Persona 3 has good writi-

As opposed to such western writing masterpieces such as Life is Strange and Until Dawn, amirite

They're high schoolers.
How exactly do you expect them to talk?

Fix your aspect ratio you mongoloid

Shinji isn’t a bad guy though. His advice is 100% correct, Ken is a dumb young kid and if he spends every minute pursuing revenge, especially in this case against the wrong person, he’ll end up broken and eventually dead.

Nice aspect raidou fagit

This. It's retards like OP that parrot what's popular in other threads without knowing WHY it's said that are the reason why Yea Forums has turned to shit.
This trope is shit because it lets a villain walk scot-free after commiting countless atrocities while the heroes parade on a false sense of justice on the fact that they spared a single life that will probably live on to kill millions. Except this doesn't works here because Shinji ISN'T a villain, he's a broken man that got carried away on his emotions at a young age, killed innocent people by doing so and is guilt-ridden to the point of contemplating suicide. This line is 100% accurate considering Ken is going down the exact same path, NOT because of the "lol can't kill villains" trope.

>complex dialogue when speaking to a child
Okay retard

How hard can it be to enable the fucking widescreen patch?

OP is underage retard thread is over go home nothing to see here

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>This line is 100% accurate considering Ken is going down the exact same path
How is killing the man who killed your mother going down the same path? Are you telling me if someone killed your mother and you had a way to get revenge punishment free you wouldn't do it? This is some cuck logic where you argue revenge is never right but I don't think that's the case.

The whole "Ken, Shinji, and Aki" storyline really shows how small IQ the modern Persona fan is and why they dummed down the series.

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>People pretending P3 had good writing
P3's writing sucked ass and was fake as shit. Especially in the opening when you're asleep and Mitsuru/etc. talk about shit in the sec room.

>16:9 without patch
Fucking retard kek.

Ok grandpa enjoy your PS2 tier graphics

WIDER

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>not wanting to murder someone makes you a cuck
Shinji killed Ken's mom on an accident while young, and is willing to take full responsibility of that fact. Ken is also aware of that at this point, but he's a dumb kid blinded by rage with a black-and-white mentality that would rather murder a random man in an alley to feel better about himself rather than being an adult.

>random man
This is the equivilent of some man drunk driving and killing your mother while getting away with it scot-free. He feels bad about it, who cares?

What's wrong with that even out of context? He's not saying if he dies he wins or some shit.

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WIDER

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He DIDN'T get off free.

It's from the PS2, retard. Elucidate me on what other tier should it be in?

Oh gosh, he feels so bad slaughtering that innocent mother leaving that poor child all alone :(((( How pitiful.....

>some man
Kid. IIRC the age wasn't specificed, but Shinji was a teenager at best.

>scot-free
Shinji is willing to take full responsibility, he said so himself. That doesn't means Ken needs to kill him.

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holy fuck those delicate skinny shota legs wrapped in soft cotton socksies...

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Low quality bait

Taking real responsibility would be to seppuku like a true samurai instead of drugging yourself retarded.

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>implying that p3 wasn't massively dumbed-down compared to p2

Ken is a good boy and he would probably become a self-loathing emo, so yeah, Shinjiro is right.

>if you murder someone you'll become a murderer

yes that is how things work. it's simplistic but true.

Persona is chock full of cringe and shit writing (and godawful "gameplay") but you chose one of the few lines that's passable.

also
>that fucked aspect ratio
are you legitimately retarded?

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He took those pills out of penance, knowing fully well that he was going to eventually die because of them.

>but it's ok because now he's going to be murdered by a small boy on purpose

Except Shinji isn't an angsty scene girl with eyeliner willing to cut herself for attention, he's a MAN, and he wants to face responsibility like a MAN. He didn't want to commit suicide because he wanted to face the consequence of his acts instead of going out the pussy way.

OP isn't a faggo-

Calm down

Or post more

>Shinji loose controls over his power and ands up killing Ken's mom
>because of the guilt, he becomes a recluse and starts taking drugs to keep his powers in check
>said drug is also killing him, that why he's also wearing the jacket, because his body temperature is really low
Shinji was already dying and was implied that even if he didnt sacrifice himself to save Ken, he would have died not that long after. He chose to die for Ken, so that he didnt go down the same route he did.

>someone kills your mother in an accident and takes full responsiblity
>your response is to go and murder him

>He doesn't know about the widescreen patch

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So? I can think of many scenarios where I could live guilt free from taking the life of someone who killed my mother.

So slow suicide instead of seppuku.

If Ken wants to kill him more power to Ken. This is why death row and life sentences are a thing. People give up the right to enact revenge so that the state can do it in their place. But what happens when the state can't do anything about it?

>He didn't want to commit suicide because he wanted to face the consequence of his acts instead of going out the pussy way.
Except for the fact he was about to die and it was some weird fate where Ken and Shinji end up in the same team right when the drugs are about to kill him.

Yes? Imagine someone killing your mother drunk driving but he goes to apologize to you the next day. Is it suddenly okay?

I'll try both

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>drunk driving is the same as killing someone by mistake with your psychic powers

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Shinji was I think 15 or maybe he had just turned 16 when he killed Ken's mother. He's a third year (17/18) during the story and it's said that he killed her two years earlier.

Explain how it's not.
>go crazy and kill someone
>drink yourself retarded, get in car, and kill someone

You have control over drinking, he literally could not control his Persona when he killed her, are you dense?

how fucking retarded are you

edge

Not at all.
Shinji was fighting another shadow when he killed Ken's mom, not attacking blindly with it. A more accurate example would be if a cop shot someone while trying to kill an active shooter. It was collateral damage.

It's because of intent. Shinjiro didn't intend to kill her. People who drunk drive know they're drunk and that there can be consequences but they do it anyways.
If you think drunk driving is enough to warrant killing someone, then why the fuck are you defending Ken? He literally plans for months on how to kill Shinjiro but it's okay when he kills because ???

>Emulatorfags don't even know how to emulate properly

L M A O

>guy can't control his persona so he accidentally kills a person
>you can literally not drink or get a designated driver instead of drunk driving

The point isn't just what Shinjiro did, the point is what Ken has to gain by killing him. This isn't the case of a villain who killed his mom and is laughing that he got away with it, it's someone who made a mistake and is now mentally fucked up from it. What exactly does Ken have to gain from killing him? Some shallow feeling that he did the "right" thing? Will it bring his mother back? Nope. Will it remove a murderer from the world? Not really because unlike actual villains like Strega, Shinjiro doesn't actually want to murder people. Nobody wins if Ken kills him, and the only thing that happens is Ken puts himself on the road to being like Strega, or like Akechi from P5 (probably intentional when they were writing Akechi). Literally the whole point of Ken's character development after Shinjiro's death (which the localization fucked up because fuck AtlusUSA) is understanding this and realizing he has to live on for his mother instead of throwing his own life away by taking some hollow revenge and then committing suicide afterward.

nice aspect you fucking dumbshit

Not OP but Ken was a dogshit character, writing aside. His actual story was fucking terrible. As far as I'm concerned he was just a vehicle for Akihiko's character development because he got Shinjiro killed.

>So? I can think of many scenarios where I could live guilt free from taking the life of someone who killed my mother.
That just makes you sociopathic, but more importantly, you’re talking completely out of your ass and are just a teenager who has never been in a been in a life-or-death scenario, nor do you have the maturity to truly put yourself in the shoes of having to actually, legitimately kill someone.

>STUPID FAGGOT LITTLE COCKSUCKER
What did Yukari mean by this?

>As far as I'm concerned he was just a vehicle for Akihiko's character development
This is 100% the case and it's why nobody gives a shit about Ken outside of FeMC /ss/ fags.

>Ken story was shit

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She doesn’t know that I’M A MAN WITH BALLS AND I DESERVE RESPECT.

Just don't use your persona bro.

The story explicitly states he lost control and killed her. Not that he used cleave on a shadow and just missed.

>I can't sit down and think of a scenario where I could take a life

>He literally plans for months on how to kill Shinjiro but it's okay when he kills because ???
Revenge? The guy who murdered your mom is walking around scot-free, if you don't have the impulse to strangle the life out of him either there has to be something wrong with you or you're not putting yourself in Ken's shoes.

-ng, compared to most games.

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Imagine being this retarded

>scot-free
Shinji started killing himself so that it would never happen again.

why does she have 6 limbs?

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>just choose not to use your persona when you can't control it
user, I think you may be legitimately retarded.

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>OP getting btfo by literally half a dozen separate anons
Beautiful.
P3 is my favorite Persona game overall and I'm an apologist for literally every character in the game except for Ken, shit's just full retarded.
>MY MOOOOOM AAAAAAARGH
>MY FUCKING MOOOM IS DEEEEEADD UUURRRGHHH
>akihiko tells him to calm to the fuck down
>oh yeah, true, shit happens i guess lol
Garbage character. Impossible to suspect the disbelief that a literal kid would be fighting demons in his spare time, and his actual motive/backstory is so unsatisfying. The fuck does his dead mom have to do with risking his life fighting demons? Oh, right, he's 2edgy4u and totally just wants to die because life is meaningless now that Shinjiro is dead and he can't get revenge on him >:(

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*suspend disbelief, not suspect disbelief

i just told captcha that a school bus was a taxi and it believed me, self driving cars are gonna get some fucking kids killed

Good on him for self imposing punishment but It wouldn't be enough for me and I sympathize with Ken.

Yeah bro, why use your persona when you could lose control just like why drink that beer when it could lead to another and 15 more and blacking out.

3 desperately needs a remake so they can redo the entire localization from scratch, so many arguments here are based on shit that was never actually in the original Japanese script.

>sociopath sympathized with another sociopath
No shit. At least Ken had the self-realizing to understand how fucked up he was after Shinjiro died.

Revenge is not okay and never justifies anything, PLEASE stop being 13.
Justice is completely separate from revenge.

>comparing an otherworldly demonic possession to beer
Millions of people successfully drink without getting in a car shitfaced and driving it. I think we can safely conclude that this series of decisions is a lot easier to control than controlling a supernatural manifestation of your own psyche.

I wish this shit would happen. The game also looks pretty ugly nowadays (the aesthetics are still great but the models are terrible).

>I can't sit down and think of a scenario where I could take a life
How about war, where soldiers kill each other.
And I bet the police will be on your ass if you kill a person for drunk driving and give the excuse "he killed my mom, so I must kill him" even though he admitted it and you could just send him to the police. You will spend a few years in prison and have a felony, but I bet it's worth it because you "took revenge".

pedoweebs will defend their waifu.

So the original script is boring as fuck?

>Akechi from P5
>wants to take revenge on Shido
>kills innocents so that he can get close to Shido and say I'm your son and I control you
That guy is so much of an asshole

Shinjiro and Akihiko are so fucking well written. Ken could have been the third member of this trifecta of good character development, but they had to go and make him a literal child for no reason. Why couldn't it have been an older guy whose wife was killed or something? Why did they pick a fucking kid? It's not like they needed to pick out someone who was irresponsible and ignorant since Shinjiro/Akihiko exist to teach them a lesson in revenge and shit because ANYBODY at ANY age could be convincingly written to be vengeful.

