Are save states CHEATING?

considering using savestates as cheating is more relative than Einstein's theory on relatives.

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I'm for all kinds of cheating, especially in relationships but not cheating at video games. But cheating on a gf with a girl cheating on her bf is the best feeling.

no, if a game is supposed to take 30 hours to beat but 20 of those hours are you repeating shit you’ve already done because of some old game design it’s totally understandable to just skip that repetition with save states. if you can complete the game with save states you have the ability to beat it without them if you spent the extra time.

Absolutely. Anybody who thinks they "beat" a game while using them is wrong. They cheated not only the game but themselves, unironically.

wrong, the brain has mental fatigue that factors into your game experience
any faggot baby can beat a game if he turns on infinite lives
the real achievement is beating it in a run without handicaps like savestates in a game that is not meant to be saved
if you have a social life or work too bad faggot you better pause it and come back later or fuck off to mobile games

make me, you fucking retard. This is not a speedruning competition

I suppose it depends on if the game is designed to be beat or finished

Sleep tight, pupper

I dont understand the argument about having a life or job as a reason to avoid challenging games or cheat. I'd never play games if there wete no challenge. Whats the fucking point?

yes, unless used at a genuine save point to save time

I only save state when I get to a new zone in a game that doesn’t have saving because fuck dying and having to redo 3 hours worth of progress

What's the point of replaying level 1 if I've mastered it? Why do I have to go back there when I die on level 2? It's not a challenge, it's just wasted time.

enjoy your undeserved victory, baby faggot
you are probably the same type of person who gets burned out on games 1 hour in
I'd like your type to die out

Because you ran out of both lives and continues, duh.

disagreeing with the design doesn't mean that altering the game with outside aids isn't cheating.

a miserable pile of woofs

>enjoy your undeserved victory

lmao what a fucking autist, nobody cares about my own victories but myself, imagine getting mad about other people choices

Depends on context. For example, there's a boss near the end of Megaman 2. To beat it, you must shoot it in a very specific way with the Crash Bomber. If you fail, your weapon is not recharged. If you were save stating before the fight to save yourself the time for recharging the weapon, that isn't really cheating.

First time i got an emulator i went and savescummed every 2 seconds on old nes games i could never beat

good boy

Which is an archaic concept that only existed to munch quarters.

if you dont like it dont play it.

>all these zoomers ITT
GIT GUD
imagine needing to freeze a cpu to beat a game

no. save states are available to everyone

>imagine getting mad
that would be you
I'm only laughing at the thought of a pathetic manchild who has to use cheats to beat games designed to be beaten by children

nintendo controller design

>actually punishing the player for mistakes is an archaic concept
Fucking casuals.

Anyone who uses save states is an incel and wants everything handed to them instead of improving themself and their game. GIT. GUD.

>that would be you
>types like a passive aggresive manchild

lmao

Everyone has hands, but picking up the ball in soccer and sprinting it into the goal is still cheating. Your post is bad and you should feel bad.

>I bought the game I deserve to beat it by any means necessary
nu gamer cheaters are quarter chuggers of the modern era.

its the equivalent of beating a puzzle game by watching a walkthrough, its a no brainer...

But I have a $300k job and improve myself at the gym every day. I don't need pixels to tell me I achieved something.

Beating a level does not equal mastery of it, part of why modern games are so easy is the frequency of checkpoints. If there is a checkpoint between any major challenge, then you'll eventually stumble into victory. You can defeat difficult bosses without ever really learning their mechanics because you got lucky with their choices of attacks or dodged them by accident, then you never have to fight them again. Game overs encourage mastery of early levels to give you the best possible shot at later levels.

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then why the need to cheat to see unearned win screens?

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.

You didn't grow.
You didn't improve.
You took a shortcut and gained nothing.

You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained.

It's sad that you don't know the difference.

nah dude you need to git gud lol imagine cheating at VIDEO GAMES OH NONONO you should have improved your game instead of looking for shortcuts INCEL

sleep tight, pupper

it's exploiting the game, but i wouldn't call it cheating.

sleep tight, pupper

based zoomer

imagine being this salty over people playing games as they are intended and enjoying the mechanics rather than skipping to Pavlovian win screen candy by cheating.

