DUDE WHAT IF THIS HIGH TIER AT WORST CHARACTER WAS ABLE TO TURN INTO THE BEST CHARACTER IN THE GAME BY A SIGNIFICANT...

>DUDE WHAT IF THIS HIGH TIER AT WORST CHARACTER WAS ABLE TO TURN INTO THE BEST CHARACTER IN THE GAME BY A SIGNIFICANT MARGIN FOR LARGE CHUNKS OF THE GAME

fuck pay to win dlc

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who the fuck is this guy and what is he doing in smash bros

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>JUST DONT LET HIM GET ARSENE THEN
trash
>you hit me
Meter charges
>you get hit
Meter charges
>you do absolutely nothing
Meter charges

Screw joker, screw cloud and screw meters its free pressure

>almost no Smash pro picked up Joker competitively
>everyone thought he was bad/overrated
>a single pro who picked him up starts winning
>suddenly a broken character that needs to be nerfed

Fucking Smashers. Joker is a top to mid tier character character for sure but he's a high skill ceiling character, he's not broken

Meter only charges when hit or hit during Rebels Guard. You lose meter when Arsene is out if you get hit or lose a stock

>mfw stalling out opponents arsene after losing a stock

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>Not enjoying a wide variety of video games or at least knowing about them

Faggot

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Honestly I think it should only be chargeable through Rebel Guard. Either that or severely reduce how much meter builds just from Joker eating hits.

very important jrpg character from a game that sold well that has long lasting history with Nintendo

No he's not retard, he's not even 3 years old

Do people really give a shit about the balance in Smash Bros. of all games?

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>pick DDD
>free win against every fucking joker
I didn't even know what his down special did, but it fills his meter up more so Arsene gets out quicker if he gets hit right? Doesn't make much difference when he's being gimped the fuck off stage

lol

>doesn’t know what mainline is
Typical smash fag

most idiots that play swordies have no idea what to do against DDD since he has bigger disjoints than any of them besides Cloud and Shulk

>Persona
>mainline

I mean, I feel like the real problem is that people were trying to avoid direct confrontation with Arsene, which just makes things easier for him. The people that had any sort of luck against Leo's Joker were the aggressors as they attacked him regardless Arsene was out or not.

Its not fair bros
It was his turn

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this
it don't matter if Arsene is out or not he's gonna get cocky once he's out so take advantage of his shitstained asshole and still beat him up aggressive

>caring if someone is OP in a party game
do you faggots really?

Smash makes a really shitty party game these days because there's always one or two people that actually play and they wipe the floor with everyone else

>he doesn't know about japanese jpop emo jrpg fuckboy #15567? what a fucking faggot

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fucking whiners, MKLeo is just that good

P5 is about as mainstream as jrpgs get though, second only to FF which was already represented

>can't be bothered to learn matchups, play better, create new strategies, and improve yourself
>better whine for nerfs

I hate what balance patches have done to people.

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The faggot part isn't not knowing who he is, it's pretending you don't know who he is

>the amala network
Check mate atheist
Also persona q and Q2 are a thing
>imagine thinking he would be in
Raidou or demifiend are better reps

Joker isn't broken, MKLeo is.

It be like this. Leo is just a head above all the competition. People will bitch if any DLC character is even top 8 viable though so not much point in arguing.

That's why DBFZ is based. Only one big balance patch for the whole year.

remember when joker first got released and smashfags bitched that he was too low-tier and therefore a "wasted slot"?
now that people have figured out how to play as him, he's suddenly "pay-to-win" and smashfags are complaining about that too.
just admit that you'll never be happy with any new character that isn't banjo/geno/isaac and stop spamming the board with your garbage.

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Not a serious fighting game

So is this going to be another Bayonetta where the competitive autists throw a shit fit for no reason until they get what they want?

9/10 retards who play swordies will mash retreating aerials on your shield and dont realize that they can punish landings incredibly efficiently and whiff punish as long as they aren't Cloud or Shulk (who don't have strong whiff punish options)

>there are people here that didn't immediately recognize that Joker was an easy top 10 if not top 5 on release, even before further cementing the fact by recent nerfs to Peach and Pichu
>there are people here that didn't recognize even vanilla, non-Arsene Joker is a great fighter, and that Arsene just makes him the best in the game

Being unsure the first week is understandable but by a month in it should've been clear

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Joker is good but not OP, Bayonetta broke the game's competitive scene in half.