It pisses me off, it's one of the most glaring flaws of the game's cast and it mars the best subplot in the game.

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Can you guys really not relate to revenge stories?

Ah yes turn the other cheek how philosophical

>You will spend a few years in prison and have a felony, but I bet it's worth it because you "took revenge".
I'm speaking in a scenario where both parties get away punishment free except for their conscious weighing on them.

Comparing drinking beer to shooting yourself in the head to release a demon is retarded and a waste of time so I think I'll dip here. Sorry for the poor analogy.

After reading through this thread, I legitimately believe that OP might be retarded and/or a sociopath.

How is putting yourself in the shoes of a character sociopathic behavior?

>Kid losses the only family he has
>finds person that robbed him of a good life and want revenge
>cant even have his revenge because the person that he was looking wasnt some evil person, but another kid that couldn't control his powers.
>Kid wanted to kill himself because he felt like he came had nothing life
>decides to carry own because the person that killed his mom, sacrifice himself to keep him safe, so he see living as a way to pay tribute to him.
I know Persona 3 isnt deep, but if that was too hard for you to follow, I suggest that you kill yourself.

You're underselling Akechi's character. He doesn't just kill people to get close to Shido, he's completely twisted beyond that. He straight up says that he awoke to his powers when his life was at its absolute lowest, so it immediately fed into a god delusion that he could use as leverage to fix his life which he felt was unfairly ruined from the outset.

He creates crimes and solves them for validation and recognition, and maintains a perfect public image so the masses accept him. It just so happens that his goals coincide with Shido's. Once he gains the appeal and love of the masses, he'll finally turn on Shido because he doesn't need him anymore.

Don't you think he'd just kill him immediately if that's ALL he wanted to do? First and foremost, he wanted to bring fame and respect to his name. Only then would he be ready to eliminate the man who set his life up for failure (despite that man also being the reason he could get his life back on track in the first place).

>he had nothing to life for*
Too tired for this shit.

*ting ting ting*
every persona game has mediocre writing even at its absolute best moments

>a 13 year old wilding a fucking polearm running around the backstreets of Not-Tokyo, Japan so that he can murder a near-grown man in cold blood
Yeah, nah. Give the kid a gun or some shit for fuck's sake, and kick him out of SEES because it makes no sense for a literal kid to fight the powers of Death incarnate even if you consider that it's an anime video game.

Ken shouldn't have been a party member, if he just learned his lesson after Shinjiro sacrificed himself and Akihiko told him he was being a stupid kid, then he would have been fine. The character isn't terrible in theory, he's just a little one dimensional and is very poorly executed. Everything from his age to his behavior is completely unrealistic.

>wilding
fuck, *wielding
also i think it was a spear, not a polearm, but i can't be sure cuz that little shit never touched my party.

>Can you guys really not relate to revenge stories?
I can relate to revenge stories if the subject in question is an actual villain who at best is apathetic toward and at worst gleeful that he's taken lives. Those types of people need to be removed from society for the benefit of society, as they're liable to cause further harm. But someone like Shinjiro, who killed entirely by accident and the incident fucked him up to the point where he swore off fighting shadows ever again because he couldn't trust himself? Remove the supernatural fantasy aspect and it's similar to a soldier who was aiming for terrorists, accidentally killed an innocent civilian via a ricocheting bullet, and the incident caused him to immediately leave the army and he's been suffering from PTSD since then. What exactly is the point in getting your "revenge" on someone like him? It benefits nobody and only causes you to become a sociopath who justifies murder if it personally benefits you.

>Ah yes turn the other cheek how philosophical
This shit is why I know you're 13. You can read, right? You can read the part where I advocated for justice, right? You see no nuance in the issue which makes it impossible for anyone to take you seriously, and results in you being unable to actually exert any intelligence on the dilemma. You are only capable of seeing this as a binary black-and-white dilemma, where unless Ken(/you) exacts revenge, then evil is running rampant or something. That's not how the world works kid. What the fuck would Ken accomplish by killing Shinjiro, for real? The lack of answer to that question is exactly why revenge-driven motivation is understood by EVERYONE to be immature and infantilising.

Revenge is digging two graves

This. At the end of the day, Shinjiro isn’t some maniacal supervillain. He’s just a guy who made a mistake but wants to atone for it. And even then, Ken’s revenge becomes incredibly hollow when Shinjiro actually sacrifices himself to save the very kid that wanted to kill him.

I mean even when Ken joins the team the entire rest of the party is like "he's just a little kid what the fuck" and Ikutsuki justifies it as "but he has the potential!" and also Ikutsuki is secretly a heartless bastard who doesn't give a fuck and thinks unsealing Death will make him a god. By the time Ikutsuki gets axed, Ken's already been with the team for over a couple months, and they don't even learn about Nyx for a month after that, so there's no point kicking him out.

Shinji is only 4 years older than Ken, so the age gap isnt big. Also they already have a fucking dog in the party, so having a spear toting kid isnt that far fetched. Also also, the had no idea about death until way past Shinji's death. Also also also, they explained early on when Ken was in introduced that he was a protege child, which was fueled by revenge, so him having the fortitude to master the spear for maximum revenge and track down the person that killed his mother made sense.

>Ken is a bad character because [INSERT REDUCTIONIST ARGUMENT HERE]
You're no better than the people who hate Yukari and say she's a bad character just because "she's a bitch." Ken is one of the many characters in Persona 3 who are suffering because of a loss in their life. Yukari lost her mom and pushes others away as a self defense mechanism. Mitsuru lost her childhood and denies her own happiness for the sake of other people's happiness. And then there's Shinjiro who punishes himself because of his immense guilt towards killing Ken's mom.
Ken lost someone close to him as well, his own mother. Being young and not knowing how to react, he spent years trying to find an answer, letting his suffering fester into rage. Shinjiro knows fully well what Ken is feeling because he's been feeling it for years. Shinjiro denies wanting to join S.E.E.S., but immediately changes his mind as soon as he hears Ken joined. Shinjiro knows what Ken is doing. Ken spends most of the game proclaiming how he isn't a kid anymore. He says he drinks coffee, he wields a large lance, and he has the largest persona as compensation for his small size. There's even a side quest where he's embarrassed to ask for a Featherman action figure but says he secretly likes them despite how they're for kids.
Shinjiro's pain was so immense that he took a bullet and died for Ken to realize that he was denying his own childhood, throwing it away for the sake of petty revenge and empty satisfaction.
But noooooooo. Ken is a bad character because he's "unrealistic." A kid could never think like this! There's no way he could wield a lance that big! It's not like he specifically has a plot reason why he does that! Way to fucking miss the point of his entire character.

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So you can only relate if the villain is some evil caricature. I think your soldier analogy misses the point a bit. Yeah It's an accident in the sense that you're aiming for the terrorists but you miss by a hairs width and kill a civi but it's another where you play with a power and lose control of it. So would something like a schizophrenic with a gun in the military having an episode be a better analogy?

You can read the part where I advocated for justice, right?
Where's the justice in Ken's story though? If he never confronted Shinjiro, Shin would've died offscreen to drugs. Is that justice?
>What the fuck would Ken accomplish by killing Shinjiro, for real?
Probably the self satisfaction of killing the person who killed his mother. Yeah he'll find empty afterwards but now he can put it all behind him and start fresh instead of watching the dude walk around tokyo.

Not him, but, it really never fucking works. I resigned myself to playing with box aspect ratio

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>3 desperately needs a remake
p3 had three versions in a four-year span. this shitty game has also been milked harder with spinoffs, mobile trash, anime, stageplays, drama cds, etc. than any other game in the series. the only thing it "desperately needs" is to be forgotten.
1 and 2 actually need remakes.

>nor do you have the maturity to truly put yourself in the shoes of having to actually, legitimately kill someone.
it upsets me how common this is

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I'm fairly certain Ken was going to kill himself after killing Shinji.

>So you can only relate if the villain is some evil caricature
People like those "evil caricatures" exist in real life. Not just serial killers who murder for fun, but simply people who have a callous disregard for other life and just see other people as numbers on paper as long as they in some way benefit from it. The point is that Shinjiro isn't even someone who's apathetic to the death of Ken's mom, he's devastated and utterly broken over it.

>Where's the justice in Ken's story though? If he never confronted Shinjiro, Shin would've died offscreen to drugs. Is that justice?
The truth is there is no justice no matter what happens, because it was a simple accident. Killing Strega is justice. Killing Ikutsuki is justice. Those are people who acted either with direct malice or with callous apathy toward the loss of life around them. Killing Shinjiro is childish fantasy herocomplex wankery.

>Probably the self satisfaction of killing the person who killed his mother. Yeah he'll find empty afterwards but now he can put it all behind him and start fresh instead of watching the dude walk around tokyo.
What self-satisfaction? He was going to fucking kill himself after killing Shinjiro because he wouldn't be able to live with himself. Do you have no fucking idea of how killing would affect people, especially a little kid like Ken?

>I'm speaking in a scenario where both parties get away punishment free except for their conscious weighing on them.
Do you think his family would understand you killed him because he killed your mom accidently?

Yes, it's justice because the guilty party repents and is being punished. The point of justice as opposed to revenge is that the punishment is carried out regardless of the person exacting the punishment. It matters not that Shinjiro is carrying out his own punishment, it only matters that he is being punished. And, of course, sincerely repenting.
>robably the self satisfaction of killing the person who killed his mother. Yeah he'll find empty afterwards but now he can put it all behind him and start fresh instead of watching the dude walk around tokyo.
No, you don't understand what effects taking another's life has on a person. He won't start fresh, his hands will be stained and his mind will obsess over the fact. Especially because Ken is just a child, which as an age group are way more susceptible to trauma. He'll grow up learning to understand the world and other people better and it will just sink in more and more the gravity of having ended someone's life. It won't bring his mother back, it won't solve the issues that caused Shinjiro to have an persona he couldn't control, it won't accomplish anything. It will only haunt him.

This happens all the time on Yea Forums. I legit think that the majority don't even notice that something is wrong, and it's just fucking crazy.

>People on a gook image board understanding how actual human minds work after dealing with traumatic circumstances
Unironically, there's no point in trying to reason with these people. This is why the characters in every proceeding game quite truthfully suck you off with little to no effort to befriend them.

n-nah bro they would just be justified in killing ken in return :^)
t. OP

You get it, you really do. I don't dislike Ken's story, but I do fucking hate Ken because he robbed me of Shinji. I personally find the writing amazing because of how much it tears into you.

?
Takaya killed Shinji

Shinji was dying. He was at least able to die on his terms.

Yeah yeah, I'm saying if Ken wasn't such a punk then Shinji would have gotten killed. Storywise its great, but I really wanted to play with Shinji. The only reason I played PQ was to have him on my team.

It wouldn't have happened if Ken didn't try to kill Shinji

Ayylmao

OP forgets that revenge can also be performed by evil people.
Justice is punishment of the guilty, revenge is retailation for any slight on you.

>he point is that Shinjiro isn't even someone who's apathetic to the death of Ken's mom, he's devastated and utterly broken over it.
And my point is that isn't enough. Are you saying that revenge would be okay in that scenario if Shinji was carefree about the whole situation? But since he's sad about it that it writes off what he did?

