Is this still the best 3D Mario game ever made?

What is the best way to play this game today if you do not have a N64?

I always liked the 2D games more. When it comes to 3D I always found that Mario games always had something that annoyed me.
>64 Had the get N get out mission structure
>Sunshine is incredibly buggy
>64 DS has crummy controls
>Galaxy games were just boring for me and the controls can glitch out when navigating small planets

It wasn't until Odyssey that I finally felt perfectly happy with a 3D Mario. I didn't necessarily hate the other games (I've played all of them a few times), but Odyssey just really clicked with me. And if you count 3D land/World as 3d Mario (I don't) then you could say they were my favorites when they came out.

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Wii VC with the gamecube controller

My beef is that up until Odyssey, Nintendo had been slowly removing moves from Mario since Mario 64.
Mario 64 is the most advanced moveset 3D Mario up until Odyssey. The long jump and side jump were nerfed to hell and back in 3D World and Land, and I don't think we ever got dive and backflip back.

Why wouldn't 3D Land and World count as 3D when they clearly are?

Try again brainlet. I like Nintendo way better than Sony and I like the Mario series in general. But later Mario games are so vastly superior as to completely eclipse 64 and make it obsolete aside from historical relavence.

The controls were FANTASTIC. Ask any speedrunner.

Osyssey has long jump, dive, and backflip. Not sure about sideflip but it doesn't matter because sideflip was just a worse backflip anyway.

hurr hurr durr

Not after the release of Odyssey

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Emulators.

terrible game. bad graphics. very boring.

Yeah, you can make Mario do so much in 64. That's one thing I really disliked about Galaxy. Mario's options felt so limited in that game. The spin replaced all the combat and I guess the jump you got from it was supposed to make up for everything else. I think that the backflips is has technically been there since Galaxy, but I think I see what you're saying. It's based more on the super jump from 2 now more than a back-flip.

Because "3D Mario" as we know it isn't just an extra dimension. There are certain moves and mission structures that coincide with that. 3D Land/World are structured like 2D Mario games. Calling Land/World 3D Mario implies that it's supposed to be like 64/Sunshine/Galaxy when it's objectively different. They're a combination of 2D and 3D with the gameplay and level design leaning closer to the 2D titles. That's why they emphasize the "3D" part. It's because it's 2D Mario with a 3D spin.

TLDR: 3D Mario wasn't a proper transition for Mario, but rather a completely separate style of game. 3D Land/World is a proper transition.

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It's interesting how 64DS was a precursor for 3D Land and how all of those games influenced Odyssey more than anything. From how Mario moves to being able to use enemies as powerups. We really are in a new era for 3D Mario.

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>it has the worst controls out of all of them
Which neurological disorder causes people to struggle with the controls in this game?

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nope

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jet force gemini. Go buy it you pleb

but user...

are you blind

FF7? Jarpig shit. MGS? Moviegame shit. Half Life? Corridor shit.

Why was fifth gen so garbage?

I don't see how that's relevant

I think so. I'd say Sunshine and Odyssey are also up there.

Kirby 64

you don’t see much apparently

>dont see
Yeah no shit

If we wiped Mario from the minds of the entire planet, we could re-release MB3 and SMW with tweaked graphics and they would still be considered great platformers and probably sell pretty well. We simply couldn't do that with 64 - it's aged like milk. It's even worse than Sunshine. Anybody who didn't grow up playing this game can see this pretty objectively.

>Anybody who didn't grow up playing this game can see this pretty objectively.
I don't think so. Mario 64 is just fine. It has plenty of issues, but it's nowhere near bad. You're exaggerating or just haven't played the game to think that.
>But I played it on VC
You mean you played an objectively worse version of the game. If you aren't playing 64 with a 64 controller then you aren't playing the intended experience and your opinion holds no actual weight.

I'm one of the people who grew up playing it. It was the second video game I beat, after OoT. I've never played it on VC but I imagine anything has got to be better than an N64 controller.

I don't think 64 is a miserable game. It's probably one of the best non-Banjo Kazooie collectathons of its generation. The problem is its controls and camerawork are pretty poor by modern standards even if they were good for their time. Plus, collectathons are just a cheap trick to stretch out a very limited amount of material into a 15-20 hour experience - they've largely died off as a genre after the late 90's/early 00's for a reason. Both galaxies offer a way more fun 3D mario experience and Odyssey is at least more fun to parkour in.

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Disgusting soulless Odyssey fag

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>liking banjo kazooie more
this is how you spot not only someone who is very stupid, but someone who is very boring.

They only died off because they wouldn't sell well with today's "I'm too edgy and mature for these kiddy games" type of gamers. This even includes little kids themselves that see themselves as too cool for kiddy platformer games.

It actually has the best because they're the most grounded and physical.

>Both galaxies offer a way more fun 3D mario experience
No they don't.
>Odyssey is at least more fun to parkour in
Christ.

People who don't like SM64 are shit at it. That's literally the only reason one would dislike the game.

>Anybody who didn't grow up playing this game can see this pretty objectively.
I'm a zoomer and you're full of shit.
I can say without a shadow of a doubt it's the best controlling 3D Mario. Odyssey is only better because it supersedes it in other aspects.

