Vtmb

Don't be a pedant. I didn't mean active hatred, just general dislike. Which they do.
Although some do actively hatred the other clan.

I said new.

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>start playing a malk
>combat is god awful
geez, now I know why most people say the combat sucks. if you're not a combat clan you're fucked from the start.

Cause they have nothing else.

Gangrel best clan

Its spelled Gargoyle sweetie

As any individuals can hate each other, but I don't think you understand the pity I meant. It's the bad kind of pity. Nossies and Gangrel have empathy for each other based on being outcast low clans and the physical afflictions their clans get. Gangrel and Toreador pity each other as polar opposites in a genuine "look down your nose" kind of way that goes both ways.

Do you hear it too, moonfrens?

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maybe the assamites were right. the tremere can't continue to exist.

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Sure, and you can say the exact same thing about Brujah and Ventrue.

>literal blood rivalry
>a posh vs naturist tiff
Yeah, no.

Fuck the tremere theres a lot of free gargoyles embracing now

>gargoyles embracing
Aren't they rocks with a bit of vamp blood?

Are they not all science experiments? I get that it's a "new bloodline" but letting them still procreate is kind of a huge retard move by the filthy blood mages.

tremere are jobbers, this is the universal truth

I don't disagree but this seems like a massive oversight. Do Gargoyles even bleed?

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To those that missed the stream, or don't feel like watching it, these were the questions that they picked and "answered" (I use this word loosely for this because they couldn't reveal anything at all in the end). From questions that matter, to the most boring ones:
>they were asked about clan specific havens - they decided not to "answer" it, but they've made it pretty obvious with their behavior that there will indeed be clan specific havens
>they were asked about Tender App - they want to do more, but they don't know what do do with it yet
>they were asked if Malkavian guy from the trailer was the same guy that was on the cover - they almost slipped there by answering, but they stopped themselves and just said that "I mean ... maybe we can't talk about that either?"
>they were asked if there would be a sewer system in the game - Brian said not expect the extent of sewers that was in the first game; they also joked about sewers DLC
>they were asked about if Brian will return as news - he said that he will voice something in 2, but didn't say what
>they were asked about "Season of the wolf" DLC - they didn't revealed anything about it
>they were asked if June 10th is all they could say in regards to gameplay - their answer was obvious yes
>they were asked if they'd be open for an expansion set in the different time and place - Brian said he would absolutely do it, if he had a chance
>they were asked about physical copies - to which they said that they can't talk about, yet (to no surprise)
>they were asked about character creation and backgrounds - they confirmed that you'll be able to pick certain backgrounds/job that you had as a human
>last question was which clan would Brian pick in 2 - he picked Toreador, but he made it clear that they're not his favorite clan and that one that he likes isn't among current clans that are playable

That's about it.
They'll showcase the gameplay on June 10th.

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I just recently finished six playthroughs, every clan except Malk which I plan on doing closer to release

Use cheats. I don't see any issues skipping some of the meh parts when the rest of the game is so good.

what do big anarch titties taste like, bros?

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How is it a blood rivalry?

>backgrounds/job that you had as a human
At last, I can confirm that my Camarilla blood mage was once a humble pastry chef.

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You're gunna have to explain why you think it's not honestly, considering this battle shit literally goes back to Carthage and Rome.

Why did they pick questions that they can't answer?

god all of the clans are fucking boring.

>no nos
>no gangrel
>no lasombra

I honestly dont even know what to play first playthrough. ill never play brujah and toreador seems boring. only thing either of those have is celerity. fuck tremere and malks so I guess im forced to go ventrue.

Thanks

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I'm with ya man. I feel lucky ventrue got fortitude but playing a kike does not sit well with me.

>no Lasombra
>wanting shadow variety Ventrue
Oh please those bitches are boring as fuck too.

gargoyles can't embrace

Haven't seen the reveal yet. Was it malks?

Cause that's not good enough.
The Brujah are just as opposite to Ventrue as Gangrel are to Toreadors.

And if you think that the average modern Brujah hates Ventrues because of Carthage, then you're just delusional.

Yes. It was guy from the cover in the trailer. Just like frog poster said it'd be.

Yes. Guy in the trailer appears to be the same guy on the cover:
>youtube.com/watch?v=_s7O0OWohvE

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Seething list
>Nosferatus
>Gangrels
>Lasombras

>post yfw the entire time you watched people for WEEKS somehow think the most popular clan wasn't getting in

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youtube.com/watch?v=eAoR4h6SQGg

>doesn't kill anyone in his trailer
That's the greatest shock about it desu.

>And if you think that the average modern Brujah hates Ventrues because of Carthage, then you're just delusional.
>what is jyhad
Beyond that obvious point though, there's a difference between a scrap between 2 of the more chill antes a millennia ago, and an ideological fight that has been played out over the course of a millennia. Arikel and Ennoias tiff ended when Arikel ran to Greece. The fight that happened in Carthage is still going on into the modern nights. There's no comparison.

at least it would have been something new though.

I'm here.
I'm not exactly a Nossie, they're my choice for 2nd playthrough, i'll miss the Gangrel WAY more. But y'all can make fun of me, i deserve it for being sure they wouldn't do Malkavian because of the "problematic" thing bullshit and they kinda hinting that the 5th clan wouldn't be a repeat from Bloodlines 1.

I mean there's no way nosferatu/gangrel won't be back

I'm scared for lasombra tho

>unfun
the only thing that was annoying was the hollywood sewers
and you can just take nos shortcut unless you were a cuck with no points in hacking

Didn't you fags claim that guy was a Toreador?

Yeah the can who the fuck told you they cant?

Stuff. happened.

Gargoyles are other kindred mashed together usually nossies and gangrel some have tzimisce in them

Except that the Brujah are part of the Camarilla and some of them are even Princes.

All I meant was that every clanbook is filled with propaganda that makes the clan look good and other clans look bad. You got pedantic over the word "hate" as if that proves anything.

>gangrelchads get their own expansion and will probably have more effort put into them than other clans as a result

it's not fair nosbros, we deserve that

>they were asked if Malkavian guy from the trailer was the same guy that was on the cover - they almost slipped there by answering, but they stopped themselves and just said that "I mean ... maybe we can't talk about that either?"
What? Really? If there the same person the thats another point to it being Vandal considering he’s was Therese’s ghoul.

>tfw not the type to enjoy replays so I have to wait a couple of years between each time

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>if you're not a combat clan you're fucked from the start.
any clan can just stack melee and grind through the game, it isn't even hard
go stealth route and it becomes laughably easy because you're abusing insta kill move

So who thinks that dementation is fucking awesome? Cause shit, it is

The expansion is about a conflict with werewolves, not gangrels.

Again, the Toreador aren't even a footnote in the Gangrel book, nor are the Gangrel in the Toreador to my knowledge. Meanwhile, the Ventrue and Brujah books have entire sections dedicated to why the other one sucks. There's no comparison.

Guy that leaked malk thing + cover guy being shown with malks, said that it ain't Vandal. The end.

I finished Vampire the Masquerade Redemption. Ending was kinda rushed but it was overall solid game with great OST. As for replaying VTM:B it probably will be a while before I do that again.

Yes, Malkavian is going to be legit.
Dementation for CC, Mentalism for offense, Auspex as a bonus.

im on the same page as you. cheer up though im positive gangrel will get in and when it does it will be by far the coolest clan because of protean. I cant wait to see how they update that and how it will work.

as long as I get my warform I dont think they can go wrong. would fortitude be the second discipline though?

