory. All of God’s commands are clear and concise. His punishments are also fair, but many times are withheld due to His mercy. I’m guessing anyone who says He isn’t kind are people who have only glanced at a story or two and haven’t actually sat down and read the whole thing, Psalms and all. Furthermore, the fact that He not only sent His only begotten son to absolve the world of its sin, but also sends His Holy Spirit, is definitely a sign that none of His behavior is cruel or in any way unjust. I want to say people are being edgy when they criticize Him, but I think it more comes from just the general severity of God’s punishments towards humanity in the early days of man.

>this entire fucking board using an offensive goddamn term for Japanese people in every fucking thread
I hate you all. And I'm not even Japanese. I just hate you fucking underage Dumbest Generation human scum for being so stupid.

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Let me educate you, Demiurge worshippers.

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>free
>forever confined to the prison of the flawed, 3D plane of the demiurge

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Why the fuck are there so many Gnostics on Yea Forums?

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We’ve slowly fallen away from God’s strait and narrow path of wisdom.

Thats why Tokugawa put them death.

Reminder

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Monotheistic god is a fucking boring mary sue who sounds like he was written by "that kid" who claims his power is having all the powers. I'd write my characters killing him off too.

No one fucks kids better than the religious.

They use good gods vs bad gods tho

i'd hate him too if i could barely see and had a small penis

Give historical and current examples of pneumatics,

these

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How can you not hate the Demiurge, he's a cunt.

>lucifer calls nanashi son of man
>good guy in game is called philemon
the main character is probably God

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>god is a pretty cool guy
>MC thanks god for creating them

Based kinoblade.

I'll take the true secret ending.

Why do burgers get so upset when a videogame makes you defeat a god?

Because the Shogun outlawed Christianity for 100s of years in Japan’s recent history and killed any Christians they found, as well as expelling Dutch missionaries. This, of course, affected Japanese societies, view of Christianity going forward

How the fuck is Gnosticism related to Christianity again? It's like Aliens or Buddhists mind raped an early christian monk into writing down a new religion and he had to wing it real hard.

Probably because it could be seen as trivializing the concept of the one true God and turning Him into a fallible creature that can be overcome by humanity’s will. Final Fantasy VII literally has you facing off against “Jenova.”

Based. I do the same when I play shogun 2.

Just because few CIA plants did it, doesn't mean entire Church was taking part.

>Is it this cringey dating sim JRPG with trannies and faggots
so xenoblade

>a few CIA plants
holy fuck lmao the denial hahahaha

Gnosticism is literally just Buddhism but with an explanation for Christ, so probably Buddha.

P5 last boss is not actually god.

Your sin is beyond the grace of god!

God? I don't wanna have anything with him.

Based megatenchad

Japs are literally incapable of comprehending God and so they seethe and make games where you can kill a fake version of Him.
Watch Silence, omnipotent God is beyond insect comprehension.

ironic of christians to call anyone pedos

>that edgy persona UI

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>confusing satanic catholics with actual christians
A common mistake for plebs like you.

Don't make fun of them, they can't think critically

no true scotsman

abrahamic god is boring mary sue bullshit.

Based.
Take your sophistry somewhere else.

same shit, ironic you wouldnt make this distinction for a muslim

Pointing out a fallacy isn't being fallacious you foolish fool.

There was literally no fallacy in that user’s statement. I normally wouldn’t recommend this, but I think Reddit is a site that’s more your speed.

It was classic no true scotsman faglord. Christian priests fuck kids end of story.

because most weebshit has gnostic themes

Catholic* priests
Everyone with a brain knows Catholic church is actually a satanic cult.

>Satanic Catholics are Christians now
Please tell me you don’t actually believe this.

absolutely brilliant

As a Việt Buddhist I have to ask, what with your obsession with shitting on the christian? Do you have a personal vendetta against them or something?

I guess it is the time to post this again. Like someone said before, it is used a trope they like to use. A lot.

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all christcucks have been led astray by satan

He's probably a seething muslim or an edgy atheist.

Do not speak out against the Exarchs user

How can Christians be led astray by Satan and still be called Christians? No, it is Satan who has led astray the world and it is the ones who believe in Christ who practice the truth. This truth is given freely by God to anyone who asks, and the same is given of His forgiveness through Jesus Christ. Now repent, user, judgment comes soon, probably sooner than the translation for Devil Summoner.

