Was he right?

I don't remember the name of the scientist dude, but that was my favorite faction.

He still is

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No, the tyrant need not fear dissent as long as he can out shout his critics. Tyranny does not have a quick and easy prevention method.

>hab at 4

LOL

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Is it just my imagination or have 90s games a more optimistic take even on dystopian scenarios while modern games take a more hopeless no escape route?

>a more optimistic take
did we play the same game

>americans
idk how they managed to let a typo like that slip it should clearly say europe

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Yes.

Britain also recently made it illegal to view white supremacist content.

why were the Crossfire factions so ideologically shit compared to the base game

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Needed to rush the expansions out

>Britain also recently made it illegal to view white supremacist content.
The fuck you talking about?
The only law passed about that was "extremist content" with exceptions for journalists and researchers.So it wasn't specificly targeting that, It also wasn't recently it was during the peak of retards going over to fight with ISIS
If you're going to bring this stuff up at least do so accurately

Isn't there also a TV license

It wasn't SPECIFICALLY targeting white supremacist content, but yes, white supremacist content was the pill in the pudding

the ideologies of the og factions and mechanics were made at the same time, so they could inform eachother.
While the crossfire factions had to be made with the existing mechanics in mind to inform them.

>H-HOLD ON A MOMENT, I'M NOT ONLY KEKED IN ONE WAY, I'M KEKED IN LOTS OF WAYS, GET IT RIGHT

sasuga britain
lick that boot

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See you in 4 years brethren.

Well yeah, its extemist content. But you only gave half of the picture to paint a specific picture when the reality is it covered anything the government deems "extremist"
Well yeah, if you're going to try and discuss how fucked Britain is I'd rather you accurately knew how retarded this country is than have only specific points brought up that fit an agenda
My post was in no way a defence but to give accurate information

Domai fit in well, at least. Everyone else not so much.
Sven had neat gameplay but really needed something past "pirates lol"
Maybe have him be a sort of ancap or something.

Wouldn't you say that disinformation, if anything, hampers the free flow of information?

morgan is already the ancap

Wouldn't you say that calling conflicting view points and truth seeking arguments disinformation hampers the free flow of information?
Watergate was a conspiracy theory until it wasn't.

I mean in a sense, but he's more corporate than "everybody gets their own nukes and the NAP is god"

You say "disinformation" as if the government has:

1) the magical ability to determine what is and is not truthful

2) the willingness to honestly relate those truths

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In all cases wouldn't you prefer if the truth were known? What if watergate was drowned out by conflicting narratives so that no one was sure what the truth was any more and it was silently covered up?

You don't suppose there are ways to determine whether or not something is truthful aside from magic?

As soon as you allow any particular authority to decide what is and is not truth, and to censor alternatives, it will use that power to serve itself. Is this really difficult to understand?

Truth can be independently verified. It's what makes it the truth.

The government thought for 20 years that cocaine was good for you - or alternatively they knew it was bad for you and just said it was good. Either way, the government was wrong or malicious. Under your ideal world, anyone saying "Perhaps cocaine is bad for us?" would have been censored.

Yes but if those in power are actively suppressing information with a legion of useful idiots supporting them then the only hope of truth are those with conflicting theories saying everything they can so others can help verify it.

ancap isn't all memes about personal nukes and shit, it's about voluntarism, morgan replaces the state with corporations, sven is just a pirate, he kills people and takes their shit, that's in direct opposition of the nap, he's an edgy anarchist if anything

It's called fact checking you idiot.

>Under your ideal world, anyone saying "Perhaps cocaine is bad for us?" would have been censored.
No, in my ideal world, no one would have said for 20 years that it wasn't.
And what if it has been verified and found to be false? Why should they still get to misinform the public?

So maybe they can do that instead of magic and that solves the issue?

>No, in my ideal world, no one would have said for 20 years that it wasn't.

So in your magical world the government is never
1) wrong
or
2) malicious and self-serving

Wow, this is some amazing fiction you've written. Please update me on the next chapter

>he kills people and takes their shit, that's in direct opposition of the nap, he's an edgy anarchist if anything
Sven should have been an expansion of Santiago's
>each ship is a nation unto its own
and been true anarchism that comes with having all manner of states having to share the same port of call

Blind faith in authority figures is the genuine definition of being a child.

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>And what if it has been verified and found to be false?
And who verified it? Who said it was false? By what means does that verification actually hold ground?
If it were true the opposition shouldn't need to be suppressed, it would just be proven wrong rather than drowned out.

