So I want to get into metal gear solid. Where do I start , what games do I play, what games do I skip...

In this order:

1, 2, 3, 4, Peace Walker, 5 (5's story is shit), then play Rising for the hack n slash fun.

>start with whatever one you wish. 2 is a good entry point though.
kill yourself, faggot.

>I started with 5 but felt kinda lost...
No shit sherlock.
MGS games NEED to be played in the order of releaes. It's a big, linearly progressing and expanding story, no matter how the time-periods jump at times.

If you ask me, you're best off ignoring MGSV even exist, and ending the saga with Peace Walker.

>skipping Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2

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>Where do I start ,
Either the 1987's Metal Gear,
OR the 1998's Metal Gear Solid.
In latter's case, at least read the summaries + watch the Briefing File videos you find on the game's main menu.
>what games do I play,
All the numbered ones + PW.
MGR if you wanna see how bonkers shit gets after MGS4.
Metal Gear: Ghost Babel if you want MGS but in 2D, but non-canon plot.
>what games do I skip?
Five and PO.
>And most importantly, is it worth it?
100%.
And before you ask, the easiest way to get the whole canon series is to buy the MGS Legacy Collection for the PS3. Includes 8 games in total.

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skip Rising
it's not canon and garbage

Thanks guys. Here is a (you) for your trouble

MG1 and 2 are completely skippable my dude, MGS1 has a complete summary of both games so no one had to go back and find them.

no it fucking isn't. none of it is linear or chronological. i mean you might as well start with 1, i guess.

Thank (you) too

>tfw got the original edition of Legacy Collection with the nice artbook

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Lol no. If you want to fully flesh out Solid Snake, you absolutely cannot skip the first two. Not to mention they're fun as hell.

none of it is linear, it only toys with chronology.

>tfw got the same set signed by Kojima himself a few years ago at a game dev convention

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>no it fucking isn't.
Yes. it is.
>none of it is linear or chronological.
False. Even besides the obvious direct sequels , every single MGS game is built on the assumption that you've played the previous games, using knowledge you should've gained from 'em as the stepping stones for the new content.

>i mean you might as well start with 1, i guess.
No, you WILL start with "1", be it MG1 or MGS1. Period.
What kind of mega-ADHD moron starts watching an epic tale with the later chapters, and not the BEGINNING ?? Did ya skip Fellowship Of The Ring as well ?

>none of it is linear
The way the story's details are introduced to you and important characters are fleshed out is indeed linear throughout the whole series, such as everything surrounding lalilule and Ass-a-lot. Not to mention MG1 through MGS2 is indeed all linear story, that even progresses in a chronologically correct order.

MGS 1 is best game in the series and best one to start with
if you like it you might try 2, 3 and then if you want some more 4, Rising and maybe 5 and PW
Twin snakes is a joke, it's one of the games those are so bad that they are good, don't try it before playing all other games tho

MGS1 revisits their stories, but MG1 and MG2 are great games and worth playing. MG2 is one of my favorites of them all.

>5's story is shit
You say that like MGS4's and PW's stories aren't also shit.

Just play the original MGS and meme about the rest.

Twin snakes is great. First person does fuck some parts up, but don't listen to people about the cutscenes or dialogue. Snake jumping off a rocket and doing somersaults is, for some people, completely out of place... In game with a literal mech, psychic terrorist, super virus, robot ninja, and a shaman with a rocket launcher who also controls ravens. Not to mention in a series known for NANOMACHINES.

whatever you do, please don't play the twin snakes

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the twin snakes is bottom barrel trash, and I pity you for experiencing the game that way.
Every effect that made the original so good was gutted for hollow public library garbage.

Play Metal Gear Rising

Yeah, get into 1, 2 and 3, but play Rising anytime soon

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Your mom is hollow public library garbage

Twin Snakes was trying to be the Matrix that was popular around that time the original MGS1 is more grounded

>MG1 on digital version MGS3
>all of them
>none, maybe acid 1/2 and survive
>oh fucks yes

What version should I play?

litetally every SFX is worse, and the atmospheric melody based OST was replaced by weird techno crap.