You're all the same.
They worship christ AND they came before whatever offshoot you are.
I think all abrahamic religions are fucking retarded honestly.

Retarded they maybe but calling them pedo that rape kids are incredibly disingenuous.

>christcuck
>playing literal heretical gook games
lol
thanks for proving my point

Not at all, the second they protected priests that did this shit they were unforgivable.

FUCK EXARCHS
FUCK ARCHIGENITORS
FUCK SEERS OF THE THRONE
AND FUCK THE ABYSS

Not really, people call them out all the time especially with the current year political climate and it's anti christian stance. Now every argument against them is "muh pedo", and I as a Buddhist can not accept this blatant attack.

Because the idea of an omnipresent watcher who judges your every action on if it's good or bad would probably help is developing the moral sense of society.

Also it gives dumbasses who only think of themselves or "pragmatists" a reason to not be a douche. Also a decent(?) set of morals for retards to follow.

It’s not what goes into the body that defiles a man, but what comes out. Everything in this world is defiled in some way, but it is ultimately all God’s anyway. Should a man not eat meat offered to idols? According to the Bible, this is okay now that Christ has purified the bodies of those who have been made perfect in Him. The point being that man must live in this world of sin and temptation, but not be of this world. We must love the people in it, but not the things in it. We as Christians cannot separate ourselves in the physical, rather, we must do so via the Holy Spirit that works through us.

No, they just get shifted around. The priests should be punished to the full extent of the law. Until that happens the church is a pedo organization.

whatever you say pedo

>Defending people that got labeled wrongly.
>suddenly I'm the pedo.
I'm sorry but what is wrong with you?

>tfw catholics gave christianity a bad name with inquisition, various massacres and now pedophilia
All according to Satan's plan.
Pretty good plan, gotta admit.

For me it's Xenoblade Yaldabaoth. His introduction gave me a big "Woah" reaction, and the golden aura he has in-game is so badass. It also looks great in motion

They're the OG christians.

Probably a vast majority of them, aince they believe in fucking bigfoot

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No they're not.
Orthodox church is the OG christianity, look it up pleb.
Catholics are a pope worshipping cult.

Everything I can find disagrees with you.

Look up east west schism of 1054. Before that, catholic and orthodox church were unified.
Catholics are basically heretics who teach that pope can do no wrong and all must listen to him. Real christians know that is complete bullshit and a blatant power grab.

St. Augustine was literally a gnostic. it's kind of his fault.
or do you mean even earlier?

Desn't the orthodox church have a main boss too, the patriarch I believe?

>that AESTHETIC persona ui
ftfy

Sounds like the orthodox church are just heretics desu.

Every orthodox church has a patriarch, he's respected as first among the bishops but doesn't have any insane political power.
He can't absolve you of sins or declare a holy war like pope can.
He's kinda there to wish you a happy christmas and easter.

that doesn't even make sense, christcuck

Yeah, because Jesus told everyone the bishop of Rome is his heir and everyone must obey him as he was Jesus himself.
Give me a break, heretic.

>tfw protestant but has been to a russian orthodox sermon, now forever enthralled with the ida that worship should mimic the timelessness and dramaturgy of the gospel, yearning for the ikonostasis

fuck

Because they met her and she was black

the US is literally the only country in 2019 that still has a majority of a chistian population

It was dumb the other billion times you posted it, too.

Don't call me a heretic, I'm too smart to follow abrahamic shit.

i'd like to see a source on that.
christianity is growing in south america, i don't believe the US is the only place where the church is strong.

if so then abandon all hope.

>if so then abandon all hope.
this is why you have one of the lowest average IQ among civilized countries

You people have it all wrong.
We’re actually prisms of light animating clay. Mortality is just our eternal souls dipping their toes into a physical form. Everything our cow/bug logic brains perceive is a lie

There are NO lines, that’s an illusion we make for ourselves

The truth of existence is chaos.
Everything is a firestorm of color on the tapestry of causality, and every hue washes and flows together into a painting of the universe

Every study I've seen shows religious people as having less empathy and lower morality. It's only the fear of hell that stops them from being total shitheels. That's the only reason I like religion, some people are fucking animals and you need to control them with fear.

are you the same poster i quoted?
do you have a source for that claim? when i look it up it seems the average IQ in the US is 98, which is perfectly average.
also i'm Swedish.

mind sharing one of these studies?
also >believing in hell
don't do this.

