What videogame announcement at E3 would make you go like this?

None because I'm not some retarded tofu eater that feels the need to film themselves emoting.

Banjo in Smash

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METROID PRIME 4 GAMEPLAY AND IT HAS HUNTERS MULTIPLAYER

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The scary thing with this, Eric is clearly 100% genuine

Like that? None, because I'm not 12. But to be honest E3 has been utter shit the last couple of years. So I really don't care to be honest.

The scary thing is that you know these guys by name, you autistic faggot.

admit it Yea Forums, you only hate these "nu-males" because you're jealous of them.

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ooh so mature

Sleeping Dogs 2 and Bloodborne 2.

What a fat bitch
You're god damn right I'm jealous

jealous of this one individual maybe

god i love smooth sexy fat girls

No, having sex with a fat girl isn't hard, even for a turboweeb. It's also not that great.

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smtVmultiplat including pc

wish I could feel this happy about anything bros. imagine being the guy who cried at the star wars trailer. sounds nice

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this looks so much like ffxv that it's not even funny. this is your last chance Nomura. if you fuck this up I'm never buying anything from SE again

nah, you don't have to worry, there's a switch emulator so you can play smtv on pc regardless

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EGS exclusives

Doesn't look anything like FFXV. FFXV is slow and clunky, and this looks fast and responsive like KH.

at least the man making terrible faces into the camera has better teeth than your average onions

A new elder scrolls chapter that doesn't look like dogshit

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A good horror game.
Bonus points if it has Junji Ito since we lost the chance to get a game with his design work thanks to faggot Konami.

Hey vsauce michael here

>1995
Warhawk releases for ps
>2007
Warhawk releases for ps3
>2019
?
I haven't owned a play station in about 8 years or so but I'd buy one in a heart beat.

SMT V new info
Ace Attorney 7 info

if you can read thi0s the shredder didnt work

LMAO

kys straightfag

yuzu is shit and cemu emulates one game for wiiU
I want snoyboys and xcucks to be able to play as well

I'm not sure I'm capable of ever being excited again

Chrono Trigger remake.

Devil May Cry 7

Bannerlord release date announcement.

The scarier thing is you're on a first name basis with "eric"

>mad he cant get straight men in his bed

>Armored Core 6
This year's the year bro

>Bioshock 4 taking place in rapture again
>Bully 2
>Batman Beyond
>Harry Potter RPG
>a real Cyberpunk game taking place at night
>Hotline Miami 3

any nintendo game will do the trick for me

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I just want to see SMTV gameplay footage

I don't find her attractive.

>not watching every trailer reaction by basedboy eric

A good IP with a fucking release date. Fuck your sequels and remakes.

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New F-Zero

do you find her attractive?

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A new deus ex or half life game. Stalker gameplay footage

top right in that webm has to be a parody though, right?

Darkstalkers was the first thing that came to my mind.

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Getting over it with Bennet Foddy 2

Mountain Blade NevereverLord

Master Chief in Smash

Remastered HD GOTY Director's Cut edition of Death Stranding.

Neverwinter Nights (toolkit and all that shit)
Dragons' Dogma 2
Xcom 3 (I expect this because of news earlier this year)
Bannerlord release date

His art wouldn't translate well into 3D and color.

sóyception

Mother 3 coming to west

Considering the anime, you're probably right.

he is faking it for yt shekels you retarded nigger

I am immensely jealous of this specific person right now because I haven't had thicc sex in like two years but that's entirely separate from why I dislike these people.

Ive read 'leaks' that say its more of a hybrid between 15 and 12. In that inputs are faster but there is an atb bar. If thats the case then im so down. As we all know 12 is the ultimate pleb filter

im fine with most bodytypes besides fat

Evil Genius 2, and apparently its happening

cringe

To who ever did this. thank you

Stupid people are much more easily excitable

I refuse to believe that people can experience that intense joy/excitement over something as trivial as a movie trailer. It's all hammed up just to get views

patrician

Battletoads

Unironically Halo Infinite

Fromsoft new game without Fat FAggot Martin

Literally the only thing that made me feel like this is the ending fight in Creed where Rocky gives Adonis his motivational speech and the Rocky theme starts playing

God of War: Ragnarok

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>Sleeping Dogs 2
don't get my hopes up like that user

Demon's Souls Remastered, Demon's Souls 2, Dead Space 4, Alan Wake 2, Bioshock 3

BASED

Is this bitch drinking beer out of a wine glass?