Nice reading comprehension since you assume I played twin snakes first. I acknowledge that silicon fucked the gameplay up a bit, and your response still boils down to
>Stop liking what I don't like

They are fucking trash

It is out of place, though. Metal Gear's protagonists are usually the anchors that the audience attaches to. Solid Snake is remarkably competent and "cool," but he's considerably more normal and grounded than all the shit going on around him. Having him do Matrix stunts does not feed into this.
>but the later Metal Gear games are crazy too! Look at MGS2!
They sure are, but the overall sense of the protagonists being more grounded than what's around them never changes. But even if it had, that's not really an excuse for making these changes to MGS1.

My biggest issue with Twin Snakes isn't the cut scene changes (though seeing Otacon roll down a hill will forever be an awful waste of time) or even the new mechanics (you can ignore them if you want, after all) so much as the overall aesthetic changes. The game looks bland and sounds bland compared to the original.

>the original mgs was srsus guyz!!11!1!!

Lmaoing your lives

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If you have a PS3 get the Legacy collection, comes with a download code for MGS1, disks for MGS2: Substance, MGS3: Subsistance which also has the MSX versions of MG1 and 2 in the menu options, MGS4, and Peace Walker. It also comes with 2 digital graphic novels.
All are worth a playthrough, and make sure to play in release order.

>What version should I play?
Emulating them is perfectly fine, but if you have any version of Subsistence those ports are also fine. In the former case you might have issue with getting a controller to work if you want to remap the controls (keep in mind the MSX is a personal computer), but in that case just use JoyToKey or some other scripter; you can easily get a control scheme that resembles MGS1-MGS3's, which is in fact what the Subsistence versions do.
Nah. They're great. Even MG1 is more consistently enjoyable to me than any game in the series released after MGS3.

jesus christ I didn't realize it was that botched.

Oh, and translation patches of MG1 and MG2 are readily available if you choose to emulate the MSX.

alternatively, he could just skip them and play Ghost Babel

It isn't super srsus but it is still miles better than Twin Snakes.

Ghost Babel being great doesn't change anything. MG1 and MG2 are also great and well-worth playing. I prefer a lot of MG2's level design and sense of progression.

>tfw you realise MG2, MGS, GB, and MGS2 are the exact same game with different setpieces

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All things considered, I still think the director did a good job of what kojima ends up doing with the later games anyway, seeing as how Kojimas style changed drastically from the first. Whenever Konami decides to cash in on a new remake I just hope Snake isnt quite as stiff as the first is all.

They're as similar as most sequels are. They're very different overall, though. In fact, the set pieces are what they usually have in common.

You might as well call Ocarina of Time and A Link to the Past "the exact same game."

Don't listen to he likes furry porn.

If you don't bother old retro games, start with the msx games (Metal Gear 1 and 2; don't paly Snake's Revenge because it's just Konami's attempt to cash in during Kojima's absence. Albeit not a bad game in itself, it's just not Metal Gear)

Otherwise, just start with the PS1 game and play it in release order. My personal preference however is to play 4 for last.

Do you even intertextual patterning?

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>You say that like MGS4's and PW's stories aren't also shit.

PW's story is okay but 4's wraps up the entire series, which is needed on how confusing and unresolved 2's story ends on (the main bad guys are still out there).

they are though. OoT is just 3d aLttP

Maybe the point of MGS2 was that the "bad guys" and shit doesn't matter. MGS4 wasn't necessary in the first place.

>Maybe the point of MGS2 was that the "bad guys" and shit doesn't matter

it does in terms of the narrative, and I mean the real narrative not the meta bullshit that the game spews at you in the last half hour.

The only reason snake didn't do anything over the top in ps1 mgs was because it was a trap to catch self-insert fags and destroy them when at the end of the game you find out snake is a super clone and you have been deluding yourself that you could ever compare to him. Twin Snakes just assumes you know the twist and plays up the super clone aspects earlier; swiching up a outta left field twist for one that has some foreshadowing.