>the truth of existence is Chaos
Yeah, I'm gonna call heresy on that.

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Pedophilia

this but in a happy way

>Jesus told everyone the bishop of Rome is his heir
Where? Don't pull mental gymnastics bullshit, please; just give me a direct answer. Jesus is alive, by the way.

i think he was strawmanning the other persons argument, seeing as how the other person thought the orthodox were the heretics.

youtube.com/watch?v=Kzm5_So1z1E

Thanks for the context, user.

Okay it wasn't Jesus, but the entire basis of papal authority is based on a forgery:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation_of_Constantine

news.uchicago.edu/story/religious-upbringing-associated-less-altruism-study-finds

Funny, they all preach generosity, but none of them do it. Almost like they're only religious to feel superior.

Get fucked.

Those miserable emotionalists will not answer you except with offended attempts at mockery. Also, Jesus spoke of Hell and the lake of fire: "where the worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched." Please make sure you're saved, precious friend: Romans 10:9, Acts 16:30-31

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Thank you very much for this, user! It is a
undisputed historical fact that Emperor "By this [cross] THOU shalt conquer" Constantine supported Arius during the Council of Nicaea, that his sister Constantina was Arian, that Contantius his son and successor was Arian, and that his chief advisor, Eusebius of Caesarea (who created much of the false history Roman Catholics dogmatically must believe in), was Arian and was temporarily excommunicated by the Biblical bishops for being so (see first two paragraphs of his Wikipedia article for proof). I was not aware of this document, however. Take care, and God bless you.

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>they don't believe in letting criminals go free and housing every refugee
Well, you tried. Also, statistics prove that the "religious" are far more giving and compassionate than the "non-religious": see "Who Really Cares?" by leftist author Arthur C. Brooks

>ruining America
Used to be, you mean. California liberals are more of a problem at the moment

>heresy of Arius
I never thought about that, thanks for pointing it out.
You're welcome friend, God bless you too.

Something something free will something something controlling your own destiny.

what are you even trying to tell me here. that God does not exist in a material world?

>Canada, China, Jordan, Turkey, USA, and South Africa
i do not think these countries can set the example for religious people everywhere.
would you happen to have a similar study done in Europe or the South Americas?

i am not certain it is from hell that mankind wishes to be saved in those texts. but i will meditate on this, and your concern and kindness is much appreciated and reciprocated!

Link the study like I did. Not just some author. Giving to the church doesn't count as actual generosity for the record.

You didn't read the study I linked at all did you?
No, doubt it would be any different though. You're welcome to search.

Blah blah fate, blah blah bonds, blah blah my friends are my strength

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>friends are my strength
nothing annoys me in a story more than that

Use this to get straight to this point to a papist, if you need.

By the way, I don't think Origen is all bad or that he wasn't necessarily a saved Christian, but it is a fact that

1. He didn't believe anyone was going to Hell.
2. Arius and Eusebius BOTH attributed their Arianist beliefs to his teachings.

Again, all these statements can be verified just by visiting the corresponding Wikipedia pages. It's truly mind-blowing info.

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There's also almost always a "Caring for others? Bah! MUH POWER!" delivered sometime prior.

Couldn't find a link to his stats from the book, but here are two related studies featured respectively in the Times and RT:
nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html

rt.com/usa/193952-charity-conservatives-religion-utah/

They were fags doing erp on a public server, he had to ban them

most people are straight up insane, religion is just a socially acceptable madness

And the dumb thing is that they're usually right

Can you show me where in the Bible it says to reverence and/or pray to inianimate objects? He took upon Himself flesh, not wood or stone.
>God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands. - Acts 17:24

so it turns out the study you cited has been critiqued for not properly taking into examination that the countries (and therefore the culture surrounding the kids) might have an impact on their levels of altruism. according to a re-examination of the data (original paper seems to be dead but i think this article would at least allow for reasonable doubt to be cast on your source npr.org/sections/13.7/2016/08/15/490031512/does-religion-matter-in-determining-altruism?t=1559823397928) when the impact of the countries/cultures is properly taken into account, the significant difference made by being religions/non-religious goes away.

according to this study religious children might also be /more/ altruistic than non-religious children, as long as the recipient is said to be in a needing position ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29595308.

i don't really want to die fighting for this hill, but i thought it was interesting when you said that /every/ study you had read on the matter stated that religiousness mean less altruistic. i think that's a rather grave exaggeration, considering you seemingly only knew of one such study.

