Ignoring how likely or never ever they are, how much you like their games or the characters themselves, their companies...

haven't played smash since brawl, whats an adept?

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Isnt it actually Enix sitting on the IP?

Yeah they did they say they would love to use the IP havent they?

A freak of nature who’s a threat to mankind by the curse of having a randomly determined power.

yup, and its easy to see why. the game play and aesthetics are right in wayforward's wheel house, in m opinion they are probably one of the best choices of developers to either make a sequel or revive the game. it still bugs me it never even made any of the virtual console games for wii, wii u, or switch. a colorful side scrolling platform is exactly what nintendo loves.

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FPBP
What's the point is discussing something that's completely pointless?

The increase in popularity of the shantae series has given us some great porn

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SEETHING
>Charisma wise
So you haven't played Shovel Knight?

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>Shantae's attacks
>generic hair whip

>Shovel Knight's attacks
>full arsenal of weapons a la castlevania, plus inspiration that could be taken from the other knights, including the ones with their own campaints. All of this being found in one game.

I mean...

In all seriousness Shovel Knight, they aren't going to do all the transformations for one character and Shantae doesn't really have anything else. Also Shantae's games have never been big seriously they're nothing to the breakout that SK was.

I feel like the OST could be truly remixed into boss stuff with current music tools.

>He thinks Shantae's only thing is hair whipping.

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Your second point has nothing to do with the first pont.

youtube.com/watch?v=azc-uHxJh1E

LOOK AT ME!

I did hes is the most boring character of his own game
>generic whip attacks
Dude she’s got more than 30 animal and monstergirls transformations, pirate gear (which by the way pretty much matches SK gear) and a fuckton of magical attacks.
What you are stating here is like saying that megaman olny has a buster!
Well any character that get into smash gets his rule 34 count added a digit so…

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I like both, and would have great movesets, but there not getting in. We need to find the "Pac-Man" of Indie Gaming. It's not fucking Steve.

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>hes is the most boring character of his own game
Shantaefag has no taste. Like pottery...

>Check new Zelda.
>Mostly from Boris.
>There’s only 5 good ones.

Manuel from Guacamele, but if he got in underage B&'s would probably complain that "He's just an Incineroar Echo".

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I still find it hard to believe that Shovel Knight has a 3D model in Ultimate. Little bugger's only existed for 5 years and he's already got an assist trophy slot.
KING KNIGHT FUCKING WHEN GODDAMN IT

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Reimu?

I mean she IS the oldest "indie" but I guess PacMan isnt the oldest arcade character so its not an apt comparison.

DLC pack 2 comes with all indie reps:
>Shovel Knight
>Shantae
>Dillon
>Hollow Knight
>Cuphead

Would you be happy with this?

Yes

but does Dillon even count as indie? I thought he was just very small Nintendo IP.

Replace Cuphead or Dillon with Quote and I'm 100% happy.

Man SSBU blew Omni's fake renders out of the water.

Replace Dillon because I want Cuphead in as a 2D G&W-esque fighter.

>Renders made by a multi million dollar company and professionals in the industry vs renders made by hobbyists for free
I wonder why.

Meant to reply to

I liked the first 2 shantaes, the 3rd one I didn't enjoy and because of that didn't buy the 4th so I can't speak for that one

Give the 4th a chance

Shovel Knight, nobody wants Shantae.

> arsenal moveset that's just "look, it's that one item!"
> transforming moveset that's just "look, it's that one form!"
As much as some part of me wants to entertain both, the realist in me knows to expect nothing. You should too.

hte olny thing tha fits that description is the goo balls from gorld of goo
Yep kind of how some people refuse to accept that odyssey was better than a hat in time, because fuckton of money and experience
the exeption that proves the rule, Try Isabelle

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Got you covered.

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I want Cuphead purely for the music and stages.
That said, he's not happening now and I doubt he ever will.

new guy here, he really is. I first played as specter knight and that's what got me interested, bought the bundle where you can play as plague and the yellow guy and started with shovel. I couldn't play through it. shovel sucks

Isabelle always had content. Palutena, WFT, and Gunner rise a digit but they originally had dust.

Shovel Knight is the closest we would ever get to a spear in Smash other than BWD, so him.
That wasn't the question, retard.

What's the point of discussing who's going to be in as DLC? Nobody knows anything about them, so it's pointless.

I can’t draw, all my games are finished, and I don’t have very many friends. What to do?
Oh I know, I’ll talk about my favoritest game Super Smash Bros on 4Channel.

Shantae is a great character with tons of interesting gimmicks, in a fantastically beautiful world centered around a fantastically terribly designed levels and complete and utter shit utilization of all her powers to the point that the games often slow to a goddamn crawl. Her character and world has a shit ton of potencial, but Wayforward have never been able to design a good metroidvania and that's why she should not be a fighter in Smash

Cuphead, Shovel Knight and Hollowknight all come from absolutely fucking fantastic games with tons of charm, but they completely and utterly lack any at all unique gimmicks and moves to make them interesting. Their success is widely due to perfecting other genres, but in doing so they also missed creating anything really new. That's why none of these deserve to be a fighter in Smash

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>reading comprehension

Dunno, both characters moves are ripoffs of older games.

Anti-sword sentiment this and that but I’d like Hollow Knight over the others just to have a better forward air.

So in other words... Cuphead, Shovel Knight and Hollowknight all deserve to get in and Shantae doesn't?

That's extremely based.

Shantae's cons are subjective while the others cons are objective.

