Lets see neo Yea Forums defending this

Lets see you defend minors gambling, come on.

Lootboxes and gacha are gambling.

I hope every company that uses loot boxes is utterly destroyed and every person like OP who defends lootboxes, even as an ironic joke, is raped to death.

>and microtransactions
This does nothing to prevent those. Theyve already moved to battle pass and storefront garbage.

The fuck is "bipartisan"?

good
loot boxes have turned video games into a glorified slot machine with a "game" shell

Gambling is fun, children need to learn bargaining and gambling at a younger age.

Didnt mean to reply. This is just a normal post.

I play gacha but I'm a stupid adult who has a good job. Stupid kids shouldnt gamble.

I agree its horrible so they should ban baseball cards too

It won't do much because they'll just require age verification before you buy them now. Literally nothing will change as whales are all adults.

Maybe sports games can actually be fun again and not gatchas

Are you 12 or an ESL?
Either way google it faggot

lmao look at this boomer
kids dont play with cards anymore, no one will miss them

>neo Yea Forums
It's nu-Yea Forums ATM.

Speaking about the Yea Forums prefixes:
~2007 Yea Forums: Yea Forums
~2012 Yea Forums: neo-Yea Forums
~2017 Yea Forums: nu-Yea Forums
~2022 Yea Forums: ???

I'm OK with this actually

I think the last game I played with loot boxes was Mass Effect 3's multiplayer.

That's what board games with family are for, not predatory pay store shovelware.

lets see neo Yea Forums finding anything wrong with this

Sure is /commie/ in here.
Crying for the government to fix citiizen behavior by banning products under the guise of "muh children"
How do kids even get money for this stuff? Oh right the parents. Maybe we should adress that first.
what happened to the free market?

>2011
>spend $2 for some dumbass DLC outfit
>2019
>spend $2 for a 5% chance to get the specific item you want drawn randomly from a hat
No, this is 100% a good thing to ban this shit. It's just a new way publishers found to fleece their dumb customers even more

>all those Belgian pro FIFA players who had to move country or retire after the lootbox ban because people spend literally thousands of dollars on packs at launch and they couldn't anymore
yeah, I'm thinking lootboxes are cancer

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t. jew

I'm glad one of these blatant political pandering bills finally benefits me.

They don't give a shit about loot boxes, they just want to be able to say they passed a bill to protect kids from exploitation. It's pure political games.

Buying a pack of cards at a store has a lot more barriers for kids than digital purchases. And nobody buys those anymore

It willl never be approved. If it makes money why would ((they)) want it to be removed. You got to be awfully naive if you haven't figure it out how this shit system works by now.

Why the fuck would I defend rampant capitalism? The market should be regulated and consumers should be protected from corporate greedy pigs.

With your logic kids should be able to buy alcohol and drugs just because they have access to money.

>Same thread with the same "download.png " filename
Get a life, faggot

guaranteed replies

I swear to fucking god 80% of Yea Forums is just bait threads

The same people preaching about muh free market and the evil lefties won't even allow the sale of marijuana, because it's "harmful". But Chinks shilling jpgs on our kid's is totally cool right?

lol i dont think that it will affect the lootboxes too much
You'll just have to sign an agreement or something like that that you're 18 or older, which is something that nobody cares about.

insert "Home Deport presents The Police"
libtards are the best lolcow

>there is only communism or complete free capitalism

Both are bad idiot, things need to be regulated

Lootboxes do exploit kids. Fortnite doesnt do lootboxes, just cosmetics but you've heard stories of kids racking up 1000s of dollars of debt on fortnite from their parents credit cards.its cancer.

First the loot boxes, then our anime boobs.

Loot boxes are cancer and they should be banned for everyone.

NOOOOOOO MY BILLION DOLLAR VIDYA CORPORATIONS CAN'T BE HARASSED LIKE THIS REEEEEE

here's the problem, it doesn't get rid of lootboxes, it just forces companies to put a "click yes if you are 18 or older ;^)" button in front of the lootboxes

Yeah this.

Totally stopped any underage usage of porn. Should be fine for things that are completely socially acceptable

based government stopping lootbox simpletons

Except these politicians don't give a shit about kids. They just want to use them for their political career. Having a bill passed that says "protect children" is immensely beneficial to their career.

WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF CORPORATIONS PROFITTING FROM GAMBLING ADDICTS AND UNDERAGE DUMMIES?

We already had this thread, fuck off.

nega-Yea Forums

people are legitimately believing this place is basically reddit now

don't tell me you didn't drink vodka when you were 15
people will always find a way

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Nobody is against this except the merchants themselves and their shills.

Good. Lootboxes are shit.

Take your gacha shit somewhere else.

Nobody is for this except jealous failing casinos and their shills

if retards spend all of their money on skins I could potentially get free maps

this is a win win

you guys are on reddit tier white knighting and it's pathetic honestly

No shit but you couldn't just walk into a liquor store and buy it could you?

>Game ask you your age
>If minor, you will not be nagging you to buy loot boxes
>Suddenly, everyone is 12.

I wouldn't even really have a problem with microtransactions if it were things you could actually unlock in the game, but most of the time its a Battlefront II situation where you have to play for years to get it or pay a small fee and maybe it'll show up in your lootbox.

Should go back to the old system where you play the game on the hardest difficulty and your reward for beating it is one of the best items in the game.

Whats a bipartisan? You have so many wierd political titles in the US?

Define children children and define lootbox, my defense of lootboxes goes as far as this. Don't let the government put vague wording in their laws.

Didn't stop kids from losing all their allowance on crypto
Just makes a new black market for people to rip kids off and exploit them for profit out of the public eye just like alcohol and other age restricted things.

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oh yeah, all those casinos for children

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>play a lootbox multi-player game
>no 12 year olds
wtf I love lootbox games now

Look, another dumbass who didn't read the bill.
Will post "minor" next for you.

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>banning gambling boxes

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>if retards spend all of their money on skins I could potentially get free maps
This has been proven false by Overwatch and TF2. Company's will just sit on their fat asses and watch the dough come in and make one, maybe to updates a year.

>muh kids
>muh vulnerable retards
I'm sure nothing will go wrong and companies won't be ten steps ahead implementing lootboxes that are able to bypass any implemented law.

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The usually older, more respected version of bipartikun.

The fact that lootboxes exist doesn't affect me in any way so I don't care if they get banned or not.

This will bite people in the ass down the road, more than it has already, the government should've never gotten involved.

children: Under age of 18
Lootboxes: Any and all shit that you pay real money for that contains RNG elements that unlock game content

Im all for it. If ESRB doesnt want to police, theyr own fault.

Who honestly would be in favor of paying for things they don't want?

A la cart style DLC is superior to lootboxes.

Getting rid of lootboxes is undeniably good, the only worry is that they might want to take the opportunity to regulate further.

The problem with lootboxes is not their existence, but their content. Creating items that available only in lootboxes is bad. Locking game progression behind lootboxes is bad. Not givin access to lootboxes through game without paying money is bad.

>implying they won't think of something worst than lootboxes

oy vey goyim, we've changed the system, now every 5000 boxes you're guaranteed to win a fortnite skin, so that means it's not gambling any more

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depends on the liquor store
small ones used to work fine
in any case you could always ask your brother to buy you stuff, or your friend's brother doesn't matter.