>Poor camera
I totally agree. If I have to fight the camera at any time then it's objectively bad.
>Anything has to be better than an N64 controller
I disagree. I haven't played it on VC, but after playing other games like DK 64 on the WiiU I came to the conclusion that the 64 has to be the best option for all non FPS games. I guess I can't say too much since, like I said, I haven't played specifically Mario 64 with anything but the intended controller.
> It's probably one of the best non-Banjo Kazooie collectathons of its generation.
Honestly is was always my least favorite.
>collectathons are just a cheap trick
This is more or less an opinion. I love collectathons and always have.
> they've largely died off as a genre after the late 90's/early 00's for a reason.
That was because most of them were cartoony and that was a time when realism started taking over. People said that 2D games were outdated and stopped making them as frequently, but look where we are now. Collectathons/3D platformers are making a huge comeback right now.
>Both galaxies offer a way more fun 3D mario experience
I don't think so. Both galaxy games are way weaker and not as enjoyable to me. I'm not putting 64 on a pedestal or anything, but Galaxy bored me quite a bit.

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refute it 5th gen babies

I'm the user that you're replying to. I was really disappointed when we didn't get to explore the entire castle, but I was happy to see it anyway. You can cry over that game all you want, but that doesn't mean you can just make me into your strawman.

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>p-please give me attention!

Why do fags ALWAYS complain about the camera? I never once had a problem with it. Is just in specific areas?

It's still the best 3D platformer ever made.

No Mario Odyssey is the best since that's the only one I've played. But even that one was a 6/10, shows you how shit the Mario franchise is

It's been a while, but yeah mostly in specific areas. Bowsers levels, tick tock clock, and rainbow cruise if I'm remembering correctly.

Most of them don't even know how to use it properly and can't be bothered to learn because they're zoomers with ADHD.

Half the people I watch doing let's plays of the game don't even try to use the C buttons.

late 90s was peak gaming
you're just a buttmad zoomer with no attention span

Buck Bumble

Not better than 3D Land/World so, no.

Super Mario Odyssey is better

>Half the people I watch doing let's plays of the game don't even try to use the C buttons.
jesus

he owns it my bro

Just imagine how brain damaged the kids growing up now will be once they are adults. Simply holding the N64 controller would make their pleb minds melt with confusion.

Stop the generational chauvinism. The N64 is a bottom-tier controller.

It's fine. The only flaw it has is joystick durability, which is easily mitigated with a little elbow grease.

the controller may suck, but the kids who won't even learn the controls and then turn around and say the game has bad controls are retarded
not "I dislike them" retarded, but actual "too stupid" retarded

>THERE ARE LITERAL ADULTS DOING LET'S PLAYS ON YOUTUBE THAT DO NOT EVEN REALIZE TO PRESS THE C BUTTONS IN ORDER TO CORRECT THE CAMERA, THEY AREN'T EVEN CURIOUS WHAT THESE BUTTONS MAY DO

No stop defending retarded people.

Why did Yooka-Laylee fail?

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You're thinking of Sunshine.

They're retarded

>get N get out mission structure
This doesn't happen in Mario 64? And also there's nothing with retrieval missions in general.
>Sunshine is buggy
Like what?

They have level timers and lack the mission structure and exploration of sunshine/64/odyssey

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To be fair autists do enjoy Mario 64

Lack of soul

I think it is and I’m always right and I believe everyone who disagrees with me is not only a homosexual but also of African descent. And not the friendly funny accent kind but the nigger American African sort.

according to my wife:
>dialogue is abominable, voice acting too, characters are all snarky jerks
>gameplay is slidey
>story is garbage
>object design is bad, everything has eyes

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Thanks, I've been looking for that version.

>Grab star
>forced out of level
>Jump back N
Get N get out. Sunshine has a ton of bugs in many different areas, like on the bridge in Pianta village. It's little stuff here and there and it all has to do with how Mario interacts with stuff. It's the buggiest 3D Mario. Not a total bug fest, but still worth mentioning.

Absolutely based. 5th gen was one of the worst gens. For the most part, the even gens, 4, 6, 8 were good while the odd gens, 3,5, 7, were bad. Hopefully the 9th will finally be the one to break the cycle and give us 2 good gens in a row

>those swimming segments
OH NO NO NO NO

Your wife

>energy meter

Right, because what you're describing is a different problem altogether. I'll admit that it's not great about Sunshine and 64 and I prefer the Banjo approach, but still.

>tonnes of bugs
You list one example, which I have never encountered in any of many playthroughs, nor have I ever stumbled across or heard reference to.

Then the Galaxy games would fit with 3D Land and World.

I've played Sunshine several times and even managed to convince my friend in our last playthrough. I don't have to prove anything to you at all.
>Different problem
I don't know what get in get out means to you, but clearly you jumped to your own conclusion and have your own definition. You sound like a fanboy.

Oh shit nigga, you just got your hands on 11 10/10 games.

I know they're put into the same category by Nintendo, but they play completely differently. They aren't similar at all when it comes to overall gameplay.

Then cease posting.
>fanboy
lol

Shut up and play it, faggots.

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