*snaps fingers*
EIHA

>never be happy with any new character that isn't banjo/geno/isaac
That still wouldn't make them happy.

leave it to Yea Forums to always be fucking awful at video games. It was pretty obvious he was at least high tier from the few days

>call him the joker
>doesn't even give him white face
>purple suit is an alt
how did they get the design so wrong? this is even worse than joker from suicide squad

Yeah, I noticed it from day 1 too. Any character with a mechanic like Arsene and that frame data is gonna be fucking broken lol

>Bayonetta broke the game's competitive scene in half
and that's a good thing.

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>what is sarcasm

>pokemon

>>call him the joker
It's just Joker

It's just Smash. Cam down

>NOOOOOOOOOOOO! I MEMORIZED ALL THE COMBOS! I WENT OFF SCREEN! I PICKED THE FAST CHEAP CHARACTERS!
>IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR! YOU'RE NOT PLAYING A FIGHTING CHARACTER YOU'RE PLAYING A GRENADE FACTORY! BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER I'M ON THE CORNER AND EDGEGUARDING THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN BEAT ME NOW I'M A COMBO MASTER TRY HARD I'M GOING TO WIN! I'M GOING TO- WAIT WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING? YOU'RE OFF STAGE WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING? WAIT WHY IS THE GROUND BELOW ME GLOWING RED-

"NOW!"

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>persona bigger than pokemon, dragon quest, nier automata, or souls
Delusional, inb4 souls and nier arnt jrpg autism

Oh shit you right, but well uhh yeah I think we got that one covered for smash

yeah, you're right. rool and ridley weren't enough to make them shut the fuck up, they'd just move on to the next smashboards circlejerk characters.

it's a really weird take but Joker without Arsene is fun as fuck. The kit feels holistic and flows together well. If Eiha and Rebel's Guard were replaced with more interesting specials in a hypothetical Arsene-free Joker he'd be a unique thief archetype

but I really wanted him to function like some sort fo Stand user, like that Heritage to the Future JoJo game

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All my black friends who play fighting games say Snake is "dishonest" because you can win with him without doing combos.

Souls isn't a jrpg though. You don't seriously think the gameplay is similar to FF.

>Yea Forums complains that Joker is sucks at release.
>Now that MKLeo is doing with Joker, Yea Forums complains Joker is OP.

Honestly does Yea Forums even play smash. When did Yea Forums get filled with cucks.

Bayonetta was far worse. People just want something to bitch about.

Bayonetta
>Could pull off 0-death combos at any percent
>Straight-up broke the competitive scene
>Immediately started carrying absolute nobodies and literal whos to 1st place in locals all over the place
>Mained by multiple players, well-known and obscure
>There was common talk of banning her outright

Joker
>No such explosive results from the start, causing people to immediately jump to the conclusion that he's bad
>Only gets outstanding results when used by arguably the best player in the scene

>One spic wins with him
>Suddenly the character is OP
Cope more heavyfag

No but it is close to YS
>using final faggotry as a baseline for what is a jrpg
Already tells me that you dont know shit

Leo wins a few tournaments with ike
Every faggot tryhard starts using him online and on tourneis
>omg please nerf ike he is so broken
Leo drops ike "i do not think ike is very good"
Faggot tryhards drop him too
Leo picks lucina
>above repeats
Leo picks wolf
>above repeats
Leo picks joker
>we are here

only a handful of characters even have combo privileges in Ultimate though

Joker was always a top character, could tell by the second day and was forced into duels with them by quickplay. He is solid.

outside competitive he isn't even that great, though. On quickplay joker players take this as their opportunity to spam counter so it is easy to hard read them. It's easy enough to kite until the install ends.

>Anime poster seething about tournaments because he has no friends to play with
Yikes! Maybe you should stick to World of Light, kiddo!

more proof that Smash is a fighting game since its fanbase doesnt actually play the game just a like a real fighting game

>they keep buffing Snake's uptilt
WHY

It's not similar to any JRPG beyond the fact that it was made by the Japanese.

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>souls is a jrpg
what the fuck
>nier
comparable popularity
>pokemon
yeah true, but already represented out the ass

>stand user
This idea is retarded, Heritage for the Future's "free stand" idea worked because the characters had much less space to work with. It would just make Joker a sitting duck and easily disrupted for using his main gimmick. And people also seem to forget that Arsene acts near identical to HFTF outside of that with the passive stand system,right down to a bar that gets depleted when you hit him. The biggest difference is that Arsene lacks a hurtbox

Nier a tomato sold the double Persona 5 did

It is similar to ys, which is why you completely ignored it in your response
Souls is a jRPG, everything about the level, enemy/boss, and mechanic design is Japanese aside from leveling up

And it was on three platforms with DIFFERENT players. P5 was only on PS4 and PS3.