>religion is just a socially acceptable madness
It served more as a method for control and creating a sense of cultural and communal unity.
Places where religion is deeply ingrained in the people tend to be more unified, the downside to that is it makes them essentially tools for whoever is at the head position.

Dude it says conservatives are more generous not religious folks. I've voted right before and I'm not religious at all. It also admits much of that is donating to church which again doesn't count, you're just paying pedos in dresses to fuck your kids at that point.

The evidence (according to ~100% of historians) says otherwise: see pic here

>America
Portugal.

Because he's the god of the nation that nuked the shit out of them and reduced them to anime-masturbating pansies

Altruism is a loose and indefinite term, meaning he is desperately reaching, only accepting "altruism" as referring to "leftist policies".

the concept of a god and the creator are different.

like if you are a human and work really hard and get really good in something and you can become a god of that thing,

you might be a shitty person besides that thing but you will still be a god, a shitty god maybe but still a god.

that gods you see in the games are those gods.

Love you friend, and God bless you. As soon as possible, ask God to give you the answers about this and to reveal Himself to you, and He will.

>they're a majority non-religious.
oh my sweet summer child

I've read more, that's the only one I was able to find at a moments notice. I'm at work.

>oh my sweet summer child
you need to go back to where the women are

Not so.

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That is some next level satanistic conspiracy to fuck up christianity forever.
Reminds me of that story about an ex jesuit priest who found documents proving Vatican basically founded Islam so they could destroy the real (orthodox) church.

Reread the Times article. It says "religious" liberals and conservatives are both far more generous than those that consider themselves "secular".

A god doesn't matter because a god is essentially just an overpowered human and there's no real reason to be upset if you get to kill someone like Thor because they have physical forms, are fallible, and susceptible to injury in their canons. God is a different thing, it makes no sense to be able to defeat God considering God can wipe you from existence just by willing it (Sodom and Gomorrah is a perfect example where he literally just turned people into salt), can't be harmed in any way, already knows if you're going to attempt to "kill" him before you even attempt it because he knows everything you've ever thought or said, and it just makes no sense to begin with. In this example God basically has the same attributes as a force of nature. Could you kill the wind if you punched the air hard enough? No? Then how are you going to kill God? Hell, even the thought of it goes against the entire concept of what God is, it simply makes no sense.

It also attributed most of that to church donations. Again those don't count.

It's also objectively wrong and compels them to accept absurd propositions as reality.
see None of these things means that god is real and everything in that book will come true.

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i sense much butt hurt in you

youtube.com/watch?v=gdOVl4rt8cQ

there is one nice thing about SMT that give you multiple choices with consequences.
the hardest path is always helping humanity escape from the light and dark chess.

god i hate that shit
>most of media in the world: "break your routine ,be your self and do what you want. Dont let anyone control you"
Just try to come late one day to your "liberal" boss or tell him that work is boring and that it is wrong that he dont stop annoying you.
It is fun mocking religion restriction and loving freedom until money get involved

how about the Ark?

ah, sorry for being so polemic then. thank you for your time, i appreciate the time spent thinking about this!

actually if you had read the studies cited you would find that in this instance altruism is a very specific form of sharing, and thus perfectly useable for the purposes of the studies.

what does it mean for something to be objectively wrong?

No worries. I shouldn't make claims if I can't back them up at that time.

That is a very interesting topic you brought up. Pic is corroborating evidence for the Vatican's role in Islam's creation (which clearly and objectively split off into its own thing by the 8th century). Here is the (Roman Catholic) website where I found it: crc-internet.org/our-doctrine/catholic-renaissance/islam/islamophobia-islamology/
Search for "Gedera Palestine Muawiya Cross inscription" for more. In fact, you can read Robert Spencer's book "Did Muhammad Exist?" for a detailed look at this, as well as many other materials, here: drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3t5eZNp8KKPclFLSkwxVXIzOGc

>that ex-Jesuit priest
You mean Alberto Rivera? He said that his Jesuit Superior Augustin Bea told him these things. Here is the evidence that Rivera was being honest: drive.google.com/file/d/1RBSthwHlPW1OSim13eDNWTjraPn9G7Wy/view?usp=drivesdk

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people don't walk on water or come back from the dead. Have you ever once seen it happen? It's biologically and physically impossible. It violates the rules of nature, that's why those beliefs are objectively wrong.

