There's pretty much barely any characters left to add, yeah in even 8 years.
Besides Squid Sisters, Waluigi and Bandana Dee, there's probably no one else left to add 1stparty wise, and we all know that stuff like ARMS, Astral Chain, Golden Sun or whatever has no chance.
3rdparty-wise is pretty much the same issue: who will you add? there's not many 3rdparty characters left that are noteworthy, sure you could add stuff like Quote, Shantae, Amaterasu, Phoenix Wright, Jibanyan, Tracer, Jonesy, 2B, Neptune, Etna or any 3rdparty character with a following really, but they would be bottom of the barrel choices compared to Megaman, Sonic, Snake, Pac-man, Simon or Cloud.
So besides Crash, Steve and Banjo there's not much else left.
Make some new characters then, Smash 4 had ton of new characters created between Brawl and Smash 4
Noah Watson
This just isn't true at all.
Isaac Bennett
I guarantee Spring Man or Ribbon Girl or Twintelle will be the first character announced for Smash 5. ARMs was sold a lot better than people realize. Literally sold over 2 million copies which for a new IP is great.
Also Crash is literally never ever going to be in Smash. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a retard.
Jeremiah Hernandez
I remember having a debate with a friend about whether or not Halo 3 would be the last Halo game. He was claiming it was the end of the trilogy, therefore the end of the franchise.
My argument, having never really even played Halo, was that there was money to be made and of course they'd want to make the money.
Do you honestly think there is no money to be made by another Smash Bros iteration? Even if it's a step backwards? Do you really think it wouldn't make money? Until it's no longer profitable, there will always be Smash Bros games.
Grayson Murphy
>3rdparty-wise is pretty much the same issue: who will you add?
if they keep the same engine all they have to to do is remaster it for every generation to come and add whatever they want
Joshua Perry
The next game won't have as big a roster. My guess is they'll have several seasons to stretch out the life of this game and not worry about it until the next generation
Next Smash will be a spinoff that features nothing but characters from dead franchises.
Jacob Flores
> There's pretty much barely any characters left to add, Didn't people say the same shit about Brawl which lead to happening?
Josiah Robinson
If the next game doesn't play like melee then it should't be made at all.
Luke Mitchell
But it won't be. Sakurai even stated as much. Ultimate will be the last Smash with all the character available. There will be new Smash bros games.
Tyler Baker
There are a ton of first parties left to use which would still excite people. Captain Toad, Paper Mario, Pauline, Dixie Kong, Funky Kong, Ashley, Impa, Skull Kid, Marx, Tom Nook, Rex, Octolings, and tons of Pokemon and FE characters all have a fair shot, like it or not. And new characters will rise to popularity inbetween Ultimate and the next installment which can also be used. Not to mention that Nintendo would never stop making games that sell Nintendo consoles as much as Smash games do
Brandon Diaz
wonder red you retard
Hunter Taylor
Do you really think they'll stop releasing the same game just because they can't add more models? Dumb Ass Fag
Dylan Scott
>Ultimate is the best selling game of the series so far and will continue making more money through DLC >but it's the last game because there's no more big time characters to add
why not just port over all the models and just remove the third parties
Andrew Barnes
The next game should revamp all the character move sets. Get rid of the clones and try harder to base the moves on things from their games instead of just making up whatever.
Jonathan King
>There's pretty much barely any characters left to add, yeah in even 8 years. That’s bullshit and you know it.
>they’re running out of characters to add! Shut up retard
Kayden Robinson
LMAO are you fucking stupid?
Smash games will be made because they make money. If anything the next game should focus on reinventing established characters. Especially Mario and Samus.
Ryder Williams
Lets be honest, in this entire century there's only been 2 characters worth adding to Smash created.
Adam Butler
>barely any characters to add >dozens of assist trophies that would make great fighters Ur dum
Jose Hughes
I have a different theory to offer:
Quality, not quantity, will be the next smash's motto. They'll remove 1/3 of Ultimate's cast and then give the remaining roster far better movesets and a new engine that has a refreshing new fighting system.
This is the only way to continue on from Ultimate and it would be a change for the better.
Brandon Robinson
This is a smooth brain take, try again summer bro.
I'd go father than that. Cut everyone. Remove the crossover aspect of the game entirely. Make a Smash game that has its own identity separate from other Nintendo properties. Let Ultimate be ultimate and start fresh. Create original fighters akin to the Miis, start with the basics. Experiment with Smash as a franchise that can stand on its own, separate from the all star cast that propped it up for the last twenty odd years. Finally make that Dragon King fighting game.
