if you want to bitch about which is better like a faggot go to
MegaTen thread
Ryder Davis
Sebastian Cox
I want to fuck Jack Frost
Lincoln Williams
Give me the PQ2 DLC CIA
Jayden Johnson
Literally just started playing Nocturne for the first time, does Demi-fiend have a ‘canon’ name?
Ethan Baker
do you think we'll ever get another Devil Survivor?
Robert Sanchez
did you get the jack frost nendo
Austin Ward
apparently, if you count drama cds. "Naoki Kashima"
desu I'd just make a name for him
Ian Bennett
no I'm a poorfag neet
Daniel Kelly
Yeah: Demi-fiend
Ryder Cook
i broke the tail on mine the day i got it
Levi Hernandez
Got mine sitting in my walldrobe waiting on that Pyro Jack release
Ryan Gonzalez
his name is FUCK YOU
Zachary Cook
learn how to google
Carson Gray
I don't know why but the DDS2 mantra tree fucks with my head, am I a drooling troglodyte?
Joshua Russell
>playing SMT for the first time
>first demon I talk to calls me ugly and one shots me
Robert Walker
kek, which smt was it?
Leo Gonzalez
>between Jonathon and Walter, I agree with Walter the most
>end up getting locked in the Law path with Jonathon because I’m too nice or something
What does this say about me
Logan Thomas
post your demonbros
Dylan Long
I bet it was a Napaea in IV with Zan.
Joshua Baker
I just made one in PQ2 with Salome's Kiss and Bind Arts, I'm gonna be enjoying him for a while.
Josiah Carter
holy shit
Jose Anderson
Yes, Pyro Jack is on preorder and arrives next month.
Connor Hernandez
it's going to happen a lot, I still can't figure out girl demons and I've beaten the game twice
Eli Gomez
I fucking loved most of my demons, it got to be an issue where I wouldn't go and fuse them for something else.
but anys: Sukuna-Hikona, Black Frost, King Frost, Kikuri-hime, kushinada-hime, and motherfucking frost ace are still in my stock even after finishing SMTIVA
Oliver Price
How do I cheese SMT if..? I can't damage Hazama at all.
Dominic Flores
They left the cheese in SMT1 and 2
Fight like a man
Jayden Ross
why are jacku so adorable
Ian Lewis
Gotta be honest, I don’t like that Quetzalcoatl design that much. I’m more fond of the earlier SMT designs because at least it’s a feathered serpent like the name literally translates to.
Jordan Jackson
only the bro-est and most trustworthy for me
Ethan Fisher
They're cute but not in the generic way something furry with big, glossy eyes is. The fact they're naive assholes adds to the charm as well.
Camden Cook
Quetzalcoatl wasn't always depicted strictly as a serpent, though I get what you mean. My problem with the older design is that it doesn't reflect Aztec culture at all, it just looks liek a snake with wings. The Soul Hackers design is better I feel as it takes inspiration from Aztec culture and aesthetics.
Alexander Russell
this nigga, is my nigga
Xavier Morales
based, but smugly version is better
Benjamin Morgan
Christian James
You're in class just trying to look aloof when this mysterious transfer student transfers in and immediately grabs the attention of all the girls
What do?
Benjamin Powell
recruit him
Lucas Bennett
Just wait until summer semester, he'll melt
Jose Myers
>Atlus makes AoA generator
>but it looks like this
Blake Ward
I don't get it
Landon Baker
This but unironically
Jeremiah Morris
I'm gonna say it, the Devil Summoner designs were kinda crappy and tacky overall. Not that there weren't gems, but just look at this shit. The absolutely awful early digital coloring didn't help either.
The earlier designs were good, simple, gritty anime and the later ones were just gorgeous in their own right. This middle era was just eh...
Alexander Cook
The original Devil Summoner art is pretty shoddy looking, sure, but the Soul Hackers art looks fine.
Joseph Watson
Devil Summoner designs are the peak of Kaneko's creativity, not just in terms of the designs, but all the obscure mythologies they were taken from. It's why so many of them have been constantly reused ever since, while the games themselves had almost every design be brand new and even when they weren't they still got a new coat of paint.
Jordan Nelson
just started DDS2 and it seems worse than the previous one
Isaiah Hill
Is there a site with the Dx2 renders like this?
Landon Sullivan
it lets me put best persona girls front and center so I like it!
David Martinez
Simply not the case. Look at SMT1 Oberon, then look at DS:SH Oberon, and then look at Nocturne Oberon. Kaneko's choice to go back must've been one of the easiest choices in his entire life.
Connor Peterson
>blocks your phys attack
Camden Cook
Experimenting with new designs was cool to see from Kaneko. In your case I agree, the older Titania and Obereon were better, but it's still cool to see him try new things. Obviously it doesn't always work out, looking at Bael in SMTI and Bael in SMTII you see this, but it's fun none the less. In games like P5 you can sort of see what demons Atlus has determined are the "popular" ones, as the compendium of that game feels like it's made up of the most iconic designs in the series.