I'm just saying in the end this thing won't change anything,
okay you will get this "tick this box that if you're allowed to play these loot boxes (we'll use your credit card number as a proof)"

I get the feeling this might only make things worse, if they make it "officially gambling".
In that case nothing stops them from making it blatant RMT and pay 2 win.

Wouldn't be enough to circumvent the bill as it is currently written.
Try again.

Let retards waste their own money however they like.
>b-but children
The irresponsible parents are the retards at that point

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Thank you, but I can't support the definition of under 18, that's far too wide reaching. Some states let people drive at the age of 13 but apparently buying shit is too dangerous for them? I'm all for getting rid of lootboxes, but when I see children and minors I think sub-13 or sub 16 at most.

>implying they won't just throw money at politicians to make it go away

Children should be allowed to buy beer and if the parents let it happen it's their fault!

why should i try again? you know they'll think of something better for me

Who gives a shit why they're doing it?

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seething libtard

>but when I see children and minors I think sub-13 or sub 16 at most.
I seriously hope you don't apply this logic to your dating habits.

>kikes totally aren't the ones social-engineering society to spend money where their told instead of where they want

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fuck western AAA and fuck trannyfagera

>to children
So will it still plauge M rated games?

Not sure I'm on board but there are much better hills to die on then defending lootboxes

fuck off you kike-worshiping boomer
gambling is illegal most places for a reason and that is gambling, gambling marketed to children and teens
fuck you, fuck your generation, and fuck lootboxes

This thread is filled entirely by poorfags who can't cope with having other people spend extra money on a game to look better or for extra content.

We are the ones who are responsible for the game being support post release. If it wasn't for us they would just kill the game 2 weeks after release.

Yes
nigger

hawley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2019-05/Loot-Box-Bill-Text.pdf

Here's the full document if anyone does want to read it, although I know reading is hard.

>He thinks we’re dying on this hill

Why is it so taboo to like a regulation if it does nothing but benefit you? There are so many regulations fucking us in the ass daily, why can't we just enjoy one for once?

>have kid
>take no blame if you fuckup its upbringing

>thinking McConnel will ever bring this up

lol

I don't, I apply it to what people can do at various points in their life decided by society and lawmakers. We already have an M rating for games that is supposed to apply to 17 year olds and above, I'm just trying to to point out that there's some very obvious inconsistency

AO rated games sure.
Which big publishers always avoid because AO games are banned from consoles and Walmart.

Why do you underage retards post this shit thinking it's going to pass?

Parents will never be responsible for their children in the modern world. Just like most school shootings involving a child perpetrator. They blame doom, mortal kombat, and marilyn manson.

thanks for being our internet lolcow and gifting us untold amounts of comedy. please tell me you're also one of those Sovereign Citizen types.

Oh no, maybe they'll have to start releasing complete games that are actually quality now

Reminder that there’s only a tiny minority of shills that keep propagating the lie that Yea Forums is pro-lootbox

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I don't give a fuck about the politics or any of that shit surrounding the issue, lootboxes are lame and usually detrimental to the content available to the player, something like overwatch for example would have lots more longevity if cosmetics were locked behind completing certain feats, like an achievement, winning a certain amount of matches, etc, rather than spinning a wheel and hoping it lands on shit you want, I'm glad they're being removed, fuck the whales

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Confirmed pedo

Good God euros are stupid

I would say gambling is bad for a lot of fucking people and needs to be regulated as hard or harder than alcohol. Casinos are designed to squeeze as much money out of people as possible, and I can't see that as anything less than scummy.

But that aside, this is exactly how capitalism works. Unchecked capitalism just trades government for corporations, and then we're back at square one.

But lawmakers have decided that US citizens cannot engage in sexual relationships until the age of 18. Do you disagree with this law?

>defending jewy practices
oy vey

>thinks its a bad thing
how to spot a zoomer from a mile away

So are the people opposed to this really free-market worshippers or just regular tards who actually fall for loot boxes and gachashit?

Because once they've banned Lootboxes For The Children, it'll be sex banned, violence banned and other regulations.

This. Seriously people here are retarded if they think every bill drawn up is actually heard in the senate, let alone passed

Read the bill, it's stopping the sale of them in the games period as long as they have minors playing.

>Muh free market

kill yourself

If lootboxes die EA will lose a bunch of its revenue
Gacha is basically just lootboxes so it might die

So I'm only seeing good things here

Get the government out og games reeeeeeeee.

Loot boxes and micro transactions are trash, but this opens the door for the government to start regulating content (ie blood, violence, guns, boobs, pantsu, et cetera) in games.

>Parents will never be responsible for their children in the modern world.
And that's the problem.
comeback when you have an argument. I know you're slow so take your time

Wouldn't work if the laws are brought up to bar with Casino's, otherwise high roll games would give you a kinder egg prize or something with every game like how the Yakuza beat the system.

>Why can't we sell drugs to kids?!

Based Republicans and cringe Democucks coming together to end EA.

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Gambling is incredibly regulated. What are you going on about?

>game would have more longevity if the publishers made no money off it

Are people here seriously this stupid or are they just pretending?

For our part in this. "Muh children" is just a useful argument to appeal to the muh feels lawmakers.
We actually just want it banned because it's a shitty practice that's a cancer on gaming, if we need to pretend to care about kids to get that done, then so be it.
If only AO games can have lootboxes then that's an effective ban.

>SAVE ME GUBMENT BECAUSE I'M TOO RETARDED TO PROPERLY TAKE CARE OF MYSELF

Japan have a law that make all lootboxes/gacha game have to show the chance of getting everything. Let people know what they are getting into.

Because it literally does nothing and it won't work.
It's just some politicians trying to get some publicity (like jack thompson)

shitposters who don't actually play or care about videogames and only come to Yea Forums to shitpost/spam for (you)s like myself

>I don't give a sshiiiiit
>Proceeds to sprout his opinion anyways.

It wouldn't be a problem, but Idiots like you vote.

BOOM

There it fucking is, the god's honest truth
Just give me the cosmetics, you're locking them behind a lootbox because you know it maximizes profits at the cost of user satisfaction

If a corporation is fucking the consumer in the ass, the government should step in and stop that because more often than not, the corporation does not have the common decency to lube up or even give you a reach around

Watch as people seethe because age old tactics will now be used against them

>le it might get bad in le future
how about you oppose it when they try to do any of that stuff then, not now when they're doing something beneficial?

>What if the child consents tho?
That’s your argument

I mean this should have been a thing a long time ago desu

>EA will bring all the dead studios back to make more single player games

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at least crypto is possibly worth something lmao

>lootboxes don't effect me because I don't buy them
Wrong. The progression of these games is detrimentally built around trying to get you to buy as many lootboxes as possible and spend as much as possible.

>~2017 Yea Forums: nu-Yea Forums

nice try Trumplet, nu-Yea Forums startet in 2016

I'm sorry that children are spoiled little shits and parents suck at teaching. I thought you wanted a nanny state.

Lootboxes are gambling, so it should be regulated
but it is not

>comparing loot boxes to pedophilia

I'm not a kid nor will have any so this literally does not affect me.

I want companies to make good games again instead of pleasing shareholders

>devs have to make fun games again or go under
Fucking based

fuck ea

The heroes that we don't deserve.

How about the game maker show the chance of getting everything to the players. Let they decided if they want to gambling or not.