Lucas Perry
>there's probably no one else left to add 1stparty wise >besides fucking bandanna waddle dee
>Toad / Captain Toad >Waluigi >King Boo >Poochy >Tingle >Obligatory New Pokemon Character >Bandana Waddle Dee >Rex and Pyra >Springman >Tom Nook >DJ Octavio >Dillon >Mallo (Pushmo) >Karate Joe or the Chorus Kids (Rhythm Heaven) >Obligatory New Fire Emblem character >Obligatory Retro character >Daemon x Machina character >Astral Chain character >Town character It really isn't that hard to think of potential new first parties, and this list is still only counting characters that are still decently relevant and have had a game within the past few years. >B-BUT THEY'RE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL Literally every single Smash character has included characters that were undeniably bottom of the barrel prior to their inclusions, unless you genuinely consider Ice Climbers, Sheik, Roy, Palutena, and Corrin to be anything but bottom of the barrel Nintendo characters as well.
You and I both are aware if the roster being decided before ARMS was released and the director of ARMS himself saying it was too late but he hopes for next time
Jaxon Sanders
Olimar and Inkling. Although it turns out I was mistaken about Animal Crossing coming out in 1999, so add Villager.
Hudson Stewart
>besides Bandana Dee there's probably no one else left to add Ahem.
This. >No Mario RPG rep (Be it Paper or M&L or even SMRPG) >Only 3 Kirby characters when there are series mainstays missing >No Axe FE Lord >No DKC content beyond the first game >No Xenoblade 2 rep (A lock for next game basically) >No Wonder Red >Only one Wario character >Only one Yoshi character
Paper Mario, Edelgard, Rex, Kamek, Funky, Wonder Red, Ashley I'd prefer 9-Volt but still Bandanna Dee/Marx, Octolings added as an Echo for Inklings along with Tom Nook for Isabelle. There's a game's worth of newcomers even before a new pokemon and any games that will come out in the next 5 years or so
Zachary Walker
>Listing Poochy over Kamek
Michael Allen
Hyliacrhist, y'all guys are a bunch of nobbos.
There's literally no characters left to add after Ultmate besides the ones i listed.
Do you really think shit like Dixie Kong, Isaac, Andy, Dillon, Tom Nook, Spring Man or Tatchibana would sell any games? Fuck no.
Do you think irrelevant shit Gunvolt, Quote, Doomguy, Reimu, Scorpion, Dante. Neptune, Ragna, Boomerman, Etna or Atelier would sell any smash games? Nope.
Stop with this shit, you stupid nigger. Smash Bros should be solely comprised of representatives of series, not some hodgepodge mishmash BULLSHIT of a clusterfuck of characters per series. They fucked up with Fire Emblem, Mario, and Kirby, already
Ayden Ross
Enjoy Spongebob in smash
Isaiah James
Ultimate will be the last because NIntendo will be dead in two years max The switch is failing and nintendo is so far behind sony. They would need to go 3rd party asap to stay afloat/
>In Western markets, the game is called Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, which carries two potential meanings. On one hand, “Ultimate” can mean “the best version of something,” which could apply to the idea that everything is in this game. However, “Ultimate” can also mean “final” or “end of a process.” Do you think this game is the end of a chapter in any regard?
>With the background I just explained here, every time I work on this game, I’ve devoted myself to making it under the assumption, “this is the last one.” That said, I have no idea what future holds, so I can’t deny that there’s no next one either.
Gavin Mitchell
Cope harder, at least he will be in smash
Landon Robinson
i wouldnt mind. then they could finally make a smash bros racing game and not another mario kart
Angel Sanders
why are smashfags so autistic
Ryan Turner
. . .your implying that Doomguy and Master Chief are bottom of the barrel characters. I don't think you know what bottom of the barrel means.
Ryan Lopez
>olimar all 3 pikman games have sold like sub 4 million copies user >inkling unironically a much better choice the first splatoon sold like almost 9 million copies
I expect either this, or a spinoff franchise to take the spotlight. Think Smash vs.
Smash vs Capcom would be dope.
Thomas Hughes
like every single main entry into mario sells more than all of the fire emblem franchise combined. hard to really compare those.
kirby? kirby has only three reps right?
and what about pokemon?
William Jackson
Yes, he will be in Smash, before going once again in the dark corners of Microsoft's basement for another decade.
Jayden Lopez
>There's pretty much barely any characters left to add, yeah in even 8 years.
Theres plenty to add and the Team behind Smash knows their fanbase is quite literally autistic. They sprinkle in a few new characters, a few color changes and slap a label on it and reatrds will still buy it. Smash wont die because they're out of content they'll go when theyve milked it enough they dont care about it, which will be never; look at mario and the 50 exact copies of Super Mario Bros.