Sharing some structures and ideas does not mean they are the same, though. You'd have to completely dismiss most sequels as "the same game" if you did that.

Stories are about what the author wants them to be. MGS2 in particular wasn't about the plot, but the meta bullshit. Everything was put in the service of it. You may not agree with it, but Kojima wasn't obliged to follow up on anything.

The "real narrative" is also finished, though. MGS2 is mostly about Raiden. It's Raiden's story, and he has a very clear and complete character arc. MGS2 does have "loose ends" in the form of the Patriots and Liquid, but many stories have loose ends. Not all loose ends are sequel bait, and given how MGS2 treats its ending the Patriots aren't really intended to be sequel bait either. Having to live with ambiguity is a key part of Raiden's character arc.

Even if you think MGS4 was necessary, though, MGS4 could have tackled its goals with a lot more grace than it did.

>but Kojima wasn't obliged to follow up on anything.

and yet he did because the fanbase (minus the vocal minority of MGS2 elitists) wanted resolution to the actual story.

He should have done what Lucas did and just bailed. Ironic that of the two, it was Lucas who had a far worse experience with outsiders screwing with his work (prior to the MGSV mess) was the one who was able to let go on his own.

Besides, I think the history vindicated him. While the appreciation for MGS2 only grew in time, MGS4 is still down in the decks with PW and V.

Third post best post

release order.

I'm talking in terms of voice acting and gameplay,
not the over the top shit he does in the Twin Snakes cutscenes. First person completely breaks the game and the voice acting is FAR better in the original.

>He should have done what Lucas did and just bailed.
He was supposed to. He wasn't originally on MGS3. I think, given that whole "No replacement for Hideo!" crap and even going so far as to put himself in his games, his ego just can't take it.

I second this.
The OST is also much better in the OG, and I honestly find TTS ugly as hell too.

good choreography goes a long way. Its why old low budget shit like Gundam 0079 still has people talking about 40 years later

Skip 1-4 and Peace Walker
Only play Ground Zeroes and V
Okay, maybe play MGS2 too.

Definitely don't start with twin snakes, don't even play it

>If you ask me, you're best off ignoring MGSV even exist, and ending the saga with Peace Walker.
Please ignore him, he's a fucking idiot. The gameplay is the best the series ever had and although the story takes a back seat and you'd be a fucking idiot to ever play a game for a story as long as the medium as a whole outright refuses to make real use of its defining strength in storytelling, the audio logs at the end are also the best story the series ever got.

Metal Gear Solid 3, Metal Gear 2, Metal Gear Solid 1 & 2. The Gameboy game is cool but noncanon if that matters. Haven't played 4, 5, or the other handheld games

>The gameplay is the best the series ever had
Meh. I did like it, but it has a lot of issues that previous games do not. At its best it's great, but I wouldn't call it the "best" just because the game spoonfeeds you options like a Chinese buffet. It probably depends on what you like about the series, though. I think MGSV accomplishes what it set out to do.
>audio logs at the end are also the best story the series ever got.
Elaborate.

MGSV is absolutely worth a play, though, even if you never bother to finish it you're likely to get some good stuff out of it.

kys

If you wanna play the games in chronological order from a story perspective, play 3. If you want a good entry point, play 1. Skip Portable Ops, it's not very good.

This but skip ground zeroes and mgs2.

MGS2 is the gameplay peak of the series. Every consequent release played worse.

>Please ignore him, he's a fucking idiot
says an idiotic secondary praising unfinished, generic trash like MGSV.
Even its ""demo"" was better.

>The gameplay is the best the series ever had
False. TPP's gameplay is THE absolutely WORST the saga ever got. It's made up of nothing but waiting, grinding, and running thru' emptiness, including the base itself. And no, the ""storytelling"" sucked ass.
V was an all around DOWNGRADE from Peace Walker.