As for nos I am worried about it getting in at all.

depends on how well it will work on supernaturals because otherwise it'll be ehh
though all mind control abilities are like that

I bet they announce one non-BL1 clan in October

Still no definite proof he's malk or toreador. If he malk, I don't get the favoritism again.

Yeah i'm sure it's DLC. Properly done Protean will be sweet in first person. The second ability will be Animalism i think or they do Celerity like the urban Gangrels used to have.

>Properly done Protean will be sweet in first person.
literally just claws and a red filter tho

Just get the clan quest mod. It'll give you some high quality quests and it even allows you to skip all the dungeons except for the raid on Lacroix.

Oh.

Ew.

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That nigger's retarded and thinking of Tzimisce golem creations. Gargoyles are the result of blood magic using Kindred blood, but not Kindred bodies.

Let's hope not

>tfw Toreador with Malk bf

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Can't say what surprises me more.
The fact that trailer was good and not cringe like I expected of Malk trailer to be.
Or the fact that is among the best trailers shown so far.

I don't get the relation with pokémon

there's not much more to it in first person. like what else could you do?

I just stuck with it.

The environments on those sneak peek clips look great.

We really might be going home bros.

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I thought that's what homunculi were, but this is what the White Wolf wiki says.
>The Gargoyle Creation Ritual is a Level 5 Thaumaturgy ritual, used by the Tremere to create gargoyles from the dismembered parts of other Cainites - it is the process through which the first of that bloodline came into being.
>The Tremere ceased making Gargoyles after the Slaves revolt, and, as part of the Camarilla negotiations, promised to never revive the technique. The instructions for the ritual have been hidden, but not destroyed.

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im really excited for protean. so since all disciplines have two skills what would be the other besides warform?

i doubt animalism will be their second discipline but then again I dont know what they would use for nossies as their second. If they do I wonder how they will make it different from chiropteran.

No, tzims were used in gargoyle creations as well especially during the omen war. I never said anything about bodies and they're vozhd not "golems" stop pretending to know shit you retarded nigger.

HAH YOU SAID NIGGER YOU SURE SHOWED HIM user

I fucking hate this user, stop posting this in every thread. SHUT THE FUCK UP. Pull your fucking pants down so I can wet my index and middle and stuck it up your ass, take it out and shove them up your fucking stupid nose then start licking and tasting your ass while you moan and sniff on my fucking fingers. I'll the finishing licking your ass and start licking my way up, following your spine till I get to your ears, biting on them till you squeal (my fingers are still in your nose at this point) I then stick my dick out and beat you up you fucking faggot

The attack/damage animations sound design, etc. Make it feel good, different then punches

>Tremere are pouser Tzimisce

Seething

kinda feel like replaying it too, last tiem i picked toreador, who should i pick now?

Tremere are literally tzimisce. The eldest himself even uses their tzimisce blood for himself during a gehena scenario.

user..

Nosferatu for a totally different gameplay

Eyes of the Beast maybe? Or they create something.

He really wants of you to take his hand. Both on the poster, and on the trailer. Seems that he really likes holding hands.

>they were asked if they'd be open for an expansion set in the different time and place - Brian said he would absolutely do it, if he had a chance
Literally the only useful piece of information in the entire stream. I fucking wish they pre recorded these and actually made them worth watching.

No neonate there will be no consequences to using Tzimisce blood for the embrace and it's a complete coincidence that Old Clan Tzimisce and Tremere share two disciplines

The fuck is up with gargoyles' weaknesses? Do they turn into stone during the day or is it some discipline power? I noticed they carry over Nosferatu's shitty curse, but I see nothing of gangrel or tsizmisce.

Low humanity gangrel that frenzies as often as possible for massive damage bonuses.

t. tranny

Damn. I would like some Giovanni, summoner who can go wild and punch shit sound fun.

Koldunic Sorcery and thaulmaurgy are obviously two different things

O-ok regent I trust you.

He just wants a retarded friend not to be alone.

Go feed

reset era writing incoming.

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one of the only things i do not like about VTMB is that gargoyles are a bloodline. they should be their own thing made by hunters specifically to fuck up vampires and werewolves. it would make more sense.

I find how Tremere were presented in-game interesting because they came across as level-headed dark-magic scientists who stem from a history of morally questionable acts in the name of progress for the clan and pragmatic secrecy for the Masquerade.

But a lot of the specifics of backstory tabletop lore just kind of makes them sound like a bunch of evil crazies eating everyone they can for power.

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Shame it took until today for Nos bros to see they were cucked by thinblood from the start. Chiropteran and Nebulation were fairly obvious replacements for Animalism and Obsfucate ... not to mention the prospect of diablerie would make it somewhat unrealistic for many to willingly become Nos

The powers in general in 2 seem kind of cookie cutter. Makes me wonder if the likes of dominate and dementate will even get dialogue options like they did in 1.

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Nobody leaked anything. It's Vandal

lol

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Do you have a template for this?

I'm replaying it now, but the momentum is slowing down now that I'm halfway through Chinatown. That last hub is just such a slog. They almost would have been better off cutting it entirely and adding the time and resources back into the other 3.

NOOOOO HELP MEEEEE-

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But you are obligated to fuck your mother

im hoping you are wrong and nos get added in. I mean why would any thinblood especially one lucky to be gifted with unique powers diablerize ANY clan in the first place?

at least with noss you get clan support and the best chance of hiding out on your own where as any other clan you are on your own and your mind is affected in certain ways. I would rather be ugly than be crazy like a malk or easily prone to blind anger like a brujah.

I don't know about Chiropteran, but I've been screeching about Nebulation being a replacement for Obfuscate for a while. Feels good to have a triple digit IQ.

Yes. And?

Sadly they didnt have time and resources to begin with thanks to the jews. Entire game is unfinished tons of cut content. There was supposed to be multiplayer originally.

Holy shit, I just noticed the wolf by the pier in Santa Monica
That's a nice touch

Celeryity
Bananamalism
Potatonce
Oblivionion
Vicissiturnip
Obfusgrape
Dillmentation
Fortiprune
Tomatourgy
Ausparagus
Dominutmeg
Pearsance
Protein

Mangokavian
Brujalapeno
Tremelon
Nosferadish
Toreadate
Ventruffle
Gangravy
Lasombread
Assalamite
Tzimiso
Giovanilla
Ravnioli

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Based

Nos will totally get added, but as a DLC. I don't think anybody has ever argued Nosferatu aren't a shoe in for a DLC.

It disappoints me the Tremere didn't finall get their comeuppance from fucking over a third of the clans in VtM but got rocked from lol humans instead

I hope it's revealed the Assamites, Nosferatu, Tzimisce, or Gangrel had intel on the bombing but didn't say a word

Why aren't you faggots in /vg/ yet
Not including general in your eternal thread doesn't mean its not a general

literally none of its gameplay is fun only the dialogue and atmosphere are

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The reveals and news this month are hot. After E3 we will die.

why even bother having a live stream if they cant reveal anything? Im fucking sick of this fad where devs have to be secret about everything. It just makes me suspicious of everything they do and no matter how good or bad the outcome is I will always see it as bad because it is associated with the lowest expectation.

Go type that in the smash,persona,smt,pokemon, and other threads too then. Oh yeah, you wont you stupid faggot.

>NOOOO NOT VIDEO GAMES I NEED MORE CUNNY THREADS
>JANNIES FIX THIS REEEEEEEEE

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they should probably be on /tg/ most of what they discuss is tabletop game and lore

Friendly reminder that diablerie is not in the game, and you will be forced to gain clan reputation in order to be embraced into a clan.