Matter doesn't create itself, user. Also, see this to quickly understand another reason why that God must exist: youtube.com/watch?v=xBmAKCvWl74

>Matter doesn't create itself, user.
This is God. You are literally attributing human observations to a being that can will people out of existence, burn a bush and speak through it, can flood the Earth by making the clouds constantly deluge it, can use lightning to carve instructions into rocks, can turn people into salt, and so on. If you're going to argue that God has to be physical and then just ignore all the things he made happen out of nothing then this is the strangest argument I ever heard.

I will never understand why Yea Forums, the place where loli, shota and futa porn is posted frequently somehow is filled with unironic christians.
What the fuck happened?

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They started out by being ironic but went too deep.

this place has always been contrarian

now that SJWs are mainstream, being a fundie christian is the only way to rebel

Do we know all the rules of nature?
Do we fully understand physics?
Have you seriously never experienced something you thought were impossible?
The point of contemporary theology is to practice thinking in a way that doesn't have to be as pragmatically oriented as the scientific way of thinking.

They have no souls and are mad jelly

>facts that dispel my bullshit don't count
Explain why without ad hominems. It said to charities, not to churches, by the way. Also, regardless, it said "if percentage of income is taken into account, religious conservatives give far more to secular causes in both financial and non-financial ways than those that identify as secular do."

I doubt even 1/10th of them have been to church in the last 6 months.

They clearly are not christians if they spend their time in this sinful shithole calling eachother faggots and niggers.

I can accept accepting that we don't know it all, but it's a huge leap to go from that to asserting that these outlandish stories are irrefutable.

The article mentions most of it is to the church. Donating to the church is not legitimate charity.

Why do westerners have an inferiority complex toward japan?

Not that user but not everyone calls people names. You accept that everyone is a sinner but that shouldn't stop you from following Jesus' lead.

fucking hell i hate this stupid shit. i'm one of the christcucks in this thread but anselm drives me up the fucking walls.
this is just a stupid logics argument, and the issue of something existing or not existing is the biggest bait the church has ever swallowed.

not many people in Japan actually practice shinto as a religion

>You are literally attributing human observations to a being that can will people out of existence, burn a bush and speak through it, can flood the Earth by making the clouds constantly deluge it, can use lightning to carve instructions into rocks, can turn people into salt, and so on.
>observations are bad
Historical and scientific data are bad, now?

>If you're going to argue that God has to be physical and then just ignore all the things he made happen out of nothing
When did I make this argument? After watching that video in the link I posted to you, try rephrasing your question, as it sounds like you are trying to ask something important despite the incoherency.

>the japs
did you miss the part where persona 5 is counter-culture as its driving theme

That's a lot of info, thanks mate.
I heard the story somewhere but I never saw the evidence so I took it with a grain of salt, but if you look closely at what catholic church did over the centuries, you can clearly see that they're a diabolical creation.

>how about the Ark?
What about it? Is God Almighty and have the power to defy physics and nature, or not? Think carefully about this.

Where? It used the word "charities" in one of the first few paragraphs in the Times article.

Here's another anecdote, brother: drive.google.com/file/d/1WQXqSj9OucLlTEzxItouwzwxR7E9AZYh/view?usp=drivesdk

i'm not saying they're irrefutable. far from it, faith and doubt require one another, as is demonstrated when Jesus doubts the goodness of God on the cross.
what i'm saying is that for someone to call something "objectively wrong" is for that person to assume a lot of knowledge. i don't think we humans have that knowledge.

Hardly a necessity for a moral society. Japan has much lower crime rates and is non-religious.

Actually America nuked their two most Christian cities Hiroshima and Nagasaki total coincidence goy

There's also the Cosmological, Moral, Teleological, and (a pic posted in this thread) Historical arguments, too, dude. The only way to avoid believing in God is to intentionally disregard the mountains of evidence for Him.