Justin Bell
Yes, because they're amazingly cheap to make and there's a lot of fans begging for one, plus the team is pretty passionate about the series. I played like 30 mins of PQ2 earlier today and the production value they put into a guaranteed bomb in the states and overseas surprised me. Honestly I would be shocked and pissed if we actually get a PQ3 over Desu3 or Raidou 3.
David Kelly
>they put into a guaranteed bomb in the states
Not sure why you think that. I imagine Q2 didn't cost too much since Q1 provided a lot of assets to reuse and P5fags are still a thing here, even with normalfags Joker in smash and the announcement of P5R probably brought some interest into it for them.
Jonathan Harris
Nocturne Oberon is SMT1 Oberon, with art from the PS1 remake
Chase Martin
>Not sure why you think that.
Look at the release date and platform m8. Predictably, it did bomb, even EO Nexus sold better
>P5fags are still a thing here, even with normalfags Joker in smash and the announcement of P5R
Very few of these people still have a 3DS and want to use it, plus it's a spinoff and not the real thing
Hunter Turner
Doesn't matter which. They're all great.
Benjamin Wright
what setting do you guys want from persona 6? and what kind of velvet room would it have?
personally I'd like an old timey 1800-something setting with a steam train's passenger car or conductor's seat as the velvet room
I just love the aesthetic of that era
Brayden Lopez
I don't know how anyone could like Kaneko's original or Doi's Odin. The SH Odin is the only good Odin design honestly.
Ayden Morgan
>personally I'd like an old timey 1800-something
Cool, then a lot of demons can't exist in the game as they haven't been created yet. Also why would a series about waifus use a older time period in the first place?
Christian Carter
>Cool, then a lot of demons can't exist in the game as they haven't been created yet
oh no, you're THAT guy.
>why would a series about waifus
read the OP and fuck off
Sebastian Allen
I think all designs are good in their own right, but the SH design should definitely be used more often.
Xavier Smith
I think a casino styled velvet room would be cool, but that's just off the top of my head, maybe a bar or lounge if that doesn't overlap with p2/p4 too much.
Mason Torres
>oh no, you're THAT guy.
Yeah, I guess I am. Seeing shit like "Dude we need a megaten game in the 1500's" makes no sense, it logically can't happen.
Jack Cruz
you are too stuck on your metaperspective that those myths hadn't been created at that point in time by irl humans
Oliver Nelson
Based and hee-hopilled
Eli Cruz
This.
Daniel Mitchell
what's this from?
Dylan Martinez
smt synchronicity prologue which was a free computer-lab sidescroller made to advertise sj redux, i can put up a download link if you want
Aaron Hughes
bump
David Turner
>put up a download link
sure, how though?
Jack Turner
why are skellingtons after my boi pussy in nocturne.
Nolan Jenkins
Playing desu2. I can't believe everyone got killed by a cheese grater.
Oliver Reyes
Lucifer wants to see who's the coolest skelton
Joshua Perry
They have a bone to pick with you.
Jacob Powell
Demi-Fiend is Lucifer's bottom bitch
Adrian Howard
Oh Carlos!
Jordan Edwards
mega DOT nz/#F!qjxGjYiZ!C3ymjRtOaZ6XSDGPpcj9Hw
english translation by some kid on twitter, "unpatched" folder is the original jp version (safe to delete)
Charles Robinson
SHUT THE FUCK UP, CARLOS
Ayden Perez
My bro Cu Chulainn.
Anthony Ross
Hopefully one day. These games were fun as fuck.
Asher Harris
thanks user, appreciated. I was needing some service to share files with online friends so you've given me two things
Evan Kelly
Bentley Howard
How the fuck did you not know about MEGA before? Or Google Drive
Robert Flores
I mean I knew about mega and google drive, but I don't trust these specific friends with my google account. about mega idk, i just never thought about it
Ayden Barnes
Will SMTV be at E3, bros?
Carter Morales
unlikely. hold out for TGS friend
Chase Thompson
I want an update at the very least but it’s hard to say if it’ll be unveiled yet.
Cameron Harris
Mason Baker
No
Gavin Allen
Jordan Anderson
these always fuck me up
Gavin Turner
you better pick mothman, user
Christian Howard
Be my friend, you fucking moth.
Jose Gray
My favorite jack frost variant
Easton Russell
>tfw no demihee
Noah James
YOU DIG
William Young
>that one artwork from Devil Summoner where jack's eyes were actually holes
Brandon Carter
Which artwork?
Luke Brooks
wtf that isn't Jack Frost's Solar Data
Austin Jackson
Ayden Wood
Well damn.
Gavin Cox
I have absolutely no idea what she does in this game but man does she look cool.
Camden Sanders
Colton Jackson
it makes sense for pyro's eyes, but frost looks not so good
Joseph Hill
Hunter Reyes
*Heehoshura
Jayden Gomez
Honestly based.