>MGS2 is the gameplay peak of the series.

the shit level design of MGS2 makes the gameplay suck. Hell the bad level design of Big Shell is one of the things that keeps me from replaying MGS2

>MGS2 is the gameplay peak of the series.
False. MGS2 is perhaps the worst title gameplay-wise.

play 1-4 and then peace walker, then V

I'll just copy and paste my old post
Here's your play order
>Metal Gear 1 and 2 (Optional)
This refers the the Metal Gear 1 and 2 available on the MSX2, they were also ported to PS2, 3 and Vita via the MGS HD Collection and MGS3: Subsistence
>MGS1
PSX. Also available on PC, PS3, Vita, can be played on PS2 and there is a full remake on GCN.
If you want the original Solid trilogy, there is a box set for PS2 that comes with MGS1 in a case that matches the PS2 cases.
>MGS2
Available on PS2, PS3, Vita, 360, PC (shit), Xbox
HD Collection lacks a skateboarding minigame and that's about it.
>MGS3
Available on PS2, PS3, Vita, 360.
MGS3's original release has set camera angles which aren't that good with the enemy AI.
MGS3: Subsistence fixes this with a movable camera and the second disc has Metal Gear 1 and 2, as well as an exclusive Secret Theater (comedy shorts with original dialogue and cutscenes).
The HD Collections are still good.
>Portable Ops (optional)
There is a twist in MGS4 people say came out of nowhere, but it was all foreshadowed here. It's exclusive to PSP but is easily emulated and can be downloaded onto Vita
>MGS4
PS3 exclusive.
>Peace Walker
HD Collection and PSP/Vita. You can transfer saves between the PS3 version and the PSP version, but not the Vita since the Vita is just emulating the PSP version.
>MGSV: Ground Zeroes
Play on anything
>MGSV: The Phantom Pain
Play on anything
>Are there any other games
Yes. Ghost Babel (GBC), Ac!d 1 and 2 (PSP), Portable Ops+ (PSP), Metal Gear Rising (PS3/360/PC) and Survive (PS4/One/PC), as well the NES games. None of them matter, and outside of PO+ and Survive, they play differently to most of the series. Check out Ghost Babel, Ac!d 2, Rising and Survive if you want.
>What's the best way to play all of them
PS3. Has 1-4, Peace Walker HD, Rising, as well as V at 30FPS and 720p. Can also be hacked to play the rest of the series, sans Survive.
The Vita is also good, as is PC.

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MGS1 still feels like the stakes were the highest
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songs like these really set the atmosphere and give the impression that snake's actions in the next day will affect the fate of the world

PORTABLE OPS IS CANON YOU COWARDS

Later in MGS3 bullets are used to intercept electricity by Ocelot and in Peach Walker Big Boss bench presses some mecha. Those Matrix style dodges are literally nothing in comparison and those get free passes.

PC ports for MGS 1 and 2 have a fix that makes them both playable. I recommend the PC ports.

Play in release order, pretty much. The graphic above isn't bad, with the casual release order worthwhile for most players.

Note that I do NOT have problems with The Twin Snakes that some do, so if you're interested go for it. It offers better mechanics and graphics at the cost of some wonky cinematic (one particular with a "matrix" flip) but it really is worth playing.

The guide above does NOT mention particular versions or platforms so here's what I suggest

MGS1: Integral OR The Twin Snakes - If playing on PC, use the Dolphin emulator for The Twin Snakes, and RPCS3 for The Legacy Collecttion.
MGS2: Substance HD - The version from The Legacy Collection or HD Collection (both the same), for PS3 or X360. You can use RCPS3 for this.
MGS3: Subsistence HD - same as above. Use RPCS3 or Xenia etc
MGS4: Guns of the Patriots - ONLY on PS3, stand alone or part of Legacy collection. RCPS3 for PC play.
Metal Gear Rising: Revengence - Native on PC with all the DLC included! This is a side story and a really fun action title in the line of Platinum Games style. I conssider it a must play for metal gear fans, but you';ll get the most out of playing it after MGS4 !
MGS Peace Walker HD - As said before, play or emulate the HD version - RPCS3 works here
MGS V Definitive Edition - Native on PC! Play "Ground Zeroes" first, ideally to 100% completion, and then the main "The Phantom Pain".