They’re both predatory practices that benefit from the naivety of a child

>EA spooked the soccer moms so much they're going to erase lootboxes from the industry
insanely based

Literally a non-issue masking the bigger problem that is online only (streaming only in the near future) games.

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I just hope they go for On-Disc DLC one day.

Fortnite and Overwatch are targeted to minors, and is driving a lot of trends the industry. You are affected by them, and this will affect those developers and publishers who make your games.

Are you new? Nobody on Yea Forums supports loot boxes.

since when this place cares about children
wtf

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Kids will stoo posting about shit games on Yea Forums, sounds good to me

I do. Fuck consumers.

This sets the precedent for EA to go fuck itself.

You're comparing, at the worst a few hundred bucks, to life long trauma.

>Missing the point of the argument
Thanks for playing

Fuck the rich and fuck the """""""""""free""""""""""" market. Class war now.

>The irresponsible parents are the retards at that point
True, but for some odd reason the right and left generally will not accept that the parent is mostly responsible for a child's upbringing and will instead blame everything else unless the parent is outright abusive.

It means that you're too young to be on Yea Forums

don't forget BFV

People here are retarded and compare a lootbox to gambling even though they're nothing alike

depends on how the bill is actually worded. why you just post a shitty fucking title?

Defending our politicians actually doing something resembling work for once? Work that'll likely benefit vidya overall at that? Sure, sign me up.

I voted for that man, you can thank me for helping change the gaming industry for the better.

That's Korea you're thinking about, not japan

THANK YOU BASED POLITICIANS
LITERALLY THE FIRST TIME YOU DID SOMETHING THAT HAS AFFECTED ME POSITIVELY

Because they put their kids behind a tablet for several hours every day. Then they wonder why the kid they essentially fuck up from the start is buying a ton of lootboxes.

>A few hundred bucks
Do you not see the issue in that at all?
>life long trauma
Lootboxes have abused the industry for years, they are indeed trauma inducing especially for the 100 hour a week crunch time devs that work on them.

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OP, don't you get sick of reposting this and getting btfo every time?

*Ahem*
FUCK CAPITALISM.

Exactly. In actual gambling there are real random chances, but with loot boxes you do not know what is going on under the hood and how controlled the market is at the whim of the developers. There is nothing stopping devs for forcing scarcity or anything else that can fuck you over with lootboxes. Their source code and systems should be made public for transparency.

What exactly do you take issue with?

I hate how desperate these faggots are for government regulation of their hobbies. Can't anything be left alone?

Social pressure would be sufficient for most stores to voluntarily refuse sales to children. It's really the parents' responsibility anyway (you don't think underage drinking goes on all the time in current year?).

Yeah, you're gonna have a hard time getting that bullet out of your ass first

someone post the image about the guy with the 2000 dollar hat who got permabanned from steam

Social pressure doesn't exist when you can easily subvert the morals and values of the people. Self regulation is not working.

Daily reminder that this bill is pushed by casinos and wallstreet

why didn't the (((ESRB))) self-regulate?

>But, but, but my revenues
Eat shit

Based and redpilled.
>lets see neo Yea Forums defending this
It's over, you faggot shill. Suck my dick.

>social pressure would be sufficient for most stores to voluntarily refuse sales to children

Good joke.

Neo-Yea Forums won’t even give you good points on why it should be banned. All you’ll get is some meme Navy Seal pasta-tier wannabe tough guy response saying they love the Republicans and fuck trannies

defend? it's about fucking time they did this

>I can't control my spending, gubmint stop de bad vidya

>I can't stop my kids, gubmint help me parent

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Are people really defending lootboxes? Didn't most of Yea Forums want them gone before, what changed?

>Drinking liquor at 15.
I wasn't a poor, bored degenerate trying to look cool in front of inbred trailer trash parents.

Lmao land of the “free” and “anti” communists

No it doesn't. A kid isn't supposed to legally have a credit card. It's the parent's fault for giving them unrestricted access to their credit card information and technology use. Funny how Americunts make fun of our government when they support laws for fucking morons.

And they aren't. I can almost guarantee you that 99% of the people buying lootboxes are not minors. This bill is nothing more than Yea Forums being salty over not getting what they want and politicians trying to cash in on the lootbox money. Lootboxes and gachas are bad but the other side is just as bad as well. There are no good guys in this shitfest.

No, Japan does that for every gacha that can be accessed with paid currency.

Now you can see how many publisher shills post here.

Nipmoot lets shills on to drive up revenue. I hear they get a special vip pass so jannies know not to delete their stuff

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Says the traumatised straight edge faggot that thinks, having a drink with friends will turn him into the alcoholic dad that beat him up every night.

>children
Overwatch and Shitnight B T F O

>I can almost guarantee you that 99% of the people buying lootboxes are not minors

are you out of your mind? you do realize that videogames are fucking made for children and that mostly children play them?
99% fuck outta here nigger

it's post purchase rationalization. They made a value judgement on buying their lootboxes and are sticking by their purchases. I can't wait for games to go back to full feature length games without having to buy 40 dlc packs to get all the shit the game has to offer. I hope it raises the price of gaming too. That way these low money people can't fucking shit up my gaming experience. I hate having to play against BR's in a BR mode.

>the people cannot be trusted to make their own decisions
>let's democratically elect people to make decisions for us
Don't you see the problem here?

What's so funny? We live in an age where social media in particular exerts immense pressure on even large companies. Organizing a movement among your fellow citizens is faster and more effective than calling your geriatric representative.

from a libertarian standpoint yes, if two 16 year olds decide they want to go at why not? from a medical standpoint no. That's beside the point though, my point is that we have several laws in place like the child protection acts that prevent children from signing up for websites at under 13, obviously they don't work (I would know because I lied about my age multiple times as a kid). What's going to stop the same thing from continuing to happen, all I see is a fruitless gesture and a powergrab.

I don't see a problem with this, they will just have to become rated 18...and kids play 18 games all the time anyway.

N-Yea Forums
then you change the letter every year so by 2025 it spells it in full

Yeah, it's gambling...

>Betting on a chance you'll win something that has no value

A sucker's born every minute

I hope the next bill introduced bans homo pandering in games.

Fortnite doesn't have lootboxes though or does it?

*I mean I disagree with the law from a libertarian standpoint and agree with the law from a medical standpoint.

>two 16 year olds decide they want to go at why not?
Why'd you try to redirect the argument?
What if a 16 year old consents to a relationship with a 40 year old?
Are you in favor of that too?

Are you fucking shitting me? Gacha and lootboxes aren't made to pander to minors. You damn well know who exactly stuff like fgo and fifa are catering to and it sure as hell isn't the children.

Are you seriously equating kiddy diddling to a few hundred bucks and/or dumbass devs working way too long?

The free market disappeared because tourists in 2016 unironically fell for the God Emperor shilling

I haven't seen anyone actually defend lootboxes as being good, just point out the sanctimony of people trying to ban lootboxes. It's fine to want lootboxes banned, but someone trying to couch it as them wanting to protect the poor chillens or fools with no concept of self-restraint is retarded.

>15
>kid
t. manchild

no quite frankly I find it disgusting, you're the one who brought up sex while I was talking about driving laws.

It does in Save The World but that's not where the money's at.

it means that the two tribes have decided to put aside their blood squabbles and have agreed to defeat this common bad-bad together

We're talking about gacha here, user. I don't see some kid playing FGO or Granblue and sinking money into it. The law should only really apply to kids, not everyone as a whole.

