Will it flop?

its going to flop and no one is going to touch streaming games for the next decade.

>tfw stadia was first announced on E3 year ago
hold me bros times goes too fast

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>Will flop?
Yes

If the cost of playing a game is effectively the same as on a console/PC, with comparable quality, but I don't need to buy/own a PC/console, then I'm absolutely in. I couldn't care less about 'owning' games since I never re-play them once finished.

nah, it's fine

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Normies play games on their phones, they don't give a fuck about no nerd controller shit.

DP cable bandwidth = 21.6Gbps. Even with 500 Mbps internet your ingame colours will look like shit, Only those who only watch youtube walkthrough will enjoy it. And we don't talk about FPS, lags and bandwidth usage that can goes more than an actual game size in 1 hr on 1080p/60.

I think everyone has forgotten about it

It won't affect Sony's complete domination of the industry.

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>as shit as it may be
I forgot Stadia even existed. It's going to fail.

you're not going to forget when it's literally everywhere on every social media sites, stadia button under every game videos on youtube, first match on google, etc..

Unless they give them away for free in kiosks all over the world, no one is going to bother buying it.

Hopefully it does flop

No. Normies don't want to have extra peripherals and bullshit lying around their house just to play candy crush.

iPads or mobile are the be all and end all of normie gaming.

And anyone who take Vidya seriously will have a console that has good games attached to it with better performance

..so far they only showed it off to developers, that public happened to learn about it at same time is just a side thing

real advertising hasn't gone full steam yet

I remember hearing about the Ouya everywhere too. That went well.

I’m pretty sensitive to any changes of the sort, but I can deal with a small amount of latency in online play. It doesn’t mean I don’t notice that shit though - just playing on a friend’s subpar tv without “game mode” turned on irks me

Not really, although this is the future of gaming. Once you can reliably stream games in amazing quality without the new for the hardware...I mean how can people not see this is the future. Internet connection speeds simply arent there yet. I have fiber and it's great, but we're still 10 years off from it being spectacular.

I wouldn't compare ouya nobodies to google

not saying it'll be successful, but you're gonna have to deal with its existence and having it in your face for a pretty long time

Google Plus and now recently Youtube Premium is being shoved on our faces too, G+ died out, and I'm sure no one wants YT premium.

online play lag isn't so bad because animations still have no delays

with streaming you don't even see the result of your input right away

It depends on the pricing structure. If it's run as a service, and there's no large up front cost then I think it has a lot of potential to do well. The main reason normies and women play games on their phones is that they already have a phone, and so if they want to play a game they dont have to invest in whichever shitty console they might choose. The Stadia gives another low upfront cost option. I expect this to be marketed almost entirely at people who don't currently play that many games. If they make you pay a console sized price tag upfront though it's guaranteed to fail

It will be surprisingly successful, and Google will kill it anyway in two years

That's true.

>Literally taking a mold of the Switch Pro controller and making a few edits to the buttons

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they'll probably try to push it harder in case of stadia

this need a whole different set of hardware and preparation worldwide and you just don't pull the plug on that easily

things like google plus is just a service running on their standard stuff

No they literally could not care less, most normies had 0 issues with the horrid input latency in RDR 2.
They don't give a fuck.

They'll care about dropped frames.
Streaming video works because you can buffer frames and negate stability interruptions, the same can't happen for video games. There's no buffer. It's going to be fucked.
Dropped video coming to you that creates stutter, dropped inputs from you going to the server causing your character to keep running and fall straight off a cliff.
It's not going to work.

>they are going to make this the future even if we don't want it.
What if we get the government involved?

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I hope it flops, because I hate streaming, and if it takes over I'm pretty much done with video games.

What normies are you referring to? Normies play games like sports games or your latest fps AAA shooter. Hell, the frat bros I went to college with all good office jobs, have the ability to wfh and thus got a good computer and play shit like overwatch....regardless, they still bought a gaming PC. I'm married, 30 and have a pretty normie job as a senior recruiter. You have people that dont play vidya, people who do but it's not their life, a few nerds that do and it is their life or women who don't matter or count anyways. Even kids like my nephew or stepmoms grandson play fortnite on their phone, but said they prefer it on a console or PC because "graphics and controls". The newer generation doesnt mind dropping 2 grand on a gamer PC but we live in a much more technologically-accepting world now. Toddlers grow up with iPads.
Again, the only normies I know is the guy who married when he was 22, had kids by 25, and is knee deep into adulthood or women.

