Is this actually a compelling motivation for a villain...

Villains can't win user. Otherwise they wouldn't be villains, now would they?

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I had such a boner when Dad finally got out of his prison.

>FarCry 5
>last panel is villain saying how about no

Fuck whether or not it's a good motivating factor for a villain. Guy got insane power and went all Evil McDeathpants with it. He gets to die.

Now, the "we have friendship and are unbeatable" is overused bullshit at this point. Looking at you and your "Our entire reality was deleted, but it actually survived because of HAPPINESS AND LOVE" shitfest, Star Ocean 3

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>Have there been any villains like this who actually won instead of just being BTFO by the heroes at the end of the game?
Well, if you think about it, the main antagonist in Xenogears actually succeeds in his goal.
>Gets the superweapon to nearly destroy the world
>Actually gets to go with God into another dimension
>The hero actually forgives him after he got a lot of people killed and subjugated
Karellen is top player.

Dead By Daylight
>Philip Ojomo came to this country without anything than hope for a new beginning. He was happy as he got offered a job at Autohaven Wreckers. A small scrap yard where bribed cops turned a blind eye for the somewhat shady business that took place. Ojomo didn’t care. He had seen criminal activity up close in his homeland, and as long as he didn’t get involved, he let things be. He just fixed cars and handled the crusher. Something he did really well. A car went in, a small, metallic cube came out. It was not until one gloomy day that he, just by accident, saw some blood coming from one of the un-crushed cars. As he opened the trunk he found a young man, gagged and with tied hands with panic filled eyes. Ojomo freed the man who managed to run ten feet before Ojomo’s boss stopped him and slit his throat. As Ojomo demanded answers he got explained to him that he’d been nothing more than a simple executioner as more or less every car had a soul in them as this was a "service" the scrap yard provided to certain "clients". Ojomo snapped and went ballistic. He threw his boss in the crusher and let it slowly compress, as the head stuck out, Ojomo grabbed it and pulled head and spine out of the body. Then he left and was never seen again.

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Yea but from the villain perspective the player is the villain.

this, the hero is the one who wins and lives to tell the story

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>girl in real life says this
>next day shes humping my leg
>next day she tells me she wouldn't even fuck me
>next day shes pulling me into the bathroom

why are girls so confusing

Except his outlook changed when he found a magical murdering TV and he realised he could have more. It wasn't just about friends, it was about the fact he wasn't rich, famous and loved by everybody like idols were, or well respected by the towns folk like others were, or was able to better himself like others were, or have a family and so on.

That's a box that writers force themselves into. It's not that an antagonist has to lose, just that it usually wouldn't work well if the protagonist doesn't win.
There can be no-win situations or mutual stalemates, but maybe those are too hard to write in.

it's a compelling start but it rarely develops into anything substantive, idk about the second question

A girl used to hump my leg in biology class when I was 14 odd. 20 years later and I still wonder if I should have asked her out. I have a feeling I knew what would happen if I did, however.

where can i find these qt tank girls

Don't. Any girl that comes onto you like that is just being a flirt and will likely break your heart. You're better off finding someone that you have a good time talking to. Intimacy is being friends with someone but you also have sex with them.

>villain commits evil acts
>talks about some shit that has nothing to do with his bad actions
>Yea Forums sucks his dick

The villian of yesterday is the hero of today

Dealing with teenagers is fucking tiresome

>Villain starts his discuss
>No option to shoot him in the middle of it
Only game that ever did this was Alpha Protocol and it felt so good.

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He's a sociopath though, he can't see the world like that.

Yeah. She used to squeeze my arse, put her arm around me, sit on my lap (lots of girls did despite me being a bit of a freak as I was 6'2 at 12 and my head looked huge compared to everybody else, even cunt teachers mocked me) so I had a feeling had I gone 'Wanna fuck?' or 'Wanna go out?' she'd have laughed in my face and gone 'HEY EVERYBODY, user WANTS TO GO OUT WITH ME HAHA' and shit, since she was hot.

So, I probably did the right thing...

Yes, again he was a spoiled brat.
the scooby gang just told him "nuh uh, you're stupid"

In fact this really falls in line with the Dojima partner theory, because Dojima would be the only one to tell him why he was in the wrong.

Hahahah I knew a girl once who used to be always mean to me but then I suckerpunched the cunt when she wasn't looking and I knocked her the fuck out! Next day she at least treated me decently. Was fun though.

>in fact he even was friends wtih Dojima but didn't see this.

Doujima was a fucking asshole and the only reason we're even slightly positive about him is because the game tells us he's sympathetic.

equal rights equal fights.