I don't really understand why he wanted to kill himself afterwards. Revenge in of itself is for the ego so what's the point if you're going to dip afterwards.

Revenge is self serving is it not? If they felt that the revenge was an injustice and felt the need to right the wrong that's their decision.

I love Yukari!~

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>And my point is that isn't enough
And you're wrong because you're a sheltered child.

>Are you saying that revenge would be okay in that scenario if Shinji was carefree about the whole situation?
Yes, because it indicates that he clearly doesn't give a shit about someone else dying, which means he's a potential liability for other people dying later on.

You sound like you're trying to understand feelings. Get the fuck off this board and live life

Most people learn this by their adult years that killing others will have an effect on you, whether or not they're evil

Yeah you're not making an ysense.

It wouldn't have happened if Shinji tried talking to Ken before. He had enough time.

>I don't really understand why he wanted to kill himself afterwards. Revenge in of itself is for the ego so what's the point if you're going to dip afterwards.
>I don't understand PTSD

>Yes, because it indicates that he clearly doesn't give a shit about someone else dying, which means he's a potential liability for other people dying later on.
So you're saying when he rejoined the team it's okay to kill him because he's now a potential liability again. What happens if he loses control again and kills another mother?

So not only are you incapable of understanding actual human feelings, you're incapable of understanding English. Awesome.

I don't think Ken thought about PTSD in that situation though. I don't think you plan a murder and also think about the state of your consciousness after the fact.

>it was literally mentioned in the thread that he took pills to control his persona that are slowly killing him
>you completely forget that

No.

What the fuck is not to understand? I wanted to use Shinji as a fighter and Shinji died, making me unable to use Shinji as a fighter. Are you retarded too?

Why does him being a kid matter? Akihiko is a kid to, Ken is just a younger kid, he’ll the entire main cast of P3 is composed of fucking children.

For what it's worth, I 100% understand what you're saying. I don't know what user is confused about.
Just saying so you don't start worrying that you're crazy or something.

No it's pretty clear but why blame Ken? Why not the developers who decided on having him die there?

Great talk.

I thought he took those pills just to kill himself. He wasn't like the strega where you need to take them or your persona will kill you, you could just not use it and you'd be fine.

Hell, blame Shinji himself for his death. Hes the one that killed Ken's mom and caused Ken to have a list for revenge.

>I thought he took those pills just to kill himself. He wasn't like the strega where you need to take them or your persona will kill you
>the strega
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA HE JUST PROVED HE'S ARGUING ABOUT A GAME HE'S NEVER PLAYED BEFORE AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA HE LITERALLY HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>I thought he took those pills just to kill himself.
Dood

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>I don't really understand why he wanted to kill himself afterwards. Revenge in of itself is for the ego so what's the point if you're going to dip afterwards.

You don’t understand it because you have not gone through it, it’s a very twisted mindset that only people who are incredibly unstable could perceive. It’s not like it’s never happened though, as there are many people throughout history that have killed their partner then themselves, their children then themselves, shot up an area with people and then killed them selves etc.

Is there a pastebin or something on all the localization fuckups?

Also how hard is it to edit the translation of a PS2 ISO? They swapped in the Japanese dub.

>I haven’t even played the game

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They should just kick him out by that point, though. He's too young to do shit like this, and the party should realize that Ikutsuki letting him was good evidence that he SHOULDN'T be there consider Ikutsuki was an asshole.

Koromaru is dumb as fuck too. Neither of them can relate to the struggles or personalities of the rest of SEES. It just doesn't work.

This entire post is just demonstrating that Shinji is the only reason Ken's character isn't complete shit. All of the good parts of his character are brought about by Shinji being a good character (Aki too).

No. Shinji's 7 years older than ken

lol

so do you think shinji and door are broing out in heaven or what's the deal?

? The strega members were forced into their personas by the kirijo group which is why they're unstable. Even Takaya says out of the 100 children only three(takaya, jin, chidori) are the only ones who remain.

???
ken is literally like 10-11 in p3, shinji is a third year so he's 17-18

literally imagine being a near-adult, about to enter the workforce/college, and going out of your way to associate with a child who wants to murder you because you want to try to teach him a lesson in why you shouldn't kill people. ken being a kid is fucking retarded.

>He’s too young to do shit like this

Boy I sure do hope you trash Evangelion then, as Ken and SEES is literally the exact same dynamic as Shinji and SEELE. You must not understand the point that Ken joining SEES was meant to show how greedy he is, and also how much the rest of the party needed extra manpower to ensure everyone’s safety. When Ken joins, every single party member is like “What the fuck, this isn’t okay” so it’s not like he just joined without friction.

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Is it just me or are Persona 3 threads popping up way too much recently?

And by “how greedy he is”, I meant Ikutsuki.

We aren't talking about unstable personas, user. We were talking about Shinjiro's intentions behind taking those pills and laughing at you because you got it wrong. This is basic information told to the viewer so you're just proving to us that you're just reading off a fandom wiki page and haven't actually played the game.

The remake is coming.

shinji and company are like 14, ken is literally 10

also the fact that shinji is the same age as his teammates helps, ken being 6-7 years apart from literally everyone else on the team just causes this ENORMOUS gap in relatability that makes him feel like he's a non-canon easter egg character. and like you said, the cast is like "Uh he's just a kid, this is fucked up", but ikutsuki lets him on anyway. when it's revealed that ikutsuki is an asshole, you'd THINK the team would drop the kid and say he should just go live a normal child's life, but no, they keep him on inexplicably even though the one guy who said he should help them fight turned out to be a traitor and is fucking dead

pretty sure it's just one guy complaining about the game and p3 autists coming out of the woodwork to shit on him, and maybe waifupost a bit

These things come in waves, P4 was the end-all be-all for a decent time, now 3 has a resurgence.

It helps that after 5, now the series has taken some distance from 3, and that lets it stand out more.

shit on those games all you want, the writing is still 100x better than this weeby fanservice garbage. it may have loads of problems but at least they actually tried.

And I'm saying the pills are unnecessary because he's not like strega in the sense that his persona doesn't just summon and try to kill him like those other 3. I think Jin states explicitly in-game that personas don't do that if you awaken to them naturally and I'm pretty sure Shinji did because it wasn't stated otherwise.

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>Shinjiro lost control of his persona years ago and got a mother killed
>they're just going to take a risk and let him roam free with it

ALSO, regarding eva: it's brought up SEVERAL TIMES that it's immoral to force 14 year olds to save the world, but it's repeatedly asserted that there is no other option. with ken, there is a shitload of other options. you are legit overflowing with party members. you have a fucking robot with finger guns with you, but for some reason, nobody ever consider that maybe the 10 year old kid is a little extraneous and maybe it'd be best to just let him go.

the game lets ken stay with SEES for literally no reason. the team doesn't need him logistically, they don't want him narratively (post ikutsuki death), and realistically he doesn't have the agency as a 10 year old to decide "I'm gonna risk my life fighting demons with 17 year olds!"

ken being a kid is fucking stupid, deal with it

Should we blame the smashtards for this? Fuck Smash for introducing the series to these filthy secondaries

There's a lot of things we can blame Smashfags on, user. Persona's popularity is not one of them. Persona hasn't been niche since 4 and it hasn't even been "not mainstream" since 5.

>they're just going to take a risk and let him roam free with it
why not, this is a game where you seal death with the power of friendship

He literally didn't want to risk what happened last time, so he took them.

nah, p5 outsold the everloving fuck out of p4 and especially p3. it just catapulted the series in the bona fide mainstream

which is fine because it's fun to make fun of newfags who can't into p3 because p5 is so streamlined (not that being streamlined is inherently bad but it exposes shitters who can't follow games that don't hold their hand)

Never entered those threads. Do people really find games to play because of a 3rd party character in Smash?

P3 fags are the most insufferable fandom in the entire universe

>remake

Playstation 5 is still far away but I'll take it. I hope they remodel everything

>But Jin said so!
Strega is composed of a bunch of homeless lab rats who were manipulated by Ikutsuki. They also thought killing all of the full moon shadows would end the Dark Hour but they were wrong
>But personas don't go berserk!
Have you ever played a Persona game, user? Personas are literally just tamed shadows and shadows go berserk all the time. Just look at P4 and how every character's shadow goes crazy when their emotions get out of hand. The same could easily happen with a persona and just because it isn't relevant to a particular Persona game's plot doesn't mean it can't happen.

Smashfags are exactly the kind of person who would see an anime character and try to find out what game they're from. Just look at the Fire Emblem franchise.

Smash shitters can go fuck themselves, Persona will forever be PlayStation exclusive.

>but muh persona 5 musou game

Lmao nintenbabbies

>(Insert fandom that makes me look retarded) is the worst!
Get fucked dude.

I love Fuuka!

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How'd you enjoy Persona Q?

OP BTFO

>Persona will forever be PlayStation exclusive.
not if you can emulate it on PC

>That game doesn't count!

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>graphics look like trash
>basically 345 all stars

Persona Q is not a canon persona game. Fuck that kiddie trash.

Imagine seething this much about a age gap of a few years between one party member and the others

Ken being a kid is why his views on revenge are so warped and simplistic, deal with it. Ken being a kid is exactly why Shinji feels so wrought with guilt, because he stole the childhood of a literal kid and ruined his life, deal with it. Ken being a kid is there to highlight how much of an irreverent greedy bastard Ikutsuki is, deal with it. If you want a story that you can follow without having to think about nuance or depth, go play P5.

What's wrong with this? It's obvious, if you kill a murderer, you'll also become a murderer, just like him.

so in other words persona is not for playstation only, just the mainline games

you could have just said that user

>a few years
it's six to seven fucking years dude, and ikutsuki is old enough to be that lil nigga's dad but he's still like "Eh I trust this kid, he's pretty tough ;)"

you don't need to be a literal 10 year old to be warped and vengeful. teenagers are equally as stupid but have a little bit more agency in their actions. if ken was 14 or 15 it would make so much more fucking sense on every level. just fucking accept it faggot, p3 is NOT infallible.

While the Persona series did peak my interest because of Smash, there was a lot of people who's streams I watch who love the Persona series. That and the memes surrounding Persona 5's battle menus. Smash was more of the tipping point for me being interested in Persona, my biggest challenge for actually playing Persona is getting the money to get the systems the games are on.

>p5 is bad/not nuanced
Opinion instantly discarded.

You could go on and on about the immorality of a 14 year old girl who's never left her house and didn't have a proper childhood risking her life so she can help change the world.

Do you think Igor would be mad if he found out you had sex with Elizabeth?

>This entire post is just demonstrating that Shinji is the only reason Ken's character isn't complete shit.
Every character in the game is bad if they don't have each other to play off of. Everyone is suffering and they keep fighting each other throughout the game despite being in very similar predicaments. But they all pull together in the end and learn that they can overcome hardships and suffering if they share each other's pain. That's the entire game's theme: the bonds you forged will help you succeed even if the people you formed them with are gone. That's why you hear Shinjiro's voice at the final battle with Nyx because even in death, he's still supporting you

Why didnt they just use their personas to revive shinji

I've never seen someone get BTFO this bad lmao.