I hate government regulation more than I hate lootboxes.

That in no way means I have to buy them

It means nothing

>Fortnite isn't made to pander to minors
You have to be the dumbest motherfucker in this thread right now

The initial point was your dispute of the term "minor" meaning "under 18", assuming you're the same guy. Yet you also admit there's at least one restrictive law for under 18s that you agree with. All I'm doing is highlighting your hypocrisy.
You do agree that age based laws can be justified.

Pointless, they'll just move on to battlepass and other stuff. Devs aren't suddenly going to not be greedy assholes if this bill passes. They'll just find a legal way to fuck us.

Autism.

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Um, WRONG! If a corporation creates something you MUST buy it! That's the American way!

This. I hate gacha but at least their side is at least honest about the reason why they're doing it (pure greed). The other side is putting up a holier than thou moral high ground attitude, which we all know is pure bullshit.

Yea Forums is contrarian. People here will say anything and everything opposite of what others say just so they can be unhappy, worked up, assholes.

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>We live in an age where social media in particular exerts immense pressure on even large companies.

You mean when people bitch on social media and companies hire someone to pay lip service to them but then don't actually change anything. Companies rarely change policies to placate social outrage. Companies only care about making money and a handful of fucks on social media complaining isn't going to change anything.

lootboxes are in fortnite? when did they add that?

just because I agree with something personally doesn't mean I have to support it, I like religious some religious values but I don't have to vote for politicians who put them in. It doesn't have to be an all encompassing black and white issue.

user, Fortnite is pure cosmetics only and wouldn't even be covered by this anti-gacha bill, so why are you even bringing that up?

good one user

Shitposting is based. It nets me the most (you)s.

My bad, I was thinking of Overwatch

So you agree with age of consent laws but you don't support them and think the state should allow anyone to have sexual relationships with anyone else, regardless of age?
Is that what you're saying?
You have personal values but wish for an anarchist state?
I'm not trying to strawman you, I'm genuinely struggling to understand your position here. Please help me.

Nice shit post, you don't need to buy the lootboxes, but there will always be a market for them taking up company resources that could be used to make a superior product, settling for lootboxes is just settling for worse games on the back end.

It doesnt matter. They will find a way around it. Big gaming companies have tons of money and an army of lawyers. This will sadly do nothing.

Look for the root words and you can figure this out.

>it'll be sex banned, violence banned and other regulations.

Those things are already "banned" for children. They're talking about making lootboxes illegal in games rated 17 or lower, not making it illegal entirely.

The only thing that this ban will accomplish is making games 18+ again. Sure most physical stores don't want to hold 18+ games, but those stores are already on their way out anyway.

If anything banning lootboxes will push developers to stop going for 17+ ratings and make sex and violence more prominent in games again.

I honestly don't get the whole lootbox hate. Do people honestly think companies like EA or Activision will stop acting like absolute cunts to their customers if the government bans lootboxes? They were always cunts and will be cunts as long as they exist.

I equate trauma to trauma. Debate that.

i didn't and i don't drink alcohol often [spiler]only during holidays[/spoiler], i never smoke cigarettes or weed
i guess i'm just boring person
t. polack

Maybe bring back real fucking progression systems in games you goddamned Jewish hacks.

I suppose you can put it that way, basically to put my ideology in a simple to comprehend box I'd have to say "I really think people ought to learn how to take responsibility for themselves and I'm not for continued government involvement in issue that don't concern it" That really doesn't cover all the bases though, what I want is a more free society so I'll argue for the logical extreme when in reality i'm more than happy to settle for the reasonable compromise. That way I always get at least some of what I want as a politician.

true but at the same time, many make the assumption that the profits from lootboxes go to making content for games. whether it's true is another story.

You need to do this stuff to help pressure for bi-partisan support. You aren't against going to be the politician who is against protecting children, are you?

I don't give a fuck about children gambling but FUCK lootboxes and FUCK publishers.

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Remember that console makers refuses to license AO games

Thank you user. It's hilarious that I am certain its just me who clicked this.

Good to know that you're a genuine anarchist then and unsurprising that you would be against regulation.
When you're that extreme I think we can safely disregard your input in this matter.

I don't care if it's gambling or not, it makes games worse so it shouldn't exist.

All trauma isn't the same. That's why you don't get the same prison sentance for a robbery and murder.

nice

Consoles don't really mean that much anymore, they're basically just perbuilt PCs right now, if this bill comes to pass and Sony/M$ don't let up on their AO policies you bet your ass EA will be announcing their own console so they can sell lootboxes in their games still.

>EA doesn't have shills here

>merely pretending
No, some people are being sincere in their retardation and I still dislike the sanctimony otherwise because it just attracts more sincere retards.

Well that's not very nice, but thanks for having an argument with me. I just wish parents knew how to keep their kids on a leash so government wouldn't feel the need to step in.

Get out of here you fucking cuck

who's Bill

>unironically being a boot licker

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(((they))) are in favour of it

>prison sentence is appropriate to the trauma induced
Who's being traumatized in a murder of a person with no relatives? The corpse? Who's being traumatized in a robbery of a vacant money vault? The market?

>larping as a communist

Probably actual shills trying desperately to save Shekelbergs money.

Nouveau-Yea Forums

Like honestly, if you think it's fine for old men to legally have sexual relationships with children then no one should take your stance on loot boxes seriously.

no one with a right mind here on Yea Forums will defend gachafags nor gacha shit tier games. they can all die a painful death both the devs of these cash mongers of a developers and the shitbags that consumes their shit like its part of their life

I assume the idea here is to say "you can't release a 18+ game with p2w if you aren't sure under 18s aren't actually playing" but I've re-read it four times and it appears to actually say "all digital games distributors are not allowed to publish any games with p2w"

Please someone, by all means call be dumb and point out how. This is your chance!

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this is the reality of the situation

I'm not defending it. Lootboxes can go fuck themselves.

>it's fine to murder hobos
>it's fine to steal shit if no one sees you

they will just stop making kiddie games

>Purposefully design lootboxes to prey on children and those with addictive personality traits
>Don't self regulate at all
>Uncle Sam eventually comes for your ass
WHO COULD'VE SEEN THIS COMING.

Yeah, that's what you implied.

FUCK publishers
FUCK lootboxes
FUCK DLC
FUCK beta testing unfinished games
FUCK you for not making complete games

Pretty much, had the ESRB done their jobs it wouldn't have gone this far.

You mean like what the ESRB is supposed to do?
Or what Sony's doing right now?

All I have heard about this is pay 2 win shit and having nothing to do with cosmetics-only lootboxes like overwatch

yeah right and let everyone take the consequence of devs realizing that they can literally sell an unfinished game and make millions of profit as long as you make hot waifus and its free to play. fuck your mentality dude, youre literally not thinking of the future consequences of that kind of action.

What the fuck are you talking about? You're the one that claimed that fucking a minor is as bad as spending money on lootboxes.

And people are basically letting in an even worse shit into the video game industry in their blind hatred of gacha. Everyone knows this guy has an ulterior motive and will end up making the industry way worse than gacha ever could once they have a foothold. It's like they had completely forgotten how bad government regulation has been on any sort of entertainment. Personally, I want this bill to pass if only people finally see what kind of political shitstorm they've just let into their precious video games.