Alpha Protocol also let you execute all three of your love interests, only one of which really betrayed you. Fun game.

(Oh I guess the Roman girl lives)

dont want one

Fable 2

>t. Woman

Some fat fuck used to be a cunt to me and one day I knew if he did anything to me I was gonna fuck him up. He did. I started on him, the 6'10 teacher and one of the hardest kids in the school held me back, I twatted both of them and charged the other guy, picked him up by the throat in one hand and slammed him on the wall, he tried to do panicky face punches but I stopped it with my other hand and said 'you ever touch me again, fat fuck, I'll do you in' and he never did a fucking thing after that.

I learnt years later he was a fag, so he probably was acting out or wanted my boipucci. I got in trouble too for that, despite it being self defence, mainly for hitting a teacher and another student. No major punishment because I regularly stood up to bullies until I got told not to by teachers and they knew I'd sue the fuck out of them for failing to protect me.

>they knew I'd sue the fuck out of them for failing to protect me.
>we don't want you to protect yourself because you'll get hurt
>so we'll let you get hurt

I think it can be handled fine. The only motivation for a villain that you see somewhat often that I really dislike is when they do something obviously immoral but they have some dumb speech about it being for the greater good at some point. When they're so blatantly villainous for the most part but are given some dumb reason to believe that they're actually in the right it just makes it seem like the writers wanted to make a villain who seems like they have grey morals and complex motivations when in actuality they're just evil but are given something aside from just powermongering or something like that so that it'll make retards say "X did nothing wrong" and shit like that but without making the villain so justified that you'd side with them over the heroes, who are still obviously in the right because of how blatantly evil the villain is.

Essentially, I had gotten into fights a lot with bullies but one time didn't fight back because he and his mates had blades. Got told not to stand up for anybody any more all that shit. But I had enough that one time, school was nearly over, had nothing to lose. School didn't care as long as you didn't do anything about it. But when I obviously hit a teacher they'd knew I could bring up all the old stuff.

>NOT JUST MAGICALLY ATTAINING THEM
Yu straight up does magically attain them though, Izanami says the power of Persona attracted people to him. Also that's not the moral of the story, it's about accepting yourself and facing the truths about yourself that you might want to reject.

The villain can win in Undertale

That remids me that a boy of my class stole my lunch so the next day when he was running I punched him in the face hard enough to get him on the ground, kids are bunch of psychos so it's better to let them know that you're not holding back

>Gets bullied
>Copes with it in a way that hurts way more people
>People push his shit in
>WAAAAH BUT WHAT THE FIRST MEANIES
Fucking retarded, moron deserves it

>Is this actually a compelling motivation for a villain?
As if half the lonely fucks here wouldn't be villains if given the power

In terms of story and characters:
P3 > P5 > P4

Persona before that? May as well not exist due to sheer irrelevance.

Anything can be compelling.

Honestly prefer games where there's no clear-cut villain and 'good guy', but also not bullshit moralistic pandering. Just motives, reasons, personal biases or experiences, vying against one another.
It's a lot more satisfying than "EVIL GUY VS TEAM LOVE AND FRIENDSHIP".

rape her

If given powers I would just go full mr. manhattan and leave this planet after helping anyone who was nice to me in my life. Fuck this planet man, the minute I get the opportunity to go to another universe or just fuck off, I'm taking it.

There's no reason to be a villain, people are good enough at making themselves miserable. Just leave and explore the universe on your own, senpai.

Well I don't really agree, but we all have our opinions.

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Why should society be held responsible for someone who personally decides to misuse their powers to hurt everyone else that wasn't at fault for a statistic that represents a very small part of life? Why not point out the villain never grew up?

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>believing in the truth and justice
lmaoing at ur life m80

What if they remade Persona 2 and changed nothing but gave it graphics on par with persona 5. Would people like it?

He eventually got bored and became a villain anyways though

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Being a villain would suck because everybody would hate you. The galaxy brain move is to enjoy doing horrible things to acceptable targets.

I don't know, I haven't played P1 and 2, and I won't until I play if... and I won't play that until after P5R.

Yeah capeshit writers are fucking shit. His arc and character should have just ended when he fucked off.

>Given the ability to improve society as a whole by influencing culture with your godlike status
>Uh Im just gonna leave lmao
Pessimistic Nihilists like you make life so boring You don't put effort in anything. You're a bottom-feeder, bystander that doesn't contribute anything positive nor negative. You never crack a genuine smile, engage with strangers or even get upset.

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If I had powers I would be villainous, but I would only do it so I could act edgy and live out my chuuni fantasies.

