Why can't Yea Forums accept the superiority of spears over swords?
Why can't Yea Forums accept the superiority of spears over swords?
Christopher Howard
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Joshua Gonzalez
Why didn't they just walk around them?
Elijah Hughes
>2v1
No
Hudson Perez
Because this is videogames and not real life you fucking nerd.
Luke Ramirez
If spears are so superior why did the Romans beat the Greeks so easily with their tiny swords.
William Walker
Why did the swordsmen just charge like retards into the big wall of spikes?
Reliable historical accounts of ancient battles describe them in a way that resembles football brawls - two lines of dudes facing off and shouting at each other until whoever the local commander is can rouse his guys up enough to dart forward for a quick struggle and then run back to his own lines. By "lines" I'm talking about a distance of a handful of metres or less separating them.
In the situation depicted in the webum it's more likely that the spearmen and the swordsmen would face off before the spearmen advanced and the swordsmen broke and ran. And the swordsmen would get away, too, because they aren't carrying a huge fucking spear.
Anyway, the primary reason that spears are so preferred is because you have to have one to not get your anus fucked by a horsecock so if you can only carry a spear or a sword you are always going to take the spear anyway. But swordsmen did have a role, and sword-and-buckler-men were deployed amongst pike formations for the express purpose of getting in underneath the enemy's pikes and giving them a stab.
In a one-on-one duel between spear and sword and shield it's a lot more even than Yea Forums memes would lead you to believe, though. The shield can be used to get around the point of the spear. Doesn't mean it always works, but it's not like it always doesn't work either. It's too close to call definitively and I would consider it a fairly even matchup if the shield is big enough. A fuckhueg tower shield is a massive advantage especially considering the reduced mobility of the spear user.
Isaiah Cox
swords fare better in actual close melee, but spears are very strong in formations.
Grayson Carter
Just cut the spear in half with the sword bro lmao
Austin Johnson
total war is for retards
play field of glory 2
Charles Johnson
sword
>expensive to make
>requires a lot of skill to properly forge
>requires a lot of skill to use
>short range
>swings are easily parried
>not very effective against horses, get BTFO by cavalry
spears
>cheap and easy to make
>requires literally no skill to make, just a sharpened stick an a broken piece of rock will be enough, maybe an iron/steel forged head if you want to be fancy
>no skill to use, could hand to a 10 year old and they could kill a man with it
>LONG range
>stabs require almost no energy and can be repeated over and over again if blocked/parried
>hard counter to horse, cavalry get BTFO
ROCKS
>cost no, just pick off ground
>no need make, stone everywhere
>no skill, caveman just throw
>as long a range as you can throw
>just throw rock, very easy
>everything BTFO by rock
>ultimate weapon
>big rock kill armor too
>very big rock kill entire castle
rock ultimate weapon prove me wrong protip you literally can not
Levi Jones
how the fuck do I refute this?
Chase Bell
*blocks your path*
Chase Gonzalez
Landon Rogers
What now, Shithead?
Daniel Kelly
grug demand u delet this
Grayson Butler
Did...that piece of paper give birth to a rock?
Ryan Perry
Thomas Hughes
In some battles lines would go for miles
Makes it a bit hard to walk around
Chase Jones
>2v1
>dismounted noble nights use poleaxes not swords
cringe
Hunter Barnes
just have a fuck heuge shield. literally no counter.
Luke Gutierrez
If I was on the sword side, I'd give them sneaky machine guns and have them pull them out once you get close at start firing. Good luck having spears against machine gun swordsmen.
Caleb Wilson
Spears came and went throughout history depending on technology and enemies of the time. During the Greek era of domination in the Mediterranean it was often battles involving two large well formed armies from city states which would meet on a common area for spear wall warfare, since that was what both were good at.
But the Romans had a problem in that many of their enemies were barbarians and other non-traditional armies which would pull massive dick moves and avoid the spears at all costs, so the Romans had to ditch the spear formations for something which was versatile, made up of units and could adapt for different enemies in different terrains. They basically developed a form of brutal riot control, which allowed them to hold a line and wear the enemy down while changing the front line with fresh troops and it was effective against everything. Except you have to be very well armored and trained to pull it off, which was fine when Rome was a military state, fell apart in its end years when it wasnt.