>They were always cunts and will be cunts as long as they exist.

No doubt. I'm sure they'll find another way to make additional money out of a product that's already been sold. Or should I say license to use the product has been sold.

I never cared much about loot boxes, since there's no need to buy them for me. It's an obvious scam.
Parents not caring for their children and letting them fall for the lootbox meme is their fault, I'm 100% in agreement.

I've had gambling addiction as a child, spent a lot of money, skipped school, etc. And that shit sucks, I wish I never got introduced to it.

I'm just angry that no one makes any progression rewards now.
Wanna get that dumb fucking skin for that dumb fucking weapon you've got there? Well, better get to rank fuckboi, which takes a while to get. And then you can showoff the meaningless digital items to others.

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No, no, you're the one who thinks that a prison sentence is the ultimate moral compass

Smoking and drinking too

Kino

I really don't know why you faggots always equalize idealistic communism and the opressive shitshows they turned out to be, do americans not get forcefed animal farm in middle school or might that be to controversial for them?

>polack who doesn't drink
don't you get lynched for that

I don't think its fine though, and in fact you'd see me arguing against it. I'm fairly certain "kids not getting into those kinds of relationships" falls under the section of reasonable compromise and "things that do concern the government" while I get decriminalized drugs and other more sensible freedoms.

*2027*

based, art always flourishes under adversity. if 9/10 of all game developers were rounded up and shot, and the remainder were treated like a 1943 berlin kike, the resulting games would be pure ludo. uncle sam is saving gaming by shoving its dick so hard up their AAAsshole that they can't breathe.

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lol, remember when game devs actually pay players/people to beta test their games and make sure everything is fine before they sell it to the public. its so funny how brainlets are literally doing a job for free

I asked you quite clearly and you said "While I have personal moral objections I don't want any laws restricting people"
Now you seem to be backpedalling.

mine didn't, we just watched the movie

zoom-Yea Forums

why wouldn't I faggot?

Then what is? You going to hang anyone that hurts your feelings an arbitrary amount?

How would this affect me and my little buddy here?

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based bill

gambling is haram

besides sportsfags are there even any other ps4 games with lootboxes?

And I won't feel bad about it as long as I don't get jailed for it!

I think that's what most people are getting from the bill as well. The whole 'selling to minors' part is so vaguely worded that it can apply to any and every game in existence.

OG Yea Forums would have been even happier about the bill.
Fuck jewery, in all its forms.

You'll be hanged though.

>libertarians posting on Yea Forums care more about muh free market than making video games better
I have a more appropriate board for you

The majority of all the other shit that has them besides straight up Gatcha games.

>sell loot boxes to children
what the fuck are they going to do, ask your age? Because that's worked so well on every single digital outlet fucking ever
It's the fucking parents that are letting them do it

I never said I didn't want laws restricting people, a society can't exist without laws, written or not. The closest thing I said to that is that I'll argue for the logical extreme while accepting a reasonable compromise, you're misunderstanding that I'm not arguing in good faith when I argue for "anarchist" things. I'm arguing for them so I can get more freedoms where I think I need them. It's a bullshit act, have you ever tried to haggle with someone? You don't lowball them, you aim high and get whittled down to a situation where both parties are happy but you get what you want still.

Bought 'em in the past and regret it.
Digital goods you can't download and keep on your own media is worthless. Literally a scam by omission.

Fucking destroyed

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So your plan is to argue in favor of child abuse in order to gain what exactly? Some intangible freedom on your part?

Sony now requires all users fill in their personal information and CC info via their online sevices to prove their are 18 and older. No more pre-paid cards allowed anymore. Said information will promptly be stolen on a weekly basis.

>Children should be allowed to buy beer and if the parents let it happen it's their fault!
Beer is a physical thing that you have to go and buy from an adult that stands to lose their job if they sell it to minors
How are you going to age restrict something strictly digital retard?

You've got it in reverse
It's not about letting the kids consume this shit but having this shit pushed on kids by, well, pushers.
Just as you have drug pushers that try to get kids hooked to become addicts, you have game devs trying to get kids' reward loops hooked on lootbox bullshit from a young age

I don't know, how do they restrict internet porn?

No regrets, at least I didn't get a prison sentence.

>Can't anything be left alone?
It would be if EA and Activision and Ubisoft and Bethesda didn't keep pushing this bullshit.
Corporations and Government get out of my hobby, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I totally support this.
It's not even banning microtransactions you fag, just strictly the concept of lootboxes.

>Yea Forums is so retarded that people are unironically against lootboxes finally being called out as predatory bullshit and banned because "Muh gubment, vote with your wallet, corporations good government bad!"

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Good for you then user, may you rest in peace.

Except social media doesnt actually affect that much. It only affects shit that doesn't affect sales.
Because Social Media boycotts historically are very ineffective about affecting the sales of products

FUCK lootboxes
But I'm worried about the pay to win part of the bill. Depending on how you interpret "perceived value" and "perspective of a reasonable user", this could ban ANY expansion that happens to include something you can obtain that can make any part of the base game easier, doesn't even matter if there's no multiplayer.

Expansions could be forced to be entirely self-contained with no ability to use any new items, abilities, etc etc in the base game.

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Not that user, but as it stands, credit cards and online payment systems that require bank accounts are both things that only non-minors can use, which just makes this bill rather redundant.

No, and for fucks sake would you drop the child abuse shit. Never once have I said that I'm in favor of it. What I want is for these new laws to be in line with current gaming regulations instead of arbitrarily being 18 for some retarded reason. That way actual kids aren't going to be able to buy lootboxes and people who can drive a moving steel block or get married with parental consent aren't going to be affected.

They don't
You can't practically age restrict anything online because there's no way to do it without infringing on the privacy of actual adults
more importantly, no one fucking cares

A lot gamers have Stockholm Syndrome. It's not a meme. A depressed person will defend being taken advantage of for a dopamine hit.

had ESRB not been complacent to the whims of EA and the like and self regulated loot boxes as is their job then full government intervention would not have been needed. EA would still have their lootboxes and despite not making as much would still be making something.

Instead they're going to basically lose it in it's entirety and games in the sports genre will basically collapse without lootboxes funneling money into their accounts.

They earned this fate. whatever good and bad comes from the Bill will ultimately be the consequences of the misdeeds of the publishers who abused their consumers like cattle.

~2022 Yea Forums: no-Yea Forums

Age restrictions would be in line with current gambling regulations though. Hell some casinos don't let people under 21 gamble.
And I'm sorry but I must have misunderstood you somewhere when you said you "would argue for the extreme to get what I want".

This will lead to publishers actually trying to push good games that will make them their money back on quality alone and not half functioning garbage that's meant to squeeze billions of dollars from retarded 12 year olds

covering up boobies bad
government regulation good

No it won't. You act as if there weren't shit games before lootboxes.

Awkward wording aside, unless it strictly affects the consumer in a negative way I doubt someone would take your example to court.

At worst it'd be one of those "technically illegal" things that nobody not even the government cares about because it in no way impacts consumers and would be left as a fun trivia fact 10 years from now in a "10 Things You Do Everyday That Is Illegal" video from WatchMojo.

>actually trying to push good games
No, it won't. The publishers that push lootboxes now are already inclined to bad game design in the first place. In fact, the games that have lootboxes now would still be bad without them.
What will happen regardless of this bill, and has been happening, is that companies/indies will make good games without lootboxes.