Dojima was a neglectful dad and an asshole boss. But he also brought the coworker he was a cunt to come home with them, eat their food and be a part of the family because he knew Adachi was struggling. And with Yu's assistance he finally sorts himself out and becomes a more present father for Nanako. He wasn't a bad person he just let his life go all askew from how poorly he handled his grief over his wife.

this desu
I don't wanna hurt people, I just wanna wear black capes and fingerless gloves and give edgy speeches about the hearts of men

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I don't know well enough to make this world better. If given that power I'd just make a bunch of superheroes real without telling anyone and let them do a little good, see if that inspires me in how to affect more beneficial change for everyone.

>You don't put effort in anything.
I do, though. I put plenty of effort into my own projects and like making things to see them come to life. I'm just a schzoid who can't relate to people, so outside of work I just come across as a sociopath/autist.

>Micromanaging society with literal social experiments
Let me give you an estimate for success: 0%
Godlike beings rising up from nowhere and immediately interrupting society on a global scale is a good fucking method in totally screwing up and rewriting deeply held beliefs by billions of people and starting a domino effect you won't see coming.

>Have there been any villains like this who actually won instead of just being BTFO by the heroes at the end of the game?
Do you actually want a game where you loose even when you win or are you just being pedantic.
Every Far Cry game except the first one especially 5

>the scooby gang just told him "nuh uh, you're stupid"
Is there anything wrong with this rebuttal? The dude was so far gone that he somehow thought killing 2 women because they didnt feel like sucking his dick the day they met was just.

This, I want to give JRPG villain speeches about nihilism and shit

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And why do you care so much about others?
Did a mysterious stranger save your life?

Sounds pretty fucking sweet to me chief

Yu still attains them by his own will. Izanami gives Adachi the same fucking handshake and look what happened to him. Fucking Mugatsu Izanagi which is literally corrupted by Adachi's shitty mindset of seeing himself above everyone else and above friendship.

Jesus was a normal man who was held up to godlike status and still is 2000 years since his death. Imagine dozens of those at a single moment in time in the modern age. Shit will not be pretty.

No because it plays like hot garbage from start to finish.

>Have there been any villains like this who actually won instead of just being BTFO by the heroes at the end of the game?
Well, Daimon does get BTFO but he still 'wins' in the end.

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>Yu still attains them by his own will
His first 3 friends are just given to him as with every one of his party members. The actually interesting characters though are the ones you have to seek out I wish the social link friends at the school were your party instead of the shit heads we got

I know, but they're still magically attracted to him, so I would hardly say the point is that you're not supposed to magically attain friends.

>The initial problem which caused this issue is never addrtessed
Maybe because by at this point the villain has done so much evil and killed so many people that he cannot be redeemed of his actions? I think most people here remember when Naruto said "he was the coolest guy" and everyone thought that was bullshit.

He doesn't turn down or be a creep to Chie and Yukiko while Adachi probably would. He isn't an asshole to Adachi like Yosuke probably would.

Yu accepted people, Adachi pushed them away.

Yu still earns and maintains their trust in him. Natural attraction does nothing.

If I got godlike superpowers I'd give people powers, mostly huge weeby chunni teenagers
Maybe they'd become heroes and fight me, maybe they'd also be villians
I'd obviously have to smurf my abilities when fighting them but I'd be a huge chunni with a demon in my hand and nobody's gonna stop me

Well of course I won't see it coming. That's my goal, to make myself aware of options I had not previously considered. Of course, I would begin with humble heroes, ones not looking to make great societal change. I could add other varieties at a later date for further data, but randomly distributing powers wouldn't be an option, it would likely produce too many villains.

Isn't an asshole to Yosuke like adachi probably would be. Fuck.

JUDGEMENT KNIGHTS OF THUNDER

Because I avoided a disastrous future by improving my life significantly and finding happiness within myself to never hold grief against others and to continue to improve. A lot of people don't find the opportunity to move forward because of a lot a bad luck, depression, obstacles, etc. If I had absolute power I would take up the throne and do my best to break apart a lot of the arbitrariness too many people have to face.

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Does it count if the villain just wants to stop his waifu from dying and he actually wins in the end?

Yeah I know it would be really funny

>Natural attraction does nothing.
It does, but even putting that aside, the point of the game is still not that you can't or shouldn't magically attain friends seeing as the first step in Yu's relationships is magic even if he maintains them himself, and it's not even something he or Adachi knew about, if they wanted to make that be the moral of the game then they would have known and Adachi would have expected friends but not gotten any because he put in no effort unlike Yu. Adachi pushes people away where Yu befriends them, but neither of those things push any kind of moral about how you can't magically attain friends nor does any character ever try to argue for or against that point.

