Enough about DLC
Did your main get buffed/nerfed?
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Samuel Perez
IT DIDN'T FUCKING GET ANYTHING
I CANT HANDLE BEING A JIGGLYPUFFCHAD ANYMORE
Oliver Scott
/FALCONCHADS/ WHERE WE AT?
Nicholas Lee
THE BOI IS BUFFED
Gavin Jenkins
Catalog use is cool.
Cooper Wright
>he got nothing again
FUCK I want him to get some changes, literally any kind of buff would be good for him, just something to help out with his jank a bit
Julian Collins
Who /unchanged/ here?
Lucas Wright
Rosalina herself was buffed again and Luma lost HP but that's irrelevant since Luma basically respawns instantly now.
Nathaniel Long
>Lucina got nerfed
She didn't need to nerfed for fucks sake
>Falcon got buffed
Good, he deserved it
Landon Clark
It hurts.
James Mitchell
my main was untouched. It must mean she's perfect the way she is.
Josiah Stewart
Like what change?
Ridley turning into an oppressive top tier is a very thin line considering he has the kill power of a nuclear submarine. Any changes that should be made to him should be done with much consideration.
Samuel Gonzalez
Buffs? I'll take'em
Nathaniel Johnson
>Bayonetta buffs
good shit, glad they aren't afraid to give her some love again
Camden Flores
Captain Falcon isnt any different.
No character is different at all
Andrew Hughes
>buff the down-b so that it's more useful, maybe make the start up a bit slower but give it a hit of armor like Focus Attack
>give him a little more weight, a balanced change since it helps his survivability but also makes him even easier to combo with his already enormous hurtbox
two off the top of my head, I'm not gonna suggest giving him extra jumps or anything because that's kinda dumb considering how there's already so little holding him back
Ayden Hughes
My furfaggotry returns.
Brandon Gutierrez
literally buffed for kills.
>isn't any different
Austin Barnes
Kirby bros rise up against the dev team right now
Joseph Kelly
Wow, 1% differences on all his moves that could technically be considered buffs
How revolutionary
Mason Rivera
DeDeDying inside
David Myers
>3 balance patches with no changes at all
Did they forget about Falco completely?
Zachary Turner
>neutral air: increased the range it will hit opponents on the ground.
Welp, that explains the match I just had with a lucario.
>side tilt is even better
Nice
>up-tilt comes out faster
Welp, time to practice my timing, love using it as a spike option.
Isaiah Rogers
Owen Nguyen
You literally have 50 damage combos
Leo Rivera
You can true combo side-b into the knee now on top of the knee having a bigger sweetspot so it's easier to combo into or just hit raw
You literally don't know what you're talking about
Jordan Nelson
Literally this, i dont know how my boy snake keeps getting buffs, but fuck yea
Jose Rodriguez
Yeah, at 0%, wow, how revolutionary
Andrew Wood
Falco is fine, you guys don't need shit
If anything they might just nerf him considering
Christopher Phillips
Were you even one of us during 4? You should be used to this, this is nothing.
Jayden Carter
Do people really think that line is so thin? His flaws outweigh his little positives by a large margin. Big characters with bad recoveries need SOMETHING overbearing in order to stop them from being complete shit.
Jonathan Bennett
>ZSS, who is the most viable Metroid rep, STILL got more buffs than Samus or Ridley
I don't understand the dev team's mindset. If you're gonna blatantly ignore characters with real problems then what's the point of even doing balance changes at all
Brayden Bailey
Dedede is perfect though. Not just memeing, I think he’s great and don’t know what changes would be fair
Chase Wood
Figuring out ways to balance fighters without making them meta defining takes time.
Nathaniel Gutierrez
welp, there's always next patch
Levi Scott
>all these pichu and lucina nerfs
i love it
Benjamin Morales
Thank god. I’ve been playing her a lot just because I like the character and moveset. These seem like decent changes to that consistently felt like bs
Benjamin Rivera
zoning characters are better when Nintendo's shitty online is in play
that's their mindset
>samus good because online casuals bad!
Gavin Davis
based user
Gavin Sanchez
How much you want to best their main got nerfed?
Alexander Wright
THERE YOU GO
Gabriel Moore
There's one major flaw with Ultimate Zelda
she's too dang cute
Nicholas Cox
Was Lucinas fair and side smash overpowered? I’m just surprised she got the change but not Marth
Lucas Mitchell
My boy Ken can finally make it to Evo now
Adam Rivera
It doesnt even combo into Up-B and thats his most reliable kill
Still a shitty character, a shadow of his former self
Anthony Davis
Joker got buffed and I continue to struggle to learn him. Dark Samus got slightly buffed. Ike needed nothing and got nothing. Robin and Ridley got nothing and both still totally suck. At least nobody got nerfed.
Easton Ramirez
Many of the characters that felt a bit OP got nerfs, but ffs they need to reduce the power of Chroms side smash; it’s got the crazy speed of Roy’s but without the need to be super close for full power
Asher Price
My boy was untouched, but I like him where he is.
There needed to be some reason to play Marth.
Andrew Miller
Trash patch as always too afraid to make real changes. Wolf and Olimar nerfs? Barely makes a dent but I guess it's something. It's just not going to do anything to the current state. Yeah I bet now Kirby or Luigi or Zelda can totally fight and win against these guys. Oh wait.
Lucas Roberts
When the fuck are they going to nerf Ness? Don't they realize how incredibly OP that faggot is?
Noah Rogers
Ryu and Ken are looking pretty slick right now.
I wonder why nobody uses Falco at high level.
Brody Sullivan
He’s not though. He’s got some ridiculously strong attacks but they’re usually pretty telegraphed. It’s only really a problem in teams without team damage but so are many characters. He’s also VERY easily countered by certain characters like Marth, Rosalina, Villager
They should definitely limit him to one PK fire at a time though.
Leo Reyes
Maybe they will now that Wolfs been taken down a peg
Nicholas Sanchez
>I wonder why nobody uses Falco at high level.
Look at top tiers and look at the effort required to do the same thing. Palutena literally just has to press the A button while in the air a few times.
Carson Foster
>Pikachu
>Increased grab range.
Thank fuck, that was a genuine weakness of Pikachu.
Thomas Hill
Wolf and Fox are just better, why play arguably the worst version of something when you could play one of those two?
Colton King
So it's not that he's bad, just that the others are better and easier?
Christopher Reed
they weren't overpowered per se, just bullshit at times because the range on her fair is fucking massive
Andrew Flores
pretty much, there's a significant difference in Wolf v. Falco
Landon Wright
>pichu getting nerfed up the wazoo
thank god
>cloud's nair still is M2K earphone spin
FUG
Samuel Garcia
Falco is bad at high level play. He has no neutral game, just a good punish game. Every top player puts him at mid tier.
Nicholas Nelson
How is he OP?
>PK Fire has small range, goes on a downward angle and can be easily jumped over.
>Only has 1 jump and is gimp food out the ass
>Really small limbs so all his tilts have horrible range
>Up Smash and Down Smash are gimmicky and very unsafe. Side Smash is very slow.
>Neutral Special is absolutely completely useless
Like really his Air game is the only good part about him.
James Perez
Fix his shitty up smash and let phantasm go through shields again.
Luke Bailey
Kinda glad he didn't get anything this update. He's in a good spot right now
Joshua Stewart
correction: M2K Pen Spin
Easton Kelly
Post more Sheik, please
Leo Jones
>They buffed the shit out of him
Also on another note, my secondary main Samus/Dark Samus got a buffed Up Smash so I'm happy about that as well
Hunter Wilson
What if Sheik was a girl?
Tyler Long
The xhe wouldn't be one of the earliest examples of trans representation in video games.