Google is notorious for abandoning projects, even good ones. This is going to be the definition of jank and no one has heard about it since its announcement. I give it a year and a half tops.

I had a friend show me how “good” a game looked on his computer (I think it was Divinity 2); It was running at

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The have the ability to test something out and see if it catches on or flops because they print money. They're just "notorious" for it because most companies dont have that luxury.

Don’t forget that the vast majority of normal people don’t even have the internet required for an “optimal” streaming experience

this goes beyond lootboxes user, they are literally going to sell us games as subs and we are going to pay to play whaterver they like and want and whenever they like it.

>”graphics and controls”
The fuck is happening

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Why they're able to do it doesn't matter, they still do it and I think Stadia will be one of those cases. Even if it does catch on, which I don't think it will, it will eventually be abandoned. Might take years, but it will happen.

The mistake is thinking that because the internet is good enough to stream netflix now then it's good enough to stream games, it's not.
That buffer is extremely important because while internet speeds can go very high these days there's still no connection anywhere that has 100% stability, dropped packets will always be a thing. It isn't a problem for video but it's a huge problem for games.

What? It was only announced a few months ago

What if we get the government to ban that?

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America's internet isn't good enough.

Meh, I'm not a consolefag so I'm not all that worried about Stadia.
It aims for the lowest common denominator of shit eaters who are fine with half a second of input latency, shit image quality, and mediocre performance, so it's unlikely that it'll ever find a foothold on PC.

tip top kek

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kek

Streaming games will be the future, just not like this. Streaming inputs out to a server, having the server process the input, and then sending back streaming video is like the most retarded way imaginable of handling it.

When this does finally stick, and eventually it will, it will be like an evolution of how current MMO type games work. The service will install the backbone of the game on your machine, where shit like collisions, input processing, and game logics will be handled natively. Your system will render graphics natively. You will still need a good processor and GPU. What the company’s server will do is it will process AI offsite and communicate AI movements (code already exists for translating player movements with lower ping, doing it with something as predictable as an AI routine will be fine) and it will stream assets into your system’s memory; textures, shader code, mesh objects, etc.

Essentially the game will work like any open world MMO, except the art assets will stream in and out from the internet instead of a disk, and the AI will be treated as a bunch of (computer controlled) other players.

It will probably roll out from an MMO maker as an experiment, most likely to make the game fit on phones or other low-storage-capacity devices in the age of 80GB games. When it catches on, that will be the system that whatever ultimately winds up being The Spotify of Videogames uses.

Stadia’s methodology is inherently flawed.

what would even be the point then. that idea makes no sense

I took 13 years and normalfags outraged to get them to even look at lootboxes, this shit is going to be harder than that

You mean like how the Wii U pro controller was an xbox360 mold with right thumbstick and buttons swaped places?

normies touch their glass rectangle and a game starts immediately. bringing a controller or online connection or an account into it guarantees all those people won't even bat an eye

Actually the lootbox ban happened because the senator who proposed it didn't get the Overwatch skin he wanted.

like google+ and youtube red?

is this the thread where we post stadia-tan porn?

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>And anyone who take Vidya seriously will have a console

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>DoF, Motion Blur, vsync, etc. on by default on med settings
>15 fps
>turn that shit off and crank the textures/models
>45 fps

Beach Solder 76

It may flop but streaming games seems to be the future wether we want/like it or not. Next gen could very well be the last gen of console hardware we see.

>visit friend who recently got a PS3 and wants to show it off saying graphics are amazing
>his PS3 is hooked to his HDTV that has hdmi... with the composite cable
>PS3 is set to output in 4:3 aspect ratio and the TV is stretching it to 16:9
>he sees nothing wrong with any of this
>decide to fix all his shit, bring a hdmi cable the next day, use proper ratio
>tells me it looked better before

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Honestly streaming is probably the future.

Sometimes I use PS Now and it's fucking awesome to play games immediately without waiting for them to download.

ofcourse

Google/Alphabet will realize it's not feasible and will slowly defund it, it's vaporware.