Imagine seething this much about a number

>just disregard absolutely everything these people say in the game

I don't understand why because I'm under the impression that if he doesn't summon his persona he doesn't run the risk of losing control of it.

You can easily emulate it on PC alright

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Despite the arguing this is the most insightful thread I've ever seen/reaf for a game.

My point is that Ken's shortcomings are abundant (one dimensional, unrealistic, not relatable), and his one redeeming factor is literally just because Shinji/Aki are good characters who teach him a lesson that he refuses to learn on his own. He doesn't grow or develop organically at any point in the story which is a symptom of his age. So not only does making him a kid make him unrealistic, it justifies his complete inability to actually grow and develop on his own like literally every other character in the game does.

Ken is a bad character. P3 is my favorite Persona game but I will die on this fucking hill. For all the great things P3 has going for it, Ken and the stupid dog are not among them.

So you just missed the part where it was coming out completely against his will, even when was just walking about in his day to day life?

P3fags are autistic as fuck so that's no surprise

t.p3fag seething over ken

I must have because I don't remember that at all despite just finishing it a day ago.

>Shitting on Koromaru

Alright you’ve gone too far with your shitty bait. Fuck off

have you fucking read this fucking autist's replies? This retard doesn't understand how to empathise an videogame character. This retard just hates something because a number of people like it

I just forgot about him eventually and cared more about the ending with the protagonist.

Yah hows that p4 golden emulation going fag?

"Bark Bark"

What did he mean by this? How could Atlus let this go by the censors?

No, you disregard what UNRELIABLE people say in the game. Strega are just as clueless about Nyx and the Dark Hour as S.E.E.S. were. I doubt they'd know what real personas are like when they don't have them and only ever hang out with each other

And I love dick.

I’m replaying through it on PSP at the moment so it’s refreshing to see threads crop up

I meant the guys arguing against that retard. Good job guys.

>Emulating P3P instead of FES

Only two of those are me, thank you very much

Ken's backstory and character development are fine. The execution sucks. Him being a kid just makes no sense. His ENTIRE story would work better if he was 13-14. He'd be an angsty teen still seeing red, but him being so aggressive and angry would actually make sense. He would also have the agency to make the decision to stay with SEES, arguably, and he would ALSO be able to interpret Shinji's sacrifice as proof that the world is not black and white and revenge is not the answer (instead, Aki has to spell it out for him because he's fucking 10).

Fuck Ken.

Ditto. I never used him in my party and just tried to forget he was in the game.

Just fine? I don't understand the question.

Both of those games are good unironically, but so is p3

Imagine being this autistic about aspect ratios

Dude, so if Ken was written the exact same way but was aged up 3 or 4 years he’d be fine? What’s wrong with you?

Make him into a baby. That'll fix him.

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>Just fine? I don't understand the question.
Last i checked there were no golden roms nor emulators to run it.

>No, you disregard what UNRELIABLE people say in the game.
So you disregard everyone but Ryoji/Pharos, Igor, and that 10 second recording of that undoctored film of yukari's dad. I don't think the writers would mindlessly put wrong lore information into their game while also letting it go unchallenged.

>grow and develop on his own like literally every other character in the game does
But not one character does that.

>not playing P3P on Vita

Persona games are best played on handheld.

Nigga wut

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You haven’t played the game user stop posting

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... yes? What the fuck do you mean? I've been saying this entire time that his backstory and character development are good, but that the details of his character, namely his age, do not mesh well with the narrative background/growth he was given.

A 10 year old does not have the agency to decide that he wants to fight demons to save the world. A 10 year old doesn't belong on SEES after Ikutsuki dies because he was the only one who wanted him there and the rest of the crew thought it was immoral to keep him around. A 10 year old can't wield a fucking spear four times his size. A 10 year old wouldn't attempt to enact murder against a hardened street thug who is 7 years his senior. A 10 year old can't learn the lessons Ken learns without help, which Aki gives him, and that makes his character far worse than it would be if he was just a few years older and had the critical thinking to interpret Shinji's sacrifice as proof that revenge isn't the answer and the world is not so black and white.

EVERYTHING good about Ken would be improved if he was 13-14. Everything bad about him would be gone if he was 13-14. He would become a good character. If you are actually so retarded that you can't understand the difference between a 10 year old and a 14 year old then I can't fuckin help you.

Plenty do, the fuck? Junpei does, Mitsuru does, Akihiko does. They go through traumatic shit which involves the death of someone close to them, yes, but they grow as people on their own by accepting that death. Ken literally shuts himself away until Akihiko talks to him. He needs his character development spelled out for him by another character, and ONLY THEN does he understand the nuance behind Shinji's character.

Ken is shit.

lmao what a retard

holy SHIT she's stuck in the back room

I played all of P3 FES like this and I did notice it was too wide, but I didn't know how to fix it and it didn't bother me enough to look it up.

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And now you know why people have been wanting P5 on Switch. It can't happen on Vita anymore because Vita is kill so Switch is basically the only option for a portable version of P5.

It's no different from tartarus, she'll find a way

>Switch

Port beggars should be lined up and shot

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>download widescreen patch
>put patch in folder
>enable widescreen patch in pcsx2 and set resolution

AhahahahaH

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Dorm is comfy as fuck

Nobody has ever said Persona has good writing

Dunno if OP is being ironic or not, Shinji was genuinely remorseful about having caused the deaths of Ken's parents (I think thats what it was) so he's genuinely warning him about the weight that killing someone brings with it. Pretty sure he was even willing to grant him his revenge, just not without warning

or i could just play the game and not care

Igor, Ryoji/Pharos, and Yukari's dad never talk about how personas can go out of control in P3. Even outside of P3, in P1, Igor says that you can't equip a Persona that's a higher level than you or else you'll be consumed by it, aka it'll go berserk.

>Yea Forums gushes over P3
>Check it out
>A dog with a persona
>A robot with a persona
>A child teammate
P4 is still the best

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"Don't hurt nobody"

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I like'em all but just P3 a bit more.

P4 is literally the worst one despite having a fun/comfy cast. The plot is glacial and the ending is boring.

Aigis is fine, but the kid and the dog are retarded. P3 is still overall better than P4, provided you play P3P so that you can actually have good gameplay to go with the good story.

this screenshot hurts me. it's not hard to configure pcsx2 lads.

I never said it was likely you dumb fuck. All I was saying is there's a large amount of people who would die for a portable version of Persona 5. The Vita would be great for it too if it wasn't for the fact that the Vita isn't being supported anymore. The Switch is basically the new Vita because sony is too stupid to jump back into the portable market so for now the only place a portable version of persona 5 is even remotely likely (even then the chances are slim to none) is Nintendo Switch.

Literally what is wrong with Koromaru?

I see nothing wrong with it.

Nothing wrong with that quote.

Nintendo are for kids, who gives a shit about them

>P4 is literally the worst one
>The plot is glacial and the ending is boring.
P5 pacing is even worse and Adachi was at least somewhat interesting as a character.

the widescreen hack is on but you're playing squished to 4:3

You have the widescreen patch enabled but you're still playing in 4:3 so everything is crunched.

Then explain DOOM and Bayonetta.

>fags whining about P3 being edgy actually wish it was edgier
imagine my shock

Koromaru is cute and all (sure fucking beats teddie) but he makes no fucking sense. Why the fuck can he harness the power of personas? Why does the team actually want him around, isn't that exploitative and immoral (see also: Ken)? Why can Aigis fucking read his thoughts?

Dumbass dog.

P5's pacing is fine though. It's just a long game. Bad pacing ≠ a dense story. Every chapter adds to the overarching narrative just fine, bad pacing implies that the game stops contributing to the story for certain periods of time but that's not true at all. Just because the main cast are constantly changing their goals over and over again doesn't mean it's paced poorly.

Also, Akechi kicks the shit out of Adachi.

And neither sold well

>Pancake boy with daddy issue kicks the shit out of Adachi

That’s gonna be a yikes from me

>P5's pacing is fine though
The best palace is the first one and most of them are boring
Akechi is a huge faggot too

>P5's pacing is fine though. It's just a long game. Bad pacing ≠ a dense story.
Constantly forcing you to exit and re-enter dungeons to progress and Morgana constantly telling you that you can't do anything at night was a massive time eater.
>Also, Akechi kicks the shit out of Adachi.
pancake lad was a total jobber

>Being this much in denial
If DOOM didn't sell well on Switch, than why is DOOM Eternal coming to Switch? Seems to have sold enough to Bethesda.

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Reminder that you can't Fuck a robot.

You have not played Life is Strange or else you wouldn't be confidently saying that.

i wanted to play this but seeing them shoot themselves in the head every other turn is so fucking edgy i can't take it boys. bad fucking feel cause i've heard great things.

>at least they actually tried
wowser this post is hella bait

>reductionist argument
Discarded.
That isn't related to the pacing of the story, discarded.
>Constantly forcing you to exit and re-enter dungeons to progress
That isn't related to the pacing of the narrative, and also isn't even a gameplay issue? You can still complete every dungeon in the game in three days. One to secure the route, one to clear the dungeon, one to steal the treasure/fight the boss.
>Morgana constantly telling you that you can't do anything at night was a massive time eater.
Also not pacing, but yes, I disliked how you couldn't pull all nighters at the cost of being weaker in the dungeon crawling part of the game. They definitely streamlined the balance of real life vs alternate reality in P5, which sucked.
>akechi bad because he's bad
More reductionist shit, discarded.

>Also, Akechi kicks the shit out of Adachi
No, because Adachi is entertaining.

There is no good Persona game with good writing because it's anime garbage.

P3 DOES have the best aesthetics, however.

The fact that you had to explain that to this kid is hilarious.

Fuck this board. Awful at fighting games, awful at video games, dumb as fuck.

the whole deal about shooting themselves in the head is because facing death is the only way to summon Personas in 3 at least.

Robots are extra cool and cute!

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>not shooting yourself in the head

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It got ported out of homage because Doom was one of the best selling games on SNES era

Of course he's entertaining, p4 as a whole isn't as serious or edgy as p5. Adachi is a good villain for the game he's in. Doesn't mean he's well-developed as a character though, and he isn't.

>P3 DOES have the best aesthetics
Yeah nah, not when Personal 5 exists. Literally one of the most stylish games ever

>black and red
>le zigzags everywhere

no thanks. just my opinion.

The fact that you could cut out palaces and lose nothing means that the pacing is shit
It's filler

>That isn't related to the pacing of the narrative,
It is when the narrative is drip fed to you over 100 hours because there's tons of wasted, unskippable sections inbetween where you can't do anything but wait on the game to allow you to progress.
>Also not pacing,
see above
>More reductionist shit, discarded.
He's a boring villain with a stupid plan and nothing interesting to say or contribute to the plot.

If P3 is getting remastered then I hope they changed the music, the battle song sounds like fucking horse shit

I think they're both pretty poorly written, though. At least Adachi made me go "hah" which Akechi doesn't.

Hello I am the one who made the meme. I didn't ever expect it to last almost 10 years

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Thank you for all the memes you spawned.