This isn't quite the problem it seems; consider SC Brood War: you can't use the new units in the original campaigns 1 through 3, but of course when we play a game of multiplayer, or we are playing campaigns 4 through 6, we are playing a game of Brood War and so of course we can use lurkers and dark archons and the rest. This type of content does not run afoul of the guidelines you posted

This. It just means they're going back to the microtransaction model.

Nah, they'll just partner up with other companies and do in-game advertisements. Want in-game currency? Watch this ad. Instead of eating wolf's meat to restore hp, you get to eat Tortino's pizza rolls (tm). That also means all games must require an always online element though.

>Children shouldn't be gambling
Good thing western civilization doesn't allow them access to money to gamble then.

Non-issue.

And I thoroughly disagree with the fact that some places have it at 21 because you can be drafted to die in some desert shithole at the age of 18. That's the crux of my whole problem with this law, (and most other age based laws), its arbitrary and at many times hypocritical.

chuck-e cheese is gambling

Nou/v/eau

>Mom, can you buy this for me
Wow what a great bill

jfc its too early for contrarian threads

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However bad people thought Homefront was, the fact that gear was unlocked at random through "lootboxes" you could only get by using currency from completing missions with no real cash was great.

gambling needs a potential monetary return to be gambling
if loot boxes are gambling, then grab bags are gambling. and that'd be a stupid claim

Loot boxes are a shitty system
I prefer it when customization shit is unlocked through achievements or some kind of challenge trial

You either make your game an AO or you can't sell lootboxes, simple.

This is a positive from two angles because it makes it more difficult for kids to get access to this shit, and it standardises the AO label as something normal among video games which means potentially more porn titles.

The law does only apply to kids' games. Read the actual bill.

>noooo, how will my favourite multibillion dollar corporation make infinite profit with their mediocre products (services)

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This, only reason this is happening is because ESRB didn't do it's job

>Lootbox ban
Rest in piss Valvecucks

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That doesn't, but consider basically any expansion to a single player RPG. Oblivion's shivering isles? Witcher 3's hearts of stone/blood and wine?
You'd be hard pressed to find someone who genuinely believes those expansions are a shit business practice, but both of those happen to have new items to find which blow the old stuff out of the water, and can be taken back to do old content with.
>eases a user’s progression through content otherwise available within the product without the purchase of such transaction
Whoops, illegalized.

Most online purchases already require a credit card. How is it not AO at that point?

Corporations: Government, please stop meddling with our business!

Also corporations; Government, please protect our copyright for 120 years!

With some of their games, yes actually and they have gotten heat from it.

Difference is with their token system it's a lot harder for children to do it continuously at a dangerous rate. Meanwhile, all it takes with Fortnite is to save your moms credit card information and you can spend hundreds without your mom the wiser until it's too late.

That's exactly what is occuring now so the bill doesn't even address current behaviour. At least the most focus on aspect. The insidious nature typically get slipped in under the radar.

>gambling needs a potential monetary return to be gambling
No, it does not.

>gamble
>/ˈɡamb(ə)l/
>a risky action undertaken with the hope of success.
>"we decided to take a gamble and offer him a place on our staff"

Gambling is any act based on chance. Your definition also falls flat when I create a hypothetical slot machine that always returns one cent on every session you play. Under your definition, this is no longer gambling because a return in cash is always guaranteed.

they're going to need a sturdy tree to support your fatass

>Sure most physical stores don't want to hold 18+ games, but those stores are already on their way out anyway.
I always found this excuse to be bullshit. Maybe for purely video game stores like Gamestop, but the Best Buy and Fry's Electronics near me both stock hentai and porn DVDs right in the open. There's just a black shield over half the DVD cover. It's more exposed than the old corner behind swinging doors of VHS stores.

As long it kills EA and Activision, the ends justifies the means.

it is what it is. The market's the one that decides

If godzilla attack a city, it is quite bad.
But i gotta celebrate if he steps on EA or microsoft or google.

There are other ways.

>Kids hoarding lunch money to buy cash cards for online services to spend on lootboxes

My cousin was caught doing this to buy skins for Fortnite. He literally hadn't eaten a school meal in about six months and he was only caught because he was like a fucking skeleton.

Except the bill didn't just say only kid's games but also games that publishers are not sure if children are playing as well. How the hell can you prove that you are certain no kids are playing your game without breaking all kinds of privacy laws?

Then make it credit card only. There, problem solved.

he said "potential" though implying the possibility of an undesirable outcome

>How the hell can you prove that you are certain no kids are playing your game without breaking all kinds of privacy laws?
Same way pornography does it.
Are you 18+?

There's literally no good way to argue against it, retards are the only ones who think it's a bad thing

Okay, make the companies deliberately kill this cash cow.

was your cousin too retarded to make a sandwich at home to take to school?

credit card only is a regression in the system, itll never happen

>Then make it credit card only
And now you've just destroyed your profits in Eastern European countries where nobody trusts debit/credit cards and funds digital habits via cash cards.

The bill defines what constitutes a game targeted toward minors. Publishers can abide by what the lawyers agree upon, and if they get fined, their legal team can fight it in court

>believing Godzilla is big enough to step on google
you wish

Nothing to defend.
This is objectively the right thing to do.

>Why are you making sandwiches for school when you have lunch money?
Gee user, didn't you think that'd raise more suspicion?

kids are generally too retarded to function on their own

And how can you prove it? Not to mention that is basically online activation which Yea Forums hates just as much.

>government was very fucking clear back in the 90's with the sex/violence scandal that led to the ESRB that if the industry couldn't get its shit together and regulate itself, they'd do it for them
>lootboxes happen
>industry has years to get its shit together and regulate itself
>not only fails to do so but goes out of its way to make it as predatory and universal as possible
>government decides to start regulating for them
>"WTF WHY ARE YOU REGULATING ME"
I'm not interested in pretending the government putting its hands in the industry will be a good thing in the long run, but they only have themselves to blame for this.

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If they kill dokkan we march.

>Meanwhile, all it takes with Fortnite is to save your moms credit card information and you can spend hundreds without your mom the wiser until it's too late.

How hard is it, to not allow children access to your credit card?
>b-b-but they steal it
How hard is it to teach your child that theft is wrong?

By design children do not have access to money until they are of an age to which they typically can decide for themselves. Unless the parents intervene.

Let's just have like, no laws. Kids can steal their parents' car keys and drive around anyway. May as well just make it legal for them to drive. They're gonna do it anyway. And shouldn't the parent be the one to decide anyway?

Fuck the Government
Fuck Publishers
Fuck Developers
Fuck the people that for once in my life, made me happy to see Government interference like this

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its not hard to discreetly make a sandwich

Wow, what an awful idea. Good job

>like muh free market
>can't find any reason to defend lootboxes
Is this how people turn red?

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Oh no, eastern europeans. Those people that had been buying games at their devalued currency costs and reselling the keys at cheap prices to the west via g2a and such. What an absolute blow to the major video game developers. Woe is them.

pretty much. these are the consequences for their actions.

Or grab an apple or something.

He can take a leisure stroll over the whole thing

The kid's fucking ten, dude. He doesn't even know what discreet means.

wtf do you mean murder is illegal? what if the victim was consenting? you can't prove they weren't! it's a healthy action between two adults!

Sorry, user, but parents teaching children proper behavior is against the law.

