Why would Spirits deconfirm anyone when Mewtwo and Lucas were the same in Smash 4...

Why do you think Ridley, Inkling, K Rool and Simon weren't DLC for 4? They were selling points for Ultimate instead. Waluigi has normie appeal and Skull Kid, Geno, Hayabusa, etc have boomer appeal.

It didnt need spirits before then. besides you cant use it as an example its not part of the FIghter Pass

user... that's literally why smash gets a million clone fighters, Dr. Mario literally borrows mario's moves but with different effects, by your logic though, it sounds like you'd argue they actually aren't the same moves but just similar, which is retarded

>the tons of piranha plant species didn't need spirits(and still don't have them)
>a literal fucking bike did
user I don't understand your logic here

stage one: denial

come with spirits

good thing Rayman and Shantae have like....2 spirits at most currently. also that second doesnt at all explain Mewtwo and Lucas having trophies. My thought is that by the time Roy was considered it was AFTER the idea of DLC had been made which explains why he unlike Lucas and Mewtwo did not have a trophy despite being a Marth luigified clone. Mewtwo and Lucas's trophies came about before DLC was considered. same as spirits. in Smash Ultimate.

DLC for Ultimate was decided in advance, DLC for 4 was decided sometime during development after the trophies had already been made.

a third party character already having a spirit in the game but not being a fighter should be blatantly obviously not becoming a fighter, think about that for one second. if you have the license for a character and you are intending to make them a fighter would you:
>use the character's license immediately by putting things in the base game for literally no reason
or
>hold off until they release so you can do a blowout of fanservice
jesus the delusions of you people are just getting sadder and sadder and I fucking love Rayman.

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OR the list for spirits was started on by Nintendo WELL after the spirits for the game was completely finalized.

user... think about it for one fucking second. either way they are still licensing the character and have to actually implement it. Even if they decided the list before hand, if they were planned to be DLC and were supposed to come with other spirits, they still would've had the option to step in and hold off until their respective DLC released...

MEWTWO PREDATES DEKU NUT ITEM ZOOMER!

Are you fucking retarded?

IN TERMS OF IMPLEMENTATION TO SMASH 4 SPECIFICALLY RETARD HOLY SHIT

but what if they werent planned for DLC initially?

>Nintendo makes deal with WF and Ubisoft (to use examples) to get spirits of Shantae and Rayman
>after/close to release of game and people know of the spirits support for the tw grows as Nintendo notices this when they begin planning DLC.
>They then go to make another deal for DLC

> Citation nedded

Mewtwo predates both Lucario and the Deku Nut you stupid fuck.

Stop posting this autistic shit, we've explained it hundreds of times.

Lucas and Mewtwo were characters that were already Smash characters, they belong in the game whether people pay for DLC or not, it does not make sense to downgrade a character from "playable" to "literally nothing" unless they have a reason like if they lose the rights to a character.

Spirits deconfirm characters because there are literally 0 spirits that would have a reason to exist if the character depicted was also playable.

Every Smash game since Melee has had trophies of it's playable characters, Smash Ultimate has spirits of 0 of it's playable characters, including Joker who was the 1st DLC. Yes, falseflagger, I know you're about to post an image of the Star Rod spirit, which has Kirby in the image, but that's not a spirit of Kirby, it's a spirit of the fucking Star Rod, which is why it's named "Star Rod", same goes for EVERY spirit, not a single one is a playable character, the closest they get is alternate interpretations of a character like Kaptain K Rool or Sports variants of existing smash characters, who again are not playable because they are not actually the same character.

see you fucking retard

>Samus is a clone of Lucario
>Joker is a clone of Bayo
>Ike is a clone of Marth
>Robin is a clone of Joker
>Ridley is a clone of Megaman
>Marth is a clone of Lucina

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this would be reasonable if the DLC WASN'T ALREADY DECIDED BEFORE WE EVEN KNEW WHAT SPIRITS WERE

does nobody on this board know how to read or something? holy shit, the amount of people misreading this post is absolutely retarded

>Dozens of Mario spirits, including ALL of the main enemies and many irrelevant and relatively unknown ones
>ZERO spirits for Piranha Plant, one of the most well known Mario enemies

It's obvious they decided not to do spirits of characters they wanted for DLC, there is literally no valid reasoning to explain why "Nipper Plant" and "Petey Piranha" would be spirits, and yet Piranha Plant is not one. There is no reason why Piranha Plant would be skipped when fucking Pidget, Eggplant Man, and Big Urchin would be chosen as worthy while again, zero forms of Piranha Plant are chosen.