Carson Butler
>utilt buffed
WE TOP TIER NOW, GAME & CHADS
Joseph Williams
We here bro
William Thomas
G&W is slept on. It won't be long until his full potential is unleashed.
Asher Sanders
>K. Rool's uair has faster edge-grab range detection.
So, what does this mean? Can he use uair to mix it up at ledge without being pseudo-helpless now?
Xavier Morgan
>shulk gets a slight buff
THIS IS A GOOD RESULT
Mason Cooper
So now that Pichu, Peach, and Olimar got fucked. Who is taking their ranking as part of the top five?
Isaac Campbell
why did they remove morgana from joker's taunts wtf
just make him a little heavier
Sebastian Rodriguez
larry lurr (smash 4 best fox) mains (or at least secondaries) falco
Angel Martin
If anything all these new grab range increases and "Made it easier to hit multiple times" changes are going to make maining him even more miserable. Time to git gudder the hard way.
John Davis
Pikachu and Wolf are still up there, not sure who will take the third spot
Gavin Rogers
What about Wario and Inkling?
Dylan Thompson
Probably one of those two, Lucina got slightly nerfed but I don't know how bad it is since I haven't touched her post-update
Justin Edwards
>shoto buffs
>pichu nerfs
On the positive side, I’m glad my shotobros got buffed but I hope this doesn’t mean shitters and tryhards will try to pick em up.
I’m glad pichu got nerfed cause now all the tierwhores will drop him.
Pretty happy with this patch.
Evan Davis
this is now a G&W thread.
Some of you guys are alright.
Don't come to online tomorrow if you're near Flat Zone.
Happening arena will be posted later.
so long, space Yokois.
Isaiah Martinez
how come every g&w i see online just up-b then dairs. literally it's the most telegraphed shit every time i just rebel's guard it and win for free
Julian Hall
Ryu and Ken will remain specialist picks because of the execution barrier. Shitters and tryhards want characters who don't need any commitment or effort to do well.
Nathan Nelson
>Duck Hunt
>Up Air Attack
>Made it easier to hit multiple times.
I wish they had also done that to his down air.
Evan Anderson
Falco may have combos but his neutral is complete ass. His spacing tools are near nonexistant and even characters worse than him with better aerials can give him a run for his money. Falco's good matchups are really only against zoners, courtesy of the best reflector in the game.
Mason Lopez
Unfortunately my game got nerfed
I'm gonna have to buy an SD card because I can't make enough room for this even if I delete everything else
Camden Butler
/Ryu/KenChad/ HERE, BACK TO SM4SH GLORY
Jonathan Fisher
Can't wait for Memetain Faggot to get dropped next game.
His fans are cocky, unsportsman, and complete homo tools. He also has less games than the PS3.
Carter Collins
I'm glad they finally fixed his grab range.
Ayden Sullivan
>Started maining captaimfalcon last month on a whim
>Hoped he would get a buff from this patch
Dear god I have some weird luck
Sebastian Walker
>patch about making making multiple hits string together correctly
>Samus neutral A still not fixed
Why
Blake Morgan
Yep, my boy Cloud got a sight buff but still a good one.
Jacob Wright
>No Kirby buffs
FUUUUUCK
Christian Cooper
>megaman untouched
completely fine, he feels perfect as is anyway
Jacob Turner
It's a """feature"""
Jason Anderson
They probably have no intentions of buffing her jab considering the in game tips even say her jab sucks. The life of Dark Samus mains is one of meritocracy.
Logan Robinson
Looks like he isn't moving up anytime soon
Hudson Hughes
>She didn't need to nerfed for fucks sake
She is clearly better than Marth, which is odd for an Echo. Still, yeah, she was still bellow Roy, who didn't get nerfed alongside her.
Jayden Diaz
>Another patch
>Another big load of NOTHING for Piranha Plant
Hello darkness my old friend...
Jaxson Bennett
No nerfs and a small buff? Excellent.
DORYYYAAHHHH
Cooper Carter
>Buff Falcon
>Buff Samus
>Buff Rosea
>Fixed Bayo D-Special
>Nerfed Olimar
>Self Destructing Pichu
Fuck with all of this I'll take the wolf buffs with a shit eating grin.
Dominic Myers
Gavin Turner
Honestly the only change I'd make is to his Up B. Even after figuring out exactly how it works it still sucks dick for no readily apparent reason, and I'm not talking solely about the angles.
Gavin Scott
Joker still got that drip
Owen Evans
>I don't understand the dev team's mindset.
I don't play smash (I'm a pokkenfag), but this seems pretty obvious to me: Sakurai and his team don't understand competitive smash.
They just straight up do not understand how competitive smash is played or what is considered good or bad for competitive play.
Noah Baker
Rather. They are balancing low and mid level play. Specially online. With online lag ZZSamus struggles a lot to be precise, and landing kills. With online lag Ridely has less problems stuffing his huge hitboxes and low and mid level players have trouble handling his attacks. In the eyes of the Dev team, Ridley is balanced for the average consumer.
Dominic Davis
I forgot, did the belmonts get changed?
James Smith
IT’S NOT FAIR
Blake Scott
Pichufags BTFO
Ryder Murphy
Peach got a slap in the back of her hand compared to other mains who have it much harder. According to most, she's still easily top 5. And even if she gets deranked, it was inevitable, but still has it better than other characters.
Joshua Howard
She ain't getting shit and it kills me
Jeremiah Howard
Word of warning
mobile.twitter.com
Smash 4 era Bayonetta might be coming back and that might piss people off. Just seeing that combo made me bitter due to how easy it seems to pull off for easy wins. She kills Peach barely at 50%.
Nolan Powell
They didn't get changed at all
Jace Carter
Don't forget chef and judge spam
Caleb Flores
Based and Kenpilled
Kayden Lee
>Kirby mains
Stop complaining and start using your copy ability. Please.
Regards,
Masahiro Sakurai
Cooper Hernandez
that possible prepatch too retard
Nathaniel Wood
The other videos don't count, only the Peach one (dated 31 May). Those were former videos much before the patch.
Bentley Cruz
>Raptor boost more consistent
>Knee more consistent
>Utilt faster
>Ftilt and bair stronger
What can I say, it's more than I could ever ask for
Nolan Gomez
damn, no sonic buffs?
Jason Sanchez
Benjamin Jackson
dude, i know, the may 31st one was possible prepatch. here are bayo's buffs:
Bayonetta Neutral Attack 1 Increased the amount of time hit detection lasts.
Bayonetta Flurry Attack Finish Extended launch distance.
Bayonetta Dash Attack Extended launch distance for the high-damage range.
Bayonetta Up Tilt Attack Made it easier to hit multiple times.
Bayonetta Down Smash Attack Increased the amount of time hit detection lasts.
Bayonetta Side Special Reduced vulnerability when landing.
Bayonetta Up Special Reduced vulnerability when landing.
Bayonetta Down Special Increased the amount of time counter detection lasts.
Increased the amount of time Bat Within’s detection lasts.
Increased the recovery speed of Witch Time's duration.
lets go in order
in the clip, these were not used: neutral attack 1, flurry attack finish, dash attack, down smash, down special
lists of moves that were used: up tilt, side special, up special
i can see where you might have attributed the video to the up-b and side-b buffs but the landing lag is only reduced ON LANDING. if it had less lag lag, then it would say "reduced vulnerability" in the patch notes
Mason Davis
Still perfect and there's nothing you can do about it
Grayson Scott
Cry more bitch, Bayonetta deserves to be top tier.
Grayson Lee
dumb palutranny
Cameron Brown
>nothing you can do about it
I can kill you at 50%
Luke Watson
i wish they would buff her ear size
Alexander Myers
Nothing to complain about.
Joshua Russell
>faster utilt
I'm a utilt fanatic so I'm very happy about that.