Yes, absolutism leads to red everytime.
You have to understand that sometimes the best position is completely opposite to what you believe in, and have to deal with the consequences of the crap later.

i was snacking in the middle of the night behind my moms back when i was 10, your cousin is just dumb

It'd take months, probably will die from exhaustion before Google suffers any significant losses

Or they can fix the bill first instead of trying to force it through Congress with such an obvious legal loophold that screams 'Prepare the lube'.

>"vaguely worded"
>Yea Forums doesn't even know how to read a bill
I'm not surprised in the slightest, really.

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Get fucked shill.

i gambled alot during childhood with pokemon cards atleast you own the damn things

yeah, shouldn't the victim be allowed to decide whether they want to be killed and not the government?

I think we will need a bigger monster then.
Or a literally power hungry godzilla that goes straight for the google's hydroeletrics.

>actual retards arguing about definitions of minor-oriented games when there are definitions in the fucking bill

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>the people defending lootboxes and gacha are the same kind of people who pay for lootboxes and gacha and helped make video games this bad in the first place

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Why don't you go ahead and tell us how to interpret that line then?

well yeah. Who else would be retarded enough to defend them? The ones saying "I hate loorboxes, but banning them is a bad thing guise" are really just hiding the fact that they buy into this scam.

And it'll put the burden on them to prove they arent 18, likely necessitating an AO rating, because legally pushing gambling on kids is a massive no-no in America.

you can actually trade baseball cards

>what is universal appeal
You could also argue that something like call of duty, which historically has a young userbase isn't being targetted towards children through though that criteria.

I'd rather off McConnell.

Took me a minute but fuck that's funny

And what exactly makes a game considered 'minor oriented'? Would homos and lesbians be considered minor-oriented? What about girls in swimsuits? What about guns and violence? Does having a cartoony style automatically makes it for kids? What is the defining line that makes a game for or not for minors?

Good fuck it, lootboxes are mobile games tier cancer. Plus it'll hurt blizzard even more

What's the legal loophole? They simply need to do what a reasonable person would do to make sure the game is played by adults and not minors. If that's too difficult for them, then they can leave out lootboxes.

Nah they are just larping for (You)s, nobody can be this retarded. Even an addict would know they are shit.

Call of Duty would get reamed by H and J.
All it would take is one survey that shows its playerbase is largely

It would be extremely easy to demonstrate an intent to sell games like CoD to minors, or games like Dead Space 2's literal "your mom will hate it!" ads. The vidya community even for M games is heavily composed of minors

So play card games with monopoly money.

Reminder that Valve was the one to bring lootboxes and gacha into the mainstream.

Hoping to see their business model get shut down soon.

>it's a "Yea Forums doesn't understand that pointing out flaws in something is good" episode

cool.

Wrong, Fifa beat TF2, and ME3 as well brought them in their current form.

Make games people want to play and they will buy them.

Both games are rated M, though. Why are parents buying their underage children M-rated games?

>hits fortnite, hits overwatch

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EA had lootboxes a year before tf2 and the whole thing blew up because they went quantum jew with them in battlefront 2.

>Plus it'll hurt blizzard even more

A large successful game company before lootboxes will be hurt by banning lootboxes theoretically returning to the market conditions in which they were originally successful.

You have it backwards. Regulations improve the position of the established big players by reducing outlets for competition.

But how do you prove a game is made that only adults will play? I mean, look at the movie industry and how many gets a PG-13 rating instead of R despite the content.

I'll give you FIFA since I forgot normalfags existed, but TF2 was the first big push into lootboxes for the rest of the gamer population. After mannconomy it became "normalized" and as you pointed out many others started following the trend such as ME3.

The whole thing was going on for years before BF2. You couldn't go a week without hearing about a new CSGO scandal at one point.

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Even if it's ironic trolling, it brings back memories of the MannConomy update and how fucking hopeless the future felt for everyone.

Rape Simlator
or Gore Death Nightmare Blood Rending Edition (without catchy promotional video)

1: Because most stores dont check 2: parents buy them for kids or kids get them online without legal restriction and 3: M is 17+, not 18+. Legally, you can buy an M rated game at 17 and still not be legally old enough to gamble at a gambling establishment. Which is a problem for gambling, because theres no way to differentiate the 17 and 18 year olds. Further, companies KNOWINGLY market those games to kids, as seen with Dead Space in particular.

You don't, really, since video games are designed to appeal to manchildren, so children by default.

>returning to the market conditions in which they were originally successful.
you act as if activblizz is anywhere near the same level of competence as they were before.

Csgo scandals were with betting sites having their owners shill for the site without disclosing that they owned it. Battlefront 2 went viral because ea marketing is retarded. And star wars has magnitutes more reach than csgo.

The bill says constructive knowledge. That's the criteria you need to prove. Lawyers can decide what would be considered constructive knowledge of minors playing their game.

those 14 dudes are shitposters

And what makes CoD a game not for minors as compared to something like Baldur's Gate?

If this was a bill that targeted all online gambling it'd be fine, but I don't like them specifically targeting video games.

is this actually going to change anything or is it just going to result in games being given an M rating or an age gate like porn sites

>BoneCraft is safe
Oh thank god, I can get my Elf Puhssy Box

Children shouldn’t be gambling with real money

>pay $5 for a one in 100 chance at a paint splattered can opener to stab brazilians with
thank you government for acting in the interest of the children

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CSGO brought about a huge amount of discussion regarding lootboxes since children were using those gambling sites which was just a consequence of the existing crate system enabling them. You had a lot of people calling for regulation or at least for Valve to get their shit together. It was a very big topic that went on for months and only died down through a combination of conditions.

I'm really looking forward to trash like stickers/gun skins to be completely banned from CSGO if this bill passes. Tick Tock.

As if any of those things do anything.

>he hasn't eaten cookies without parents knowing.
lmao just tape the bag shut again

>fgo and fifa are catering to and it sure as hell isn't the children.

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Nice try, EA.

Once this bill goes through, you and your company are finished

>~2007 Yea Forums: Yea Forums
That was New Yea Forums
Pre 2007 pre Fox News report Yea Forums was Yea Forums

But now you're just refering to the extremities. Anyone can see how that is catered to adult. What about games where you get to use guns or swords? Where would such games fall under this bill? What about games where there's slavery, sex or scantily-clad females? What about games with cartoon violence?

Afaik valve banned all the betting site bots. And gun skins/stickers provide no competitive advantage. Honestly your beef seems to be with valve and not lootboxes.

Manchildren, yes.

>Video games are going to stop being censored safe trash so they can put lootboxes in them
Not sure how I feel about this.

You're ignoring the fact that many of the "established big players" stock value is currently inflated because of these microtransactions.

If your "outlet for completion" is obnoxious microtransactions and you can't survive any other way than preying on consumers than you deserve to die

>one in 100
if only

user, if lawyers cannot figure out the difference between art and something obscene, what makes you think they can figure out something like this?

>you act as if activblizz is anywhere near the same level of competence as they were before.

Half the gaming world is going crazy over WoW classic at the moment. They will be fine regardless of lootbox ban.

Besides, if they aren't competent the only way they can hold their position is through reducing competition.

M rating on everything would be fucking awesome though. Huge, bared tiddies will return to vidya and all who oppose will realize they're powerless to stop it.