Connor Perry
As if Nintendo, as a companie, give two fucks about that. Smash is making more money now than ever before, isn't it? If so, we will have a new Smash game eventually.
Thomas Adams
Nigga he brings IVs to work so he doesn’t have to go to the hospital. He’d rather snap and shoot up the Nintendo office than retire
Colton Ross
>doomguy is a literal who non-character >master chief yes. poor design and isn't memorable at all outside of being babbys first fps hero.
Good. Sakurai should stop focusing on adding characters and start focusing on refining what we have. Where is Target Smash? Why is the love of fuck is Ganondorf still a glorified clone when even fans have decloned him? Where is the good SP content like Adventure and SSE to add variety?
Aaron Murphy
this people ask for more zelda characters, but they should really make ganon a non clone.
Anthony Foster
>suggestion about adding some more characters from a series >user goes on with its autistic tirade about his rule Sad!
Liam Foster
The next one will add actual movesets to the characters.
>Ultimate might be the last smash nintendo will never stop milking this cow. Aside all the characters they could still add they haven't even touched HD remasters yet.
>tfw ywn have a qt genius gf to practice mad science with why even live
also he's been saying that for the last couple games, this looks like a hideo "this is the last one I insist" kojima type situation
Ryder Morales
sakurai said he wanted to take a break for a while but that he would still work on it if a new one was coming in ~5 years how much does he oversee the dlc characters? is he still the main man at helm?
Gabriel Scott
have you played ultimate's ganondorf? he's fucking great, one of the most fun characters to play, play against, or watch, in the entire game. it doesn't matter if he's a clone, he's in a really good place now.
Benjamin Thompson
Plenty of more Fire Emblem characters to burn through. Didn't read past first sentence, Smash is for faggots, exiting this thread.
Nathan Bailey
>Where is the good SP content like Adventure and SSE to add variety? Spirit stuff was a million times better than sm4sh, though the city trial thing was nice
Jack Brooks
Nah it will just build on the foundation of Ultimate.
Building on their existing foundation is much more profitable. Sakurai will stop making Smash games when he's buried in the ground.
Gavin Anderson
Chances are likely the next Smash game will reboot the roster from ground zero. That would actually be nice because it means we can get rid of characters like Jigglypuff and demote characters to assist trophy status like Ness. I would also argue Captain Falcon since F-Zero as a series is largely irrelevant nowadays, but his moveset would be a shame to trash at this point. lol
I'm thinking the only characters that will survive such an overhaul will be the following;
Mario (Make Dr. Mario a proper echo sakurai goddamnit) Luigi Peach (They'll keep Daisy as an echo because why not) Bowser Bowser Jr. (The Koopalings being skins is a great way to essentially give us 8 characters in one, too good a deal to pass up and it's a unique moveset) Yoshi (Just give him the Mario series icon FFS) Wario (See Yoshi) Link Young Link (Toon Link will be made an alternate skin somehow despite the "different proportions") Zelda (Sheik may be seen as largely irrelevant nowadays, so Sheik would likely only be represented via trophy/sticker/spirit/etc) Ganondorf Samus (Dark Samus as an echo OFC) Ridley Donkey Kong Diddy Kong King K. Rool (Gotta have the villains for every series whenever possible) Marth (The "main" FE character, Lucina can still be an echo) Ike (The most popular FE character in the west) Robin (Represents the game that "saved" the series) Kirby King Dedede Meta Knight Fox (Star Fox is still big enough to at least warrant 1 character I feel, as the original game was noteworthy for its graphics, Star Fox 64 was noteworthy for its voice acting, and Star Fox 2 has that history behind it. If they can't be arsed to add Wolf back in as a full char, they will likely try to get him in as an echo, while Falco would be demote to Assist Trophy) Villager (Animal Crossing is too big a series to ignore. I'm unsure if Isabelle would get re-demoted to Assist Trophy, but considering the moveset similarities I don't see why they couldn't just demote her to echo, like Dr. Mario)
Luke Baker
>knowing a selection of characters from a long-running series is tism
why do you want to get rid of poor little jigglypuff? it's a fun unique character that I like playing sometimes and never hurt anyone.
Henry Barnes
For some reason people have chosen jiggles as the one to hate. Back before ultimate came out there was a shitposting campaign of a decent size of people trying to force that she was cut from the game.
Alexander James
A reboot sounds interesting and I'd be down for it, but I just can't see it happening considering the autism of rosterfags. If it happens, then Sakurai has some balls.
David Reyes
that's horrible
Evan Perez
The real reason why OP is wrong:
Money.