Nathaniel Powell
>nothing
Wyatt Wood
It looks so weird to me in ult but I'm getting used to it
Samuel Sullivan
>Wolf "nerf"
>if anything they made his down smash more reliable
Julian Brooks
>taken down a peg
lmao
Ian Mitchell
>best reflector
not anymore
Isaiah Rodriguez
Lol, Wolf' down smash was actually stealth buffed so it compensates.
Jayden Johnson
>Forard Aerial and Back Throw took a noticable hit.
>Down B speed nerf is minimal
>Side B is still reliably safe on hit in most cases
>Up B got a stability update again
>Golf Club is actually not trash anymore
>combos are untouched
>down throw combos are untouched
>floating still ignores the short hop multiplier
Still tip top tier. just lost a bit of spice
Colton Turner
You do know that Sakraui never wanted this character in smash an only added him in due to fan bitching, right? He will NEVER be buffed or nerfed as Sakurai is a fucking child.
Jaxson Gray
>why did they remove morgana from joker's taunts wtf
Damn, I hopped that they removed Joker.
Jonathan Evans
I'll take being untouched over any undeserved nerfs
David Perez
>they nerfed olimar but not snake
Camden Hall
Good, no one cares about this shitheap of a character.
A literal turd would have been a better choice.
Cameron Evans
It's Sm4sh all over again.
Ian Mitchell
>Sakurai and his team don't understand competitive smash.
Remember, Sakurai thinks the game is perfectly balanced.
and there it is. god fucking damn it.
William Morris
What the hell do you mean? His obnoxious jab is now even more obnoxious
Aiden Young
i'll take no changes over a nerf anyday
FUCKING DAMNIT SAKURAI GIVE ME MY METEOR DOWN TILT AND EXPLOSIVE SPIKE DAIR SWEETSPOT BACK
Aaron Stewart
Plantfags deserve it for being obnoxious cunts.
Eli Miller
>Expected nothing
>Got tons of Mac Buffs
I'm satisfied
Anthony Bailey
>he thinks Sakurai is involved with balancing
Matthew Walker
hehe
Lincoln Morales
But Ridley has nothing to be nerfed
It can only get buff
Lucas Adams
>made it easier to hit multiple times
was using him all night and people still fell out of it when it should have been a solid hit.
also, what kind of fucking patch is
>lol your attack works like it should have from the beginning
give the duck more range on his up tilt and a fucking throw kill before 200%+
Hudson Clark
>faggot is already fearmongering
Owen Lopez
IIRC a good number of Samsora's kills are fair and back throw. This is not insignificant. Lower end of top tier IMO.
Asher Green
Gonna have to pick him up again
Austin Bailey
Fair and bair kill 15% later, that is a significant change to a character that was already easy to kill
Jackson Thomas
Can't be as reliant on them now. Better start using that golf club more
Sweet spot fair kills 8% later and back air is unchanged.
These reactions sound very similar to when most though bayonetta was mid tier in 4 after the final patch and we saw how that turned out.
Michael Brown
"Everyone needs a kill throw! Lol!"
Fuck off, you're a zoner, you get kills from zoning
Gavin Baker
most of the buffs and nerfs were for characters that were bottom and top tier according to tournaments you retarded faggot
Kayden Morales
okay what's your excuse for link, toon link, young link (with fucking swords), snake, ivysaur, olimar, mega man, villager, etc;?
Zachary Gonzalez
Their Zoning tools confirm, they dont kill on their own, aside from Snake, who can kill with Utilt, which makes sense.
Kayden James
Here's what to do to improve Ridley
>Buff the knock back growth for side B so that it's a better kill move
>Reduce start up and end lag for side B
Michael Evans
her f smash got buffed
Jack Reed
MUFFUGAS YOU AIN'T GETTIN NONE FROM ME
FUCKIN UP THE GAME LIKE DOUG FUNNIE
Ryder Robinson
okay user.
Ayden Gonzalez
>Golf Club is actually not trash anymore
Tippered golf club kills nearly 15% earlier. I love it. The sour hit is basically the old tipper sweetspot knockback wise
Joseph Diaz
Which was the golf club? The normal angle of side smash?
Adrian Sanders
this, side b is such a dumb move. slow as shit and doesnt even kill until 150 or above
Alexander Young
Golf Club is no angle
Frying Pan is up
Tennis Racket is down
Jason Roberts
Don't tempt fate
Nathan Taylor
Yup.
Carter James
Buff Sheik you little bitch Sakurai
Carter Gray
Kirby mains be grindin hard. The Ultimate release itself nerfed kirby by proxry
>landing lag reduced 50% across the board
What the fuck is half of zero!? SAKURAIIIII
Isaac Garcia
No smash 4 top tiers are allowed to be meta defining.
Jonathan Reyes
Side B is stage control. If you land it, you just won neutral. Go offstage after a not-kill and fair or nair.
Reduced startup would be amazing but let's not pretend that's Ridley's most glaring flaw. Dair sucks, wonky and limited up B options suck, down B is useless 99.99% of the time, he's too light, and an extra jump would be a godsend.
Parker Ortiz
zero suit is top tier
Nathan Bell
>Pichu
multiple
>Increased the amount of damage taken when using the move.
guess pichu has to suffer more
Robert Parker
He's too light because he's fast for a big body character
Jayden Nguyen
One person *Carrying* her doesnt mean anything
Lincoln Martin
Jaxon Jenkins
Fuck you nip thats the only thing that makes him viable in 1v1 and you think we dont know this? Just give some of the kurbsters' attacks more priority. Im still waiting for brawl hammer Sakurai. Id love to see his ass get ladder combo'd so i can shame him.
Jayden Edwards
Palutena didn't get nerfed, still maining her.
Probably going to pick up Joker a lot more.
Luke Brooks
thank you sakurai, very cool
Jacob Foster
right here
Evan Brown
>still has no forward air and thus gets shit on by swordies
Jaxon Cruz
It kind of does seeing how Esam has been carrying Pikachu for years
Austin Hernandez
They made Ivysaur's neutral-B less janky, and Charizard's jab combo more potent.
I'll take it.
Elijah Cox
slight inkling buff instead of a nerf
fine with that
Lucas Hill
He's Charizard speed. Except Zard's initial dash and air speed are faster. And look at how much he gets used, whether you want to compare that to the other pokémon or not.
Jaxon Young
Plant got buffed tangentially. I also just discovered that despite my success with him, he’s like the bottom 5 of characters? And that makes me feel good, since I still beat my friends.
Robert Baker
Neutral specials that were affected in 3.1.0
>Donkey Kong
>Pichu (nerf)
>Ivysaur
>Diddy Kong
>Lucario
>Wolf (nerf)
>Little Mac
>Bowser Jr.
>Ken
>Ryu (SHAKUNETSU HADOKEN mothafucka)
It's something.
Christian Moore
Jose Fisher
My spar partner is a peach main. My #1 complaint about peach is how everything she does has priority. Delaying the inevitable is no nerf
Brody Russell
The Holy Trinity of being strong, not OP, and being slept on
Damn it feels good.
Luke Smith
Robin getting ignored is actually a good thing considering how it seems someone has an irrational hate for her and nerfed her for no reason from 4 to Ult
Christian Cruz
Kaioken mode is not ok, im onto you....
Kayden Bell
Wow it's fucking nothing.
Jose Price
Corrin has pin, shut up
Christopher Cooper
i'm glad that the faggots who didn't care about pikmin are gone
Landon Kelly
It's no speed buff, but at this point i'm not even sure he need it.He was designed with clear flaws in mind and being a solid mid tier fits him well.
Jordan Hill
>Did your main get buffed/nerfed?