Therefor Shantae actually IS good to get in Smash.

This would be based.
I was thinking of Super Meat Boy sense he's recognizable or Jason sense he debuted on the NES and made a comeback recently

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True but all your points against shantae could be fixed in a single sentence "hey inti could you please make the gameplay?" plus she survived the test of time while some great Indie games just where forgotten in least than 3 where is meatboy? where is world of goo?

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Shantae cannot get in... she belongs to HIM now, and so long as HE is in control, HE will do everything he can to get Shovel Knight into Smash...

neither should be in as both of them suck moveset wise:
>shovel knight is based entirely on moves from other games, so there is nothing exactly original for him
>shantae's central mechanic that Bozon himself says is integral to her character is clunky and pace breaking and putting that in a fighting game just wouldn't be fun to use at all(b-but they could just change how the mechanic works, except no they fucking wouldn't).

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>Shovel Knight attacks
>Generic Shovel Attack

>Shantae attacks
A whole host of transformations with differing abilities and can include Pirate weapons from Pirates Curse

This is what you sound like retard.

shantae has only stayed alive because Bozon kept trying to make her popular despite the series always being niche from the get go. if she was made by literally anybody else, the series would've died after the first game on the gameboy.

I know FOR A FACT this companiy's worth of people I only know through their games and social media how they would let a THIRD PARTY interpret their character for Smash.'

you dumb retarded fuck

Is there any argument Shantae has over Shovel Knight besides her "history" with Nintendo with those 2 games that flopped?

uhhhhh, she's cute and uhhhh she has some japanese fans(but it's nowhere near the level of other indie games so I don't even understand why people try to use this argument)

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Not quite look at the lobotomy corporation’s dude their game has been hit by every single stroke of bad luck under the sun and still it made bank, a good and charming concept will make it no matter what.
Press taunt button go into dancing stance press a button sequence as fast as you can if correct she transforms and gains a boost or dance as you charge a smash attack and briefly transform and execute attack as soon as you let go of the stick

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How so? Ive yet to buy lobotomy corp due to my shitty comp makes it not able for me, what was its bad luck?

>shantae would be clunky in smash
>uhhhh here's my concept that is clunky and wouldn't be fun to actually do in game! get proven wrong!

>complaining about useless threads
>on Yea Forums
go back

>shantae's central mechanic that Bozon himself says is integral to her character is clunky and pace breaking and putting that in a fighting game just wouldn't be fun to use at all
How the hell would having dancing specials be clunky? And if anything just make the transformation into Smash attacks.

No. Indie's need to earn their spot in Smash.

this is retarded, you're just saying your own intepretation on how Shantae's moveset could be implemented in Smash is the ONLY possible way for it to be implemented and thus bad no matter what.

waifufags raid polls so it looks like she's popular

if this were true other waifu characters would rank high.

I call bullshit since there are other more waifuable characters from better games, that are far more popular. and more likely to get into Smash AND from bigger companies and none of them have this level of support

because shantae is hot brown waifu. also this point is stupid since 2B has been placing on fan polls a lot recently

you could go on and on about how Sakurai would totally change the mechanics so they can work in smash, but we all know sakurai would be autistic enough to make it function exactly like HGH.

yeah...recently. Why the fuck is it only happening now?

>none of them have this level of support
>only happening now?
did you guys forget who "won" the ballot or something?

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based and voltpilled

Yeah like how Witchtime affects everyone, or how Diddy Kong can shoot multiple peanuts at once, or how Shulk's monado arts work.

small changes are different from completely overhauling a mechanic user.

Who cares? Shovel Knight was a well enough loved game, but it should stay as an assist, a cool shoutout but ultimately nothing playable. Shantae people literally only want for the porn, and should also only be assist status. Her games were less good. The only indies that should be considered are Quote for showing what one man with a lot of heart can make and inspiring a ton of games, Touhou, for similar reasons, extremely iconic in japan but nowhere else though, or Steve, a humble indie game that turned into a multi billion dollar IP and the best selling game of all time that essentially defined a generation. And no, I don't really want Steve as playable, he would be boring and ugly, but by the same token I can at least say "I see why they added this character"

I only briefly played Shantae on the GBC so I am biased when I say that SK has an easily transferrable moveset. He also already made it as an AT so I guess that gives him some points.

Since people are rosterfaging anyways, I am gonna bring up my personal pick if we ever got an indie.

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Is Jason even Indie? I could see him working since he already got a game recently.

So Steve should be added not cause of any qualties he has as an actual character but because his game is good. And that translates into a fun moveset and thus fun to play how? Like Reggie said as a representative of Nintendo "If it's not fun, why bother?"

Why put Steve in Smash's roster if he wouldn't be fun? No one would want him if he sucked to play as.

Super Meat Boy is a god awful idea. He should stay in platformers and only platformers

I am not saying to put Steve in, but if the team thinks they can realize something which if they can make a fucking potted plant work they could realize something, then they probably will. He is unfortunately in demand from younger crowds

Blaster Master is owned by Inti Creates now, which is an indie studio

Piranha Plant though actually makes sense when you think about given how expressive and varied the enemy type is in the various Mario games.

I see, but the company who made the first game was indie?

This is such a weak fucking argument.

Yeeah but Quote has no future.

How so?

Shantae. She has actual powers meanwhile Shovel Knight it's just sitting there with a shovel

meat boy literally cannot do anything besides run and jump

I dont particularly care for Meatboy, but Duckhunt in their own game literally dont do much of anything.