The Virgin School Kid
>Edgy trench coat
>skill-less meter mechanic
>has a gun, but isn't that good
The Chad Mercenary
>Tactical suit with pockets for storage
>Skill based projectiles that use timing to hit the opponent with pinpoint accuracy
>Armed to the teeth with explosive each more useful than the last
Snake is the best character, it's great to be back

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Ys is an action rpg like souls

Using that logic, octopath and xenoblade 2 are also comparable to p5

>it's another complain about joker thread
let it go and i'll give you a (you)

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i mean they have to make the dlc characters busted, who the fuck is gonna buy a bad character?

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Who /Ken/ here?

ys is a jrpg, aRPG is a subgenre.

Yikes

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No, Ys is an action rpg. Your weird definition doesn't change that fact for everyone else.

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Feel free to complain about other characters so my girl and her orange companion can fly under the radar again.

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Sm4sh Bayonetta or Brawl Meta Knight
Who wins?

can i have that gif

adapt better bitch

Brawl Meta Knight, no question.

By your definition, skyrim and witcher arnt wRPG, despite everyone considering them as such. Only retards who dont think souls or ys are jrpgs are the morons who think jrpgs have to be turn based

>DUDE WHAT IF THIS HIGH TIER AT WORST CHARACTER WAS ABLE TO TURN INTO THE BEST CHARACTER IN THE GAME BY A SIGNIFICANT MARGIN FOR LARGE CHUNKS OF THE GAME
Nigger, he was picked up by the best player in the scene

We talking pre nerf bayo or post nerf bayo?

Was but now that tierwhores love him because of the buff i'm using Ryu to stomp them in

No one is stopping you, go ahead

Is anyone really using ken even after the buffs tho? I've been playing a lot and haven't seen a single one

Jokers not that good

Meta. His whole kit combined everything people hate about smash characters in an environment that had easy recoveries.

Bayo was off the wall busted because of how easy she was to use and all the legal stages favored her.

>Only Leo picks him
This just like everyone saying Juri is mid tier in SFV just because all of TWO people won with her.

Just play Lucario bro.

>Leo plays Ike
"Ike is so fucking braindead and OP, nerf pls!"
>Leo plays Wolf
"Wolf is so fucking brindead and OP, nerf pls!"
>Leo plays Joker
"Joker is so fucking braindead and OP, nerf pls!"
Maybe MKLeo is just fucking good at the game?

Tr4sh competitive scene was utter shit anyway so that's a plus for her inclusion.

Hackurai can't balance for shit.

/thread

>Persona
>long lasting history with Nintendo

acquire proficiency.

You're either baiting, blind, or retarded. Kill yourself retard you've clearly been on this board less than a week.

I noticed that shit the first day despite Yea Forums insisting he's shit.
Any fighter with those moves, a reflect AND counter that's also builds meter, frame data, and a fucking butt buddy to help you fuck every other fighter every minute and a half is bound to be alright.

Could you imagine how much of a monster Sm4sh Bayo pre-patch theoretically was?

NO, SHUT UP! WIN TOURNAMENT MEAN CHARACTER IS BROKEN!!!

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In terms of popularity, Persona is indeed on par with all of those games, except for Pokemon of course.
Also, Nier? Nier Automata was a huge success, but its predecessor was practically unknown, while the Persona franchise has been extremely popular for over a decade.

Yes, they are? Who said they aren't.

I would pay good money to convince MkLeo to play and win with Little Mac.

>Let's add a character to Smash that can use a projected second body to fight
>And lets have his moveset do nothing unique with that premise
What the fuck Sakurai, we could have had Stand charges.

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Imagine? The signs were there but we were all spared that horror before she could really fuck everything up moreso than she already did. She might have actually been banned

every ken i find tries to do the same 0 to death combo

Perhaps, but Arsense is just too good at what it does.