Jason Barnes
pokemon is better than this garbage
Jeremiah Harris
lmao
Jayden Wilson
I know you’re trying to start shit but the Pokémon games were getting so stale for me that I went for SMT and never looked back.
Owen Roberts
In which megaten games is it viable to take your starting demons to the end?
Anthony Davis
i got bored of p5 within the first hour
Christopher Rodriguez
DDS :^)
Liam Hill
>Persona 5
Well there’s your first mistake.
Jaxson Moore
Try playing mainline then, Persona is mostly text boxes.
Alexander Nguyen
wanna get started on this series cause i love its character design, where do i begin?
Colton Scott
ok retard
Ethan Young
Nocturne, it's in 3D so you can appreciate them better
Lincoln Brown
SMTIV, Nocturne, and Strange Journey are good places to start IMO.
Levi Hughes
Man, I would love for Atlus to port DDS (and the other SMT games) to modern consoles.
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Nathan Moore
Rider Chads where at?
Christopher Gutierrez
if persona was your introduction to megaten, and you hated it, you might like SMT
Jackson Morris
Nocturne on ps2, play it blind. The games are best enjoyed that way.
Ryder Sanders
him and pixie with pyro coming up soon
Nicholas Young
Kek
Ethan Cruz
Hee hell yeah nigger
Wyatt Long
Isaiah Jackson
>playing Persona Q2
>the amount of dialogue and cutscenes in the opening hours
I don't remember the first one being this bad, good lord, I'm just fucking fast forwarding through most of it now. Doesn't help that the encounter rate in the dungeons are low.
Benjamin White
>that one NPC who deleted the email because he thought the demon summoner was a virus
How do you think he felt when it turned out his whole family got murdered by Pretas right in front of him?
Isaiah White
>nocturnefags
I’m really holding back the urge to start a flamewar but why do you boomers cling on to this inferior game
Colton Campbell
1 and 2 are the boomer games, zoomer
Jordan Russell
>I don't remember the first one being this bad
the first one was definitely this bad, especially after they introduced Coldsteel and Kirby
Gavin White
>boomer
I don’t think you know what that means.
Carson Perry
>playing a Persona spinoff that only exists for crossover fanservice reasons
>surprised at the amount of dialogue and cutscenes
hoo boy
Joseph Ortiz
It's a good game start with dumbass.
Julian Thomas
>by the time of the post nuke segment only you, ozawa and the three gatekeeper summoners exist with working COMPs
>by the time of 2, you seem to be the only guy with an arc terminal that has a DSP
Man everyone got screwed in those games
Benjamin Hernandez
compared to what, dumbass
Jacob Turner
I haven't even gotten to the part where you can interact or even use the 3 and 4 gang, it's literally the 5 people for 3 hours talking among themselves.
Jack Gomez
Look, I get it, you fucking hate nintendo, but let’s put that shit aside and come to an agreement that SMTIV is the best entry into the series
Nathaniel Scott
I really feel like Quetzalcoatl would be a great Chaos alignment representative. Maybe in an Aztec/Meso mythology centric game? Also obligatory post for Yosuga.
Kayden Edwards
>hate Nintendo
But I recommended Strange Journey and SMTIV alongside Nocturne.
Christian Thomas
It's really not. It's a fine game but tbe team's inexperience really shows. It's wasted potential umfortunately.
Ethan Sullivan
You know Pokemon is in a desperate position when they feel the need to come into SMT threads, of all places to cope.
It's not a Nintendo issue. I just find Nocturne a better starting point, and it's an earlier title in the series. I always recommend Nocturne, and then IV afterwards.
Brandon Adams
I am an idort, and I didn't know this franchise existed until starting with SMTIV
Nocturne is better than it. Especially for this user who says he's interested in the series because of the designs, Nocturne has more to offer as a console game in full 3D while IV uses tweened sprites from 1997. Not to mention the horrible looking guest art
Brayden Evans
Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei then SMT1 then 2 and so on
James Scott
my personal favourite is SJ but I can see why people recommend nocturne as the first game. the actual 3d models really help enhance the already great atmosphere so it becomes much better at roping in new blood then the other traditional SMT games. of course once they've got a feel of nocturne they can branch out to the other games
Caleb Phillips
Joshua Perez
Cope, Ryan. I told you I'd be in every thread from now on.
Hunter Hughes
Do not take the bait.
Caleb Richardson
>divide the fandom
Imagine being this delusional that you think that's your doing
Samuel Rodriguez
Dude, P4 is second dungeon and P3 is third dungeon, you're gonna be there for a while.
Joshua Thomas
There are much better demon dialogues.
Luke Foster
What does this prove exactly
This could be anyone
Christian Martinez
I wish I used my actual demons more to start negotiations, there are some unique ones apparently
Blake Davis
Based Momunofu
Bentley Thomas
Screenshot as much as you want. It doesn't mean anything, and it won't stop me. I'm just as easily going to enter Persona threads under the guise of an SMT elitist and derail those as well. I told you how things were going to go down from now on. Just accept it.