Is it advertised like castle clan crushers saga or is it advertised like dark messiah of might and magic? Advertisement towards children seems to be the language in the bill. More about presentation than substance.

This bill is going to ban lootboxes in general due to "gambling" though, not just ones with "competitive" advantages so it really doesn't matter. Sorry you're not sufficiently familiar with the topic in your deflection from Valve.

Devs can create those games without lootboxes, or add in lootboxes and prepare legal staff to deal with any possible consequences. The additional revenue from the lootboxes should easily offset the legal costs

I think you misread. My point was that minors are a specific demographic targeted. Go play a cod game on a friday night and if you had all their birthdates pop up i guarantee at least a third would probably be minors.

Also, BG came out literally 2 decades ago, and to my knowledge lacks an online random store, unlike CoD WW2

>children need to learn
>it's not their money

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Fucking GOOD.
Fuck kikes and fuck lootboxes.

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>provide no competitive advantage.
how is that even related to this discussion. Instead of hoping for big money pot, kids gamble for the big skin, which is literally the same thing and can get kids hooked just like any form of gambling does. You still can literally sell your skins of money though.

If I give my kid 10 bucks, it's my kid's 10 bucks.

FUCK the free market
End plutocracy now
Fascism now

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>give
lmao

How to stump a 'fascist' in 2 words:
What's fascism?

>t. exec

Literally why the legal system exists. So people can make their argument, and a judge decides.
>I wasn't driving recklessly by swerving between cars! In my opinion, I was in control the entire time!
>If the prosecution and I cannot agree, then there should be no law against reckless driving!

Advertising has nothing to do with the actual content though. I get what you're saying but advertisements should not affect the age rating of the product otherwise you have a completely different set of problems outside of the video game industry.

>Let the kids drink alcohol whenever they like
>>b-but the children
>The irresponsible parents are the retards at that point

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If it passes.

People are too stupid to make the right choice most of the time, I hope the government bans them

Are you retarded? Weapon skins also provided no competitive advantage yet they still heavily preyed on kids.

>If your "outlet for completion" is obnoxious microtransactions
The outlet for competition is undercutting the big players by releasing the game for free, while paying for running costs through voluntary microtransactions.

How do you compete with free? Make it illegal.

The Yea Forums sentimentality of nitpick nitpick nitpick is fucked because there's legal documents with fucking definitions. But fuck reading if it doesn't glow, right?

>equating the disapproval of shitty money milking systems to being a gommunist

you're more retarded than the cia niggers

b-but muh free market goyim, how will I afford that new yacht?

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Support from both major parties.

Baldur's Gate got a rereleased and got a Teen rating. The point is how do you prove Baldur's Gate is correctly labeled as something made for minors while another game is not?

"We want to rule America." That's fascism.
Fuck kikes
Fuck shitlibs
Fuck bankers
Fuck fags
Fuck niggers
and fuck YOU

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You fucked up the context of the sentence, but yeah, the parents will be responsible for their children drinking. Retard.

You can go to any 7/11 or Wal-mart and buy a Steam card or a Battle.net card or probably an Epic Games card with cash.

when something is so bad that everyone agrees it needs to be dealt with

It's consistent with tobacco and alcohol regulation though. It's why Joe Camel went away.

It’s the same distinction they use for traditional gambling (some places even use 21) get over it. Idk why I’m even replying to you since anyone arguing that minors should only be

I'd vote for that

>muh kids
CSGO is rated M esrb.org/ratings/Synopsis.aspx?Certificate=100491&Title=Counter-Strike: Global Offensive

Except needing to prove what game is made for which age demographic is entire subjective. Is something made with cartoony graphics made for minors? What about talking about abortion in a positive light? Is hitting someone with a sword the same as shooting them with a gun? Every person has their own idea what is made and not made for children and. You can get 3 judges together to talk about this and get 30 different responses.

>all these pretend contrarians

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The point of cards was never truly for trading. They began to be traded as people would only want cards for players on their favorite specific team or specific players. Trading cards now have hundreds if not thousands of very credible sources to buy and sell cards as well as simply trade online and in most cities.. making the 1.99 to 3 dollar investment for a kid less greedy feeling and actually opens potential social doors for a child whom may not have a lot of friends into collecting cards or playing a card game. A loot box in a video game is an egregious system used to pilfer money from people who think they have decent odds of getting 'cool' or 'interesting' items. They are designed to open in a flourish that catches the eye of children. They are marketed typically in groups of 3, 5 or 10 all basic math multipliers. They're sold for .99 cents to 1.99 which to a child means literally no money as they haven't yet grasped the concept of money and how quickly it can be spent. It's a disgusting practice and every time I see a person in the industry who I respected, defend them I lose more hope in the games as a whole.

>"We want to rule America."
>That's fascism.
It's also democratic republicanism, meritocracy, plutocracy, monarchy, oligarchy, totalitarianism, dictatorship and every other thing you can think of.

Ah i wasnt aware it was re-released. Ultimately the authority is going to come from ESRB/PEGI, and typically there's overlap between the scores (ie., PEGI 18 games typically get Ms in America). But the most important aspect is still going to be a legalese issue of who can be the target market for gambling. From a legislative standpoint, its easy and attractive to say "gambling = adult only" for the same reason films cant show explicit vaginal penetration and avoid an adults only rating

If you wanna throw out retarded gotchas then why would I engage with you
Thanks friend

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None of the people who use the >muh kids argument actually care that kids already shouldn't be playing M-rated games, so that's a losing argument if trying to convince them.

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>>le it might get bad in le future
>how about you oppose it when they try to do any of that stuff then, not now when they're doing something beneficial?
Because politicians don't run on video games, and never will

But you're just proving my point that the advertisement has nothing to do with the actual product though. Tobacco tried to target to minors with their obvious not-for-minor products. The opposite is true as well.

So you restrict in-game purchases to direct CC only. EZPZ. There are already games that won't let you use your Google Play account money.

>If I give my kid 10 bucks, it's my kid's 10 bucks.

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Nailed it. I'm not interested in the government sticking their fingers into more of private sector, but when you constantly draw ire from so many people and not do a thing about it, you deserve to reap what you sow.

>at least it's not the government.jpg
fuck libertarians
I'm so happy it's a dead movement

I am fine with people hating on lootboxes, only thing that pisses me off that they use kids and retards to strenghten their arguments. As if anyone on Yea Forums gives a flying fuck about kids or gullible retards.

Again, you're literally describing why the legal system exists. The entire reason the accused can defend themselves. Or why there is a jury of peers. Or why precedent is used. Why we have court of appeals. Lower courts, higher courts. Common law.
There have been many legal issues more controversial than lootboxes and games targeted toward minors that have been decided in court. Nothing is 100% right or 100% fair. If that was the criteria, there would be no laws at all.

Even your
>Fuck kikes
>Fuck shitlibs
>Fuck bankers
>Fuck fags
>Fuck niggers
>and fuck YOU
lines are all applicable under democratic republicanism, meritocracy, plutocracy, monarchy, oligarchy, totalitarianism, dictatorship and every other thing you can think of. 'Fascism' is as nebulous as a term gets. You're a philosophical and political plebeian, user.

If you want to take that subjective angle further.
Lootboxes are just a condenced barebones gameplay loop.

people just look at you weird and you become five times more likely to become an outcast loner
t. another polack

Are you trying to argue something or just be funny?

Not the argument