Half Life 3

Is this reaction for latest BlackedRaw Alex Coal episode?

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Talking about the game play rumors. I could give two shits if Martin is involved or not.

SMTV gameplay trailer

A Zelda anthology for the switch containing every Zelda game. Or a big collection of all 1st party Sega Saturn and Dreamcast games

that guy on the left looks like he's had enough of their shit

MGR2
MGS3 pc port

Dude on the far left is trying to cuck the guy in the cavs jersey.

>Bully 2
>Hotline Miami 3
Honestly these would get me riled up.

you mean dawn of war 3
there's no dawn of war after retribution

A 2d pixelart metroid with a huge fucking map that isn't the walk in the park like samus returns

You know people do this just for views right

>evil genius 2
Sauce right now, where did you find this info, who do you work for motherfucker?

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Anyone got this video with sound? I can't tell without sound, but I think I made this video and the cunt ''James Youniverse'' took down my video.

Fuel 2

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Me in the back not even watching it

man,i would just hug that dog and ignore the show

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A videogame that deletes all other videogames

I'd be fucking pissed too
>Try to watch a show with people
>They overreact as if they're auditioning for the show themselves
People can feel things about shows without having to have outrageously loud outward displays of emotion

thats a reflection

SMT V or Debisama5/Raidou3

based

Itsuno will not direct the next DMC game. His last game will be either DD2 or a proper DMC 5 Vergil DLC.

they look so young and stupid

Imagine unironically thinking this is a real reaction.
You niggers are fucking retarded.

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twitter.com/Rebellion/status/1134451995530711041

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why are reaction videos so popular today?

White people are so fucking stupid.

Different beer are better drank in different type of glasses. Honestly doesn't make a huge difference and its enjoyable to have a nice glass for a bourdbon barreled age imperial stout or a gueuze.

every time I see someone post this I just fucking know it's a white dude trying to race bait

Its a mirror

onions

bannerlord

How low can you go?

Maximum cringe
Based

>Silent Hill
>Banjo Kazooie
>Ape Escape
If any of these got a new game I'd nut. Sadly Snoy doesn't care about Ape Escape anymore, don't get me started on Silent Hill, and Microsoft seems to not give a shit about Banjo either.

>evil genius 2
fucking BASED

Team fortress 2 on switch

>sets up a camera
>films his reaction to get views and therefore money on youtube
>genuine
you fucking suck

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An english version of Monobeno.

when they show banjo as a minecraft skin in smash

Them bitches are trying to out dramatic eachother while the dude in the yellow is being gay as fuck
Guy on the left is over their shit and guy on the right looks like he doesn't even know who the characters are or what's happening

DMC6

Lol at the Kingdom hearts command menu, fuck that shit

spooky user from the reflective realm

bethesda not using their gamebyro garbage engine but that'll never happen

>Is this reaction for latest BlackedRaw Alex Coal episode
unironically a good scene

Legend of Dragoon 2. New Single-player Ultima spinoff series.

Honestly the only thing I'd basedgasm over would probably be Dead Space 4 or a remake or something

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Anything where people film their reaction to something is almost always not genuine. Just the fact that they know they're being recorded makes them act differently, especially in these cases where the girls are literally throwing themselves to the ground crying over a fucking tv show

What's wrong with you losers making fun of people excited for something? What happened to your soul? You lack any kind of excitement out of your life? So you take it out on others who are? Who the fuck are you? Some kind of prophet? Get yourself a fucking life I know these guys did.

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Black and White 3

dragon's dogma 2

something something F-Zero something something

I wish I could feel joy or excitement.

do you really want another rushed DMC game?

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Onimusha 3 remaster with 2 on there for free release on pc
Epic gamds store idgaf i want it

I never said E3 2019.

lionhead studios isn't even around anymore user

Holy trinity of pathetic.

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based

Ocarina of time/ Majora's Mask Remake for switch

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Viewtiful Joe 3 with Platinum

Either way at least we’re getting No More Heroes 3

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Excitement is the first step towards disappointment. Those people need to be protected from themselves.

Cavs jersey is gay. Straight men don't hold women like that

Not even Megaman Legends 3 would make me go like that.