Sleep tight, pupper

This must be my sign to shut of the phone and go to bed

I actually own a Chihuahua. It doesn't do any tricks or anything but, it just runs at my feet and roll over asking for belly-rubs or something. Its constantly tripping my shit up but you get used to it. When it does roll-over i usually oblige by rubbing him with my feet which is funny because my foots almost the size of his whole body.

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cope

Who cares? Why is it important? I'll tell you why. seems like you need a little refresher:

"You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference."

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I'm actually boomer as fuck. There are lots of things you can do in games to "exploit it" without cheating.

For example right now, I'm playing through Final Fantasy X on switch. Sure, I could use Yojimbo to zanmato every dark aeon and penance, and it certainly wouldn't be cheating. I wouldn't feel good about it though.

>turn-based RPG
>save state before boss door to save time running from the save point in case I lose
>never during the actual fight
What alignment am I

Yes unless you use them strictly to avoid wasting time with dumb shit like unskippable cujavascript:;tscenes.

with what? I don't care if you cheat, but I find it funny how mad you get with your "GIT GUD FAGGOT" insecurities.

I drag&dropped something by accident and it fucked my post but I'm too lazy to delete it and fix it, fuck you.

>im boomer
>im playing on switch right now
based

lol scrub git gud HOES MAD

youre purposely reducing stakes in the fight.

You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference.

>if I lose this fight, the game is going to waste 45 seconds of my time
>god this is so intense

if its not an issue why'd you savestate then?

COPE

sleep tight, pupper

>playing video games
>not watching the "Lets Play" and saying you beat it

Pathetic

I'm playing a game on it that came out when i was 9 but okay lmao

Given many an older game was designed with save scumming in mind no, no its not.

If you savescum in something like Doom than you haven't really beaten it.

>no its not
>purposely circumvent the games punishment for screwing up
>brute force random shit until you somehow beat it
>t-this isnt cheating
THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF CASUALS

Because it's simply a waste of time and there's no skill required to go back to the boss room, as opposed to something like a platformer.

No, because, what's the point? You should have unlimited continues.

Yeah, because, the only reason that you should have to put in a password, is if you turn the game off and wanna come back to it later. As long as you're still playing, you're gonna keep playing the same stages over and over and over again, so what's the point of sending you all the way back to the beginning? The earlier stages are the easiest, and those are the stages you end up playing the most. It's the later stages where you need the most practice. It's all about trial and error.

Like, imagine if in high school, you fail outta Senior year. What happens, you do Senior year again, right? You don't have to go back and do Freshman year again!

So, bottom line: have unlimited continues! GODDAMN IT!

it's a video game you sentimental faggot
it's literally not important at all

NOOO! JUST BECAUSE I USED SAVE STATES DOESNT MEAN I LOST THOSE GAMES WERE DESIGNED TO EAT QUARTERS NOOO

ITS A WASTE OF TIME TO REDO THE LEVEL I HAVE ADHD REEEE JANNIES DELET THIS MY SAVE STATE BEATEN GAMES ARE REAL REEEE

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yeah and that "waste of time" serves as a deterrent that drives you to succeed through the encounter. you dont want to do that inane shit again right? better beat the boss this time for good.

Save states are absolutely cheating but you're an absolute fucking moron if you don't use them to get rid of bullshit rng time wastes.

Seething :^)

You're not giving phoneposters a good rep.

(you)

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Is OP a retarded FAGGOT?

sleep tight, pupper.

if theyre not important why do people get so riled up when you call them cheating faggots? what do you lose if you just admited you cheated through the game?

sleep tight, pupper

Literally nothing wrong with save states. Games should start back up where I died, and fuck them if they don't

> I’m white
Based

My only savescum ever was the last level of mario land six golden coins.

Wario's castle is a grandiose level with all sorts of deadly traps and I had a great time climbing it. But I recognized that the game had gotten a little hard for me and savestated before the final boss like a pissbaby.

Light a candle for me guys, I need divine grace

sleep tight, pupper

Kind of, yes? Would you consider going back to a point of time to do what would be considered a correct move in real life cheating to gain an advantage?

ill give you a pass on this one that engine was a piece of shit and controls werent tight like nes marios

Because everyone is dying to get found out, you just cant figure it out

Big if true

Let me give you an example you fucking moron.

I play Bloodborne and lets say I go to Cleric beast and I die I lost all my souls go back to the area again after opening shortcuts. This time I decide to save my game before the encounter. I fight it again and again and die 50 times.