You know who are definitely malicious and self-serving? People spreading fake news on facebook. Why can you advocate for curbing the power of the government but not that of bad faith non-government actors?

>If it were true the opposition shouldn't need to be suppressed, it would just be proven wrong rather than drowned out.
When has reality ever been known to work like that?

Whataboutism 101
>The government is not my benevolent friend? It lies? W... well... what about those other liars (none of which have even 0.001% of the power the government does?)

All time
Falsehoods don't hold water under scrutiny.

Then who decides whats real or not, who would watch the watchmen aswell

That's not whataboutism, it's the entire topic we're discussing. But you are presenting a false dichotomy. Because really, you don't think the current government benefited from people spreading fake news?

the problem is that the concept of anarchism is almost impossible to convey in strategy games like this, you can always directly control units and they follow your orders to the death instead of fucking off or changing their own policies unless you get them in really really bad moods, it would just make for an unpleasant experience in general unless the entire game was focused around those mechanics

You're the guy down in the right corner

"fake news" is essentially a mechanism for mainstream media (which has been lying, misleading and manipulating for centuries) to No-True-Scotsman any media source that isn't acting in its interests.

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Right now its the opposite but theoretically he is right. The problem with free flow of information is that fake information can enter the river, this is causing hysteria, fear mongering, malice against their fellow man. Tyrannical states are avoiding these problems because they can fight against this fake information better while more free states are dealing with enough political and social unease that a civil war sparking would not be out of the question.

You're wrong and you won't convince me otherwise. Clearly that means I am right because if you were right then the light of the truth would have shown me the error of my ways and made me repent my misguided ways.

Me smart

Everyone else dumb

Wrong
Me smart
Everyone else dumb
Retard

>Tyrannical states are avoiding these problems because they can fight against this fake information better

Yeah, they sure can "fight against" fake information. After all, their god-emperor-leaders always know what's right and wrong.

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>but not that of bad faith non-government actors
Who decides that they are acting in bad faith and that their news is fake? The free flow of information that came with the internet allows us to live in a time where it is often extremely easy to verify claims. I think people with little to no credibility making claims that can be disproven is much lesser evil than a regulatory entity that decides the "truth".

>muslims in space

no

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You have to be a massive retard to think doublethink doesn't exist or overriding cognitive dissonance isn't possible. People believe falsehoods; proof is convenient if it's in your favor, otherwise it is irrelevant. That much you should've learned from history.

That's not the free flow of information, it's people purposefully only frequenting spaces where the free flow of information is cut off.

But what about Russia and China? They trying to control information. Though Russia has half-assed control. even embarrassing when they failing with their "fakes"

So what your saying is content needs to be restricted so people can't form their own opinions? Is it an "extreme" opinion if people naturally arrive at a certain position given all the information available?

I hope you're on a proxy retard

It's coming. The tyrannical future that used to only exist in books is coming, rapidly. Britain is already 90% of the way there.

While you fight just to survive in this hellish system, there are powerful people whose entire life's work is to expand their power. Mass media has cemented their control.

youtube.com/watch?v=JXm5hklbBsA

You're right in theory, but in practice the ultimate question comes down definitions and who decides to set them.

>What if watergate was drowned out by conflicting narratives
It literally was, until the free flow of information ensured that it could no longer be suppressed.

Because people know exactly how fucked things are now. Fiction often mirrors the realities of the time its created in.

And yet falsehoods abound. Seems like the free flow of information has only made it easier for people to fall into confirmation bias. Information needs to be curated.

Why do Americans love to stomp all over the first amendment?
Do you really forget so easily?

HUMAN BEHAVIOR

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Ironic if the proponents of "free flow of information" are going to report me in bad faith for making a joke.

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>Information needs to be curated.
Unless you know of a magical divine figure who is immune to the corrupting effect of power, this is never okay. A ministry of truth is just a ministry of control under another name.

>bad faith
why do censorship kids love this phrase so much? i literally see them chanting it like it's their god

>that's bad faith, you're bad faith - have you disagreed with me? oh, that was in bad faith.

>Tyrannical states are avoiding these problems
Tyrannical states are often the ones supplying this fake information. A river of shit with a diamond in it is better than a river of shit.

I'm not surprised you're seeing those words a lot.

>bad faith bad faith bad faith bad faith bad faith
>"could you shut the fuck up with the phrase you learned last week in a destiny livestream?"
>NO BUT YOU ARE BAD FAITH THOUGH

do you want a cracker?

Economic Behaviour*

All your curation is going to do is ensure that falsehoods are codified into law.