He was pretty respected by the town just by being an officer, just not respected by Dojima, but even then Dojima still brought him over to his house and fed him a lot.

>All the villain wants is to undo the deaths of his family through altering time
>Moves heaven and earth and does terrible things to gain the necessary power
>Actually defeats the heroes and gets his chance to turn back time
>Time only moves back an instant. No amount of power would ever be enough to do what he wanted, and he is crushed by despair. Everything he did was futile.

But Yu doesn't magically attain friends. I don't know where you're getting this magical attraction thing from. Chie was initially curious about him because he was a transfer student, and then Yukiko and Yosuke came naturally. Teddie he helped a lot with realizing and accepting who he is. The other party members he saved their lives, how would you not be friends after that?

P4's morals about finding friends and accepting yourself and being your true self around people who accept you are perfectly valid.

Stop watching anime and expand your horizons to other storytelling mediums before you shit your terrible opinions out into the thread like this.

I remember seeing a part of a chapter of Ben 10 in which a sorceress actually wins and sacrifcies millions of people to some god to bring her father back to life. Then the father gets disgusted that so many people died "for him" so he nullifies the deal, and goes back to being dead. I wonder if she kept being a villain after that.

>Maybe because by at this point the villain has done so much evil and killed so many people that he cannot be redeemed of his actions?
This is why it's best not to have an ideological villain if you're gonna make him go full retard and start massacres left and right. Save that shit for goal based villains who can at least pull the "ends justify the means" excuse

Reminds me of Prince of Persia 2008. Worst ending ever.

What game?

>Yu still earns and maintains their trust in him
He saves them from the metaverse and they all immediately jump on his dick, you never have a moment in which any of the party members have to be convinced to join.

>metaverse
fucking p5fags
play the game

>Metaverse
disgusting p5onli
and yeah no shit you saved their lives, of course they're going to want to repay the favor.

>not using your ultimate power to bring humanity into the space age, with robots taking care of all the hard work, leaving people free to create art or educate themselves, creating a new golden age of peace where humanity spreads to multiple galaxies and befriend alien races
>he would rather bring super heroes to life and turn the world into a giant battlefield where countless innocent lives are lost everyday

Pitiful, most of you are not ready to handle ultimate power.

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you're a villain for being inactive and allowing terrible things to happen

...

Izanami says that people were drawn to Yu because of his powers. It's here at 7:30 youtube.com/watch?v=ua6WmL_0LaI

I don't think P4's theme has anything to do with friendship, it has a lot of friendship in it because it's a cheerful game with characters who have made strong bonds with one another, but most character's arcs are rooted in accepting a truth that they're running away from, even in S. Links, not in anything to do with friendship or anything like that. The truth is its theme, not friendship, and certainly not that you can't magically make friends. Adachi's reasoning for not having friends isn't even that he expected them to come naturally and I can't think of any instance in the game where people argue for or against that notion in any capacity.

>One word immediately causes persona fags to descend into name calling and entry infighting
Christ that series really is for dumbass teenagers

Guess we're all villains then you dumb motherfucker

>outs self as someone who hasn't even played the game he's talking about
>immediately damage controls
okay retard

I like stories where the villian suceeds in their overall plans but perish in the process. So they aren't around to see it fully come to fruition, but die knowing they have "won" in a sense.

Is that guy going to fist his ass? What game does this?

>Adachi was a fucking baby that had every opportunity to make friends, in fact he even was friends wtih Dojima but didn't see this.

That's the point of Adachi though. He's an actually accurate representation of the kind of person to become a mass murderer. Basically just a more philosophical Elliot Roger.

Wakfu

While I do think you are right, I believe Friendship is also a theme the game wants to focus on, at least I felt it waaay more strongly in P4 than I did in P3, its easy to see why most would confuse it as the main theme. Hell, even the anime has at the end of each episode the phrase "Bonds of People is the True Power"

I wish more games had the villain loose but live and is forced to watch everything he tried to achieve fail while he rots away in prison. It's a better excuse to not have the hero kill the villain than "you'll be just like him" bullshit

>Doesn't refute any points
>Sticks to name calling instead
Pot calling the kettle black

You are an ass hole to. T. Asshole

lets be honest
all persona games other than 1 have shit combat

what is there to refute? you proved that you haven't played the game you're discussing, so there's literally no point in further discussion

nah 2 is way worse than anything 3-5 have on offer.