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only in relation to the games tho. no one gives a fuck about things outside of the games perspectives.

HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE. It's this legit? Is this person really in charge of something important in the game? OH FUCK NO.

>being embraced twice

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Oh don't get me wrong, I'm in the same boat. But luckily it's been a few good years since I finished it. So forgot most of the details.

I still haven't played that one. I have it on GOG, I should get around to play it some day. Maybe I'll play it before VTMB.

Is that the one that adds shit like a xenomorph corpse or something like that?

I'd suggest malk or nosferatu.

embraced if you're already thinblood? how?

It's probably still possible for them to be added later on with their disciplines reworked a bit. I just imagine they decided to make nebulation the defacto stealth power so you could be sneaky regardless of clan if that's the play style you want.

>Implying thin blood won't be your biological clan but then you'll be able to earn identifying as another

this is literally a general
and you should be on /vg/ or /tg/ for many reasons, none of which have to do with your autistic fits and shitflinging

Somehow you made the idea even more retarded and vile in a single sentence. Quite the bold move.

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Cry about it wannabe janny cunt

Yep.
Probably the same way you were embraced originally, you know. Could also be a blood ritual of some sort. I think it's more likely they will establish some sort of lore explanation for thinblood blood being so thin that they can actually be embraced into a higher gen.

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>JANNIES WHERE ARE YOU THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT VIDEO GAMES REEEEEE

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imagine unironically being this retarded lmao

I thought thin-bloods couldn't learn disciplines

FUCK YOU PARADOX, WHY CANT I DIABLIRIZE SOME OLDER VAMPIRE CUNT

holy fuck lol you guys are crazy insecure
on second thought its probably better that these threads just die off here to kojima spam

define older

OH BUT YOU DIDNT POST IN ALMOST EVERY OTHER SINGLE THREAD ON THE BOARD HUH. YOU FUCKING RETARDS MAKE ME SICK WITH THIS SHIT OOOHH NO NOOO NOT MY SMASH THREAD ITS OUR CULTURE POKEMON IS VIDYA SHUT UP SEETHE. SAME WITH THE SMT AND PERSONA THREADS GO POST IN ALL OF THOSE THEN COME BACK YOU STUPID UGLY NIGGER

True Brujah
>Best clan
Brujah
>Worst clan

Fight me.

They can in tabletop via alchemy. Mitsoda specifically said a few days ago in an interview that this game is separate from the tabletop. Same reason Malks have Dementation. Same reason we will be embraced twice rather than being forced to commit diablerie.

they said during the stream that dementate will get dialogue options just like in the first game

>snowflake retardation vs simple retardation
They're both shit you fedora tipping faggot

is this what lasombra fags are doing now?

You'd like that huh Brujah bitch

>Lasombrafags
>plural

That wasn't dementate. Fishmalks are not the same as dementate.

whichever, seems like they (he) found a new meme to latch on to. wonder if we'll get more "leaks."

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Daily reminder Trujah are just delusional Brujah

@463966554
youre an idiot shitposter. you dont deserve a (You)

What we need is a high humanity Brijah whore for that hatesex she will be into.

go make this argument on any of the 8 smash related threads you retard.

no he literally talked about it during the powers section where he said dementation was useable as a dialogue option. watch the vod again

The double embrace theory is founded in logical conjecture. Don't compare us to him.

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This is what happened to us with the Mortal Kombat, we got forcibly moved to /vg/. It wasn't half bad in the end, actually reduced the shitposting about burkas and shit.
Then again it'll be a while until VTMB2 comes out so these threads will eventually get less traffic and won't pop up as often. They're miles better than the other shit that gets posted on Yea Forums.

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The True Brujah are noted for their calm, detached behavior, which puts them in contrast to the main lineage who are known for their rather short, violent tempers and anti-establishment attitudes.

I definitely will.

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Yes, but you said "like the first." That was what I was contending with. The dialogue will not be the same as the first, because the first game you played as a fishmalk. This is the thing that defined that style of dialogue, not dementate. You are not playing a fishmalk in this game. They confirmed this already when they spoke about treating malks with more care. The dialogue system will not be like the first one. I imagine dementate's dialogue options will be no more varied and sizable than any other social discipline like presence or dominate.

I could write tons of paragraphs about why it could and likely will happen though.

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Why yes, that's what that last image was addressing.

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did you not play bloodlines 1? are you really this retarded? hes not talking about the regular dialogue options he's talking about using the discipline in dialogue.

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at least an actual game is discussed here and not video game journalism or feminism like half the threads in the catalog

>463966554
That leak is legit btw, he probably just didn't know it was DLC.

So the sheer quantity of evidence supporting the argument invalidates it? On what basis? Even if it was autistic, I would think a sounder counter argument would be to debunk the evidence itself, rather than resorting to ad hominem. It was easy enough in discrediting the screeching lasombrafag. It seems you can't actually do that here though, strange.

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>yfw

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I don't give a fuck and it doesn't go against my initial point at all.

Wait so what happened, did they confirm no playable nosferatus?

I don't know about you, but I find mocking autists much more enjoyable than debating them over their retarded ideas.

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That's in the first game. They can do a lot more with it.

In the TT, even up to level 5 you have some pretty cool abilities, like the one that allows you to transform into any animal you want.

How bitter would LaCroix be

Not the most graceful or timely ways to concede, but I accept it all the same user.

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Honorable. I'm still right though. Have a good day.

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I get that but what could their war form really do in first person beyond claws and a red filter? Honest question here because I'm not coming up with anything.

back at ya m8

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/mkg/ pre-MK11 release sure was comfy. bullying Rain and Mileenafags was fun

(:

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I'm not conceding, you're just being a pedant.
I just said that the story is properly propaganda because that's literally what every clan does in their own clanbook.

>mfw

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"war form" is something that VTMB 1 invented, as far as I'm aware.
You can have your visuals affected from 1st person in the TT in a lot of ways since you also get sonar abilities, heat vision, traveling through the earth, turning into mist and turning into any animal.

>those chains
damn... makes you think...

I literally can't understand how the gameplay is bad in bloodlines 1. It's fucking good, it still holds up. Can you FUCKING zoomers LEAVE? You're the shitcrew who probably never played a game older than halo 3.
ANYONE who complains about graphics and combat are underage Zoomers. Play a fucking gangrel if it's so difficult.

By "war form" I just meant their fully transformed battle state. What else could you do in first person view? By the by, only Gangrel get to "choose" their animal no matter the protean level. All other vamps get wolves and bats, and the Followers of Set had their own snake changing discipline.

Yikes, calm down boomer. The combat does actually suck ass. It's stiff as frozen shit and the combat level design after entering Hollywood feels like it was designed by an 8 year old. You're right that the graphics are great though. They did some really amazing things with the hub areas visually, especially downtown.

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uh user you are lowkey highkey bein kiiiinda toxic rn :(

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Source for this? This can't be official.

Shows what you know about White Wolf

I know you're baiting, but that faggot is like they took every "that guy" Gangrel stereotype and mashed them into an abomination who also ends up being one of the most prominent clan members. Fuck Rudi.

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>literally posterboy for Malkavian trailer
>"NUH UH STILL NOT PROOF"

I thought the combat was amazing for the time.
It’s literally one of the best gaming engines it runs on tho

Fucking Christ this is so angsty and pointless. Can they not just let people govern themselves? This shit is so unnecessary.

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>0 damage hit
stop spamming the same directional combo and put some points into a damn combat stat. i feel like most complaints about the combat come from braindead people who didn't pay attention to anything you're being taught during the tutorial.