Jose Peterson
unironically this. Shields fuck up spears.
Carson Davis
>just one shield
wear a cylinder of shields
what the fuck are they gonna do?
Wyatt Reyes
>walk over to a swamp, forest, or slightly hilly area
>troops cant maintain lines on terrain
>rip apart with guerilla warfare archers, protected with light cav for counter charging any enemy cav
>once lines fully break, infantry charge them
Zachary Cooper
SPEAR
AND
SHIELD
Jonathan Howard
Mordhau proves this false and that spears only work well when together with others.
Mason Ortiz
I'm sorry mentor... just this once...
John Fisher
Just walk past you and rape your wife and kids maybe?
Jayden Morris
not if i stand wall to protect them
Camden Lopez
>spears
But those are pikes, an entirely different thing.
Nathaniel Bell
NANI?!
Gabriel Robinson
what about crossbows?
>relatively inexpensive to make
>however it needs engineering properly make
>requires some training, a kid will pick up on it in a week or two
>very LONG range
>high velocity bolts can pierce through cheap armor and shields
>hard counter to infantry
Robert Bennett
>Charging into pikes head-on
>Two units of pikes versus one unit of knights
>French Dismounted Noble Knights don't even wield swords. The have fucking poleaxes.
Noah Reed
Swords are for personal defense and city guards, pole-hands have always been better suited for war,
Jaxson Smith
>no archers
>run regardless
why are they so dumb?
Noah Hill
>tfw pikes in TW will never feel as good as Rome 1 ever again
Carter Stewart
GAZE UPON MY MIGHTY BULWARK.
Luis Peterson
way easier to use, but contrary to popular belief most crossbows weren't able to match the power of a longbow at full draw. The longbow required much more skill to use though. Most english longbowman were trained since childhood. It was tradition.
Certain crossbows exceeded the longbow in terms of power, but these required cranks or levers to draw since they were basically impossible to draw without them, being so heavy.
Levi Bailey
Holy dick shitting nipples!
Robert Cook
They're shit
>shoot once
>reload
>get shot
Bows are faster and shoot farther
Adam Hernandez
Rome 1 is the best TW game. Arrows were the best. Cavalry charges were the best. Spears were the best. Even campaign UI was the best.
Jose King
>pole-hands
Eli Foster
Too bad it's basically unplayable on Windows 10
Owen Lewis
lel
Zachary Bailey
Works fine on my pirated Windows 7 machine ;)
Brody Butler
>Med 2 pikes
The animation is literally broken and can stunlock any unit for eternity
Andrew Butler
I WON'T LOSE! MAXIMUM POWER, CARD STOCK OVERDRIVE!!!
Henry Wood
Hahahehehehe..... Heehahahaha.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Ryan Peterson
>character should have won but jobs for the sake of the plotline
Julian Collins
This is a nice bread
Continue
Isaac Reyes
>inb4 janny deletes good thread for being off topic
Leo Bailey
not so fast, kid
>ATTACK IT'S WEAK POINT
Hudson Hernandez
THE DARK HORSE OF THE STORY APPEARS
William White
>the actual final boss is an unknown entity never mentioned before
Every single time with these Square JRPGs
Elijah Johnson
Mwuahahahaha! Foolish screwhead! You cannot unscrew perfection! I'll slice you to ribbons!
Nathan Stewart
GIGA SCISSORS
ONLY QUADS CAN STOP XIR
Owen Barnes
>as long as I'm going to die here
>i might as well try everything
Easton Sullivan
>it was actually a phillips screwhead
HOLY FUCKING PLOT TWIST
Mason Ortiz
Y-You don't mean...
That!
Christopher Cruz
ora ora ora ora
you're gonna get SCREWED now kid
Noah Baker
Gavin Robinson
Chase Robinson
lost
Wyatt Thomas
Fucking hell
Carter Wood
You think you can handle the precision?! Impudent novelty utilities! I will shred you! Behold the Zetta Scissor X Infinitum Extended Attack! HGRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
Jack Brown
fuck
Easton James
Why can't Yea Forums accept the superiority of Medieval 2 over the other Total Wars?