I think that's just because P4 has a more SoL feel, and for better or worse, not much of P3's cast even feels like friends most of the time, even at the end of the game a lot of them don't feel like friends if you ask me but I think they were all supposed to feel like friends at that point. Either way, while I definitely agree there's a strong focus on friendship in P4, I don't think the game has anything to say about it or tries to explore it in any capacity unlike how it handles the theme of the truth, I think it's just a by-product of the game, in addition to P3, already placing a focus on bonds between people right down to having a mechanic based around making friends as well as P4 having a cheerful and friendly tone that has the least emphasis on the plot of P3-5 and the most emphasis on the character's goofing off and getting into hijinks.

I'm still waiting for my power. Anytime now.

>That guy who wrote The Hero's Journey based off of Star Wars ruined entire generations of story writers
PEOPLE CAN RELATE TO SOMETHING THAT ISN'T HUMAN, OR EVEN HUMANOID, FUCKWITS.

Fuck off Garou, we've already talked about this you delusional faggot.

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>tfw you can't actually undergo a ritual to become a lich and simply observe life forever without having to worry about being too hot, too cold, too hungry, or needing to take care of dumb shit like trimming finger nails, sleeping or having showers. Just existing and observing forever

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It's hard to write those and also be an ending that can satisfy your audience. Especially for a videogame, if your audience pours 30+ hours of their life into something to get a stalemate ending, chances are they're going to be upset.

Whether that's a good thing or not depends on the writer, I guess.

I like trimming my finger nails though.

Say what you will about the series but Saitama's verbal take down of Garou's philosophy was top tier

I love each one of you.

>if your audience pours 30+ hours of their life into something to get a stalemate ending, chances are they're going to be upset.
Stalemate endings can work but only if they're part of a series and not the end of the story

because I'm 29, have never had a girlfriend, live alone, and look forward to my own death

The MA arc is a masterpiece

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Just give the boy his god damn Coke

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No, because the issue is that being bullied and being lonely aren’t sufficient reason enough to lash out at people with an excessive amount of violence
You’re entitled to protect yourself but not to enforce your will against others
On a side note, I feel like XB2 handled the idea of power of friendship JRPG stories wrll

Oh hey, it's explosion psycho.

Where's the manga at at this point anyway? I haven't read it since Sweet Mask fought the guys with Do-S. The manga didn't seem to be handling the whole arc too well though, it was a bit of a drag. Although, because I hadn't been reading OPM or any other manga in that time, I started reading Golden Kamuy which is very good so I'm glad I had my attention taken away from OPM and the other things I was reading at the time.

It's back on track and thankfully orochi has been blown the fuck out, latest chapter was Tatsumaki ripping out Psykos' puppet, BS vs Atomic is probably next.

Next chapter the webcomic cadres should start to BTFO the S Class heroes.

The MA arc is goddamn near perfect and a nearly perfect ending. I don't know how ONE can surpass it or how Murata's remake can even compare (apart from art which is fantastic) since it's mostly (good) filler but still filler that's dragging it's feet and filling everything with necessary OCs like a Marvel retread of a classic event

>Saitama has just BTFOed the head of the MA
>Tatsumaki is about to fight the evil psychic chick
>We still have a LONG way to go before we get the good shit like Black/Gold Sperm and Hobo God

huh?

yes, the answer to his problem was told through out the story. When he even called them out saying "you got free stuff" instead of saying they worked for it they just said "SHUT UP!".

even though that has never once worked agains their shadows.

What if the villain also has fiends?
...I mean friends?

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Poor writing

The true irony is that he did something that even the god of time himself could not have done, he accomplished a literally impossible feat, but it was for nothing.

Sorry, user. I could get you the lichdom while still needing to take showers if you want, but the fingernail thing is kind of central to the whole package.

That's alright, I'll just be human, being a lich is kind of gay anyway.

>Main villain is just a lonely pet dog that wants to be his dead owner again
>Causes the deaths of countless innocents just to be with her again
>Doesn't even understand the moral implications of the shit he pulls not because of some self serving twisted logic but because he's simply following his nature as a dog to be with his owner again
It was as if the writer watched the Jurassic Bark of Futurama and used that as the motivation for their villain.

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If it was only an instant than it wouldn't even have been as much of a gut punch. If you go beyond the impossible and got actually nowhere, then you can sort of throw your hands up in defeat. There was never any way you could have made it. But going back 20 minutes is a not-insignificant amount of time on it's own, just nothing compared to what he wanted. He was on the right track but it was woefully out of his--or anyone's--reach.

>I had gotten into fights a lot with bullies but one time didn't fight back because he and his mates had blades
like you just knew they had them, or they had them out but refrained from using them? give me a story, user

Drakengard 3 makes you feel like the villain for the first half.