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i don't believe you but if you actually are thanks

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don't make me rewatch these movies a third time

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>bad pacing implies that the game stops contributing to the story for certain periods of time but that's not true at all
Yeah, sure this isn't true.
>complete Futaba's dungeon
>she falls asleep
>nothing happens for several weeks
>she wakes up, nothing happens for another week
>next week is Hawaii episode where also nothing fucking happens

Life is strange is hella bad.

So you finally admit it. DOOM has a market on Switch. From what I'm seeing Skyrim also sold well (though the game is kinda overrated) and so are many other games. Keep yourself in denial all you want. It doesn't change the fact that it's a mistake to underestimate the switch.

Persona 3 threads have always been around Yea Forums as long as I can remember. I see more P3 threads than P4 threads before P5 came out. It's just got a dedicated fanbase
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Lmao and I wonder which one you're part of to look this pathetic for attention.

>its gotten to a point where people think P3 is hardcore
>soon the same thing will happen with P4

>tfw if they ever do remake p3 there won't be femc

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Reductionist bullshit. Why is Yea Forums so addicted to reductionist arguments?

Persona 5's visual design is objectively better than 3's. Aesthetically though, I prefer the blue look of 3 more.

The palaces are objectively not filler. Every single palace either unlocks a new party member and/or contributes to the overarching narrative.

No, it is not bad pacing just because you say it is. If it's not related to how the narrative is written, then it is not pacing related. You are complaining about game mechanics which is a separate issue entirely.
>He's a boring villain with a stupid plan and nothing interesting to say or contribute to the plot.
How is his plan stupid? How does he not contribute to the plot when he was literally granted powers by a malevolent god who wanted to instigate a small scale war among humans via the metaverse?

I see what you mean, I guess, but my point was Akechi isn't meant to be funny. The quality of the characters should be measured by how well they mesh with the overall narrative/tone of the game and I think both Adachi and Akechi match the tone of the game they're in well.

user, she falls asleep for weeks if you complete her dungeon early. The game won't progress until you actually reach the day on which the plot is meant to play out. This is not bad pacing, it's how Persona 3 and 4 worked too. You clear the dungeon early, then you get to dick around for a few weeks until the game catches up.

Are you retarded?

>>next week is Hawaii episode where also nothing fucking happens
Again, persona 3/4 had kooky useless fanservice padding. And again, are you retarded?

Persona 3 has decent writing, great for a video game. 4 is even better but 5 is utterly terrible. Hashino can't write, main reason why I'm so skeptical of Project Re;Fantasy and optimistic about future Persona games with the same artists and composers but without that fool of a "writer".

Can anybody for the love of god explain why Hashino suddenly, at persona number 5 (his 3rd), decide to practice writing on it? Catherine was equally shallow and insincere, but jerked off by aesthetic and style fags

>implying she wont be added as a new party member just like Kasumi in P5

no problem user it was just a low effort shitpost in response to all the fags playing P3/4/Nocturne in 16:9 on PCSX2 at the time since it was just starting to be able to run them well at the time

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Koromaru is really just the way he is because he's just one big reference. Specifically, he's two. Koromaru is the dog on the Fool card, as well as a reference to Hachiko who is probably one of the most famous dogs in Japan. (IIRC Persona 5 has a statue of him in one of the hubs)

I'm not saying he isn't sort of ridiculous, but I can at least appreciate that they put a little bit of work into him.

>party member
into the trash it goes

>Futaba sleeping for 3 weeks straight is normal
I hated completing a palace early on only to suffer countless group texts that always go like
>Do you think our plan worked?
>I'm so nervous!
>We have to wait and see!

People already think P4 wasn't casualized and streamlined and P5 was, even though P4 removed more features than P5 and added less

>Persona 5's visual design is objectively better than 3's.
How old are you?

>Heh, I called his argument reductionist again. That’ll show him! Now I don’t actually have to argue.

>Also, Akechi kicks the shit out of Adachi.
comedy gold

So it's okay because other games did the same thing? Are you sure I'm the retard here?

>Reductionist bullshit. Why is Yea Forums so addicted to reductionist arguments?
>Persona 5's visual design is objectively better than 3's. Aesthetically though, I prefer the blue look of 3 more.
I'm not denying that Yea Forums is reductionist, but you're literally agreeing with him there. He prefers the blues and soft edges of Persona 3.

>Adachi is a good character now
Wow you don't even care about him before the reveal
Stop comparing him to an actual character like Goro

P5 was a mistake because it brought zoomer retards like this into the fold.

The only good addition was demon negotiation, it added tons of casual crutch mechanics.
>tons of perks for doing social links
>pay to fuse high level personas to steamroll the game
>pay to progress social links
>baton passing buffs
>overpowered stealth that always gives you surprise attacks

>user, she falls asleep for weeks if you complete her dungeon early.
>game punished you for being good
>b-but it's not bad pacing, I swear!

Are you going to sincerely tell me that jumping around hand crafted dungeons, and getting those post-battle cutscenes, and seeing those character-specific all out attack snapshots is not visually pleasing compared to the stilted visual design of P3 and P4? Try harder, contrarian. t. have played this series since 2.

Why would I argue against a non-argument?

Exhibit B: a non-argument.

Considering you said P5 is worse than P3/P4 because its pacing is bad, yes, you are retarded because they all have equally bad pacing by your logic.

I guess "aesthetic" is a little general. Are we just talking about the design of the colors and the menus, or are we also talking about animations, cutscenes, etc.?

See top of my post, I got into the series at 2.

My point was P3 and P4 also punish you for being good, so using this argument against P5 as if it's specific to P5 is retarded and incorrect.

If you lost track, the whole argument here is that P5's pacing is worse than P3/P4. I am arguing against that by pointing out that those games also refuse to progress the story until a certain date is met. It's how the games have worked for a long time. That's not pacing, that's literally just the fundamental design of the game.

>negotiation
>addition
Spotted the tryhard newfag. Negotiation was in the Persona series from the outset. They just dropped it when they made 3.

This literally applies to P4 as well though. Everything it added was just casual crutch mechanics and the only good thing was full party control (which the game is too easy to justify using beyond Pringles King). LITERALLY any complaint you have about P5 objectively also applies to P4, but moreso

Just actually wondering how old you are, given that you're trying to make an argument that something that's obviously a matter of taste is "objective".

>Considering you said P5 is worse than P3/P4 because its pacing is bad
I never said that. I said that P5's pacing is bad, don't put words into my mouth.

>I guess "aesthetic" is a little general. Are we just talking about the design of the colors and the menus, or are we also talking about animations, cutscenes, etc.?
I'm not sure how he defines aesthetic, but aesthetic as a noun usually refers to the underlying principles of the design, and not necessarily the technical aspects.

>bad pacing implies that the game stops contributing to the story for certain periods of time
That's one method of having bad pacing but not the only one. Either way, did you forget about the entire Hawaii 'arc'?

>They just dropped it when they made 3.
There were no persona games before 3.

Would you faggots stop taking this bait?

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Utterly absurd. I know people dislike demon negotiations and want randon persona cards as well. I dont get why the persona fanbase pretends to be such elite gaming hipsters when nupersona is casual.

To be fair I always thought and wanted social links to have a purpose outside of giving your personas buff. The fate systen in desu2 gave you more stuff for finishing them then P3/P4. Also managing your social life is only hard in P3.

It still added it even if P3 removed it user. Its semantics. P3 and P4 did not need to remove negotiations and demo designs idk why they did.

>>pay to fuse high level personas to steamroll the game

which is a Social Link perk that requires SPECIFIC Personas with a specific skill to rank up and it's the rank 10 skill.

And you can only hit rank 10 on the literal last day of the game

>random fun trip is had pacing
>in a persona game
P4 had a BUNCH of these. I think P3 only had one and its where you meet aigis so thats fine. P5 had very few.

>I have played the series since 2
Use some critical thinking, user.

Cool, thanks for jumping into an argument you knew nothing about. The argument was I think P4's plot is glacial but another user said P5's plot was the one that is poorly paced.

Please do not butt into conversations that you hold no stake in, thanks.

Fair enough, then. I do agree with him for sure. I still think he doesn't give P5's aesthetic enough credit though, I think it's quite good despite preferring 3's. I like the jagged, vandal tone it has because it suits the story/characters.

Again, the Hawaii arc was just fanservice. Girls in bikinis and a date with some waifus. It's the same thing as in Persona 3 and 4. The original argument here was that I think P4's plot is glacial but another user said P5's is paced worse than P4's. If you argument is simply that ALL Persona games have poor pacing, then okay, that's cool, but that isn't what we're talking about so please do not attempt to chime in any further.

Fuck, you're right.

I'm not baiting, retard.

Sorry, you're right. That's just semantics. Some people DO think negotiations are a new feature though, they're obvious newfags who got into the series at 3 and think they're hot shit for it.
>P3 and P4 did not need to remove negotiations and demo designs idk why they did.
I assume they felt the fusion aspect was enough to keep the players' persona acquisition up to date with the increasing difficulty of the dungeons/enemies. Maybe they were just trying to streamline the game more though.

P5 just had the Hawaii trip, P4 had the trip to the mountains which served literally no purpose other than having a bunch of wacky slapstick with the girls being incompetent but getting away with it, and the inn scene later which was more of the same shit

>>it's how Persona 3 and 4 worked too
>>Again, persona 3/4 had kooky useless fanservice padding
>it's not bad pacing if other games do it too
Yes user, it is still bad pacing

If you're not baiting than you're a complete moron so I just gave you the benefit of doubt

Guys you can get rank 10 twins by, like, November at the very least.

>This literally applies to P4 as well though
I don't remember being able to blow all of my money on a level 80 persona with endgame skills mid-game and steamroll all the content. Yoshitsune was pretty overpowered but you had to do a bunch of shit to get him.
I was around 50 when I maxed Strength and immediately blew all my money on Sandalphon who carried me through the rest of the game.

>A bear suit with a persona
>a 16 year old transvestite detective with a persona
>a Japanese Idol with a Persona

>And you can only hit rank 10 on the literal last day of the game

I am looking at a guide, the earliest you can get Rank 10 strength is at level 51, which would likely be Sae's or Shido's palace.

Sure if you grind out the levels required. You'd never hit the level required for the rank 9 persona naturally playing unless you grind a lot in your first playthroughs and don't just play through naturally

Again, stop fucking talking to me if you aren't the user who said P4 is better pacing than P5. You are arguing against phantoms right now. I am not saying Hawaii wasn't padding/bad pacing, I am saying that P4's overall plot was slower than P3 or P5.
There is nothing bait-y about my posts, you nigger.

>Sure if you grind out the levels required.
I'm not sure what you mean, I didn't grind but I could make Seth in November anyway. Maybe I just played through Mementos more than most people. I finished my first playthrough in 90 hours, is that slow? Maybe I did grind by accident, I dunno.

>If you argument is simply that ALL Persona games have poor pacing
Persona 1 and 2 do not have bad pacing

>Use some critical thinking, user.
I'm only reading the part of your posts addressed to me because I'm not really interested in anything you have to say.

>You'd never hit the level required for the rank 9 persona naturally playing unless you grind a lot in your first playthroughs
I had already beaten P3 and P4 before so I already knew how to manage my time. I never went out of my way to grind.