I guess Marth got buffed, since Lucina is slightly worse now
Ryan Edwards
I'm not complaining. He doesn't need much.
Kevin Cox
Upsmash.
Roll.
Upsmash.
Roll.
Forward smash.
Win Grand finals of Thundersmash
Joshua Young
Is she though?
Less knock back on Fair seems like she can chain them at even later %'s now
Thomas Anderson
right here, pal.
Caleb Phillips
Marth already had that if you miss the tip.
Jacob Jenkins
3 patches in and all I got were a pill nerf ans FS buff. Fuck the balance team and fuck Smash Brothers.
Angel Wilson
dude i'm happy that olimar got nerfed
Jack Moore
>Doesn't fix Falcos multihit attacks
At least Falcon was buffed
Easton Watson
Logan Miller
>Diddy buffed
>Falcon buffed
>Olimar BTFO
>Pikachu gets a grab buff while Pichu gets BTFO
>Wolf's shine is a combo tool
absolutely based now fix the fucking online
Chase Diaz
Nothing much has changed.
Luke Taylor
Honestly, aside from knee being made easier to sweetspot and bair being slightly buffed, most of Falcon's buffs aren't significant.
Two of his tilts were buffed but rarely ever do you tilt as Falcon, and his Raptor Boost fixes are welcome but you rarely ever use the move as Falcon.
I wish they had buffed his slow dash, grab, jab, and uair because his combos still barely work.
Andrew Garcia
>Mario untouched
The King is still King.
Isaiah Thomas
I forgot about the patch and went online, suddenly finding myself at a much higher percent then I thought I should be. I knew something was off but holy shit
Bentley Gray
>Character with a better limit then cloud somehow
Dylan Brooks
if they were going to shit on his upair and smashes the least they could've done was increase his jab speed
Brandon Ward
Diddy feels good bros. I’m happy.
Oliver Price
The side b change is really good. Makes one of his combo starters way more reliable. His killing issue was improved by buffing fair and bair. And uptilt may still be trash but it was at least improved.
Ya he still has issues but I think the buffs were pretty solid. Especially Side B, improved combo starter on the combo character.
Brayden Collins
>Samus
>Up smash connects better now, supposedly
How many years have they been trying to make that move work now?
Parker Reyes
>tfw I still win with him 90% of the time
People underestimate the kinds of bullshit he can get away with. Getting pressured? press b
Opponent at kill percent? Stretch that neck. Make them think it's safe to jump in then bite em early.
He's conditioning, the character
Jason Richardson
It’s nothing until they let him use side B again in the air after being hit. Literally ever other character gets theirs
Elijah Johnson
Did the devs just forget Sonic is in the game? Dude really needs some improvement.
Camden Davis
Why do people keep saying "did they forget (x) exists?!?!?!?"
You got buffs the last patch, as did Shiek, Mewtwo, Corrin, and several other characters not touched in this one. This is to be expected, they're being cyclical with big changes, most likely so they can see if their changes actually helped the character a lot or not.
t. Kirby main
Christopher Thomas
Post more Ridley, please.
Ryan Cruz
All he’s really gotten is Final Smash buffs though. I would like to get some of his kill power back from moves like up smash and back throw.
Noah Wright
Evan Ross
>Nana will no longer jump when pressing the jump button right after a grab.
F
Luis Ward
olimar nerf in action
Connor Sanders
I can understand your plight, don;t get me wrong. just don't think they're ignoring you because you went one patch without big buffs.
Isaiah Long
heavies arent allowed to be overpowered because it emasculates people who pick fast characters
Anthony Moore
>ROB got nothing except a fix to jab
>Mewtwo got nothing
Colton Edwards
No, fuck Sonic, his retardedly fast ass can stay nerfed.
Matthew Fisher
Is it finally our time falconbros?
Will Fatality finally top 8 a major?
Christian Ross
I'm pretty sure the icies Discord already found a workaround, at least one memberr said so in the comments of Armada's video on the patch
Blake Sanders
>wanting R.O.B buffs
Die.
Connor Watson
Pichu/Olimar hurtbox change shown with pics
Adam Scott
Good. No one should love this meme character.
Ethan Reyes
Lucario is back.
Ryan Gonzalez
>not wanting R.O.B. buffs
Die.
Cooper Fisher
>Ridley witnesses K. Rool's gigantic girth underneath the belly armor
Jordan Davis
fine with me. He could easily just fly under the stage to the other side to recover
Anthony Adams
>"HAHAHA U MAD ROSTERFAGS? PLANT IS GOOD BECAUSE IT MAKES PEOPLE MAD XD XD"
>no buffs, remains shit-tier
Pottery.
Luke Phillips
>almost nothing for Wii Fit
I guess I'm happy enough.
A little disappointed at the weak default angle on the volleyball still but I'm just happy we're infrequent enough to not be nerfed
Charles Myers
Sheik IS a girl.
Ayden Thompson
bet he likes it
Christian Ramirez
Which is a good thing
Ideally, all characters end up in mid tier
Isaac Thomas
Inkling won't touch top 5 despite all the claims of being broken or top tier.
The character is strong, but not really overwhelmingly so.
Wario will probably never be considered quite Top 5 material as long as there are as many good swordies as there are, but he's Top 10 for free.
The Lucina kill power nerf is a fantastic thing for him.
Thomas Russell
Asher Fisher
I swear it feels like you guys want things to get buffed or nerf just so you can say they got buffed or nerfed. Why does ROB need a buff? He's fine and gets A LOT of exposure in tournaments.
Jonathan Moore
Donkey Kong
Neutral Special
Super armour lasts longer after unleashing the fully charged move.
It's something, I guess...
Anthony Kelly
i am so fucking happy that wolf got buffed i was expecting him to get raped.
mewtwo really needed more buffs though.
Leo Jones
His bury throw is the weakest bury effect in the entire game. You can insta-mash out of it even at like 120%.
Also his back air is like, the slowest and laggiest back air in the game, ridiculously hard to hit anything with it due to how much delay it has.
Jack Johnson
>Their Zoning tools confirm, they dont kill on their own,
Olimar's Purple Pikmin Toss kills.
Link's remote bomb kills.
Mega Man has a whole bunch of zoning tools that kill.
Mason Ramirez
Can't complain. Marth dodging a Lucina nerf is pretty funny.
Alexander Brooks
Get fucked piece of shit weed
Woomy/WFT main here, these updates completely make up for Toon Link and Duck Hunt feeling terrible to play lately. It’s also nice to see Captain Falcon get buffed.
Jackson Lee
No one really knows who the bottom 5 are since there are 72 characters and there are at least a dozen good ones that literally no one uses. It'll probably be until February of 2020 before we get an "official" tier list.
Ethan Lee
Yo, last patch was EXTREMELY kind to Wii Fit.
Don't be greedy.
Sebastian Watson
Tier lists only apply to high-level tournament play.
Just because you can DORIYAH your friends to death doesn't mean Ganon is good.
Jonathan Martin
When the fuck are they buffing Luigi's recovery
Landon Adams
>Main Cap Falcon
>Switched to Lucina about 2 weeks ago
>This patch notes
It's a sign isn't it?
Landon Butler
>Duck Hunt
As a Duck Hunt main from Smash 4, I don't see how anyone can say he feels terrible to play. He actually has decent kill options, Clay Pigeon links into itself, directional airdodge out of Duck Jump is a godsend, smash attacks that actually work, and other things I',m probably forgetting. He's not as good compared to other characters for sure, but he can still hold his own in tournament like Raito is showing off
Daniel Adams
Cry me a moon river, bitch boy.
Connor Rivera
Yeah I know that he’s not as good as other characters, it’s probably just me slowly adapting another play style which frustrates the hell out of me. I can’t even properly kill opponents with him anymore.