I reload the save over and over till I master all his abilities, dodge, know my timing and play the game better overall and I finally kill it after reloading 50 times in front of the boss.

Is that cheating? Fucking no it's called playing a fucking game enjoying the experience not fucking drilling yourself over a stupid boss for a whole week to the point of giving up and if you do you a big pussy.

What did I gain from that boss fight more knowledge about how to play the game and know what to do in the next encounters. Save states have been happening in every game for fucking years. Obviously, it's cheating when it involves online competition but story single player grindfest and package hunting? Fuck no

Farming vials is part of the game, shitter.

Are you retarded? You can find vials easily in the first fucking stage or buy them for fucking cheap. Shows how much of a shitter you are to fucking farm for vials?

>pupper
nice reddit meme

Every Fire Emblem after 3 assume that you will reset if you lose a character instead of playing on

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Playing old platformers without save states is torture.

the people who take games way too seriously.
>You cheated yourself!!, y..you're bad!!
yes and? why should I have a shitty experience because some fag demands that I have to play like him

millions of kids in 1980 didn't.

Yeah, for the most part.
Shit like Fire Emblem, that's obviously not play as the designer intended.

If you're just making a backup save because your emulator is crashing / you're headed to bed nowhere near a save spot, then it's no harm no foul.

wrong en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_in_video_games
even people in the 80 and even 90s had bitch fits over cheating with quotes from a gaming magazine "taking the stance that cheating was not part of their philosophy of fairness"
not to mention people just edited code or used save states and cheating cartridges

If it’s at the start of the level, then no. I don’t want to go back to title screen just to restart, fuck that

I used to save scum when I collected trophies that were too difficult or way too time consuming. but i felt bad for doing It so i started all over and hope the people I played with would forgive me I personally think people can play how they want but for me it was never fun to cheat

"You didn't replay the previous 2 minutes of walking and fighting, shame on you."
I know it's a shitty ass copy pasta, but it's your opinion too.
I wanted to get the DC camo and Willard Wyler in CoD:IW. How do you get it? Oh by beating the super EE. Doesn't sound too hard right? Except for the fact that you need to beat the final boss right after beating the final easter egg. You can practice the fight in boss battle mode, but just to get to the second phase it takes a whole TEN minutes. The second phase is very difficult even with guides, you just need experience yourself, and I probably had to put like 30 attempts into it just to pass it. So just for the second/final phase alone I had to waste 3 hours just GETTING THERE. In total I probably put 15-20 hours into that boss fight, because I also had to get good at the first phase.

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whats the issue here? you invest time to overcome a challenge? if youre not up for the challenge then just dont do it lol.

hello :3

sleep tight, pupper

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sleep tight,pupper!

wh-why is it 18+?

dogs are NEKKID
FULLY RENDERED dog nudity while gettin WET and SOAPY
way too lewd for general audiences
I mean just look at this screenshot
this could really mess up american youth

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no

yeah, yeah, mea culpa, mea culpa.

sleep tight, pupper

“Sleep tight, pupper.”

thiqq

Depends on how much you're using them.

If you use save states as a way to save and pick up the game at any point that's not really cheating at all.

If you use them every time you land a hit and load anytime you take damage yeah you're cheating.

It's a gradient and where you draw the line from cheating and no cheating is pretty subjective.

sleep_tight_pupper.exe

>imagine
Imagine the internet before zoomers started putting imagine in front of every God damned sentence. A simple green meme arrow used to suffice but now you have to completely spell it out for people

The problem is that the challenge is very difficult due to BS enemies. Zombies and most of their specials are fine, except the Cryptids from Extinction mode, they don't fit into CoD zombies and in IW zombies they're not only faster, but deal at least 1 full hit, with the bigger ones dealing more damage and the biggest ones being able to CHARGE at you and leaving you 1 hit from being dad. They can charge around fucking corners and almost turn on a dime. You can dodge, but it's very difficult and now imagine having to deal with like 15 other enemies at the same time, some moving slower/faster. It's a clusterfuck and overcoming the 4th round of the first phase and then surviving the second final phase with everything thrown at you at once was a fucking nightmare. I was relived when I finally beat him and while I failed on my first actual attempt due to very poor weapon RNG, I beat him legit on the second try. It just shouldn't have taken 15 hours of practice, where I spent 10 minutes getting to the second phase and died like 1 minute or 2 into it.