It's not, I remember all my normie friends on Facebook finding the video hilarious

i can understand being this excited for something but come the fuck on it's star wars and capeshit, they've been pumping these shits out yearly for the past 5 years or more in the case of the latter

lurk more and possibly considering looking into having sexual relations.

is this the defining webm of men in 2010's?

>Evil Genius 2
Well, I just did the fucking onions face. Goddammit.

wahoo!

this man is married and filmed this while on vacation with his wife. if he can do it, so you can

Virtua Fighter 6

A new Project X Zone
A new Endless Frontier
A Switch port of Endless Frontier + Exceed would be great too
The Exceed fantraslation being completed

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>HURR DURR DE DURRR LE EPICK ONIONS MAYMAY XDDD LE EPIC ONIONS LE BOY XDDDD
Go play in traffic

>Vergil DLC
>REmake 3
>MGR 2
Just that

he is not married to Mary, they are dating

I'm hype but it's going to get turned into an rts by a slavic dev that never played the original just like all the dungeon keeper clones, mark my words.

Resident evil 8

youtu.be/XJsy5jJ7Dp0

Viewtiful Joe 3
Onimusha 4
Shadow of the Colossus 2
City of Heroes 2 or some new superhero mmo that isn't terrible
Those are the only ones, really.

Dragon's Dogma 2

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nintendo releasing the source code to melee

it is for views

Poor visceral

never ever, smelee fag

David cage and Platinum remaking Omikron

>basedface mouth gape
>any form of actual excitement or soul
it's an automated kneejerk reaction whenever something pop culture related or selfie camera enters their vision

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The crying guy is the worst, just putting him next to the others makes them seem less pathetic. Especially since hes crying over a fucking star wars trailer.

Alex Mercer Prototype 3
Resident3 remake
RDR2 vampires werewolves & zombies DLC

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rdr1 and 2 on pc

>Ricochet 3

A sequel to this game
youtube.com/watch?v=BErWAbLuqHc

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Not a game announcement, just Tifa being shown to have big tits and look like her original art

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that's
that's nothing like a KH menu
at all
retard

All of these are good.
I'd also get hard at a 2019 Bayo 3 release date or XBX/XBX2/New MonolithSoft project 2019 release date.
I just need a new big RPG in my life, especially given that 2077 is probably going to be a 2020 release date

Its literally called a Command menu in the Webm you fucking retard

2019, swords still pass through solid objects

Ignore Kingdom Hearts retard. They are a special kind of autistic.

God Hand 2 is this for me. It would be so out of the blue.

My ultimate pipe dream is for a crossover fight with fused zamasu in bayo 3.

>Darkstalkers
Didn't that just get a new game? Everybody hated it because they turned it into a souls like or something.

>licking abs.jpg

BotW2 but only if they change the map/environments significantly. I haven't been able to seriously get into a game since BotW and the Witcher 3 before that.

Sekiro was a disappointment.

Motorstorm set across different geographic regions with up to 20 player online

next FROM title

I want black men to fuck my wife. Which of you have a BBC?

>Crying over SW trailer
Oh Christ...

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I wish I could tell you. I've become so jaded I don't think any game could make me fell that way.

Nigger one of those is a ps4

so this is what life has become

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she's practical perfect

Colony Wars 4

I wonder if you'll keep the Buster Sword through the whole game and just upgrade it, kinda felt odd that it was a precious sword given to Cloud from Zack but you replace it as soon as you find something slightly better.

Why do people watch this shit? Fucking why? I don't fucking get it. He's not huge but he's still getting way more fucking attention than he deserves.

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Big difference between being stoked for a game and litterly crying tears of onions.

is literally the summation of consumerism mixed with the demasculation and infantilism of western men's interests.

Forgot pic

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This

Because faggots keep spamming that shit everywhere. If you're gonna that shit at least remove the fucking names so people don't start googling those.

You dont get a New sword until way later so Its still iconic
I mean in normal ways of COURSE, nobody tríes to steal a hardege from 3rd soldier clases in shinra building anyway.

kids

Harry Potter MMO

I honestly might faint if we ever get a proper new .hack game. This isn't hyperbole.