It's literally no different than dark souls. It's called dedicated animation. Once you attack you play through the animation, if the guy attacked you first than you eat shit unless you can tank it to still land the attack.
Playing a gangrel who mauls through the Hollywood sewers was exhilarating.

The stiffness means you need to think and not mash the attack. Also how was Hollywood designed bad? In what way? I don think it is, it's exactly how a street should be, every building can be entered, alleys have people to feed on, there's a quest around every corner. Are you coming from the generation who wants 20 empty buildings taking up space and Making the world an unoptimized piece of shit?

Meant for

In the TT at level 5, their Protean "war form" literally means just red eyes and claws, but why are you talking about a war form? The other guy just said Protean.

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Shut up underage.

wow someone needs some clarification on not tolerating the intolerant sweatheart

"that guy" just wanted to powergame and diablerize his ante and kill god. this is something else

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>He's so assblasted he meets the final death
You ratsuckers never cease to amuse me.

The fuck else is there? Earth meld? Making a swarm of pigeons come to your aid? This is a game dude, of course the "war form" is going to be the peak of protean. They can't even use the v5 version since 5 dots in v5 is a fucking mist form.

The point of the runescape image was to illustrate how stiff it feels, and how combat effectively boils down to a simple number trade, like in runescape. I don't rember ever getting a zero damage hit. Also, the kue jin boss is beefy as fuck, so if you want to gather something for the 0 part, we'll just say it's in referenced to the occasional bloated health pool.

>It's literally no different than dark souls.

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Are you being obtuse on purpose? I just fucking told you what else they could use.

>You can have your visuals affected from 1st person in the TT in a lot of ways since you also get sonar abilities, heat vision, traveling through the earth, turning into mist and turning into any animal.

>"that guy" just wanted to powergame and diablerize his ante and kill god. this is something else
"that guy" was also the antitribu who just didn't get the gangrel but his ST wouldn't let him play an eco-terrorist furry with the dedicated supernaturals.

Are you dyslexic or just retarded? None of those will do anything in first person view beyond claws and filters.

The fundamental practice of using a dedicated attack is what makes it similar, you'd have to have a cumstain for a brain to not see it.

>implying I even read past that first sentence
Holy shit this fucking guy

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>dark rolls
>practice of using a dedicated attack
user...i... What the actual fuck?

Holy shit, what the fuck did they do to Vampire? yeah white wolf kinda always bended that way but not like that, holy fuck

Guys... I think might broken the masquerade...

Pretty sure turning into a rat or wolf or horse will do a bit more than "claws and filters".

If it makes you feel better it was bad enough the WW was killed off as an independent studio and brought directly under Paradox for supervising.

What if you get cured as a thinblood, then get embraced again?

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>implying you'd get a choice
Beyond that though, explain to me how it would change from a first person perspective. Describe to me what you think would make it unique beyond filters and animal hands from a first person perspective in this game.

Could a venture with a considerable amount of domination be able to make a gangrel turn into a horse for him to ride

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And people shit on Wizards for making D&D and MTG into onions, but it's NOTHING like this.

Gangrel don't actually "choose." It's more of an innate thing, and they only change into predators.

Don't count your horses just yet, bud. Mages are hated in this fandom too.

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Why do so many people have trouble typing/saying Ventrue?

I'm phone posting from an airport and I'm antsy.

The perspective and the gameplay mechanics. You ever played alien vs predator as a facehugger compared to the final alien form? Kinda like that.

Not canon anymore, delet it right fucking now.

this. its not perfect and feels janky early game on your first try but after youve played through and understand the mechanics its really good. my only complaint is gangrel warform having limited combat animations that make it a little unweildly

As a Mileenafag I'm salty that she was reduced to Mournful 2.0. I'm fine with her missing out the game but not with this stance bullshit.
Still ahven't found a character I can call my own yet and I'm feeling it's not as much about the character but more about the game itself, it's just not clicking for me it seems.

On the other hand I'm quite glad Malkavians are back in VTMB2 so I got that going for me. I legit expected Nosferatu to get in over them since I didn't think they'd want to do the sewer network post release.

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Even if you were right about becoming a full on beast, the only things that change are animal hands, color filters, and maybe camera angle. That's all I've been arguing. Like I said to the other guy though, even Gangrel can't be horses or rats or shit like that, only predators, so the perspective can only drop to about the waist. I don't think they'd bother with flight form no matter how sick it would be.

Ok I'll concede, the warform was a step down. Since you were THE combat clan and ripped and shredded through the game early on, having to constantly hold back that last animation was pretty lame.

Not him but didn't they say one of the starting abilities for noclans could have a must form and a bat form?

which is exactly why flight form for protean and v5 protean in general are no go's. they already exist in game.

bros i can't decide what to play in the first game
going with the clan quest mod, more or less blind and not my first playthrough.
who is the most fun to play?

What have you played before?

Your argument is retarded and you're a faggot.
The only thing the guy said is that he'd like how cool Protean COULD BE from a 1st person perspective and you had to be some nagging pussy about how "ugggghh ACHYHSUALLY they can only add a filter and claws huehuehehue".

Protean is very diverse as a discipline and they can do tons of cool shit with it.

>even Gangrel can't be horses or rats or shit like that, only predators

Rats are predators.

the clan missions from cqm are pretty iffy across the board so choose wisely. the safest choice is gangrel or malk.

malkavian is the most fun to play. the combat is shit anyway so you might as well enjoy unique dialogue. the other clans have the same dialogue options and personally i find them worse.

venture on my first and recently played malk up till andrei where I realised that I wasn't playing with the mod enabled so I'm kinda burned out atm

>unironically seething
Sorry man. Gangrel are my niggas and Protean is my shit but arguing it will be unique and cool in first person is retarded.

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Wait, you were playing mall without the mod and toy weren't enjoying it? Malk is great modless, you just don't like malks

Do you mean sexually

and yet they do

as long as tremere can control blood, lesser vampires can't touch them

>gangrel
I saw that they have an insectoid background, does it change any models?

>malk
Ehh I recenly played them, loved it.
However because I wanted to go for the sabbat route it really pissed me off that I played all of it for naught.

>sent from a South American haven after getting BTFO in Vienna.

I've already given you examples of that, you're just stubborn for literally no reason.

Please tell me how being mist in first person will look boring to you. Or how being a superfast swimmer or flying as a bat will be uninteresting and only a matter of filters and claws.

Is that thing any good? I thought it added weird shil like a xenomorph corpse.

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>I saw that they have an insectoid background, does it change any models?
Don't think so, but you don't want it to anyway. Plus from what I remember it fucks your ability to up your appearance.

*TING TING*
Ahem, neonates, I'd like to make a toast to my Malkavian friends. As a Tremere, it's good to see the other based clan make it into the game . Enjoy it my brothers, and keep dabbing on venture/toreador fags!

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>It's literally no different than dark souls.
I don't think you can make a statement like that simply based on the fact they share dedicated animation. They aren't the same, and if you actually think that they are, I seriously hope you're never given any sort of authority status over anything relevant to game design. Either you haven't played vtmb in years, or you're genuinely an nostalgiablinded idiot. Dark Souls has a dedicated dodge roll, parries, a functioning block system, a poise system, a stamina system, an equipment system with shields, blunt and bladed weapons, weapons with upgrades and status effects, weapons that (for the most part) have unique movesets, have different stats like attack speed, range, and weight, all of which change how cumbersome they are to use depending on your stats. Dark souls also has consumable health and utility items, like firebombs and weapon buffs, a magic and mana system, and in the later games weapon arts. All of these systems make the differences obvious, even before considering the hugely criticals things like animation feel, combat speed, enemy types and combat ai, boss design, and level design and progression, all of which souls games have vtmb beaten in spades. VTMB's combat was very clearly an afterthought. It's borderline garbage, and the blatant filler maze combat levels in the latter half of the game sink the monotony of it all even deeper. It's a fucking stain on what could have been a cool game otherwise. Those levels should have been removed from the game. They were clearly only added to pad hours to the game. There's literally no excuse for their inclusion on the basis that the game would be better without them. You're either baiting or you're retarded if you think vtmb's game play systems hold up today, at all, especially compared to Dark Souls.
>Also how was Hollywood designed bad
I was referencing the labyrinthian sewer levels. Nothing wrong with the hub area, or any hub area at that.