There's way way WAY more infrastructure work to do before this kind of streaming solution is feasible, the US' data infrastructure is overpriced trash.

the "best" thing about stadia is that it's running linux+vulkan so now AAA devs will have an incentive to make a linux version

and then won't release it to the public because denuvo doesn't run on linux, and their game is safer on stadia

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>I mean how can people not see this is the future

Not owning your games is the future? Being tied to always online is the future?
Zero game preservation is the future?

You sound like a fucking out of touch Californian trying to peddle fools gold thinking online game streaming is a gold mine. Game streaming is the Fort Knox of DRM and not consumer friendly at all. Renting online only games that will disappear after publisher retaining fees expire, you're fucking stupid. Forza games get delisted digitally after some time once car dealership contracts expire all the time and that's just one genre. I don't even need to talk about audio compression, video compression, and controller latency because buzzwords won't rework the speed at which data travel from cables to cables.

Fuck you California tech shithead.

I won't touch it.

This is why you don’t befriend 70 year olds

Modding will never work with streaming, inbred.

>>tells me it looked better before
this is why i stopped helping people. the odds of gratitude these days are so fucking low it's unreal

>Implying consolefags care about mods

Most likely yeah.
Everyone else is going to be doing the same thing as well, especially now that Microsoft and Sony have partnered up just for this.
The only way I could see it going anywhere is by creating their own games for it that people want to play. If all they have is existing games then I don't see it being much better than what's already there.
Not to mention Google has a history of killing things off quickly and quietly without warning if it's not meeting their expectations.

>mfw when this becomes a success solely because of 70-year-olds playing casino games all day

>if
you mean "when".

name something google created (not bought) that succeeded. obviously not counting their initial search engine success

forgot my face

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>Gaming industry makes more money than hollywood
>2/3rds of people in america already play video games including mobile games

Are you really saying that the remaining 1/3rd of america will get a controller and get a subscription fee just to play a video game? That sounds stupid and highly unlikely. When everyone already has a phone and a game can be instantly downloaded anytime and yet gaming penetration still hasnt gone beyond 2/3rds of americans, it's highly unlikely and impossible that people will suddenly go and buy this service just to play games.

Gamers care about performance and the others that dont wouldnt want to pay a subscription fee to play video games since they're a lot more involved and requires more time investment than watching a movie or listening to music. I dont see there being any way streaming games will ever succeed in the future.

I don't see this going anywhere unless you've got fiber and a streaming center at less than sub-5ms round-trip
And even then let's assume it's successful, it's just gonna be netflix 2.0 in term of bandwidth bottlenecks and every major ISP in Europe are gonna shit themselves because not one will foot the bill to spend millions on routing/bandwidth upgrades. The internet will become virtually unusable at peak hours so you better start enjoying those 360p twitch/youtube stream right now.

No. It was already a laggy, fucked up mess on the show floor during the presentation. Not everyone lives in silicon valley, has 1gb+ bandwidth, or unlimited data internet. Early reviews from trustworthy outlets will be vomiting distaste for it while the usual suspects will eat the shit and try to sell you on any aspect they can find redeemable.

>the input lag was horrendous
>the video quality terrible
>game selection lacking
>BUT THEY HAVE 100 GENDER OPTIONS IN THE ACCOUNT PROFILE SETTINGS! STADIA 4EVAR 10/10

>Press A button
>Doesn't work
>Mash it until it works

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>probably using a server that likes 2 steps away directly connected to this with sub-1ms ping
>still lags just from encoding/decoding overhead

AAA companies will never have to make good games again. They can just put broken, buggy games up and just pretend like they'll fix them.

..heck if you want to remotely hope for any decent video compression, you _need_ to know what's happening several frames ahead and will always force a decent base delay

unless you want to start sending every frames compressed individually over 1000mbps connections because of how fucking huge it'll be

I didn't even consider what Stadia's console-tan would look like.

This image is pretty generous, desu.

I think the idea is that they're using machine learning to predict future frames to simulate the same compression used for pre-rendered video

It's a google product, they'll shut this down in 5 months.

Why does it look like he was ready to send that controller hurdling through the air towards the nearest window?