Charles Scott
jump and buffer side b charge out of it immediately
secret boost jump tech, dont tell sakurai
Zachary Morris
some decent nerfs
Hunter Morgan
Any tips for falcon?
Henry James
Nigga I'm just happy she's better than she was in the previous games.
Levi White
uwu
Cooper Perry
Good. Fuck Olimar
Aiden Lopez
Jordan Cook
we're gonna make it boys
Brandon Brooks
>gave her more jank options
based
Evan Lee
Nothing short of rework is saving down-b. The entire aim of it seems to be a flashy, cruel, and violent falcon punch.
Aiden Gray
Learn to attack cancel or whatever autistic name smashfags gave it. The instant back air thing, especially after down throw. Use back air offstage. Also use side b now that it's much better.
Logan Sanders
Absolutely nothing, again. Is there any hope at this point? Each update seems to buff a few characters pretty well but I just dunno if they'll bother with my big boy. It's disheartening cause a few changes could make him really good.
Gavin Miller
>big lucia nerf
>marth untouched
>pichuniggers sent to the shadow realm
Hudson Gonzalez
hope this rat gets nerfed to hell
Liam Miller
What the fuck why is no one cockfighting their amiibos?
Ryan Lopez
Can he have some air speed too? Also why do I feel like I get punished as Ridley when I land an attack or block?
This. Being a big target is fine and there's characters on the roster that show they can be good. Maybe not SSS tier easy jank win all the tourneys, but good. Let Ridleys only weakness be his size while everything else like air speed, frame data, etc are killer.
I'm just worried Ridley won't get anything before updates are finished rolling out. Like do they know he could use some attention? Do they care? I don't think his kit is garbage. It seems pretty solid outside like what, two moves? So seeing that some number tweaks could help him a lot but not getting them is unfortunate.
Jace Fisher
SLOWLY COMING OUT OF Z TIER.
MAC BOYS RISE
Caleb Torres
Nathan Stewart
>That feel when nobody has found that art of Ridley mid nair flipping the viewer off.
Why did I never save it? Unless it was in some Ridley montage vid on youtube but I've watched a bunch of those over the past six months so fuck me. Kinda resembles this.
Anthony Phillips
>no changes for kirby
damn it
>peach buffed
sweet
Robert Bailey
He could've gotten more. I stand by my opinion that Iysaur is too good in most situations and is holding Squirtle and Charizard back as a result, especially Charizard who's hitboxes are fucking nonexistent half the time.
Ayden Rivera
>Peach
What? God dammit why and how?
Ayden Phillips
Real glad they don't think any of his goofy shit is busted enough to nerf.
Sucks that Dr. Mario didn't get a recovery buff tho, he's super fun to play as and like my favorite secondary (except when I get yeeted off the stage and gimped at 30%)
Kevin Miller
>Ken gets super buffed
Finally. I've waited so long for this.
John Torres
I know what you mean. A lot of my mains got changed from the jump to Sm4sh to Ultimate.
I can play him now and I have noticed a good amount of buffs to accommodate his new play style.
My secondary is Doc so I'm begging for something in the next patch :/
James Jones
Hey guys. Myran here.
Well, I guess this is my last tournament. It all has to come to this. Tomorrow is the day of Retribution, the day I will have my revenge against the PGR. Against all of you.
Hudson White
>Ryu Hadouken patch
good lord I'm ready
Dylan Ross
do the captain falcon buffs give him anything interesting? new combos that weren't possible before or anything?
Adrian Harris
Don't bully Myran. His sole crime is that reddit fucking hates him and he refuses to suck their dick, so they hate him even more.
Jaxon Hill
You can literally combo side b into knee at low percents now.
And you can get the melee backwards knee due to the hitbox increase
Parker Fisher
>PLANT GANG PLANT GANG PLANT GANG XDDDD
>NO NO NO NO NO NO NO WHY IS HE NOT GOOD?!?! SAKURAI PLEASE BUFF ME!!!
This is the fate you deserve for supporting shitty meme characters.
Isaac Nguyen
Jeremiah Peterson
*hits you offstage once*
Owen Campbell
I'm glad the same thing is happening to K Rool and Ridley too desu
Cameron Thomas
Myran will stick w/Oli. But man, why the fuck did they nerfed all his other shit? Only thing that needed a nerf was up smash
Isaac Miller
Wish they could also increase Side B’s Hitbox so it can actually land on small characters
Caleb Cooper
Pichu is still good. Now he's literally a high risk high reward
Kevin Harris
>Bayo still sucks even with those buffs
God dammit.jpg
Jaxson Murphy
>he still thinks Ridley and K. Rool were just memes
Fucking off yourself. Clearly underage.
Jose Miller
It's funny because he still sucks. So does ryu
Jackson Lopez
25th and 33rd at an A-tier tourney isn't too bad
Chase Campbell
>Mii Brawler can now autocancel fair in a short hop
How did this go unnoticed?
Henry Baker
Been arguing about Smash since Brawl. Ridley and K Rool have always been memes.
Brody Ramirez
superarmor on air jet hammer, and way lower landing lag on everything, trying to drop atop anyone is practically impossible if they're just waiting to shield your coming down, and good fucking luck if it's anyone with good run speed, you're going to be practically juggled a full stock
Daniel Hernandez
Because almost no one cares about Miis and if they do it's only Swordfighter.
Robert Butler
she got 4 nerfs and 3 buffs but they buffed her shitty moves and barely nerfed the good ones
Grayson Wilson
Make Down B pop shields
Josiah Long
The second hit of her jab can actually get kills at 140%. It's supposed to be a slow, strong hit.
Evan Anderson
Think Samus could do with a couple more buffs, namely finally fix jab combo after 5 games of it not working.
Jordan Turner
Yeah. I took her for a spin this morning and was surprised how fast Luma comes back. It's pretty nice.
Charles Turner
I legit forgot that Lucario was in the game.
Anyways, the Bayo buffs are welcomed
Henry Cox
It's worthless if your opponent has two functioning brain cells, they will always be able to avoid it in any situation at any percent, its kill power is a non entity
Cooper Cruz
Most players didnt pick up Oli as a counter pick/secondary character anyways. Oli was a rare character online, and only Myran, Shuton, and Dabuz were the only ones getting results with him.
Robert Hernandez
>Very, very slight buff
Still not enough to get me to turn the game back on
Jaxson Rivera
>Changing a tilt for G&W
>Not fixing his awful f-air
Joseph Parker
>cloudniggers got another buff
fuck
Jaxson Lopez
First take off his panic button
Cooper Price
Okay. Yeah, more people are picking up Captain Falcon and Lucario. I just fought two Lucarios back to back, when I previously didn't see him online, and a few Falcons last night.
Ian Bailey
A very small buff that many other characters got
Samuel Rogers
Has Nintendo never heard of the term, "Hitstun" before?
Isaiah Flores
His Up Tilt is pretty based though. It's a solid combo starter into Bair at low percents all the way to 70% wih Uair, and it kills at 130%+ depending on character (though G&W doesn't really struggle for kills as is).
I don't find Fair to be a bad move like most think, it's actually a good kill move onstage when the opponent gets next to no time to react to the weak hit of bomb and it detonating on the ground, but it could use some help in the air though.
Carter Richardson
>amiibos are now allowed in arenas
fuck yes that you based sakurai my dream of hosting an amiibo cockfighting tournament is almost here
Juan Hernandez
They've explicitly used the term "hitstun shuffling" to refer to DI and SDI, so the fact that they don't use it here here is baffling
Jackson King
>pichu gets nerfed out the ass
FUCK
Juan Barnes
Easier to grab the ledge after using it
Lincoln Russell
Mario still not changed.