>A shadow with a persona
>A girl pretending to be a boy because Japs shit on chicks trying to pull their weight
>The most obvious choice for a persona user
Try again

>I don't remember being able to blow all of my money on a level 80 persona with endgame skills mid-game and steamroll all the content.
Yeah I remember when I didn't want to bother fusing Black Frost too.
level 51 is around the end of shido's palace yeah. I suppose you could get it by then but then you have literally 1 boss fight and then the final stretch of the game. Literally all three of the nu-Persona games are trivialized by that point regardless
I had all social links maxed in my first playthrough and I couldn't fuse Seth until the end of Shido's dungeon. At which point shit's easy anyway because you already have Debilitate.

The only reason any of my posts are addressed to you in the first place is because you jumped into a conversation that you held no stake in just to chime in for no reason. Don't do that if you don't want to be roped into bullshit arguments you don't care about like this one.

Fair enough, they are light on the fanservice/plot padding. I like the fanservice though.

My bad, you're so dense that I just assumed it's all an act

only a matter of time until ryanposting

Shinji's dead was done well.
But they failed to make Ken a likeable character, both before and after the fact.

>I had all social links maxed in my first playthrough
How the fuck. I maxed 3/4ths of them and all my stats and I thought that was good time management.
>still not saying what's actually wrong with my posts
Great job.

>just to chime in for no reason
I was just wondering how old you were. I see people make that mistake a lot and I used to do it too, that's all.

>I couldn't fuse Seth until the end of Shido's dungeon
I had a ton of money hoarded so I fused up to him, it wasn't difficult.

No? In the last day the twins fuse and locks you out of the link I belive?

Regardless its a bonus for finishing a slink that you cant do early on so its not that bad.

>all those girls cant good Xd jokes in P4
Why atlus why? I think if I remeber all games, P5 has alot less of those silly anime moments.
>chie and yukiko push MC and your bro off the mountain for saying they look good in bikinis
>Ann gives 0 fucks and so does futaba when the boys are checking them out on beach day

Its not hard if You get lucky or just know you can't progress some slinks after story reasons or that best girl allows you to do another action. I told my friend this in his first P5 run and other then like haru and maybe 1 or 2 more slinks he got it all maxed out with maxed stats.

now am trying to get him into SMT as a whole

I did every dungeon in the minimum amount of days besides the space dungeon, including Mementos stuff. I took a compatible Persona with me anytime I spent time on a social link too. Beyond that I didn't waste time on anything except raising stats and social links.

Dude, stop trying so had to defend P5. At least make a few strong and viable points instead of fighting everyone over some irrelevant details.

This is OBJECTIVE about Persona 5:

1. The cast has the worst chemistry out of all 3 Hashino Persona games.

In 3, the cast was a bunch of orphans united by a manipulator to complete a secret mission. Characters were all defined by their loss of loved ones in their youth. They weren't friends, they were colleagues who learned how to tolerate one another but their differences often lead them to fight and argue. It was a compelling group only let down by the lacking quantity of those interactions.

In 4, some of the cast were already friends before the game begins and we get to see how that friendship works and how Chie and Yukiko feel about each other. Every party member goes through a coming of age story of their own in their respective dungeons, as well as a continuation of that in their SLs. The theme of the game is perfectly woven through each and every character and P4 is probably the finest example of character writing in JRPGs.

In 5, the cast is united by.... plot. That's about it. They find themselves by chance and they all share a history of abuse which never seems to impact their life all that much. Persona 5 doesn't really know whether its theme should be power abuse and its consequences, or Persona 4.5 Edition. It never manages to make any of the internal conflict between part members compelling in any way either. The best developed character in the game is Futaba and, sadly, it's only because her dungeon scenario is straight up lifted from Persona 4. It's again, just a story about facing your own demons and accepting them.

>repeatedly saying "lol you're a kid, faggo"
The sign of someone who has nothing more to gain by replying but does it anyway. Just drop it user, goddamn.

you can tell how bad an argument is going by seeing how many people the person is replying to

PART 2:

2. The villains are weak as fuck.

I don't think this needs much explaining. Pretty much everything about the villains is cartoonish, shallow and insincere. The worst part about all of it is that, unlike Persona 4, we don't actually see any sort of character development in those villains after we defeat them. They just... go silent and repent for their crimes. It's unrealistic, idealistic and plainly anticlimactic.

3. Filler dialogue.

Instead of having conflict between party members or have side stories to show off their personalities better, Hashino decided that ALL they should talk about in their free time is plot mumbo jumbo about how to get their next villain. It's simply not a good narrative and almost never manages to be interesting.

t. FemMC

No Persona 4 villain undergoes any development though.

I'm not trying to gain something for myself, I'm just trying to let you know that you sound like a kid when you try to appeal to some imaginary "objective" aesthetic value.

Literally how does that even happen? The widescreen hack is literally built into the emulator, you have to intentionally fuck it up somehow.

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The villains are shadow selves or party members. Please think before posting

So you don't even know what a villain is and you think your argument holds any weight?

*of

The widescreen patch only works on the US and EU versions of the game. Same goes for the full party control mod etc.

>So you don't even know what a villain is

How the fuck are shadow selves not villains? Actually, don't even bother responding, you're too dumb for this conversation

There's only Namatame, Adachi, and Izanami for villains.
Namatame decides to repent and tell everyone what happened and why he did it, Adachi decides to surrender to the police after being spared by the group, and Izanami is a god.

Speaking of Raidou and widescreen patches. Ironically the widescreen patch really messed up the game when I emulated it. I had to turn it off and restart the emulator for it to work right.

>This is OBJECTIVE about Persona 5:
Wow, I can't wait to not give a shit about your opinions.

>In 5, the cast is united by.... plot.
The cast is united by all having comparably miserable upbringings/lives, being oppressed or damaged by systems that are out of their control, and awakening to a supernatural power that harnesses their respective rebellious spirits and manifesting it as their personal vision of what a rebel looks like.

This is literally explained in the game like 40 times. I can't believe you're already THIS wrong.

>They find themselves by chance
This is also explained. They are drawn to Joker. That's explicitly pointed out by Igor as his power, and Morgana repeatedly refers to how Joker seems to attract Persona users, to which you can respond "I'm just lucky I guess".

>Persona 5 doesn't really know whether its theme should be power abuse and its consequences
It's literally about that, resolutely so.

>It never manages to make any of the internal conflict between part members compelling in any way either.
Ryuji literally bullies Morgana into leaving the party and risking his life to do shit by himself.

>In 4, some of the cast were already friends before the game begins and we get to see how that friendship works and how Chie and Yukiko feel about each other. Every party member goes through a coming of age story of their own in their respective dungeons, as well as a continuation of that in their SLs. The theme of the game is perfectly woven through each and every character and P4 is probably the finest example of character writing in JRPGs.

Only Chie and Yukiko are friends before the game starts though? I would not really call those two and Hanamora friends before (Yu) shows up. P5 team is united by something other then plot. Being abused by those in higher authority. All the boss fights on with authority culminating into Yaldabaoth as the final boss.

>The villains are shadow selves or party members.

those are villains?

The only villains of Persona 4 are Adachi, Natame, and Iznami

Since this is the designated P3 thread, how the fuck do I beat Change Relic? Furthermore, what are some Personas resistant to wind?

What is the best persona game and why is it persona 1?

>ad hominem

And I guess we’re done here. I win.

>yes
>no
>no
with som dialogue options being:
>yes
>yes
And I thought Fallout 4's dialogue system was trash

>Ryuji literally bullies Morgana into leaving the party and risking his life to do shit by himself.
>Morgana shits on Ryuji before that and nothing happens
CAN'T HANDLE THE BANTER YOU FUCKING CAT

Doesn't Strength confidant let you fuse higher than your level anyway? I remember it going up slowly like 1 level per rank or something until you max it and can fuse any amount of levels above yourself by paying

>Pretty much everything about the villains is cartoonish, shallow and insincere.
There is nothing cartoonish or shallow about Akechi. inb4 you reduce his character to "hurr xd he hab daddy issues".

Shido I will give you, but he still has better motives than Adachi. A lust for political power is more convincing than "lol idk i felt like killing people cuz i was bored and my life sucks".

>The worst part about all of it is that, unlike Persona 4, we don't actually see any sort of character development in those villains after we defeat them. They just... go silent and repent for their crimes.
That's the point, they aren't redeemable. In Persona 4 you fight the shadows of good people who are experiencing twisted thoughts. In Persona 5 you deliberately target literal criminals. They aren't good people who are undergoing mental trauma, they're just terrible humans. The "villains" in P4 aren't actually villains, they're mostly teenagers that you're trying to save.

>Instead of having conflict between party members or have side stories to show off their personalities better
These things all happen. There's plenty of conflict within the party, and the cast frequently experiences thoughts of failure. I think the game tries to make you think your party is fucked, like, FOUR times. It repeatedly bashes the fears and insecurities of the main cast into your head. They constantly bicker, and they constantly wonder if they're doing the right thing, and they constantly wonder if they're strong enough to keep fighting. Right up until the end when you talk to them individually in the velvet room, their personalities and insecurities shine through. You are full of shit. Like any P5 detractor, you either did not pay attention to the game or you are being reductionist so you can attempt to convey an argument despite everything you believe boiling down to "good thing bad!"

Three people are calling you a dumbass and yet we're all the stupid ones. Alright nigga.

>What is the best persona game
devil survivor 2

Whenever you apply any patch/cheat, you have to save in-game (NOT VIA A SAVE STATE), restart the emulator and load the in-game save.

Otherwise no shit things can go haywire because your save state has a memory print of its own.

Akechi is a fucking nigger with daddy issues and he deserved to get the axe for being a faggot

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Also the P4 cast members are unbearable most of them. Naoto and Kenji are the only ones I did't find to bad and actually liked. Rise was not to bad if I remembered will. They all acted to tropy with the "oh I can not cook" "do not look at me silly boys!" Am not saying P5 cast is some example and golden standard of character writting, but it did not have those dumb moments. Making ever P5 cast member fun and enjoyable.

This shit was silly.

Get Alp from shuffle time

Not him but that Morgana and Ryuji shit was not compelling in the slightest and was one of the shittiest parts about the game.

I know you're memeing, but that's why Morgana/Ryuji have a good character interaction. They are coming from different places emotionally and mentally; Ryuji constantly takes verbal beatings but never questions his worth because he's numb to people treating him poorly. Morgana, however, is enormously insecure and has a god complex for most of the game so he flips shit the instant people act like he's not so important. His growth from being an egomaniac who uses the Phantom Thieves as a method to get his memory back to an honest to god companion to their cause is literally spelled out throughout the game, it's good development.

The actual messages behind P3 are wholesome as fuck, moreso than P4 which is all about accepting your flaws (and not trying to change them which is bullshit).
Past the obvious themes of death and moving on it's the story of a traumatized kid who had nothing to live for finding a bunch of dumb friends who, over time, gave him purpose in life. Once he starts to truly value his life, however, he's forced to sacrifice that life to protect the people he loves. It's about finding the joy in life as much as it is death and acceptance.

Conversation choices hardly matter at all. A lot of the time the choices you pick lead into NPC saying the exact same thing as another choice but for some reason it rewards you for picking the "correct" option.