Evan Ward
why was this tranny so mad again? he was told to fuck off back to discord?
Thomas Fisher
Why doesn't "Report for participating/instigating a flame war" ever work?
Joshua Scott
Shit, could demons abandon you if you did it like this?
Hudson Thomas
>he doesn’t know
Chase Peterson
Just remember that you do it for free and will not change a single thing
Colton Howard
Most people don't. It's a shame as Nocturne's negotiation system actually is relatively complex. When two demons negotiate the game factors in a lot of information such as race, level, how much higher/lower the demon's level is to your demon, gender, age (child, adult, elderly), and some other crazy stuff. It's really interesting actually.
No, it was never that complex, demons never left you once recruited/fused.
Yea Forums needs flamewars I guess.
Eli Mitchell
Which area is this?
John Torres
that's right when you exit shinjuku medical hospital at the start
Dylan Bailey
Angel Murphy
I hope SMTV brings back Raidou 2's unique dialogue between certain pairs of Demons.
Oliver Reyes
rasputin was so good in raidou
Ayden Stewart
You think DeSu 3 would work well for the Switch? The 3DS is already dead, so it's kind of a miracle PQ2 even exists. Or do you it's still possible to get one more 3DS game out of them?
Oliver Peterson
Considering how PQ2 did it won't even be considered, I bet. If it comes out, it'll be on Switch.
Colton Rogers
If FE can make a new SRPG for the Switch, maybe Atlus can.
Gavin Carter
Based and fuckable pilled.
Logan Johnson
It's not as if SPRGs have not been made on home consoles before.
Fucking loads of them have.
It just won't be as cheap to make since you can't reuse sprites and do the bare minimum with that.
Just got to translate Yasuda's art to 3D to the point where it doesn't clash hard with the existing megaten demons if it's DeSu 3, or just make another spinoff SPRG game like how Ronde and Majin Tensei existed prior.
Oliver Richardson
Me and my cute snek
Carson Nelson
I think rather than pq2, they'll consider making a DeSu 3 based on DeSu port's sales (potential port)
if they won't even port it I don't think they'll even considering it
Anthony Cox
I think it can still work with 2d sprites. They just need to make them bigger and more detailed, like a NES to SNES type thing.
Jacob Morgan
That could work.
Hell I wouldn't mind it using 3D and 2D, like say cinematics and battles use 3D but general map shit uses 2D
Justin Jones
It'd be cool if the cutscenes were similar to the opening cinematic from record breaker. Or alternatively, like the 3d scenes from the new FE games.
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Liam Cooper
Buy rasta candies from the casino.
Juan Stewart
Brody Green
Connor Hernandez
Jaxson Young
God I wish that were me.
Nathan Jackson
Is nocturne really as hard as people make it out to be? The biggest trouble I had was the first dante battle but even then it was because of my own dumb mistakes that were making it harder for myself. I'm currently at Hell Biker now. Does it get tougher?
Nolan Peterson
no it's not that hard
Oliver Hernandez
>Is nocturne really as hard as people make it out to be?
not really. it has a few casual filters but there are harder megatens
Noah Williams
It's most people's first, and it doesn't really hold your hand with tutorials. I thought it was impossible when I first played it, but in hindsight it's not very hard.
Luis Bell
No. When it came out though it was different from the big console jrpgs like Final Fantasy though and really messed a lot of people up. Nocturne was the first mainline title released in America and Europe, players had never really played anything like it. Today bosses like Matador are famous but back then when players were completely blind and he showed up they had no idea that buffs and debuffs mattered, naturally he would kick people's ass repeatedly. It's reasons like that that I argue Nocturne should be played blind, it's most enjoyed that way.
Anthony Peterson
Matthew Murphy
>but back then when players were completely blind and he showed up they had no idea that buffs and debuffs mattered
what? those people are just stupid or too young to put 2 and 2 together. the boss clearly demonstrates how important buffs are by buffing himself, that's how I learned
Christian Carter
Played persona 5 recently as my first and only MegaTen related game (unless Catherine counts), and enjoyed it, though I found it dragged near the end and would have been much better if it stuck to teenagers vs dick adults instead of the whole kill the demiurge bollocks. I enjoyed the VN-like side of it and though the combat was good I sometimes felt like it was getting in the way of what I was actually excited for.
Should I try out other MegaTen games or are they unlikely to be for me? I'm thinking maybe SMT3, SMT4, P3, or P4. Which if any, should I play, and how should I go about playing it on PC?
Julian Wright
it sounds like you would really love Devil Survivor if you liked the vn side of it. it's an SRPG so not quite like the rest of the megaten series
Adam Perez
Megaten is all about killing gods, if that was your least favorite part of p5 then I have doubts there's anything for you in these games.