>And anyone who take Vidya seriously will have a console
>console
kek

What’s sad isn’t that a gender slider is available, but that it will be the major factor for a few people to use and stick with the platform

>having it in your face for a pretty long time
Yeah, like my dick.
*grabs dick*

>unless you want to start sending every frames compressed individually over 1000mbps connections
You can get decent results locally with Steam IHS and GameStream/Moonlight and it doesn't take 1Gbps, with delay in the 10-25ms range, so let's just say it's just over a frame at 60FPS. Quality isn't absolutely perfect but it can be very good with sufficiently high bitrate, like 1080p 60FPS works pretty well at 50Mbps and 4K 60FPS looks very nice at 120-150+ Mbps, especially using H265.

The problem of course is that Stadia will not be able to use that sort of bitrate and it will suffer from increased delay due to network transit as well as some jitter or packet loss over the internet, so it will be significantly laggier while also looking like highly compressed shit. I mean, we've already seen videos where people who tried it said that even 1080p looks significantly worse than something natively rendered, there's basically no way I believe them when they say they'll provide high-quality 4K streams.

I already consider local streaming unbearable

10-25ms doesn't sound like much in an online game (animations, camera movement, etc.. isn't affected), but with streaming it feels absolute shit

if you also add internet lag on top, then that's just beyond shit

There are low-latency P-only modes for H264, and I'm sure newer standards have it, too. And there are hardware encoders/decoders, right inside your CPU and GPU.
I think the main problem will really be the latency, varying network conditions that fuck up video stream, dropped inputs, and latency.

"low latency" for streaming is counted in seconds, and only for 720/1080p, dude. It might be ok for your Ninja streams, but not for playing yoursef

>I already consider local streaming unbearable
I guess you consider regular console games completely unplayable then, as the input lag those suffer from due to most using VSync at 30FPS is much worse than a local network stream of a 60FPS PC game. It's not so bad for me, I don't use it for competitive games or generally speaking fast games where you have direct camera control with the mouse, but other than that it can work pretty nicely I think. You can also stream at 120FPS I think, though I haven't personally tried that.

Latency and bitrate will be the problems. Low-latency encoding modes produce worse quality for the same bitrate and a service oriented towards the general public will not be able to use high bitrate, as high bitrate directly decreases their addressable market (fewer people with good enough internet) as well as increasing the per-client load on their datacenters. I think a lot of people don't even have their own WiFi working well enough to handle a high-quality stream, throwing in a hop across the internet as well just sounds terrible. Latency is of course going to be unavoidable to some degree as well.

make sure it's a tarp

Like everything, it comes down to games
If Google has some solid exclusives and assuming the service works reasonably enough, it'll be a success.

No decent exclusives? I can see it'll flop hard unless maybe if they can undercut everyone else on price, but that doesn't seem likely.

I'll be surprised if it has exclusive, it'll just try to expand its catalog with existing games much like PS Now

it's also running linux+vulkan and will need to convince devs to make a version for it

don't get me wrong, streaming is the future. Way too early for that though, Americans still have data limits on their Internet. I expect streaming to fully kick in 10-15 years with platforms that are "Netflix but with games"

Yeahhh
That's why I don't have much confidence in the system. Maybe if they stick to it rather than throwing it in the bin when it doesn't instantly get popular like a lot of the things Google kill off. I imagine there's some potential for Android developers to make potential decent stuff on it, but then we all know what mobile devs are like...

even if she asks nicely?

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..well, one thing I wouldn't be surprised about is releases that are..

PS5/XboxInfinity/Stadia (and not PC)

AND then people will start defending stadia saying that it's great and they can play the game on their PC with it and don't need shitty consoles

It won’t sell the hardcore set are also the early adopters and the masses follow the their lead and the hardcore set won’t buy a streaming service.

Now, please, rephrase your post so that people other than you would understand.

>Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?

Holy crap user that's hilarious, I work fixing computers and people always bring me slow ass computers claiming they have viruses, they always have 2 antivirus, some sort of active cloud storage, speed launchers and all sorts of shit, everytime I clean their shit they complain that I deleted their programs.

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yall keep posting the wrong one.

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This
Hell I’m in California for Coast guard training and the service is still ass out here.
It only gets worse from here some areas still have fucking dial up for Christ sakes

wtf u talking about?

technically wasn't even announced to "gamers" yet

it was only shown at a conference for developers, that's also why advertising for it isn't out in full force yet