Bad faith means when my enemy is making too many good points and I don't know how to respond. Good faith is when he makes points that I know the pre-arranged talking points I've studied to respond to him with

It's not the proponents for free flow of information, it's the proponents for a different type of censorship ministry than you want faggot.

>And who verified it? Who said it was false?
IT WAS ME, AUSTIN! IT WAS ME ALL ALONG!

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WTF is bad faith how can you deduce the source of the comment from a wall of text?

Why do leftists claim to be against fascism when they want al ministry of truth, absolute government control, a disarmed population, etc?

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But you're not making any points. You're just butthurt at the phrase and obviously arguing in bad faith

What do you want, then? To censor the truth?

>starts off with 'Why do leftists'

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I think this comment was in bad faith, you don't know who I am and your faith is rather bad if I do say so myself. I am faithfully dismissing this bad faith argument. Bad faith

I wonder iff the states have something in common with their population that may make them have higher gun murder rates?

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No I want to censor falsehoods. You are not in fact 12 so you must be censored.

I don't understand what this graph thinks it's supposed to be disproving.
The gun murder rate correlates strongly with the ready availability and ease of access to firearms in the United States. There are too many guns and it's too easy to get your hands on one, how does the noncorrelation of murder with legal gun owners have anything to do with that?

>gun ownership is not correlated with gun crime
>niggers being around is
We don't have a gun problem, we have a nigger problem.

yes user, that was the joke

>Why do leftists [X]

The same reason righties [X].

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>The gun murder rate correlates strongly with the ready availability and ease of access to firearms in the United States.
It plainly says it doesn't. Are you LITERALLY retarded?

See also

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Not them but I must say that it is very fun watching you being bfto several times in this thread and still defending you idiotic ideas without even stopping for a second to consider that you might actually be the one in the wrong.

He's arguing in bad faith

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Wrong nigger. If Resetera allowed free flow of information, we wouldn't be mocking them for being retarded and they probably wouldn't exist because their dumbass ideas would not survive the free flow of information.

What you're describing is a bunch of faggots purposefully constricting the flow of information so that it meets the views they agree with.

If anything, the free flow of information is the only possible cure to the madness.

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Posting from my MorganLink console.

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>well-documented events such as Sandy Hoax

>when people can freely think it causes extremism to pop up
really makes you think but we should censor everything so people cant communicate to become more extreme

Arguing for censorship while posting on Yea Forums, one of the only remaining mostly-uncensored places on the Internet, is really rich.

Why not go back to the shithole censored forum you came from? They already have what you want.

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The free flow of "information" having any positive consequence requires that the information people seek is actually what is true. People don't like the truth, they like convenient falsehoods that don't challenge them or make them feel unhappy. People are more than willing to live forever in the familiar cage of half-truths and misinformation, that's why misinformation is such a big fucking market.

The free flow of information is only a good thing when you can prevent malicious actors from presenting convenient misinformation to a populus ever seeking it. Otherwise it's just another "principle" of freedom that only exists to be exploited by those who have a stake in doing so.

It's funny because virtually all extremism comes from structured, authoritative thinking.

A person thinking for himself will virtually never arrive at the conclusion that blowing up 200 innocent people is a holy and moral act.

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"bad faith", "dogwhistling", "concern trolling" etc usually amount to "no john you are my strawman"

>The free flow of "information" having any positive consequence requires that the information people seek is actually what is true.
Unlike you, not everyone needs someone else to think for them. We make our own determinations and judgments.

But there's no solution other than a government censorship agency that never makes any mistakes and never uses its power for nefarious purposes. That's an even more unrealistic idea than people being unwilling to believe bullshit.

>it could have been a smacx thread
>it was not

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its literally impossible to stop "misinformation" because what people consider to be true is just opinions causing whoever owns the platform to have control over information

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Tbf, I didn’t expect a relatively intellectual thread on Yea Forums.

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You're just a product of your memes and none of your ideas are your own. You think you make your own judgements and determinations but in reality you are unaware just how poor an example of "free will" you truly are.

Remember all of these graphs the next time the media puts a mass shooting in front of your face.

You are 210 times more likely to die to falling coconuts than to be killed by a mass shooter. They are playing on your emotions.

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>concern trolling
>s-stop letting me expose myself as foolish
>dogwhistling
>i don't like this but don't really have a reason why other than it's something my opponents like
>bad faith
>s-stop dismantling my argument
These terms used to have actual meanings, but they've been parroted by twitter retards for so long that they no longer do.