Dominic Perez
Based and Cutepilled
Jose Davis
Don't listen to it's much more than "killing gods". It's about finding your way in the apocalypse
Jaxson Morris
But they hated the apocalyptic part of p5
Charles Reed
Yeah they hated the godkilling shit but you are paraphrasing for a lack of a better word
Colton Sanders
>nocturne is considered the best in the series
>stuck on the ps2
>ps2 emulators still suck
>no remake/remaster
well then
Isaac Wilson
That sounds cool, I might look into that. Will I be able to emulate it? And I see it got a rerelease, would I want to play that or the original?
I'm always a little sceptical of godslaying as a plot point, but even so, I imagine I'd be more sympathetic to it if it didn't come out of nowhere and upend my comfy high school shenanigan simulator.
I don't mind the apocalypse in general (or even fighting gods provided it's done well), it was more that it felt out of place with everything else P5 had invested in. I spent the entire game doing relatively low-key personal missions against targets who didn't even realise they were being targeted, while also living a normal school life, doing confidants, etc. Maybe I just went in with the wrong expectations, but it felt like the emotional climax should have been stealing Shido's heart, saving Japan, and clearing your name - that would have flowed from the rest of the game more naturally than an 11th hour armageddon.
Jace Bennett
>Maybe I just went in with the wrong expectations
You did, Persona has always been about gods, most Megaten games in general are.
Samuel Morales
I can't really say. I've heard mixed things about the rerelease but never really played either. You should be able to emulate the original, considering its a ds game, and maybe the 3ds one. 3ds emulation is pretty hit or miss though
Elijah Perry
>combat was good I sometimes felt like it was getting in the way of what I was actually excited for.
>you would really love Devil Survivor
you're an idiot, that's the worst possible choice
Jacob Peterson
>I've heard mixed things about the rerelease
??? There is not a single thing better in the ds version compared to the 3ds version
Zachary Wright
But in that case, why weren't they a more conspicuous presence for the first 90% of the game? It had developed a compelling and fleshed out story about how the asshole politician who framed you was using paranormal powers to murder his enemies and take over Japan - there wasn't really anything about gods at any point until after I reached the bottom of the prison dungeon, with only an hour or two left of the game. 75 hours spent developing Shido as the main antagonist was much more effective than 5 hours spent on yaldabaoth.
Alright then, I'll try getting DS emulation set up, not something I have much experience with but it's never too late to start.
Why's that user?
Camden Ross
Idk man I guess it was some hot take I heard but
Carson Nelson
>there wasn't really anything about gods
All of your enemies and personas are gods
Grayson Stewart
Devil survivor is mostly combat, it's a srpg. If you thought there was too much combat in persona there's no way you'll like a game that's composed of a long sequence of 30+ minute battles with brief text segments inbetween.
Landon Barnes
The 3ds version doesn't add much. Just voices and a little more story content. It was criticized when it came out for not having enough content for people who already own the DS version.
Jason Walker
Ian Reed
And what would you rather reccomend? All other megami tensei games (besides persona) have much longer dungeon crawling segments than that
Kevin Cruz
>why weren't they a more conspicuous presence for the first 90% of the game?
It's a bit more apparent if you've played the prior games, but Igor is suspicious throughout the game and although it may feel like Yaldabaoth only appears at the end because his true form only appears then, he's with you the whole time as Igor. The supernatural elements are made out to be the end goal pretty early on as one of the only concrete goals you're given beyond deal with people with Palaces as they come up is to find out what's going on at the bottom of Mementos, and ending things with a God of control is a natural escalation as you're progressively dealing with people in higher and higher positions of power with more and more capacity to control and oppress a larger and larger number of people, and a God who can do that to all people with an ability beyond any man's to do so is a logical place to finish that escalation.
Zachary Moore
You can buy it on PS3
Easton Morgan
>(besides persona)
It's not besides Persona, DeSu doesn't even have dungeon crawling, it can't have less than Persona when it doesn't have it at all and Persona does.
Carson Miller
>>nocturne is considered the best in the series
???
Jose Russell
Based on his posts I think it's very likely that he'll enjoy P4 or P3
Christopher Gomez
Not true, Devil Survivor is a story heavy game
>a game that's composed of a long sequence of 30+ minute battles with brief text segments inbetween
This never happens
Brandon Sanders
Uninterrupted combat segments* sorry you pedantic asshole
Cooper Carter
No need to get so upset over it.
Jaxon Flores
No need to be pedantic. You knew exactly what I meant
Owen Price
They have the name and appearance of gods but the game says at every opportunity that they're actually people's shadows from the sea of souls. Storywise, there's nothing really about gods going on there, it's just people whose inner selves happen to take on appearances from mythology when you fight them - or at least that's how it's presented to the player.
Not knowing beforehand what was coming, the expectation the game set for me was that I was involved in the supernatural, but at a fairly low level and certainly not as a prospective godslayer. Going from someone who spends a couple weeks to use his supernatural powers to convince a dick to be less of a dick, to someone who kills the ruler of the physical universe on a few hours notice, definitely felt jarring.