>people excited for something?
All those are fake reactions just to please subscribers and get to the onion fad

>Lost Planet 2 remaster
ma nigga

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>Lets post the same shit over and over and over

You know whats missing?
Inlcude Facebookfrog and wojak and than the pile of shit is colpleted lmao

B A S E D

That was Darksiders, darkstalkers is a Capcom fighting game

Syndicate 2
Darkness 3
project offset
prey 2 reborn from human head

SIREN 3
Kuon 2
Clock Tower 4
A new Murayama helmed Suikoden
Marina Liteyears in Smash
A proper follow-up to Mario 2

None of these will ever happen, so I have nothing to worry about.

have sex

Well they are spics. Being stupid is natural to them.

The guy in the smallest window is a literal kike.

>hotline miami 3
I wish but I don't think it'll ever happen, especially after the ending to 2 where the world ended. Even Devolver made a joke about it on twitter recently over people asking them about Hotline Miami 3

Why is it the same shitty shit always blasted across the media.

Capeshit
Star Wars
Game if Thrones
Etc.

Every Marvel movie is so full of shitty reddit quips it makes me physically ill it's obvious they are terrified of taking themselves seriously but then they also want the "so sad hashtag feels" shit as well. They are so tonally inconsistent.

I thought Star Wars was a pretty good set of 3 movies like 3 decades ago how about something else?

I'd rather cheese grate my dick than watch western fantasy imagine committing 8 years of your life to elfshit lmao.

kanto content in sword/shield

Skies of Arcadia.

HD Remaster, Remake, Sequel, I don't give a fuck honestly.

I just want a comfy JRPG where I can do airship battles and build a harem as a badass anime pirate again.

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the next game from the hotline miami devs has been more or less leaked already

it's going to be a contra like sidescroller inspired by 90s anime, working title is sector x

>no one has mentioned pikmin 4
;-;

A new Jet Set Radio

Is there any website we can watch the e3 stream and chat together? Only Yea Forums people allowed?

Video games retard

Closest I can think of is the original Relic team behind Dawn of War 1 making either a HD remaster of DoW1 or another expansion for old time's sake.
Even then I'd just broadly smile and say "about damn time". I wouldn't sob as though Christ himself had descended into my room to tell me that eating Doritos and playing video games on a Friday night was the most dependable way of getting into heaven like some of these internet types are doing whenever they see a new Marvel trailer.

Marvel vs. Capcom 4
Dino Crisis Remake, RE3 Remake, RE8 whatever Capcom has for horror games
Final Fantasy VII Remake
Metroid game that focuses on horror or a Fusion Remake
Sega bringing back a dead franchise (Virtua Fighter, Burning Rangers, SoA, HoTD, etc.)
Nintendo bringing back a dead franchise (Custom Robo, Golden Sun, Sin and Punishment, FZERO, etc.)
Project X Zone 3
The Wonderful 102
Metal Gear Rising 2
Ape Escape 4

Timesplitters 4 by the original team

Okami 2 by Platinum

Bloodborne 2

Half Life 3

What the fuck is wrong with america that people like this exists in there? I mean, obviously not everyone is like that, but I can't fathom how it is to grow in a place that breeds this type of men. Even in children this would look weird.

onions

onions

Nothing. Even if it was something I'd be excited for, chances are it's going to end up a casualized puece of shit.

Dragons Dogma 2 or Dragons Dogma Online for the west
Eternal Darkness
REmake3
Skies of Arcadia With help from Monolith Soft
Next Zelda game I guess

Should have been more like Crisis Core.

as far as i can tell they have jobs and arent trumpsucking incels like you

>that red spot on his cheek
Oh lordy lordy loo...

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Gta, fallout but this time as a rpg, hl3, maybe a rpg set in current year, some new shit i dont know about

explain

Never ever, fellow mugen bro. Lets just pray that we get another cameo during 3rd OG which is never happening btw.

Yeah, what the fuck is that? It looks fucking disgusting.

Man hits gook with a bat, not even killing it. What thius meltdown is about?

nazi gas chamber administrator simulator

By those standards nothing is genuine, everything is for implicit or explicit personal gain. You're one cynical faggot.

Sega will somehow fuck this up. I would really love an HD anything of this.

I don't understand why people watch reaction videos, if it's something like in the old days where it's pranking your bros into watching 2 girls 1 cup and filming it or something then it's funny but here it's some nobody getting hyped over a movie trailer. I don't get it. Then again I never really got watching streamers either. Maybe I'm just getting old, the only channels I watch on youtube are RLM and Forgotten Weapons.