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>Please tell me how being mist in first person will look boring to you
It will change literally nothing about the view dipshit, even ignoring that it already exists as a thin-blood discipline. Literally just a blue/white filter.
>Or how being a superfast swimmer or flying as a bat
>implying there will be underwater fights or flying
You just don't seem to understand how video games work user.

No.

I think you should kys user.

>still seething
I think we should be happy they aren't going to tarnish Gangrel any further tbqhf.

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No characters should return. They should be able to make a game that stands on its own merits.

Can Nosfags even recover?

war form is fine if you dont go through the whole animation. its just a shame that you had to hold yourself back a little.

>They should be able to make a game that stands on its own merits.
That's a slightly odd thing to say about a sequel based on a TT game. It doesn't exist in a vacuum. I agree that we don't need repeat characters tho.

its has already been confirmed there is 3rd person in "contextual" spots which could mean when you use nebulations "mist form" or chiropterans glide you go into third person. I would imagine that regardless whether or not gangrel is added in with war form it would matter if you were first person or third but the option is still possible.

Who is the voice actor for the Malkavian trailer?
I really like his voice

Honorable, but you have to remember we live in an era of capeshit. Audience pandering is seen a the norm.

Do you guys have a special order in which you conplete quests?

I always do Larry and Venus' first when I get to Downtown

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Me

>the prospect of diablerie would make it somewhat unrealistic for many to willingly become Nos
You gain generation power through diablerie, a weak ass thin blood would diablerize anything

Idc about gangrel and I never played them anyway. I just pointed out that your faulty reasoning and now you're being autistic just so that you don't have to admit to being wrong.

That's cool, and adds a chance for protean to shine special at the highest levels. I was only ever arguing it wouldn't do anything special in first person. It would basically just be a weapon swap.

Except for a Nosferatu

Do people actually like that, though? Wouldn't they rather have a bigger world than the same few people being at the center of every single story?

I wouldn't mind Beckett returning, he's everywhere, but that's it.

I don't think there's even any time based missions in this game. I've never heard of lockout points. Maybe Ash's shit.

I sure love your voice, user

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Yes, but why would a thinblood ever choose Nosferatu over anything else? The diablerie scenario implies we have other choices. It makes zero sense for the player character. The only realistic prediction is that diablerie won't be in the game.

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what was it....are we all under threat?

It's okay Nosbros,If the game is shit you can laugh all the way to the tip.

Beckett is probably the only one that would make sense. Didn't someone in VTMB say something like "every knows beckett"?

Have you been reading the threads?
>JACK IS BACK BABY
>WE'RE GOING TO SEE JEANETTE RIGHT
>MAYBE THEY WILL MOVE TO SEATTLE
>BECKETT CONFIRMED
>THE COVER GUY IS 100% VANDAL
>LACROIX SURVIVED

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Criticism of Prince LaCroix is tolerated within certain limits. Move along kindred.

Do you not remember how in the 1st game people hunt the thinbloods on the beach for sport?
You become more powerful and are more likely to survive if you join the nossies. The ugliness is not something that hard to get used to when you have eternity at hand.

I installed the original game recently, and god DAMN this thing is janky, even with the "plus" version the fan patch. Is it really worth pushing through it? When does it get good? I'm in the house where you can check your email right now. Is that some sort of hub area? Is the game linear or is it more open? Or is it a mix, like Dark Souls style level design?

Why did you reply to that second post? You didn't answer the question at all.

Haha this guy is so silly. You're so silly user haha. Haha.

The player (you) are the one choosing a Clan, so if you want to play as Nos you pick Nos.
Who would pick Malks or Timistze?

listen to the radio a bit

Cameos are fine if done right.

>reading
What?

>Who would pick Malks

Malkavians possess an uncanny insight that the other Clans lack. Yes, they're all mad, but an individual might well accept that madness in return for a chance to understand the true nature of things.

Beckett would work perfectly fine. Not sure who others could appear given how they mention "fan favorites"

Yeah, that neighborhood is the first hub area. Combat is... not great.
Atmosphere, characters and quests are what makes it great. It's not an open world game, it's hub based (from where you are now you'll be sent to different locations on different quests and eventually you'll move on to the next hub and repeat), its freedom comes from how you can tackle quests, who you align yourself with etc. It's more old school.
My personal recommendation is keep going, once you start sinking your teeth in the quests and the game world properly it's really really good IMHO.

I agree completely with Malkavian and Tzimisce. It would br equally unrealistic for a thinblood to choose Malk or Nos over less hellish clans for the same reasons, which is why diablerie won't be in the game and your initiation will be based on your relationship with the clan which is far, far more sensible from a narrative standpoint than arbitrarily choosing a diablerie victim inconsequential of your standing within a clan or your foreknowledge of that clan.

Man I fucking hate male toreadors

Shut up

Pents confirm, he hates Toreadors

Being batshit crazy doesn't look too funny

Why am I silly? You know I'm right. Maybe the game has god tier story and dialogue, but technically it's a janky unfinished mess.
I did. There was a guy talking about a conspiracy theory. I can't remember what else. I got sidetracked by other games and haven't played in awhile. Is it worth going back to play the original game or should I just get into the series with 2?

You can't keep running from your lust for cock forever, fren.

t. Nossie

i personally would.

>should I just get into the series with 2
I wish I could reverse time and do this.

oh man, definitely go back, dude!
Play it again

Don't know how they are gonna make it but I don't see the point of playing as a thin blood for hours before picking a Clan.

>I don't see the point of playing as a thin blood
Have you listened to or read Brian's reasoning for why he chose it?

no? please explain

to introduce the Clan lore to neonates?

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They want to give a chance to player to fully understand what each clan is about before making that choice as it changes how the game plays out more or less. They want the player to make an informed choice about their clan.

at the very worst I imagine that all combat would be done in first person but maybe certain actions like gliding or scaling walls will be third person. I would be fine with that if that is the case because then you would get to see your appearance at certain times.

feels snowflake tier desu.

Me too man. I wasn't even hating the idea, the other dude just couldn't stop sperging about it.

then i wonder how the malkavian will be approached, for going insane voluntarily is a hard decision.

This is the most critical gameplay element. There's also the added effect of being able to write the experience of transitioning from human life to unlife, which I think you'd have to be a bit stiff to think something like that would be uninteresting from a story perspective. You also get a much deeper level of player character growth as well.

Well they were wrong about Nosferatu

It'll probably be something really minor for each clan anyway considering extra clans will be given away free

>literally any other character in lore could do it
>snowflake

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Is nobody in this board really playing Brujah? I know they suck but damn, nobody speaks about them

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People who smoke weed and drop acid and eat mushrooms figure they attain some universal knowledge from some wood elves beaming magic into their head, but when they write what they got down it sounds like gibberish.