>Hardly a necessity for a moral society
he never said that

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why not?
because it's basically giving money to your own club?
or because you give of your own to the organization you believe in the most?
your goalposts are kind of hard to reach when you realize that a christian will mostly donate to their own church, since that is the place that a christian genuinely believes the donation will do the most good. disqualifying someone's altruism for giving their money to the organization they believe will handle it best is absurd.

Man, you people are fighting over your invisible friends and the best way to suck their dicks? Same as it ever was it seems.

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According to Google’s figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do.

It’s true that religion is the essential reason conservatives give more, and religious liberals are as generous as religious conservatives. Among the stingiest of the stingy are secular conservatives.

Their donations are to religious institutions.

Cosmological (or the cooler PRIME MOVER) is by far my favourite, Aquinas best boy.

Because you're basically just paying a membership fee. The church is rich as fuck. Donate to a real charity if you care.

i do not find any joy in this.
God is in the wind, dumbo.

The minimal amount of evidence that ALL historians agree on is that Jesus Christ (the only historically-provable God) was crucified, his worst enemies became his greatest advocates, and that over 500 eyewitnesses all stated that they all had the "same hallucination" about his resurrection: see pic here

>user states reason
>user refutes reason
>brainlet posts a wojak edit
Just another day at Yea Forums

Aquinas was very smart and well-organized, especially concerning this point, but it is very regretful that he supported the Dominican Inquistion which was against the Bible-believing Albigenses and Waldenses.

Its sort of like people who call themselves Catholic but only go to church on Easter

>This much reddit in one post
*Tips fedora

did you not read 3/4ths of my post?
you can't fault the christians empathy when the christian donates money to the organization the christian believes will make the most out of the donation.

>replying to a post from seven hours ago
How retarded are you?

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not to mention freeing the church of the west from the hell that is neo-platonism.

Is this just a low profile megaten thread?

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Thanks friend, I will check it out.

>user says something would probably help
>other user says its hardly a necessity
> I point out user never said religion was necessary just that it helps
>you decide to simplify things so far the whole conversation is unidentifiable

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>[religious] liberals give slightly more to charity than [religious] conservatives do

>Their donations are to religious institutions
You still haven't found a quote supporting that claim, because you misread the portions you quoted.

If you're going to say it's possible, you still have to explain how it's possible. Otherwise you have no ground to stand on.

Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have NO PLEASURE in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and LIVE: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Sure I can, it's coming out of a sense of obligation and probably going to bailout some childfucker.

I told you from the beginning we're not counting church donations. IT says right there if you remove those then nonreligious are ahead.

He is Almighty and also IS love, my friend (Rev. 1:8, Philippians 2:6-11). Don't let your feelings color your perpective on reality.

Tell Ezekial that's nice and all but how do you feel about the fact that coming to a site that posts loli and futa porn means you'll definitely burn in hell?

What is this PS2 game?

i have not claimed that anything specific is possible, have i?
but if those are your rules then i'm sure you can tell me how it's possible for something to be objectively wrong, knowing that we don't know anything. since those are the claims you have made.

It still says that religious liberals and conservatives give far more to charities (doesn't state whether religious or not) and also to secular causes like museums than those that are non-religious. You're conflating liberal with secular, something you falsely accused me of doing with "religious" and "conservatives" earlier.

how do you expect someone to be moral when their altruism can't be driven by a sense of obligation?
user are you feeling okay?

Both weren't "Christian", they just nuked one because the church was a good sized landmark to aim at.

Lord Jesus, who knew no sin, came to sinful Earth to become sin for us (while we were yet sinners), that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

sure, can the surface tension of water hold a human? No? Then it's not possible. Do the laws of nature change between the Eras? No? Then it isn't possible, objectively.

Work.

Religion, for people who don't abuse it or go overboard with enforcing it, is just a system of encouraging yourself and a community of like-minded people to behave in a morally upright way.

What's insane about that?

According to Google’s figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do.

This is no longer referring to religious people.

Morality should come from desire not fear.

primal ending

I only hope you're being retarded on purpose but good luck converting anyone here. No one on Yea Forums is giving up their furry diaper giantess loli futa porn to read some old fairy tales.

You can do that without all the fantasy behind it if your iq is above 50.