Enjoy!

The truth tapes tell a very human story that shows how much the characters care about each other despite their differences, with by far the best voice acting in the series, some of the best I've seen in a video game period and none of the absurd switching between cartoon land comedy and "serious" "drama".

MGS2's level design is aesthetically one-note (though it's more varied than people sometimes give it credit for) but it's among the best in the series at actually taking into consideration what the player can do and how enemies behave. I wish it had more variety (the game seems to forget about crawling -- though MGS3 more than made up for it unfortunately), but the overall sense of tension and speedy pacing were never replicated, and they're what I've always admired most about Metal Gear. I love MG2 and GB for similar reasons.
PW retcon'd PO pretty hard. Major aspects of PO don't make any sense when you consider PW.

The PC Port of MGS1 is good with the fixes, MGS2 still sucks though.
MGS2 is best played on PS2. PS3, Xbox or 360.
Hell, I'd rather take the Vita version.
>unironically suggesting RPCS3
That emulator doesn't fucking work mate, neither does Xenia, with any of these games.

Sure, but Naked Snake himself is still quite grounded. PW is a different case, and much more comparable, but it's memorable for being such a goofy outlier. And, again, context matters. It's not about giving other games a "pass," it's about disliking changes to presentation that do not benefit the story.

This is not canon
Mgs 1, 2, 3, Peace Walker, 4, maybe 5.

The HD versions I mentioned are the PS3/X360 versions.

I cant' say I've followed up on Xenia but RPCS3 works with many of these titles last I checked. Some of the website listings are hideously out of date and even they have PeaceWalker HD listed green etc.

There are plenty of youtube videos of these titles being played on RPCS3.

The voice acting is pretty good, but it's not very interesting otherwise. I thought Zero's conversation with Skull Face was a lot more interesting than Zero a-bloo-bloo-blooing over Big Boss.

Exactly, MGS2 is a satire of fans that wanted Kojima to make the exact same game once again.
How long did it take for you to realize this?

Reminder that Kojima originally envisioned MGS1 to have Twin Snakes matrix cutscenes but PS1 couldn't handle that. You can see some remnants in the PS1 version with Revolver Ocelot introduction scene with Snake jumping couple of feet backwards to avoid Ocelot's shot and Raven Tank battle intro where Snake does an aerial roll and lands on his feet after avoiding a tank shot.

I live in dumb europe and have never used a playstation before. If I buy a ps3 now can I get these games digitally? or do I need to hunt for a solid (pun) copy?

1, 2, 3, 4

optional: piss walker (just watch some youtube vids imo)

V

If you play TTS, you might as well cut your dick off

Except none of them are actually compatible with the emulator yet, except for MGS4 Database (which isn't even really a game) and PW HD, and even then, you'd be better off just emulating the PSP version if you want to play PW that badly, as it's basically exactly the same and uses less of your PC to play it.
Also, MGS4 can only get to the title screen before crashing. And I doubt it will improve in the next 10 years. The game already runs at 15FPS on the console it's exclusive to.
MGS2 and 3 are better emulated on the janky as hell PCSX2 as well.
Stop telling people to use this broken as hell emulator, it doesn't work for anything outside of two games right now.

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Reminder that you can play all the good MGS games on the Vita (1, 2, 3)

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I started with Twin Snakes, kind of glad i did because of how cinematic the game is, couldn't see myself getting immersed in lego heads talking in long cutscenes. Though the original does have areas that look a lot better. Then i bought the HD collection for 360 to play on my Xbone because of 60fps. MGS2 was a carbon copy of MGS1 and they shoehorned some bs literally in the final minutes of the game to explain why. It was good story, i could tell Kojima had a Matrix boner at the time, but i didn't like how it was wrapped up.