Maybe it's the same thing, imagine seeing the world like some crazy poem or notice patterns and deduce mysteries. It would be addicting to some. Malkavians are an interesting clan for sure. Nobody outwardly fucks with them, and they know the answers. Also the first game gave only 1 example if a malkavian, and a very extreme one at that. It isn't the same for everyone

They aren't popular

>choosing your clan isn't snowflake tier
>letting your guy, out of all the thin bloods, make an informed decision and getting the final vote on you his own clan isn't snowflake tier
this just isn't how it happens retard. it's textbook snowflake shit.

Just watch the character trailer. Malks believe they have insight, they are enlightened by their madness. They could very easily be master manipulators, and so long as the player character interacts with them a substantial amount, this could actually make sense without breaking motives or being super contrived, which is why diablerie will not be the method with which we choose our clan, because none of what I just described would be a requirement for diablerizing a Malk.

>Chinatown being a slog
>Literally 4 quests in the entire hub

wtf

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You know you chose your clan in the first game right?

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Who here /Tremere/?

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what do you think will happen then, user?
second embrace or something?

Her leg looks fucked.

>what is player choice vs character choice
>what is storytelling
user, you can just admit to being retarded.

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Give me some of that goth Hogwarts shit.

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Yes, your blood is so thin that a second embrace is actually possible. Considering we have confirmation the game is separate from the tabletop, this theory actually makes sense.

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that would be very counter intuitive as to why they made the pc a thin blood to begin with. The whole point according to the devs is that they dont want people new to the franchise to blindly pick a clan but make a calculated decision. If you are FORCED to be embraced by whatever faction you are closest with then that does nothing because said people are just going to do missions for whoever comes first and not actually learn anything about the other clans.

if anything design wise it is worse than the original because you have to already know who you are going to do missions for just to get the clan you actually want.

with diablerie you do your intro missions and what not and after learning more about the setting you make a conscience decision as to what clan you are going to join where as the other option you are forced to join a clan because you did missions.

This is sort of like people complaining about dragons dogma and how the romance system works. you often ended up getting stuck with the wrong person simply because you maxed out their affinity just to get merchant gear from them or because you did their quest more recently.

Bloodchad here

Depends on how they're going to implement the transition business. In V5 Camarilla offers blood hunt targets to thinbloods for sanctioned diablerie as a prize for suicide missions, to those who have proven their worth. In that sense it makes sense for you to commit diablerie to go higher on the food chain as Thinbloods are at the bottom. Don't know how it's going to be in the game but there's ground in the lore for becoming a proper vampire.
It's not insanity, it's having access to revelation which can help you survive. I've made the same argument for Nosferatu, a lot of people were saying why would anyone want to become a hideous monster. The thing is, as a Thinblood you're already an undead monster that is trying to survive against all odds. Keep in mind that the Second Inquisition is happening and Thinbloods are hunted for sport by other Kindred, it makes sense for one to become a proper vampire, insanity or hideousness as it increases one's chance of survival significantly. As I've said, you're already a monster, thinblood or not.
I will play as Brujah first. I'm getting Condemned vibes based on what we have been told so far for combat and Potence & Celerity sounds like a pretty good combination.

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At least use the monkeys if you're going to shitpost about this. Those posts are worth a chuckle at least but these are entirely worthless without them.

It's obvious they wouldn't do Nosferatu.
It's the only one of the traditional clans that requires extra budget, Malk is just dialogue changes.

Nuce digits Gary

why would I even open smash threads lmao double retard

And why would it require extra budget? You didn't play as Nosferatu in the first game, have you?

might be a completely separate model which requires different clothing and so on

>unironically wanting nossies without areas and sewers built with them in mind
for what purpose?

true, but why choose Nosferatu when you have a myriad of other options open to you

this is the case for literally all the clans is it not

Are there renders for the male characters of each clan, I only see the roasties posted here

>avoid a beheading all because some dude in a crowd yells "THIS IS BULLSHIT"
>saved by that same dude once again because he's "looking out for you"
>become the sole errand boy for the prince of fucking los angelos
>your first task from him is to board a police occupied ship to check on the sarcophagus of a possible methuselian
>hey invade a giovanni hq for me
>hey fuck up the entire sabbat hq and kill their elder tzimisce for me
>bloodhunt on you, good thing Jack is here again watching over you to save your ass
>you literally meet Caine
>kill the prince of LA while fighting off a small military force of swat and security
>kill an ancient nagloper that can turn into a fucking bat
>8th gen btw

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hmm yeah but in bloodlines 2 you can customize your face and clothing and so on. Although i know very little about game development, most character models have a set torso which would fit all clothing so they would not need reajustment. Which is why Kassandra in AC Odyssey shares the same torso with Alexios.

I'm retarded so someone break it down for me. Where's the stealth clan? I thought they were saying they went with clans that represented specific playstyles: Brujah is melee; Tremere is casting; Ventrue/Toreador are social; so what the hell is Malkavian then? They don't even have Obfuscate in this one. Is Thin-Blood the stealth specialist?

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smart creatures

oh my bad I wasn't aware we actually customize our face now
whats are the renders for the clans they've been putting out then, are they just examples of PCs or are they NPCs to rep the Clans?

With the game using pre-defined options for character features, they are easy enough to implement. And if the dialogues are going to be anything like the first game, it's only the introductory lines that are different while the rest plays out the same.
You don't need to use the sewers in the first game and mask of a thousand faces allow you to go around in public without breaking the masquerade, if devs wanted to implement it.
I don't see why not? I'm already a monster trying to fight his inner beast, why would I pick a clan that'll make me more likely to frenzy, or make me insane, or narrow down my menu, or make my kin not to trust me, or a gay faggot? Looks aren't that important anymore. I'm already a monster.

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those are just NPCs you meet in-game.
I've heard that there also might be some clan specific clothing too, mixed in with clothing everyone can get.

You're alright monkey man.

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the last clan should have been nosferatu or lasombra if they didn't want to give malkavians obfuscate. so stupid to not have a proper stealth clan.

I'm doing a Malk runthrough right now. I might do Nosferatu after a few month cool down. Maybe around Halloween.

Daily reminder Gary is pissed at Toreachads because they have what he used to. He's angry at their influence and beauty because it reminds him of his glory days. Poor Nosfags are doomed to deluding themselves they enjoy living in literal shit.

>74JcFO6Ur91-tr-ma-n75cmq.mp4
fucking plebbit moralfags

>You don't need to use the sewers in the first game and mask of a thousand faces allow you to go around in public without breaking the masquerade, if devs wanted to implement it.
You don't need to but that's quite literally one of the main drawing points. What the fuck is the draw of nossies if not to be outcasted to the point that being seen is problematic? Just because the first games jankiness allows you to walk in the middle of the road doesn't nullify intent and reasoning.

Cool thanks
I hope there's clan specific clothing though,, mostly just to see the goofy shit they have Malkavians wear this time.

>whats are the renders for the clans they've been putting out then, are they just examples of PCs or are they NPCs to rep the Clans?

we dont know but my assumption is that they are examples. A lot of people have been dumb and ignoring that they are not the definitive pc though

>attempts to sidestep the sire argument since he knows he lost
again, you can just admit you're retarded user.