I have Alp. I still die in one hit.

P5 fucked up because some villains and goals were really impersonal
>We have to defeat Madarame because he treats his students poorly
>We have to defeat the crime boss because he's a crime boss
>We have to defeat the CEO because he's a dick to his employees
Then they tried making you care by inserting a new character that you don't really know into the mess
They weren't a direct threat to you and you had no real reason to pursue them in the first place
There wasn't really an overarching goal besides "let's do the right thing, you guys!" for the most part

I don't agree at all, see Why did you feel it wasn't compelling? Morgana's self esteem issues shine through his early game dialogue as he treats everyone but Joker like a complete dipshit because he knows about the Metaverse and they don't. Once everyone else starts to catch up, he starts to feel useless because that's all the leverage he seemed to have, so he chews everyone out for not being as "serious" as he is about their cause, and then bails.

It's a complete temper tantrum but that's important for his growth. If he just quietly accepted that he isn't as important as he thinks he is, then it wouldn't be a convincing character arc.

>Morganas growth
>Get to the very end of the game, seconds before defeating the main antagonist
>"You know what? I'm all in now"
Fuck Morgana

>P4 is probably the finest example of character writing in JRPGs.
Bro...

I wish nuPersona had the gameplay of DeSu... It's just so much more interesting.

Nobody calls out Morgana on abusing Ryuji, but the moment Ryuji shits on Morgana once, everyone goes poor Morgana when he runs off.
Just because you know everything doesn't give you the right to shit on anyone.

>be a child
>class pet dies
>Everyone blames you
>Teacher knows you didn't do it but blames you anyway and slaps you in front of the entire class
>Go to middle school
>Save a girl from being bullied
>Bullies go after you instead
>Girl you saved had the oppertunity to stick up for you
>Abandons you instead
>love your dad
>Because of the prior things you start to think he hates you and is ashamed of you
>Family members tell you you're being a burdan on him
>try to put distance between yourself and your dad because of this even more
>dad is in turmol over this and tries to get through to you
>ends up saying the one thing that everyone else whose been mentally abusing you has been saying
>last thread of sanity snapped
>now trapped in a theater where you watch depressing movies as you lose more and more memories

Hikari had a hard life, i'm glad they saved her by the end and she wasn't dead all along like

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>P4 is probably the finest example of character writing in JRPGs.

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Something about Ken Amada really appeals to me.

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>>We have to defeat the crime boss because he's a crime boss
You do this to gain notoriety in an attempt to spread your name. At this point the party is erroneously treating their job as "be vigilante gods and be famous", which is a flaw that persists throughout the entire party. It's an important development in the story when the party realizes that chasing fame was the mistake that led to their initial downfall.

>Then they tried making you care by inserting a new character that you don't really know into the mess
You could literally apply this argument to almost every single boss in Persona 4 though. You're just saving a new party member that you barely know.

>There wasn't really an overarching goal besides "let's do the right thing, you guys!" for the most part
That's literally the point of the game. The main cast are unified in their rebellious spirits to fight against society's shitty people that nobody can stop but them.

???
Morgana is all in well before that. He tells you he wants to be with the Phantom Thieves forever, like, 60 hours in.

Again, that's the point. Ryuji isn't like Morgana. Ryuji is tougher. He's used to people shitting on him. His personality and mental fortitude is distinctly stronger than Morgana's and the game conveys that by letting him engage in so much banter. Everyone shits on him but he takes potshots all the time. That's just his character.

>-ng

>moreso than P4 which is all about accepting your flaws (and not trying to change them which is bullshit).

You’re an absolute brainlet. The only way you can work on improving yourself is if you accept that you have problems in the first place, dipshit. If you don’t accept the fact that you’re flawed, you won’t be inclined to fix them. That’s why the dungeon segments are about accepting flaws, and the social links are about each party member addressing them and improving them.

I’m flabbergasted that you didn’t pick up on this. The only reasonable explanation I can think of is that you didn’t actually play the game.

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Are you that retarded that's been mass replying this entire thread?
Did you write P5 or some shit that you're being this way?

To add onto my other post, the party freaks out because Morgana might be in danger. This isn't a double standard because the entire cast freaks the fuck out when Ryuji appears to die at the end of Shido's dungeon.

Ryuji is cared about just as much as Morgana. He just has a different interaction with the rest of the cast because he takes banter well since he's kind of a tough guy with not many friends and a shitty upbringing. You know, a distinct character trait that only he has which is repeatedly expressed through the character actions in the main plot.

Yes I am, sorry.

I really like Persona 5 and I think Yea Forums contrarians try too hard to shit on it. I also really fucking hate Ken. Please stop replying to my posts so that I can move on with my day, I can't stop.

Is he using a fucking Hi-Powered or some Czechshit?

Akechi is fucking wasted potential.
>disappears after a midboss fight and saving the party because he's too weak-willed to abandon Shido to his fate
You know why Adachi is better? For all of his flawed ideology, he actually does come as a surprise and has a much more satisfying climax.

Are there more Ken dancing webms?

Oh is that why Shinjiro is such a wide boi

I like P5 too but you're arguments are weak and you're only doing so to justify everything shitty that P5 does
You can love something and accept that it's shit in some parts
Maybe come back when you're not underaged

>Again, that's the point. Ryuji isn't like Morgana. Ryuji is tougher. He's used to people shitting on him. His personality and mental fortitude is distinctly stronger than Morgana's and the game conveys that by letting him engage in so much banter. Everyone shits on him but he takes potshots all the time. That's just his character.
this, he's like Yosuke and Junpei, it/s a natural trait for Magicians and just like those two, they do have a breaking point where they're legitimately hurt by their friend's insults and bants, remember when Junpei snapped at Yukari during the conversation right after Ryoji told them they were gonna die no matter what they did since nyx is unstoppable? he got so angry at everyone Akihiko flat out punched him out in the movie when he got in his face about it, then there's Yukari she completely lost her mind in grief, jealousy and sadness after losing Makoto during the answer, and of course even through it's small because ultimax was shit, Ken still felt like his life was meaningless, that he should have died that night instead of shinji, then when Kanji steps in to take an attack meant for him Ken remembers that just because he thinks his life is worthless doesn't mean everyone feels that way about him.

Now that I think on it, not once does ryuji admit he's jealous of joker nor does it ever come up for them, where as yosuke was so jealous of Yu he actively fist fought him by the river to be able to handle it. Friends have to fight at some point

Well. He is very cute, and pretty funny as well. I like him too.

Why would Akechi feel like a satisfying climax a la Adachi? He's literally not the actual villain/boss. He's just a puppet used by the real villain, who himself is ALSO not the actual boss of the game. Akechi is so far down the ladder, expecting him to be climactic is like expecting Okumura to be climactic.

Also
>>disappears after a midboss fight and saving the party because he's too weak-willed to abandon Shido to his fate
This is good tho. He never gave a shit about Shido so when he realizes he's about to take a dirt nap he decides to bail out the Phantom Thieves so they can fuck up Shido instead. It's the only logical decision he could make at that point.

>lol you are young
Do not reply to my posts if you have nothing to say.

All you are saying is that my arguments are bad but you are not saying why. Why waste your time replying?

>Please stop replying to my posts so that I can move on with my day, I can't stop.

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>I really like Persona 5 and I think Yea Forums contrarians try too hard to shit on it.

If anything, you’re the contrarian for adamantly defending a game’s flaws even when people point them out. P5 is a great game, my favorite of the current gen, but it has problems and you are not being receptive to that fact.

OP fucking destroyed

>Please stop replying to my posts so that I can move on with my day, I can't stop.
You're a big dumb poopy pants and your opinions are objectively WRONG

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>Please stop replying to my posts so that I can move on with my day, I can't stop.
yikes

>Please stop replying to my posts so that I can move on with my day, I can't stop.
Congrats this is the most cringeworthy and pathetic post I’ve seen in weeks

he cute

>p5
>favorite of the current gen
oof

>If anything, you’re the contrarian for adamantly defending a game’s flaws even when people point them out.
How am I the contrarian when literally everyone but Yea Forums thinks P5's characters and story is great? I'm actually arguing the popular consensus in this thread right now.

What I am doing is providing counterarguments against assumed flaws that the game has. I am not defending them, because that would imply that I'm just being an apologist, admitting to the flaws but claiming they're okay because I said so.

I am glad you also like the game though. It's really good. I think it has a number of problems but they are largely mechanical imo, I only have a few complaints about the story/characters.

S-stop...

Character development is overrated. I agree that Adachi is a cooler character that any villain in P5 though

No, reply to me again or else you concede that all your arguments are invalid and that youre a big nancy boy

Based

That's not it in this case. I think the issue is that the environment in this game is entirely prerendered. When the widescreen patch is applied the characters get misaligned in the environment which stays the same.
This is normal 4:3 without widescreen patch.

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I'm curious, what makes you like Adachi so much? Is it just the absurdity that they actually made the primary villain of the game an unapologetic asshole with no genuine motive other than boredom and bitterness?

I always thought Adachi was a colorful villain but a woefully underdeveloped one. Him being the baddie was a decent twist and he was a satisfying boss to take down and shit, but I was really hoping he had some kind of motive/reasoning other than "the world sucks bro lol i like hate everyone, fuck it right? lol"

O-okay, I guess I'll have to...

You're (You) addicted scum

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At least goro's reasons aren't just "I'm a butthurt incel" Adachi's actions were bullshit and people who tout his shallow reasons as right are idiots nothing he spouted out was anything more than a flowery way of saying "I deserve a good life, I only failed because of society's bullshit!" I'm disappointed, if an user said that crap they'd be laughed at as all those other derogatory names people call liberals the most favorite of Yea Forums's being discord tranny

>I really like Persona 5 and I think Yea Forums contrarians try too hard to shit on it. I also really fucking hate Ken. Please stop replying to my posts so that I can move on with my day, I can't stop.
wow....so this is the power of zoomers....

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I actually resent all of the replies I've gotten in this thread but I brought it on myself.

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Forgot to say. Note that the NPC on the bicycle in both screenshots is stationary, yet the widescreen patch has changed his position visually speaking.

Good, now do it again you dirty (You) slut

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We stand in solidarity.

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(You) disgust me

I'm not doing this for a (You), I'm doing this one for Hifumi.

It makes me uneasy that half of this thread is people responding to two autists.

It's a Persona bread I guess.

>He never gave a shit about Shido
If he never gave a shit about about Shido then why the fuck did he follow his orders to attack the Phantom Thieves even though they were about to discredit him and get him the revenge he wanted without him lifting a finger? At this point he could have just given him the middle finger and fled to Mementos to hide and get the Phantom Thieves.
You also forget that he chose to work for Shido, and it was thanks to him that Shido was able to make use of the Metaverse. Akechi had better options and was chosen by Yaldabaoth himself as the other pawn in his game. Even if he couldn't have beaten Shido's shadow, which was his fault to begin with, he could have easily abandoned him before the Phantom Thieves got their hands on him.