Ian Wright
Jigglypuff is irrelevant and needs to be removed for a better Pokemon, roster bloat is bad
"I like Jigglypuff" is not a reason to keep her in the game
Ryder Johnson
user you know the only reason eople give a shit about smash is the crossover appeal. Nintincels hate playing new IPs unless its Splatoon. Look at all the good Nintendo games that do moderately well at best because they're not Mario or Zelda.
rip sushi striker
David Price
Next game will be Nintendo vs Capcom.
Joshua Thompson
the next smash is going to be fucking garbage, screencap this post
Logan Reyes
>roster bloat is bad "I don't like them" is not a reason to cut characters from the game, and if you haven't noticed ultimate was entirely about not cutting anyone no matter how """little of a reason""" there was to have them. Fuck off, nigger.
It is a reason, and even if you were to remove jigglypuff you wouldn't then be replacing her with a similar character. There are tons of pokemon in the game, and there will continue to be tons more in future instalments, but what there will not be tons more of is unique air-focused characters like jigglypuff with fun weird shit like sing or rest.
Benjamin Adams
What a bold prediction.
Cooper Brooks
Inkling (Splatoon is too big a series to ignore. If anything they could add Octolings and/or Squid Sisters as echos or alts. If they still have a hard limit of 8 colors per char, they might try to justify another slot just for another set of 8 Inkling skins) Captain Falcon (Sort of a joke character. The Falcon Punch is too important to reduce to just an Assist Trophy or a hardcut) Pikachu (Too iconic to toss) Pokemon Trainer (Represents the series better than Pikachu, arguably. I could see them shaking up the trio, maybe) Mewtwo (Represents legendary pokemon effectively) Mr. Game & Watch (Represents Nintendo's beginnings as a game company) Olimar (Pikmin is still very relevant. They ought to add the other captains as "skins" and/or echos) Little Mac (This one is debatable, but I feel a new Punch-Out game could be around the corner. He's also a boxer, which fits in a fighting game) Miis (Obviously)
Third-Parties Returning: Sonic, Pac-Man (If Namco is developing again), Mega Man, and EITHER Snake or Simon, I doubt they'd bring back both, I dunno. Also, Cloud was hard to get back for Ultimate because of Square's stinginess. Sad. I could also see an argument for Ryu/Ken because of Street Fighter being in Smash Bros, but eh.
Henry Gray
>"I don't like them" is not a reason to cut characters from the game It's not my reason either Jigglypuff is irrelevant, every character's merit can be measured objectively with factors like number of appearances, significance of those appearances, and fan popularity Jiggs has none of the former two and only the third one from the small subset of people who like it for the moveset instead of the character itself
People that actually want to remove characters from smash are the most retarded people to exist
>Fox (Star Fox is still big enough to at least warrant 1 character I feel, as the original game was noteworthy for its graphics, Star Fox 64 was noteworthy for its voice acting, and Star Fox 2 has that history behind it. If they can't be arsed to add Wolf back in as a full char, they will likely try to get him in as an echo, while Falco would be demote to Assist Trophy)
Imagine thinking all of the starfox characters play the same to make this wrong of a statement.
Jacob Wood
>who like it for the moveset instead of the character itself oh boy do you really want to have the "functions" argument again?
Grayson Flores
Why would Young Link come back before Toon Link?
Luis James
>remove fighters
Jesus christ people bitched when there were cuts for Smash 4 do you really think they'd cut people going forward?
Mason Martinez
It's not that there's not any noteworthy characters, it's that you rosterfags are too fucking stingy. Seems like anyone below A-List vidya characters are "literal who"s that don't deserve to be in Smash.
Brayden Diaz
I mean, they'll cut some of the ones that only came back for Ultimate's Everybody Is Here for sure. That gimmick won't work again and they know it.
Robert Johnson
just ignore these posters they're all retarded as fuck
Aaron Diaz
Trust me, I know they all play differently in Ultimate. I'm talking about trimming down the characters in a hypothetical "reboot", and if they don't want to import Wolf, they may just settle for an echo.
Michael Wood
You're retarded. People LOVE having everyone from previous games and newcomers. It's why the EVERYONE IS HERE thing worked.
Dominic Brown
>nintendo is doomed for the 25th year in sequence
Jeremiah Sanchez
Cloud will get cut for sure. Square will never play ball three times in a row. Frankly I don't want fighters cut, but it's will happen in some capacity no matter what.
Ocarina of Time is more popular than Wind Waker.
Christian James
Sure, but that's a ton of work and for a lot of those characters, the payoff isn't great. It's an exciting thing if you do it once, but if people demand it then you've shot yourself in the foot. Every fighting game cuts some characters between titles.
Ryder Miller
next smash game should just fucking cut it back to the n64 cast with maybe a few of the best ones.
Hunter Gomez
I wish greninja was portrayed with those cool frog eyes more often.