Carson Baker
>pseudo-helpless
What did he mean by this lol
Thomas Carter
*hits you offstage*
*spams downsmash at ledge for ez 2frame*
nothing personnel, kid
Wyatt Williams
Pick up the other electric rat. Pichu players act like they can't play Pikachu, when only slight adjustments need to be made.
Jackson Bailey
Good. Still king of the mountain.
Hunter Howard
nintendo never uses standard FGC terms
Nicholas Hughes
I'm kinda surprised that Pichu got smacked with heavy nerfs but Pikachu didn't. They're almost the same character.
Ryan Phillips
Its because its directly translated from Japanese
Daniel Ortiz
Wut
Xavier Sullivan
Rool and Ridley both need and deserve buffs. I think Ridley is better off than Rool but they could both do with some changes. Wanting characters to not be on par with everyone else is stupid. Not saying the Plant should be bad here either, all characters should be viable.
Why does it not do this? Utter bullshit. It does like no shield damage at all either.
The memes were "too big" and "irrelevant" The characters themselves are important to their franchise and have legitimately been wanted on the roster for over 15 years.
Sebastian Brown
>electric rats can do bullshit uptilt nair combos with a super consistent knockback direction on nair
>meanwhile Mewtwo's nair still just sends the opponent flying in a random direction and it's almost impossible to follow up with anything
thanks sakurai
Xavier King
Stop playing Mewtwo. He was always a meme. Play a better Pokémon.
Jayden Evans
>Those Pichu nerf
Oh boy...
Kayden Scott
I'm looking for it too. Shit's gotta be somewhere.
Dominic Hall
Why was everyone complaining about olimar?
t. diehard pikmin fan that's been playing him since brawl but hasn't had a chance to play a lot of him in ultimate
Christopher Smith
Dunno why people are so butthurt about the self-damage and killing ftilt. The selfharm doesn't amount to much and Pichu still has killing options for days, the only real nerf is the bigger hurtbox.
Landon Walker
Ridley's biggest problem is that he's a big target which isn't easy to fix. He's also the epitome of mid tier. None of us play in pro level tournaments so tiers honestly don't matter at this skill level. Just be happy that we can actually fucking hit pichu now.
My dream buffs for Ridley would be a bigger disjoint on tail attacks and huge shield damage from down B sweetspot.
Owen Williams
Because he was just bullshit all around. Bullshit disjointed hitboxes, bullshit knockback on half his moves, projectiles, super armor, insane recovery, etc.
Adam Peterson
He should be nerfed
Carter Hughes
just salty pichufags realizing that they have to actually play the character carefully now instead of just spamming hitboxes nonstop
Kevin Bailey
>Throw Pikmin
>Run Away
>Opponent attacks Pikmin latched
>Comes and punish with an aerial
>Run Away again / throw more Pikmin
>Shield > Up Smash
>Up Smash Spam
Jose Rivera
He basically had free 50%+ combos that were also safe on shield and near nonpunishable if whiffed, as well as an incredibly hard to punish recovery that basically refreshed itself if you hit him and freely let him loop under FD and Town and City and Smashville. He also STILL has a small body, decent mobility, and highly damaging combos that AREN'T safe on whiff. He got worse, but Dabuz is an overreacting faggot and greatly exacerbating how much.
Evan Young
t. Faggots with short term memory. Bayonetta cannot and should not ever be competitively viable ever again or the game will die.
Elijah Ross
>Joker
Buffed. I don't think he really needed it, but I'm okay with it. I really only play Smash with my friends, though, so I don't really pay attention to tiers and stuff like that.
John Bennett
I am a pichufag but I'm not salty at all. The bigger hurtbox really hurts but other than that I haven't noticed any changes.
Daniel Anderson
t. Sm4sh player
Adam Wilson
ftilt was a top 3 move in the game, and now people are gonna camp the shit out of pichu
so pichu players are butthurt
Landon Powell
twitter.com
no other character could just spam smash->roll->smash without getting punished. his smashes were all really safe on shield for no reason.
Plus upsmash combos into MULTIPLE upairs, leading into disgusting exchanges like this
youtu.be
the ONLY consistent way to counter him is to outcamp him, which is really fuckin toxic for the meta as well.
Oliver Thomas
>jab buffs
It's the small things that go a long way.
Kayden Myers
see
Dylan Gonzalez
Tr4sh players are the only true smash fans as they stuck with such a garbage game for too long. Ultibabies will never understand just how bad it was, and MeleeBoomers will continue to laugh and not care about subsequent games
Nicholas Turner
Did you completely miss the part where like the 3 best characters in the game got shat on
Peach, Pichu and Olimar just lost tons of viability
Grayson Myers
I mean, that shit tier doesn't matter since rosterfags don't play high level. They don't even play the game even.
Joshua Cox
Thing is I feel like I could do better as Ridley but I don't understand how. Like I have these habits that are ingrained in me, that I can't even pinpoint because it's just me, and no matter how many fights I have it doesn't matter. Plus if he had better frame data, air speed, that sorta thing he'd just be better in general.
Have you seen it before too, or just know about it from me bringing it up in these threads? I try not to bring it up often because it'd get annoying but once every month or so I chime in.
Jaxson Ortiz
>Daisy player
You didn't have to do my girl like that, Nintendo...
Samuel Adams
she's still top tier lmao
Kevin James
I've actually seen it but no one seems to have it.
Logan Sullivan
Captain Zack was the best part of smash 4's late cancerous life
Elijah Johnson
Ah, good, I'm not crazy and it actually does exist. That makes me feel just a tad bit better.
Bentley Williams
What's your neutral game plan as Ridley, what moves you use the most? Might want to using your ftilt and dtilt more if you aren't already and go for dtilt -> fair or dthrow -> fair when you can. Practice edgeguarding too since once you win neutral with Ridley you want to make it count
Jace Cox
>insane recovery
what
Michael White
This. And thank God for that. You know all they'd do is nerf him if they touched him at all, much better to have no changes.
Ethan Campbell
I guess I don't so much have a game plan as I play it by ear. If I land a hit I don't always get much off of it. When someone comes at me if I block I still seem to get punished for it. I probably jump too much but if I stay on the ground I just get grabbed and combo'd. Yet the same thing happens if someone jumps at me since a block just leads into a grab anyway. I probably can't explain it all too well.
Caleb Edwards
Megaman is the Greninja of Ultimate
Asher Diaz
Well meme'd good sir! Take my upvote!
Christopher Bell
Try to keep people out, you're essentially a spear using character so take advantage of your range and try to stay outside of theirs. Jumping is dangerous since you only have one defensive option at that point and your hurtbox is so big so if you're going to jump you should practice landing mix-ups, if your not good at thinking just fast fall nair but it's unsafe on block and honestly you shouldn't be jumping if the opponent is on the ground unless it's short hop nair, short hop fair, or RAR backair.
Samuel Kelly
Thanks
Brody Morales
I suppose.
At this point, All I want is better netcode, I'm getting angry about mother fuckers having some precog shielding
Luke Hernandez
They'd have to change quite a bit for her to become anything like she was in smash 4. Shes not even remotely close even with the buffs.
Nolan Jackson
>raptor boost > full hop up air > double jump up air > falcon dive is a true combo that kills mario at 40% even with DI
Looks like I found a secondary for my Mii Swordfighter
John Adams
Ryu may be shit, but this is the most annoying shit in the game. Up b And side b are some of the best moves in the game
youtu.be
Robert Barnes
especially if you sweetspot it
it should've been doing that day 1 so that the defender has a choice.
1. try to parry and risk taking 50%
2. try to parry and risk a shield break
3. try to spot dodge
4. jump out of shield
only 2 of those options are entirely safe and gives ridley some much deserved shield pressure
Jace Price
Based Nintendo.