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same here, user

I've replayed it almost every single year since release so yes
bretty good game bros

I never implied you would be forced. They said on stream it was your decision, and that you could delay your initiation if you want to. The scenario I am theorizing takes every sentiment they've presented into account even more critically than diablerie. Diablerie doesn't inherently imply you have to learn about a clan prior to joining it. Being embraced by a clan member would. It would be voluntary, just like joining any other faction in a rpg. I don't know why you would confuse this to be a forced scenario.
>if anything design wise it is worse than the original because you have to already know who you are going to do missions for just to get the clan you actually want.
You fail to explain how this is worse. This isn't worse, being forced to connect with a clan is exactly the thing they want to do. Doing a clan with zero foreknowledge is the exact thing they want to avoid. Knowing clan members is does not happen at random, user. You could make the same argument for any rpg with factions, like skyrim, in that you have to meet with the imperials and the stormcloaks before you can join either. I don't understand why this is system is so hard for you to visualize.
>with diablerie you do your intro missions and what not and after learning more about the setting you make a conscience decision as to what clan you are going to join where as the other option you are forced to join a clan because you did missions.
Yes, you are also forced to commit diablerie, which is not something that is hugely accepted socially. It literally taints your soul. It also makes zero sense for your player character. You may, as a player, understand the mechanical benefits or weaknesses of joining a clan, but you've failed to convince the player character that he or she should choose the madness of Malkav.
Again, with your last point, literally nothing in this system would be forced. A huge point of choosing your clan later is to prevent people from restarting playthroughd.

Tremere > Ventrue > Malk > Brujah > Toreador

tier for this game btw

there's no fucking chance that gangrel won't be in the game by the time that they release the season of the wolf expansion.
they said that they would make all clan DLC free. the fact that they've even said this means there will be multiple clans for DLC, this pretty much confirms gangrel and nos eventually, just not at launch.

swap ventrue with treme*e and you're correct, if only because of fortitude.

>sire argument
Eithet you don't know what a snowflake is or you're an ESL.

absolutelly agree.
if they return it better be more than nostalgia pandering and muh easter egg.

>implying comment chains don't exist
You're the one who brought up the VtMB sire senpai, not me.

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Keeping your mentality intact after an embrace is a deal breaker for a lot of people. All the other clans will change you mentally except for Nosferatu since they wear their curse on the outside. You also gain a lot of allies by joining the Nossies because they look after each other and pool resources.

Just don't tell the neonate about how they're all hunted until after the embrace.

Toreador > Tremere > Ventrue > Malkavian > Brujah

You mean

Now this is a list I can get behind

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>tfw I was originally adamant on not wanting any returning characters but now I'm desperately hoping for the second coming of LaCroix

Toreador males

youtube.com/watch?v=twqO63L3kpE

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>They want the person to make an informed choice about their gender.
Typical.

I'd lose my shit if he made some grandiose Machiavellian return with absolutely no one expecting it, but I really doubt it.

Nothing really ever ended in the guy's favor.

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bloodlines2.com/en/thinblood

Punished LaCroix would be so fun to bully.
What's he gonna do? Send Sheriff after y- oh wait

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lacroix is dead from all angles, there's no chance he lived in any ending.

Toreador are the weakest by far. In vydia presence is always going to be a weaker dominate

Can someone post the Malkavian reveal livestream?

Yea, this could make sense if the thinblood builds a relationship with the local Nosferatu. None of what you said would matter in a diablerie scenario. Joining a clan like Nosferatu or Malk only makes sense if you do it by associating with their clan and are embraced. Diablerie is too arbitrary and inconsequential for that reason.

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Based

They revealed literally zero new info other than Brian would want to do a DLC in a different era if possible.

So that's what a femChad looks like

I like to do as many quests in Santa Monica as I can before visiting Mercurio, just to be a passive-aggressive cunt to LaCroix

>implying that was really LaCroix
>implying he didn't have a body double or force one of the kuei jin to do their hocus pocus like they did to frame Nines
explains why "LaCroix" suddenly couldn't Dominate you at the end, did you ever think of THAT?

Does it hurt, Nosfag? Does it hurt?

I do the same in downtown. Do literally everything possible before I have to see his shitty baby face.

I thought he just used dominate to make you think you went through all that shit at the end but he actually opened the coffin, ate the dude and then became super buff.

Pic related.

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>yfw

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I get a big fat smile when I see people acting like fools though. It's genuinely good comedy.

Or that, maybe we'll get SWOLEcroix instead.

>no Nosferatu or Lasombra
At least I still have Ventrue. Still, I'm especially sad about Nos because this was a nice chance to make them more fun to play.

Confirmed. He gon b big, bad, 5th gen and mad.

I, Giorno Giovanni, have a dream...To become a GRAVEstar.

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(you)

NOSBROS

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youre ignoring the fact that people new to the series are just going to blindly do whatever missions are readily available and not seek out particular clans. imagine if you played skyrim but never played an elderscrolls game before and you could only play one faction line. you go into whatever city and you see fighters guild so go in and start doing quests for them. you go through then end up being a fighers guild figher not realizing you could have joined any other faction with completely different storylines and gameplay. you unknowingly wind up in a role and arent actually choosing.

the diablerie part no one is forcing you to pick your target. you are given a list of vampires who are sanctioned bloodhunt and rewarded with diablerie because thats how it works. you get to choose what you become without the possibility of limiting your choices because you are committed to X faction.

CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

THIS IS MY LAST RESORT

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Currently replaying Gangrel (since it's the one i played the least along with Brujah).
Just finished the Warrens. Brawl 4/Protean 4/Fortitude 3, damn, didn't thought it would be so easy!
Already have Charisma 10 so i guess i'll just distribute points evenly between stealth and defense stuff now.
No idea what clan to play next. Maybe a Camarilla Tremere, not sure.

At least Nos curse couldn't squash his handsomeness

WILL I SUCK A RAT TONIGHT

CHANCES ARE THAT I MIGHT

SEWER HOLE IS OUTTA SIGHT

AND I'M CONTEMPLATING SUICIDE

Based on today's stream it was obvious that Mitsoda wanted to work on a different clan than Malkavian but leddit crowd came at them with pitchforks, he said. The majority of Discord are Malkavian now.

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being a toreador sucks though. you dont have any really unique disciplines and you are not able to create artistically like you used. you become someone obsessed with beauty but incapable of ever creating it again.

as a nos you just look ugly. wow so hard. its only a curse if you let it where as toreador you cant control your obsession or bring that spark of creativity back.

Every single person plays all the games the exact same way. I'm a genius for realizing this!!

protean 5 and fortitude 5 (or even just one 5 and the other 4) will make you literally shirk final boss attacks while tearing them up. after that yeah just hit the dump stats.

Hope this guy is the villain he has a great voice

Did they add the malks to that reaction poll?

Is that actually canon? Does being a Toreador limit someone's creativity?

Toreador are the strongest if you use firearms.

>you unknowingly wind up in a role and arent actually choosing
I do agree that this is an issue with Skyrim, and I think your scenario is realistic, but I don't think the choice is between this and diablerie. Maybe Skyrim was a bad example because of this issue, but I believe it is possible to have faction allegiances in an rpg without accidentally railroading players into allegiance with them. That is not the rule of the system, Skyrim is just exceptionally bad at it's own world building. I think your scenario would be much less likely to happen, say, in a game like Fallout New Vegas. Your scenario is based on the idea that the game is just poorly designed, this issue isn't inherent in games with faction reputation. Delegating critical player decisions to brief, out of context menu decisions (which, in practice, is basically what diablerie would be, pick your clan without buildup etc) would technically fix this issue but only on the basis that the player has recieved information they did not previously have. If you are able to effectively convey to the player the nature of faction allegiances and secondary embrace (i.e. if you can build a proper game and convey mechanics to your player properly) then your idea of diablerie out of gameplay necessity becomes invalid. There are ways to eliminate the risk you present without resorting to a diablerie system, much of which is just building a good gameplay narrative.