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Silent Hills returning
Amored Core reboot/returning
Resident Evil 8
Metroid Prime 4
Sly Cooper 5
Banjo-Threeie
New mainline Crash/Spyro
Banjo in Smash

New Ace Combat or at least a trailer for the DLC, but I highly doubt it

Marvel vs Capcom 4 and it shows gameplay that is good.

If Larian's Baldur's Gate 3 hadn't been leaked, it probably would have done it.
Still great but the reveal won't be quite as exciting.

God I remember my friends being autistic about the show The Office and they would always force everyone to watch it when we gathered.

They would pause every few minutes so they could cringe and walk around the room before resuming the program. It was fucking surreal.

SEETHING

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The trailer ending with "Episode One Coming Today." will make me scream and I didn't even like the original too much.

is this normal in brazil to hold the hand of your bro's gf?

Rayman 4

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this desu senpai

acting on camera fake overreactions to a tv show for views/money

what has this world come to

XD HE OPENED HIS MOUTH REAL BIG AGAIN

>GladiumTonitrua
oh dear

Just give me Metal Wolf Chaos XD already
I beg you

youtube.com/watch?v=9lufx42TyaE

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At this point it'd be a bad idea. It's been too long.

Utterly lost my shit. Thank you for making this.

So you respect them then? Do you admire them?

Fucking kek

i respect them more than i respect you

>Dragon's dogma 2
my man

>>a real Cyberpunk game taking place at night

t.

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So you do respect them, kek. Do you want to be like them, or are you already like them? You certainly like to defend them.

Who the fuck is the guy on the right and why does he look so fucked up? Why is he recording himself when he looks like he's been crying for 48 hours straight and is that blood on his cheek? What has he been doing?

This guy gets it

Absolutely lovely

Nothing, I'm a man.

>Armored Core 6
I see you are also a man of taste.

Ninja Gaiden something, Batman: Arkham something, Superman something, R3make.

Holy fuck, are you me? Good taste dude, what other games do you like?

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Based and pilled. Modern soulless Nintendo can't do it though.

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Breath of Fire 7 for consoles and PC with traditionally animated 2D sprotework and watercolour backgrounds with the holy trinity of composer:artist:director back.

And where do you think his "wife" was?
With the bull ofcourse.

Drakengard IV
SPWW2 II
A games like KSP, but finished, and good.
Sony reversing their censorship policy

SBRODEWORG :DD

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A Final Fantasy Tactics game that looks like Octopath traveler. The battles take place in the environments (kinda like how you run into them in Mario + Rabbids except more incorporated into the environment), and there are plenty of secrets, puzzles, and reasons to explore in the environments like Divinity OS 1 and 2.

Tomba 3 made by Retro Studios

Any sequel from valve.

Pic related already did that, prime trilogy HD would as well

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>seperate beds
>absent wife
>overly emotional manbaby
His "wife" was out getting a massage if you know what i mean.

extinction

Godzilal Unleashed remastered with new characters

Based. Fuck this leddit tier soiboy meme and get excited for vidya for once Yea Forums. Persona 5's hype train and my first playthrough is the sole reason why I got back into videogames, so go ahead and find a game this E3 that could possibly get you excited for vidya again.

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What's wrong with your faaaaaace?

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Only one thing followed by a Smash DLC announcement

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Chibi Robo or [PROTOTYPE]

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Herpes from his wife's Middle Easter boyfriend

Thanks for putting on a tripcode so I can know which post is yours in order to discard it immediately.

No idea, I highly doubt I'm capable of such faggotry.

Based

If persona 5 is what got you back into videogames then you had only played literal shit. But it checks out with the retarded jojo reaction pic.

He's watching the first trailer for Star Wars ep 9.

I feel bad for James considering he was the posterboy for this reactionsoyshit, but the stupid faggot star wars boy who cried is the one that gets defended by Disney.

Xenoblade X sequel or port
Master Chief collection on switch
Microsoft character in Smash

when i post this i never get this many (You)s

I really want to punch that guy. Probably because it reminds me of myself.