Not that I've seen.
I like Persona, but not enough to buy the dancing spinoffs, so I don't know if there's any other cute moments with him.

thanks for my daily dose of cringe

I don't know how to say this user, but Society IS bullshit.
> incel
>discord tranny

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>but I was really hoping he had some kind of motive/reasoning other than "the world sucks bro lol i like hate everyone, fuck it right? lol"

He’s pretty simple in terms of motive, sure, but where I think Adachi shines is from a character study viewpoint. He’s fascinating because he’s such a good foil to Yu. He grew up with not a lot of people in his life, didn’t really make friends, and thinks that people who are successful in life are successful due to natural talents they possess, a leg up that they have on the competition if you will. Something that is rare and exemplary, that few others can do or replicate.

This aspect of his character is the entire basis of his villain-hood, as when he gets a Persona, something that’s rare, something that gives him a leg up, something that few others can do, he uses abuses its power and uses it to hurt others for his own gain, due to his bitterness at the world. He’s been bestowed a “unique talent”, and upon getting the thing that he always envied in others, he just uses it for destruction.

Comparing him to Yu, who also gets a Persona, Yu uses it to help others, try to stop people from getting hurt, and sees his bonds with others as a way to get stronger and grow, unlike Adachi who sees them as obstacles or things that would get in his way. This duality is even made super apparent by their Personas, Adachi’s being a corrupted version of Yu’s.

Adachi could’ve been Yu. Yu could’ve been Adachi. They both started at about the same place and took wildly different paths based on their outlooks. Adachi’s development that led him to where he ended up is why he’s fascinating to me.

I like Akechi, but I just don’t think that what they did with him was as cool as how they did Adachi. Nowhere close.

Adachi spouting bullshit is exactly the point. He has the complete wrong way to go about it, based on his own experiences. Instead of trying to do the best he can, he blames society itself, and the moment he got his power, he abuses it.
He's what happens when you blame others instead of working to improve yourself.

You can emulate P5 PS3 version on PC. Or at least try to, its fully working but it depends if your machine is strong enough to run it.

Adachi fits the game much more thematically than the Bond-esque Archetypes in P5. The game is about Psyche and the main villain is fucked up, a normal guy at first glance. See the comparison? Just like the main characters are normal people hiding issues

>If he never gave a shit about about Shido then why the fuck did he follow his orders to attack the Phantom Thieves even though they were about to discredit him and get him the revenge he wanted without him lifting a finger?
Because he wanted to be the one to kill Shido at the height of his power. user, he literally says that when you encounter him. He says he helped Shido so he could gain recognition and fame (because his life sucked and this was his first taste of power), AND so that he could kill Shido himself at the absolute peak of his prominence as the absolute revenge.

If the Phantom Thieves successfully stole Shido's heart, then Akechi would be outed as a fraud who didn't actually end the Thieves AND he wouldn't have been able to enact his ultimate revenge.

>You also forget that he chose to work for Shido, and it was thanks to him that Shido was able to make use of the Metaverse.
Yes, see above. He worked for Shido because Shido gave him shit to do, mysteries to create and then "solve" for fame and glory. Then he realized he wanted to enact revenge on Shido at the peak of his power, and then Akechi would just be the biggest chad in Tokyo having ended the Thieves AND Shido by himself (note that he obsessed with the idea of succeeding independently).

>Even if he couldn't have beaten Shido's shadow, which was his fault to begin with, he could have easily abandoned him before the Phantom Thieves got their hands on him.
See above, that wasn't his goal. Why would he abandon Shido if he literally intended to push him to success, then betray him after he gained that success?

I agree with this much, but Akechi literally has the same characterization. He and Joker are both granted Personas; Akechi selfishly uses it to improve his life at whatever cost, while Joker opts to be a good person and use it to help people with his friends.

>Adachi could’ve been Yu. Yu could’ve been Adachi.

This is expertly put, and I just want to drive home that I firmly believe this is the whole point of Akechi as well. Akechi even believes that, were they to meet a few years earlier, perhaps they could have been friends. Persona 4 and 5 both did the "the villain and the MC are mirror versions of each other" thing, and I think they both did a good job of that. However, I think Akechi slightly edges Adachi out, because Akechi was a legitimately tragic character, being a bastard child with a dead mom.

I agree with this too. Adachi isn't a great villain in a vacuum, imo, but I have to admit that he fits the game's theme well. I guess I just wish he had a bit more of a motive.

you can emulate literally every single persona game in existence for free.

I want to talk about Adachi for a bit.

Of course, nobody in the right mind is going to unironically excuse Adachi for being a shitbag murderer, but I do think he is an interesting character.
Adachi is best portrayed as a foil to Yu. He put his all into his career, sacrificing his adolescence to make something out of himself only to be kicked to the boonies after making, in his eyes, a single mistake. That's what allowed resentment to start festering within him. His whole character centers around him being replaced by others, and that kind words or feelings are only artifice.
Despite that, he eventually found a place for himself in Inaba with Dojima.
Until Yu showed up. Yu was the sparkling everyman, with fortune and friends gravitating toward him (the player character is almighty). Yu even stole away, in his eyes, Adachi's new home that he resettled himself into. Not only that, but the player as Yu continually pushes the motif of friendship and caring that Adachi sees as superficial; patronizing even. All of this coalesces into an inferiority complex twisting into a god complex. Once his frustration and insecurity bubbled over into him committing a crime, convincing him that he truly was special and it was the world that was wrong, he was already on the slippery slope that there was no coming back from.

Ultimately, Adachi is an interesting character because he could have been exactly like Yu with a flip in perspective and outlook. Though you can just look at their personas to understand everything I said in about two seconds.

>Persona will never go back to late 90s Urban Fantasy

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See but that’s the thing, Akechi being a tragic character is why it doesn’t work as well for me. Akechi got handed a shit hand in life, he’s a bastard son, dead mom, abusive father. That’s pretty rough. Adachi on the other hand has literally nobody but himself to blame for his actions. He’s unhappy because he refused to improve himself, and in a game all about facing one’s flaws and coming to terms with them it works so well, because Adachi is the absolute antithesis to that theme.

It's not even just being a bastard, his whole life he went unloved to the point he craves attention, phrase and love,even the person who was suppose to love him hated him enough that she killed herself because of him

There's even the part in the fight where he beserks himself because inside he was wavering on killing the thieves. I really hope they don't undo his death for fujo bucks him dying facing down a duplicate of himself was the best ending he could get, he wasn't even a real wild card, he was just Yabaloth's chosen so even the special thing he had was a fake

The problem is that people compare Akechi and Adachi when they have different roles in their respective games. Adachi is the main human villain, he's the person who murdered the first two victims, and he manipulated Nametame into carrying out the rest of the kidnappings. Akechi does not have that same role. Shido is the main human villain, Akechi is someone being manipulated by both Shido and Yaldy, and therefore it's acceptable for him to have a mildly tragic past to emphasize how he was a tragic kid being manipulated by society. It doesn't excuse his own personal actions, but it does help drive home how much of a piece of shit Shido and Yaldy are.

Most of the complaints regarding Akechi are people trying to compare him to Adachi or even Takaya in terms of story importance when that misses the point.

Never ever

I feel that Akechi and Adachi are comparable simply because they both fill the role of being a fool to the MC. I agree with you that in terms of role in the greater story, they are different, but in that area I really do think Adachi does the better job.

Doesn't Ken grow up into being some kind of highschool allstar soccerchad after p3?
What happened to Koromaru?

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Shit, I meant foil, not fool.

Koromaru's still around as of Ultimax, which so far is the last game chronologically with P3 characters since P3D and both Q games had them in time stasis. However Ultimax also mentioned Koromaru was getting up there in age, which means he may very well be dead by the time of P5U/P5S if P3/4 characters show up there.

You raise a good point regarding Adachi, but Akechi fulfills the exact same role. The theme of the game is teenagers who were dealt a shit hang using their powers to help others, and eventually, to help themselves grow and learn.

Akechi has an identical backstory to many characters in the main cast, but HE uses his powers as a shortcut to fix his life up with no care at all towards other people; an absolute antithesis of P5's theme.

As far as these characters being villainous foils to the core principles of the main cast, they are both absolutely excellent imo. I guess, subjectively, I just prefer Akechi. Maybe it's his VA. He sounded really good.

I agree that his ending was absolutely perfect. Effectively dying by his own hands, by the literal cognitive manifestation that exists because of his choice to help Shido, was an absolutely perfect ending. Especially since the true motives of his character shone through by saving the Thieves; he didn't want to kill them, just like Morgana said. He just wanted the fame that he would receive by ending both the Thieves and Shido, and they were getting in the way of both of his goals.

I was afraid they'd pussy out and have him repent and live, so I was very satisfied when he took a dirt nap.

*shit hand, not shit hang

>and P4 is probably the finest example of character writing in JRPGs.
You were doing so well until you said this, user.

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>Why is Yea Forums so addicted to reductionist arguments?

nigga i said i prefer one fucking artstyle, are you autistic? i come back and all this shit is going on.

get a hobby.

If P3 or P4 characters show up in any more spinoffs I guarantee you that they will be time stasis’d. Assuming P5 takes place in 2016, that would put the P3/P4 casts in their early/mid twenties, and I doubt Atlus would have them not be teenagers in any game.

Shut up you fool

>I really like Persona 5 and I think Yea Forums contrarians try too hard to shit on it. I also really fucking hate Ken. Please stop replying to my posts so that I can move on with my day, I can't stop.

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Makoto is my favorite girl! I love Makoto! I am honored to be called autistic like her.

P4U already had the P3 cast aside from Ken as adults. Almost all of them even had jobs, like Yukari being an actress and Junpei being a baseball coach. Most of the P4 cast also had careers set up for them, either in P4 itself or in later spinoffs.

Am I the only that's a little pissed off they don't ever mention the P3 hero at all? Beside the "Yu reminds me of someone".

In P4U? Literally the entire point of Elizabeth's part of the story is trying to revive Door. The reason why SEES moved on is because The Answer happened.

by the time of P4U, Makoto's been dead for 3-4 years.

>download patch
>elizabeth is still wide
was she a fattie from the start?

>which the localization fucked up because fuck AtlusUSA
I agree localization has issues but how did they fuck this up?

Your suffering wont end in a while

you are still shitposting in SMT threads to this very day and beyond i hope, you absolute madman

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It's so they don't spoil he's dead

anime fixed this. I agree that ps2 presentation could have been much better. on paper p3 has the best story in the series. also watched p5 animation and damn it was bad, even embarrassing and cringy at times, especially the ending. OP was the only good thing.

youtube.com/watch?v=-D8aigsnre4

It's amazing that P3, which made a fraction of the money, has more budget put into the animation.

I see no problem with this

>people arguing about whether Ken was or wasn't a good character

Listen, the only reason they made Ken as young as he was was because that sort of character was popular among the female audience at the time. Anyone who pretends P3's plot isn't puddle-deep is delusional.

>Persona is heavily focus tested
No way, really?

was this a legal move?

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It helps that they were movies instead of a full season TV series, but in general it's extremely obvious how much of a shallow merch advertisement P5A was.

P3P is terrible, totally ruins the game. Play P3FES.

How does OP manage to fail so hard?

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Reminder the widescreen patch still fucks the character portraits and everyone claiming the aspect ratio is fucked ITT is a shitposter who never even played the game.