Dylan Russell
Ryan Green
>runs straight into your spear wall
kek, what game is this?
Nolan Watson
Short version? Romans conquered the world due to the Pila, not the Spatha/Gladius.
That throwing javelin was insanely effective against armored targets, unarmored targets, and absolutely fucked shield-based formations. Which both Barbarians and Hellenized(greek-style) peoples used.
Julian Collins
Isaac Hill
They managed to outmaneuver them thanks to their discipline.
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Logan King
NANI
Jace Taylor
I played Medieval 2, it always bothered my how my pike formations dropped their pikes almost immediately.
Hoplites were so satisfying when I got Rome 1
Carter Sanchez
Sometimes this place is ok.
Josiah James
NGH!
Samuel Wood
>hoplites
you mean phalangites? hoplites are the most boring unit ever.
Brody Cox
>dismounted noble knighrs
Luke Price
Hoplites were my first spear/pike formation in Rome 1, so they were very satisfying in how they actually, you know, worked correctly.
Phalangites were better of course, but not my first.
Angel Morris
w-what happens next?
Grayson Nguyen
AAAAAAAAAAAGH! MY FUCKING HAND!
Lucas Smith
THATS WHAT YOU GET FOR RUNNING WITH SCISSORS
Ian Brooks
Keep going
William Adams
>he doesn't walk several miles a day
Landon Martinez
Krinkels pls
release Project Nexus 2
David Miller
I'll have you know every day I walk 500 miles and then 500 more.
Wyatt Ortiz
Fool! This just means I'll have to use my OTHER pairs of scissors! Get ready, I am about to use my circumcision attack!
Daniel Harris
WHY IS HIS DICK A PAIR OF SCISSORS
Xavier Hernandez
He was given the snip at birth
Jayden Ramirez
seems like you have a lot of tricks up your pant sleeves
Brody Rogers
Play it again and experience the wonder that is the battle AI for yourself. You have forgotten or were just too young to notice, it's so incompetent it's actually unbelievable.
Chase Lee
great thread
Daniel Walker
Surrender, paper man. Only gun man could hope to defeat me now, and he's away in the shop because the owner hasn't cleaned him.
Each of my blades are forty meters long. You cannot attack me from any angle or else you will be sheared apart. I am invincible.
Jack Taylor
What a twist!
Nolan Johnson
Where is rock-chan?
Robert Ramirez
Landon Lopez
based and rockpilled
Anthony Barnes
THEN MY FINAL ATTACK, THE APEX OF PAPER STYLE: MANIFOLD PAPERCUT!!!
Lincoln Howard
cut down from behind
Kevin Morales
Hope you don't fall down at your door.
Chase Stewart
OH SHIT
Liam Peterson
HAHAHA-AGGGGHHHHHHHHH! NOOOOOOOOO! HOW COULD... THE CUTTER.... GET CUT?!
Dominic Smith
>how could the cutter get cut
I'm dead
John Ward
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA! HELP ME STAPLE MAN! AAAAAAaaaaaaaaa..........
Julian Myers
is it over?
Elijah Green
*breaks your formation*
Cameron Baker
In ancient greece where both sides usually had spears and shield they just stabbed at eachother until one side gave up and left.
Tyler Roberts
best thread today
MODE STICKY IT
Nathaniel Young
You fought well scissor man
Nathan Barnes
>not spearing the rocks mid-air
Isaiah Hughes
wow this thread
Adam Jackson
>big rock break into smaller rocks
>single target attack becomes AoE
OH NO NO NO NO NO
Isaiah Clark
Best thread in weeks
Parker Moore
Grab a scribe and make him screencap this for the archives, quick!
Ayden Jackson
>so... this is the consequence of using the forbidden papercraft
>I guess pretty soon my whole body will turn into a pile of ash
scissor man... you were a worthy adversary
Angel Morgan
>this fucking thread
Bentley Miller
Where the fuck is Rockman?
Anthony Brooks
Kevin Peterson
This is fucking epic
Lincoln Kelly
Romans used spears as well.