Top tier-onlys BTFO
Reminder to play characters that you actually like
Landon Hill
>people defending this patch
They are just proving with each patch they dont know how to balance and theres to many characters to properly do it
David Edwards
Gray is old, black is new.
So basically olimar's hitbox is unchanged
Jordan Howard
Question to the FALCONCHADS, what tips and tricks do you have for neutral? All I know is shorthop 1st hit nair is the combo starter.
Levi Collins
I just hope the bottom 20+ characters all get love eventually. Sure I mainly care about my main but since I know how it feels to need/want some tweaks I don't want anyone to feel like their character is bad or forgotten.
Jason Taylor
Unchanged, and still underwhelming.
Carter Moore
Crutch using characters go and stay go. People say nothing should ever be nerfed and I say fuck that. Stupid shit should 100% be nerfed especially if it's an obvious advantage only accessible to that character.
Lucas Garcia
>Pikachu is literally Pichu but stronger
>Pichu gets nerfs across the board
>Pikachu got a buff
Alexander Brooks
Side BUBUBUBUBUBUBUBUBUBUBUBUBU
Robert Anderson
>King K. Rool
>Up Air Attack: Increased the speed of the edge-grab range detection.
a small buff, but cool anyway
Jacob Lopez
I mean someone is gonna be upset no matter how well they do. I think they are at least recognizing some characters who are a tad too strong and giving something to a lot of the ones who are absolute shit
Jackson Morgan
I'll be damned.
They actually gave Bowser JR some positive attention.
Robert Gray
Not enough to make him good. He at least needs his back air from smash 4 again.
Charles Peterson
Do you not follow competitive? Pichu was considered one of the best characters in the game completely outclassing Pikachu who people felt was overhyped
Luke Sullivan
Dash back and forth, grab.
Aaron Morris
So how's Diddy after the patch? his up B feels fantastic now at least.
Aiden Cook
The game is still far too slow. They seriously need to fix this.
Going from Melee to Ultimate is like putting on a 300 stone ball and chain.
Lucas Torres
anybody wanna try out the changes in an arena ?
Xavier Sanchez
>they don't patch game
>people whine and complain
>they do patch game
>people whine and complain
Nicholas Long
just play melee then and take a shower
Kevin Powell
So character doesn't play itself, got it.
Next patch just make I win button for picking Rob.
Nathan Baker
The speed of the game isn't going to change in a fucking patch.
Landon Rodriguez
Assming DLC's are mid+, I don't see anyone or patch removing Mac, B. bowser, and Kirby from bottom 3.
Adam Howard
chrom,sheik,rob all almost remain untouched. idk if it's a good thing or not
Christian Torres
>get Peachette spirit
>four empty spots before her (and after the P5 spirits)
um
Nathaniel Foster
Did you get the Labo spirits?
Kayden Gomez
>there are Labo spirits
Excuse me
Daniel Baker
Holy shit these Pichu dumpster nerfs
Jayden James
What the fuck, Is this a glitch?
Noah Jenkins
Holy shit, Little Mac buffs. My fucking guy.
Also were jabs and multihits so shitty that they had to improve literally every one in the game? I've never noticed a problem in thisgame with landing multihits.
Josiah Ward
hitting anything with ryu that isn't special allows you to cancel it with a special instantly, counter locks both characters for a few frames before the counterer hits back, however Ryu cancels his jab into true shoryuken which is frame 1 and invincible, it's even easier thanks to the extra frames of the counter
Parker Cooper
Well fuck Ryu even more. I hate how he can kill bowser at 80 with one move.
Jackson Turner
These patches have been on point though. Minor changes here and there to the characters who need some help or fixed
Samuel Robinson
Yes, you can sdi out really fucking easy, even at like 10% (Sdi is just mashing a direction until you get pushed out)
Julian Watson
>Nana will no longer jump when pressing the jump button right after a grab.
fucking hell, that's a big nerf to a lot of combos
Dylan Edwards
Man if it wasn't for the buffer ruining the shotos I'd actually really wanna main them with all these buffs.
Parker Jenkins
I stopped caring about the spirits once I beat all the challenges.
Brayden Brooks
It was relatively easier to slip out of a jab combo than it could be, which is why they tweaked it. Not stupid broken before but done characters did suffer and they probably made a base level change that affected most.
Mac needs his side B to return after being hit
Luis Johnson
I'm more upset that I still have to jump through hoops just to Bair off stage
Isaiah Ortiz
>four empty spots
Wait, is there a place to see all the spirits and what’s missing? Do they have a number or something?
Julian Morgan
Don't you like having less control over your character user?
Jaxon Edwards
It was during a week event for laboVR. I’m sure they’ll just be widely available at some point
Henry Ortiz
see
Brody Davis
I fucking hate the auto face mechanic. It completely fucks up my inputs. Especially if it isn’t 1v1 and it suddenly switches when there’s one opponent left.
Ryder Morris
Ethan Fisher
>no Kirby changes
WHY
Cameron Myers
It may be user error but I’ve fallen to my death because it shoryuken’d towards an offstage enemy instead of towards the stage
Noah Cox
I wish the blue Kirby had eyebrows and a crown. Ree.
Xavier Jackson
Josiah Morales
Logan Fisher
Why does he clap?
Brayden Long
>shirk is fine.
>zero suit Sami’s is fine.
>UGH! BAYO!!!
I still don’t get this? Is it just incles who can’t handle sexy mommy?
Dominic Cooper
Sebastian Martin
Lucas Robinson
The autoface mechanic and buffer combined make them nearly unplayable honestly. I dunno how many times it's sent me into a tatsu flying in the complete opposite direction from my opponent before.
John Perez
Cameron Edwards
>Peach got nerfed
>Lucario got buffed
I'm happy
Justin Martinez
Olimar nerfs were needed, but they unnecesarily gutted his recovery.
Ayden Watson
Lucas gang
Jason Cook
This is more a game problem than a character problem, but Cloud might be the worst sword in the game
Matthew Wright
>Peach lost a ton of viability
It’s cute that people unironically think this in less than 24 hours.
Sebastian Perez
The highest tiered character to take the biggest hit was olimar. The rest will still be great characters
Brandon Scott
I showed my friend this, telling him that ryu and ken have the best specials int the game (up b and side be) he immediately redirected saying
>"Lol you would hate older fighting games like mvc2"
I don't think i want to talk to him anymore...
Angel James
>try hard.
>shoto.
Even in street fighter I’d be asking wtf? Only true chads play the SF’s in smash.
Ryu’s can prove they’re using true inputs with the red fireball, and Ken with the crazy kicks.
Joseph Bailey
I mean, I didn't touched at all, maybe a few more buffs down the road.
Jeremiah James
t. Smash baby can’t input commands
Ryder Phillips
In a way, nerfing the other Top Tiers indirectly made Greninja an even better choice. If they gave him an actual grab and fixed his multihits he'd be Top 5 in the game even despite his lack of OOS options. He's really fucking strong here.
Cooper Gutierrez
That's how uppercuts work
Landon Nelson
>One single buff to the up smash which I hardly use
Perfect, keep Pac exactly the same
He's perfect as is
Nathan James
Honestly pichu was hit harder. Fuck that ftilt before the nerf
Chase Sanders
A character in Ult with any of these traits is guaranteed high tier
>Small frame to be hard to hit (Pikachu/Pichu)
>Strong aerials (peach)
>Good disjoints (i.e. a sword)
>Good frame data (Fox)
>Annoying specials (Snake/Inkling)
Olimar has every single one of these things
Colton Reed
They have yet to dial back the overtuned input buffering. That's all they really need to actually fix mechanically,
Alexander Morgan
Mario and Luigi has an uppercut and it doesn't counter counters.