It's literally demonstratable, autist. Castrate yourself before you breed, even if you'd never have sex we don't want your sperm ending up in a sperm bank.

>misreading
If you didn't want people calling you a retard then you shouldn't have posted like one.

THE

DLC

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DECIDED

BEFORE

THE

GAME

LAUNCHED

SAKURAI

CONFIRMED

THIS

Hmm

So? we still cant just assume they allowed spirits to basically delist any character from their dlc list.

>posts about how in the context of smash 4, various aspects that make up mewtwo's moveset were already implemented so it's not difficult to make him playable
>anons take it as "THOSE ASPECTS CREATED THEM AND EXISTED BEFORE MEWTWO"

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Why the fuck doesn't Doshin the Giant have a spirit?

Not only Doshin, but other Nintendo IP's didn't get shit either

> Pro Wrestling
> Gumshoe
> Endless Ocean
> Geist
> Startropics

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The teams work in close relation to each other and most likely the spirits team would be aware that the DLC would come with spirits, wouldn't you think that if the spirit's team knew the DLC, they'd think to hold off on including them until the DLC was out?

I genuinely think Nintendo straight up forgot they owned some of those ips. Startropics though is easy, it's a western made nintendo IP that never released in Japan, so a Japanese development team would have literally 0 idea what that game is.

no cause spirts were done well before DLC.

Except we can because Piranha Plant exists autist, they wouldn't have skipped a Piranha Plant spirit just to put Nipper Plant and Petey Piranha in instead.

Like, literally wrap your brain around this simple concept for a second: Nipper Plant's spirit evolves into Petey Piranha in Smash Ultimate. Now tell me, is there a more logical character to evolve into Petey Piranha? Why yes, Petey Piranha actually isn't an evolved Nipper Plant, it's literally an evolved PIRANHA PLANT. So why didn't they have Petey evolve from Piranha Plant's spirit? Becuase they didn't fucking add it to the game because they knew it was going to be DLC, you autist. There is no chance they would have Nipper Plant evolving into Petey instead of Piranha Plant unless they had a rule preventing Piranha Plant from being used... which there IS.

you act like it wouldn't take 3 seconds to just remove them or make them at least not show up on the spirit board until the DLC released...

Doshin could be DLC, but there's also the chance that it's just forgettable and not relevant.

None of the IP you've mentioned are big enough to demand any content in Smash, even content as small as a Spirit. Yeah, Doshin had a trophy before, back when his game was relevant.

They finalized DLC before the game came out retard, if they chose a character that was already a spirit they just cut/paste the code outside of the game and then can paste it back in when the DLC comes out.

i fucking wish, bros

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Because in Smash 4, DLC was decided on after the main game finished production. They started working on Mewtwo as soon as the 3DS version was released.
In Ultimate, DLC was confirmed to the staff at the beginning of 2018, when the game was still being worked on. They didnt finalize characters until Novmber 2018 so odds are the majority of them will be 3rd parties since it took so long to get clearance for just 5 characters.

Trophies don't deconfirm but Spirits do because DLC was being negotiated alongside the main game.

>asking a retarded question 6 months after the answer was available

spirits deconfirm unless we get more dlc, which is really unlikely after that one sakurai interview

some of the third party spirits are fucking stupid though. i think geno's and mallow's are the most baffling. why pay the gargantuan amount to square for the rights to use a couple of their pngs and nothing else? fan service isn't an excuse because they're just shitty pngs. it just seems pointless.

> there's also the chance that it's just forgettable and not relevant.
> None of the IP you've mentioned are big enough to demand any content in Smash,
How the fuck can you say shit like this when there is spirits for games like Sutte Hakkun, SimTower SP, Prince Saruno, Tomato Adventure, Cubivore, Hajimaru no Mori and a ton of more obscure shit?

Absolute retard, you deserve death for even saying shit like this in a serious tone.