Eli Barnes
Ryder Myers
jobbed for the plot
Levi Phillips
Ryan Ward
MY FUCKING SIDES
Ryan Perry
PAPERBOOOYY
Leo Bell
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Carson Cooper
Somebody archive this shit.
Mason Richardson
>walk several miles
>enemy just turns around
Caleb Wood
>didn't even use laminate armor
>didn't use origami transormation
THERE WERE OTHER WAYS TO BEAT HIM PAPERMAN YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO DIE
Brandon Barnes
Disagree, setting was too shitty.
Alexander Campbell
>rome 1 was the best TW game
>not Shogun 2
Liam Diaz
>not spearing the smaller rocks mid air
git gud
Ryder Myers
Never change
Jacob Morris
>spear smaller rocks into microscopic rocks
>AOE attack now ignores def
You just can't win.
Gavin Hernandez
Gavin Clark
Tyler Morris
NOT SO FAST
Brayden Scott
So
does Paper = Scissors, given they both met their end? Or is Paper>Scissors?
Adrian Ortiz
>implying microscopic rocks do shit
Nah, you just need to git gud son.
Brayden Martin
>not using microscopic spears to spear the microscopic rocks to oblivion
GIT GUD
Wyatt Reyes
>crossbows
>>very LONG range
Historically that wasn't the case, they weren't able to penetrate armor as far away as a medieval longbow would, but they could punch through even the thickest armor if they were close enough.
Lucas Davis
Austin Reed
Honestly I still think it's scissors > paper. Sure Scissors died, but only because Paper used a forbidden, and suicidal, technique to defeat him. Anyone else would have been fucked.
Owen Wilson
why didnt people dual wield shields? you cant die
Joseph Campbell
Grayson Young
Justin Rodriguez
The ancient man's brain was too small to comprehend dual wielding shields. Strangely enough, ancient Indians dual wielded shields, which prompted Adolf Hitler to send researchers to India to figure out how and why they managed to dual wield shields, despite being considered shitskins by the German populace.
Aaron Perry
Best thread in this beloved shithole of mine for a while.
Anthony Edwards
You are referring to the romans fighting against macedonians, not greeks - which betrayed macedon multiple times until the kingdom fell and became a major province of rome.
Brody Turner
>not knowing how spears can be defeating through simple flanking, proven throughout history over and over again
Fuck off with this pleb bullshit bitch nigga.
William Baker
based grug poster
Jeremiah Gomez
was going to cap a lot of this thread, but some of the pictures are just too big
Aiden Foster
Juan Cruz
what the fuck was Creative Assembly thinking when creating these units?
Josiah Ramirez
What would be fun
Ayden Rogers
>unironically using the the word fun when talking about video games in 2019
lmao fun is just a buzzword
Gavin Thompson
Carson Barnes
spears are for pussies
Camden Ward
Wooden club is best weapon
>Barefoot? Just snap it in half and whittle them into clogs
>Want to engage enemy from afar? Just whittle it into a spear for maximum reach
>Want to block an attack? Just whittle it into a shield for a turn
>Enemy close in past the spear and you need a backup weapon to fall on? Just whittle the club into a dagger
>Enemy jumped away from your dagger to shoot arrows at you? Just snap it in half and whittle it into a loaded crossbow
>Door in your way? Just whittle it into a lockpick and tension wrench and get that shit open
>Sun messing with your scouting? Just whittle it into a baseball cap
Club best weapon.
Cooper Gomez
It's a mod you retard. The normal berserkers aren't giants that fling guys around like a cav unit.
Carter Barnes
wrong.
Xavier Torres
Context. Spears are great at long range and outside but in close quarters or enclosed spaces they're absolutely terrible.
Benjamin Thompson
I haven't been on Yea Forums in months and I just want to thank all you guys for this thread.
Lincoln Morgan
Don't know man. There are just too many faggots who think that swords are superior because of looks or whatever, when in reality spears are fucking Chad tier
Aiden Davis
Connor Rivera
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Dominic Jackson
kek
Michael Rogers
Noah Myers
>says spears
>webm clearly shows pikes
crossbow men and flanking, ez
Sebastian Evans
Christian Phillips
what a twist!!