Brandon Morris
>Wolf got a slap on the wrist while fellow top tiers got huge nerfs
>Ridley untouched
>Captain Falcon gets huge buffs
Alright I guess
Christian Sanders
Doc has strong aerials and superb frame data yet he's mid tier at best.
Carson Hall
I mean that's how they work in Street Fighter.
Charles Miller
They didn't touch all of Pichu's strengths though. He just has more risk to his rewards. Every Pichu player worth their salt knew the problematic ftilt and fsmash nerfs were coming, but while the ftilt doesn't kill, it still puts you in a bad spot against Pichu.
Now some Pichu mains that were just riding the character for easy wins will have to actually think.
Also Pichu's recovery wasn't touched (outside of recoil.) Unlike poor Olimar who's upB is pretty horrifying to watch in 3.1.0
twitter.com
Gabriel Ramirez
I don't see the problem with his recovery? Once he throws the pikmin he's able to travel from the blastzone to the stage? What are people complaining about?
Mason Hughes
Damn the balance team nuked olimar’s recovery
Andrew Evans
>quick3
Where are you finding these and where's quick 1 and 2
Adrian Phillips
It has a fuel system now so he has to land and recharge now instead of being able to fly freely after being edge guarded. Same happened to villager in 4
Jacob Jenkins
post yfw you're a squid kid who has survived every balance patch despite everyone bitching about you
Luke Morales
Right here
Brandon Ortiz
If olimar gets hit in his recovery at any point offstage he is dead. Even at low percents.
Ayden King
Fun fact, Smash Ultimate has far higher run speeds on all Melee characters, faster frame data(not accounting for L-Canceling), and higher launch speeds.
The only thing about Melee that is cleanly faster is aerial momentum.
Ayden Lee
Doc has mild power creep working against him and one of the worst recoveries in the game. I think he's kind of underrated in spite of that honestly, dude has some elements of high tier written all over him.
The Olimar hurtbox nerf might have saved one of his worst matchups. He can now shorthop BAir him. Quite a lot of characters got indirectly buffed from some of these changes.
Christian Watson
im happy for ken buffs
played some badass ken last night who 2-1'd me
dude was an absolute bro and he kicked my ass.
of course after that i fight a bunch of lame autistic characters like lucina, mario, lucina, lucina, ganondorf, snake, lucina etc. but those 3 fights made my night
just know that if you dont play some lame character (or hell, you can play a lame character if you dont play in a bitch way) you are saving smash online
Bentley Stewart
I can smell this post
Caleb Edwards
I wish his pills had the same power that they had in Melee
Aaron Powell
I'm really happy with the buffs, if they removed the buffer and autoface they would be perfect
Dylan Butler
And thank god for that. So many people talking about how Inkling is Top Tier and broken when the character never has gotten anywhere near the results for that.
James Williams
Oh yeah I think people sleep on the Doc too. His strenghts are huge but his weaknesses absolutely crush him.
Wait, what? Pills are the best they've ever been in this game.
Andrew Harris
That's not because Inkling is bad, that's because only lolicons use her and lolicons will never accomplish anything.
Easton Howard
>still nothing for zelda
Stop balancing around online shitters who can't deal with zoning
At least fix her fsmash and nair so people don't fall out ;_;
Parker Gutierrez
Pills did 7%-8% consistently in Melee
Jeremiah Howard
Have a shower
Juan Lee
Every single character I use got a fucking buff
Feels good
Isaiah Gray
Retards still complain about Inkling?
Joseph Wright
>a patch mostly focused on making multi-hit attacks work
>Zelda gets no attention in said patch
oof
Hunter Sullivan
>Retards still complain about Inkling?
quite often.
Matthew Sanchez
I'd still call them top tier but they were crazy overhyped on release and I agree with Armada that it turned people off from trying her, either out of hype backlash when it turns out she wasn't broken, or fear that they'd eventually get nerfed. Also, new characters when people would rather stick with the old characters they're already good at. Glad that Cosmos, Space, Abadango and Xzax (and I guess ProtoBanham technically) have done some cool stuff with her.
Makes me sad when people say they're boring, a character with the stuff they got is a joy to play and behold.
Henry Edwards
based Dark Wizzy
Aaron Nguyen
How asshurt can you be?
Jacob Reyes
>Samus/Dark Samus got buffed slightly
>ZSS got buffed
>Big Dick Ridley didn't get shit
I love that the Phazon Methhead got something but come on, Sak.
John Gonzalez
I feel like Inkling is an experiment on how many stupid things you can shove into a character without making it broken
Robert Sullivan
So he's like most other characters now? Don't get hit offstage while recovering.
Once again, don't see the problem.
Alexander Peterson
That's common among people who try to seriously play party games for a living.
Noah Murphy
...Well, at least he didn't getnerfed I guess.
Josiah Butler
Rework his Up B to be identical to Fox/Falco and also give him the same amount of jumps that Kirby/Dedede/Meta Knight get are the only things i'd ever want changed. A dragon shouldn't flap its wings only twice.
Liam Ramirez
Dude just shield the damn roller. It’s just like Splatoon 1 and 2 all over again where everyone was screaming about the roller weapons being busted and then the week after there are already methods to counter them. Smashfags apparently never got the memo.
Jeremiah Taylor
His recovery was supposed to be the trade off from losing 6 pikmin in brawl. Regardless many of the other top and high tiers can recover from being hit off the stage. It just sucks one of the few characters i play that has an actual good recovery got gutted. I still have to deal with inklings and pichus bullcrap recovery and wonder why every character i play can never ever ever ever ever ever have that. I net if i played inkling her recovery would be gutted too. The devs just dont want me to play characters with a good recovery.
Chase Martinez
ROB is too easily punished to deserve a nerf, especially since they seem to balance the game based on online performance.
Oliver Morris
>expecting Smashfags to actually play video games
Half of them don't even play Smash itself
Michael Davis
Rollers actually were extremely good when splat 1 came out though
David Rogers
Leffen's a butthurt retard.
He was complaining about how Peach does full damage with her aerials using a short-float. For reference, short-hop aerial attacks do x0.8 damage compared to a regular aerial, but floating isn't subject to it.
Peach gets her FAir nerfed this patch, and what does this guy do? Cry about how Nintendo nerfes top-tier characters.
Dude needs to shut the fuck and continue begging for money via Patreon for his new apartment.
Liam Anderson
Top tier gets worse but high stays the same
Samuel Smith
How does anyone complain about the shotos autofacing, that's incredibly useful. Instant light utilts/dtilts out of running and automatically catching rolls are two examples. Literally just clean up your inputs
Ryu and Ken feel fucking nice, now there's an actual reason to pick Ryu over Ken. Add on the little mac buffs and I'm hype
Kevin Stewart
I unexpectedly ran out of space too, except I have a 128 gb card in there. I didn't expect to fill it at all, but I guess that's just the way things are now. Archived a ton of games so now I'm sitting at about 60% full again.
Robert Diaz
On the flip side the things said about Inkling at the start came out to be more true about Joker than Inkling. Joker already has an s-tier major under his belt and he achieved a lot more than Inkling in a month than Inkling did in 3 months and arguably 6 months.
Carter Wilson
>wolf changes are a buff disguised as a nerf
Based
Bentley Morgan
Yeah they were, but that didn’t stop others from trying to overcome roller users using their own strategies or get good at their main weapon class. Leffen and others like him seem to forget that the inklings are limited by their ink tank mechanics and without it roller spamming would probably be way more frequent enough to warrant a deserved nerf.
Angel Johnson
his downair is useless with his shit recovery :(
Joshua Lewis
i feel you user
multihits buffed but zelda's nair untouched.. why...
Nicholas Thomas
not him, just wondering which char?
Luis Perez
Because Pichu self damages it gives him slight invincibility frames.