This. Arsense should last 20 seconds, joker doesn't need a free 20% charge on death and non rebel's guard hits should not charge it that fast

>extremely popular for over a decade
>none sold over a million until 5

Then joker isnt anything special

Ike and Wolf aren't broken or OP at all. Only complete shitters complained about them. You could play them yourself and see how hard they are to play. Joker is different, even a bad player can pick him up and do well. Same for Lucina. There is clearly a difference between Joker and Ike/Wolf.

fuck smashfags

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Joker wasn't considered broken out the door because he was slightly more nuanced and didn't have a F-smash that he could spam and kill at 60%. Notice in the early days everyone bitched about swordies for their Side-B spam to F-smash gameplans or Inklings abusing roller. Now look at top 8s, where are all the swordies? What Inkling makes top 8 besides Cosmos? On the topic of Joker, he is probably on the rise. He is essentially Sheik with kill power. He has a focus attack that charges his limit break form to murder people, and he has Corrin's counter which just so happens to reflect. That's not even going over his whole kit full of tricks.

Melee just keeps on winning.

I have no remorse for abusing this

Joker fucking sucks without Arsene, though.
>Lacking in both range and speed for all his attacks
>Not-PK fire loses to everything
>Rebels Guard is dumb easy to punish
>Can't kill without a meme gun jump gimp, unreliable back air, or side smash, all incredibly unlikely and you can't even gun gimp most of the roster
>If you nut up and hit Joker while he has Arsene out the amount of meter he has left drops dramatically, a few good hits will basically get rid of Arsene
>Arsene hangs above Joker by a bit and all his attacks do as well, literally just approach low

That said, his moveset is still low effort shit and should be a cool Heritage to the Future character instead of a hodgepodge of existing moves+Stand on a timer

>Ike
Holy shit hahaha, fucking off yourself.

I mean that's how EVERYONE should handle it. Camp on the respawn platform for s long as possible then lame out arsene

This. Playing passive vs Joker in Arsene is retarded.

why do some of you act like standard joker has issues killing?

Tiers dont exist

Imagine thinking Joker sucks without his butt buddy. You main Joker don't you? He totally is shit tier huh bro? Needs buffs more than Mac Kirby Ridley and Rool, huh?

Heritage for the Future is the worst fucking basis for a 2.5D platform fighter.
Freeing tha stand would be awful because the added space would make Joker a sitting fucking duck, let alone in any mode that has more than 1v1 where his viability plummets even more. It's not fit for a game where it's party first, fighting second.
And Arsene's mechanics already mimics the stand bar, with the difference of Arsene has no hitbox.

lol no I murder Jokers constantly

Some shitty game where you play as a autist who dindu nuffin, and mind rape people who have questionable morals into committing suicide

This

>Mkleo uses a character well because he's a great player
>Suddenly the character is the best in the game

Based Leo exposing scrubs and new gen z zoomers just now getting into Smash.

>You main Joker don't you?
I played him for a week when he came out before admitting he sucked taint. Now I just wreck every single one I see online.

Gitgud.

Borb

JOKER IS NO MATCH FOR THE WILL OF GOD

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Bayonetta has trouble dealing with short characters. Borb wins handedly.

Remember when Inkling was broken?
Then Ike?
Then Olimar?
Then Pichu?
Then Wolf?
Yeah, that is one Yikes from me and Ultimate wifi warriors

Don't forget Wario

rool's fine faggot

>Olimar
I still don't get it.

Olimar is the only character whom I've NEVER LOST TO EVER. What trouble do people have with him?

Just a friendly reminder that Steve will NEVER be in Smash

why wouldnt people complain when they know the dev team shits themselves and nerfs decent characters into the ground the minute someone on a basket weaving forum cries about them

Funny to think Peach and Daisy never had this issue since their mains don't exist onlin most of the time

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He's not even half as threatening as Cloud with limit was in 4. Leo is just good.

Yep; it's 3 in a row now with Cloud; Bayo and Joker.

Smash DLC Pay2Win confirmed.

They don't pay attention to online feedback anymore.
They pay attention to elite smash results.

Some of you need to realize there's a difference between online and offline characters

Bayo hitboxes were mad dumb. 0 to death combos. Landing Lag didn't matter to her. Witch Time was a busted counter. Carried players within the first two weeks. I could list an in-depth analysis why Bayo was utterly broken, but I'll just keep it short for now.

We had every right to complain about Bayo.

Wow Leo is a Chad
I feel he is going to stick with Joker for a lot of time desu, he put faith in him when everybody shit on Joker

If Joker is so broken, why did Tweek get 33rd at Smash n Splash running him?

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There were only 3 players that did anything with solo Cloud, but he was a huge counter pick character that fucking simplified MU like crazy.

Meter is going to be nerfed somehow. Its one of those aspects of him you just can't really gauge in pretests.

>joke
>your head

Isn't that patch like 2 days old?

>Lives rent free in the minds of Tw33k, Tyler “He’s gonna jump” Martins, and Samsora

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