James James
HAHAHA
Thomas Ross
Owen Young
BASED
Isaiah Rivera
Someone make a screencap this thread is gold
Henry Hill
holy fucking based
William Young
This kind of shit is why I still come to Yea Forums.
Elijah Foster
>they weren't able to penetrate armor as far away as a medieval longbow would
Neither penetrates armor
Samuel Brooks
Xavier Collins
>what are bodkin points
Oliver Wilson
KAMI-SAMAAAAAAA
Jonathan Hernandez
youtube.com
they do fuck-all against plate
youtube.com
gambeson is too stronk as well
ring or chain mail is garbage though
Zachary Thomas
Because the Diadochi generals were brainlets: youtu.be
And also because the romans used war Elephants that broke the flanks of the greeks:
youtu.be
Sebastian Russell
The romans went back to using spear and shields in the late roman empire when they were faced against cavalry heavy enemies (germans, sassanids, huns...): youtu.be
Brayden Morales
Well, slingers were quite popular in ancient armies, Alexander the Great, Hannibal, and Caesar used them quite a lot as skirmishers, the "Balearic Slingers" were quite popular mercenary force that was hired by armies throughout the mediterranean.
Parker Bennett
Actually... Paper boxes are quite good at stopping bullets: youtu.be
Gavin Sanchez
What a fucking hack
Angel White
True, but the only exception being Arcubalistas (which are literally bows mounted on a crossbow stock, quite popular with the Han empire, and late-roman empire)
Isaiah Phillips
Only faggots and niggers use spears.
Charles Sullivan
OTOMO
T
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Caleb Gonzalez
Rome 2 was a total disgrace
Daniel Carter
I spear your mom every night.
Ayden Walker
>runs you over
The literal pinnacle of non-gun warfare, late cav was so alpha it beat heavy pike lines in a straight fight.
Easton Young
That chad Rhodian slinger vs the virgin Cretan Archer.
Thomas Scott
>Rhodians
wtf a galaxy far far away is actually the ancient Mediterranean
Austin Johnson
>non-gun warfare
Wrong
Lincoln Sanders
This thread has restored my faith on this board.
Michael Fisher
Weren't Balearic slingers supposed to be "worth their weight in gold" or something?
Jace Jenkins
what do you mean by this, obviously I know they coincided with guns but I mean specifically they didnt use guns
John Cooper
>this thread
Kayden Mitchell
wrong
Kayden Wright
bruh
Parker Bailey
Spears are easier to use and better on flat ground. However, they fall apart when an army's central formation is divided. Empires which didn't rely on them as central points of their military probably had professional/semi-professional armies and had large amounts of uneven terrain around them.
Chase Adams
i dont understand
Henry Martin
I can't believe nobody has posted this yet
Juan Fisher
>implying Rock isn't superior
Scissors had to use surprise just to beat him and he was beating Paper.
Lincoln Thomas
And they ended up getting fucked. Thanks spears!
Juan Butler
Yes they were, since their ammunition was cheap (literally rocks and stones), they could resupply quite easily wherever they went, and keep the pressure on the enemy (the main role of the skirmishers in the battlefield).
Kayden Taylor
>gets killed off screen
>muh defense
Rock is a joke character user get over it
Aiden Peterson
The OG Legions were also BTFO by cavalry heavy enemies, haven't you heard of the battle of Carrhae?: youtu.be
William Edwards
>was destroying Paper in a way to prevent O MY SCOTCH TAPE asspulls
>Scissor had to slice him and Paper from behind
Evan Lewis
Don't try to reason with scissorfags they can't comprehend the subtlety of rock.
Ryder Rivera
The main strenght of the phalanx is the integrity of the formation. Phalanx falls apart when used on uneven terrain, romans used to lure the greeks on to the hills and then beat the shit out of them since they had experience in hill fighting with the samnites.
Hunter Stewart
Holy shit this thread. I guess there's hope for humanity after all.
Ryder Sanders
include me in reddit post OP
Brandon Wilson
>that one tribune who turns back to flank
absolutely based
Zachary Nelson
Because their swords were enchanted with +10 to INT which allowed them to outsmart the brainlet Greeks.