Reminder that there is literally nothing wrong with genejacks

The only reason racist and nazi forums thrive more than libtards is because the libtards are actually out there living life, while nazi incels are all shut inside posting infographics and arguing against imaginary trannies.

On any given political forum there's bound to be 20 nazi incels and 4 normal dudes, because the other 16 normal dudes are off having fun, working or studying.

Amazing - I have the rare opportunity to meet a person with Original Ideas™!
As a sheeple I have always wanted to meet someone like you. Could you tell me some of your new original ideas that you thought up totally independently? Please list a few

That's mostly because I sleep under a coconut tree.

free will doesnt exist dipshit your idea of stopping "misinformation" is just a thinly veiled power grab to have political and thought control

Censorship of content isn't the solution, what is needed is to provide context.

The elites are terrified by the fact that the US, uniquely, has an armed proletariat.
That's why the media is how it is.

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No, if anything the "free flow of information" just leads to shit like . No one cares about the truth if it flies against their biases, all its led us to is even more entrenched tribalism with both sides trying to out-shit the other.

I do work in a cocount factory.

Niggers

factually false

i mean why else would you expect them to demand more welfare? They are neets in need themself.

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lmao butthurt

Thank you also for demonstrating precisely the problems faced by this post-modern society. Without any objective reference, we can both shout "bad faith" at each other until we're blue in the face, but I can never get you to admit the objective truth, that I am right and you're a butthurt little bitch. How is this situation ever to be resolved?

>No I want to censor falsehoods.
That's what I want.

Also ayyy thanks for getting me temporarily blocked on a technicality rather than address my points, you tireless free speech warriors! You proved me right.

Censorship by degrees is just censorship.

>what is needed is to provide context
Ha you actually type like a government censorship bureau. Sounds like you drank a little bit too much misinformation.

>Also ayyy thanks for getting me temporarily blocked on a technicality
That means you've been ban requested. A janitor deleted your post and pressed the "flag for ban" button (it also issues a 15 minute mute to curtail spam.) See you in 3-7 days

You're special, you did it all by yourself, great job!
Is that what you want to hear?

>Not them but I must say that it is very fun watching you being bfto several times in this thread
When did this happen?

Look, if the truth always wins out, and the free flow of information will always lead people to the most rational conclusions, then why haven't you managed to convince me yet? Your own obstinate refusal to admit the truth only serve to prove me right, but how do you reconcile the idea that you can just rationally debate anyone into seeing the light with the idea that you're failing to do just that right now?

No! I readily admit that all of my ideas are just my past experiences laundered into the current day.

I am astonished to meet someone for whom this is not the case. Please, Original Ideas™ person, list some of your Original Ideas™ as I have requested.

>A person thinking for himself will virtually never arrive at the conclusion that blowing up 200 innocent people is a holy and moral act.
But invading a country and causing millions of civilian deaths is?
Because even with modern polls, most Americans still support the iraq and Afghanistan illegal wars, even if no evidence of wmd were found and bin laden was hiding in fucking pakistan.

Americans are still ok with killing civilians despite their free information.

I never played it. Been playing civilization games since 2. Never played the newest one though.

You have already realized you're wrong, that's why you stopped responding to people's points and started getting emotional. I have seen exactly this pattern on Yea Forums many times. You're "zombieing" - just going through the motions of preserving your ego. The seed was planted and you will accept that you're wrong at a later date.

Dumbass and blue pilled

I have freely obtained the information that they were shitholes BEFORE America invaded them

The digital society furthers human flaws and selectively rewards development of convenient half-truths. Just look at the strange juxtapositions of morality around you.
The "freedom" to believe lies and untruths is not freedom at all.

What the fuck does that have to do with what we're discussing? You're just abandoning the point you lost and trying to lure me into some "US bad!" argument (which I frankly don't give a shit about - the US *IS* awful)

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You are outright lying now and resorting to fallacies. Why is this, if truth and logic are supposed to win out?

>A person thinking for himself will virtually never arrive at the conclusion that blowing up 200 innocent people is a holy and moral act
Yeah, tell that to Unabomber.

You’d be better off lobotomized. What the hell is your major?

How was he thinking for himself? He got brainfucked as an experiment.

Those were not innocent people, they were all corporate shills of the highest order who personally enacted legislation or social policy that helped destroy the planet.
We kill people for reasons much less noble than "he was badly hurting the Earth." I don't consider defending my home to be a bad reason to kill.

That sounds like censorship bruh

Based and shitpilled
That free flow information will lead to people coming up with what's best for them.
It doesn't.