I understand what you're getting at, but I still don't think it makes much sense without your expectations being shaped by metaknowledge of the series.
>ending things with a God of control is a natural escalation as you're progressively dealing with people in higher and higher positions of power with more and more capacity to control and oppress a larger and larger number of people, and a God who can do that to all people with an ability beyond any man's to do so is a logical place to finish that escalation
This makes perfect sense if you know megaten already and are aware that that's the sort of thing that happens in the series. Otherwise, though, I don't think that would ever occur to you as a natural subsequent step in the progression.
>corrupt gym teacher > corrupt artist > corrupt local criminal > corrupt businessman > corrupt prosecutor > corrupt politician > the demiurge
that last bit is a massive leap, and a complete odd-one-out, that I think you could only ever expect based on the precedent of other games.
I'll do some research. Thanks for the discussion.
I've heard QoL changes makes it hard to enjoy P3 after P4 - true?
Kevin Hall
Demiurge isn't a god either you know
Michael Flores
>I don't think that would ever occur to you as a natural subsequent step in the progression.
I don't know that that specifically would be what occurs to you naturally, but when you beat Shido you still know that you haven't gotten to the bottom of Mementos, so you know that there's some supernatural element you haven't dealt with yet, and from there it's not hard to surmise that there's some supernatural enemy who you have to fight at the end, even if you can't predict that it's Yaldabaoth or a God specifically.
Jordan Garcia
>I've heard QoL changes makes it hard to enjoy P3 after P4 - true?
it's true for every persona if you start with 5, really
Owen Morris
>They have the name and appearance of gods but the game says at every opportunity that they're actually people's shadows from the sea of souls.
So's Yaldy, dummy. Mementos is a palace, like the others. Specifically, it's the palace for everyone who wants to give up control of their lives. Yaldy is their treasure, like the other treasures in the other palaces. Yaldy was built up from the moment you entered Mementos and Morgana kept talking about trying to figure out what was at the bottom.
Like seriously, did you just expect the Mementos plotline to go nowhere? What did you expect to find down there, a treasure chest with a note saying "good job you beat the game"? Did it never cross your mind what could be at the heart of a palace big enough to encompass literally millions of people instead of just one?
Angel Evans
Post Ho's.
Luke Clark
>to someone who kills the ruler of the physical universe on a few hours notice, definitely felt jarring.
You misunderstood the story if that's what you thought Yaldabaoth was. Yaldabaoth didn't create the universe in p5, he's a being from the collective unconscious created out of humanity's collective apathy. He's less of a god and more of a big shadow, like most "gods" in persona.
Colton Jenkins
Where the fuck is 5? My switch is right next to me, better not pull some stupid vanishing trick and put it on the ps5 or some shit fatlus.
Justin Fisher
It's 3:30 and I have a job interview in 7 1/2 hours, I need to get to bed. Thanks for all the helpful replies, I'll check in the morning to read any more that come.
I guess not within the religion it comes from - but by the same standard that would admit thor or lucifer as "gods" then the being "responsible for fashioning and maintaining the physical universe" would definitely count.
That's fair. I guess I let mementos fly under my radar as something pivotal to the main story, because it seemed to just be for side quests, grinding whenever you want, and Morgana's backstory. I mostly just assumed that at the bottom we'd find out Morgana's real origin, and maybe get to fight shadow morgana as a secret boss or something - wasn't sure what to make of those weird dreams he kept having, they threw me off a bit.
True, he's not the "real" demiurge - but he still was powerful enough to remake reality on a scale most actual gods wouldn't be capable of - regardless of the theological details, he represented the plot jumping from a personal, human threat that I cared about to an impersonal cosmic threat that didn't do nearly so much for me, which was what bothered me.
In that case, would you recommend I play P3 before P4 or shall I just keep working backwards?
Connor Murphy
5 is never coming out retard. EVER.
Eli Wilson
Fuck you
Ryder Reyes
I want Oliver back so much
John Hernandez
It actually isn't that big a deal to play 4 before 3 because a lot of 4's "QoL changes" just amount to simplifying what was in 3. Going from 4 to 3 will actually make it seem like 3 had more mechanical depth, at the tradeoff of not having direct control over your party members, which itself really isn't that big a deal and is removed by either using a mod or playing the PSP version.
Ryan Lewis
Not a god in Persona universe
Eli Wright
Who isn't? I'm not reading that fucking book you are quoting.
Tyler Phillips
Jacked Frost, and he's dead wrong
Owen Diaz
The gods (final bosses) in P5 are actually gods though. Hell 1's true boss was Nyx. I guess the only non god final boss was from the dualogy. This goes all the way back to iF.
Xavier Sanders
???