I'm procrastinating on playing 3 right now.

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Fuck Peace Walker

I want to play the HD collection on the Bone since it runs better but the idea of playing a MGS game without a Playstation controller and no pressure sensitive buttons makes me feel weird.

gross chart

accurate

Total bullshit. Gray Fox does plenty of matrixy flipping around and shit in the PS1 version. The whole reason why he got a different director for Twin Snakes' cutscenes is that he wanted someone with a completely different style from himself to do them instead of doing a straight remake.

>and they shoehorned some bs literally in the final minutes of the game to explain why.
It's not really shoehorned, though. The entire game revolves around it. If you actually play through the game with all that stuff in mind you realize how *different* MGS1 and MGS2 really are despite the obvious superficial similarities. I don't just mean basic stuff like MGS2 being more stealth-oriented or the stealth itself involving new mechanics, but even scenarios. The games have plenty in common, a lot of that sense of familiarity is due to how the game directs your attention. To put it another way, MGS2 is very different as a sequel compared to many games, it's just more self-aware about the similarities and wants you to notice them too.

play 1-3, skip everything else. thank me later

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4 is shit but 4 is also good. I would not thank you later at all.

i'm being overdramatic about it, i knew Raiden was in a "simulation" the momment he said this all felt like a dream, and that was like 30 minutes into the game. But you can't just throw a series of cutscenes at the end explaining your 11 hour long magic trick to the player, it's bad practice.

>dude it's an oil rig, they're gonna pollute everyone!
>dude it's metal gear!
>dude it's an EMP!
>dude it's actually a nuke!
>dude it's a weapon to control the internet!
>dude fuck it, it's a nuke anyway!
>dude actually you can have it, i just wanted the names of the people who created it!
>dude this was all a ruse! LMAOOO you fell for our simulation
>dude it was all so we can engineer a Solid Snake clone!
>dude haha we tricked you so good noob! go patriots!!! *arm awakens* wait fuck the patriots!!! *runs away on a RAY*
>dude just kidding, it's actually used to control the population and it worked on you! our first test subject! btw we're aliens
>dude now kill the guy who's been trying to stop us so we can go on with our business ROFLLL

And besides the story, the only areas of the game that are memorable are maybe strut F and fat man. walkways were boring, the setting did nothing for me, personally. Tanker was brilliant though.

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poor story, poor scenarios, poor boss fights. points for nostalgia baiting and raiden redemption arc. otherwise, not really

START IN RELEASE ORDER YOU RETARDED FUCKING NIGGER

no self-respecting person would do this

MGS2 being so back-heavy is a legitimate criticism, but the game hints at it along the way a great deal, and your green-text makes it seem a lot more convoluted than it actually is.

MGS2's level design is excellent, in general, though. I've never thought the Tanker was that much better than the Plant.

best gameplay of the entire series, good setpieces, good bossfights, nostalgia baiting wouldn't apply to a newbie player who'd hypothetically play them back to back in current year

4 is good and good. I too wouldn't thank him tho'.

OOOHHHHHH!!

When will MGS4 stop being a PS3 exclusive? I don't really want to buy a PS3 just for 1 game and my toaster is too shit for PS3 emulation.

Decent PS3 emulation is a long ways off anyway in all likelihood, especially for a tricky game like MGS4. You can probably get a PS3 in decent shape for less than a hundred bucks, maybe for $50 or under if you look around for local sellers.

Peace Walker and V aren’t worth playing. Rising is.

Id do it chronologically

Mgs 3, then portable ops or w/e, mgsV, mgs1, 2, then 4

>Id do it chronologically
Why? The story makes a lot more sense in release order.
>Portable Ops
Portable Ops isn't canon and no one should suffer through it anyway. It fucking blows, even if you emulate and tinker with the controls.

i would argue the point but if user wants to see where the series went off the rails then by all means

legacy collection for ps3 is easiest way to play