What the literal fuck are you talking about? Presence and Celerity are one of the best combinations for melee in the first game. It's partly what made Brujahs so strong. Melee Torries are very good, they just won't ever be as good as Brujahs or Gangrel in melee.

No, it's being a walking dead thing that does that, but only a toreador would give a shit, considering how much they cared about it when they were alive

>imagine if you played skyrim but never played an elderscrolls game before and you could only play one faction line

This is such a non-argument it's barely even worth responding to. Skyrim even had a couple factions you couldn't join if you joined the opposite one and as long as you explain that you only get one choice before you make it then it's perfectly fine. I don't think I've ever seen a single person who was confused by this choice.

Obviously Bloodlines 2 aren't gonna hide all the joinable factions in different parts of the world for the player to find like skyrim does. You're most likely gonna interact with and get to know all of them early in the main story even before you get the option to join any of them.

Thaumaturgy made the combat too F U N in bloodlines. I can't bring myself to replay the game as another clan.

And it's increasing.

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That's the Antitribu mod and it doesn't just add Xenomorph corpses, it adds living Xenomorph enemies, helicopters that strafe you with M60 fire blaring Ride of the Valkyries, the Kurgan from Highlander, and a boss fight with Grout's wife.

No, really.

No, it's bullshit. In the tabletop you can put stats into creating different forms of art such as painting, sculpture, singing, playing an instrument, torture etc etc and it's not limited to Toreadors either.

In the video games on the other hand you don't create art. You're a mass murderer and a chatterbox.

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this is bad

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You're still the same person you were before being Embraced though.

So it was ment to be played with as a Malk?

lol

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This is your threadly reminder that Ventrue are the greatest clan and the only one worth playing.

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Why does reddit like Tremere and Malk?

>discord trannies are all tremere and malkavian

not surprising

Jesus. Did they join today or

The old sign was better.

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Glad to see even trannies hate Brujahniggers

What the fuck?
OK, thanks for the info user. I'll go play through CQM with a Malkavian.

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Even Prince of Discord changed to the Malk render

>pulls out a Glock
What the fuck

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No, not at all.
All of them are fun, really. Make sure to get Clan Quest to flesh out vanilla clans, you can try The Final Nights for other clans/bloodlines.
It's going to be glorious when they all expect a lmao so random Malk then get disappointed.
They added it soon after today's stream.

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The Tremere quest in CQM is about diablerizing Jeanette by going through her dementation and successfully getting out.

You aren't. You have similar qualities, but you're burdened by the Beast and your clan curse. A few reasons why Toreadors lose their creative spark is the fact that they're static beings who are locked into the moment of their Embrace. Vampires find it hard to grow and change. They usually only grow along lines that are favorable to their new state as undead predators.

Likewise, the Toreador curse will typically cause a Torrie to be locked in rapture as their art begins to take on an element of inspiration. They have trouble finishing the artwork they start. Torries can overcome these things, it's just hard and rare - and vampire artists tend to only get good at /copying/ aspects that humans make, rather than making anything new themselves.

A glock of all things? And NES music mixed with Left4Dead music? Who thought of these changes?

Putting an extra boss fight into the mod I can understand but the rest just seems silly and immersion-breaking.

I'm still gonna play it though. I've replayed the game 9 times since Clan Quest mod 4 got released and I don't want to stop.

>diablerizing Jeanette
You mean Therese

Is it like this in the tabletop. Does everyone pick Malk and act wacky

95% of the people who play tt games are autistic, user.

I told you, fags that Malks will be labelled as Rick&Morty among the kindred.

Have you tried The Final Nights? It's quite a refreshing experience over the base game while not going full retard like Antitribu. Well you can still interact with Max as a Salubri, so there's that.
It also uses some of Rik's unused tracks and they're pretty dope. The inspection system is reworked entirely, now items don't spawn at all if your inspection feat is low rather than missing highlight.
youtube.com/watch?v=Qzvwz5Fq54Q
I think they're RPing as batshit insane malks in that room now, I should leave that place at once.

I've only played the plus patch and Clan Quest Mod 4 but I want to play them all. If you recommend The Final Nights I'll try that one next and wait with the Antribu mod.

Salubri seems interesting too. I think I read somewhere that you can actually revive certain NPCs back from the dead.

Not exactly revive but you can use Obeah in dialogue to heal Heather, or Tin Can Bill to gain humanity at the cost of violating the masquerade. I honestly enjoyed it.

You can use obeah to heal people that you would otherwise have to get shit for (even heather) but I don't know if you can straight up revive anyone. they did use the malk pcs for the salubri though and made the male pc look a lot better.

What the hell is this?

A text LP of the Antitribu Mod.

What are you hoping to achieve by posting this in every vtmb thread user?

he's done it for two years now

No one likes you kikes

>tfw guaranteed to be in from the start due to awesome and unique blood magic

>tfw watching all the lesser clans shitpost each other to pieces fighting over the bottom spots

SASUGA LORD TREMERE-SAMA

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Literal pyramid scheme within a pyramid scheme within another pyramid scheme.

not anymore

t. discord tranny

Does anyone like Brujah?

>pyramid
>LORD TREMERE-SAMA
Heh

SHAI'HULUD

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No Nos or Gangrel no buy. day 1 pirate

Delete this...

My gang-bro.

Malktrannies

yes
whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Fishmalk

>Sawyer confiremed to be malkavian
Really makes you kek

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with the whole "do this faction to determine your clan" does railroad how you will play. in skyrim the factions that do make you pick a side only affect the outcome of a related story and dont have any impact on how you play the game. considering that clan havens will be a thing and that those havens will presumably be where you would do said faction quests some places will be more visited than others and those places will prevent people from seeing other options. With diablerie there is no question or misunderstanding what you are doing. you are out to kill a guy to steal his powers and those powers determine what you will be for the rest of the game.

Why would associate that dialogue with Sawyer? Sawyer, who has repeatedly gone on record saying he loathes RPG romances? (Which is retarded for another reason but let's stay on track here.)

This qt walks into you at Elysium and knocks her hood down. She quickly puts it back and looks at you with solemn eyes. What do you do?

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Stake the filthy soul drinker and drag her back to the chantr- I mean to the camarilla authorities.

Report to the regent and sheriff there's a soul-sucker walking among us.

I give that Whore of Babylon Final Death.

Head to the nearest Chantry and kill some Tremere motherfuckers.

ask her about golconda

You had better be careful what you say about the Tremere, kindred. You wouldn't want to get Schrekt, would you?

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Diablerie

gas you for making perhaps the gayest post on Yea Forums

>What do you do?
Offer her asylum if she submits to a blood bond.

Say that I loved her in early DBZ.

Poke forehead eye

Try to poke her third eye with my finger

Take her to meet my fellow Third Eye bros so we can pull an Anders and blow up chantries

Smile softly and nod my bony elongated Kiasyd head in a show of special snowflake solidarity

say that shit outside elysium and we'll see what's up faggot

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Help her out by MURDERFUCKING SOME TREMERE FUCKING SHITS

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mein negro

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Kiasyd would be so god damn cool to play

My kindred

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Arent there only eight Salubri left

I hope you dont change when the game comes out

It saddens me that you think this is inherent to faction design. I hope you eventually play better rpgs.

There's only 7 normal Golconda-seeking Salubri left. But then you have the antitribu in the Sabbat, the Nkulu Zao in Africa, and the Wu Zao in Asia.

Possibly? The Wu Zao are still a thing. Also, one of the original 8 got tired of Cammy bullshit and mass embraced a ton of new Salubri who are all reborn warrior caste.