Luis Wilson
They're not actual gods in the sense that they have the power of gods over the real world unless some weird shit is happening. They're shadows from the collective human consciousness representing a specific aspect of human emotion and behavior, taking the form of gods because that's typically how human mythology and folklore works. They only have power over the human world when some weird shit happens that causes the real world and the world of the collective consciousness to in some way merge or overlap.
Andrew Lee
The false immaterial god is P5's final boss. 4 was Izanami. 3 Had Nyx. 2 was Nyar and 1 was Nyx. (named Queen Asura)
Jeremiah Murphy
user you are aware the gods that exist in SMT are also human constructs created subconsciously as well right?
Kayden Bennett
What’s worse is when Melcoch tells you to grovel and you are given three choices saying submit for all them. Then he starts blabbering about how you have a fetish for grovelling and being weak.
William Lee
Not in the way that Persona's are.
Matthew Flores
He’s gonna need a guide for kyuukaku
Dominic Harris
ok but why are you replying to me
Parker Hernandez
>playing Nocturne for the first time
>mfw Tower of Kagutsuchi
this is so fucking bad
genuinely fucking terrible
other megten games are better right? IDGAF about story I just want the gameplay to be better than this
Jace Allen
Gotta have my unga bunga bling with me.
Jace Roberts
I didn't particularly care for how the dual-screen UI was handled with the last 2. Convenient, sure, but not something I'd ultimately miss if it ever converts to a single, larger screen. Also wouldn't put it past Atlus to port OC/RB as an excuse to 'test the waters'.
John Sullivan
They are extremely similar. This goes all the way back to iF. Also Philemon is a literal god that helps you oppose other gods. (or used to)
Oliver Morris
4A has the best gameplay yes.
Hudson Moore
Philemon is just a spirit guide.
Sebastian Foster
>Tower of Kagutsuchi
It's the last dungeon in the game, just finish it. It'snot even bad, if you think ToK is bad the Great Cathedral of SMTI would make you kill yourself.
Bentley Brooks
PROMOTIONS
Juan Rivera
Philemon is a deity in the Persona universe.
Leo Garcia
if it has nearly as many warp puzzles as this fucking mess I think I would
Hudson Bailey
Never try Strange Journey Redux
Thomas Sullivan
He's a spirit guide. In a franchise where supernatural powers come from the strength of one's spirit as they fight against apparitions created by the collective spirits of mankind this makes him as close to a god as possible, but he doesn't actually have godlike power over the real world unless humans are fucking around with the collective consciousness for the dozenth time.
Joseph Barnes
only Redux or the original too?
Benjamin Hughes
Both. Sector E is overrated but will drive you specifically up a wall.
Jayden Williams
DDS2 and SJ are infinitely worse for teleport mazes, I don't even remember Nocturne's from how little trouble I had with them, the final dungeon in DDS2 and the sixth sector of SJ made me want to fucking die from their teleport mazes. They improved SJ's in SJR though so they're not that bad anymore.
Camden Scott
Redpill me on Soul Hackers, why is there relatively little mention about it and should I play it regardless?
Mason Howard
He is technically both you (jung philosophy) and a deity though.
Eli Bailey
just google it bro
Xavier Cook
>put Nocturne down for a few months
>can't remember what I fused Pixie into
Brayden Gomez
It's fucking old and most people got into the series at Nocturne or later so they didn't bother, even with the re-release. It's worth a play though.
Ryder Garcia
it's always the top one
unless you sacrificed her, then gg
Evan Hill
if you're close to the last kalpa, just bring some revival beads and some heals nbd. Apparently pixie is always your top demon on the list, that or second highest idr someone itt will know
Adam Miller
>3DS port of a Saturn game from 1997
that's why people don't play it
play it it's good
Jaxson Gomez
You need mag to use demons and they don't level up.
Lucas Brooks
Thank god, she's a Makami then (I'm in Kabukicho).
Grayson Butler
>race, level, how much higher/lower the demon's level is to your demon, gender, age (child, adult, elderly)
but all of those exist in other games since the very first game, age, gender, and race aren't actually separate and are just grouped together as "personalities"
Hudson Garcia
>why is there relatively little mention of it
megaten fans will have played it, but most people who play megaten aren't hardcore
It's got a strong 90s vibe, archaic gameplay but a cool cast
Juan Rogers
>finish nocturne for the first time
>normal demon ending
welp
made as save earlier just in case this happened, time for True Demon
Parker Rodriguez
This.
Samuel Adams
>Assuming Yasuda will be on the art
:^)
Chase Gonzalez
>couldn't pass aradia's test
ONE JOB
Robert Morris
actually, is there any way to go back and change this or am I just fucked on this save
I'd like to at least fight the final boss and get a not terrible ending, then do TDE
Gavin Young
In Nocturne they definitely are seperate, in case you were saying otherwise. Look up the recruitment skills
John Taylor
I survived Sector E but called it quits in Sector H in the original
Ryder Phillips
I didn't realize a single dialogue option could fuck my entire ending
Thomas Sanchez
Honestly SJ isn't as bad as Nocturne, since it's a grid-based dungeon crawler and you have a handy map to manage. It isn't as slow as Nocturne as well. Nocturne's warp dungeon is bad mostly because of encounters taking forever and map being horrible. These aren't issues in SJ.