Echelon is a real thing, Assange and Snowden "died" for our sins and most people prefer to believe in big daddy government because it suits them better, in the end nobody gives a shit about the truth.

>3 kills is 200

>in the end nobody gives a shit about the truth.
Of course they do, but we're in a rat race.
Most people live very hectic lives full of distractions. They genuinely don't have the time to think about important issues, so they entrust that duty to someone else. That's how they get you.

Well obviously he wanted to kill more, you retard, he just wasn't able to.

Is that Osama Bin Laden?

Osama was the good guy all along.

Why have you stopped responding, friend?

Well that's great if there's an objective truth and a completely unbiased mediator that can define truth from fiction.

That's not the world we live in though, so...

Obama Joe Biden

All these retards ITT arguing with a glownigger

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"freedom to know" is the second, arguably more important of democracy, next to "freedom to decide."

If the information that people view is curated by some authority figure, their decisions are influenced by that authority. It isn't democracy.

Yes my friend

here you go

This is such a retarded post holy fuck. Do you really think redneck trash with guns are of any concern to the top 1%?

That's not at all what he said. What he means is that people need to be earnestly interested in finding the truth, and intellectually equipped to do so. The problem is not that people can arrive at the truth independently. The problem is when they don't because they actually don't care or they're just too dumb. Your "own determinations and judgements" might well be shit, and then what? You'd rather be wrong than be told the truth?

>Attacks almost exclusively empty buildings
>Wants mass death
Maybe you should read his manifesto yourself instead of having your head filled with 80's news lies

If you don't make glowniggers look foolish then retards will actually fall for their song and dance.

the UN are the people trying to censor and hide everything that doesn't follow the progressive narrative though

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Of course they are. That's why every billionaire travels in public with a security detail of 20+ armed guards. And that's why billionaire-owned media is all chanting for confiscation of guns.

Fair enough, carry on then good sir.

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It's a matter of perspective.
independent.co.uk/news/world/anti-soviet-warrior-puts-his-army-on-the-road-to-peace-the-saudi-businessman-who-recruited-mujahedin-1465715.html

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It is precisely because we are awash in various "truths" that there is demand for some form of selection.

>glownigger
What makes a nigger lumiate? Glow in the dark chemicals in the KFC?

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Look, another lie triumphing over the truth. Keep proving me right.

Literally just regurgitating the rhetoric at the end of MGS2

working for the CIA does it to you, you have to run them over with your car to stop it

How angry are you right now?

Radiation

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Woah woah woah woah woah. Hol up. So yous tellin me that we wuz cia now?

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It's actually rather satisfying knowing you literally can't argue against me.

These guys could gun you down right now and get away with it and will probably do so once they've automated your economic potential away. This isn't a fight you could ever win

Are you going to cry? Shit your pants?

Keep telling yourself that, trust fundie. It never stopped the guillotines before.

user, at least try to muster some sort of argument

Going to piss yourself?

>Being this far gone

You've been successfully beaten all thread, you're just too far gone to actually see. Should have stopped consuming that authoritarian propaganda when you had the chance.

People don't care about the truth, they prefer things that make them feel safe or support their biases. In this thread you have people pretending that guns don't affect homicide rates, it's actually black people. Not only is there not a single source given, the images posted don't even support the conclusion, but this isn't challenged at all because this wasn't an argument to find the truth, but to put niggers down so you can feel better about not being one. Same goes for climate change denial,.government corruption and so on. The truth hasn't mattered in a long time and won't matter ever again.

That's exactly why defamation laws exist. But then you get precedent like New York Times v Sullivan and suddenly there is a massive shield that allows people to outright lie because it is almost impossible to prove malicious intent.

No. Disinformation should be battled with information not censorship.

Ah so there it is. You don't care about the actual "truth" you just want a legal agency to make arguing against your political beliefs illegal. Took you long enough to just come out and say it.

The worst thing Americans have allowed to happen is to let "people" force censorship and free speech into a legal argument. Now the immediate rebuttal for a corporation censoring things they don't like is "WELL ITS NOT ILLEGAL BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THE GUBMIT, THEIR GIANT MULTIMILLION USER PLATFORM WITH NO COMPETITORS BECAUSE THEY GET THEM SHUT DOWN, THEIR RULES ;)" which is really just censorship apologist bullshit disguised as a "clever loophole" so they don't have to say they agree with censorship.

Not if only one unilaterally determined metanarrative exists which all accessible information confirms the “truth” of