New F-Zero on Switch
>30-player online races
>track editor
>no gay powerups or weapons, just the X/GX attacks

>Sniper Elite VR bullshit
>No Sniper Elite 5

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Team Buddies 2

golden sun 4

>Armored Core 6
SPBP

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A new Megaman ZX game

anything megaman related

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Obsidian Fallout or KOTOR.

I'm not sure how much faith I have in modern Obsidian (Pillars 2 was meh) but I at least trust that they'd try to make a real RPG.

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Alpha Centauri 2.

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I could swear they've said they are working on it

There you go bro

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>Hotline 3
>metal gear rising 2
>metroid prime trilogy
>mirror's edge 2 that ignores catalyst happened
>yakuza 3-5 remasters coming to the west

But most of all
>gravity rush 3

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factually least two of them are nintendofags

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Fuck's sake, I was thinking about working for Rebellion but now I'll never get to work on Evil Genius 2

From Software presents

Based on the manga by Kentaro Miura
[dramatic pause]
hai
yai
FORCES

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Being excited for something is perfectly fine, but if you put up an act that makes you look retarded and then post it online, you should expect to be made fun of

Multi was clunky as fuck but very based

this but also resident evil outbreak HD and a dino crisis game

It would be terrible and thankfully the rights are in limbo between Firaxis and EA
This is an excellent example of why it would be terrible

Final Fantasy X-3

Why does Yea Forums make fun of basedboys when most of it is just as out of shape or unattractive as them? Is it unironically cope?

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did rikku and yuna finally marry each other in this one

This is making me feel ill

>Yea Forums is a single entity. A convocation of identical persons, same in mind, body and SOUL~
Speak for yourself. I'm okay.

because they look funny, it's literally the only reason that I need
frogs aren't funny though, so stop posting them

yeah he is part of the 6%

this man needs a whiskey and 3 days alone in the woods.

These guys look happy and it makes me happy

>Cyberpunk Prey coming back.
>Bioshock 4.

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BAAAAAAANJOOOO
BAAAAAAAAAAAAANJOOOOOOOOO
PLEASE SAKURAI PUT BANJO IN BECAUSE MUH NOSTALGIA, FUCK STEVE

>reaction to star wars
>reaction to avengers
>some stupid shit that guy probably thought was funny or something
dilate & have sex

Wonder Red appearing pretty much anywhere

Zone of the Enders 3 with Shinkawa on board fuck you Kojima for taking him away ;_;

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Dragon's Dogma 2.

Maybe Red Alert Remastered.

>watching the E3
ok retard

>Dragon's Dogma 2
This

Is that a bulge?

no user haha what DO you mean

make sure to do a reaction video so we can all laugh at you for being a massive manchild

Simpsons Hit & Run remake/sequel

What makes people act like this, show this to me nine years ago, and I would have thought you crazy.

Star-Wars has never been good. It's entry-level babies first into sci-fi. Well, 4,5 and 6 were ok.

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Bioshock 4.

Kinda hope itll go back to Colombia again, or nonetheless do something different than Rapture.
Also hope to see Elizabeth and especially Bookerstock again.

Where the fuck do you see a bulge

Didn't the latter one get spread around way more though

>283 unique IPs
>only 8 say DD2
I want zoomers to kill themselves.

RICOCHET TWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

end the thread

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The nintendo face trifecta.

i want a new marvel over dd2, but both would make this e3 for me.

>a new marvel
M:UA3 is already being made though

Pikmin 4

Idk probably some discord server

Yea Forums will never understand happiness...

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>Thermals not dropping.
WTF.

Shut the fuck up steve fag

Zoomer soi bois like Flavor of the month

Stalker 2, Bannerlord

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Why is that guy with the green shirt making those strange close up faces?

So this is what NPCs think happiness is, huh?

Top one is a jew in isreal

It's never gonna happen. and even if it did, capcom would find a way to ruin like everything else SF related they touch.

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>enjoying video games

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So this is the power of white people.

[OFF 2]

The worst part is, most of these guys managed to get their dick wet and will reproduce.

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The Sam Fisher Collection. Has all the spy v merc multiplayer versions.

You're going to need back up this claim

Segagaga, I'll drink for that

What's the source on all these vids? I want to see why they're being whiter than onions milk.

I want a remaster of Fallout: New Vegas on the playstation more than anything else. I would be cautiously optimistic at best.