Gabriel Reed
see If you go neutral, but didn't tell Aradia you would follow your path no matter what, you're fucked
Ryder Ward
Womb of Grief shits all over Nocturne's warp dungeon.
Grayson Evans
I don't even remember answering any kind of answer like that
I guess that's what I get for being a fence sitting neutralfag though.
Ryan Davis
I just realized If... was translated and I'm about to play it. Ive heard it's crap but I find that hard to believe since people were bitching about the translation for years.
Aaron Gonzalez
Doesn't the former's game let you know where the warps will take you so you don't have to memorize it yourself?
Christian Green
youtube.com
it was right after Yoyogi
Carson Bailey
Only if you have a specific sub app.
Landon Rogers
all personalities have set age, that's how it works
you can't have same personality for demons of varying age
Jayden Cruz
Womb of Grief is exclusive to SJR.
Kevin Cook
Why would it be any better just because people wanted it translated? This logic is so backwards
Jose Morris
How are you able to see warps on your map when you have to step on them in order for them to register on said map?
Joseph Carter
iF is fucking dated af. The dying at the right time mechanic to power up is fucking retarded as well.
Jason Lee
obviously you won't know. not the first time
Connor Carter
Where are you getting these renders?
Carson Cruz
I just thought it'd be good since people wanted it translated. Why would people want something bad translated?
Caleb Foster
>The Raidou manga still hasn't been translated
Chief.. this isn't it.
Jaxson Bailey
The official novel will never be translated either, it sucks.
Cameron Evans
But Redux has an app which tells you where does a warp take you after you use it once.
Joseph Cruz
Kept him around quite a bit in SMTIV, homie was so fuckin stronk,
Zachary King
That's only after you step on the warp, though. I love Strange Journey, but it's going to be another couple years before I go back and play it, honestly. A lot of the later dungeons are overly filled with trial, and error mess. The Womb of Grief has good design, but it's quite possibly one of the more tedious dungeons. I wish Atlus wasn't so stuck on abusing teleportation puzzles for dungeons. It's like, one of the only gimmicks they use when I'm sure there's more things available.
Ian Morales
i enter the thread and this is the first fucking thing i read
Xavier Carter
I hate how low leveled Baldr is in the IV duology. He's like, in the level 40 ~ 50's and I never really use him because of how mediocre his move pool is. Having Hama, and Physical affinity is nice, though.
Joseph Gray
Yes, it was the first thing everyone saw since it was the first post user.
Camden Flores
it's from the gacha game
Adrian Collins
I meant where he was finding the images of the renders, I'm aware they're from Dx2?
Julian Watson
it's just something i didn't expect.
Hudson Richardson
I think they have a bundle of said HD models on Google drive, or something. I'm surprised that such a shitty Gacha game had models like that to begin with, honestly. They have got to be there for SMTV, or something.
Dylan White
Link? Thanks for the info though.
Lincoln Jones
My mistake, it actually wasn't on google drive.
>mobile.twitter.com
This guy has a handful of the models available, but I assume he has all of the models bundled up somewhere, though.
Lucas Reed
>mobile.twitter.com
Thanks user, deeply appreciate it. Having these in such high quality is great.
Owen Miller
I own two. I preordered Pyro Jack, and I own two pixies. I have a Raidou figma too.
Christopher Sanchez
>Keep trying to convince myself that we won't get a lick of info for E3
>Still have hope anyway and I'm anticipating Nintendo's section more than ever this year
Fuck this shit.
Luke Wright
How is Pixie? I've debated getting her but heard mixed things on her?
Andrew Ortiz
Pretty good for a 60 dollar figure.
Jack Cooper
I got a really good line of skills from past fusions into him like Crit Wave, Fang Breaker, a few other physical skills, Tarukaja, and MP Drain.
Some fusions in IV, I have no idea why you would get them, like, Mido, stop fucking recommending me Legion when his stats are kinda bad and he offers no real good skills, especially with any of the fusion recipes i can make him with.
But some are completely fucking busted, like Balor, Agidyne, Zandyne, and Titanomachia so fucking early on in one package?
Matthew Ramirez
Imagine preparing yourself for anticipation instead of just focusing on something else
Jace Hall
You missed an A there buddy
Or an F if you feel like a weeb
Jeremiah Gutierrez
bump
Easton Smith
>playing on a phone emulator
Carter Cooper
Aiden Sanders
Nice thread
Caleb Miller
>ps2 emulators still suck
lmao
Camden Hernandez
I did even though I don't play smt. I just really like jack frost
Jason Wright
>only one collector's edition with Raihou left on amazon
>may never be in stock again
>$140
>too embarassed to spend that much on a plush but still really want it
Caleb Gray
when are they gonna add filipino demons